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arb729
01-02-2013, 02:18 PM
I, like most of you, do not feel great about this team right now. But what would it take on Saturday to change those feelings?

Would you prefer this team win in a huge blowout Saturday (like the Baltimore game), or a gritty,solid performance that shows they still have their manhood (think Chicago game)? What about individual performances?

Edit: the games Saturday. Thanks for the reminder Shark.

Vinny
01-02-2013, 02:19 PM
What will it take to make you feel better about this team?

winning a game when something important is on the line.

ThaShark316
01-02-2013, 02:19 PM
Saturday, but I knew what you meant.

Anyway, give me the Ravens win and the Bears win the next 2 weeks before the game back here in Reliant vs. Baltimore...(SPOILER ALERT!)

jaayteetx
01-02-2013, 02:21 PM
Saturday, but I knew what you meant.

Anyway, give me the Ravens win and the Bears win the next 2 weeks before the game back here in Reliant vs. Baltimore...(SPOILER ALERT!)

Bears?

ThaShark316
01-02-2013, 02:22 PM
Bears?

The OP said wins like the Ravens game and the Bears game...

I'm saying I'll take wins over Cincy and NE that would be equal to those 2 games...

Rey
01-02-2013, 02:23 PM
Coming out and playing good football would be a start

jaayteetx
01-02-2013, 02:23 PM
To borrow from a once great franchise, "Just win baby".

Mr teX
01-02-2013, 02:25 PM
winning a game when something important is on the line.

This...meet the damn challenge for once.

Tailgate
01-02-2013, 02:26 PM
2 wins in the playoffs... AT LEAST one heck of a fight in the second round. But then I would be so upset cuz "we could of had em at home" type thinking.

Double Barrel
01-02-2013, 02:37 PM
What will it take to make you feel better about this team?

Win.

MistaRed
01-02-2013, 02:42 PM
Win.



Just that simple.

eriadoc
01-02-2013, 02:43 PM
A win won't do it for me. I predicted a first round win after the Pats game. While I admittedly feel worse about the team than I did even then, I have the same reasoning for demanding more than a win in order to feel good about this team. I want a win where the team comes out and establishes the running game at a good clip (4+ YPC). I want a win where the QB doesn't come out sleepwalking and wearing concrete cleats. I want a win where the defense doesn't surrender a high percentage of 3rd down conversions like they have been. I want a win where the team converts in the red zone instead of driving for FGs.

In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.

Perki-Perk
01-02-2013, 02:51 PM
In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.

I hope that's not too much to ask. For OUR sake as fans.

Vinny
01-02-2013, 02:52 PM
What will it take to make you feel better about this team?coming out of the tunnel in HS Letterman jackets while riding segways?

DX-TEX
01-02-2013, 02:58 PM
Complete and utter domination. Im talking a 55-3 shellacking. An ass beating so hard their grandkids will feel it. Complete curb stomping of Dalton that makes him consider early retirement. bengals defensive almost in tears with looks of complete shock.

Runner
01-02-2013, 02:58 PM
coming out of the tunnel in HS Letterman jackets while riding segways?

Don't be silly. Those jackets won't fit over the shoulder pads.

Double Barrel
01-02-2013, 03:03 PM
A win won't do it for me. I predicted a first round win after the Pats game. While I admittedly feel worse about the team than I did even then, I have the same reasoning for demanding more than a win in order to feel good about this team. I want a win where the team comes out and establishes the running game at a good clip (4+ YPC). I want a win where the QB doesn't come out sleepwalking and wearing concrete cleats. I want a win where the defense doesn't surrender a high percentage of 3rd down conversions like they have been. I want a win where the team converts in the red zone instead of driving for FGs.

In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.

While I certainly agree with everything you said, I thought the question was simple:

"What will it take to make you feel better about this team?"

That's somewhat of a loaded question, because when you're at the bottom, even a foot higher looks "up".

Obviously, your post coming true would make me feel great about the team, not just 'better'.

But I do not expect dominance. They haven't dominated anyone this season, including 2 win teams like the Jags. I'd be shocked if they could dominate a hot-streak team like the Bengals. I'd be a little surprise if the slumping Texans could just manage a win on Saturday.

Seņor Stan
01-02-2013, 03:04 PM
No margin of victory against the Bengals will have me feeling any better. The Ginger Ninja is not in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees class.

A victory against the Patriots will be the only thing that would make me fell better about this season.

Vinny
01-02-2013, 03:05 PM
Don't be silly. Those jackets won't fit over the shoulder pads. Bengals are pumping in Bulls on Parade when they practice. I'm looking for letter jackets next

https://twitter.com/IsraeliAndres/status/286565758685806592

deucetx
01-02-2013, 03:05 PM
Winning cures everything is a common saying and correct.

Though for me there is one other way. Show me that hunger of a team that never won again. The team that when the chips were down fought like an underdog and left it all on the field. I haven't seen that in weeks and it is what I miss. I have seen a team going through the motions and as soon as something doesn't work 'Oh well, here we go again' seems to be the look on their faces especially the offense. Play with some passion, some fire and hunger again.

Tired of seeing my quarterback dejected like someone stole his puppy. Tired of seeing offensive linemen standing and watching when the quarterback is sacked or running back stopped for a loss. Tired of seeing my running back falling from arm tackles (if he doesn't just slip on his own). Tired of seeing safeties with the look of 'Duh' as a pass goes over their head and so on and so on.

Bring back that passion and hunger we saw before the winning came this year and I will feel better.

JCTexan
01-02-2013, 03:16 PM
Complete and utter domination. Im talking a 55-3 shellacking. An ass beating so hard their grandkids will feel it. Complete curb stomping of Dalton that makes him consider early retirement. bengals defensive almost in tears with looks of complete shock.

This would definitely make me feel better. To make me truly happy, though? Following that up by going to Foxborough and getting some much needed revenge on Brady.

Say Watt
01-02-2013, 03:18 PM
A win won't do it for me. I predicted a first round win after the Pats game. While I admittedly feel worse about the team than I did even then, I have the same reasoning for demanding more than a win in order to feel good about this team. I want a win where the team comes out and establishes the running game at a good clip (4+ YPC). I want a win where the QB doesn't come out sleepwalking and wearing concrete cleats. I want a win where the defense doesn't surrender a high percentage of 3rd down conversions like they have been. I want a win where the team converts in the red zone instead of driving for FGs.

In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.

This.

Simply winning won't do it for me. We SHOULD beat the Bengals. Winning is simply doing what we should do against an inferior team. I want to see a blowout. I want to see Schaub rack up 300+ yards and 2 TDs, Arian with over 100 and a TD or two, and a solid defensive effort with at least 1 turnover.

Is that too much to ask? If so, I'm not sure when I will have faith in this team again.

ATXtexanfan
01-02-2013, 03:23 PM
Beat Bengals and stay within 10 of pats

Playoffs
01-02-2013, 03:23 PM
Today's NFL is all about the QB...

time to get a quality backup who fits the new mold in size/arm strength/leadership. (And yes, I'm still chirping about Cousins.)

DX-TEX
01-02-2013, 03:24 PM
Beat Bengals and stay within 10 of pats

Why? What is the point of being a fan if you accept this?

Personally I also want this to be Kubiaks pre-game speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoDvnebHRw

Vinny
01-02-2013, 03:24 PM
Beat Bengals and stay within 10 of patsthat makes you feel good about this season? Beating the effin' Bungles and losing to the Pats?

Hervoyel
01-02-2013, 03:27 PM
It's time to win. Just shut up and win.

Until they do that I'd rather not see the Segways, Jackets, and nicknames for the defense. I've got a nickname for them. "Guys that haven't won anything yet".

Not real catchy but it describes them perfectly.

Playoffs
01-02-2013, 03:29 PM
that makes you feel good about this season? Beating the effin' Bungles and losing to the Pats?

Agree, a "good showing" against the Patsies? It's the playoffs!(note the name)

Win and in, lose and leave.

Good showings aren't any better than a blowout loss.

Perki-Perk
01-02-2013, 03:30 PM
What will make me feel better about this team??

Hmmm

Quaaludes!

Vinny
01-02-2013, 03:31 PM
What will make me feel better about this team??

Hmmm

Quaaludes!:bravo:

ajohnson80
01-02-2013, 03:40 PM
1. a win
2. stop getting dumb drive killing penalties
3. oline block someone
4. tds instead of fgs
5. d stop giving up the big play

If all of those things happen then I feel confident that we won't be embarrassed like the last time we went to foxborough

TheMatrix31
01-02-2013, 03:42 PM
Winning by doing what are supposedly our strengths.

GP
01-02-2013, 03:50 PM
What will it take for me to feel better about this team?

Probably a quaalude chased with a 7&7.

But then again, everything tends to be pretty cool at that point.

I'm so severely pissed right now, STILL, that I could give a rat's ass about this game. In fact, they will have done us a bigger disservice by winning and then cratering in Foxborough next week. They're delaying our "moving on" moment.

I'm serious, too. No hyperbole. 112 days until the next meaningful Texans event.

Double Barrel
01-02-2013, 04:05 PM
It's time to win. Just shut up and win.

Until they do that I'd rather not see the Segways, Jackets, and nicknames for the defense. I've got a nickname for them. "Guys that haven't won anything yet".

Not real catchy but it describes them perfectly.

lol! at the nickname. :thumbup

Since they seem to like a song to go with their nicknames, I nominate "Nowhere Man" by the Beatles:

He's a real nowhere man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man please listen,
You don't know what you're missing,
Nowhere Man,the world is at your command!

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?


:sarcasm:

Thorn
01-02-2013, 04:12 PM
Re: What will it take to make you feel better about this team?

A new head coach.

HJam72
01-02-2013, 04:12 PM
They have to beat the Patriots in Foxborough. :kubepalm:
Otherwise, we're on to talking about what they have to do next year.

Marcus
01-02-2013, 04:17 PM
What will it take for me to feel better about this team?

Probably a quaalude chased with a 7&7.

But then again, everything tends to be pretty cool at that point.

I'm so severely pissed right now, STILL, that I could give a rat's ass about this game. In fact, they will have done us a bigger disservice by winning and then cratering in Foxborough next week. They're delaying our "moving on" moment.

I'm serious, too. No hyperbole. 112 days until the next meaningful Texans event.

Not often I agree with you GP, but I'm with you 100% on this one. I don't want to even watch the game, but the wife just told me she'll be pissed if I don't watch it with her.

Quaaludes? Oh YEAH!! :drool:

Kaiser Toro
01-02-2013, 04:26 PM
Get to the AFC Championship game. In one word, progress.

thunderkyss
01-02-2013, 04:27 PM
In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.

There's nothing that's going to make me believe we have a chance against the Patriots. I did not see that coming. They've got the twenty something ranked defense & we could barely move the ball. Up until then, we had issues. But nothing like that.

Nothing.

I'm already feeling good about our team, so I don't really need to see anything in particular Saturday.

I'm expecting a win.

thunderkyss
01-02-2013, 04:33 PM
We SHOULD beat the Bengals.

Why?

We're in the exact same spot as they are. They got to the play-offs as a wild card last year. They're a Wild Card again. They'll be trying to prove that they deserve to move on, that they've improved since last year.

I know this is Houston & we don't care about the other team, but they earned their way in.

No such thing as "SHOULD" in the play-offs.

TexansLucky13
01-02-2013, 04:35 PM
My expectation going into this season was an AFC Championship appearance. That has not changed.

C Madd
01-02-2013, 04:51 PM
No margin of victory against the Bengals will have me feeling any better. The Ginger Ninja is not in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees class.

A victory against the Patriots will be the only thing that would make me fell better about this season.

While it is true that Dalton isn't an elite QB, a large margin of victory would definitely make me feel better about the offense. Seeing that Houston can stop having drive ending penalties, score TDs instead of field goals and win a game would have me a lot more confident going into Foxborough.

Say Watt
01-02-2013, 04:54 PM
Why?

We're in the exact same spot as they are. They got to the play-offs as a wild card last year. They're a Wild Card again. They'll be trying to prove that they deserve to move on, that they've improved since last year.

I know this is Houston & we don't care about the other team, but they earned their way in.

No such thing as "SHOULD" in the play-offs.

Disagree. We are a better team than the Bengals. No question about it in my mind. Are we playing better than the Bengals? Of course not, but we are a better team.

But I do agree that they are a good team. I just happen to believe that with the talent we have on both sides of the ball, we SHOULD beat them. That doesn't mean we will.

mridge01
01-02-2013, 04:59 PM
Nothing. If they win, it's just a game they should have won. Win in Foxboro, then you've got something.

gwallaia
01-02-2013, 05:01 PM
Win or lose (notice the spelling of lose), I will not feel any different. If they win at New England the following week, Then I will feel good about this team.

klockWork
01-02-2013, 05:37 PM
Win or lose (notice the spelling of lose), I will not feel any different. If they win at New England the following week, Then I will feel good about this team.

Even if we beat NE I still wouldn't feel that good because this was the season we get to the SB. If we beat NE and lose in the conference game this will still be a setback season for us. Until we get to the SB I will feel better.

Giant Tiger
01-02-2013, 06:15 PM
No margin of victory against the Bengals will have me feeling any better. The Ginger Ninja is not in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees class.

A victory against the Patriots will be the only thing that would make me fell better about this season.

Exactly! A win against the Bengals means nothing if they get clobbered in New England.

ATXtexanfan
01-02-2013, 07:18 PM
Why? What is the point of being a fan if you accept this?

Personally I also want this to be Kubiaks pre-game speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoDvnebHRw

Umm you think your boy schaub goes montana on the pats

ATXtexanfan
01-02-2013, 07:21 PM
that makes you feel good about this season? Beating the effin' Bungles and losing to the Pats?

You expect us to beat the pats? Right. With your boy schaub? Only saying your boy cause you have a faith in him I don't understand

ATXtexanfan
01-02-2013, 07:23 PM
Why? What is the point of being a fan if you accept this?

Personally I also want this to be Kubiaks pre-game speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoDvnebHRw

Cause I accept schaub for what he is. Average. Do you expect him to play well enough to beat the Bengals and pats back to back.

fiasco west
01-02-2013, 07:43 PM
At this point, a competitive game against the Pats.

This means.

+Win against the Bengals
+Have a shot at the Pats. Meaning that it's a close game up into the 4th qtr. A big 4th qtr play determines the game.

They meet this and I would have considered it a successful season.

Texan_Bill
01-02-2013, 07:46 PM
Win or lose (notice the spelling of lose), I will not feel any different. If they win at New England the following week, Then I will feel good about this team.

I just hope we don't loose!!! :kitten:

Corrosion
01-02-2013, 08:29 PM
:trophy:


/end thread.

Norg
01-02-2013, 08:35 PM
go to NE and beat them and play well aganist denver

thats the only thing IMO

DX-TEX
01-02-2013, 08:45 PM
Cause I accept schaub for what he is. Average. Do you expect him to play well enough to beat the Bengals and pats back to back.

I think Schaub and Kubiak should be fired into the damn sun

Why did you quote me twice?

HTown2ATX
01-02-2013, 08:57 PM
Obviously a win against the Bengals comes first but to feel better about the team and season this year would require a win against the Pats and appearance in the AFC Championship game.

Short of that, this season was a failure IMO.

I'm not gonna shake weight all over myself about 12-4....this isn't an expansion franchise anymore.

All that said, I'll be ready and amped for Saturday I'm sure, but not like I was last year and not like I thought I would be this year.

:htown2atx: :twocents: :fans:

thunderkyss
01-02-2013, 09:40 PM
Disagree. We are a better team than the Bengals. No question about it in my mind. Are we playing better than the Bengals? Of course not, but we are a better team.


Sorry, I had you confused with those people who think our QB sucks, our defense is one dimensional, & our coach is in over his head.

My bad, it's just difficult keeping who's who & their positions straight on this board.

powda
01-02-2013, 09:45 PM
My bad, it's just difficult keeping who's who & their positions straight on this board.

I = doomsdayer

I'd be thrilled with a loss in the AFC championship game.

eriadoc
01-02-2013, 09:52 PM
Disagree. We are a better team than the Bengals. No question about it in my mind. Are we playing better than the Bengals? Of course not, but we are a better team.

Well, you kind of ARE the team you're playing like.

C Madd
01-02-2013, 10:57 PM
Why? What is the point of being a fan if you accept this?

Personally I also want this to be Kubiaks pre-game speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoDvnebHRw

http://i.imgur.com/LXv7x.jpg

midway
01-02-2013, 10:59 PM
If we make it to the AFCCG I'll feel better about the team. Otherwise they either were just treading water or reverting.

DX-TEX
01-02-2013, 11:43 PM
http://i.imgur.com/LXv7x.jpg

Bravo sir. BRAVO!

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 06:39 AM
Is there any chance that any of you people might have your expectations set just a tad too high?

Is it being realistic to go from winning your first ever playoff appearance to a Super Bowl appearance the following year? Has that ever even been done before?

I submit that many of you are wound way too tight and think that expecting a quality product means miracles. That going from 10-6 to 12-4 and winning the division and making the playoffs a second straight year is not an improvement. Hell many of you probably do not have as much passion, or put as much into your kids education as you do heaping your over inflated expectations on the Texans.

Am I happy with the way the team collapsed in the final weeks? Of course not. Will the world end because of it? No.

It seems to me that some of you cannot enjoy life and celebrate the good things and move on, and in fact you take it one step further. You trash your own team in some bizarre attempt to influence the powers that be into taking actions on your perception of the teams problems. You are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable also, because that supports your mental state and justifies your spineless attitude regarding your team.

You all rag on Schaub when he hangs his head after a bad series and sits on the bench and then turn around and do the exact same thing in here. Hanging your head, whining "woe is me" why is this happening to me? Why does my team suck?!

Perhaps your memories are so short that you have forgotten what it means to have a losing record every season... heck perhaps you have even forgotten what it felt like to have no NFL franchise to cheer for, to tailgate at, to love and to hate.

Perhaps you would feel better if Houston had no NFL franchise? Then you could focus all of your rage and hypocritical hysteria on more simpler things in life without having to worry about that horrible NFL franchise always bringing you down.

Get A Grip... Go Texans!

http://www.rock101klol.com/img/bengals-vs-texans-wildcard-weekend.jpg

thunderkyss
01-03-2013, 07:01 AM
I don't hang my head ... I'm ****ing pissed!

That's what I want to see not only out of Schaub but out of Kubiak in reaction to Matt doing stupid crap .... get ****ing pissed and go out and fix it!

Back when I used to get in fights all the time, my goal was always to get the other guy pissed. Pissed off people don't think straight & it's easier to whup their a$s.


It didn't always work that way, but it was a good theory. Actually, in my job today I notice I make more mistakes when I'm frustrated & pissed.

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 07:21 AM
I don't hang my head ... I'm ****ing pissed!

That's what I want to see not only out of Schaub but out of Kubiak in reaction to Matt doing stupid crap .... get ****ing pissed and go out and fix it!

Do you take the same approach when your car breaks down? Out there hitting it with wrenches, yanking wires out, grumbling what a POS the car is?

Getting pissed is the last thing you want to do because it keeps you from thinking clearly. Being emotional which is what being pissed is, is not conducive for clear, rational thought.

I think some of you have watched too many movies like "Any Given Sunday" where the coach goes out and screams and hollers at his players and have somehow confused those movies with reality.

While those kind of things work well in a drama, they do not tend to work to well with grown men. Just ask the Ravens players.

HJam72
01-03-2013, 07:22 AM
I do not care what my kid does in school, as long as he wins a SB as QB for the Texans by the time he is 25. :fans:


:jk:

Goatcheese
01-03-2013, 08:07 AM
I think a big group hug with the Texans cheerleader squad would really help me feel better about everything.

The line starts here.

http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2012/12-December/tempAP499009578457_21--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 08:12 AM
Or maybe we watched John Gruden, Bill Cowher, Vince Lombardi, Bum Phillips, Mike Ditka, Hank Stram, etc, etc.

Yeah, absolutely no reality there ...

I am glad your brought that up... Have you noticed that the coaches you named are no longer coaches in the NFL? They are dinosaurs and the game has moved on from that kind of coach.

76Texan
01-03-2013, 08:22 AM
There have been tons of highly successful mild-mannered coaches in the NFL.
Bill Walsh, George Seifert, Tom Landry, Joe Gibbs, Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlinson, to name a few.
There are still many today like Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, Leslie Frazier, etc.
Bill Belichik is also considered a mild-mannered guy, actually.

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 08:23 AM
Have you noticed all but Bum has a ring and Bum would most likely have one if the Renfro catch would have been called correctly? As far as Gruden and Cowher being dinosaurs ... c'mon man. They are the top names mentioned every year when coaching vacancies come up and would have HC jobs right now if they wanted them.

Yeah, back in those days when going over the middle meant you were taking you life in your own hands you needed that kind of fiery coach to motivate players to risk their health for a first down. It's not like that anymore bro.

In regards to your comments about Gruden and Cowher... Speculation. Nothing more. Media hype. Until it happens it is simply you speculating what people want, and even if it were to happen we would still have to wait and see if they were effective. Look at all the former HC's of those years who tried to coach in this era... They all failed, including one of my favorite coaches of all time "The Tuna". Bill Parcells and his magic could not even fix the Cowboys.

Bill Parcells could not even make it in the front office, and myself and many others respect him highly. Look at the Jets and the Dolphins.

gwallaia
01-03-2013, 08:30 AM
Call me selfish, but I want my team to win a Super Bowl sometime in my lifetime.

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 08:33 AM
Call me selfish, but I want my team to win a Super Bowl sometime in my lifetime.

Hey bro that is not selfish, that is a perfectly reasonable wish, but expecting them to win the very next year after their first ever playoff appearance is expecting a bit too much. As I asked... Has ANY team every done that? I doubt it.

All you can do is expect them to get better every year until they have what it takes to accomplish that. And like it or not, even the BEST teams have some luck involved in making it to a SB, or winning it.

76Texan
01-03-2013, 08:36 AM
Call me selfish, but I want my team to win a Super Bowl sometime in my lifetime.

Selfish, Nitrofish... Ya' make me want to go fishing, LOL!
I hope the Texans catch a big Tiger Fish this weekend! :texflag:

Kaiser Toro
01-03-2013, 08:44 AM
Hey bro that is not selfish, that is a perfectly reasonable wish, but expecting them to win the very next year after their first ever playoff appearance is expecting a bit too much. As I asked... Has ANY team every done that? I doubt it.

All you can do is expect them to get better every year until they have what it takes to accomplish that. And like it or not, even the BEST teams have some luck involved in making it to a SB, or winning it.

Oakland Raiders - 1st year
NY Jets - 1st year
Minnesota Vikings - 2nd year (9th season of play)

I stopped there.

gwallaia
01-03-2013, 08:48 AM
I was an Oiler fan for 25 years before they left for Nashville, I've been a Texan fan for 10 years. I have waited 35 years for a Super Bowl. I'm tired of waiting; I'm tired of hearing, "there's always next season."

So I am pissed this team has bent over and grabbed their ankles the last part of the season and crapped away home field advantage.

HOU-TEX
01-03-2013, 08:55 AM
I was an Oiler fan for 25 years before they left for Nashville, I've been a Texan fan for 10 years. I have waited 35 years for a Super Bowl. I'm tired of waiting; I'm tired of hearing, "there's always next season."

So I am pissed this team has bent over and grabbed their ankles the last part of the season and crapped away home field advantage.

Can't say it much better than this. I'm right there with ya.

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 08:58 AM
I was an Oiler fan for 25 years before they left for Nashville, I've been a Texan fan for 10 years. I have waited 35 years for a Super Bowl. I'm tired of waiting; I'm tired of hearing, "there's always next season."

So I am pissed this team has bent over and grabbed their ankles the last part of the season and crapped away home field advantage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsfaYvm_W4

badboy
01-03-2013, 09:03 AM
Is there any chance that any of you people might have your expectations set just a tad too high?

Is it being realistic to go from winning your first ever playoff appearance to a Super Bowl appearance the following year? Has that ever even been done before?

I submit that many of you are wound way too tight and think that expecting a quality product means miracles. That going from 10-6 to 12-4 and winning the division and making the playoffs a second straight year is not an improvement. Hell many of you probably do not have as much passion, or put as much into your kids education as you do heaping your over inflated expectations on the Texans.

Am I happy with the way the team collapsed in the final weeks? Of course not. Will the world end because of it? No.

It seems to me that some of you cannot enjoy life and celebrate the good things and move on, and in fact you take it one step further. You trash your own team in some bizarre attempt to influence the powers that be into taking actions on your perception of the teams problems. You are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable also, because that supports your mental state and justifies your spineless attitude regarding your team.

You all rag on Schaub when he hangs his head after a bad series and sits on the bench and then turn around and do the exact same thing in here. Hanging your head, whining "woe is me" why is this happening to me? Why does my team suck?!

Perhaps your memories are so short that you have forgotten what it means to have a losing record every season... heck perhaps you have even forgotten what it felt like to have no NFL franchise to cheer for, to tailgate at, to love and to hate.

Perhaps you would feel better if Houston had no NFL franchise? Then you could focus all of your rage and hypocritical hysteria on more simpler things in life without having to worry about that horrible NFL franchise always bringing you down.

Get A Grip... Go Texans!

http://www.rock101klol.com/img/bengals-vs-texans-wildcard-weekend.jpgWhy do you have only the two extremes 1. giddify (new word I made up just for you) or 2. No team? Why can I not comment on the things I do not like as well as what I do? I don't usually talk about posters' personal life but you attack others. Is your life so mundane and depressing that when a positive comes along you have to go overboard like a 15 year old girl at her quinceanera?

How can expectations be too high when we won division last season with so many injuries and backups like Yates offering us hope? Schaub, Watts and others give us a 11-1 season and you think our expectations are too high? We have 8 on Pro Bowl roster and we expect too much?

I am sure you are aiming your POV at the extremists but when I read your post you seem to be painting on a large canvas. How about taking on specific posters and debating with your facts/opinions?

When I have a bowel movement, I don't think about those good ones when everything went well with little effort, injury or loss of blood. I thoughtfully consider ways to make the next time a better experience.

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 09:26 AM
Why do you have only the two extremes 1. giddify (new word I made up just for you) or 2. No team? Why can I not comment on the things I do not like as well as what I do? I don't usually talk about posters' personal life but you attack others. Is your life so mundane and depressing that when a positive comes along you have to go overboard like a 15 year old girl at her quinceanera?

How can expectations be too high when we won division last season with so many injuries and backups like Yates offering us hope? Schaub, Watts and others give us a 11-1 season and you think our expectations are too high? We have 8 on Pro Bowl roster and we expect too much?

I am sure you are aiming your POV at the extremists but when I read your post you seem to be painting on a large canvas. How about taking on specific posters and debating with your facts/opinions?

When I have a bowel movement, I don't think about those good ones when everything went well with little effort, injury or loss of blood. I thoughtfully consider ways to make the next time a better experience.

I think that if my comments ruffled your feathers then you are probably one of the extremists the post was intended for.

It would be futile to take on every person who is letting their emotions get the better of themselves. It is a landslide of emotional over reactions in here. I was addressing those posters, and if my post struck a nerve with you, then perhaps you should examine your life and stop questioning the possible mundane nature of mine. That is a silly Jr High veiled insult that has no place in this discussion. Just more irrational, emotional baggage because your feelings were hurt.

You are the one who is being extreme not me... and if anyone is acting like a 15 year old girl at her quinceanera, it is you and the sissies who are crying and calling for the heads of those they feel are responsible.

As far as debating with facts... I have tried that, and if there is one thing I have learned in life, it's that you cannot have a rational discussion with someone who is being emotional, and irrational.

In regards to the number of pro bowlers we have, or what our record is... Why do those things suddenly have anything to do with your expectations. Everyone openly admits that Pro Bowl selections are a popularity contest, not something you can hang your Super Bowl aspirations on. The expectations of this team from a certain portion of the Texans fan base are WAY too high IMHO.

As far as your bowel movements go, that just too much information dude and I would ask that you kindly keep that to yourself. Relating your football team to your bowel movements concerns me on a number of levels.

FR0497
01-03-2013, 10:22 AM
Destroying the Bengals will be a good start. Beat NE next week and play their butts off against Denver in the AFCCG and I'll be satisfied.

Perki-Perk
01-03-2013, 11:12 AM
Is there any chance that any of you people might have your expectations set just a tad too high?

Is it being realistic to go from winning your first ever playoff appearance to a Super Bowl appearance the following year? Has that ever even been done before?

I submit that many of you are wound way too tight and think that expecting a quality product means miracles. That going from 10-6 to 12-4 and winning the division and making the playoffs a second straight year is not an improvement. Hell many of you probably do not have as much passion, or put as much into your kids education as you do heaping your over inflated expectations on the Texans.

Am I happy with the way the team collapsed in the final weeks? Of course not. Will the world end because of it? No.

It seems to me that some of you cannot enjoy life and celebrate the good things and move on, and in fact you take it one step further. You trash your own team in some bizarre attempt to influence the powers that be into taking actions on your perception of the teams problems. You are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable also, because that supports your mental state and justifies your spineless attitude regarding your team.

You all rag on Schaub when he hangs his head after a bad series and sits on the bench and then turn around and do the exact same thing in here. Hanging your head, whining "woe is me" why is this happening to me? Why does my team suck?!

Perhaps your memories are so short that you have forgotten what it means to have a losing record every season... heck perhaps you have even forgotten what it felt like to have no NFL franchise to cheer for, to tailgate at, to love and to hate.

Perhaps you would feel better if Houston had no NFL franchise? Then you could focus all of your rage and hypocritical hysteria on more simpler things in life without having to worry about that horrible NFL franchise always bringing you down.

Get A Grip... Go Texans!

Woah, we have a bad ass in here!!!

Tazwell
01-03-2013, 11:24 AM
To make me feel better? Limit penalties, have Matt Shaub not under throw
Open receivers, we have to convert on third downs and in red zone. There
Are a lot more but those are the most important. Even when we win and don't do these things I don't feel good about the team.

badboy
01-03-2013, 02:09 PM
I think that if my comments ruffled your feathers then you are probably one of the extremists the post was intended for.

It would be futile to take on every person who is letting their emotions get the better of themselves. It is a landslide of emotional over reactions in here. I was addressing those posters, and if my post struck a nerve with you, then perhaps you should examine your life and stop questioning the possible mundane nature of mine. That is a silly Jr High veiled insult that has no place in this discussion. Just more irrational, emotional baggage because your feelings were hurt.

You are the one who is being extreme not me... and if anyone is acting like a 15 year old girl at her quinceanera, it is you and the sissies who are crying and calling for the heads of those they feel are responsible.

As far as debating with facts... I have tried that, and if there is one thing I have learned in life, it's that you cannot have a rational discussion with someone who is being emotional, and irrational.

In regards to the number of pro bowlers we have, or what our record is... Why do those things suddenly have anything to do with your expectations. Everyone openly admits that Pro Bowl selections are a popularity contest, not something you can hang your Super Bowl aspirations on. The expectations of this team from a certain portion of the Texans fan base are WAY too high IMHO.

As far as your bowel movements go, that just too much information dude and I would ask that you kindly keep that to yourself. Relating your football team to your bowel movements concerns me on a number of levels.Go back & read your post that I quoted. You mention fans passion and raising of their kids. You truly don't think emotions are part of being a sports fan? man, read your own words. My feelings are not hurt when someone makes silly statements about other people's opinions in a generalized way. Pick out folks and be specific and I am willing to be the example if you choose. Take any of my posts, I have a few thousand and debate me. I think I can hang with you for a while at least.

You just come in and start spouting off YOUR OPINIONS. Well that is cool but allow others to express theirs. Yes there always some over and under reactions but state why you think so. You say you have tried debating with facts but I doubt that due to your post counts. I am not want to rag on new folks and have defended them and encouraged them on other threads.

It is too funny that you question others lives then tell me not to question yours.

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 02:46 PM
Go back & read your post that I quoted. You mention fans passion and raising of their kids. You truly don't think emotions are part of being a sports fan? man, read your own words. My feelings are not hurt when someone makes silly statements about other people's opinions in a generalized way. Pick out folks and be specific and I am willing to be the example if you choose. Take any of my posts, I have a few thousand and debate me. I think I can hang with you for a while at least.

You just come in and start spouting off YOUR OPINIONS. Well that is cool but allow others to express theirs. Yes there always some over and under reactions but state why you think so. You say you have tried debating with facts but I doubt that due to your post counts. I am not want to rag on new folks and habe defended them and encouraged them on other links.

It is too funny that you question others lives then tell me not to question yours.

Hold up there dude... I did not just come in and start spouting off... I read 4 1/2 pages (Almost 80) messages of agonizing, hysterical nonsense from the usual suspects about how the Texans suck and how they are doomed, and or cursed.

And this is just one single thread... there are many more out there with the same kind of hysterical mumbo jumbo so please spare me the drama about how I entered the thread and allowing others to express their opinions. I would say they have expressed them with great frequency since the loss in Indy.

Oh my post count... I see, so your post count is bigger than mine is that it? lol. Sorry dude but I do not measure my life based on post counts and I resent the fact that you insinuate that I have not made a contribution to the community with the time I have taken to comment.

If I come across posts of yours I feel like commenting on, I certainly will, but I have no desire to debate with irrational people about their hate for Kubiak and Schaub and how all of the Texans problems stem from those two individuals. I am not saying you are one of those people, but clearly that is who my post was intended for.

It was you who decided to chime in and champion for the poor beleaguered masses of Schaub\Kubiak haters so feverishly posting in this thread, so I can only assume that you are one of those unrealistic, hysterical people of which I was speaking. If not, perhaps you should choose your battles more carefully. :cry2:

Sure emotions are part of being a fan, but are you suggesting that there is no line that is crossed at some point where it is no longer emotion, but obsession? Come on dude, there has to be some kind of reasonable amount of emotional distress that a fan goes through after a tough finish like what happened to the Texans, but if you cannot see that is has crossed over into hysterical obsession than I pity you and anyone else who carries these things around with them on a daily basis. :choke:

It's just a game... Get over it. :texflag:

Not sure where I questioned anyone's lives, but if you say I did I must have. Much like if poster A says everything is Schaub's fault, or poster B says it is all Kubiak it must be true. :thinking:

Go ahead and call me names, make fun of me, judge me, question my life... The sun will still rise tomorrow and I will not lose a second of sleep because you base your self worth on your post count, or join date. :lol:

badboy
01-03-2013, 03:19 PM
Hold up there dude... I did not just come in and start spouting off... I read 4 1/2 pages (Almost 80) messages of agonizing, hysterical nonsense from the usual suspects about how the Texans suck and how they are doomed, and or cursed.

And this is just one single thread... there are many more out there with the same kind of hysterical mumbo jumbo so please spare me the drama about how I entered the thread and allowing others to express their opinions. I would say they have expressed them with great frequency since the loss in Indy.

Oh my post count... I see, so your post count is bigger than mine is that it? lol. Sorry dude but I do not measure my life based on post counts and I resent the fact that you insinuate that I have not made a contribution to the community with the time I have taken to comment. You said the following with 133 posts. It does not seem to me that that amount has allowed you to debate anyone. That is the only reason I mentioned them As far as debating with facts... I have tried that, and if there is one thing I have learned in life, it's that you cannot have a rational discussion with someone who is being emotional, and irrational

If I come across posts of yours I feel like commenting on, I certainly will, but I have no desire to debate with irrational people about their hate for Kubiak and Schaub and how all of the Texans problems stem from those two individuals. I am not saying you are one of those people, but clearly that is who my post was intended for.

It was you who decided to chime in and champion for the poor beleaguered masses of Schaub\Kubiak haters so feverishly posting in this thread, so I can only assume that you are one of those unrealistic, hysterical people of which I was speaking. If not, perhaps you should choose your battles more carefully. :cry2:

Sure emotions are part of being a fan, but are you suggesting that there is no line that is crossed at some point where it is no longer emotion, but obsession? Come on dude, there has to be some kind of reasonable amount of emotional distress that a fan goes through after a tough finish like what happened to the Texans, but if you cannot see that is has crossed over into hysterical obsession than I pity you and anyone else who carries these things around with them on a daily basis. :choke:

It's just a game... Get over it. :texflag:

Not sure where I questioned anyone's lives, but if you say I did I must have. Much like if poster A says everything is Schaub's fault, or poster B says it is all Kubiak it must be true. :thinking:

Go ahead and call me names, make fun of me, judge me, question my life... The sun will still rise tomorrow and I will not lose a second of sleep because you base your self worth on your post count, or join date. :lol:It is obvious you don't want anyone calling you out for doing the same thing you blame others for. You want to state your opinion & you did make comments about how far a person should allow their emotions to take them. That is not for you to restrict. Some over react but maybe you are under reacting. I am simply saying don't attack people without using specifics. To me you are what you protest.

ObsiWan
01-03-2013, 03:31 PM
Woah, we have a bad ass in here!!!

hahahahahaha

Naaah... just another opinionated, frustrated, irritated Texan fan.
Just like the rest of us.

Having said that, in my experience, trying to tell someone to calm down when their anger/frustration levels have clearly gone "Off-Scale-High, only seems to incite them further.

Give them time.

The logical folks will eventually calm down and move on. The grudge-holders never will; they'll just wait for a new chance to strike.

And there are points to be made on both sides of the discussion. One just has to be receptive enough to hear them.
Just my :twocents:

Nitrofish
01-03-2013, 03:33 PM
It is obvious you don't want anyone calling you out for doing the same thing you blame others for. You want to state your opinion & you did make comments about how far a person should allow their emotions to take them. That is not for you to restrict. Some over react but maybe you are under reacting. I am simply saying don't attack people without using specifics. To me you are what you protest.

lol.. Call me out all you want bro. The fact is I did not attack anyone. That was the whole point of not singling anyone out. I left it up to the reader to decide if I was referring to them. You responded so it would be reasonable to think you might be one of those people.

Perhaps I am under reacting, but you do not have to wade through hundreds of posts of hysterical under reactions, so I would hope you could see that, and admit it has gotten way out of control.

I do not have the power to restrict anyone, nor would I if I had the power to do so. All I am doing is asking the hysteria to stop and come back to reality.

That is not to say anyone has to pay any attention to what I say, and since I have been a member here for 2 years now, and lurking many years before that, I can say with great confidence that those to whom I was attempting to reach out to will continue to be Schaub\Kubiak haters and will continue to be obsessive about their views regarding the a fore mentioned individuals no matter what I say.

Surreal McCoy
01-03-2013, 04:13 PM
Hold up there dude... I did not just come in and start spouting off... I read 4 1/2 pages (Almost 80) messages of agonizing, hysterical nonsense...

And yet that's only the tip of the iceberg around here...:spin:

GP
01-03-2013, 04:43 PM
Woah, we have a bad ass in here!!!

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee119/1nt3rc3pt0r/Meme/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

Norg
01-03-2013, 05:07 PM
Fire Marcenio right now

off season Fires i would like to see

ST coach fired

Kicker and Punter Fired
half the scrubs on ST fired


Fine some way to upgrade

Shaun cody

ILB

TE's

and depending on how foster plays in the playoffs FIRE HIM 2 WHy not

C Madd
01-03-2013, 05:40 PM
Fire Marcenio right now

off season Fires i would like to see

ST coach fired

Kicker and Punter Fired
half the scrubs on ST fired


Fine some way to upgrade

Shaun cody

ILB

TE's

and depending on how foster plays in the playoffs FIRE HIM 2 WHy not

The ST coach is Marciano, so if he was fired now it would be hard to fire him again in the off-season. Though, with the way that the Special Teams have played he probably deserves to be fired twice.

As far as punter, I feel that Donnie Jones has done an ok job so far this year. He's no Andy Lee, but he's done well enough to keep his job. I do agree with the upgrading ILBs and DTs and kicker, though. Hopefully, Bullock will step in next year and take the job from Graham.

I'll just pretend that you didn't make the Foster comment. :)

powda
01-03-2013, 10:01 PM
Is there any chance that any of you people might have your expectations set just a tad too high?

Is it being realistic to go from winning your first ever playoff appearance to a Super Bowl appearance the following year? Has that ever even been done before?

I submit that many of you are wound way too tight and think that expecting a quality product means miracles. That going from 10-6 to 12-4 and winning the division and making the playoffs a second straight year is not an improvement. Hell many of you probably do not have as much passion, or put as much into your kids education as you do heaping your over inflated expectations on the Texans.

Am I happy with the way the team collapsed in the final weeks? Of course not. Will the world end because of it? No.

It seems to me that some of you cannot enjoy life and celebrate the good things and move on, and in fact you take it one step further. You trash your own team in some bizarre attempt to influence the powers that be into taking actions on your perception of the teams problems. You are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable also, because that supports your mental state and justifies your spineless attitude regarding your team.

You all rag on Schaub when he hangs his head after a bad series and sits on the bench and then turn around and do the exact same thing in here. Hanging your head, whining "woe is me" why is this happening to me? Why does my team suck?!

Perhaps your memories are so short that you have forgotten what it means to have a losing record every season... heck perhaps you have even forgotten what it felt like to have no NFL franchise to cheer for, to tailgate at, to love and to hate.

Perhaps you would feel better if Houston had no NFL franchise? Then you could focus all of your rage and hypocritical hysteria on more simpler things in life without having to worry about that horrible NFL franchise always bringing you down.

Get A Grip... Go Texans!

http://www.rock101klol.com/img/bengals-vs-texans-wildcard-weekend.jpg

You sir, are stupid. You come to a forum knowing full well what to expect. Fans either elated or pissed depending on the last games outcome. Your critical of fans who care and their opinions, and then pass your golden opinion off as if it's scripture from the mountain top. Your pissed because after 11 seasons we dont settle for a trash performance? Your pissed because after showing how talented and dominant this team can be, the team has begun to play like it's a perennial loser again? 2 months ago our team was brutalizing competition. The players, coaches, and scheme havent changed and we expect more from them because they TAUGHT us to expect more. Just once in my life I want to know what rooting for a superbowl champion feels like. If you think being overly critical is a problem for us fine. I think settling for sub par play and mediocrity in your team is also a deep seated problem with anything you do. We b*tch because we care. If you can't cope with that, don't come to a message board.

Thorn
01-04-2013, 12:50 AM
Texanstalk.com is a fairly topic specific internet BBS and Nitrofish is wondering why folks who post here are fanatic about the subject matter. I'm thinking Nitrofish is the one who needs to get a grip on reality.

Borowicz50
01-04-2013, 02:33 AM
Mostly I just read these posts but today I decided I would put my 2 cents in. The following is how I feel the Texans Coaches & Players along with all of the fans should feel about this Saturday.

WIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgPrtOxvK4)

A time to chill
01-04-2013, 10:05 PM
I wonder what the chances are of the Texans hiring a new offensive coordinator in the offseason. I would feel better if Kubiak handed those duties over to someone like Norv Turner. But that's probably not going to happen.

imatexan
01-04-2013, 10:29 PM
You sir, are stupid. You come to a forum knowing full well what to expect. Fans either elated or pissed depending on the last games outcome. Your critical of fans who care and their opinions, and then pass your golden opinion off as if it's scripture from the mountain top. Your pissed because after 11 seasons we dont settle for a trash performance? Your pissed because after showing how talented and dominant this team can be, the team has begun to play like it's a perennial loser again? 2 months ago our team was brutalizing competition. The players, coaches, and scheme havent changed and we expect more from them because they TAUGHT us to expect more. Just once in my life I want to know what rooting for a superbowl champion feels like. If you think being overly critical is a problem for us fine. I think settling for sub par play and mediocrity in your team is also a deep seated problem with anything you do. We b*tch because we care. If you can't cope with that, don't come to a message board.


"We b*tch because we care"

Well b*tches b*tch so what does that make you?

Harsh? I could care less I am so tired of these fair weather fans, all of sudden 12-4 isn't good enough and its being called mediocre.

Some of you remind me of Pats fans and I really hope the fan base does not go in that direction.

Am i disappointed Of course but I am also REALISTIC and know that we are not some terrible team that will get killed tomorrow.

:handshake:

GP
01-04-2013, 10:38 PM
Nothing. I'm ruined until this time next year.

You guys will have to create fantasy situations that'll never happen, without me, because this team got to a critical growing point and has been found to be planted in bad soil with a hot sun on it and little rainfall to sustain it.

Until Kubiak is gone, we'll have Schaub (and Kubiak). When both those guys ate gone, I'll be happy again...because it will be something new, not something horribly predictable...followed by more "ways we can be happy?" moments here.

I'm seeing shades of the David Carr days here. "Let's have positive energy!" threads. "What would make you feel better about this team?" threads. Etc. If that doesn't point toward a bleak ending for fans and Kubiaub, I don't know what else does. I've seen this movie before.

If Bob McNair fired Gary after we get ousted in the playoffs (which is a matter of when, not if) I'll be instantly happy. Could we end up being worse? Yes. But I won't have to watch knowing exactly how we'd be worse.

And for me, I just want diversity and surprise to return; to watch a game and genuinely not expect the Schitty Schaub Throw(s) Of The Game at the worst possible moment, or to not see a draw or screen on 3rd and forever, etc.

All we have now is a frustrated HC trying to do what opponents won't let him do to them. I need to see that HC exit his office and the podium forever.

And nobody bawl me out over what I'm saying, either. The thread asked what'd make me feel better about this team...here's my answer. Like it or ignore it, but I stated my answer.

Austrian
01-04-2013, 10:59 PM
How about coming out firing on all cylinders. This team ain't bad, it just lacks confidence. If the Texans beat the Bengals everything is possible. To all the doom and gloomers: Yeah I'm down too, but this Texans team is the best football team Houston's ever had. Everything is possible in the play-offs. The course of Houston football teams doesn't matter. This team is different. I'm all in. Go Texans!! Go for the Lombardy trophy.

gafftop
01-04-2013, 11:30 PM
Getting a legitimate QB under center.

Matt is the exact opposite of a play maker. Anybody see Cotton Bowl tonight .
Landry kind of reminded me of Matt. Steady but not a playmaker. Of course he looks like an olympian compared to Matt when it comes to athletic ability.
You may be able to get away with a Matt type QB during the regular season against inferior competition with your D getting turnovers and tds but once that stops as it has and you play better teams you need the QB to step up and make plays. MS cannot do this I don't think. You need a QB that can buy time, create/improvise , see the field, stay cool, and more and I don't see Matt doing any of this. Anybody have stats on if the Texans have a penalty of a negative play what % of the time the drive continues or stalls. Just rambling now.

I agree with above we need a legitimate QB.Also a better Oline, healthy Lbs, someone not named Barwin the poser, a couple better coaches, a real number 2 wr, sorry starting to ramble again.

A win would be great tomorrow but an absolute whipping may be better in the long run.

thunderkyss
01-04-2013, 11:43 PM
A win would be great tomorrow but an absolute whipping may be better in the long run.

I agreed with your post more or less. Up until that point.

Nothing wrong with criticizing, but this is just stupid.

powda
01-04-2013, 11:59 PM
"We b*tch because we care"

Well b*tches b*tch so what does that make you?

Harsh? I could care less I am so tired of these fair weather fans, all of sudden 12-4 isn't good enough and its being called mediocre.


You cheese dick. Now your bitchin about me so I guess we're in the same boat aren't we?Fair weather fans dont root for the team to win in a 2-14 season. Clearly the problem here is your misinterpreting constructive criticism for some fly by night entourage. You will find a few fairweather fans here no doubt, but blink and they'll be gone...I guess you should say goodbye now if your around long enough to read this post.

imatexan
01-05-2013, 12:13 AM
You cheese dick. Now your bitchin about me so I guess we're in the same boat aren't we?Fair weather fans dont root for the team to win in a 2-14 season. Clearly the problem here is your misinterpreting constructive criticism for some fly by night entourage. You will find a few fairweather fans here no doubt, but blink and they'll be gone...I guess you should say goodbye now if your around long enough to read this post.

Hahahaha cheese dick.

bckey
01-05-2013, 07:00 AM
A win in New England. The Texans got to the 2nd round last year with a 3rd string qb. Anything less is a step backwards.

Hervoyel
01-05-2013, 08:02 AM
I swear I am not making this up.

I woke up today from a nightmare where the Texans were in a fight for their lives for the AFC South title with the Colts (2013) and Andrew Luck went down with a game ending injury. Everyone was suitably serious and somber about it as he was carted off the field and then a previously unknown Manning ran out and led the Colts to the win. We were all trying to figure out who he was and when the Colts signed him but nobody had ever heard of him before. It wasn't the other brother. It was like he just magically appeared.

That pretty much tells me that the Colts are living in my head rent-free. Last week I woke up optimistic and the Texans crapped the bed. This week I woke up in a cold sweat sure they'd lose. Who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.

Surreal McCoy
01-05-2013, 08:08 AM
What will it take to make you feel better about this team?

1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!

Grams
01-05-2013, 08:24 AM
No margin of victory against the Bengals will have me feeling any better. The Ginger Ninja is not in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees class.

A victory against the Patriots will be the only thing that would make me fell better about this season.

This.

coltfan123
01-05-2013, 08:52 AM
I swear I am not making this up.

I woke up today from a nightmare where the Texans were in a fight for their lives for the AFC South title with the Colts (2013) and Andrew Luck went down with a game ending injury. Everyone was suitably serious and somber about it as he was carted off the field and then a previously unknown Manning ran out and led the Colts to the win. We were all trying to figure out who he was and when the Colts signed him but nobody had ever heard of him before. It wasn't the other brother. It was like he just magically appeared.

That pretty much tells me that the Colts are living in my head rent-free. Last week I woke up optimistic and the Texans crapped the bed. This week I woke up in a cold sweat sure they'd lose. Who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.

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76Texan
01-05-2013, 09:20 AM
1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!
The NFL has a hard cap salary structure. The Texans have been right up there every year.

That was why we had to let some of them go.

Teams that don't spend all of the cap room can roll it over toward next year.
That was the situation of the Broncos when they were able to afford Manning; however, they will have difficulty managing their cap space next year and will have to let a few players walk. (They have some players that will be high-price FAs.)

gafftop
01-05-2013, 09:22 AM
I agreed with your post more or less. Up until that point.

Nothing wrong with criticizing, but this is just stupid.



I did say a win would be great. I liked your detailed comment on one of my other posts.

I guess I think MS(for sure) and GK (possibly) are not the ones to get the Texans to a Super Bowl win. I don't think MS can change. He has limited skills. He will always be a game manager at best. Unless the Texans are superior in many of the other phases of the game (line play, defense, etc) like last year MS will be the difference. Where do you think MS ranks in QBs left in playoffs.

GK can change because his is not a physical problem but mental but I am not sure he will change.

I guess I don't want to continue as is(in limbo) when I think there is no realistic hope to be a Super Bowl winner.

We extended MS (huge mistake) and GK before the season and the only way a change will happen under these conditions is if it is OBVIOUS OBVIOUS to all what our shortcomings are.

If you do not agree with me on MS and GK or if your goal is just to make the playoffs then I understand completely why you think my last statement in my previous post is idiotic.

No offense taken.

I hope I eat my words after the NE game.

ArlingtonTexan
01-05-2013, 10:09 AM
1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!

So essentially you want Jim Schwartz, Phillip Rivers and Jerry Jones.

Honestly, outward of emotions are the single thing fans overrate. Grown men don't need someone yelling at them (most of the time), they need someone (head coach/QB) offering solutions to how the play better. Mike singletary tried to fire up his teams with motivational techniques, but when they asked what's the best way to pick up a blitz he had nothing. Give me the guy that knows something over the screamer.

You are not paying attention if you think bob McNair is cheap. he misspends money and does not generally sign the specific guys fans want, but the texans have gotten into salary cap trouble multiple times in barely over a decade.

eriadoc
01-05-2013, 07:46 PM
A win won't do it for me. I predicted a first round win after the Pats game. While I admittedly feel worse about the team than I did even then, I have the same reasoning for demanding more than a win in order to feel good about this team. I want a win where the team comes out and establishes the running game at a good clip (4+ YPC). I want a win where the QB doesn't come out sleepwalking and wearing concrete cleats. I want a win where the defense doesn't surrender a high percentage of 3rd down conversions like they have been. I want a win where the team converts in the red zone instead of driving for FGs.

In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.

Well, they improved and did some of the things I mentioned. The defense played the best game we've seen in at least a month. The run game was much, much better. Unfortunately, Schaub didn't do anything to alleviate my growing doubt about him. One TD and four FGs doesn't instill a ton of confidence in me either.

So .... meh. I still don't feel better about the team. But I've used the heart vs. head analogy before, and today my heart is happy. I'll worry about my head tomorrow.

Rufus Jarvis
01-06-2013, 02:56 AM
We are a better team than the Bengals. No question about it in my mind. Are we playing better than the Bengals? Of course not, but we are a better team.

But I do agree that they are a good team. I just happen to believe that with the talent we have on both sides of the ball, we SHOULD beat them. That doesn't mean we will.

Pretty spot on (imo).

Am glad it worked out.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 09:18 AM
nonsense

Dude.... you really need to get out more.

1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

Sounds like you want Rex Ryan

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

Sounds like you want Phillip Rivers

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!

Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. FAs, especially the big named FAs do not want to come to Houston (depending on how far we go in the play offs, that's probably going to change soon). All we've got to offer them is a world class weight room.

& I don't know what Bob's got to do to convince you, & those like you, that he isn't afraid to spend money.

HJam72
01-06-2013, 09:27 AM
Here's what Bob needs to realize: you are not going to win championships in this league by just having the best "team" or by spending on "it." You need a HC with cancer, a pretty-boy, super-popular QB (who isn't David Carr, nice try though), a half-dozen players who were mistreated or starving as children (and the whole world knows it, or it's no good), etc. You need a referee influencer, and you will not win crap until you have one. Your best shot is just finding a QB that people want to watch, but he has to be good too. Carr sucked, Young would've sucked, but they actually would have been and were good tries, because you gotta have all the fans across the country rooting for your team after their's is already knocked out.

Who?

Heck if I know. First thought? Maybe Manziel in a few years. Maybe he isn't a good enough passer, but he would be an influencer if he can do it--and THAT is worth far more than whether he fits in Kubiak's system or not, and whether Kubiak is the best HC or not. It doesn't matter. Find your influence.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 09:49 AM
I did say a win would be great.

True. But nothing is going to convince McNair to move on from Gary. Nothing is going to convince Kubiak to move on from Schaub. Not a but whup'n of any kind.



I guess I think MS(for sure) and GK (possibly) are not the ones to get the Texans to a Super Bowl win.

I guess I don't want to continue as is(in limbo) when I think there is no realistic hope to be a Super Bowl winner.

I didn't "really" get excited about the Texans until they hired Kubiak, for two reasons

I was relieved to see that McNair understood something had to change & did something.

I liked the Capers hire, I didn't think Capers was the "main" problem. I think firing Capers & keeping Caserly was the wrong move. But, it was something.

I didn't like that Capers continued to start Carr (that was his biggest problem) & I always felt that decision was above his pay-grade. Kubiak coming in being hamstrung by that same mistake was evidence of such.

I've always loved the Denver offense; well, since I can remember


The Colts with Manning was also another favorite of mine, as was the Rams greatest show on turf. But the Denver offense "seemed" more repeatable & less dependent on that once in a lifetime HOF QB.

We extended MS (huge mistake) and GK before the season and the only way a change will happen under these conditions is if it is OBVIOUS OBVIOUS to all what our shortcomings are.

Before Kubiak's first season I had no idea if he could do the job. After his first season, I knew he was in over his head; at least on gameday.

But two things impressed me.

The deal with the devil to start Carr appeared to have caveats attached

Yeah, he had to start Carr, but if not for a freak injury (kinda funny how that phrase continues to haunt us) Carr would not have finished 2006 as our starting QB. I've seen coaches go down with the ship doing what the owner wants. This case, it looked (to me anyway) that Kubiak was able to negotiate a way out. I liked that.

I've never seen anyone with that much control over his locker room

Bill Bellichick controls his locker room, but it's different. With Bellichick, iron hands them, shuts the door, & zips the lips. For Gary's first 2 or three years it was like everyone repeated word for word what Gary told them. They bought his message, they "believed" what he was telling them. Top to bottom, GM to waterboy. They said what Kubiak said & that was impressive to me.




If you do not agree with me on MS and GK or if your goal is just to make the playoffs then I understand completely why you think my last statement in my previous post is idiotic.

It's not that I don't agree with you, it's that I don't know. I still see Kubiak growing as a head coach & I still see Schaub growing as a QB. It sucks that is the way it is. But that's the way it goes. Bellichick was not the guy we see today when he took over in New England. He lucked into Brady & Viniterri but he's grown & changed as the years have gone by. His offense is totally different than what it was back then. His defense is totally different, the way he approaches the game..... all different. I believe those changes happened because they had to. He learned, adapted, and became the HC he is now.

Brady has changed as well. He's a much better QB than he was in 2002.

Matt's a 10 year veteran & shouldn't be "learning" anymore, he is who he is. I agree. But when I say he's still "growing" I mean he's learning how to handle success & expectations. That's the only area I see that he is severely lacking. All that other stuff can be overcame if he'd just play his game & not let "prime-time" & huge expectations get to him.

I'll try an analogy;
Eddie Murphy is funny. People tell him he's funny all the time. He's been called the funniest man alive many many times, won all kinds of awards, etc, etc.... but he comes out & he's just himself, & he's still funny.... because he's funny.

Tracey Morgan isn't funny. I get the feeling that someone told him one day that he was funny & he's spent the rest of his life "trying" to be funny. So he still gets a laugh every now & then, because he's trying to be funny. But it's not natural, like it is with Richard Pryor, or Adam Sandler.

I think if Matt would quit "trying" to be a great QB & just be the best QB he can be, all that other stuff would work itself out. I've seen him play at a high level (2009, we've seen spurts in 2010 & 2011), he was great in Denver. Not good, great. So I know it's in him.



No offense taken.

I hope I eat my words after the NE game.

I meant no offense, but I hope you do eat your words.