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legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 06:15 PM
sorry if this has been posted already...but i really like case keenum and this article is good. remember yates was on the practice squad too.

Case, "I'm blessed to be where I'm at, obviously," he said. "But content? No. I won't be content to be a backup. I won't be content just being a starter. I won't be content with just playing. I want to be a big part of the team, and I want to contribute and win games and win championships."

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2012/dec/29/keenum-making-most-of-opportunities-on-texans/

Dutchrudder
01-03-2013, 06:16 PM
sorry if this has been posted already...but i really like case keenum and this article is good. remember yates was on the practice squad too.

Yates was never on the practice squad.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 06:18 PM
Yates was never on the practice squad.

ok, the article said he was.

76Texan
01-03-2013, 06:34 PM
Thanks for the link.
It's good to know that he's hungry and he sets his sight high.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 07:02 PM
Thanks for the link.
It's good to know that he's hungry and he sets his sight high.

agreed.

coon
01-03-2013, 07:24 PM
Yates was never on the practice squad.

Yates was on the practice Squad until Matt Schaub was hurt. Remember, Owen Daniels was designated as our third Qb that week against Tampa Bay.

DX-TEX
01-03-2013, 07:28 PM
Yates was on the practice Squad until Matt Schaub was hurt. Remember, Owen Daniels was designated as our third Qb that week against Tampa Bay.

He was inactive but not on the PS. He would have been snagged if he was and the Texans feared that.

As for Case, sorry redbloods but Case will never amount to anything in the NFL. Just another NCAA QB from a spread offense who has no chance as an NFL QB.

rmartin65
01-03-2013, 07:29 PM
Yates was on the practice Squad until Matt Schaub was hurt. Remember, Owen Daniels was designated as our third Qb that week against Tampa Bay.

Nope. He was inactive, not on the PS.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 07:29 PM
He was inactive but not on the PS. He would have been snagged if he was and the Texans feared that.

As for Case, sorry redbloods but Case will never amount to anything in the NFL. Just another NCAA QB from a spread offense who has no chance as an NFL QB.

never amount to anything? i think that's extreme. the texans signed him for a reason.

ChampionTexan
01-03-2013, 07:31 PM
Yates was on the practice Squad until Matt Schaub was hurt. Remember, Owen Daniels was designated as our third Qb that week against Tampa Bay.

He was on the 53 man roster, but never active prior to the Jacksonville game. OD wasn't designated as the third QB against Tampa (the third QB designation actually ended after the '10 season), but because Yates was inactive, OD would have had to be the guy to play if a third QB was needed.

ChampionTexan
01-03-2013, 07:36 PM
never amount to anything? i think that's extreme. the texans signed him for a reason.

Well, I'm not necessarily agreeing with D-T, but the Texans have signed lots of guys to the Training Camp roster and Practice Squad who never amounted to anything. They signed everyone for a reason - sometimes that reason is "warm practice body needed".

Again, hopefully Case will succeed, and there's some moderately positive comments coming out of the Texans offices regarding him, but it's far from a probability at this point.

76Texan
01-03-2013, 07:50 PM
Well, I'm not necessarily agreeing with D-T, but the Texans have signed lots of guys to the Training Camp roster and Practice Squad who never amounted to anything. They signed everyone for a reason - sometimes that reason is "warm practice body needed".

Again, hopefully Case will succeed, and there's some moderately positive comments coming out of the Texans offices regarding him, but it's far from a probability at this point.

Y'all forget about me already?

Signed
Texans for TD.

EllisUnit
01-03-2013, 08:08 PM
When talking about Matt Schaub he said

"They're always there to talk through stuff," Keenum said, "and just watching them and the decisions they make on and off the field is big."

I hope he isnt watching the decesions he makes on the field to closely :bubbles:

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 08:38 PM
Well, I'm not necessarily agreeing with D-T, but the Texans have signed lots of guys to the Training Camp roster and Practice Squad who never amounted to anything. They signed everyone for a reason - sometimes that reason is "warm practice body needed".

Again, hopefully Case will succeed, and there's some moderately positive comments coming out of the Texans offices regarding him, but it's far from a probability at this point.

when it all comes down, we have yet to see case in a full season game. until then, you really can't make any assessment at this time. i don't think case got enough snaps in preseason.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 09:02 PM
When talking about Matt Schaub he said

"They're always there to talk through stuff," Keenum said, "and just watching them and the decisions they make on and off the field is big."

I hope he isnt watching the decesions he makes on the field to closely :bubbles:

right?

PapaL
01-03-2013, 09:25 PM
You'll quickly realize there are 3 factions when it comes to Keenum:

The homers
The haters
The don't care

Homers and Haters fight while the don't care wish they would both shut up.

EllisUnit
01-03-2013, 09:32 PM
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DX-TEX
01-03-2013, 09:39 PM
never amount to anything? i think that's extreme. the texans signed him for a reason.

Yeah, public relations. He will NEVER be a pro QB.

Unless the great and powerful Kubiak saw something that the 31 others teams passed on. If he had ANY chance at all someone would have used a 7th round pick on him as a project.

kiwitexansfan
01-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Yeah, public relations. He will NEVER be a pro QB.

Unless the great and powerful Kubiak saw something that the 31 others teams passed on. If he had ANY chance at all someone would have used a 7th round pick on him as a project.

Signed Arian Foster and countless other UDFa starting in the NFL.

GuerillaBlack
01-03-2013, 09:49 PM
Yeah, public relations. He will NEVER be a pro QB.

Unless the great and powerful Kubiak saw something that the 31 others teams passed on. If he had ANY chance at all someone would have used a 7th round pick on him as a project.

Not the best reasoning to use.

Vinny
01-03-2013, 09:58 PM
never amount to anything? i think that's extreme. the texans signed him for a reason.
good scout team qb to have around. (long and short of it)

Nobody grooms those guys to take over. When one of those scenario's happen it's the exception, not the rule.

DX-TEX
01-03-2013, 10:02 PM
Not the best reasoning to use.

Ok....32 teams passed on him for 7 rounds.

Better? I just hate the talk of the redbloods, it is as bad as the orange bloods trying to stuff VY down our throats.

GP
01-03-2013, 10:04 PM
Yeah, public relations. He will NEVER be a pro QB.

Unless the great and powerful Kubiak saw something that the 31 others teams passed on. If he had ANY chance at all someone would have used a 7th round pick on him as a project.

At this point, maybe Kubiak doesn't really have an unbiased and objective ability to determine which QB should be starting right now?

Other coaches decided to roll the dice on unproven QBs, at the expense of what should have been a more "logical" choice. Those two teams are not exactly floundering like we are right now.

Just sayin'...

Grungo_Taco
01-03-2013, 10:23 PM
At this point, maybe Kubiak doesn't really have an unbiased and objective ability to determine which QB should be starting right now?

Other coaches decided to roll the dice on unproven QBs, at the expense of what should have been a more "logical" choice. Those two teams are not exactly floundering like we are right now.

Just sayin'...

In all fairness... We do NOT have a Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick on our roster.

Honoring Earl 34
01-03-2013, 10:45 PM
Keenum can be the the cutoff man for Schaub's deep ball . :boogereater:

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 11:22 PM
Yeah, public relations. He will NEVER be a pro QB.

Unless the great and powerful Kubiak saw something that the 31 others teams passed on. If he had ANY chance at all someone would have used a 7th round pick on him as a project.

it's not only kubiak that saw something. there are lots of pro qb's that have played in the nfl that i can see doing worse than keenum that were drafted high (russell, leaf, etc).

we could go on but bottom line is you can't say he won't be successful until he plays. and for the record, keenum is a pro player. he plays on the practice squad and holds a clipboard earning money from the texans even if he hasn't played in a season game. :-)

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 11:23 PM
Keenum can be the the cutoff man for Schaub's deep ball . :boogereater:

lol sounds good. maybe he can play for the stros too. i think they'll need it.

legacy_gt
01-03-2013, 11:25 PM
Ok....32 teams passed on him for 7 rounds.

Better? I just hate the talk of the redbloods, it is as bad as the orange bloods trying to stuff VY down our throats.

the point of the thread was to link an article about one of our 4 qb's. i wasn't trying to stuff keenum down your throat.

Thorn
01-04-2013, 01:08 AM
We all sometimes pick lower deck players that catch our eye for some reason or another, and want them to rise to the top. It's human nature. Most of the time those undrafted players dont work out, but once in a while you find a diamond in the coal dust.

No one knows if Case Keenum will work out just yet, but that sure as hell doesn't keep me from rooting for the guy.

Showtime100
01-04-2013, 01:41 AM
Keenum can be the the cutoff man for Schaub's deep ball . :boogereater:

I'm glad I wasn't sipping my Dr. Pepper when I read that. :D

ObsiWan
01-04-2013, 06:17 AM
At this point, maybe Kubiak doesn't really have an unbiased and objective ability to determine which QB should be starting right now?

Other coaches decided to roll the dice on unproven QBs, at the expense of what should have been a more "logical" choice. Those two teams are not exactly floundering like we are right now.

Just sayin'...

Apples and oranges.
One of those "other coaches" went with his hand picked guy, Kaepernick, over the guy he inherited, Alex Smith. In fact, Harbaugh gave up two additional picks so he could trade up (from the 13th to the 4th spot) in the second round just to make sure he got Kaepernick. When Smith went down with that concusssion, Harbaugh took that as an opportunity to see what the young man could do. A one-game (maybe two depending on how soon Smith recovered) audition, if you will. He liked what he saw and decided to stay with his guy.

In the other case, Russell Wilson just flat beat out Matt Flynn and Tarvaris Jackson in training camp and preseason to EARN the job. There was no dice rolling; Wilson outperformed the other two guys. Jackson has been in the league a number of years and, while steady, he's not a franchise QB. Matt Flynn cashed in on a couple of stat-happy games when he was piloting Air-Packers (he was 1-1 in those two games). He hadn't really done anything past that. Wilson was a winner at both NC State and Wisconsin and now in the NFL.

Having said all that, it's time for Smithiak to bring in some serious competition for Schaub. No more reclamation projects like Grossman or Matty HotTub. No more camp arms like Yates and John Beck. No more long shots like Case Keenum - and I root for underdogs so I kinda hope he makes it but he's still a long shot.
Spend a first day pick (rounds 1-3) on a quality guy who can be Schaub's successor.

GuerillaBlack
01-04-2013, 02:41 PM
Apples and oranges.
One of those "other coaches" went with his hand picked guy, Kaepernick, over the guy he inherited, Alex Smith. In fact, Harbaugh gave up two additional picks so he could trade up (from the 13th to the 4th spot) in the second round just to make sure he got Kaepernick. When Smith went down with that concusssion, Harbaugh took that as an opportunity to see what the young man could do. A one-game (maybe two depending on how soon Smith recovered) audition, if you will. He liked what he saw and decided to stay with his guy.

In the other case, Russell Wilson just flat beat out Matt Flynn and Tarvaris Jackson in training camp and preseason to EARN the job. There was no dice rolling; Wilson outperformed the other two guys. Jackson has been in the league a number of years and, while steady, he's not a franchise QB. Matt Flynn cashed in on a couple of stat-happy games when he was piloting Air-Packers (he was 1-1 in those two games). He hadn't really done anything past that. Wilson was a winner at both NC State and Wisconsin and now in the NFL.

Having said all that, it's time for Smithiak to bring in some serious competition for Schaub. No more reclamation projects like Grossman or Matty HotTub. No more camp arms like Yates and John Beck. No more long shots like Case Keenum - and I root for underdogs so I kinda hope he makes it but he's still a long shot.
Spend a first day pick (rounds 1-3) on a quality guy who can be Schaub's successor.

I don't think anyone can disagree with this. Even the top Schaub supporters.

76Texan
01-04-2013, 03:06 PM
Ok....32 teams passed on him for 7 rounds.

Better? I just hate the talk of the redbloods, it is as bad as the orange bloods trying to stuff VY down our throats.

OK, so Brady was the 199th player drafted when there was only 31 teams; how many teams passed him up, how many times?

Brady measured in at 211 at the combine as compared to Keenum 208.
His 40 time of 5.28 and high jump of 24.5 (and whatever his long jump was) make Keenum looks like one of the Athens God.

The comparison to VY is simply ridiculous, sorry to say.
You went to the games at Reliant back then and you saw how many VY shirts in the stand? And he was not even a Texans player. How many Keenum shirts have you seen this far?

thunderkyss
01-04-2013, 03:06 PM
Ok....32 teams passed on him for 7 rounds.

Better? I just hate the talk of the redbloods, it is as bad as the orange bloods trying to stuff VY down our throats.

I don't know if it's just the homers on Case's case. This league is going more & more towards the passing game & it would make sense that guys like Case would have success now as opposed to just 5 years ago.

& being that Case came from a winning Div-I program only helps. I don't know that Case would/could succeed at this level. I'd love to see what Case would look like in this system, with the talent we've got around him.

I'm not one of the anybody but Schaub guys.... I'm just saying.

76Texan
01-04-2013, 03:29 PM
Now there seems to be, still, some who talks about Keenum as a spread QB; I just want to make sure that the basics are covered (Papal, you don't need to read further if you don't want to - We've been through this before.)

Keenum came to UH under Art Briles and he split time at starter right away.

Then Briles got an offer to coach at Baylor where he brought his new recruit RG III with him.

RG III ran an option read spread at Baylor under Briles; something Briles added on to his scheme to make use of the athleticism of Griffin.

Now back to Keenum under Briles.
The Cougars were actually much closer to a Pro Offense than the Bears with RG III.

Keenum was under center a whole lot more than you can find RGIII at Baylor.

After Briles left, the Cougars eventually phased out the TE and became more of a spread (like Baylor with Griffin or Okl St. with Brandon Weeden at QB.)

There have been plenty of QBs from college spread systems that were drafted high into the NFL.

In fact, Geno Smith from W. Virginia is another spread QB that might get drafted very high in the upcoming draft.

Also, Keenum was under center a whole whole more than Cam Newton.

So please scratch that system label from your book.

Thank you :)

thunderkyss
01-04-2013, 03:48 PM
So please scratch that system label from your book.

Thank you :)

We don't run the spread. Matt Schaub is a system QB.

Just because I call Keenum a system QB doesn't mean I think of him as a spread QB.


& I'm sorry you've got this thing going where you think everyone should agree with you. You should just go ahead & get used to being disappointed.

CloakNNNdagger
01-04-2013, 03:56 PM
I don't know if it's just the homers on Case's case. This league is going more & more towards the passing game & it would make sense that guys like Case would have success now as opposed to just 5 years ago.

& being that Case came from a winning Div-I program only helps. I don't know that Case would/could succeed at this level. I'd love to see what Case would look like in this system, with the talent we've got around him.

I'm not one of the anybody but Schaub guys.... I'm just saying.

Now there seems to be, still, some who talks about Keenum as a spread QB; I just want to make sure that the basics are covered (Papal, you don't need to read further if you don't want to - We've been through this before.)

Keenum came to UH under Art Briles and he split time at starter right away.

Then Briles got an offer to coach at Baylor where he brought his new recruit RG III with him.

RG III ran an option read spread at Baylor under Briles; something Briles added on to his scheme to make use of the athleticism of Griffin.

Now back to Keenum under Briles.
The Cougars were actually much closer to a Pro Offense than the Bears with RG III.

Keenum was under center a whole lot more than you can find RGIII at Baylor.

After Briles left, the Cougars eventually phased out the TE and became more of a spread (like Baylor with Griffin or Okl St. with Brandon Weeden at QB.)

There have been plenty of QBs from college spread systems that were drafted high into the NFL.

In fact, Geno Smith from W. Virginia is another spread QB that might get drafted very high in the upcoming draft.

Also, Keenum was under center a whole whole more than Cam Newton.

So please scratch that system label from your book.

Thank you :)


Having watched Keenum over the years, your posts well summarize why I also believe Keenum given the chance could flourish in this system.

CloakNNNdagger
01-07-2013, 08:08 AM
After watching Seattle all year long, I don't want to hear anymore comments about how Keenum is too short to be successful in the NFL today.

Russel Wilson

Height: 5-11 Weight: 206

Experience: Rookie

TDS/26 INT/10 YDS/3,118 RTG/100.0

GP
01-07-2013, 08:38 AM
After watching Seattle all year long, I don't want to hear anymore comments about how Keenum is too short to be successful in the NFL today.

Russel Wilson

Height: 5-11 Weight: 206

Experience: Rookie

TDS/26 INT/10 YDS/3,118 RTG/100.0

AND....

He was selected with the 12th pick of the 3rd round.

So, apparently 31 other teams out there had two rounds to draft this QB and they didn't.

But that's only the beginning of this thing.

Pete Carrol had to decide to start Wilson over Flynn, even though Flynn had been paid to be the defacto starter well before the draft occurred.

This is how a front office and a head coach don't let numbers dictate what players hit the field. They had a hunch, they acted on it, and it paid off.

This is not to say that Case Keenum or TJ Yates is a Russell Wilson that the Texans won't let happen...but it does make you wonder why this team isn't shaking the draft tree every year for that QB who can give you more than what your current starter has.

Instead, the token late round QB or UDFA QB is just symbolic. Clipboard holder. A guy who you think would manage a game if he had to enter due to an injury to the starter. I can't imagine why any team would want Matt Leinart, either. Again: Clipboard holder, suitable manager.

There's this mentality in the NFL that you get a starter and you have clipboard QBs who really shouldn't do much more than just maintain and sustain. Why is that? There's a glorification of the NFL QB that I think needs to be put out to pasture and retired. Teams need dynamic production at the QB position.

Hervoyel
01-07-2013, 09:04 AM
He was inactive but not on the PS. He would have been snagged if he was and the Texans feared that.

As for Case, sorry redbloods but Case will never amount to anything in the NFL. Just another NCAA QB from a spread offense who has no chance as an NFL QB.

Hope you're wrong about that. Nothing is certain yet where Keenum is concerned. I think he either lights things up in camp next year or he's done here. That's about the extent of the rope Kubiak gives these guys.

Well, I'm not necessarily agreeing with D-T, but the Texans have signed lots of guys to the Training Camp roster and Practice Squad who never amounted to anything. They signed everyone for a reason - sometimes that reason is "warm practice body needed".

Again, hopefully Case will succeed, and there's some moderately positive comments coming out of the Texans offices regarding him, but it's far from a probability at this point.

I think Case Keenum is just Gary's latest project. He's hoping to find that diamond at the bottom of the Cracker Jack box and always has another UDFA or reclamation project going on.

Keenum is getting the same chance they all get. What he does with it will depend on what's between his ears and what kind of competitor he is.

Hervoyel
01-07-2013, 09:11 AM
Yeah, public relations. He will NEVER be a pro QB.

Unless the great and powerful Kubiak saw something that the 31 others teams passed on. If he had ANY chance at all someone would have used a 7th round pick on him as a project.

Not the best reasoning to use.

I dunno, if you think about it that's the exact same reason why Arian Foster will never succeed as a RB in the NFL...... :fingergun:

legacy_gt
10-19-2013, 01:10 AM
He was inactive but not on the PS. He would have been snagged if he was and the Texans feared that.

As for Case, sorry redbloods but Case will never amount to anything in the NFL. Just another NCAA QB from a spread offense who has no chance as an NFL QB.

yeah old thread, but it was still early this 2013 year. Pretty interesting to see the fan views back then.

I knew one day keenum would get his chance. weather he does well or not remains a mystery this sunday but he's not just any NCAA QB from a spread offense. He's our QB this Sunday that a lot of us are rooting for.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 01:14 AM
yeah old thread, but it was still early this 2013 year. Pretty interesting to see the fan views back then.

I knew one day keenum would get his chance. weather he does well or not remains a mystery this sunday but he's not just any NCAA QB from a spread offense. He's our QB this Sunday that a lot of us are rooting for.

I think it would have had more sting if you waited until Case was entrenched as the starter.

michaelm
10-19-2013, 01:36 AM
the point of the thread was to link an article about one of our 4 qb's. i wasn't trying to stuff keenum down your throat.


So, apparently the bolded was not true, then...

:kitten:

Dishman
10-19-2013, 07:13 AM
yeah old thread, but it was still early this 2013 year. Pretty interesting to see the fan views back then.

I knew one day keenum would get his chance. weather he does well or not remains a mystery this sunday but he's not just any NCAA QB from a spread offense. He's our QB this Sunday that a lot of us are rooting for.

Nice, yeah, the posts on page 2 were pretty interesting. NFL history is littered with highly drafted busts at QB so I'm not sure why some folks are so adamant on Keenum's draft status. Sure, where someone is drafted is typically an indicator of their potential, but it's just potential and nothing more. What any one players does after they are picked up by a squad is unwritten.

TejasTom
10-19-2013, 07:26 AM
When talking about Matt Schaub he said

"They're always there to talk through stuff," Keenum said, "and just watching them and the decisions they make on and off the field is big."

I hope he isnt watching the decesions he makes on the field to closely :bubbles:

You can watch someone hit their thumb with a hammer and know you don't want to do it.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 12:22 PM
There's this mentality in the NFL that you get a starter and you have clipboard QBs who really shouldn't do much more than just maintain and sustain. Why is that? There's a glorification of the NFL QB that I think needs to be put out to pasture and retired. Teams need dynamic production at the QB position.

I know this is an old post & I haven't seen GP around lately, but what he's speaking of here I think is more on the QB, not the coach. The coach wants everyone on his team to want to get better, to want to win a championship, to want to be the starter.

It's my opinion that Tj has gotten comfortable being a back-up, & while he says he wants to be a starter, he had two opportunities to make his case & he failed miserably.

I hope Case acts like he wants to be the starter & he backs it up with his play. Starting @home week 9 isn't his & shouldn't be taken for granted. If I were the coach, that's the way I want it. I want him to prove to me he deserves the start in week 9. As good a QB I think Matt Schaub is right now all that means is don't turn the ball over.

I expect Case to take a few licks Sunday. If he fumbles the ball (whether in the pocket, rolling out of the pocket, or going for the Rosencopter) it's over. I know Schaub will not drop the ball when sacked. If he tosses the ball in very bad situations, if he gets rid of the ball because he's scared, it's over. Matt's only tossed it up once that I know of because he was scared.

Kubiak can win games with a QB who takes care of the ball.

Lord Bills
10-19-2013, 06:13 PM
He was inactive but not on the PS. He would have been snagged if he was and the Texans feared that.

As for Case, sorry redbloods but Case will never amount to anything in the NFL. Just another NCAA QB from a spread offense who has no chance as an NFL QB.

sig worthy. thread subscribed.

DX-TEX
10-19-2013, 07:04 PM
sig worthy. thread subscribed.

WHy is it sig worthy? He hasn't started his first game...lets be cautious here and wait and see....

Vance87
10-19-2013, 07:12 PM
I expect Case to take a few licks Sunday. If he fumbles the ball (whether in the pocket, rolling out of the pocket, or going for the Rosencopter) it's over. I know Schaub will not drop the ball when sacked.

No, Matt would much rather fumble the ball by himself when there's no one around him (see Patriots playoff game)

PapaL
10-19-2013, 07:16 PM
I think it's time for a one stop "All Encompassing Keenum" thread. Mods could you help a brother out and merge all these?!?

Nitrofish
10-19-2013, 07:49 PM
I think it's time for a one stop "All Emcompassing Keenum" thread. Mods could you help a brother out and merge all these?!?

I second that motion.:boogereater:

Hervoyel
10-19-2013, 07:53 PM
I think it's time for a one stop "All Emcompassing Keenum" thread. Mods could you help a brother out and merge all these?!?


Agreed and I'm a Keenum "homer". It's just all over the place and whether you want to avoid it, debunk it, debate it, or drown in it makes no difference. Going from thread to thread to find posts about the same subject gets old.

Lets pull all this mess together please. Please?

Rey
10-19-2013, 08:08 PM
Agreed and I'm a Keenum "homer". It's just all over the place and whether you want to avoid it, debunk it, debate it, or drown in it makes no difference. Going from thread to thread to find posts about the same subject gets old.

Lets pull all this mess togetherinking about this please. Please?

Agreed. Was thinking about this yesterday.

Thorn
10-19-2013, 09:24 PM
An all encompassing Keenum thread would be about a 1000 pages long! :lol:

Well fellow Texan fans, we'll be finding out soon enough all about Mr. Case Keenum.

infantrycak
10-19-2013, 10:02 PM
Ask and you shall receive (sometimes).

I'll leave the others that are already well developed but hopefully this will kill off a little of the redundancy.

Poor TJ - he never got redundant enough to merit an all encompassing thread.

badboy
10-19-2013, 10:10 PM
Hope is just a fine thing. Hope realized is even sweeter.

PapaL
10-19-2013, 11:07 PM
Ask and you shall receive (sometimes).

I'll leave the others that are already well developed but hopefully this will kill off a little of the redundancy.

Poor TJ - he never got redundant enough to merit an all encompassing thread.

Much obliged.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 11:24 PM
Would it be too much if I started a thread stating that we're 40 minutes away from being able to start a thread about the first game Case is going to start in?

Brandon420tx
10-20-2013, 02:12 AM
I think all encompassing threads are bad luck

waynegg
10-20-2013, 04:20 AM
Keenum can be the the cutoff man for Schaub's deep ball . :boogereater:

He's on the wrong team to do that...

maddogmrb
10-20-2013, 11:14 AM
I am a big Case Keenum fan and I expect him to do at least really good things in the NFL .... eventually!!

What I see on this board is the Keenum fans are a little over the top with their appreciation for him and his detractors are basically saying ..."Okay Keenum fanboys, let's see him destroy the Chiefs Sunday or he is no good!" Both sides do not have realistic expectations.

It would be hard for ANY team with ANY NFL QB to go into KC this weekend and destroy them and that includes all the top teams and QB's. So, to put such expectations on CK with a mediocre 2-4 team and suspect coaching on him is unfair and unrealistic.

Some have stated their expectations of him to be 'mistake free'. Even the BEST QB's in the league are not 'mistake free' and add to that the pressure cooker of this game in KC. Another unrealistic expectation.

I believe our expectations should be that he competently operates the QB position and gains confidence as the game goes on. I expect him to make more than one mistake. An interception or 2 is highly possible. However, I also expect him to make some plays that we're not used to seeing from our QB's. I expect, as his comfort level grows, that he will improve in his pocket presence and ability to look down field and read the defense. I expect him to go outside Gary's box when plays break down and sometimes create something good from it instead of creating a turnover or loss. If he gets thru this pressure packed game as I've described against the undefeated Chiefs on their noisy home field with our mediocre team and mediocre coaching then the upside for him will be great moving forward.

Expecting him to 'lead' us to victory is unrealistic, but possible knowing him. However, the people who SHOULD be leading this team to victory this week are Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, Chris Myers, JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, Ed Reed, Jonathon Joseph, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips with Keenum being competent enough to operate the offense and not throw the game away.

drs23
10-20-2013, 11:26 AM
I am a big Case Keenum fan and I expect him to do at least really good things in the NFL .... eventually!!

What I see on this board is the Keenum fans are a little over the top with their appreciation for him and his detractors are basically saying ..."Okay Keenum fanboys, let's see him destroy the Chiefs Sunday or he is no good!" Both sides do not have realistic expectations.

It would be hard for ANY team with ANY NFL QB to go into KC this weekend and destroy them and that includes all the top teams and QB's. So, to put such expectations on CK with a mediocre 2-4 team and suspect coaching on him is unfair and unrealistic.

Some have stated their expectations of him to be 'mistake free'. Even the BEST QB's in the league are not 'mistake free' and add to that the pressure cooker of this game in KC. Another unrealistic expectation.

I believe our expectations should be that he competently operates the QB position and gains confidence as the game goes on. I expect him to make more than one mistake. An interception or 2 is highly possible. However, I also expect him to make some plays that we're not used to seeing from our QB's. I expect, as his comfort level grows, that he will improve in his pocket presence and ability to look down field and read the defense. I expect him to go outside Gary's box when plays break down and sometimes create something good from it instead of creating a turnover or loss. If he gets thru this pressure packed game as I've described against the undefeated Chiefs on their noisy home field with our mediocre team and mediocre coaching then the upside for him will be great moving forward.

Expecting him to 'lead' us to victory is unrealistic, but possible knowing him. However, the people who SHOULD be leading this team to victory this week are Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, Chris Myers, JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, Ed Reed, Jonathon Joseph, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips with Keenum being competent enough to operate the offense and not throw the game away.

Thanks for the well presented, well thought out and articulated as well.

Obviously you've got no business here! Ya gotta get in a "hate camp"! j/k

Good post.

legacy_gt
10-20-2013, 05:33 PM
You'll quickly realize there are 3 factions when it comes to Keenum:

The homers
The haters
The don't care

Homers and Haters fight while the don't care wish they would both shut up.

not anymore

SAMURAITEXAN
10-20-2013, 05:47 PM
delete

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:17 PM
Cause hes not an answer

CretorFrigg
10-20-2013, 06:18 PM
...

Why?

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:23 PM
Pick 6 same as a fumble

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:24 PM
...

Why?

Did you see anything special

tedr
10-20-2013, 06:25 PM
Pick 6 same as a fumble

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

tedr
10-20-2013, 06:26 PM
Pick 6 same as a fumble

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

The only reason this game was as close as it was was because of Keenum.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-20-2013, 06:27 PM
Did you see anything special




IDK what game you were watching but Keenum looked good to me. Showed me a hell of a lot more than any other QB on this roster.

stingray
10-20-2013, 06:27 PM
Cause hes not an answer

You sir, are a complete moron. What game did you watch? :vincepalm:

DocBar
10-20-2013, 06:27 PM
No he wouldn't. He'd cut/trade Schaub and Yates and draft a QB early next season. Keenum showed some moxie today. He also showed his inexperience in an extremely hostile environment. Let's see how he does in two weeks, at home, against Indy.

Keenum's 1st game should've been last week, not this week.

WolverineFan
10-20-2013, 06:27 PM
He really struggled in the 4th quarter. A lot of those sacks are on him. He's got to get rid of the ball.

That said, 1st start in Arrowhead against that defense. He played pretty darn good. The offense completely fell apart in the 4th quarter and, while he was a part of that, the line did him no favors.

Yesterday
10-20-2013, 06:27 PM
dude was smiling after the loss (several times). Hate that.

None of the greats (Brady, Manning, etc) ever smile after a loss as they are winners.

He played well enough, but its very obvious he doesn't have the arm strength or frame to be an NFL QB. The guy who is going to lead us to our first super bowl is not on the roster.

dream_team
10-20-2013, 06:28 PM
Just GREAT! Keenum just played well enough, and bad enough, to keep the starting QB debate alive for 2 more weeks.

NastyNate
10-20-2013, 06:29 PM
Cause hes not an answer

You need a glass stomach because your head is clearly up your a$$. I wasn't a huge Keenum guy before this game. I'm sold now.

rolyat93
10-20-2013, 06:29 PM
You're being WAY too dramatic lol. If he's "not the answer" like you say, he still wouldn't cut a QB who can make plays that's on a dirt cheap contract.

Although I just did exactly what you wanted when you made this thread, gave you a reaction.:vincepalm:

BleedsRocketRed
10-20-2013, 06:29 PM
He really struggled in the 4th quarter. A lot of those sacks are on him. He's got to get rid of the ball.

That said, 1st start in Arrowhead against that defense. He played pretty darn good. The offense completely fell apart in the 4th quarter and, while he was a part of that, the line did him no favors.

How so?? He literally had 1-2 seconds before he was slammed into the ground. The O-Line just let the blitzers run right into him

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Cause hes not an answer

What are you smoking.. :vincepalm:

Section516
10-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Not sure what you saw. On the road in Arrowhead, he did about the best we could've expected. Its his first start, I'm pleased with what i saw overall. Not pleased with him not seeing the blitzes.

Not pleased with the Oline, or the injuries. He showed he had a live arm, could escape pressure, extend plays, etc.

RTP2110
10-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Cause hes not an answer

Exactly what did Case do to make you think he should be straight up cut?

tedr
10-20-2013, 06:31 PM
Did you see anything special

I did...I saw a guy in his first game ever almost lead us to a win against the best defense, hands down, in the league.

I saw a guy who can move, who bought time with his legs, and who made some great plays.

I also saw continued shortcomings in the red zone play calling, and that's on Kubiak.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-20-2013, 06:31 PM
OP is obviously drunk and rambling. Nothing to see here.

mussop
10-20-2013, 06:31 PM
Apparently someone got drunk instead of watching the game.

PapaL
10-20-2013, 06:32 PM
I'd like to see him start our next game. I wasn't wow'd but he's definitely serviceable. Nice 27 yard TD to Nuk. That across his body and field incomplete to Graham scared the hell out of me. We seem to force throws to the TE and not to our WRs.

eriadoc
10-20-2013, 06:32 PM
OP is obviously drunk and rambling. Nothing to see here.

I hope for his sake that he's just trolling, because it would really suck to go through life that clueless otherwise.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-20-2013, 06:33 PM
I think he was watching a replay of last weeks game and thought that was Case starting.

HouTx11
10-20-2013, 06:37 PM
In before the close.....

burro
10-20-2013, 06:38 PM
Who pissed in your koolaid? Case played a damn good game all things considered, most life we've seen out of the offense since early 2012

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:39 PM
Our qb play has been so bad that case avg qb play has been magnified. Never seen a snap of him in college. Bought in on the message board hype. He is an UDFA. Thats all
Is he better than yates....probably.....is he better than schaub. What does that say. Case is a backup. A new coach will pass him over all im saying.

EllisUnit
10-20-2013, 06:39 PM
If i believed in Negative rep i would def give some to the OP...

eriadoc
10-20-2013, 06:40 PM
... its very obvious he doesn't have the arm strength or frame to be an NFL QB.

WTF game did you watch? Dude threw a ball all the way across the field 44 yards in the air without having his feet set and the defense had no shot at it (Graham barely did). Wish I had such a weak arm.

It's this sort of complete and utter bull**** that nakes the Keenum hate camp look like clowns. There are legitimate criticisms of every QB on the planet. There are plenty of things to be concerned about with Keenum. The arm is not one of them. It's like a bunch of fkn idiots read the combine scouting report and just keep parroting the arm crap despite having actual, real throws on film to watch.

It's just mind boggling how stupid that is.

EllisUnit
10-20-2013, 06:41 PM
Our qb play has been so bad that case avg qb play has been magnified. Never seen a snap of him in college. Bought in on the message board hype. He is an UDFA. Thats all
Is he better than yates....probably.....is he better than schaub. What does that say. Case is a backup. A new coach will pass him over all im saying.

In your opinion a new coach would, opinion. In my opinion he played as good as i have seen a qb play in a texans uniform in a long time. Also in my opinion you are.... Well i'll end it there.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-20-2013, 06:42 PM
Our qb play has been so bad that case avg qb play has been magnified. Never seen a snap of him in college. Bought in on the message board hype. He is an UDFA. Thats all
Is he better than yates....probably.....is he better than schaub. What does that say. Case is a backup. A new coach will pass him over all im saying.



Case at the very least has proven to be a capable backup. A new coach will not cut him considering the amount of money he is being paid.

DocBar
10-20-2013, 06:42 PM
After giving this some thought, the OP could be onto something if the new HC could successfully lobby the NFL to allow Schaub to wear his red practice jersey during games so no one could hit him. Schaub would be instantly elite in a clean pocket for a whole season, so there would be no need to have a mobile QB with a very good arm and a lot of upside.

:toropalm:

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:43 PM
Also why would a new coach keep case knowing the trolls would call for him. All im saying. Kubiak gone along schaub and yates and case. Fresh start at qb for a new coach

Rey
10-20-2013, 06:44 PM
Our qb play has been so bad that case avg qb play has been magnified. Never seen a snap of him in college. Bought in on the message board hype. He is an UDFA. Thats all
Is he better than yates....probably.....is he better than schaub. What does that say. Case is a backup. A new coach will pass him over all im saying.

I'm not ready to annoint him starter next yearbut it was his first start.

The mistakes he made are correctable.

burro
10-20-2013, 06:46 PM
Our qb play has been so bad that case avg qb play has been magnified. Never seen a snap of him in college. Bought in on the message board hype. He is an UDFA. Thats all
Is he better than yates....probably.....is he better than schaub. What does that say. Case is a backup. A new coach will pass him over all im saying.

C. Keenum 15/25 271 yards 1 TD 0 INTs
With no running game and a tissue paper online.

Better than average for a first start against the best defense in the NFL

rolyat93
10-20-2013, 06:46 PM
Our qb play has been so bad that case avg qb play has been magnified. Never seen a snap of him in college. Bought in on the message board hype. He is an UDFA. Thats all
Is he better than yates....probably.....is he better than schaub. What does that say. Case is a backup. A new coach will pass him over all im saying.

I hope you didn't pull a hammy back-pedaling.:tiphat:

EllisUnit
10-20-2013, 06:47 PM
i will admit i dont like the formation we ran today, the RB is like 10 yards behind the LOS, not a good formation IMO. Keenum looked good behind center even in Pre season so we need to stick with that.

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:48 PM
I'm not ready to annoint him starter next yearbut it was his first start.

The mistakes he made are correctable.

But would a new coach see an it factor with him and keep him. knowing its a vy case all over again?

htownfan32
10-20-2013, 06:49 PM
Not if it's Kevin Sumlin :kitten:

ziggy29
10-20-2013, 06:49 PM
I've seen nothing in Keenum today that suggests he's a worse option than Schaub or Yates. And at 2-5, while it's not a "lost season" quite yet it's getting close to the point where you want to see what you need to draft. If Keenum lays an egg, take a QB first round. If he looks serviceable at the NFL level, maybe you take an O-lineman instead.

Surreal McCoy
10-20-2013, 06:50 PM
How so?? He literally had 1-2 seconds before he was slammed into the ground. The O-Line just let the blitzers run right into him

Just as they've done all season...

nut
10-20-2013, 06:50 PM
I am thinking we will probably need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. That said, he did pretty darn good considering he's never played in the NFL and was playing against a damn good defense. He surely did better than Schaub who is a complete stiff. Thanks to Sxchaub, Kubiak and special teams, we are already dead in the water and might as well see what he can do. What do we have to lose? He might prove me wrong.

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 06:50 PM
You guys need to think like a new coach taking over houston and the qb situation

nut
10-20-2013, 06:51 PM
We don't need Sumlin, no defense.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-20-2013, 06:52 PM
But would a new coach see an it factor with him and keep him. knowing its a vy case all over again?



Now you're really grasping lol.

htownfan32
10-20-2013, 06:53 PM
We don't need Sumlin, no defense.

You say that like Kubiak calls the defensive plays now.

Sumlin calls the offense, Wade calls the defense. Anyone see any issues with that? I sure as hell don't.

Hervoyel
10-20-2013, 06:53 PM
Cause hes not an answer

Disagree. I thought that in the fourth quarter he was fed to the wolves (Some of those blitzes were on him before he had a chance to even setup) but prior to that he looked composed, mobile, and plenty capable. I want to see him play again.

When did our line become not just damaged but total ****? I mean they can't stop anything. That was a 10 sack day if the gimp had started. Easily.

I think Keenum's first start should have been last week against the Rams but that didn't happen. This was one hell of an environment to make your first start in and he did very well. I'd take Keenum over Schaub every single time after what I saw today.

nut
10-20-2013, 06:55 PM
Look at your college team. You have already had an aggy guy in charge for years - Kubiak.

heymak
10-20-2013, 06:57 PM
You guys need to think like a new coach taking over houston and the qb situation
Just curious how well a first time starter should do when the primary running back is out injuried and the number two looked wounded as well. The second half was played by KC as if there was no threat of a run, which there wasn't. At least he showed some pocket presence when he had time. Sucks to lose, but can't put this all on Case.

HTown2ATX
10-20-2013, 07:01 PM
Anyone else noticing the new agenda? Downplay Case who was the undrafted 3rd stringer who just went in Arrowhead against a bad ass Chiefs defense and damn near won the game. Case had no oline, no run game, bad refs, bad clock management from Kubes as well as bad playcalling at time.

Yet..........somehow Case was just "ok", "serviceable" and other downplaying terms? I have not been so dumbfounded in my life. Saying that is like saying it is snowing right now when it's clearly now.

Case made throws that are I dunno, legit NFL QB throws Texans fans don't get to see unless they change the channel to another game/team. Normally most 3rd stringers would just outright suck balls yet today he nearly lead the team to a W in KC, something we know Schaub and Yates would not have done. He far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, outplayed the other 2 QB's yet had either one of them played today I bet they would get excuses on how they played great. Just laughable. I'm just having to tell myself "this is the agenda, I would do the same thing had I just been proven wrong like this".

To be clear, I am NOT saying he is the next Montana or the next franchise QB but damn, don't downplay the best performance you have seen all season. It's insane.

michaelm
10-20-2013, 07:05 PM
Hmm ? Gentleman, which brings me to my next point:

Don't smoke crack.

michaelm
10-20-2013, 07:09 PM
Hmm ? Gentleman, which brings me to my next point:

Don't smoke crack.

In case my post was unclear, it's was a response to the original post.

HJam72
10-20-2013, 07:10 PM
I think Case is our starter going from here. All this guy needs is more coaching and experience. First thing he needs to work on right now is knowing when to tuck the ball and protect it with both ARMS (not just two HANDS)--I get why he does that; he just risks it a little too long.

Hervoyel
10-20-2013, 07:10 PM
We don't need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. On that side of the ball our biggest single need is competent offensive linemen who can pass protect. Everything else is fine as it is.

We have RB's. We have WR's. We have a fine young QB who can sling it, is accurate, and mobile. We just can't block worth a damn and that needs to be fixed ASAP. We have some kind of implosion going on over there and none of them look worth a damn right now. No one.

burro
10-20-2013, 07:12 PM
I've seen nothing in Keenum today that suggests he's a worse option than Schaub or Yates. And at 2-5, while it's not a "lost season" quite yet it's getting close to the point where you want to see what you need to draft. If Keenum lays an egg, take a QB first round. If he looks serviceable at the NFL level, maybe you take an O-lineman instead.

Exactly. If Keenum proves he can hang, a RT in the first round is a no brainer.

Lord Bills
10-20-2013, 07:13 PM
Cause hes not an answer

lol wut?

I thought Keenum played great today. There where throws that he made today that schaub could have never dreamed of completing.

Keenum had two touchdown passes dropped. Hopkins in the end zone and graham in the first quarter.

Keenum played great today and those blitz sacks where not on him but on Kubiak and his play calling.

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2013, 07:17 PM
wtf game did you watch? Dude threw a ball all the way across the field 44 yards in the air without having his feet set and the defense had no shot at it (graham barely did). Wish i had such a weak arm.

It's this sort of complete and utter bull**** that nakes the keenum hate camp look like clowns. There are legitimate criticisms of every qb on the planet. There are plenty of things to be concerned about with keenum. The arm is not one of them. It's like a bunch of fkn idiots read the combine scouting report and just keep parroting the arm crap despite having actual, real throws on film to watch.

It's just mind boggling how stupid that is.

^^^^^^^^^this!

nut
10-20-2013, 07:17 PM
Case did not look like a deer in the headlights like Schaub despite his inexperience. There were no turtle sacks and he threw downfield. He had good pocket presence and actually got the team to show some emotion. He exhibited leadership qualities and was not a flatliner like Schaub & Yates. The crowd at Reliant would cheer for him and make it louder. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do. It would take a few games to see if he can be the starter.

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 07:18 PM
Ok lock the thread. I'm wrong. A new coach will think case is the answer

HJam72
10-20-2013, 07:21 PM
We don't need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. On that side of the ball our biggest single need is competent offensive linemen who can pass protect. Everything else is fine as it is.

We have RB's. We have WR's. We have a fine young QB who can sling it, is accurate, and mobile. We just can't block worth a damn and that needs to be fixed ASAP. We have some kind of implosion going on over there and none of them look worth a damn right now. No one.

Some of that was getting out-schemed at times today.

badboy
10-20-2013, 07:23 PM
We don't need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. On that side of the ball our biggest single need is competent offensive linemen who can pass protect. Everything else is fine as it is.

We have RB's. We have WR's. We have a fine young QB who can sling it, is accurate, and mobile. We just can't block worth a damn and that needs to be fixed ASAP. We have some kind of implosion going on over there and none of them look worth a damn right now. No one.Exactly, we should draft two O tackles and a safety to replace Manning. Reed needs to go and Swearinger replaces. I think we from drafting # 10 to 9.

Mr teX
10-20-2013, 07:26 PM
WTF game did you watch? Dude threw a ball all the way across the field 44 yards in the air without having his feet set and the defense had no shot at it (Graham barely did). Wish I had such a weak arm.

It's this sort of complete and utter bull**** that nakes the Keenum hate camp look like clowns. There are legitimate criticisms of every QB on the planet. There are plenty of things to be concerned about with Keenum. The arm is not one of them. It's like a bunch of fkn idiots read the combine scouting report and just keep parroting the arm crap despite having actual, real throws on film to watch.

It's just mind boggling how stupid that is.

Ericadoc going in!!!!!

Tolar's Ghost
10-20-2013, 07:30 PM
For his first NFL start, Keenum did much better than most anyone thought. He should, and probably will, get the start against the Colts.

If they win, their next three games are very winnable (Cardinals, Raiders, Jaguars). And don't tell me the Texans can't win the next game, at home against the Patriots. Did you see the Pats play today? Not so hot. Brady was 1-for-12 on third-down conversions.

It's too early to say if Keenum is their QB of the future. But for those of you who think the draft is the solution, don't be so sure. Did you see how Matt Barkley did today in his NFL debut? He had 129 yards and three 3 INTs -- at home...

SAMURAITEXAN
10-20-2013, 07:31 PM
Case completed 20+ yds a few times. Our O looked much better with Case.

Lord Bills
10-20-2013, 07:34 PM
the difference was night and day with schaub and keenum.

Vertical ability, the playmaking, the guts to throw beyond the marker, im quite impressed with how case played today.

going to arrowhead, vs unbeaten team, great defense, injuries all over the place, Keenum played well today.

Well enough to warrant another start.

Tolar's Ghost
10-20-2013, 07:37 PM
He'll get it.

I haven't seen Kubiak so excited since, well, I can't remember.

Michael Silver of NFL Media (formerly of Yahoo Sports) is pretty astute. He said on NFL Network a few nights ago that if Schaub is replaced as the starting QB, he won't get the job back.

I think he'll be proven right.

ljhog
10-20-2013, 07:38 PM
I did not see an NFL arm today. That said, I didn't see one with Bernie Kosar either.

Tolar's Ghost
10-20-2013, 07:40 PM
To your first sentence - you're kidding, right?

And Kosar had a pretty good career, wouldn't you say?

Hervoyel
10-20-2013, 07:44 PM
dude was smiling after the loss (several times). Hate that.

None of the greats (Brady, Manning, etc) ever smile after a loss as they are winners.

He played well enough, but its very obvious he doesn't have the arm strength or frame to be an NFL QB. The guy who is going to lead us to our first super bowl is not on the roster.

Dude, really? You must be blind or you're just talking out of your fourth point of contact. It's ridiculous statements like this that I can't understand. He's got plenty of arm strength and he looks like an NFL QB to me back there so I don't know where you're getting this stuff about his "frame".

I want to see what he does back there with a couple of weeks of first team snaps and in front of a home crowd.

It would also be nice if the Texans could find a RT somewhere but I'm sure that's asking for too much.

Rey
10-20-2013, 07:45 PM
Coincidence that a lot of the same people proclaiming case would stink are now the same folks downplaying whatever success he had today?

No.

If that was our 2nd round pick from last season that just stepped in and had that game I think folks would be more reasonable with their evaluations. But since people had such strong opinions they can't come out and say I was wrong. Case does possibly have a future.

stingray
10-20-2013, 07:45 PM
I did not see an NFL arm today. That said, I didn't see one with Bernie Kosar either.

Freaking moronic statement. :vincepalm:

Hervoyel
10-20-2013, 07:47 PM
I've seen nothing in Keenum today that suggests he's a worse option than Schaub or Yates. And at 2-5, while it's not a "lost season" quite yet it's getting close to the point where you want to see what you need to draft. If Keenum lays an egg, take a QB first round. If he looks serviceable at the NFL level, maybe you take an O-lineman instead.

Oh no, with Cushing done you can be certain that 2-5 is about as lost as this season can possibly get. We're done.

legacy_gt
10-20-2013, 07:49 PM
I did not see an NFL arm today. That said, I didn't see one with Bernie Kosar either.

yeah either did Hopkins on that TD pass.

fiasco west
10-20-2013, 07:49 PM
Coincidence that a lot of the same people pro claiming case would stink are now the same folks downplaying whatever success he had today?

No.

If that was our 2nd round pick from last season that just stepped in and had that game I think folks would be more reasonable with their evaluations. But since people had such strong opinions they can't come out and say I was wrong. Case does possibly have a future.

Exactly.

Some people were expecting him to play like garbage...and he outplays a lot of QBs that went against KC this year with literally no HB and now he's just "Okay."

It's whatever, if this guy is improving from what he did today...I'm not even going to say it. Kid has a LOT of potential.

Yeah he didn't play perfect (who does?) but his mistakes did not lose the game (unlike our previous QBs) and his play was the reason we were in it despite not having a RB.

If Foster plays we EASILY win this game. If you think otherwise then you are basically saying that Foster is worth only one point. Hopefully the bye week is just what Foster and this offense need to get things right again.

I think the only thing that could save Kubes job for another year is Case now. I'd be surprised if he trots Schaub back out there...

Hervoyel
10-20-2013, 07:53 PM
Ok lock the thread. I'm wrong. A new coach will think case is the answer


Maybe. Maybe not. What's stupid is thinking that any of us knows what a new coach will think if one is brought in after this season. You have no idea what will play out over the next 9 weeks. Keenum could get another start, improve in front of the home crowd at Reliant and never sit back down. For all any of us know right now he could end up being one of the few bright spots of this season (which is looking pretty grim at the moment).

Or he could sit back down in two weeks and never see the field again. We could stagger through this mess with Matt Schaub and his gimpy sloth routine.

We don't know and neither do you. Saying "A new coach will cut case" is just stupid because you don't know what that coach will be looking at yet. If he only saw today he probably still wouldn't just outright cut him. Beyond today nobody knows.

Rey
10-20-2013, 07:59 PM
Ok lock the thread. I'm wrong. A new coach will think case is the answer

How about we just all come in and type agreed instead. I mean you said it so it must be true.

darnbni99a
10-20-2013, 08:01 PM
OP is blind....

ljhog
10-20-2013, 08:04 PM
Freaking moronic statement. :vincepalm:

you say that now. Give Case a few games and you will see his arm strength is questionable.

Tolar's Ghost
10-20-2013, 08:06 PM
And you scout for which NFL team?

IDEXAN
10-20-2013, 08:12 PM
Case played better than I thought we had any right to hope he could, and I was totally impressed with his guts and performance today in KC.
Dunno what's gonna happen in the coming weeks for the Texans, but my thought is that Case should be our starter when we suit up after the bye to play the Colts.

TexanBacker93
10-20-2013, 08:14 PM
He could cut him for his own guy, but it won't be because of today. He wasn't perfect, but he showed more than either Schaub or Yates. He deserves to finish this season as the starter.

He was handicapped by another poor game by the o-line and a typical poorly planned game by Kubiak. To top it off he went up against the #1 D in one of the toughest places to play. That is a sick D. I wish we had a more creative defensive scheme that could dial up some pressure like that. Keenum didn't handle the pressure well, but everyone knew it was coming & our coach failed to help his QB.

Lord Bills
10-20-2013, 08:16 PM
people need to watch that game again. Case played terrific considering his green circumstance and the team he was playing including the location.

The man made plays left and right out there. He was totally sabotaged by Kubiak and his idiotic decisions and play calling.

Not having a no huddle hurry up offense and not letting your QB freely audible is costing this team timeouts and chances to win the game.

TexanBacker93
10-20-2013, 08:17 PM
Case did not look like a deer in the headlights like Schaub despite his inexperience. There were no turtle sacks and he threw downfield. He had good pocket presence and actually got the team to show some emotion. He exhibited leadership qualities and was not a flatliner like Schaub & Yates. The crowd at Reliant would cheer for him and make it louder. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do. It would take a few games to see if he can be the starter.

I think that pass to Graham that he dropped was 6 if he ran through the route instead of jumping. He's got a livlier arm at this point.

Showtime100
10-20-2013, 08:30 PM
Your credibility is going down the drain with this thread and other posts since the end of the game, ATX.

Most say, and rightly so, that Case represented himself well today especially given the many circumstances of this particular game. He leaves a lot to ponder about what he can do in the future (without anointing him The Savior). You try and save face by acting like we all think he's The Answer. Wow.

I'm looking forward to seeing him start again. Case has MADE me interested.

Also, when the urge is strong enough to start YET ANOTHER thread about Case......wanna give us a little more than 'just 'cuz'?

MEGA SWATT
10-20-2013, 09:09 PM
:wadepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2013, 09:43 PM
In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 10:00 PM
I've seen nothing in Keenum today that suggests he's a worse option than Schaub or Yates. And at 2-5, while it's not a "lost season" quite yet it's getting close to the point where you want to see what you need to draft. If Keenum lays an egg, take a QB first round. If he looks serviceable at the NFL level, maybe you take an O-lineman instead.

The only thing that really bothers me is the fumble at the end of the game. Sacks come for different reasons, one QB is going to take them in some situations, others are going to take them in other situations, but I can pretty much gaurantee you who ever our QB is going to be going forward is going to get sacked.

If this is going to be a problem going forward with Keenum, & I don't know that it will be, then it's not the no brainer many want to make it out to be.

We are not out of this yet, even at 2-5. Until we are mathematically out of it the answer is always to play the players that give you the best option to win. Any idea to just play this guy or that guy to see what you got, is a loser's mentality.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 10:04 PM
Case did not look like a deer in the headlights like Schaub despite his inexperience. There were no turtle sacks and he threw downfield. He had good pocket presence and actually got the team to show some emotion. He exhibited leadership qualities and was not a flatliner like Schaub & Yates. The crowd at Reliant would cheer for him and make it louder. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do. It would take a few games to see if he can be the starter.

That all is likely to change when the honey moon is over & people start blaming him for the loss.

DX-TEX
10-20-2013, 10:06 PM
That all is likely to change when the honey moon is over & people start blaming him for the loss.

I honestly blame this entire losing streak on Schaub. According to Gary, his son Matt is the leader of this team and attitude reflects leadership.

So yes, its all on Matt. (And his daddy Gary)

Rey
10-20-2013, 10:06 PM
That all is likely to change when the honey moon is over & people start blaming him for the loss.

Or he could become a really good qb and help us reach the level we want to be at.

But I guess since you want to say I told you so it's easier to come up with negative hypotheticals.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 10:21 PM
Exactly.

Some people were expecting him to play like garbage...and he outplays a lot of QBs that went against KC this year with literally no HB and now he's just "Okay."

It's whatever, if this guy is improving from what he did today...I'm not even going to say it. Kid has a LOT of potential.

Yeah he didn't play perfect (who does?) but his mistakes did not lose the game (unlike our previous QBs) and his play was the reason we were in it despite not having a RB.


I'd start Case. No question about it. Not because I think his play warrants it, but because Kubiak calls the game differently. I was wrong about the play-calling not being an issue, Kubiak's strategy seemed more like a winning strategy.... the 3rd & 3 shot at the end zone is what sold me, but real 3 & 4 WR sets & not "disguised" 2 TE sets tells me he feels like he thinks he has a chance to win that Schaub doesn't give him. I think he got more of a spark than the team did.


If Foster plays we EASILY win this game. If you think otherwise then you are basically saying that Foster is worth only one point. Hopefully the bye week is just what Foster and this offense need to get things right again.


I feel the threat to run "handled" the Chiefs' pass rush more than anything. There in the third when our run game was getting us nothing really hurt in that aspect. Using all our timeouts then not getting the ball back until the 2 minute warning didn't help either.

But I agree with you. Anyone thinking Tate can carry a team, or is worthy of a 3rd round pick or better at this point in the season is just delusional.


I think the only thing that could save Kubes job for another year is Case now. I'd be surprised if he trots Schaub back out there...


Absolutely. If he names Case the starter now, he'll get a pass. If he waits until we're out of contention, then it'll be too little, too late, & he should have known better.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 10:51 PM
Or he could become a really good qb and help us reach the level we want to be at.

But I guess since you want to say I told you so it's easier to come up with negative hypotheticals.

I don't want to say I told you so. I want to say, "We won the Super Bowl, we won the Super Bowl." & I'd love it if Case is that guy that takes us there. I've got nothing against Case, but this is honey moon period. He can throw it short of the sticks on 3rd down & it's the best pass short of the sticks that was ever thrown by any QB to ever play in the state of Texas.

If you're not seeing that, then it's you being disingenuous.

I was at the game last week, you should have heard the cheers Tj got for dumping the ball off. It was ridiculous. Case made some good plays today. He was in a bad situation in a bad way in the second half.

He didn't Kaepernick it & win the starters job outright. He didn't even Andre Luck it, the game was close, the ball was in his hands & he choked.

The only reason he should get the start our next game is because he'll take shots Schaub absolutely refuses to take.

maddogmrb
10-20-2013, 11:34 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html

eriadoc
10-20-2013, 11:38 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html

From the article:

“The guy can definitely move around back there, buy some time for his receivers to get open and he has the arm strength to make the big play down the field,” said Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith. “I found that out the hard way.”

Smith is a confident guy, someone who loves to refer to the “swag” he and his fellow Chiefs corners like to play with. But he offered that self-deprecating remark with a smirk, one that perhaps belies a certain amount of respect earned for a young quarterback who just played his tail off in a hostile environment.

“I don't want to say we overlooked him,” Chiefs safety Kendrick Lewis said, “but that guy was better than we thought.”

speedfreek
10-20-2013, 11:56 PM
vs. Cowboys
T. Romo C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACK QBR RTG FUM
30/42 298 7.1 1 0 3-17 57.1 99.1 1

vs. Eagles
M. Vick C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACK QBR RTG FUM
13/30 201 6.7 1 2 6-34 25.5 49.4 1

vs. Giants
E. Manning C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACK QBR RTG FUM
18/37 217 5.9 1 1 3-17 23.7 64.8 2

vs. Texans
C. Keenum C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACK QBR RTG FUM
15/25 271 10.8 1 0 5-50 36.4 110.6 1

TJ

Lord Bills
10-21-2013, 12:12 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html

“I told y'all Keenum can play,” Demps said. “He's gonna be good ... he's got good composure. He's like a fourth-year guy as a rookie. That's very rare.”


But in the process, Keenum still won the respect of the Chiefs, at least three of whom mentioned his “promising future” when discussing his day afterward.

“He definitely came in and played better than I thought he would,” Smith said. “He showed a lot of poise and confidence back there.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html#storylink=cpy

Vance87
10-21-2013, 12:17 AM
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html#storylink=cpy

Welp, I've heard enough. Send Schaub back out there.









:kitten:

Vance87
10-21-2013, 03:06 AM
How do you feel about the game? “I’m really disappointed and frustrated. I thought our team played really hard there towards the end. We put the offense in a position and me in a position to go down and win the game, and we didn’t. I didn’t make the plays there at the end. You’ve got to give credit to Kansas City. They’ve got a heck of a defense, and they did a good job disguising looks and bringing pressure. But our receivers did a great job getting open all afternoon. I just didn’t make the throws when I needed to.”

Did you feel like you made some good things happen? “It’s nice to make good things happen, but I’m going to watch the film and I’m going to think about those couple of plays where I didn’t. That’s just how it goes. I’m learning this game. I’m learning that it’s those few plays in the crunch time that make the difference. You could play as well or as bad and make a few plays. A turnover here or there or whatever it is, it’s very small. I want to make them next time.”

The series where you guys made it down to the one yard line and couldn’t punch it in. How critical was that situation? “Yeah, it’s tough. I think we were down a running back at that point, maybe two. The sneak, I wish that would have got in, and I can make a better ball to DeAndre [Hopkins]. It’s a matchup we love, him on the goal line there. It wound up being a big play. It’s one of those plays where I want that ball back.”

The last three possessions ended in sacks. Was Kansas City doing something differently? “Yeah, they were doing a good job, and I got confused. My guys were working to get open, and I just need to get the ball out. My offensive line did a great job protecting all day. They did an extremely good job, especially running the ball early. I thought we had some really good drives. We just didn’t make the play at the end.”


With all the pressure on him, and the whole situation he was put in, all he can talk about is how disappointed he was that he couldn't pull out the win, and how honest he was in the criticism of himself. Compare how many times he says "I" instead of "we". He recognizes his own faults and isn't afraid to admit it. Amazing.

EllisUnit
10-21-2013, 06:09 AM
With all the pressure on him, and the whole situation he was put in, all he can talk about is how disappointed he was that he couldn't pull out the win, and how honest he was in the criticism of himself. Compare how many times he says "I" instead of "we". He recognizes his own faults and isn't afraid to admit it. Amazing.

Yep and that is the sign of a true leader, when he takes the blame instead of putting it on everyone.

darnbni99a
10-21-2013, 06:15 AM
i'm 99% sure we would of lost by waaaaay more than 1 point if Schaub was out there (healthy or not)

b0ng
10-21-2013, 09:00 AM
I have discussed Case Keenum's limitations multiple times on this board. He is a short, older rookie-ish QB, who has had medical issues in college, who had questions about his arm. Most all of these still apply unfortunately after the game, however, I only really talked up Case when he was in college because I absolutely loved his college career. Setting all those records for UH is something he will always hang his hat on, but, when coming to the NFL it's almost a total crapshoot whether a player will be able to handle the game through the wear and tear and mental difficulties they face.

With that said, I think the Keenum brigade here has vastly exaggerated his college career in order to place gigantic expectations for him in the pros and treat those expectations as more of facts than anything. Keenum showed very admirably in his first start; which was on the road, against the most fearsome pass rush in the NFL, oh and all the active RB's get decimated while the game is well in question. He has certainly earned himself an extensive look this season (As in, put Schaub on IR, screw it at this point we're 2-5) in my opinion. This one performance is not going to preclude me from drafting a QB high at this point in the season, but I'm open to Keenum proving me wrong.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 09:03 AM
i'm 99% sure we would of lost by waaaaay more than 1 point if Schaub was out there (healthy or not)

we would've lost by more than 1 point if KC would've elected to punch it in for a TD on Keenum's sack fumble at the 1 inch line....

76Texan
10-21-2013, 09:17 AM
we would've lost by more than 1 point if KC would've elected to punch it in for a TD on Keenum's sack fumble at the 1 inch line....

Negative.
Andy Reid would never take the risk of a turnover when he can have his team kneel 3 times to ensure a win.

... Unless Vegas wanted another 7 points, which would change the outcome of the OVER/UNDER spread by 1/2 of a point. :thinking:

b0ng
10-21-2013, 09:53 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1818465-case-keenum-not-the-answer-for-houston-texans-qb-woes

The entire situation is reminiscent of former NFL quarterback Tyler Thigpen, who caught the NFL by storm in 2008 for the then-atrocious Chiefs. Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey installed an offensive set straight out of the Coastal Carolina playbook, and Thigpen outperformed expectations because he was a good athlete for whom the game slowed down when he was comfortable.

Eventually, however, Thigpen's schtick was over because it wasn't sustainable. Teams watch tape—you can only surprise people so many times. Eventually, when all the wrinkles and gimmicks fade, a quarterback has to be able to make the throws. Thigpen couldn't do that on a consistent basis. Keenum can't either.

You guys should let this guy know what you think.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 09:59 AM
Negative.
Andy Reid would never take the risk of a turnover when he can have his team kneel 3 times to ensure a win.

... Unless Vegas wanted another 7 points, which would change the outcome of the OVER/UNDER spread by 1/2 of a point. :thinking:

He didn't do it b/c of that....It was on the other side of the 2 minute warning & he knew we had no more TO's to stop the clock....:kubepalm: If we just had 1 TO or the 2 minute warning i think he goes on ahead & punches it, he just takes his time doing it.

Besides, the risk of a TO is minimal there...probably 3 straight qb sneaks would've done it...which is what he probably should've done earlier when they stalled in the red zone on the 1 inch line...

rmartin65
10-21-2013, 10:02 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1818465-case-keenum-not-the-answer-for-houston-texans-qb-woes



You guys should let this guy know what you think.

Why do you hate Case?

76Texan
10-21-2013, 10:19 AM
He didn't do it b/c of that....It was on the other side of the 2 minute warning & he knew we had no more TO's to stop the clock....:kubepalm: If we just had 1 TO or the 2 minute warning i think he goes on ahead & punches it, he just takes his time doing it.

Besides, the risk of a TO is minimal there...probably 3 straight qb sneaks would've done it...which is what he probably should've done earlier when they stalled in the red zone on the 1 inch line...

But it was exactly because he knew we had no time-out left.
I remember at least one game when a coach did the stupid thing that resulted in a turnover and the other scored a TD for the win.
Why make any call other than to ensure 100% of the win?

76Texan
10-21-2013, 10:20 AM
He didn't do it b/c of that....It was on the other side of the 2 minute warning & he knew we had no more TO's to stop the clock....:kubepalm: If we just had 1 TO or the 2 minute warning i think he goes on ahead & punches it, he just takes his time doing it.

Besides, the risk of a TO is minimal there...probably 3 straight qb sneaks would've done it...which is what he probably should've done earlier when they stalled in the red zone on the 1 inch line...

But it was exactly because he knew we had no time-out left.
I remember at least one game when a coach did the stupid thing that resulted in a turnover and the other scored a TD for the win.
Why make any call other than to ensure 100% of the win?

There's absolutely nothing to gain.
Any risk of all is a dumb risk.

idymoe
10-21-2013, 10:59 AM
As Nance and Simms mentioned, Reid did not want to score there, because it would have given the Texans a small chance, whereas running the clock out gave them no chance.

With the Texans down one point, a touchdown and extra point gives KC an 8 point lead with almost 2 minutes to play, albeit with no timeouts. It gives the Texans a chance to score a touchdown and get a two point conversion to tie the game.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 11:05 AM
But it was exactly because he knew we had no time-out left.
I remember at least one game when a coach did the stupid thing that resulted in a turnover and the other scored a TD for the win.
Why make any call other than to ensure 100% of the win?


Your logic doesn't make sense simply b/c the risk of a TO is there whether or not he chooses to punch it in with a qb sneak b/c the qb still has to take the snap on both plays...the risk is minimal.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 11:18 AM
we would've lost by more than 1 point if KC would've elected to punch it in for a TD on Keenum's sack fumble at the 1 inch line....

If Any Reid would've done that, then he's a dumbass.. only a dumbass would do that.. The Texans would've been better off if he did elect to score as they would've been only down one score (8 points) with the ball back and still time on the clock. Hell the Texans would've moved out of their way and helped them into the endzone. They would've had small odds, but odds still greater than 0 which is what Reid gave them when he elected to sit on the ball. The fact that we played them so close is why he wasn't given the opportunity to just punch it in.

Rey
10-21-2013, 11:22 AM
When the guy recovered the fumble and rolled into the EZ I was thinking that the Olineman that touched him should have let him score.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 11:26 AM
When the guy recovered the fumble and rolled into the EZ I was thinking that the Olineman that touched him should have let him score.

Same here.. ala the Patriots.. it's "situational football"

When they were showing the replays, I was hoping the player wasn't touched, when I saw he was I knew Reid would do exactly what he did.. what anybody would do, and knew the game was over.

76Texan
10-21-2013, 11:36 AM
When the guy recovered the fumble and rolled into the EZ I was thinking that the Olineman that touched him should have let him score.

Newton went after the ball and made contact with D. Johnson.
I don't know if you want to coach your O-linemen not to try to recover the ball; it seems rather counter-intuitive. Yes? No?

76Texan
10-21-2013, 11:42 AM
Your logic doesn't make sense simply b/c the risk of a TO is there whether or not he chooses to punch it in with a qb sneak b/c the qb still has to take the snap on both plays...the risk is minimal.

No, Mr Tex, the risks are different.

First off, when you kneel down, your entire team only has to concentrate on forming a wall. The Center only needs to concentrate on pulling the ball off the ground and handing it backward to the QB. The QB's job is to put a knee on thee ground immediately. It's like in golf when you have the ball right next to the hole.

A snap when you try to run with the ball (a QB sneak for example) involves the C having to think about blocking right after the snap; he has to think about more than one thing.

Secondly, a run or any other type of play involves contact; that's an extra risk.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 11:54 AM
No, Mr Tex, the risks are different.

First off, when you kneel down, your entire team only has to concentrate on forming a wall. The Center only needs to concentrate on pulling the ball off the ground and handing it backward to the QB. The QB's job is to put a knee on thee ground immediately. It's like in golf when you have the ball right next to the hole.

A snap when you try to run with the ball (a QB sneak for example) involves the C having to think about blocking right after the snap; he has to think about more than one thing.

Secondly, a run or any other type of play involves contact; that's an extra risk.

just agree to disagree on the level of risk.....

Vance87
10-21-2013, 12:33 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1818465-case-keenum-not-the-answer-for-houston-texans-qb-woes



You guys should let this guy know what you think.

I think it's funny that he just assumes Keenum can't adjust at all and will burn out. Maybe he's right, but maybe he's dead wrong

Rey
10-21-2013, 12:36 PM
Newton went after the ball and made contact with D. Johnson.
I don't know if you want to coach your O-linemen not to try to recover the ball; it seems rather counter-intuitive. Yes? No?

I'm not blaming anyone. But if I was in that situation I'm telling my guys, if they get a pick or fumble, let them score.

A lot if situational things are counterintuitive. That's where discipline comes in.

It's counterintuitive to pick up a fumble on the 5 yard line and not score. But in that situation it's actually the right thing to do.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. It happened, but if I was in that situation again I'd tell then to let them score.

76Texan
10-21-2013, 12:51 PM
I'm not blaming anyone. But if I was in that situation I'm telling my guys, if they get a pick or fumble, let them score.

A lot if situational things are counterintuitive. That's where discipline comes in.

It's counterintuitive to pick up a fumble on the 5 yard line and not score. But in that situation it's actually the right thing to do.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. It happened, but if I was in that situation again I'd tell then to let them score.

Perhaps; but again, Newton wasn't trying to prevent a score; he wanted to recover the fumble.
If he was succesful, the Texans would still have the ball.
If it was fourth down, I would say for sure, don't even try to touch the ball; stay away.

It's a tough call.
Look at D. Johnson; he didn't want to go down; he wanted to score.
In the Chiefs' case, it was best for them not to score so they can run out the clock.
Johnson was wanting a TD there, don't you think?

thunderkyss
10-21-2013, 04:44 PM
Yep and that is the sign of a true leader, when he takes the blame instead of putting it on everyone.

First, I don't think Schaub was trying to displace blame anywhere. He's just gotten too comfortable repeating what Kubiak said. Coming from Kubiak it's alright.. sounds like he's "protecting" a 10 year vet where you wouldn't think a 10 year vet needs protecting. I do agree Schaub should never have said "we" & whether he thought all the blame should have been on him or not, you're right as the leader of the team he needs to draw the blame to himself & protect his guys the way Kubiak was trying to protect his guy.

But what's even better than Keenum taking the blame...

My guys were working to get open, and I just need to get the ball out. My offensive line did a great job protecting all day. They did an extremely good job, especially running the ball early. I thought we had some really good drives.

Praising those guys in front of him that could have done a better job. It's okay.... expected that a guy would make mental mistakes in his first start at the QB position. But there appeared to be some mental gaffs by both Brown & Wade...... & Brooks isn't a rookie either (Newton's mistakes were far beyond mental Gaffes & I'll have to go back but nothing Myers did really sticks out).

Again, Matt parroted Kubiak's words, "They were battling all day."

thunderkyss
10-21-2013, 04:49 PM
we would've lost by more than 1 point if KC would've elected to punch it in for a TD on Keenum's sack fumble at the 1 inch line....

Or if Reid took the points instead of gambling on 4th down. We'd have lost by 4.

thunderkyss
10-21-2013, 05:09 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1818465-case-keenum-not-the-answer-for-houston-texans-qb-woes



You guys should let this guy know what you think.

I think that's something that should always be taken into account. However, Gary Kubiak is a much better OC than Chan Gailey. He made Matt Schaub nigh elite & Keenum is much more talented. If he's as smart, he'll do better than Tyler Thigpen, better than Schaub.

Kaepernick & RG3 are going to have to start running NFL offenses or they're not going to last long. Andrew Luck & Russel Wilson are gong to have to improve running their offenses. Which reminds me of an article (http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/9/28/3419496/notes-on-the-seahawks-offensive-scheme-philosophy-and-conservative) I read awhile back

An earlier article by Davis Hsu mentions the "sippy cup lid" analogy - an idea that I think serves merit not based on the idea that Wilson is handcuffed in many ways, but by the fact that he's slowly going to transition into mastering the full potential of the playbook. If the offense can truly be considered "sippy cupped", then it is up to Wilson himself to learn and understand it enough so that he can take the lid off himself.

That's a pretty good article... it has some insight into our "audible" system.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-21-2013, 05:17 PM
100 out of 100 times an NFL coach will take 3 knees in that situation and let the clock run out. This isn't even debatable.

Rey
10-21-2013, 05:58 PM
Or if Reid took the points instead of gambling on 4th down. We'd have lost by 4.

Well since we're playing the if game, if graham would've come up with that TD catch early or if Hopkins finds a way to reel in that fade pass, we'd have win comfortably. If Arian didn't get hurt..

But I guess since you guys wanna be right it's easier to focus on the negative.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 06:04 PM
Well since we're playing the if game, if graham would've come up with that TD catch early or if Hopkins finds a way to reel in that fade pass, we'd have win comfortably. If Arian didn't get hurt..

But I guess since you guys wanna be right it's easier to focus on the negative.

.. really is becoming that blatantly obvious huh?

Rey
10-21-2013, 06:16 PM
Perhaps; but again, Newton wasn't trying to prevent a score; he wanted to recover the fumble.
If he was succesful, the Texans would still have the ball.
If it was fourth down, I would say for sure, don't even try to touch the ball; stay away.

It's a tough call.
Look at D. Johnson; he didn't want to go down; he wanted to score.
In the Chiefs' case, it was best for them not to score so they can run out the clock.
Johnson was wanting a TD there, don't you think?

That's my point.

Johnson was trying to score when he actually should have just been looking to recover and ice the game. He was acting with insticts, but there are heady players that understand situations like that and can use discipline there.

Westbrook a few years back for the eagles had an easy walk in TD towards the end if the game. Th D was going to let him score, but he just fell down at the one.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. Not saying anyone did anything wrong, but if I'm newton today I'm thinking that if I'd have pulled back some maybe we could have had another shot.

I haven't watched it again, so I don't know who was doing what. I'm just speaking in general and responding to your initial statement about instincts and not coaching against them. A lot of football is actually about going against your instincts.

But I get what you're saying about newton trying to recover the fimble if that's what happened.

legacy_gt
10-21-2013, 06:51 PM
good scout team qb to have around. (long and short of it)

Nobody grooms those guys to take over. When one of those scenario's happen it's the exception, not the rule.

must be the exception, right vinny?

thunderkyss
10-21-2013, 07:44 PM
Well since we're playing the if game, if graham would've come up with that TD catch early or if Hopkins finds a way to reel in that fade pass, we'd have win comfortably. If Arian didn't get hurt..

But I guess since you guys wanna be right it's easier to focus on the negative.

Let's talk about the, "If Matt Schaub started, we'd have lost by a whole bunch."

DX-TEX
10-21-2013, 08:20 PM
Didn't see this posted:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24111991/case-keenum-could-get-prolonged-look-as-houston-texans-starting-qb

“Gary loves him,” said one source close to Kubiak. “He's extremely cerebral. He doesn't have that big arm but he fits their mold -- he can extend plays and get out of the way. He understands the system. That's going to be a tough environment but he shows a pulse and moves the team some, I bet he sticks with him after the (Week 8) bye.”

Love this pic:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/2013/10/SCHAUB.post_1-306x203.jpg

legacy_gt
10-21-2013, 08:45 PM
Didn't see this posted:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24111991/case-keenum-could-get-prolonged-look-as-houston-texans-starting-qb



Love this pic:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/2013/10/SCHAUB.post_1-306x203.jpg

good find. there is no issue with case's arm.

thunderkyss
10-21-2013, 10:14 PM
Love this pic:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/2013/10/SCHAUB.post_1-306x203.jpg

Schaub-lover.


Should be the other way around, Case in the front, focused, in his uniform. Schaub hazy in the background wearing sweats.

DX-TEX
10-21-2013, 11:08 PM
Schaub-lover.


Should be the other way around, Case in the front, focused, in his uniform. Schaub hazy in the background wearing sweats.

Matt feels the cold, clammy hand of death coming from behind him....

michaelm
10-21-2013, 11:34 PM
just agree to disagree on the level of risk.....

A lot of people do that when they're wrong.

Rey
10-21-2013, 11:55 PM
Let's talk about the, "If Matt Schaub started, we'd have lost by a whole bunch."

Why does that statement bother you? I like Ed Reed and he's played poorly....I thought it was a good signing at the time and I still think if we had more leads it could still be a good signing.

But I'm not running around defending his honor by downplaying Shiloh keo. LoL.

I just don't get ****ting on a guy that clearly played well and gave us a great chance to win a game that a lot of people thought we'd get scorched in.

Haven't even been able to discuss actual football aspects of cases play because so many people running around with these bogus ass arguments. I'm not even ready to say case is the guy but some of this hate is ridiculous.

If I could id bet money that if case were our last years second round pick from byu not as many people would be downplaying his first start. People would be excited that we had a qb that showed that kind if promise, especially since the current/former guy has not done anything.

And it's just one game. But I'd also bet money that the anti-keenum crowd would be saying "see! I told u he sucked!" If he couldn't get it done.

You'd be in here thumping your chest talking about Schaub being the best guy for the job and how keenums poor game should end the discussion. Our best chances are with Schaub.
Look, y'all can deny it, deflect, call me names, get snarky, be offended but I know what's up. And really you guys do too. But this message board stuff is just good fun so I ain't even mad at y'all bro. Like I said I know the drill.

DocBar
10-22-2013, 12:06 AM
Why does that statement bother you? I like Ed Reed and he's played poorly....I thought it was a good signing at the time and I still think if we had more leads it could still be a good signing.

But I'm not running around defending his honor by downplaying Shiloh keo. LoL.

I just don't get ****ting on a guy that clearly played well and gave us a great chance to win a game that a lot of people thought we'd get scorched in.MSR. Good post.

rolyat93
10-22-2013, 01:23 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1818465-case-keenum-not-the-answer-for-houston-texans-qb-woes



You guys should let this guy know what you think.

LOL Bleacherreport, you're reaching.:swatter:

Vance87
10-22-2013, 03:14 AM
In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.

http://img.pandawhale.com/67037-Christian-Bale-oh-kiss-reactio-NZEo.gif

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 07:33 AM
Why does that statement bother you?



For me it's about balance.

As far as downplaying Case, all I've ever said was that he didn't Kaepernick it..... meaning he didn't play sooooo well, that he should be the immediate starter the way Kaepernick did.

If it weren't for the Schaub hate in Houston it would be debatable because of Matt's most recent games, not Case's.

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 07:35 AM
In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.

So we can start talking about yards again?

CloakNNNdagger
10-22-2013, 10:07 AM
So we can start talking about yards again?

Had we had our RBs for a full game, it would have been unlikely that he would not have had the points to go with it.

eriadoc
10-22-2013, 10:23 AM
So we can start talking about yards again?

No. At the end of the day, the team landed on 16 points again, which (almost - they had a safety one time) always irritates me. But given the circumstances, I'm willing to see more. I'd rather see what Keenum can do with the opportunity than watch what Schaub has done with the opportunity.

YeaLikeRightNow
10-22-2013, 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger
In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.


And what he didn't do was:

1) Throw a Pick-6
2) Throw an interception
3) Maintain the Fetal Position under pressure
4) Have a bad play and go sob on the sideline

CloakNNNdagger
10-22-2013, 11:22 AM
Kubiak said he was most impressed with Keenum’s ability to run the offense and call plays despite the noise at Arrowhead Stadium. With Schaub getting closer to returning, Kubiak says he has a tough decision on which quarterback will start against Indianapolis on November 3.

“That’s a difficult call, either way, from that standpoint,” Kubiak said. “I’m going to look at it. Matt is back moving around a little bit today. We’ve got a bye week here. We have a couple of days to evaluate ourselves, evaluate our football team and see where we’re at and then I will do what I think is best for the team.”

Besides all the obvious reasons, after Case's admirable performance under the most difficult of circumstances, to put one-footed, INT and pic-6 specialist Schaub out there on national TV again will be the ultimate embarrassment for this team and this city...........a perceptual embarrassment that we are unlikely to recover from anywhere in the foreseeable future. And Kubiak will no longer be remembered for his glory days of a QB guru.........only for his stubbornness in sticking with a failed Houston "experiment."

http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/failed_experiment/failed_experiment.png

YeaLikeRightNow
10-22-2013, 11:46 AM
Besides all the obvious reasons, after Case's admirable performance under the most difficult of circumstances, to put one-footed, INT and pic-6 specialist Schaub out there on national TV again will be the ultimate embarrassment for this team and this city...........a perceptual embarrassment that we are unlikely to recover from anywhere in the foreseeable future. And Kubiak will no longer be remembered for his glory days of a QB guru.........only for his stubbornness in sticking with a failed Houston "experiment."

http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/failed_experiment/failed_experiment.png



Right On CND!

Almost as popularly infamous as The Butt Fumble!

The1ApplePie
10-22-2013, 11:53 AM
No. At the end of the day, the team landed on 16 points again, which (almost - they had a safety one time) always irritates me. But given the circumstances, I'm willing to see more. I'd rather see what Keenum can do with the opportunity than watch what Schaub has done with the opportunity.

At the end of the day, Keenum or Schaub, they are just holding down the fort until a franchise QB can be drafted next year. I'm good with either, though Keenum is at least fun to watch.

Brisco_County
10-22-2013, 11:56 AM
Considering Kubiak's risk/reward in this decision, Keenum will start.

What does Kubiak gain by winning with Schaub? It means we'd be back on track with a guy whose ceiling has been apparent for seven years, and who could melt down at any moment.

What happens if he loses with Schaub? Kubiak's seat gets a lot warmer.

Win with Keenum? We're exploring the hometown hero's talent, and games are exciting for fans and players again.

Lose with Keenum? We're exploring the hometown hero's talent, and games are exciting for fans and players again.

Porky
10-22-2013, 12:05 PM
We don't need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. On that side of the ball our biggest single need is competent offensive linemen who can pass protect. Everything else is fine as it is.

We have RB's. We have WR's. We have a fine young QB who can sling it, is accurate, and mobile. We just can't block worth a damn and that needs to be fixed ASAP. We have some kind of implosion going on over there and none of them look worth a damn right now. No one.

I dunno bout all dat. I think it's way, way too soon to declare Case as the heir apparent. If we draft about where I think we will, in the 6-10 range, we may very well have a chance at a franchise QB. You don't turn those down unless you have one. Now, if you think Case is a franchise QB, then pass them up....but personally it would take an awful lot to convince me that Case is the franshice QB we need to compete with Andrew Luck.

There are two kinds of teams in the NFL. Those with a QB and those without. And by QB I mean a franchise QB or close to it. Case may be serviceable, but serviceable isn't going to get you a Lombardi 99% of the time.

I liked what I saw and I think he deserves his shot. I would give him the rest of the year. My best educated guess is he proves himself to be a very good backup, spot starter, fireplug type of guy and he'll carve out a nice career doing that. I do not think he is a franchise type guy - but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 12:18 PM
I dunno bout all dat. I think it's way, way too soon to declare Case as the heir apparent. If we draft about where I think we will, in the 6-10 range, we may very well have a chance at a franchise QB. You don't turn those down unless you have one. Now, if you think Case is a franchise QB, then pass them up....but personally it would take an awful lot to convince me that Case is the franshice QB we need to compete with Andrew Luck.

There are two kinds of teams in the NFL. Those with a QB and those without. And by QB I mean a franchise QB or close to it. Case may be serviceable, but serviceable isn't going to get you a Lombardi 99% of the time.

I liked what I saw and I think he deserves his shot. I would give him the rest of the year. My best educated guess is he proves himself to be a very good backup, spot starter, fireplug type of guy and he'll carve out a nice career doing that. I do not think he is a franchise type guy - but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.

Showtime100
10-22-2013, 01:36 PM
Where did ATX go? :D

Porky
10-22-2013, 01:45 PM
What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.

Well it's still early and draft grades will rise and fall not too mention the impact of potential under classmen but this looks to be a really good draft for QB's. Perhaps rivaling 1983 - perhaps. Still to be seen.

Bridgewater will be gone. After that who knows. I agree that it's early, but to say flat out there will be no QB's worthy of a high to mid first round grade is also premature to say the least.

Porky
10-22-2013, 02:16 PM
What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.

The 2014 NFL Draft Could Be One Of The Best Quarterback Drafts Ever (http://www.businessinsider.com/2014-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-2013-10#ixzz2iToeCwDQ)

There might be nine quarterbacks in the 2014 NFL Draft who are good enough to be taken in the first round, an NFL scout told Sports Illustrated's Peter King.

That doesn't mean nine will be taken in Round One (not that many teams need QBs), but King says there are nine guys who could get "first round grades" from NFL scouts.



Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Aaron Murray, Georgia
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
AJ McCarron, Alabama
Tajh Boyd, Clemson
Zach Mettenberger, LSU
Braxton Miller, Ohio State
Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Derek Carr, Fresno State
Brett Hundley, UCLA*


It's worth noting that other draft prognosticators aren't as bullish on this group. ESPN's Mel Kiper only has Bridgewater, Hundley, and Mariota among his top-25. We also aren't 100% sure if the underclassmen on this list will come out.

But still, these are big, intriguing names, and everyone agrees they'll be better than last year's class.

Four of these ten guys (Manziel, Miller, Mariota, Hundley) are dual-threat players in the mold of Russell Wilson or RGIII. These types of non-traditional players have historically been downgraded on NFL draft boards, but that appears to be changing.

By our count there are eight teams that we can see taking a QB in the first round: Philadelphia, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, and Oakland.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 02:46 PM
The 2014 NFL Draft Could Be One Of The Best Quarterback Drafts Ever (http://www.businessinsider.com/2014-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-2013-10#ixzz2iToeCwDQ)

I know it's a deep class and I've watched them all play; I don't see a sure-fire franchise QB in the mold that you wanted.

They all have flaws, even the near-consensus Bridgewater.
His play under pressure remains questionable.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
10-22-2013, 02:55 PM
Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?

BullNation4Life
10-22-2013, 02:56 PM
I know it's a deep class and I've watched them all play; I don't see a sure-fire franchise QB in the mold that you wanted.

They all have flaws, even the near-consensus Bridgewater.
His play under pressure remains questionable.

Until I see Bridgewater actually play a good defense, I will not be convinced of his NFL future. I would go with almost any SEC QB before Bridgewater...

BullNation4Life
10-22-2013, 02:59 PM
Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?

I think you do exactly what the Redskins did, drafted RG3 then turned around and drafted Cousins in the 2nd round(?)

If Keenum is your guy for next year, still take a good QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick and have him in the waiting.

Hervoyel
10-22-2013, 03:01 PM
Well it's still early and draft grades will rise and fall not too mention the impact of potential under classmen but this looks to be a really good draft for QB's. Perhaps rivaling 1983 - perhaps. Still to be seen.

Bridgewater will be gone. After that who knows. I agree that it's early, but to say flat out there will be no QB's worthy of a high to mid first round grade is also premature to say the least.

It is still early and if we're lucky, and Gary Kubiak finds a clue we should have 9 more games to see if Case Keenum is the answer or just a placeholder.

Lots of football still to be played and while it may no longer be about the playoffs it is still about our future. In 9 games I think we'll know enough about Case Keenum to make a good decision.

If our brain trust is in fact capable of making a good decision and if they put him out there to see how he does. They might just give us 9 weeks of Matt Sloth and his amazing one-legged QB impersonation.

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 03:03 PM
Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?

I still think Kubiak is a "great" (all lower caps) offensive coordinator. Schaub was a 3rd round draft pick that excelled in Kubiak's system. I think Tj is smart enough to play in this system, at least for a back up.

I think Keenum is going to be great running this offense.

But you should always be drafting QBs, just like you should always be drafting OL, pass rushers, & CB.

I'd take a flyer on Freeman if he's taking vet minimum, just like taking a look at Lienart or Grossman & if I've got someone I like better than Tj I wouldn't hesitate to make the swap.

Hervoyel
10-22-2013, 03:04 PM
I think you do exactly what the Redskins did, drafted RG3 then turned around and drafted Cousins in the 2nd round(?)

If Keenum is your guy for next year, still take a good QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick and have him in the waiting.

I say that you have too many other needs to do that (if as you're saying we are convinced that Keenum is the guy to take the Texans there).

In that scenario I'm looking for a RT in the first if I can get him and an ILB in the second. I have no time for luxury item QB's who will sit on the bench behind Keenum. Yates can do that and an older veteran can do that behind Yates.

Maybe if one really falls. Maybe. Most likely though I wait until 2015 or later if I think Keenum is the second coming of Drew Brees.

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 03:14 PM
Lots of football still to be played and while it may no longer be about the playoffs it is still about our future.

Indy is still a winnable game at home.

Arizona, Jacksonville, & Oakland are as well. There's no reason we can't be 6-5 by the time we get to New England. Let's say we lose that one & we're 6-6.

We go to Jacksonville..... 7-6

Stranger things have happened, we might win in Indy.

Denver...... the secret is defense & ToP, same as it's always been. We can beat Denver at home. (or maybe they sit their starters, who knows?)

@Tennessee why not? 10-6.


A four game win streak, lose to New England, another 4 game win streak. Maybe we'll get a wild card & play Cincy on the road again.

Vinnie
10-22-2013, 03:36 PM
Holy crap, it just dawned on me, Case is going to cost us Manziel! Put Schaub in! :sarcasm:

drs23
10-22-2013, 03:56 PM
Case did not look like a deer in the headlights like Schaub despite his inexperience. There were no turtle sacks and he threw downfield. He had good pocket presence and actually got the team to show some emotion. He exhibited leadership qualities and was not a flatliner like Schaub & Yates. The crowd at Reliant would cheer for him and make it louder. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do. It would take a few games to see if he can be the starter.

I agree with your entire post right up to the bolded. Case Keenum showed me all I need to see that he has the tools to be a quality NFL starter. Granted, he needs a little more experience in order to cope with overloaded lines we saw late in the game but the man showed poise, moxie and the skills necessary to be a very capable starter in this league. I just hope Kubes can shake his man love for Schaub and do what he preaches. Doing what's best for the team.

I think we all saw what's best for the team at the QB position.

The youngster impressed the hell outta me and I don't think it was a fluke considering his debut arena.

Like others have preached (which I didn't really buy into), he has "IT". As has been pointed out prior if Graham and Nuk make a catch we have a comfortable win in one of the most hostile environments in the league.

I saw enough to become a believer.

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 04:26 PM
I agree with your entire post right up to the bolded. Case Keenum showed me all I need to see that he has the tools to be a quality NFL starter.

They generally act differently after they've taken a few good shots. I feel pretty good about him so far, but lets see what he looks like after a few more.

Thorn
10-22-2013, 04:26 PM
I've seen enough to know he's better that Schaub or Yates, and that's all I need to know for now.

jaayteetx
10-22-2013, 04:56 PM
I agree with your entire post right up to the bolded. Case Keenum showed me all I need to see that he has the tools to be a quality NFL starter. Granted, he needs a little more experience in order to cope with overloaded lines we saw late in the game but the man showed poise, moxie and the skills necessary to be a very capable starter in this league. I just hope Kubes can shake his man love for Schaub and do what he preaches. Doing what's best for the team.

I think we all saw what's best for the team at the QB position.

The youngster impressed the hell outta me and I don't think it was a fluke considering his debut arena.

Like others have preached (which I didn't really buy into), he has "IT". As has been pointed out prior if Graham and Nuk make a catch we have a comfortable win in one of the most hostile environments in the league.

I saw enough to become a believer.

Agree with most but the throw to Nuk was bad, it should've been to the outside shoulder away from coverage.

EllisUnit
10-22-2013, 05:03 PM
Anyone see the poll on ESPN.com, saying who should start for the texans if schaub is healthy .....LMAO i think people like to watch us lose.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/

Vance87
10-22-2013, 05:05 PM
Anyone see the poll on ESPN.com, saying who should start for the texans if schaub is healthy .....LMAO i think people like to watch us lose.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/

They're just woefully ignorant. If they followed this team closely since even 2011 they'd be voting for Keenum.

legacy_gt
10-22-2013, 06:27 PM
Anyone see the poll on ESPN.com, saying who should start for the texans if schaub is healthy .....LMAO i think people like to watch us lose.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/

have they looked at our record since last year after we lost to the new England?

look at the poll on chron.com....completely lopsided toward keenum

drs23
10-22-2013, 06:37 PM
MSR. Good post.

Got Rey for both of us. Very much agree.

EllisUnit
10-22-2013, 07:01 PM
have they looked at our record since last year after we lost to the new England?

look at the poll on chron.com....completely lopsided toward keenum

They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.

Brisco_County
10-22-2013, 07:25 PM
Anyone see the poll on ESPN.com, saying who should start for the texans if schaub is healthy .....LMAO i think people like to watch us lose.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/

Says a bunch of people who haven't watched the Texans all season. That poll is about as valuable as a BCS coaches poll.

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 08:01 PM
Anyone see the poll on ESPN.com, saying who should start for the texans if schaub is healthy .....LMAO i think people like to watch us lose.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/

Say that reminds me....... been a while since I've seen a power ranking thread.



:kitten:

EllisUnit
10-22-2013, 08:02 PM
Say that reminds me....... been a while since I've seen a power ranking thread.



:kitten:

noone brags about 26th place :goodluck:

Scooter
10-22-2013, 08:34 PM
They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.

i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.

EllisUnit
10-22-2013, 08:37 PM
i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing, i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.

No doubt it was really fun to watch. This was keenums first game, he will learn to since the pass rush better. I'm sure the game was still really fast for him, and even with it his first NFL game. He looked like a confident vet out there to me.

Best thing about it for me was seeing him run down the field jumping up and down after the TD pass to hopkins, i love the kids enthusiasm. He makes watching this team fun again.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:28 PM
Agree with most but the throw to Nuk was bad, it should've been to the outside shoulder away from coverage.

The coverage was to the outside.
The CB was looking for the outside fade.
Hopkins was looking to the inside all the way.
He had both hands on the ball.
The CB did a good job recovering and poke the ball out.
Hopkins, IMO, misjudge the flight of the ball by a hair; he wasn't able to use his body to shield the defender from the ball.
The ball placement was good; only Hopkins can catch the ball.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:31 PM
They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.

The Hail Mary was at least 50 yards; it headed right at Graham, but Jean had a hand on it first, only to tip it away.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:38 PM
i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.

Between the throw to Graham on the bootleg like you said, and the hail-Mary pass, I have no idea why some people, like Leebig, keep insisting that Keenum doesn't have the arm. I'm afraid I might go bald scratching my head.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:47 PM
No doubt it was really fun to watch. This was keenums first game, he will learn to since the pass rush better. I'm sure the game was still really fast for him, and even with it his first NFL game. He looked like a confident vet out there to me.

Best thing about it for me was seeing him run down the field jumping up and down after the TD pass to hopkins, i love the kids enthusiasm. He makes watching this team fun again.

He saw the pass rush alright.
He did one better; he ate a sack from an overload blitz by the DB because he realized that another defender was dropping back to try to intercept any pass to the hot route. That would have been a pick by Schaub; probably a pick-six too.

The Chiefs were baiting him there; they certainly knew about "our tendency".

The same thing happened on the first fumble.
Both Newton, and especially Brook, got beat right off the bat.
Keenum was trying to buy a little time for Graham to clear when the second guy got to him.
I would have liked for Keenum to take the sack right away there; that one was on him.

But think about it, if either Newton or Brook had done their job just a hair better (don't get beat so bad so quickly), Keenum would have made that play.

The second fumble was unfortunate.
Brown got beat to the inside, Keenum never had a chance to even get rid of the ball.
If he raises his arm; he would have been clobbered.

Rey
10-22-2013, 09:47 PM
The coverage was to the outside.
The CB was looking for the outside fade.
Hopkins was looking to the inside all the way.
He had both hands on the ball.
The CB did a good job recovering and poke the ball out.
Hopkins, IMO, misjudge the flight of the ball by a hair; he wasn't able to use his body to shield the defender from the ball.
The ball placement was good; only Hopkins can catch the ball.

Placement was good, not great.

It's really a minor thing but he could have put it a bit higher and not as far out front. But you're right, it was a good ball and right until he dropped it at the end I thought it was TD.

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 09:48 PM
Between the throw to Graham on the bootleg like you said, and the hail-Mary pass, I have no idea why some people, like Leebig, keep insisting that Keenum doesn't have the arm. I'm afraid I might go bald scratching my head.

I thought the throw to Graham was the only one that impressed me. They all had too much air under them. Those weren't throws I thought other QBs couldn't or haven't made.

But the one where he didn't get to set his feet, where it was all arm... that showed potential.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:50 PM
Remember the play where Keenum threw the ball at the feet of our guys?
He saw right away that the play was dead as a defender was waiting to intercept the quick pass; Keenum simply lived to played another down.
And some people complained about it. :kubepalm:

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:53 PM
Placement was good, not great.

It's really a minor thing but he could have put it a bit higher and not as far out front. But you're right, it was a good ball and right until he dropped it at the end I thought it was TD.

And so I didn't use the term "great".
Honestly, any time the receiver had both hands on the ball; it's a good throw.
Even Kubiak had to say that Hopkins caught that ball 9 out 10 times;
I prefer 29 out of 30 though.

76Texan
10-22-2013, 09:57 PM
I thought the throw to Graham was the only one that impressed me. They all had too much air under them. Those weren't throws I thought other QBs couldn't or haven't made.

But the one where he didn't get to set his feet, where it was all arm... that showed potential.

I keep saying that Keenum is a Walsh-type of QB, as opposed to a Madden-type of QB.

Madden wants his QB to zip it every time, not so with Walsh.
He only requires a throw on the rope when needed; otherwise, he wants a catchable ball.
Besides, Keenum is a short guy, he does need a little more lob to get the ball past the pass rusher.

Carr Bombed
10-22-2013, 10:22 PM
Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.

DocBar
10-22-2013, 10:53 PM
Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.It would've been a helluva catch. The ball could've been placed better, no doubt. I would say that both DHOP and Case wish they could run that play again. Growing pains. Better than seeing the death throes from Schaub.