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AndyWin
12-31-2012, 01:21 AM
Let's be honest, this team MAY beat the Bengals but I'd bet my life's savings they won't beat Patriots IN New England AND Broncos IN Denver.

The worst part is that Kubiak and Schaub are both so safe, it's absolutely disgusting. The ONLY way I could maybe see possible dramatic changes would be if they lay an absolute egg next week and get booed out of Reliant in a losing effort.

Think about it, we have to go through all of this again next year. Schaub and Kubiak are not going to change... we'll be the above average but not great Texans for years to come.

Sigh

Premier
12-31-2012, 01:25 AM
pathetic performance. the opportunity to force brady and peyton to face each other in a division round was right there.. instead they lose and let both these teams get byes..

Steal Your Face
12-31-2012, 01:31 AM
Let's be honest, this team MAY beat the Bengals but I'd bet my life's savings they won't beat Patriots IN New England AND Broncos IN Denver.

The worst part is that Kubiak and Schaub are both so safe, it's absolutely disgusting. The ONLY way I could maybe see possible dramatic changes would be if they lay an absolute egg next week and get booed out of Reliant in a losing effort.

Think about it, we have to go through all of this again next year. Schaub and Kubiak are not going to change... we'll be the above average but not great Texans for years to come.

Sigh

Andy ... no need to sigh. You don't "have" to go through all this again next year. Sell your PSL ... you can easily get your money back, and then some. Find something else rewarding to do on Sundays.

AndyWin
12-31-2012, 01:35 AM
Yup... and Kubiak and Schaub will both be here through next season and probably the next before wildcard and out just isn't enough. And by then we'll have a star RB and star WR with a lot of miles on them.

GOD

Corrosion
12-31-2012, 01:38 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

DX-TEX
12-31-2012, 01:40 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

Everything you listed is what a HEAD COACH gets paid to prepare his team to do. They havent been prepared in over a month.

Here is your soap...

AndyWin
12-31-2012, 01:46 AM
Because Wade's D and #80 have performed quite well this season and are more responsible for many more of the Wins than Kubiak and Schaub in my opinion. The defensive forced turnovers and big plays are responsible for MANY of our wins... and Andre's monster games bailing Schaub out of trouble is worth a nod as well.

Kubiak should've been gone after the 6-10 season. Without Wade's defense that was brought in, this team is still that 6-10 team... and the only reason they could maybe finish better is because Titans and Jags haven't improved whatsoever in these past 2 years or so.

Schaub has been mediocre/slightly above average since the beginning. This guy is not the guy to take a team to the promiseland. If after this season we still can't at least get TO the AFC Championship, that's SIX YEARS this guy's had a chance to lead a pretty damn good team to the promiseland.

My rant is not about ONE game. It's about the entire damn season. Hell, the past 2-3 seasons even. Schaub and Kubiak are more to blame for this team's mediocrity than anyone else... especially not #80 or Wade.

dream_team
12-31-2012, 01:52 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

Because with a lot of people in here, Kubiak will never win. He'll never get credit for wins, he'll get all the blame for losses.

In regards to just today's game, Wade deserves as much blame as Kubiak and Schaub.

AndyWin
12-31-2012, 01:58 AM
In regards to the last 3+ seasons, Kubiak and Schaub have more to do with our mediocrity than anyone else. :cutthroat:

Norg
12-31-2012, 02:06 AM
ehh depends on how they do in the playoffs dont be so sure there safe

Kubes could easily be replaced by wade phillips and and if scahub plays bad next year we will have Yates and maybe another VEt stop gap QB waiting

midway
12-31-2012, 02:14 AM
ehh depends on how they do in the playoffs dont be so sure there safe

Kubes could easily be replaced by wade phillips and and if scahub plays bad next year we will have Yates and maybe another VEt stop gap QB waiting

Man, we've got Uncle Bob in charge, Kubiak and Schaub are safer than Scrooge McDuck's lucky dime.

ObsiWan
12-31-2012, 02:35 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.

How is it Kubiak's fault that A.J. dropped a ball In. HIS. HANDS...??
How is it Kubiak's fault that Schaub under threw the ball to a wide open Casey who had got beyond the defense??
How is it Kubiak's - or Wade's - fault that they got beat on a 3rd & 20-something?

To do that is to let the players completely off the hook. And, to me, that's just wrong. The players didn't do their damned jobs. Plain and simple.

ObsiWan
12-31-2012, 02:39 AM
Because Wade's D and #80 have performed quite well this season and are more responsible for many more of the Wins than Kubiak and Schaub in my opinion. The defensive forced turnovers and big plays are responsible for MANY of our wins... and Andre's monster games bailing Schaub out of trouble is worth a nod as well.

Kubiak should've been gone after the 6-10 season. Without Wade's defense that was brought in, this team is still that 6-10 team... and the only reason they could maybe finish better is because Titans and Jags haven't improved whatsoever in these past 2 years or so.

Schaub has been mediocre/slightly above average since the beginning. This guy is not the guy to take a team to the promiseland. If after this season we still can't at least get TO the AFC Championship, that's SIX YEARS this guy's had a chance to lead a pretty damn good team to the promiseland.

My rant is not about ONE game. It's about the entire damn season. Hell, the past 2-3 seasons even. Schaub and Kubiak are more to blame for this team's mediocrity than anyone else... especially not #80 or Wade.

The past two seasons our record is 22-10. That's worth a rant?


...rookies...

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 02:41 AM
Let's be honest...

The worst part is that Kubiak and Schaub are both so safe, it's absolutely disgusting.

Think about it, we have to go through all of this again next year. Schaub and Kubiak are not going to change... we'll be the above average but not great Texans for years to come.

Sigh

I'm watching the game again. I don't see the ultra conservative play calling. Sure, there was the short dump off on third & long, but I'm seeing good production out of the run game & taking shots down the field, at least 4 already, 2 of which were intercepted.

Matt looks good... healthy at least. Again, I counted at least 4 times where he extended plays with his feet. 2 off them that resulted in first downs. One was a TE screen that went for 13 yards or so & the other was a pass to KDub for a 11 yards or so.

Offensively, we didn't do enough. Only scored 16 pts. Defensively, we couldn't get off the field, especially in the 4th, when it counted most.

Corrosion
12-31-2012, 03:11 AM
Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.

How is it Kubiak's fault that A.J. dropped a ball In. HIS. HANDS...??
How is it Kubiak's fault that Schaub under threw the ball to a wide open Casey who had got beyond the defense??
How is it Kubiak's - or Wade's - fault that they got beat on a 3rd & 20-something?

To do that is to let the players completely off the hook. And, to me, that's just wrong. The players didn't do their damned jobs. Plain and simple.

Nuttin more to be said ..... /end thread. :swatter:

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 04:23 AM
Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.

How is it Kubiak's fault that A.J. dropped a ball In. HIS. HANDS...??
How is it Kubiak's fault that Schaub under threw the ball to a wide open Casey who had got beyond the defense??
How is it Kubiak's - or Wade's - fault that they got beat on a 3rd & 20-something?

To do that is to let the players completely off the hook. And, to me, that's just wrong. The players didn't do their damned jobs. Plain and simple.

The biggest tell, is that their biggest gripe about the game is that the team came out flat, uninspired, or unmotivated. Those are key words. It means, "I hate the head coach."

Most of these people have already stated they would be upset with Kubiak if we get to but lose the Super Bowl. I'm going to repeat that, because I like to hear myself talk. They said, even though our QB is crap, we have no talent on the OL, our defense is fool's gold, & Arian's a wimp. If we get to the Super Bowl it will be in spite of Kubiak. If we lose, it is because of Kubiak.

Goatcheese
12-31-2012, 05:03 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

I agree for the most part, but the second INT was thrown where it needed to be. AJ and the CB were running together, and then something happened to break AJ's stride. The CB pulled away and had time to slow down and wait for the ball.

For some fans, if a play doesn't work that must mean it was a poor play call. Some even act like Kubiak specifically picks plays that he expects to fail and has a special part of his Denny's menu filled with bad plays that he can pick from just to annoy the fans.

:thisbig:

Rey
12-31-2012, 08:42 AM
The biggest tell, is that their biggest gripe about the game is that the team came out flat, uninspired, or unmotivated. Those are key words. It means, "I hate the head coach."

The team comes out flat all the time. When we come out and don't have setbacks early it's a pleasant surprise. Too often this team is unprepared.

Thing is, the blame is shared. Coaching, playing, player selection...all that crap should be questioned.

EllisUnit
12-31-2012, 08:58 AM
Let's be honest, this team MAY beat the Bengals but I'd bet my life's savings they won't beat Patriots IN New England AND Broncos IN Denver.

The worst part is that Kubiak and Schaub are both so safe, it's absolutely disgusting. The ONLY way I could maybe see possible dramatic changes would be if they lay an absolute egg next week and get booed out of Reliant in a losing effort.

Think about it, we have to go through all of this again next year. Schaub and Kubiak are not going to change... we'll be the above average but not great Texans for years to come.

Sigh


That's how people lose everything and wind up ODing in some back alley wearing a wig and a skirt with the nickname hot tomale......

As far as kubiak and schaub go, yes they are to safe, they have always been this way it just wasn't as obvious when we had a less talented team. Kubiak plays not to lose instead of playing to win

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 09:18 AM
Andy ... no need to sigh. You don't "have" to go through all this again next year. Sell your PSL ... you can easily get your money back, and then some. Find something else rewarding to do on Sundays.


Excellent post and repped. This post should be a thread of its own.

amazing80
12-31-2012, 09:19 AM
I'm watching the game again. I don't see the ultra conservative play calling. Sure, there was the short dump off on third & long, but I'm seeing good production out of the run game & taking shots down the field, at least 4 already, 2 of which were intercepted.

Matt looks good... healthy at least. Again, I counted at least 4 times where he extended plays with his feet. 2 off them that resulted in first downs. One was a TE screen that went for 13 yards or so & the other was a pass to KDub for a 11 yards or so.

Offensively, we didn't do enough. Only scored 16 pts. Defensively, we couldn't get off the field, especially in the 4th, when it counted most.

Ummmm the OD play was designed to look like pressure, he kept backing up and floated it over the rusher to OD, nothing special

and the reason he wasnt sacked on the kw play was because one pass rusher took out the other right before he got to 8.....so no he didnt do anything out of the ordinary

tedr
12-31-2012, 09:20 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.


Corrosion,

All these are valid points...however, it always comes back to the head coach, and to a lesser extent, the QB. Yes, these other players didn't do their jobs, but Kubiak is ultimately responsible for them being out there, and Schaub, as the QB, is the default leader. If the players don't perform, it's on them to an extent, but ultimately, it comes back to the head coach, fair or not. Until Kubiak takes them far in the playoffs or to the Super Bowl, his ability will always be questioned, based on his history with the team. And, unfortunately, that history says he is a head coach who is six games over .500 in his career- not bad by any stretch, but not great.

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 09:22 AM
Because with a lot of people in here, Kubiak will never win. He'll never get credit for wins, he'll get all the blame for losses.

In regards to just today's game, Wade deserves as much blame as Kubiak and Schaub.

Yup. Because too many people think its like Rudy, and all that's needed is some yelling at the players or stirring locker room speech. Unfortunately, in big boy world, that **** don't fly. The team has been prepared but the coaches can not make them execute. We could get in some street FAs if fans feel that's the solution? Y'know, show some accountability and all :rolleyes:

amazing80
12-31-2012, 09:27 AM
Yup. Because too many people think its like Rudy, and all that's needed is some yelling at the players or stirring locker room speech. Unfortunately, in big boy world, that **** don't fly. The team has been prepared but the coaches can not make them execute. We could get in some street FAs if fans feel that's the solution? Y'know, show some accountability and all :rolleyes:

yup blame the defense for allowing 21 points, a 50% completion rating, 80 yards rushing and continually putting our offense back on the field to score points....yup its THEIR fault we only scored 1 freaking touchdown today :mcnugget:

this was for those blaming wade, not specifically you

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 09:29 AM
yup blame the defense for allowing 21 points, a 50% completion rating, 80 yards rushing and continually putting our offense back on the field to score points....yup its THEIR fault we only scored 1 freaking touchdown today :mcnugget:

this was for those blaming wade, not specifically you

Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?

amazing80
12-31-2012, 09:29 AM
Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?

really so 1 td prevented our offense from scoring for 60 minutes? gtfo

EllisUnit
12-31-2012, 09:33 AM
Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?

Wade had the right call made the CB and Demps screwed the pooch on that one. Still has nothing to do with the offense not scoring, after schaubs 2nd pick we didn't see the ball again. He should of never put the D in that position.

tedr
12-31-2012, 09:33 AM
I do think as far as Schaub's concerned, we need to see how he performs in the playoffs before writing him off...the same for Kubiak in this year's playoffs- he was 1-1 last year with a 3rd string QB...that's not bad.

tedr
12-31-2012, 09:37 AM
yup blame the defense for allowing 21 points, a 50% completion rating, 80 yards rushing and continually putting our offense back on the field to score points....yup its THEIR fault we only scored 1 freaking touchdown today :mcnugget:

this was for those blaming wade, not specifically you

And, to be fair, 7 of those 21 points came on a short field, after a turnover. I'm of the opinion that if the defense only allows 21 points, our offense should be able to win the game.

Cerberus
12-31-2012, 09:39 AM
Because Wade's D and #80 have performed quite well this season and are more responsible for many more of the Wins than Kubiak and Schaub in my opinion. The defensive forced turnovers and big plays are responsible for MANY of our wins... and Andre's monster games bailing Schaub out of trouble is worth a nod as well.

Kubiak should've been gone after the 6-10 season. Without Wade's defense that was brought in, this team is still that 6-10 team... and the only reason they could maybe finish better is because Titans and Jags haven't improved whatsoever in these past 2 years or so.

Schaub has been mediocre/slightly above average since the beginning. This guy is not the guy to take a team to the promiseland. If after this season we still can't at least get TO the AFC Championship, that's SIX YEARS this guy's had a chance to lead a pretty damn good team to the promiseland.

My rant is not about ONE game. It's about the entire damn season. Hell, the past 2-3 seasons even. Schaub and Kubiak are more to blame for this team's mediocrity than anyone else... especially not #80 or Wade.

I guess the Texans could bring David Carr back, and I guess Dom Capers would give up being GB's DC to become the HC again. No? Well then, maybe JaMarcus Russell or Vince Young would be willing to QB the team, and whatever happened to Sam Wyche or Bruce Coslet, because I'm thinking maybe one of them wants the HC job. :kitten:

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 09:52 AM
really so 1 td prevented our offense from scoring for 60 minutes? gtfo

Umm, yeah, I'll gtfo, when you realise it was the final nail in the coffin and until then, even with the return TD we were still in it. Sorry, but blame Kubes all you want, that play was a killer and it's on Wade for being in the wrong D (yes cover 1 is the wrong D) and Demps for taking a wrong step.

Not sure you remember, but they beat us with the exact same play against the exact same coverage two weeks earlier.

Playoffs
12-31-2012, 10:00 AM
The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.Because Wade's "more saferer" ... just because. http://www.dtvintagefans.org/forum/images/smilies/lalala.gif

Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.

Exactly. Critical thinking eludes whiners.

This team lacks players. We've got too many guys just taking up space. And this team lacks heart. Remove J.J. Watt and this team has no pulse at all.

Duane Brown didn't show up ready to play and Freeney blows by him.

Mike Brisiel at least played pissed off. Eric Winston at least took enough pride in trying to keep his QB clean that he kept his feet under him.

The front seven were winded on defense. Hands on hips, half-hearted efforts. And they left the DBs hanging out to dry because the gave the rookie time.

Coach Phillips needs to come up with something new because our guys were bottled-up. It ain't working anymore. The league has caught up. So put a new wrinkle in. Make an adjustment.

Man, if you can't get up for this game with its playoff implications then you're just coasting, collecting checks. Kubiak is no heart surgeon. These guys need to look in the mirror for that.

gafftop
12-31-2012, 10:05 AM
Question: Why doesn't Schaub ever complete a 3rd and long for a TD like Luck did to us.
Answer: It is hard to throw a long TD pass when a draw or a screen or some other bs play is called.

If the reason is you know Matt has no judgement (1) on whether to make throw or he does not have the skills (2) to do so then how long do you just keep going along with him.

(1) Very possible he has no judgement. Were we in dire straits when Matt threw the long floating bird interception in the 4th quarter? I really think we could have driven down and scored. Was it even 3rd down? That pass reminded me somewhat of TJ in the Baltimore game. I thought Schaubs strength was his kowledge and judgement.

(2)Very possible as shown on first pick of game and on almost all long passes this and every year. We may complete some but the passes are rarely thrown accurately.

So maybe Kubiak has no choice but if that is correct why the hell did he get an extension.

No confidnece in this braintrust.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 10:12 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.


People are blaming Kubiak because he's the guy who keeps Schaub out there. He's the guy in charge. He's the man who leads a chronically underperforming team out the tunnel in big games and never gets the win. Look, it is common knowledge that Gary is overly loyal to players and coaches who are underperforming. He's done it time and time again and now that the Texans are actually good enough to make some noise in this league that same propensity to keep bringing Joe Marciano back and keep believing that Matt will turn things around is coming back to bite him in his ass.

Wade's D is doing what everyone told us it would do in year two, it's taking a step back. We haven't gotten the level of play out of that side of the ball that we did last year or in the first half of this year. They're struggling too. Nobody is saying they aren't.

But this problem is big enough to encapsulate the entire team. This group comes out dead on their feet in big games. If you can't inspire your team to play well for you against equal or better opposition then you have no business leading a team. Sure AJ dropped a pass that went right through his hands. Absolutely saw Matt slinging picks that were entirely his fault. The offensive line was a joke yesterday. They're not playing smart or winning their individual battles and it's tearing everything apart around them. AJ had a crucial back-breaking drop yesterday but if you look at our WR corps you see a unit that's worse than it was last year (and that's including the addition through subtraction of kicking Jacoby to the curb). Yesterday, like it has been too many times this year we got another episode of the AJ & Walter show. Where are all these young WR's we used draft picks on? Posey had one catch and nobody else did a damned thing. Martin? Vanished. Jean? Useless. Every single year we talk about needing help at WR and every year we end up in the same boat at the end of the season. There's AJ and over there's Kevin.

Ultimately though who built this team and prepared it for competition? That's Gary and Gary is always going to be where the buck stops.

GP
12-31-2012, 10:18 AM
Kubiaub.

Morphing two inferior performers into one solid statue of suck.

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 10:30 AM
I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

Kubiak didn't do much to lose this game. The players did. You got that 100% right. What you're missing, however, is a pattern from Kubiak that ends up with him being put in position to lose games for this team when the players have managed to avoid crapping the bed. Sure, when the players just fall apart, it doesn't much matter what the coach does. But when the players have at least kept the team in the game, it often comes down to a play call or series of clock management decisions. How many times have you seen Kubiak just completely give up before the half? Or on a particular series? When it's 3rd and 23 and you have a lead, what does Kubiak ALWAYS do? He gives up. He doesn't call a play that has even the remotest chance of picking up the first down. Other teams TRY.

Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?

Anyway, I haven't bagged on Kubiak much over this game because he was mostly a non-factor. He was a non-factor because his players collapsed, therefore never putting him in a position to make a tight decision.

Porky
12-31-2012, 10:38 AM
When I die, I want the Texans to be my pall bearers so they can let me down one last time.

Gary is part of the buck, but it goes higher than that and laterally. KC put up 300+ yards in the run game against this same D. I wonder who their right tackle is? :thinking:

That's on Rick Smith.

Who traded a very capable run stopping LB in Ryans, and signed a Dallas castoff that isn't half as good? You guessed it. Rick Smith.

Who dumped Troy Nolan and kept Demps - the same Demps who has let people get behind him multiple times for huge game changing plays?


Not sure who made that call, but I'll pin that on Wade. I think Troy Nolan is flat out better not that he is any great shakes.

Who is making the call on who plays ST? Coach Joe? He needs to get #11 out of there, among others. Who drafted #11 when other WR's were available?

Who didn't draft or sign another legit playmaker on offense, and added two rookies with lots to learn? That's on Smithiak.

Who has this team coming out flatter than Calista Flockheart's chest in the two most important games in team history? That's on Gary.

My opinion on Schaub has changed drastically in the last month. Prior to that I saw him as a good chess piece at QB. Not a guy that can take a team on his shoulders and carry them, but a guy you can win a SB with. No longer. He is now a major part of the problem, and not the solution at QB imo. He's a shrinking violet. And has there ever been a more grumpy QB in football? I mean it's one thing to have an even keel, but how about trying to pump up the guys a little bit and show some emotion? It's a small thing I know, but it bothers me for some reason. Schaub is just a slightly less talented version of Tony Romo.

In short, this team is highly flawed, and there is plenty of blame to go around. We are much further from a SB appearance than I could have possibly imagined 6 weeks ago when the cracks first started appearing in the foundation. Ultimately, I pin the blame on Bob McNair more than anyone. He is the ring leader and has assembled the people that are responsible for the roster, and for preparation.

And since they just signed Schaub to a huge extension, I think this team and Schaub are married for the foreseeable future. As for me, I'm filing for divorce on the grounds of irreconcilable differences.

Dishman
12-31-2012, 10:39 AM
Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?

How many TDs have the Texan's offense scored in the last 8 quarters of play? It's just straight up unacceptable for a"high-powered" offense to score one single TD in 8 quarters. If you want to throw Phillips in the mix, fine by me, but the HC is ultimately responsible for the product on the field.

Yes, the Texans went 12-4 this year, but with only one more loss are the Colts (11-5 after 2-14 last year) who were w/out their true HC for basically the entire year. They may be division champs next year at which point all Hell will break loose around here.

Rey
12-31-2012, 10:39 AM
Kubiak didn't do much to lose this game. The players did. You got that 100% right. What you're missing, however, is a pattern from Kubiak

It's not just this year...That's the thing about it.

Kubiak teams have looked better on paper than what they've come out and played like from game to game. We've had a lot of losses under Kubiak where the team just look unprepared, un-inspired and unmotivated...

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 10:42 AM
It's not just this year...That's the thing about it.

LOL, that is why I keep bumping the "Fire Kubiak" thread. I don't have any delusions that he'll actually be fired, but I think there's value in going back and reading people's points from 2009, 2010, and 2011 and realizing that he still has the same problems as a HEAD coach. It just baffles me how people can overlook that.

Pattern recognition.

playa465
12-31-2012, 10:47 AM
People are blaming Kubiak because he's the guy who keeps Schaub out there. He's the guy in charge. He's the man who leads a chronically underperforming team out the tunnel in big games and never gets the win. Look, it is common knowledge that Gary is overly loyal to players and coaches who are underperforming. He's done it time and time again and now that the Texans are actually good enough to make some noise in this league that same propensity to keep bringing Joe Marciano back and keep believing that Matt will turn things around is coming back to bite him in his ass.

Wade's D is doing what everyone told us it would do in year two, it's taking a step back. We haven't gotten the level of play out of that side of the ball that we did last year or in the first half of this year. They're struggling too. Nobody is saying they aren't.

But this problem is big enough to encapsulate the entire team. This group comes out dead on their feet in big games. If you can't inspire your team to play well for you against equal or better opposition then you have no business leading a team. Sure AJ dropped a pass that went right through his hands. Absolutely saw Matt slinging picks that were entirely his fault. The offensive line was a joke yesterday. They're not playing smart or winning their individual battles and it's tearing everything apart around them. AJ had a crucial back-breaking drop yesterday but if you look at our WR corps you see a unit that's worse than it was last year (and that's including the addition through subtraction of kicking Jacoby to the curb). Yesterday, like it has been too many times this year we got another episode of the AJ & Walter show. Where are all these young WR's we used draft picks on? Posey had one catch and nobody else did a damned thing. Martin? Vanished. Jean? Useless. Every single year we talk about needing help at WR and every year we end up in the same boat at the end of the season. There's AJ and over there's Kevin.

Ultimately though who built this team and prepared it for competition? That's Gary and Gary is always going to be where the buck stops.

I can truly get with this post, it has substance that is not a knee jerk reaction. Maybe a consultant needs to be brought in during the season like Dan Reeves etc. to put Kubiak in check or offer advice from a football perspective. Right now I don't think anyone in our organization has the football pedigree to do that. Rick Smith isn't the one and Wade Phillips is not that person either, plus he has his hands full with the defense.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 10:52 AM
Kubiak didn't do much to lose this game. The players did. You got that 100% right. What you're missing, however, is a pattern from Kubiak that ends up with him being put in position to lose games for this team when the players have managed to avoid crapping the bed. Sure, when the players just fall apart, it doesn't much matter what the coach does. But when the players have at least kept the team in the game, it often comes down to a play call or series of clock management decisions. How many times have you seen Kubiak just completely give up before the half? Or on a particular series? When it's 3rd and 23 and you have a lead, what does Kubiak ALWAYS do? He gives up. He doesn't call a play that has even the remotest chance of picking up the first down. Other teams TRY.

Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?

Anyway, I haven't bagged on Kubiak much over this game because he was mostly a non-factor. He was a non-factor because his players collapsed, therefore never putting him in a position to make a tight decision.

First Texans series yesterday ended with a FG because on the play before that (3rd and 9) Gary called a pass to AJ in the flat that went for exactly -3 yards. Drive killer right there. You need 9 yards to keep the drive alive and Gary's out there on the opening posession playing it safe for the FG.

Unless Schaub decided to check down to that and if that's the case then I'd like to know why he does it so often and why he did it on that play. It almost never goes for more than 5 -6 yards.

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 10:55 AM
First Texans series yesterday ended with a FG because on the play before that (3rd and 9) Gary called a pass to AJ in the flat that went for exactly -3 yards. Drive killer right there. You need 9 yards to keep the drive alive and Gary's out there on the opening posession playing it safe for the FG.

Unless Schaub decided to check down to that and if that's the case then I'd like to know why he does it so often and why he did it on that play. It almost never goes for more than 5 -6 yards.

You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

Rey
12-31-2012, 10:57 AM
First Texans series yesterday ended with a FG because on the play before that (3rd and 9) Gary called a pass to AJ in the flat that went for exactly -3 yards. Drive killer right there. You need 9 yards to keep the drive alive and Gary's out there on the opening posession playing it safe for the FG.

Unless Schaub decided to check down to that and if that's the case then I'd like to know why he does it so often and why he did it on that play. It almost never goes for more than 5 -6 yards.

You know...I didn't freak out about it at the time, but I found it kind of odd...

After the field goal Schaub is always out on the field with his tiger face giving the guys high fives....

Not that he shouldn't congratulate the team, but most QB's are on the sideline looking at the pictures trying to figure out how to get 6 instead of 3. It just looks odd to me...Like he's perfectly fine with FG's...Like he feels like it's some kind of victory...

Good QB's hate field goals. That's not a victory man. That's a ****ty consolation prize.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 10:59 AM
You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.


No you ****ing idiot, not the bubble screen. That isn't what he called. This was the same pass to the flat that we throw to AJ 3-4 times a game and have been throwing to him since he got here. Not the same play.

I had your monkey ass on ignore and got curious. Should have known better. You have no more to contribute now than you did then. Back to the box with you.

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 10:59 AM
You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

There are times to run plays and times not to. More importantly, you want to mix it up. I actually think this team should run more draw plays. *gasp* JUST DON"T RUN THEM ON 3RD AND LONG! Mix it up some! The other team watches film and notices trends. If you're sitting on your ass on Sunday and it's 3rd and long, and you know pretty well what the team is going to do, you can rest assured that the other team knows even better than you.

Kubiak gives up on 3rd and long way too often.

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 11:00 AM
Back to the box with you.

LOL! "It puts the lotion in the basket"

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2012, 11:03 AM
Since 1968 I've followed professional football in Houston. It's a wonder I've survived so long, I must have a strong heart. I say we blow up that DOME and Reliant Stadium, it has to be built on an Indian burial ground and move that sucker to Katy, they seem to win the State Championship every year.... Call in a voodoo doctor, an Exorcist, and hope we find good luck, because for some danged reason we're just jinxed. :voodoo:

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 11:07 AM
No you ****ing idiot, not the bubble screen. That isn't what he called. This was the same pass to the flat that we throw to AJ 3-4 times a game and have been throwing to him since he got here. Not the same play.

I had your monkey ass on ignore and got curious. Should have known better. You have no more to contribute now than you did then. Back to the box with you.


Oh dear, name calling? You gonna offer me out next? LOL :spin:

PS - It was the bubble screen. Just watched it again. Shame you're unable to identify even a single play. You should stick to posting on the Comical m8, it suits you better.

Mr teX
12-31-2012, 11:07 AM
Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.

How is it Kubiak's fault that A.J. dropped a ball In. HIS. HANDS...??
How is it Kubiak's fault that Schaub under threw the ball to a wide open Casey who had got beyond the defense??
How is it Kubiak's - or Wade's - fault that they got beat on a 3rd & 20-something?

To do that is to let the players completely off the hook. And, to me, that's just wrong. The players didn't do their damned jobs. Plain and simple.

In years past i may have agreed with everything here...but over the last 3 weeks this team has just not responded the way that a superbowl contender should....& that falls squarely on Kubiak's shoulders.

I watch a ton of NFL shows on the NFL network and 1 of my favorite shows on their is "America's Game" where it chronicles the path of past SB champions. In nearly every one of these episodes there's always a point at which the HC changes something up based on what's going on with a particular player or the season. This usually serves as a catalyst to the team in some way...Sometimes its starting someone over another, sometimes its something as simple as a retreat of some sort to get the guys to bond better as a team as opposed to the same ol' practice routine..other times its just a few statements out to the press (Jimmy Johnson's famous "we will win the game" over the radio show).

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 11:16 AM
In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

I don't think Kubiak has changed up anything he's done for the last decade. He is a believer and he believes in the system. He thinks that if you carry yourself like a Pro then you become one. He thinks that if a team practices the same thing, the same way, every day that it becomes an unstoppable force or some BS. Now that's a little over the top on my part but my point is that he follows the process he believes is responsible for success in this league and he follows it religiously. That doesn't change.

Your true believers never do.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 11:17 AM
Since 1968 I've followed professional football in Houston. It's a wonder I've survived so long, I must have a strong heart. I say we blow up that DOME and Reliant Stadium, it has to be built on an Indian burial ground and move that sucker to Katy, they seem to win the State Championship every year.... Call in a voodoo doctor, an Exorcist, and hope we find good luck, because for some danged reason we're just jinxed. :voodoo:

Not sure if it would help. The entire area may be contaminated by now.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 11:18 AM
Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?


The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

The reason, is because we have not had a DC who could do the same on the defensive side of the ball. We've been putting our blue chips over there because of it. After seeing what Wade did with what he had, I was hoping we would be able to get some "pedigree" on the offensive side of the ball.

Losing Mario killed that. However, if Wade thought Barwin & Reed were good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for most of the year, then I think we were wrong not to take a WR early. Either that, or Wade didn't like what he got in his new toy & we screwed that pick.

At the same time, I think Kubiak should have done a better job of getting the kiddie receivers acclimated to the game. We need them to step up now, but they're just getting their legs under them.

If those kids don't displace Kevin Walter in the play-offs (I still think we'll have more than one game) & we don't get a WR & a tackle/guard in the next draft, I'll be upset.

We still have problems on defense, I'm not saying any different, but it's time for Wade to make some lemonade.

Thorn
12-31-2012, 11:20 AM
When I die, I want the Texans to be my pall bearers so they can let me down one last time.


Spoken like a true Houston fan. + rep

Porky
12-31-2012, 11:21 AM
In years past i may have agreed with everything here...but over the last 3 weeks this team has just not responded the way that a superbowl contender should....& that falls squarely on Kubiak's shoulders.

I watch a ton of NFL shows on the NFL network and 1 of my favorite shows on their is "America's Game" where it chronicles the path of past SB champions. In nearly every one of these episodes there's always a point at which the HC changes something up based on what's going on with a particular player or the season. This usually serves as a catalyst to the team in some way...Sometimes its starting someone over another, sometimes its something as simple as a retreat of some sort to get the guys to bond better as a team as opposed to the same ol' practice routine..other times its just a few statements out to the press (Jimmy Johnson's famous "we will win the game" over the radio show).

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

I have to agree with the above. I was watching the game with a friend, and when the Texans got the ball on their 1st possession, I yelled out "go hurry up". He nodded his head in agreement. When we came out in the 2nd half, I mentioned I might be inclined to start TJ in the 2nd half, even if only for a possession or two, and if not, then go hurry up...or come out firing or whatever. Something different. Give the Colts something they aren't ready for.

The point being, come out and do something unexpected. Shake something up. Not saying the hurry up or TJ Yates is the potion to fix every ailment of the offense, but all I know if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And look at what the Colts did on 3rd and forever with a rookie QB. Did they run a freaking screen to the RB to try and get better field position? Hell no, they went for broke.

And it's completely unnerving that the Colts not only trust their rookie more than the Texans do their 10 yr vet, but the Rookie plays with more smarts and moxie than our vet does. When we had guys running off the field, what did Luck do? Snapped the damn ball, and got an instant 5 yards. That's playing with smarts and veteran leadership. Have you EVER seen Schaub do that? NO! It's Something Schaub seems incapable of doing.

And if Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub to make a play, then it's on him to find someone he does trust instead of re-upping him for 4 years.

Sorry Kube lovers. At the end of the day all roads lead to the same conclusion. Kubes is in over his head, and it's been the same since day freaking one and nothing has changed except I have fewer hairs on my head.

And BTW as a footnote. I was watching inside the game on channel 13 last night, and I personally didn't really care for Kubes answer when Bob Allen asked him what he had to say to the fans.

Rey
12-31-2012, 11:26 AM
The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.


I get what you're saying, but we have 2 probowl OL, a great WR, a pro bowl RB and a pr bowl QB that he hand picked. Hell, he hand picked KW to be his starting WR. KW doesn't suck. OD is a pro bowler top tier TE. Hell Garrett Grahm doesn't suck.

These players may have come to the team via low draft picks or off the scrap heap, but they are no longer lemons once they prove what they're capable of.

What is the difference between Foster and a first round RB? The price you initially paid to get them?

Vonta Leach was a pro bowl FB that we had. Casey has skills that don't get used. Ben Tate is a good second RB....That doesn't get used.

Lets not act like Kubiak is working with a bunch of scrubs or "lemons" over there. Regardless of where they cam from or how they got here, they are good players.

Do we need three pro bowlers on the OL? Another Pro bowl stud WR? Another pro bowl TE?

Man this crap is just a bunch of excuses.

What is so hard about saying they underachieved? They're doing a bad job?

EllisUnit
12-31-2012, 11:27 AM
You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 11:34 AM
The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

The reason, is because we have not had a DC who could do the same on the defensive side of the ball. We've been putting our blue chips over there because of it. After seeing what Wade did with what he had, I was hoping we would be able to get some "pedigree" on the offensive side of the ball.

Losing Mario killed that. However, if Wade thought Barwin & Reed were good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for most of the year, then I think we were wrong not to take a WR early. Either that, or Wade didn't like what he got in his new toy & we screwed that pick.

At the same time, I think Kubiak should have done a better job of getting the kiddie receivers acclimated to the game. We need them to step up now, but they're just getting their legs under them.

If those kids don't displace Kevin Walter in the play-offs (I still think we'll have more than one game) & we don't get a WR & a tackle/guard in the next draft, I'll be upset.

We still have problems on defense, I'm not saying any different, but it's time for Wade to make some lemonade.


Gary's the guy who insists on bringing home all the lemons though. For years he was the guy who put that DC in place who had no clue. That's supposed to be forgivable because he gave him high draft picks to compensate for his lack of knowing how to be a DC? No, I'm sorry. To me this is the worst example of head coaching I can imagine. "Here, learn how to do this and while you're at it waste all of our best assets."?

Now he has to use early picks to salvage his bargain-basement offense.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 11:34 AM
There are times to run plays and times not to.

I didn't have a problem with calling that play there. Just earlier, the Colts ran the same play to the other side & picked up a long third down. The biggest difference, is their players blocked it better than ours did.

KDub & Andre were split pretty far out. There was a receiver playing close to the line on Walter. At the snap, Walter ran right past that guy to block the guy lined up 10 yards deep over Andre, allowing the guy lined up on him free access to Andre.

Newton was coming to block for Andre, but he had to chip the DE. I don't know if it was the way it was drawn up, to get Matt some time, or if he just couldn't avoid the DE. But even if he didn't, there's no way he was going to get that far out to block the guy who was only 3 yards away from Andre.

Walter should have blocked the guy lined up over him, giving Newton time to block the deep guy over Andre. After Andre caught the ball, he should have ran a few steps towards Newton to help him reach his block. At the very least, they never should have been split that wide.


I'll say it again. The Colts ran the exact same play perfectly in the same situation.

EllisUnit
12-31-2012, 11:35 AM
I have to agree with the above. I was watching the game with a friend, and when the Texans got the ball on their 1st possession, I yelled out "go hurry up". He nodded his head in agreement. When we came out in the 2nd half, I mentioned I might be inclined to start TJ in the 2nd half, even if only for a possession or two, and if not, then go hurry up...or come out firing or whatever. Something different. Give the Colts something they aren't ready for.

The point being, come out and do something unexpected. Shake something up. Not saying the hurry up or TJ Yates is the potion to fix every ailment of the offense, but all I know if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And look at what the Colts did on 3rd and forever with a rookie QB. Did they run a freaking screen to the RB to try and get better field position? Hell no, they went for broke.

And it's completely unnerving that the Colts not only trust their rookie more than the Texans do their 10 yr vet, but the Rookie plays with more smarts and moxie than our vet does. When we had guys running off the field, what did Luck do? Snapped the damn ball, and got an instant 5 yards. That's playing with smarts and veteran leadership. Have you EVER seen Schaub do that? NO! It's Something Schaub seems incapable of doing.

And if Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub to make a play, then it's on him to find someone he does trust instead of re-upping him for 4 years.

Sorry Kube lovers. At the end of the day all roads lead to the same conclusion. Kubes is in over his head, and it's been the same since day freaking one and nothing has changed except I have fewer hairs on my head.

And BTW as a footnote. I was watching inside the game on channel 13 last night, and I personally didn't really care for Kubes answer when Bob Allen asked him what he had to say to the fans.

What did he have to say to the fans ?

eriadoc
12-31-2012, 11:36 AM
The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

No. No. Hell no! Hell f&^% NO! Kubiak has built this team. Only one player exists from the pre-Kubiak days. This is Kubiak's baby. You say he's been forced to take less skilled players because the first rounders have gone to defense? Well, for starters, Kubiak is the one who resisted firing Richard Smith. Kubiak is the one who hired Frank Bush. Kubiak is the one who resisted firing Frank Bush. Kubiak is the one who was told, not asked, that Wade Phillips was going to be the new DC. So the defensive woes are all on Kubiak. He's been the head coah for SEVEN YEARS. This is HIS team. He built it, he assembled it, he screened who made the team, he hired the coaches (except Wade), he coached the players, he made the game plans, he made the game calls, and he is the one that turtles up when there's risk.

Kubiak's job is to build a Super Bowl team and win the Super Bowl. It takes time, and some coaches never get there; I get that. But if he's making the decision that it's OK to draft Brandon Harris in the 2nd round instead of an offensive player that can make an impact, that's on him. If he's making the decision to pass up WRs that are out there helping other teams right now in order to take a guy in the 3rd round that didn't even play football last year, that's on him. If he's saying it's OK to take a 3rd round CB that never ends up playing meaningful time for the team instead of taking an offensive contributor, that's on him.

THIS IS KUBIAK'S LEMONADE. He controls the recipe.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 11:36 AM
Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Ignore the noises coming from the box. It quiets down after a while when you do that.

DX-TEX
12-31-2012, 11:38 AM
What did he have to say to the fans ?

http://static.igossip.com/photos_2012/23/gary_kubiak_totally_looks_like_vigo_from_ghostbust ers_ii.jpg

"I am Vigo! The fans are like the buzzing of flies!"

Porky
12-31-2012, 11:41 AM
What did he have to say to the fans ?

It was really snarky and off-putting. Does anyone have tape of this or saw it and can provide a better recap because I was like half asleep but it got my attention, and even Bob and Spencer made a comment about it afterwards. :kitten:

BullNation4Life
12-31-2012, 11:47 AM
This whole thing starts with the top and trickles down. Bob McNair should have had the stones to fire Kubiak when he went 6-10. McNair so desperately wants this Hometown boy taking the Hometown team to the Super Bowl story, it is almost sickening. McNair is a business man, not a football man thus, we get what we get.

Rick Smith and the mismanagement of the salary cap is inexcusable. You had to let the whole right side of your offensive line go, then expect to find in a year what took about 3-4 to gel together. That is ego. Speaking of ego...

Gary Kubiak is the most egotistic, stubborn coach I have ever seen. It's his way or the highway, and his way tends to lose allot of game. You can't run the ball because, A: you offensive line on the right side sucks, B: everybody and their mother knows where you are running. His offense has become so predictable it is sad. He keeps totting out the same players each year, knowing they need fire power on offense. Sticks with Walter at #2 and Casey at FB is just hard headed at the least. He won't set up the run with the pass, alah Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, and he lives and dies by the run. Yes I know his whole offense is based on the running game, but times, they are a changin' and almost everybody is now going to a 3-4 defense, which is a very good run stopping defense. Until he sees the light, and he won't I assure you, get use to 3 and outs and drives stalling in the red zone...

"Fools Gold" Phillips doesn't get off the hook either. It is know through the league that Wade Phillips installs his defense year 1 and it is awesome to see, however every year after, his defenses go backwards. Happens pretty much everywhere he has gone. He too keeps trotting the same players out on the defense that have no business being there. How many time are we gonna see Harris hold a WR because he cannot cover? How many times are we gonna see Demps out of place for a huge play? How many time are we gonna see Brady James get totally sucked in then have a TE blow right past him? Where is Rudd? Saw him in the Lions game covering a TE down field. Phillips doesn't seem to know how to make adjustments. GB, Jax, Lions, Pats, are games that he absolutely looked lost and cunfunded. After the 3rd TD, wouldn't it be time to make adjustments?

Special teams as a whole needs to go and be revamped. I am starting to thing it wasn't all Jacoby Jones and Trendon Holliday's fault. they actually had success in other places.

so fan, you want to lay blame, lay it on the team as a whole. Start with the owner and work your way down and everybody has a share in this debacle...

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 11:47 AM
I get what you're saying, but we have 2 probowl OL, a great WR, a pro bowl RB and a pr bowl QB that he hand picked. Hell, he hand picked KW to be his starting WR. KW doesn't suck. OD is a pro bowler top tier TE. Hell Garrett Grahm doesn't suck.

These players may have come to the team via low draft picks or off the scrap heap, but they are no longer lemons once they prove what they're capable of.

What is the difference between Foster and a first round RB? The price you initially paid to get them?

Vonta Leach was a pro bowl FB that we had. Casey has skills that don't get used. Ben Tate is a good second RB....That doesn't get used.

The biggest difference I see, is that I think those guys are "satisfied" with getting to the Pro-bowl. Being 12-3 & division champs & in the play-offs is acceptable to those guys.

But a guy like Andre who has won his whole life at the highest level of everything he's done... that guy wants more. Jj Watt wants more. KDub is happy to have a starting job. Would probably be happy coming off the bench. Chris Myers has probably accomplished everything he set out to accomplish but a Super Bowl & he's probably ok with that.

Vonta... I think he had that drive for more. I thought Foster did as well. I'm sure Ben Tate does, but I think he's been hurt more than we know.

Lets not act like Kubiak is working with a bunch of scrubs or "lemons" over there. Regardless of where they cam from or how they got here, they are good players.

You know KDub isn't starting on any other team. Wade Smith.... doubt it. Chris Meyers... maybe on another ZBS team. Owen Daniels... I haven't seen a starting caliber OD in years.

Do we need three pro bowlers on the OL? Another Pro bowl stud WR? Another pro bowl TE?

Man this crap is just a bunch of excuses.

What is so hard about saying they underachieved? They're doing a bad job?

Again, the Pro Bowl is the goal for some guys. It's a bump in the road for others. KDub is dreaming about being a Pro Bowler one day. If he doesn't get to the Super Bowl this year, I doubt he'll be as upset as you will be. I have no doubt in mind that Andre will be, that Duane Brown will be. That Jj Watt will be. James Casey... not so much.

Excuses... maybe. But certain players rise to the occasion, others don't.

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 12:00 PM
Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Loads of people on this very board, many complaining about the play calling, have said so. TT should be changed to FF.

steelbtexan
12-31-2012, 12:10 PM
The biggest tell, is that their biggest gripe about the game is that the team came out flat, uninspired, or unmotivated. Those are key words. It means, "I hate the head coach."

Most of these people have already stated they would be upset with Kubiak if we get to but lose the Super Bowl. I'm going to repeat that, because I like to hear myself talk. They said, even though our QB is crap, we have no talent on the OL, our defense is fool's gold, & Arian's a wimp. If we get to the Super Bowl it will be in spite of Kubiak. If we lose, it is because of Kubiak.

I dont hate the Gary, in fact I believe he's done his best job of coaching since he has been here. Fact is this team had very little depth to begin with and then injuries came.

Who's to blame for the lack of depth? we dont know, but I would think Gary has a major say in who's on the roster. So yeah, he should share in the blame. Schaub is Garys handpicked QB and he will succeed or not succeed based on hoe Schaub performs. It's not looking promising at this point.

Runner
12-31-2012, 12:23 PM
What did he have to say to the fans ?

I can't remember word for word. He was asked how he felt about letting down the fans. He basically said he didn't care about the fans, he had a team to worry about.

It seemed like a "screw the fans" attitude to me. I guess he had to vent his anger somewhere.

Mr teX
12-31-2012, 12:35 PM
I can't remember word for word. He was asked how he felt about letting down the fans. He basically said he didn't care about the fans, he had a team to worry about.

It seemed like a "screw the fans" attitude to me. I guess he had to vent his anger somewhere.

yeah, well i know of 53 guys that have no choice but to sit and listen to him venting....they might actually get something out of it to.

Say Watt
12-31-2012, 12:39 PM
I am infuriated. I wish the fans would finally rise together and make a statement. If Gary wins against Cincinnati, which he should, he will get another year, and he probably deserves it. You win a playoff game, and you should keep your job. But if this team plays a stinker, this city better riot. They better let McNair know we are done with this BS and are sick of being spoon fed cow diarrhea while being told it's chocolate ice cream.