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legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 08:28 PM
i know a lot of people have been criticizing the play calling of kubs and the offensive line and the lack of the running game.

to throw some things in the mix, what do you guys think if the texans ran a split running back formation in which both foster and tate were in the backfield? using this, we can utilize both running backs. also, the backs can swing to either side and be used as receivers. having both backs also gives an option for more pass protection.

i know we use the single back formation and that makes the play action more effective but having more plays in the playbook, especially when our offense becomes more predictable, would be a great asset in my opinion.

of course i wouldn't run something like this at this time of year.

amazing80
01-03-2013, 09:05 PM
i know a lot of people have been criticizing the play calling of kubs and the offensive line and the lack of the running game.

to throw some things in the mix, what do you guys think if the texans ran a split running back formation in which both foster and tate were in the backfield? using this, we can utilize both running backs. also, the backs can swing to either side and be used as receivers. having both backs also gives an option for more pass protection.

i know we use the single back formation and that makes the play action more effective but having more plays in the playbook, especially when our offense becomes more predictable, would be a great asset in my opinion.

of course i wouldn't run something like this at this time of year.

To be honest I wondered why we never tried running the wild cat a bit with Casey, Foster and Tate...that would be deadly IMO

Other then that, I don't think Schaub has the moxy to do anything like this or even manage a split back formation....

powda
01-03-2013, 09:18 PM
The problem with a foster/tate backfield is casey is a far better blocker and receiver then tate. Are you willing to take him out on a pass play when our ol sucks?

I'd actually like to see it to under the right circumstances because it puts one of our more explosive players on the field (taterr.)

However, in a split back set the backs are way closer to the line of scrimmage. You might of noticed foster lines up DEEP. This seems to be intentional as it gives the back more time to wait on blocks and pick the cut. I dont know if thats accurate or just an assumption on my part, but the last time I saw a back line up as deep as foster it was jamal lewis.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 09:36 PM
The problem with a foster/tate backfield is casey is a far better blocker and receiver then tate. Are you willing to take him out on a pass play when our ol sucks?

I'd actually like to see it to under the right circumstances because it puts one of our more explosive players on the field (taterr.)

However, in a split back set the backs are way closer to the line of scrimmage. You might of noticed foster lines up DEEP. This seems to be intentional as it gives the back more time to wait on blocks and pick the cut. I dont know if thats accurate or just an assumption on my part, but the last time I saw a back line up as deep as foster it was jamal lewis.

there are worst offensive lines than ours. a sweep to either right or left with the open running back blocking would be a cool play too.

even with our off line, a screen to either right or left would also be good. in the grand scheme of things, i think a double back adds more diversity and a diff look to our texans...especially when we have very good backs in tate and foster.

wildcat imo needs to have at least the Fb or rb being able to throw.

powda
01-03-2013, 09:43 PM
i think a double back adds more diversity and a diff look to our texans...

What we're doing right now isn't working and i'm more then agreeable to some diversity. I just wonder if theres another kubiak philosophy in this he will stubbornly refuse to bend.

With casey we should have mixed in a few wildcat attempts by now. I guess "kubes" is scarred by the Chris Brown toss.

Lucky
01-03-2013, 09:49 PM
It's the classic WCO formation but you rarely see it deployed anymore. I think Foster could be outstanding out of the split back, but not sure if Tate is a good fit.

TheIronDuke
01-03-2013, 09:54 PM
there are worst offensive lines than ours. a sweep to either right or left with the open running back blocking would be a cool play too.

even with our off line, a screen to either right or left would also be good. in the grand scheme of things, i think a double back adds more diversity and a diff look to our texans...especially when we have very good backs in tate and foster.

wildcat imo needs to have at least the Fb or rb being able to throw.

Casey can throw, was probably going to be the QB for Rice if he didn't enter the draft, at least he said that in an interview I heard.

I'd love to see Foster and Tate on the field together, at least to show something different.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 09:58 PM
It's the classic WCO formation but you rarely see it deployed anymore. I think Foster could be outstanding out of the split back, but not sure if Tate is a good fit.

we've seen some really stagnant play calling as of late. split back formation would really throw something else in the mix for both running and throwing. it's a proven formation and still used.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 10:00 PM
Casey can throw, was probably going to be the QB for Rice if he didn't enter the draft, at least he said that in an interview I heard.

I'd love to see Foster and Tate on the field together, at least to show something different.

i didn't know casey could throw. would be cool to also do some flea flicker plays as well.

pissknocker
01-03-2013, 11:39 PM
Thor throwing a bomb in pregame warmups last Sunday


http://twitter.yfrog.com/136rrkphsrmhrarpayekquviz

Vinny
01-03-2013, 11:43 PM
It's the classic WCO formation but you rarely see it deployed anymore. I think Foster could be outstanding out of the split back, but not sure if Tate is a good fit.
Tate isn't a good blocker. If you are not carrying the ball and you aren't the QB, you better be able to block in a split back (at least once you leave boola-boola ball).

legacy_gt
01-04-2013, 12:30 AM
Thor throwing a bomb in pregame warmups last Sunday


http://twitter.yfrog.com/136rrkphsrmhrarpayekquviz

whoa, flea flicker, wildcat, kubiak should have used casey more.

Big Lou
01-04-2013, 12:33 AM
Where have the screens gone? I've only seen a handful the last several weeks. Call a screen or two get the DL out of the backfield for crap sake!!!!!!

legacy_gt
01-04-2013, 12:35 AM
Where have the screens gone? I've only seen a handful the last several weeks. Call a screen or two get the DL out of the backfield for crap sake!!!!!!

kubiak is saving it for some playoff runs.

powda
01-04-2013, 12:51 AM
kubiak is saving it for some playoff runs.

You mean along with the top secret "false start" plays designed to keep defenses over confident?

BullNation4Life
01-04-2013, 12:52 AM
to answer the OP question, it will never happen because Gary Kubiak is not creative with his play calling, or at least creative enough...

Kubiak has a "by the book" old coaching mentality that has very little room for creativity...

legacy_gt
01-04-2013, 02:15 AM
to answer the OP question, it will never happen because Gary Kubiak is not creative with his play calling, or at least creative enough...

Kubiak has a "by the book" old coaching mentality that has very little room for creativity...

at this stage in the game, you wouldn't want anything like this to be played. but formations like the split back, wildcat with casey, flea flickers, and more reverse plays would be nice. i personally feel that the overall problem with kubs is his adjustments (or lacktherof).

ObsiWan
01-04-2013, 07:26 AM
Last time we went "off script" was that Chris Brown halfback pass.
Umm.... no more of that thank you.

PapaL
01-04-2013, 07:48 AM
Last time we went "off script" was that Chris Brown halfback pass.
Umm.... no more of that thank you.

2 day ban for the OP.
1 day ban for you bringing that up.
Just when I had forgotten about it.
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legacy_gt
01-04-2013, 10:03 AM
Last time we went "off script" was that Chris Brown halfback pass.
Umm.... no more of that thank you.

the point is to make something like a split back formation "on script," something that would be used always in their playbook. texans try and make the formation the same looking and to fool other teams.

i'm getting sick of teams stacking the box and stopping our run, which shuts down our play action and makes schaub try to beat the other team.

michaelm
01-04-2013, 11:00 AM
I'd rather see them predominantly in a three WR set, single back and throw to set up the run.
The outcome of this game is largely on Matt Schaub, and despite the fact that I am really down on him at the moment, I know he still has the potential to light it up when he gets hot.

I want to see AJ on the field with Posey at WR2 and Kmart in the slot. There needs to be some more explosiveness on the field, IMO. I also want to see Schaub throw some quick slants to these young guys, and let them try to make plays.

I also want to see more of Justin Forsett. The guy seems to get six yards every time he touches the ball, and he brings a different skill set to the table versus both Foster and Tate. Speaking of Tate, I'd like to see him get more carries as well. Foster seems to lack his former explosiveness recently, and Tate runs like his job is on the line at all times.