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gafftop
12-30-2012, 10:22 PM
Here's mine:
First I want to state I think all the Texans and staff are great human beings and all below is not a personal attack.

Stuck with Smith/Kubiak for at least 3 years because they are really great guys. We will be told 12-4 is the next step to the SB but as some know, more now than 4 games ago, this team is going in the wrong direction.

Smith has been made out to be some wizard but I think in the biggest decision he had was to not trade Mario and get value. The Cowboys build a dynasty by trading Walker and we get basically nothing for Mario. I know we would not have gotten any where near what the Cowboys got but we might have gotten enough cap space to keep our Oline and maybe a 2nd or 3rd draft choice. Also we extended Matt before seeing him play out the season. We are now stuck with him not just because of the contract but because Kubiak is going nowhere. Due to the great management of the salary cap by the wizard we really can't do much next year to really improve.

We may be told again for the 3rd year that our WRs of the future are on the team now. What is the real answer to our present WRs other than Walter and AJ. I think they are knowns. Walter is a 3rd if you want to be nice and Aj is still very good but getting older. Are our other current WRs (a) no good, (b) not getting good coaching (c) Ok but our all pro QB won't go to them because he is only focused on the others

Our Oline has a chance of maybe getting better next year.

Our RBs are above average but I do think Foster has lost some of the fire or should I say dedication during the offseason to be great like last year. A lot may be due to line play but???

TE average to above average.

Our offense at the skill positons are not quick and explosive but some of that may be due to our QB .

I see Matt as the QB for the next couple or more years barring injury because I don't see Kubiak leaving. Matt and Kubes tied at the hip as someone else said. With Matt at QB I could see the Texans contending for a playoff spot for the next couple of years with no real chance to be in the SB. Matt is OK during the season but when the teams get better in the playoffs he is just too limited physically to make the offense effective. With him many things we may want to do on offense we can't because he can't.

With this future for the offense i am not sure it matters what the defense's future is. Could be better, could be the same, or could be worse. It needs to be GREAT for the Texans to be competitive during the season. Once the playoffs start I am afraid great may not be good enough with our offense as I see it.

I see a change in FO/coaching in three to four years.

I think we will compete for a wild card spot behind the Colts after next year. I think it will be back to the same old fight for the playoffs after next year. I think we may be able to win the division once more if all goes well.

Someone else give me their take and raise my hopes.

hradhak
12-30-2012, 10:27 PM
I believe we will get a compensatory pick for Mario. Trades are just not what they used to be with the way Free agency is structured.

We need an o line. I am less concerned about WRs. If we are unable to get a running game going, we are going to have a lot of seasons with the worst 3rd down conversion percentage and struggles in games. O line upgrade needs to happen.

I believe Quin is a FA. We will either need to resign (expensive) or move someone to FS or get a FS in the draft. Right now we probably need a OLB to replace Barwin because we probably won't resign him unless he takes a pay cut.

This team will need to reload some of its players depending on who we let walk. But right now our O line is my #1 priority.

We get an o line I think we are going to get a #1 seed next year.

MEGA SWATT
12-30-2012, 10:35 PM
You know what's depressing? Matt S. will be a yr older, less mobile, less accurate, less resilient and more likely to lay down on any amount of contact. AJ, OD, AF all one yr older.
The only positive I can think of is Brian Cushing coming back at hopefully 90% or better.

Will we lose Watt eventually like Mario Williams hmmm?

amazing80
12-30-2012, 10:39 PM
If Schaub plays like he has the last few weeks on Saturday, there better be a qb competition next season.....THERE BETTER BE :wild:

texanhead08
12-30-2012, 10:44 PM
If Schaub plays like he has the last few weeks on Saturday, there better be a qb competition next season.....THERE BETTER BE :wild:


If we are going to have a QB competition we need someone signed capable of being a starter. If you are talking about Yates I don't think that kid has what it takes to be a starter. The turnover issue he has shown just are too much for anyone to trust their seasons hopes on his shoulders.

amazing80
12-30-2012, 10:45 PM
If we are going to have a QB competition we need someone signed capable of being a starter. If you are talking about Yates I don't think that kid has what it takes to be a starter. The turnover issue he has shown just are too much for anyone to trust their seasons hopes on his shoulders.

lol im not gettin into this again right now, lets wait and see how Matt performs

arb729
12-30-2012, 10:54 PM
Since you all are in B12 territory, how do we feel about Collin Klein? Not to come in and start right away, but as a mid-late rounder. Theoretically speaking Kubiak is a QB coach, and most of what I've seen and read about Klein are that his problems lie with his mechanics. This is the new breed of QB in the league, like it or not.. Could even reinvent the offense like SF and Wash have done.


Just a thought..

texanhead08
12-30-2012, 10:58 PM
Since you all are in B12 territory, how do we feel about Collin Klein? Not to come in and start right away, but as a mid-late rounder. Theoretically speaking Kubiak is a QB coach, and most of what I've seen and read about Klein are that his problems lie with his mechanics. This is the new breed of QB in the league, like it or not.. Could even reinvent the offense like SF and Wash have done.


Just a thought..

Klein is not an NFL QB he has an arm worse than Schaub.

arb729
12-30-2012, 11:00 PM
Klein is not an NFL QB he has an arm worse than Schaub.

this is why i ask those who know :boogie:

Nawzer
12-30-2012, 11:04 PM
If we're lucky, we'll win 10 games next season. That's what we have to look forward to next year and beyond under the current regime and system.

TEXANRED
12-30-2012, 11:06 PM
8-8, 7-9. constantly finishing 2nd or 3rd in the division.

2slik4u
12-30-2012, 11:11 PM
You know what's depressing? Matt S. will be a yr older, less mobile, less accurate, less resilient and more likely to lay down on any amount of contact. AJ, OD, AF all one yr older.
The only positive I can think of is Brian Cushing coming back at hopefully 90% or better.

Will we lose Watt eventually like Mario Williams hmmm?

Wont happen...at least I like to think not.

Watt is LOADS better than Mario ever was. Higher motor. Same size. Stronger. Faster. Not injury ridden.

Watt is a guy you hang on to and pay. He is the guy we will build our defense around for the next ten years. If we let Watt walk a la Mario, I will be reconsidering the amount of time, emotion, and money I put into the Texans as I wouldn't think they truely want to win.

b0ng
12-30-2012, 11:29 PM
Since you all are in B12 territory, how do we feel about Collin Klein? Not to come in and start right away, but as a mid-late rounder. Theoretically speaking Kubiak is a QB coach, and most of what I've seen and read about Klein are that his problems lie with his mechanics. This is the new breed of QB in the league, like it or not.. Could even reinvent the offense like SF and Wash have done.


Just a thought..

Klein throws a very catchable ball. And by "catchable" i mean a baby could catch it without hurting his cute little baby hands.

What I'm saying is if you're tired of Schaub's noodle arm, Collin Klein ain't going to make you forget about it.

ThaShark316
12-30-2012, 11:32 PM
12-4 again in '13

AMartin56
12-30-2012, 11:32 PM
Go after Cousins from the Redskins.

mridge01
12-30-2012, 11:51 PM
Well they definitely aren't trending up. The only other way from there is down.

Big Lou
12-31-2012, 12:19 AM
Go after Cousins from the Redskins.

What's Cousins played like 1 game? We traded two 2ends for a guy who looked good in one start.

TexanBacker93
12-31-2012, 12:28 AM
We couldn't have traded Mario unless we had dealt him at the beginning of last season before he was injured. You can't trade an injured player and this isn't the NBA where you can do sign and trades. The salary cap ramifications are too harsh on the team.

If they had traded him before the season I'm sure all heck would have broken loose about how they were giving up the season before it began. We were coming off a 6-10 season with one of the worst statistically defensive seasons ever.

Demeco was coming back from a season ending injury and we didn't know what to expect from him.

Cushing had a poor 2010 compared to his rookie year so we really didn't know what to expect there.

Barwin was also coming back from a season ending injury.

Watt and Reed were coming in as a rookies.

We signed Manning and Jackson because our secondary was so poor, but you had to think there would be a lot of growing pains.

Mario was the ONLY thing most of us figured would be solid. He wasn't a high motor guy and didn't always dominate the way we wanted him too, but he was the best player on the defense going into last year. They couldn't have traded him without experiencing more backlash than anything they've done since.

Norg
12-31-2012, 02:19 AM
i say lets just wait and see how we do in the playoffs

but if umm Mcnair whats to do some slight change here is what i would do

Fire Kubes Hire Wade phillps

decided if we want to keep schaub or not if not get another stop gap vet QB Tony romo anybody ...??? LOL maybe a change of scenery phillp rivers will be a hot F/A this year

and fire Joe marcenio get a new kicker and punter

Lurvinator11
12-31-2012, 03:00 AM
This is what I believe will happen.

First, Wade will stay. I doubt any team offers a HC job to him. It's unfortunate, but that defensive drop off happened after all.

In the Draft, we will take an ILB with the first pick. Don't know who, but it would surprise me if we got one of those guys. Losing Cushing really hurt, and showed us that as good as Dobbins and James can be, they should not be starting games. Get a stud at ILB with your first overall pick, and have him line up next to Cush or at least backing up or in a rotation. We may take an OT or a TE second round, although I am not sure. The rooks on the Right side of the line will improve with experience. I like what we have in Jones, but I am not so sold on Newton. That will be up to the Kubiak.

Marciano is gone, btw. It will probably be a "resign" but no doubt about it, he is gone. Just think, had ST not given up that KO Return, we could have won the game. We get a new Special teams coach and hopefully they improve.

I believe we improve, and finish strong next season. Our players would need to execute better, but I see it happening.

Finally, the Draft after that, I think we draft Schaubs replacement first round. Let him learn a bit, sit a couple of seasons on the bench, and when Schaubs current deal ends, have the new guy take the reigns. I believe we will be better in the years to come. I know we are feeling bitter right now, but I do believe things will get better.

TheMatrix31
12-31-2012, 03:04 AM
If we're lucky, we'll win 10 games next season. That's what we have to look forward to next year and beyond under the current regime and system.

8-8, 7-9. constantly finishing 2nd or 3rd in the division.


Yeah, if we're lucky we'll win 10. Nevermind the fact that it took everything going wrong at the same time to finish 12 and freakin 4 THIS year.

Could we only win 10 games next year? Sure. Who knows. maybe we only win 5. Maybe we win 15. But to say things like "if we're lucky" or things like that....that's just asinine.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 03:24 AM
Here's mine:

Stuck with Smith/Kubiak for at least 3 years because they are really great guys. We will be told 12-4 is the next step to the SB but as some know, more now than 4 games ago, this team is going in the wrong direction.

There will be 4 teams giving that same speech to their fans. I seriously doubt any of them will say, "Well, we took you as far as we could. Don't expect much next year. We won't be playing for a Super Bowl, but plan on giving you more of the same & hope you find it in your hearts to appreciate such effort."

Smith has been made out to be some wizard but I think in the biggest decision he had was to not trade Mario and get value.

It doesn't work the way you explained, but I think I get what you meant. His biggest problem was working the contracts thinking the cap was going to go up. The Texans were scrambling when they found out it wasn't.

Secondly, I don't think Winston should have ever gotten a $5m/yr contract. He's never played at that level.

We never should have franchised Dunta. Definite waste of money.


We may be told again for the 3rd year that our WRs of the future are on the team now.

WR moved down the board as soon as Mario signed in Buffalo. I didn't want to give Mario $100 mil, but the point is the same. Barwin didn't pan out. Brooks didn't pan out. & Merci hasn't caught on yet. With Cushing missing more than half the season, our defense has been pretty much neutered. We wouldn't have that problem with Mario showing up every now & then.

We've still got a problem at outside pass rush, unless two of the three OLBs on this team really turn it on in the play-offs, we are going to have to address this issue in the draft..... the proven talent is way too expensive in the offseason.

I think our WR need trumps our OLB needs, but I thought the same thing last year. The Texans may not.

Our RBs are above average but I do think Foster has lost some of the fire or should I say dedication during the offseason to be great like last year. A lot may be due to line play but???

This proves to me we're spoiled. Foster had a great year by many RB standards. Not ours though. He had eight 100 yard games. 15 rushing TDs. 1300+ rushing yards.

TE average to above average.

We don't have enough TEs. We run a three TE offense with only two TEs on the roster.

With Matt at QB I could see the Texans contending for a playoff spot for the next couple of years with no real chance to be in the SB.

I think we'll continue to contend for the Super Bowl. We ran out of gas too early this season. We'll find a way to fix that next season. I'm not giving up hope for 2012. We're in the game, so there's still a chance.

I see a change in FO/coaching in three to four years.

I still think we win the division at least three of the next 4 years. It won't be easy. But it hasn't been easy for the Ravens the last 3 years either. Just because Luck is Jesus in cleats, doesn't mean he won't be looking up at us.

I think we will compete for a wild card spot behind the Colts after next year. I think it will be back to the same old fight for the playoffs after next year.


Isn't this the way it's supposed to be? I mean the only reason the Patriots are a lock for the play offs is because their division suck as bad as ours. Even they are not a lock for the AFC Championship game. Just imagine how their fans feel, knowing they won't win a Super Bowl & having to do this every year. Beat bad teams in the regular season, only to putter & fail in the end.

Nobody remembers number 2 & they've been the second best team in the NFL for quite some time now.

Personally, I'd love to be #2........ not at the expense of being number one, but you know what I mean. Right now, I think we're the 6th, maybe 8th best team in the NFL & I see us improving on that over the next 5 years at least.

Norg
12-31-2012, 04:33 AM
this sucks tho now if we want to draft a QB in the 1st round then we wont e able to get our star ILB now in the 1st round DAMMIT !!!!!!!

and the QB class this year sucks thats why i dont think we will draft a QB high we really might just see what yates can do LOL

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 04:58 AM
Yeah, if we're lucky we'll win 10. Nevermind the fact that it took everything going wrong at the same time to finish 12 and freakin 4 THIS year.

Could we only win 10 games next year? Sure. Who knows. maybe we only win 5. Maybe we win 15. But to say things like "if we're lucky" or things like that....that's just asinine.

Well, I haven't put much thought into it. If I remember right, we're going to play the West next year. NFC West & the AFC West, plus the Patriots, plus the Ravens.

Broncos
Raiders
Chargers
Cheifs

49ers
SeaHawks
Rams
Cardinals

Colts
Jags
Titans

Patriots (FYI Colts will play Miami)
Ravens (FYI COlts will play Bengals)


10 games won't be easy, only slightly less difficult for the Colts.

Lurvinator11
12-31-2012, 05:06 AM
It amazes me that everyone and their mom is talking like we are going to be replacing Schaub this offseason.

He just got an extension at the beginning of the season. Also led us to a 12-4 record. We are not giving up on Schaub. Not now at least. Live with your investment.