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AndyWin
12-31-2012, 01:30 AM
Funny how things work out...
Looking at the schedule BEFORE the season, I thought potential losses @Broncos, possibly @Jets, Packers, Ravens, @Bears, @Patriots... so if someone gave me 12-4 before the season, I'd be ECSTATIC.

Well, fast-forward to now... would we be better off at 10-6 (record based on above thoughts) going into the playoffs winning our last 3 games by blowouts with all cylinders firing?

Dolphins
@Jags
@Broncos
Titans
@Jets
Packers
Ravens
Bills
@Bears
Jags
@Lions
@Titans
@Patriots
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@Colts

Lucky
12-31-2012, 07:36 AM
The Texans would have been better off winning one of their last two games and securing home field and a bye. If you told me before the season that the team would blow that opportunity, I would not have been ecstatic.

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 07:38 AM
I had them at 9-7 yet still winning the division. 12-4 is the best record any Houston pro football team has ever achieved.

rmartin65
12-31-2012, 07:39 AM
Yep. But if you had told me the Texans would look this bad over the last couple games, I would have the same feeling- disappointment.

HoustonFrog
12-31-2012, 07:40 AM
I told people here in Chicago that asked about the Texans...they assume I cheer for Cowboys and Texans the same...that if they got home field with the fans I didn't see them losing in the playoffs. I told one of the guys I talk sports with a lot that if they have to go to Denver, NE, Baltimore, etc that they would have issues. That is why 12-4 doesn't feel like 12-4 because you don't run the show now.

GuerillaBlack
12-31-2012, 07:57 AM
If you would have told me this team would collapse like they did, then now. Being 11-1 and ending 12-4 is nothing to be excited about.

TexanSam
12-31-2012, 07:59 AM
Well, fast-forward to now... would we be better off at 10-6 (record based on above thoughts) going into the playoffs winning our last 3 games by blowouts with all cylinders firing?

Yes.

Grams
12-31-2012, 08:03 AM
12-4 Looks fantastic - on paper.

But seeing how this team has played since the bye - and the way they lost the last 2 games and HFA - not so much.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2012, 08:06 AM
The bottom line is this team consistently shat their panties down the stretch and look like maggot infested dog $hit laying in the hot sun for 5 days.

I don't give a God damn about 12-4 and "The best record the Texans have had" as many people will try to say (not calling anyone out, just general statement) to put a feel good spin on things.

I trust the eyes in my effing skull and they tell me right now this team blows donkey balls right now.....PERIOD.

Of course I still love the team and will drunkenly fool myself into being excited about our game next week and waste money at the bar to see it all happen but damn, right now, top to bottom, this sucks. It's hard to cover this pile of $hit up with roses right now.

Reality sux.

Goatcheese
12-31-2012, 08:08 AM
I'm happy with the way the regular season as a whole went, but it's tough not to be disappointed in how it ended.

Three chances at the end of the season to clinch the #1 seed and they laid three eggs.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 08:23 AM
12-4 Looks fantastic - on paper.

But seeing how this team has played since the bye - and the way they lost the last 2 games and HFA - not so much.

This is the biggest thing. It's not that we're 12-4, or that we lost the last two games of the season. But we just haven't looked right since the bye.

Most of us tried to make excuses for that, and for the most part, they were legit. But the bye week was what? 9 weeks ago? And there really is no excuse for us to be having the issues we're having now. We've had time to adjust to whatever injuries we've sustained, for however the league has evolved... but we can't get the ball into the end zone.

Would we be better off at 10-6? No. Then we wouldn't even have a home play-off game.

But here's the thing. When we were winning, but playing poorly we could see the way things were trending downward. I wonder if we would be able to see any upward trends despite our losses. I think the defense showed some flashes against Minnesota. I think the offense showed some flashes against Indy. I don't know if there are any trends developing, but I don't think a loss to Cincinnati is guaranteed. If we can win that game, taking another step forward on both sides of the ball, things may be looking up.

I don't believe Gary, Matt, Wade, or this defense is in over their heads. I'd have loved to have homefield, I'd have loved to host the AFC Championship game. But I think playing through may be better for the team that has been playing the way we have.

Rey
12-31-2012, 08:37 AM
I wouldve asked how did we play to get that record...

If you wouldve told me ever detail of the season since play 1 of game 1, the only reason I wouldve watched is for Jj watt.

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 08:37 AM
I don't believe Gary, Matt, Wade, or this defense is in over their heads.

Wade is deserving of some stick for having them in Man/Cover 1 on the 3rd & 23. It is the exact same play they scored with in Houston just before half time. Otherwise your post is spot on. :)

Playoffs
12-31-2012, 10:36 AM
I long for the days of 7-9 teams and not having to be all anxious about the playoffs.

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 10:39 AM
Ever heard the phrase "the devil is in the details"? Yep.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 10:46 AM
Ever heard the phrase "the devil is in the details"? Yep.


Exactly. Just showing someone a record doesn't tell you what you need to know about the quality of the team. Sure someone is always going to whip out that "Great teams find a way to win" rubbish but if you strung together a bunch of fluke wins mixed in with a little refball and some sub-par opponents you could get 10-12 wins in a season and still be a bad team just waiting to burn in the postseason.

Thorn
12-31-2012, 11:45 AM
Playoffs are where you show who you are. Last year I thought we did a damn good job considering the circumstances.

This year hasn't played out yet. Personally, I think after we beat the Bengals we'll be out the next game. But those games haven't been played yet.

I picked the Texans to win 10, maybe 11 games, so telling me before the season started we'd be 12-4, I would have been puzzled as to where the 12 wins were coming from. But, the Texans took us on a nice trip that looks to be running out of gas quickly. We just have to wait and see if they find a filling station.

I wouldn't bet on it though.

ajohnson80
12-31-2012, 11:57 AM
Anyways you put it going from 11-1 and a lock for the #1 seed to 12-4 and the #3 seed is a choke job. Every fan is right to be pissed.

We will see if they can redeem themselves in the playoffs, but at this point it is a huge disappointment to the fan base.

Ranger Tom
12-31-2012, 12:00 PM
With the history this franchise has, I would have asked, "What's the catch?"

fiasco west
12-31-2012, 12:27 PM
Playoffs are where you show who you are. Last year I thought we did a damn good job considering the circumstances.

This year hasn't played out yet. Personally, I think after we beat the Bengals we'll be out the next game. But those games haven't been played yet.

I picked the Texans to win 10, maybe 11 games, so telling me before the season started we'd be 12-4, I would have been puzzled as to where the 12 wins were coming from. But, the Texans took us on a nice trip that looks to be running out of gas quickly. We just have to wait and see if they find a filling station.

I wouldn't bet on it though.

Rep for this because it's true.

Teams are judged in the playoffs. If we go out and lose to Cincy then the story will be "How the wheel fell off."

If they smash Cincy then the story will be "Are the Texans back?"

Then if they go on to lose again to the Pats the story will be "What do the Texans have to do to get past the Patriots and elite QBs?"

If they beat the Pats the story will be about how they turned it on at the right time.

The fact is we will be judged by what we do in January now. If you told me we'd be 12-4 in the regular season I would say they had a great regular season. No Matter what they did.

I mean the Texans have the 4th Best Record in the NFL. No one is excusing the recent losses but at the same time you have to look at the good the team has done as well. They had a great season, we are all disappointed because they missed a great opportunity...but the real goal for the team is still out there to grab.

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 12:28 PM
It isn't about 12-4. Why don't you people understand this?!? 12-4 is great; 1-4 to finish the season while missing out on home field throughout the playoffs is abysmal. Combine the two, and it has been a disappointing season. Almost as disappointing (and maybe more) than 2-14.

Thorn
12-31-2012, 12:33 PM
It isn't about 12-4. Why don't you people understand this?!? 12-4 is great; 1-4 to finish the season while missing out on home field throughout the playoffs is abysmal. Combine the two, and it has been a disappointing season. Almost as disappointing (and maybe more) than 2-14.

No. Never. Whatever happens this post season it will never be as bad as 2-14.

The Texans are a damn good team. We are NOT a loser team. We're just not ready for prime time yet. That my friend is not even close to being 2-14.

I'm as pissed as everyone right now, but don't discount the fact that the Texans can still beat half to 3/4's of the teams in the NFL on any given day. That 2-14 team couldn't beat a troup of girl scouts.

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 12:44 PM
No. Never. Whatever happens this post season it will never be as bad as 2-14.

The Texans are a damn good team. We are NOT a loser team. We're just not ready for prime time yet. That my friend is not even close to being 2-14.

I'm as pissed as everyone right now, but don't discount the fact that the Texans can still beat half to 3/4's of the teams in the NFL on any given day. That 2-14 team couldn't beat a troup of girl scouts.

I watched every game of that 2-14 season. Honestly after the first game or 2, I knew we were going to be terrible. I was prepared for it. That in itself made that season a bit more bearable FOR ME than this one.

There are few things I hate more than a team that underachieves. What the Texans have done the last few weeks has been inexcusable. I'd rather watch the team suck it up and at least have a high draft pick to look forward to than watch them crumble the way they have.

Runner
12-31-2012, 12:46 PM
Given the weak division and the talent on the team, 11-5 looked realistic and 12-4 looked very good at the beginning of the year. In reality the division wasn't as weak as it appeared with the Colts improving from 2-14 to 11-5 (they didn't follow the rule that it takes years of incremental improvement to turn a team around), so that is in the Texans' favor. However, the end of season choke job when the pressure was on is a big negative.

Bottom line: this is the same old Kubiak led team of under achievers we've seen for years. I expected a very good regular season and an early playoff out, and I'm sure I posted that somewhere on the board. It remains to be seen how early the playoff loss occurs (ok - IF it occurs), but right now this team is meeting my expectations.

Thorn
12-31-2012, 12:48 PM
I watched every game of that 2-14 season. Honestly after the first game or 2, I knew we were going to be terrible. I was prepared for it. That in itself made that season a bit more bearable FOR ME than this one.

There are few things I hate more than a team that underachieves. What the Texans have done the last few weeks has been inexcusable. I'd rather watch the team suck it up and at least have a high draft pick to look forward to than watch them crumble the way they have.

The Texans are on a downhill slide and will exit early from the playoffs, no doubt in my mind about that. I blame Kubiak.

But I did have a wonderful season full of hope. It's been dashed on the rocks, but the season itself was fantastic. Sorry, but I'll take that over a putrid 2-14 team any day of the week.

Porky
12-31-2012, 12:56 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like ever since they debuted the "Letterman Jackets" they've been playing just like a HS team?

I think it's a curse. It's the curse of the Letterman jacket. Those football demons must be exorcised. I say have a huge jacket burning bonfire. Not sure if football demons can be killed by fire though. Anyone have any football demon killing ideas?

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 12:58 PM
With the history this franchise has, I would have asked, "What's the catch?"

Well, let's think about that.

It's disheartening that we don't compete with the elite teams. I wish it weren't different, but it isn't. We've got this idea, that it's easy to build a championship team. In reality, that's not the case.

Nobody wants to hear this. But I'm going to lay it out there. We are not the Patriots. We are not the Steelers. We aren't the Colts.

We're the Browns. You don't build a championship team over night & though no one wants to admit it, they are the team that most closely fits our situation. Expansion team. One play off appearance since 1999. We've already got that beat. This organization is built better than the Cleveland Browns. The Clevleand Browns shows us how hard it is to build this kind of organization. For all our flaws, in less time we have an organization that is heads & shoulders ahead of the Cleveland Browns.

Yes, I want to be the Patriots. Yes I want a Super Bowl. No, I am not happy that we are better than the Browns, just stating the facts.

Detroit. I 1999 was their last play-off appearance. They have not been a successful organization since.... if you count play-off appearances as a measure of success. They had a play off appearance last season, but fell short this season. Tough division, I know. But that's part of the game. It's not easy to build a winning tradition.

Arizona, 2 play off appearances since 1998. That's us. If this organization is not built correctly, then we've reached our peak & it will be all down hill from here. Some of you are saying that is where we are. & we may be. But the Arizona Cardinals also shows you how difficult it is to build a winning organization.

San Francisco. They're playing in the "difficult" NFC, but they're about where we are. They look better than we do now. But again, since 2002, only two play off appearances.

I know it's a "funny" way to look at it. But this is an elite sport, you're not supposed to be able to build something overnight. The Colts. They were 2-14 last season & now they're 11-4. They totally overhauled their roster. I get it. But that's different. What we see on the field, from the coaches down is only a part of the equation. There has to be a foundation that supports the team, to know what the right things are. To "keep them honest" to keep them from drinking the Koolaide..... that's what happened to the Jets. They struck gold with Ryan & started drinking the koolaide.

mridge01
12-31-2012, 01:01 PM
Yes, they did better than I thought they would, but Geez when the number 1 seed is sitting out there for them to take and they play they way they have the last two weeks, it's beyound disappointing.

Thorn
12-31-2012, 01:05 PM
We're not making it to the promised land with Kubiak as the head coach. But we will be better than average. We are not having a sub 500 season for many years to come. A lot of teams would love that.

This does not mean I am happy about it, because I'm not. It just means I'm being realistic about it. That's all.

disaacks3
12-31-2012, 01:16 PM
If you would have told me this team would collapse like they did, then now. Being 11-1 and ending 12-4 is nothing to be excited about.

Anyways you put it going from 11-1 and a lock for the #1 seed to 12-4 and the #3 seed is a choke job. Every fan is right to be pissed.

We will see if they can redeem themselves in the playoffs, but at this point it is a huge disappointment to the fan base.

These sum it up for me. Losing your last 3 of four and blowing not one, but TWO straight chances to secure HFA is a colossal choke job.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 01:22 PM
Bottom line: this is the same old Kubiak led team of under achievers we've seen for years.

How are they underachievers if Matt can't take us to the Super Bowl. If Matt is not elite. If KDub is not a #2 reciever, if we're undermanned on the right side of the line? Or if we don't have LBs to be able to play man coverage on the back end?

texanhead08
12-31-2012, 01:26 PM
I said 11-5 before the season. I thought we would lose @Detroit.

Marcus
12-31-2012, 01:34 PM
If the OP was trying to get us to put things in perspective, he failed miserably.

And rightfully so.

If you offered me this type of 12-4 before the season, I would have taken 4-12 instead. This just freaking sux.

You want to know the biggest insult of all? This is what the Oilers always did. Choke City again.

bo orlando
12-31-2012, 01:43 PM
Funny how things work out...
Looking at the schedule BEFORE the season, I thought potential losses @Broncos, possibly @Jets, Packers, Ravens, @Bears, @Patriots... so if someone gave me 12-4 before the season, I'd be ECSTATIC.

Well, fast-forward to now... would we be better off at 10-6 (record based on above thoughts) going into the playoffs winning our last 3 games by blowouts with all cylinders firing?



These "if someone told you" tropes are the highest form of delusional thinking.

FACT: If someone told me before the season that The Texans would blow home field advantage and any realistic chance at the SB by losing 3 of their last 4 games in embarrassing fashion then I'd have been PISSED.

fiasco west
12-31-2012, 01:48 PM
The Texans are on a downhill slide and will exit early from the playoffs, no doubt in my mind about that. I blame Kubiak.

But I did have a wonderful season full of hope. It's been dashed on the rocks, but the season itself was fantastic. Sorry, but I'll take that over a putrid 2-14 team any day of the week.

Agreed.

Can't believe some people think this is equal to being some loser team. Yeah you're not as mad about it you know why? Because the team sucks and anything good they do is a improvement. They can only get better.

The Texans have the 4th/5th best record in the NFL.

They are far from being a loser and some of the objectives people throw around here to talk about them. The disappointment comes because of the success they have had and now people naturally want more.

Simply because there is more on the line now. That is all it is to it. It's like how players would say they rather not make the superbowl if they are just going to lose. It's because they were so close and I think that is how a lot of people feel.

They feel this is a superbowl contender and something is holding it back. The coach, QB, or anything else. We've all heard the reasons.

Double Barrel
12-31-2012, 01:54 PM
I had them at 9-7 yet still winning the division. 12-4 is the best record any Houston pro football team has ever achieved.

Tied for "the best record any Houston pro football team has ever achieved".

See the 1993 Houston Oilers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/) who were also 12-4.

That Oilers team was also one and done in the playoffs. :fortune:

Runner
12-31-2012, 01:55 PM
How are they underachievers if Matt can't take us to the Super Bowl. If Matt is not elite. If KDub is not a #2 reciever, if we're undermanned on the right side of the line? Or if we don't have LBs to be able to play man coverage on the back end?

Man, where has all the "Super Bowl contenders" hoopla gone?

The team - front office, coaching, players - have under achieved at critical times over the past few years.

Blame it on poor talent if you like; I'd be happy if Smith and Kubiak were finally held accountable for the team they built and nurtured through the years.

mridge01
12-31-2012, 01:57 PM
These "if someone told you" tropes are the highest form of delusional thinking.

FACT: If someone told me before the season that The Texans would blow home field advantage and any realistic chance at the SB by losing 3 of their last 4 games in embarrassing fashion then I'd have been PISSED.

This. Plus about 1 billion.

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 03:23 PM
The Texans are on a downhill slide and will exit early from the playoffs, no doubt in my mind about that. I blame Kubiak.

But I did have a wonderful season full of hope. It's been dashed on the rocks, but the season itself was fantastic. Sorry, but I'll take that over a putrid 2-14 team any day of the week.

That's what is so neat about the human experience. We all have our own way of looking at things.

For me, I'd rather take the lumps early in the season, know what to expect, and be prepared rather than get all excited, think I actually might be rooting for a team with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations, only to have the feeling snatched away by a coach who turtles up when the going gets tough and a team that looks unmotivated and unprepared.

The depression I feel over 12-4 likely ending in a 1st round playoff exit is far worse than the depression I felt after 2-14. After 2-14, I had something to look forward to. After this season, I don't know where this team is headed.

Add to that, this season also led to the realization that Andrew Luck is the real deal, and we are likely about to go another 10 years without a win in Indy. Go Texans!!!

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 03:25 PM
Tied for "the best record any Houston pro football team has ever achieved".

See the 1993 Houston Oilers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/) who were also 12-4.

That Oilers team was also one and done in the playoffs. :fortune:

And the city was pumped about that 12-4 team, because they started off 1-4 and then won 11 straight to end the season. This team reversed that, so people feel about this team the way they felt about those Oilers after 5 games. Timing matters.

scourge
12-31-2012, 03:27 PM
The Texans would have been better off winning one of their last two games and securing home field and a bye. If you told me before the season that the team would blow that opportunity, I would not have been ecstatic.

I would've said something to the effect of "Sounds about right."

fiasco west
12-31-2012, 03:29 PM
And the city was pumped about that 12-4 team, because they started off 1-4 and then won 11 straight to end the season. This team reversed that, so people feel about this team the way they felt about those Oilers after 5 games. Timing matters.

It just goes to show you that the regular season doesn't matter when it comes to the playoffs as I continue to say the past few weeks. Every year we see this...whether it is a team that barely snuck into the playoffs that ends up going to the superbowl...or it's a #1-2 seed losing a game they supposedly shouldn't lose...

The #1 seed doesn't always even win the superbowl any ways so people should accept that they had a great regular season and hope that they turn it around for the playoffs.

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 03:30 PM
Agreed.

Can't believe some people think this is equal to being some loser team. Yeah you're not as mad about it you know why? Because the team sucks and anything good they do is a improvement. They can only get better.

Because both seasons end the same way: with losses. If you want me to be happy, or happier, about 12-4 where our draft position is going to suck because we won't have the opportunity to get that game changing player that is typically available in the top 10, well you have another thing coming.

After 2-14, we had the #1 pick to look forward to. We had hope about the future of our football team. Asking me to be happy about 12-4 is like asking me to be happy about the 12-4 Oilers that got spanked by Joe Montana. If you are asking me to be a stat geek, then sure I'm happy with good numbers. But if you are talking to me as a football fan, 12-4 or 2-14 makes no difference to me if the team looks to be headed down the toilet either way.

Double Barrel
12-31-2012, 03:55 PM
And the city was pumped about that 12-4 team, because they started off 1-4 and then won 11 straight to end the season. This team reversed that, so people feel about this team the way they felt about those Oilers after 5 games. Timing matters.

yep, I remember it well. And I'd like to point out to all the chumps spewing nonsense about Houston fans that we went crazy for that 12-4 team the season after they gave us the 35-3 meltdown.

Broke our hearts and crushed our souls and we still lined up for more. Same thing we will do next August when a new football season rolls around. :crazy:

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 03:57 PM
yep, I remember it well. And I'd like to point out to all the chumps spewing nonsense about Houston fans that we went crazy for that 12-4 team the season after they gave us the 35-3 meltdown.

Broke our hearts and crushed our souls and we still lined up for more. Same thing we will do next August when a new football season rolls around. :crazy:

Yep. Houston is such a terrible city with such horrible fans...

MEGA SWATT
12-31-2012, 04:03 PM
The bottom line is this team consistently shat their panties down the stretch and look like maggot infested dog $hit laying in the hot sun for 5 days.

I don't give a God damn about 12-4 and "The best record the Texans have had" as many people will try to say (not calling anyone out, just general statement) to put a feel good spin on things.

I trust the eyes in my effing skull and they tell me right now this team blows donkey balls right now.....PERIOD.

Of course I still love the team and will drunkenly fool myself into being excited about our game next week and waste money at the bar to see it all happen but damn, right now, top to bottom, this sucks. It's hard to cover this pile of $hit up with roses right now.

Reality sux.

Damn it, if you would just tell us how you really feel, it would be so much easier to understand your point......show some passion.......:fingergun:










:kitten:

MEGA SWATT
12-31-2012, 04:05 PM
It just goes to show you that the regular season doesn't matter when it comes to the playoffs as I continue to say the past few weeks. Every year we see this...whether it is a team that barely snuck into the playoffs that ends up going to the superbowl...or it's a #1-2 seed losing a game they supposedly shouldn't lose...

The #1 seed doesn't always even win the superbowl any ways so people should accept that they had a great regular season and hope that they turn it around for the playoffs.

Wouldn't that be the story -the Texans find some :voodoo: and end up winning out and win a superbowl:fingergun::user::thinking:

Double Barrel
12-31-2012, 04:11 PM
Wouldn't that be the story -the Texans find some :voodoo: and end up winning out and win a superbowl:fingergun::user::thinking:

I'd be "ecstatic" to bring the BBQ sauce for that big bowl of crow for me to eat.

I pray that I have to eat my words.

I hope to god and the mythical football gods that I look like a disbelieving fool for ever doubting this team.

But...I know better. This team is playing ball like the 2006 Texans right now. My eyes have witnessed, and my hope and prayers cannot overcome the reality that is slapping us in the face.

badboy
12-31-2012, 04:19 PM
Wow how the mood of the old MB has changed since my comments about quality of play being more important than wins.

Wolf
12-31-2012, 04:24 PM
I would be estatic if you told me they would be 12-4 before the season started. But the last few games, they have lost any swagger, esp after the patriots game. To me they are mentally beat. Just like when Eddie George got rocked by Ray Lewis. Not the same player after that. We arent the same team after the Patriots.

What I have learned is that when the question arises next time, my response will be... how are we playing toward the end of the year?

fiasco west
12-31-2012, 05:10 PM
Because both seasons end the same way: with losses. If you want me to be happy, or happier, about 12-4 where our draft position is going to suck because we won't have the opportunity to get that game changing player that is typically available in the top 10, well you have another thing coming.

After 2-14, we had the #1 pick to look forward to. We had hope about the future of our football team. Asking me to be happy about 12-4 is like asking me to be happy about the 12-4 Oilers that got spanked by Joe Montana. If you are asking me to be a stat geek, then sure I'm happy with good numbers. But if you are talking to me as a football fan, 12-4 or 2-14 makes no difference to me if the team looks to be headed down the toilet either way.

Well I'd rather be in the playoffs then get a draft pick in the NFL. Every single time.

You can find stud players in the 2nd round...forget a top 10 pick. How many of those pan out? How have the Browns fared for their top ten pick? Maybe about 3 of the top 10 players actually become just pro-bowl players. Some bust out completely. A lot do. Draft is a crapshoot, you can find all-pro players in any round. You seriously would rather have a 2-14 team over a 12-4 team headed into the playoffs?

The team is headed down the toilet? That remains to be seen, You're looking far too ahead to say something like that...and then judging an offseason that has not happened yet.

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 05:56 PM
Let me add, there should probably be this on all of my posts:

Disclaimer: Wounds from the recent shellacking by one of the worst defenses in the league and a rookie quarterback can cause bouts of overreaction and exaggeration. Posts may or may not be an accurate reflection of the user's views and/or opinions.

Wolf6151
12-31-2012, 05:57 PM
I made the prediction we'd go 12-4 before the season started. Fans aren't angry about the record, they're angry because we've lost 3 of the last 4 games headed into the playoffs and lost home field advantage in the process.

Runner
12-31-2012, 05:59 PM
Wow how the mood of the old MB has changed since my comments about quality of play being more important than wins.

Yes, but back then mediocre play was being spun to near elite status in paroxysms of fandom. This year they actually played some elite football before a collapse back to mediocrity.

Most of the "but ifs" from three or four years ago have been addressed through the Smithiak master plan. This team is the result - a great regular season until each game became important (for home field advantage), then wilting under pressure. We've all seen this before; they just push the statement game out a little each year.

Incrementally.

Showtime100
12-31-2012, 06:31 PM
Funny how things work out...
Looking at the schedule BEFORE the season, I thought potential losses @Broncos, possibly @Jets, Packers, Ravens, @Bears, @Patriots... so if someone gave me 12-4 before the season, I'd be ECSTATIC.

Well, fast-forward to now... would we be better off at 10-6 (record based on above thoughts) going into the playoffs winning our last 3 games by blowouts with all cylinders firing?

Dolphins
@Jags
@Broncos
Titans
@Jets
Packers
Ravens
Bills
@Bears
Jags
@Lions
@Titans
@Patriots
Colts
Vikings
@Colts

Didn't read the thread. No. Our team sucks.

badboy
12-31-2012, 06:34 PM
Yes, but back then mediocre play was being spun to near elite status in paroxysms of fandom. This year they actually played some elite football before a collapse back to mediocrity.

Most of the "but ifs" from three or four years ago have been addressed through the Smithiak master plan. This team is the result - a great regular season until each game became important (for home field advantage), then wilting under pressure. We've all seen this before; they just push the statement game out a little each year.

Incrementally.My post was about this season not comments prior to 2012. IMO this has not been a great year with elite play. It has been a season with several Ws but some pretty questionable play in almost every game. We are not as good as I thought we were.

ArlingtonTexan
12-31-2012, 06:41 PM
I am big win as games as possible no matter when, where or how guy, so I will take 12-4 and get into the tournament every single year. going from 11-1 in control your fate to 12-4 with no bye and a total team meltdown is about as stinky as that record can get though.

Nawzer
12-31-2012, 06:54 PM
I would be estatic if you told me they would be 12-4 before the season started. But the last few games, they have lost any swagger, esp after the patriots game. To me they are mentally beat. Just like when Eddie George got rocked by Ray Lewis. Not the same player after that. We arent the same team after the Patriots.

What I have learned is that when the question arises next time, my response will be... how are we playing toward the end of the year?

The bold part is something I stated a couple of times earlier in the season and maybe even before the season got started. My idea of an ideal regular season is you start slow and finish fast. I thought the team would hit its stride by week 13 or 14 and we would peak in towards the end of the season and not in the beginning of the season. The team is going backwards now with too many leaks to fix in a couple of days. The best they can hope for us is that they focus in on 1 or 2 things and REALLY work on it and hope for the best.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 07:28 PM
Didn't read the thread. No. Our team sucks.

I think the emotions of what was lost is just too strong right now.

Our team doesn't suck. We're not playing well right now. We haven't played a complete game but maybe twice this season, but managed to win 12 games. In light of what could have been, I understand the disappointment expressed here.

I understand all the, "Same 'ole Kubiak" talk, the "Same 'ole Texans" "Same 'ole Houston choke" thing. I really do.

But this isn't over yet.

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 07:36 PM
But this isn't over ...

Correct.

... yet.

Correct.