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thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 04:13 AM
Maybe some of you remember my other thread, "5 best teams in the NFL (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2078113#post2078113)" Here's my last list:



Patriots
Giants
Texans
Broncos
Atlanta



Two things have changed since then.

The Giants aren't in the play offs
We all saw the Giants as one of the 5 best teams in the NFL. What happened? Were we wrong? Or did they just run into some bad luck?
Atlanta kicked their arse
I didn't think Atlanta had it in them. But they made a statement. They definitely have moved up in the top 5 of the NFL.


However, for this list I wanted to do a top 4 of the AFC. Figured I'd probably have to do a top 12 or top 15 in the NFL to keep the Texans on your list. & to keep it relevant, who are your top 4 of the AFC? Mine.......


Denver
Patriots
Baltimore
Indianapolis


Now, I mentioned earlier that we all thought the Giants were one of the top 5 teams in the NFL. Just two weeks ago, I wasn't alone with that thought. Missing the play offs haven't changed my mind about who they are. They'll be back next year & they'll make another run.

Same thing with the Texans. We don't have their history, but the fact remains the same. When the Texans are doing what they do to the best of their ability, they are a hard out. That's only true for a handful of teams. They may not be top 5 in the NFL, but they're still pretty damn good.

So, if you look at my list of top 4 in the AFC, you'll see the Texans aren't on it. Simply put, they are not playing like a top 5 team right now. But even saying that, doesn't mean I think the Texans will be 1 & done in the 2012 play-offs. I honestly don't know, but either the Bengals or the Texans will. Neither of them are on my top 4 list.

Baltimore will play Indianapolis. One of the teams that I think is better than the Texans will be eliminated from the play offs without us playing them. The winner of that game will go & play Denver the following week. Only one of those teams will advance. Another team that I think is better than the Texans will be eliminated without the Texans having to play them.

Just saying.

Who are your top 4 teams in the AFC right now?

ajohnson80
12-31-2012, 11:42 AM
1.Patriots
2.Broncos
3.does it matter?
4." "

Thorn
12-31-2012, 11:52 AM
1.Patriots
2.Broncos
3.does it matter?
4." "

This.

JCTexan
12-31-2012, 02:01 PM
1. Broncos
2. Patriots
3. Ravens
4. Bengals
5. Colts
6. Texans

Yeah, that's what I'm going with until Houston proves me wrong. :bat:

gg no re
01-01-2013, 01:10 PM
1. Broncos
2. Patriots
3. Ravens
4. Bengals
5. Colts
6. Texans

Yeah, that's what I'm going with until Houston proves me wrong. :bat:
I'd knock down the Ravens to a tie or below us. Despite how bad our offense has been lately, it wasn't bad enough for an OC to get fired late in the season.

thunderkyss
01-01-2013, 04:43 PM
I'd knock down the Ravens to a tie or below us. Despite how bad our offense has been lately, it wasn't bad enough for an OC to get fired late in the season.

I think the Ravens' last couple of games, doing what they needed to do in demonstrative fashion shows they are a better team than we are right now.

They punked the Giants, playing for their play off lives. Then they came out last week & showed their starters are ready to play last week.

They didn't need to win the game, their starters didn't play the whole game. The loss means nothing. The way they played is what should be taken away from that game.

SheTexan
01-01-2013, 07:52 PM
1. Broncos
2. Patriots
3. Ravens
4. Bengals
5. Colts
6. Texans

Yeah, that's what I'm going with until Houston proves me wrong. :bat:

Hopefully, the Colts will be eliminated this weekend. I want the Ravens to not only beat them, but, beat them beyond recognition!! I think we can take the Bengals, IF our boys really want the win. Depends on which Texan team shows up to play ball. They are definitely schizoid!!:mcnugget:

bobbeaux
01-05-2013, 12:43 PM
if you are only thinking right now and for the playoffs, i can understand everyone's reasoning, but i still think the texans are 3rd on the list, imo . . . they just haven't been playing that way . . . injuries to the lb core have crippled this team and have changed the way the team has to play as a whole . . . i'm not counting them out . . . ;)

thunderkyss
01-05-2013, 10:43 PM
I think the Texans played well enough today to be included in the top 4 of the AFC.

1. Patriots
2. Broncos
3. Ravens
4. Texans

gtexan02
01-06-2013, 08:40 PM
We are better than Baltimore. We are the 3 seed and IMO that's exactly where we belong.

utahmark
01-06-2013, 08:45 PM
1. Broncos
2. Patriots
3. Ravens
4. Bengals
5. Colts
6. Texans

Yeah, that's what I'm going with until Houston proves me wrong. :bat:

Houston has proved you wrong.

Matt Schaub
01-06-2013, 08:51 PM
Texans can be one of the best teams in the league. As long as we play our game we can be victorious. I believe in my teammates and they believe in me.


Same should be for the fans.

JCTexan
01-06-2013, 08:55 PM
Houston has proved you wrong.

Yes, they have. It's more a mindset I'm going with than anything. Put them at the bottom of the list each week and let them rise to the top of it.

Broncos
Patriots
Ravens
Texans

utahmark
01-06-2013, 08:59 PM
Texans can be one of the best teams in the league. As long as we play our game we can be victorious. I believe in my teammates and they believe in me.


Same should be for the fans.

I believe Matt. Now get off this board and go look at some game film.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 09:11 PM
We are better than Baltimore. We are the 3 seed and IMO that's exactly where we belong.

That's debatable. We smothered a better team on the stat sheet, at least I think the Bengals are better than the Colts, but they owned the Colts on the scoreboard.

We allowed 6 points to the Bengals offense, they allowed 9 to the Colts. They found the endzone three times, we found it once.

I'm thinking the Ravens played better offensively, defensively is basically a wash.

gtexan02
01-06-2013, 09:13 PM
That's debatable. We smothered a better team on the stat sheet, at least I think the Bengals are better than the Colts, but they owned the Colts on the scoreboard.

We allowed 6 points to the Bengals offense, they allowed 9 to the Colts. They found the endzone three times, we found it once.

I'm thinking the Ravens played better offensively, defensively is basically a wash.

We destroyed the ravens in all phases when we played them head to head. It's all that matters. If we play them again it will be in Houston and is expect another win

Showtime100
01-06-2013, 09:18 PM
I'll take Denver and New England as the top two. After that I'll take Houston #3 and Baltimore #4. Problem is the space between the top two and the bottom two is vast.

Having said that I think we can win on Sunday though my truth-o-meter, money, if I had to bet, goes on the Pats head.

gtexan02
01-06-2013, 09:21 PM
I'll take Denver and New England as the top two. After that I'll take Houston #3 and Baltimore #4. Problem is the space between the top two and the bottom two is vast.

Having said that I think we can win on Sunday though my truth-o-meter, money, if I had to bet, goes on the Pats head.

Exactly my sentiments.

TEXANRED
01-06-2013, 09:23 PM
I'll take Denver and New England as the top two. After that I'll take Houston #3 and Baltimore #4. Problem is the space between the top two and the bottom two is vast.

Having said that I think we can win on Sunday though my truth-o-meter, money, if I had to bet, goes on the Pats head.

We are better than Denver. It's not even arguable. Manning is the only player that is better at their respective positions.

We beat Denver in Denver right?

Showtime100
01-06-2013, 09:28 PM
We are better than Denver. It's not even arguable. Manning is the only player that is better at their respective positions.

We beat Denver in Denver right?

You think the Texans are better than Denver is a given to those who know? Ok, I'll defend your right to say that with my life.

You do know the Broncos we beat has gelled while ours has broken down like old oil in a car, right? Those were different teams playing that day.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 10:13 PM
We destroyed the ravens in all phases when we played them head to head. It's all that matters. If we play them again it will be in Houston and is expect another win

Yeah but we are not that team that beat Baltimore way back then. That team would have beat these Bengals by 20+

We're trying to find our way back to being that team, we need that team next week. But right now, that's not us.

gtexan02
01-07-2013, 08:30 AM
Yeah but we are not that team that beat Baltimore way back then. That team would have beat these Bengals by 20+

We're trying to find our way back to being that team, we need that team next week. But right now, that's not us.

The Bengals have a top 5 defense. Over the last half of the season they were something like 7-1 and had held opponents to 12 ppg. I don't understand why people are giving them so little credit.

Remember when we had the poll that asked whether the 2011 bengals were better or worse than the 2012 bengals and something like 70 versus 2 people said 2012? What happened to that sentiment. We beat a good team -- a good defensive team -- in the playoffs

thunderkyss
01-07-2013, 09:24 AM
The Bengals have a top 5 defense. Over the last half of the season they were something like 7-1 and had held opponents to 12 ppg. I don't understand why people are giving them so little credit.

Remember when we had the poll that asked whether the 2011 bengals were better or worse than the 2012 bengals and something like 70 versus 2 people said 2012? What happened to that sentiment. We beat a good team -- a good defensive team -- in the playoffs

I don't doubt that we beat a good team. I'm just saying we are not... at least this past Saturday, we were not as good as the team we were at the beginning of the year. Then, we averaged 28 points. Now, we're the team that averages 17 points.

When we played Miami early this year, we scored 30 points on what was a good defense at that time (they finished the season at 7 in points allowed, 19.8ppg). Denver finished allowing 18 ppg, we scored 31 on them. Baltimore finished allowing 21 ppg, they were better than that when we played them & we still scored 43 on them.

Throughout that time, playing those teams, everyone here was upset that we didn't score more. So if you believe we put some points on some really good defenses earlier in the year & could have hung quite a few more, then maxing out at 19 points against the Bengals... we're not where we were. There's still room for improvement & we need to improve if we're going to beat New England.

Keep in mind, we were scoring all those points on all those defenses with a scrub like Schaub at QB & the worst right side to ever start on an Offensive Line.