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powda
12-30-2012, 04:46 PM
If wade phillips is here and we're going to play 30-40 3 safety sets per game maybe its time to invest in another safety. Demps is marginal at best. 2-4th round maybe?

TimeKiller
12-30-2012, 05:46 PM
I've definitely said as much. I proposed Eric Reid in the 1st, I think he'd fit right in and boost the 2ndary.

beerlover
12-31-2012, 09:22 AM
Quin is a free agent, as much as I like him, he is limited. If Texans spend a first expect him to have walked. I prefer Texas SS Kenny Vaccaro.

WolverineFan
12-31-2012, 07:39 PM
Give me Matt Elam from Florida. One of the few big hitting ball hawks out there.

TimeKiller
12-31-2012, 07:41 PM
Give me Matt Elam from Florida. One of the few big hitting ball hawks out there.

I'd be good with a Muschamp product. That D played with some huevos.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 04:36 PM
Read some good things out of the Shrine Game Practices about Cooper Taylor (Richmond and Ga Tech), 6'4 228 lbs with good speed for his size and Zeke Motta (sp?) from Notre Dame.

Where do you guys think they will get drafted?

Think I'm gonna watch the game tonight.

badboy
01-17-2013, 05:01 PM
If you are going first round for safety how about Xavier Rhodes or Amerson who could be there in second?

Playoffs
01-17-2013, 05:05 PM
Maybe even 1st if the talent shakes out that way?

76Texan
01-17-2013, 05:12 PM
I think we resign Quin so I'm just looking for a lower round guy with a certain upside.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 05:29 PM
A little something on Cooper Taylor from the Bengals Board

He originally played at Georgia Tech.In 2009 he was sent to the hospital where he was diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome. Immediate surgery fixed the problem, but he sat out the remainder of the season with a medical red shirt status.By the next year GT's secondary had plenty of talent so he transferred to Richmond.

Taking over the strong safety job, Taylor once again shined. In eight starts, he recorded 63 tackles, a forced fumble and an interception. His intelligence and ability to make hard open field tackles earned him some extra playing time in the defense's bandit hybrid safety/linebacker.

This season, Taylor established himself as one of the CAA's premier players, and as one of the top strong safeties in the NFL Draft. He's a two-time CAA Player of the Week, and he's putting together his best performance lately, collecting 13 tackles, a forced fumble and two QB hurries in a 39-0 route of Rhode Island last week.

Through eight starts, Taylor's racked up 63 total tackles, three tackles for loss and two forced fumbles. In coverage he's having his finest overall season, totalling five pass break-ups and three interceptions—one returned or a touchdown.


Draft Report

Taylor isn't built like a prototypical coverage NFL safety. He's long and strong (6'4", 228 lbs) and lacks the fluidity and body control to be an every down defensive back in the pros.

Despite his size, he has explosive speed, running 40-yard dashes as low at 4.47. He's stiff in the hips, but his nose for the ball and ability to read the play makes him effective in zone coverage. Taylor also moves well laterally, overcoming his height by maintaining a low center of gravity close to the line. He's an aggressive tackler, with the feet and technique to cover shiftier running backs and speedier slot receivers.

Where Cooper makes his money is his combination of size, speed and football acumen. He's a fierce hitter with a fearless playing style. A monster in the box, he loves to blow up running backs, and his above average wheels make him a top-shelf blitzer. Blessed with great hands, his motor and extra length helps him shed blockers and get to the ball.

More update for the whole 10-game season:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/2013/1/15/3879586/draft-spotlight-cooper-taylor-and-david-bass

Some video cut ups:

He wears #22 at Ga Tech (Yellow Jackets)
This game was against Florida ST. I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keDMX76oW1Q

He wears #1 for the Richmond Spiders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3S8NeuLknM

Corrosion
01-17-2013, 05:46 PM
If wade phillips is here and we're going to play 30-40 3 safety sets per game maybe its time to invest in another safety. Demps is marginal at best. 2-4th round maybe?

Ive been thinking about that a bit myself. I think you keep Quin and invest a high pick on the position. I said in another thread that in Wades defense that 3rd safety is very important .... Looks like Im not the only one who believes that to be the case.


I dont have any particular players targeted at the position yet .... but in my next round of evaluations , the S spot will be one of the top priorities.

Wolf6151
01-17-2013, 06:32 PM
If you are going first round for safety how about Xavier Rhodes or Amerson who could be there in second?

Bingo.... I don't like the idea of going Safety early, but if we do it had better be someone with coverage skills and both of these CB's will probably become a FS in the NFL.

Scooter
01-17-2013, 06:47 PM
we play the 3rd safety because we dont have any options at linebacker. fix the problem of not having a linebacker with any coverage skills and it frees up our secondary. it also eliminates most of the ugly run blitz we see all game from players waiting to react to what their assignment does - since another linebacker taking keys frees up the line to attack without having to protect the secondary from spread runs.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 06:52 PM
we play the 3rd safety because we dont have any options at linebacker. fix the problem of not having a linebacker with any coverage skills and it frees up our secondary. it also eliminates most of the ugly run blitz we see all game from players waiting to react to what their assignment does - since another linebacker taking keys frees up the line to attack without having to protect the secondary from spread runs.

That's the reason I wanted to take a look at big guys like Cooper.
He's as close to a hybrid safety/LB as you can get.

Corrosion
01-17-2013, 06:55 PM
Bingo.... I don't like the idea of going Safety early, but if we do it had better be someone with coverage skills and both of these CB's will probably become a FS in the NFL.

I really considered Amerson in my last mock as a CB. I think he'd be the ideal guy in this draft to play that 3rd safety spot with Quinn and Manning.

He might last to the second round , but I seriously doubt he falls all the way to the tail end of the round. Might have to move up to get him .... and Im not sure I'd be willing to give up picks to do that as there are so many needs to fill. Maybe after FA I'd be more willing to make a move up.


we play the 3rd safety because we dont have any options at linebacker. fix the problem of not having a linebacker with any coverage skills and it frees up our secondary. it also eliminates most of the ugly run blitz we see all game from players waiting to react to what their assignment does - since another linebacker taking keys frees up the line to attack without having to protect the secondary from spread runs.

Not necessarily true , even when Cushing was healthy they went with only one LBer as Barwin and Reed were essentially DE's and the ILB opposite Cushing was replaced by a DB.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 07:03 PM
I really considered Amerson in my last mock as a CB. I think he'd be the ideal guy in this draft to play that 3rd safety spot with Quinn and Manning.

He might last to the second round , but I seriously doubt he falls all the way to the tail end of the round. Might have to move up to get him .... and Im not sure I'd be willing to give up picks to do that as there are so many needs to fill. Maybe after FA I'd be more willing to make a move up.




Not necessarily true , even when Cushing was healthy they went with only one LBer as Barwin and Reed were essentially DE's and the ILB opposite Cushing was replaced by a DB.

That's when I want the big safety to come in, when we go to our dime package.
Let Quin go back to play safety; this big guy can play the run better and he can cover a back better than the normal LB, and he also matches up with a second TE better than a small safety.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 07:08 PM
Last year, I suggested Andrew Rich as a late rounder (6th or 7th).
He was 6'3-220 and played safety at BYU where they often put him on the TE and bring in another safety just like we do.

He went undrafted but was called by 3 different teams.
I read that he was seriously considered for a roster spot on the Cardinals team; he was constantly running with the second team even though his leg injury wasn't quite healed yet.

But finally he decided not to play football to devote more time to his family (he's a Mormon.)
His newborn son was diagnosed with a heart disease.

thunderkyss
01-17-2013, 07:16 PM
we play the 3rd safety because we dont have any options at linebacker. fix the problem of not having a linebacker with any coverage skills and it frees up our secondary. it also eliminates most of the ugly run blitz we see all game from players waiting to react to what their assignment does - since another linebacker taking keys frees up the line to attack without having to protect the secondary from spread runs.

I thought the same as well, but after thinking about it, with TEs like Gronk, Hernandez, Grahams, Finely, Gresham.. I like having a biggish safety covering. I'd actually like to make Routte a safety if we resign him.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 07:57 PM
If you are going first round for safety how about Xavier Rhodes or Amerson who could be there in second?

How is Amerson in the tackling department?
Is he physical ? Does he deliver big hits ?

But if we resign Quin, taking a safety in the first two rounds may not be ideal when he doesn't play much and we still have other holes to fill ???

Unless a really good one is available that we simply can't resist, that is.

steelbtexan
01-17-2013, 08:39 PM
Read some good things out of the Shrine Game Practices about Cooper Taylor (Richmond and Ga Tech), 6'4 228 lbs with good speed for his size and Zeke Motta (sp?) from Notre Dame.

Where do you guys think they will get drafted?

Think I'm gonna watch the game tonight.

Great prospect,

I've got him ranked in the early/mid 3rd. You?

What time/channel is the game on?

aussie_texan
01-17-2013, 08:44 PM
swearinger from south carolina i mocked him in the 5th. great open field tackler and well above average in coverage, his one of my sleepers this year

ralph
01-17-2013, 11:38 PM
How is Amerson in the tackling department?
Is he physical ? Does he deliver big hits ?

But if we resign Quin, taking a safety in the first two rounds may not be ideal when he doesn't play much and we still have other holes to fill ???

Unless a really good one is available that we simply can't resist, that is.

Rhodes is bigger and tackles better than Amerson.

If I had to pick a safety early it'd be Elam. Then Vaccaro, Rhodes, Amerson in that order.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 11:55 PM
Great prospect,

I've got him ranked in the early/mid 3rd. You?

What time/channel is the game on?

Actually, it won't be until Sat, 3 P.M. on the NFL network.

Also, keep an eye on the OT from Arkansas Pine Bluff.
Don't know if he's going to play LT or RT, but was really dominating at the lower level.
Name is Terron Armstead #70 at Pine Bluff.

I haven't ranked the safeties yet, I'm just starting to watch them.
There seems to be some pretty good ones, not great but quite good.

TJ McDonald (USC) and Robert Lester (alabama) play everywhere; they were put on TEs, RBs, even on WRs at times. Both can blitz, too.

Lester looks to have good ball skills. He had had quite a few INTs over the years and I've seen quite a few close ones, too.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 11:56 PM
Rhodes is bigger and tackles better than Amerson.

If I had to pick a safety early it'd be Elam. Then Vaccaro, Rhodes, Amerson in that order.

OK, thanks. I'll spend sometimes on all the names y'all listed here.

steelbtexan
01-18-2013, 12:12 AM
Actually, it won't be until Sat, 3 P.M. on the NFL network.

Also, keep an eye on the OT from Arkansas Pine Bluff.
Don't know if he's going to play LT or RT, but was really dominating at the lower level.
Name is Terron Armstead #70 at Pine Bluff.

I haven't ranked the safeties yet, I'm just starting to watch them.
There seems to be some pretty good ones, not great but quite good.

TJ McDonald (USC) and Robert Lester (alabama) play everywhere; they were put on TEs, RBs, even on WRs at times. Both can blitz, too.

Lester looks to have good ball skills. He had had quite a few INTs over the years and I've seen quite a few close ones, too.

I read that Armstead is tearing it up in the East/West practices.

This appears to be the deepest S class in a while. I look forward to your wrie ups on the S.

76Texan
01-18-2013, 03:44 PM
Rhodes is bigger and tackles better than Amerson.

If I had to pick a safety early it'd be Elam. Then Vaccaro, Rhodes, Amerson in that order.

Looks like Vaccaro is playing nickel at UT, you think he can make the transition to safety smoothly?

I've only watched a couple of games and he wasn't on any TE.

76Texan
01-18-2013, 03:48 PM
Actually, it won't be until Sat, 3 P.M. on the NFL network.

Also, keep an eye on the OT from Arkansas Pine Bluff.
Don't know if he's going to play LT or RT, but was really dominating at the lower level.
Name is Terron Armstead #70 at Pine Bluff.

I haven't ranked the safeties yet, I'm just starting to watch them.
There seems to be some pretty good ones, not great but quite good.

TJ McDonald (USC) and Robert Lester (alabama) play everywhere; they were put on TEs, RBs, even on WRs at times. Both can blitz, too.

Lester looks to have good ball skills. He had had quite a few INTs over the years and I've seen quite a few close ones, too.

Neither Lester nor McD looks like they can man centerfield.

Both are pretty weak in tackling, especially Lester.

He has the ball skill while TJ is a more physical player and a little more instinctive.

I think they can play cover 2, but would that be even worth a second round pick?
Maybe for another team, but I'm not sure about the Texans.

76Texan
01-18-2013, 03:50 PM
Elam seems to play out of control a bit; I think he's gonna get called a lot and get fined a bunch if he continues his way.

It's a shame with all these new rules though.

76Texan
01-18-2013, 03:58 PM
I watched Rhodes a bit, and Amerson a bit more, not enough to give an opinion though, so I'll wait on those guys.

But the guy with a solid overall game might be Eric Reid from LSU.
What do you guys think about him?

WolverineFan
01-18-2013, 05:24 PM
Elam seems to play out of control a bit; I think he's gonna get called a lot and get fined a bunch if he continues his way.

It's a shame with all these new rules though.

He will see his share of fines for sure. That said, he makes plays in coverage. Definitely the biggest "playmaker" at S in this draft IMO. Probably the only back seven defender on UF that didn't play horrible against Louisville.

Rey
01-18-2013, 06:24 PM
swearinger from south carolina i mocked him in the 5th. great open field tackler and well above average in coverage, his one of my sleepers this year

Swearinger is who I'd target. I love his game actually more than some of the tip safety prospects.

He's a better player than vaccaro IMO. Not really close.

htownfan32
01-19-2013, 06:29 PM
What do you guys think of Bacarri Rambo? And where would you see the Texans taking him if at all?

badboy
01-19-2013, 07:20 PM
How is Amerson in the tackling department?
Is he physical ? Does he deliver big hits ?

But if we resign Quin, taking a safety in the first two rounds may not be ideal when he doesn't play much and we still have other holes to fill ???

Unless a really good one is available that we simply can't resist, that is.Here is a good article mentioning social media that has drawn Amerson's focus from his play. I think at that age it is quite easy to get caught up in what others say both con & pro. http://collegefootball.ap.org/starnewsonline/content/wolfpacks-amerson-having-rough-year-secondary

Some scouts will have concerns about his speed and athleticism but if he's lacking in this area it clearly didn't hinder his ability to produce in 2011. He simply needs to regain his old form and worry about any physical or off-field concerns that scouts may have once the draft process begins in January.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1365342-nfl-draft-stock-report-whats-wrong-with-david-amerson

As a run defender, Amerson willingly sticks his face in the meat grinder and is an overall sound tackler for a corner having registered at least 50 stops in each of his 3 seasons.

With NC State playing a heavily zone based defensive scheme, Amerson was almost never asked to take his vision away from the quarterback or to go and eliminate a wide receiver at the line of scrimmage. He would be stripped of his instincts if he couldn’t face and read the quarterback. Press-man coverage puts your direct vision on the wide receiver and is much more demanding physically, trust me. He’ll likely be coveted by zone principled defenses where his skills are a premium.

He and his former head coach Tom O’Brien both agreed that Amerson abandoned areas of technique in his game in order to make every play out there. 2012 showed us that Amerson does indeed have that unique quality found in every great defensive back, amnesia.

Much more here: http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2013-nfl-draft-don-t-give-up-on-david-amerson.html

Personally I get more from Darrius Slay in late third than Amerson in high to mid second round.

76Texan
01-19-2013, 09:56 PM
What do you guys think of Bacarri Rambo? And where would you see the Texans taking him if at all?

I've watched a few of his games. He looks pretty good; but he's a problem child off the field though.

I like to watch more of him and Amerson (and others).

But I do think Rambo is a good player.

Amerson, I'm stil trying to figure out if he can make the conversion to safety.
He probably can, but it's still early.

There's time to look at all of them deeper.

76Texan
01-20-2013, 12:48 PM
swearinger from south carolina i mocked him in the 5th. great open field tackler and well above average in coverage, his one of my sleepers this year

Swearinger looks like a football player.
He has very good closing speed and a good instinct for the game.

Not quite sure about his coverage ability yet, but I've seen him get burned a couple times already. I still need to watch more of him though.
But he might get flagged some like Elam for going in high with his tackle (what with offensive players in the NFL taking advantage of the rules.)

powda
01-20-2013, 01:10 PM
Gimme a ball hawk with a nose for ints and speed. Seems we got far fewer turnovers this year then last...dont know if thats statistically accurate, but it appeared that way over the last half of the season at least.

1 safety
2 quarterback
3 nosetackle
3 inside linebacker
4 tackle/ guard

Plus a legit wr in free agency...

It's time to find out if earl mitchell can start at nose.

76Texan
01-20-2013, 01:37 PM
Gimme a ball hawk with a nose for ints and speed. Seems we got far fewer turnovers this year then last...dont know if thats statistically accurate, but it appeared that way over the last half of the season at least.

1 safety
2 quarterback
3 nosetackle
3 inside linebacker
4 tackle/ guard

Plus a legit wr in free agency...

It's time to find out if earl mitchell can start at nose.I'm really torn about the safety situation.

It looks like the Texans will bring back Quin.
(Quin seems to be really upbeat about the prospect.)

If that's the case, should we find a great safety with a high draft pick?

There isn't one sure thing in this class to begin with.

There are some pretty good ones, but none I think can take over Manning spot in a few years.

It might be better to find a big one that can play in the box but also can cover the big TE and RB so we can move Quin back in the dime package.

We can find another safety next year or the year after next???

For all we know, the Texans might not even draft a safety next year and just go with Eddie Pleasant. :thinking:

Pleasant isn't a bad player but I am concerned about his coverage skills.

steelbtexan
01-20-2013, 01:38 PM
I watched Rhodes a bit, and Amerson a bit more, not enough to give an opinion though, so I'll wait on those guys.

But the guy with a solid overall game might be Eric Reid from LSU.
What do you guys think about him?

Even though Reid had a bad Sr. yr, he's still my top rated S. He has all of the talent the great ones have. I remember the 1st LSUAla game 2 yrs ago. he was all over the field and literally saved the game by making an amazing pass breakup in the end zone that saved the game. Very few S have the ability to make that play.

I also love Rhodes, but see him as a CB in the Charles Woodson mold that can move to S later in his career. He is a former WR who moved to CB so he's a bit raw but his talent is undeniable.

My S ratings look like this before the combine.

1. Reid
2.Swearinger
3. Jefferson
4.Rambo
5.Phillp Thomas.

The reason I dont have Elam/Viccaro rated is Elam isn't all that great in coverage/will be penalty prone and I dont feel comfortable with Viccaro as my last line of defense.

My 2 sleeper picks that I would look at in the supp 3rd/4th rd who would be perfect for the Texans defense are

1. Duke Williams, he has the speed to play the slot WR or the single high S. He also is great as the last line of defense as a tackler.

2.Cooper Taylor, dude is 6'4 230lbs, he can play Quins spot in the box or has the speed to play deep. This guy is a player. Reminds me of a young David Fulcher.

powda
01-20-2013, 02:03 PM
I'm really torn about the safety situation.

It looks like the Texans will bring back Quin.
(Quin seems to be really upbeat about the prospect.)

If that's the case, should we find a great safety with a high draft pick?

There isn't one sure thing in this class to begin with.

There are some pretty good ones, but none I think can take over Manning spot in a few years.

It might be better to find a big one that can play in the box but also can cover the big TE and RB so we can move Quin back in the dime package.

We can find another safety next year or the year after next???

For all we know, the Texans might not even draft a safety next year and just go with Eddie Pleasant. :thinking:

Pleasant isn't a bad player but I am concerned about his coverage skills.

I dont think its what we WILL do, I think its what we SHOULD do. People pick out all 3 defensive needs (ilb, safety, nose) and say, "it's a waste because they'll only be on the field x amount of time." So lets get 1 guy for the base defense and 1 guy for the nickle early. I want a new talent on the back end (safety) and one in the front 7 (nt) early along with a qb to unseat schaub in 2014. We have young talent at wr and ol which should get better so I dont address those needs till the middle rounds or with a 2nd tier free agent. If we have 1 "splash free agent" gimme a wr who will actually help now. Ilb is kinda the afterthought for me. Sure we need depth but we have cush comming back and james/dobbin did ok in his absence. Nothing great, not an atrocity.

I want a safety who can move because a slower run stopping safety is easier to find...in fact keo may be that guy as long as you use him to his strengths and dont give him to much field to cover.

A legit bruiser at nose keeps the inside backers clean and makes them more effective which is why I prioritize that position over ilb. Plus just maybe he makes watts job a lil easier.

I dont know enough yet about actual players in the upcoming draft which is why i'm only looking at it from a positional standpoint.

Corrosion
01-20-2013, 02:39 PM
I dont think its what we WILL do, I think its what we SHOULD do. People pick out all 3 defensive needs (ilb, safety, nose) and say, "it's a waste because they'll only be on the field x amount of time." So lets get 1 guy for the base defense and 1 guy for the nickle early. I want a new talent on the back end (safety) and one in the front 7 (nt) early along with a qb to unseat schaub in 2014. We have young talent at wr and ol which should get better so I dont address those needs till the middle rounds or with a 2nd tier free agent. If we have 1 "splash free agent" gimme a wr who will actually help now. Ilb is kinda the afterthought for me. Sure we need depth but we have cush comming back and james/dobbin did ok in his absence. Nothing great, not an atrocity.

I want a safety who can move because a slower run stopping safety is easier to find...in fact keo may be that guy as long as you use him to his strengths and dont give him to much field to cover.

A legit bruiser at nose keeps the inside backers clean and makes them more effective which is why I prioritize that position over ilb. Plus just maybe he makes watts job a lil easier.

I dont know enough yet about actual players in the upcoming draft which is why i'm only looking at it from a positional standpoint.

Both James and Dobbins are FA's.

As for "position X being a waste because its only on the firld Y%" .... its a legit arguement. But I think you have to look at which position is going to do more to limit the opposition and with this becoming more and more a passing league , I think a 3rd safety would be a bigger benefit in the grand scheme than a NT or ILB.

steelbtexan
01-20-2013, 04:12 PM
Yep,

It's a passing league, so you better have pass rushers 2-3 atleast.

3-4 CB's, atleast 3 S that are interchangable and 1-2 LB's that can both rush and are atleast in coverage.

How many of these holes are currently filled on the Texans defense? And that's not even taking into acct the current state of the Texans offense. Keeping the defense off the field is the best defense. This is why I hope the Texans quit neglecting the offense and put the pieces in place for them to be successful.

Watching Julio Jones light it up today only confirms my thought process. Looks like the Falcons are going to the SB and 2 yrs ago the Falcons were supposedly mortgaging their future trading 2 first rd picks and 5 total picks for Jones. 6-120-2TD's in the 1st half is making Dimitroffs risk taking look like a genius move. Wish BoB/Rick/Gary and Wade would take chances like this. (Not going to happen)

thunderkyss
01-20-2013, 04:40 PM
If Bradie James comes back, then Wade's just as bad as Kubiak & Walter.

Rey
01-20-2013, 04:53 PM
Bradie James can kick rocks, but I don't think it's the end if the world if he's brought back as depth and has to earn a roster spot.

Similar for Walter...have no issue with him on the team as a niche player. Walter should mainly be used in the slot or as a flanker or wing used to block and make short possession type catches.

beerlover
01-20-2013, 05:11 PM
Bradie James can kick rocks, but I don't think it's the end if the world if he's brought back as depth and has to earn a roster spot.

Similar for Walter...have no issue with him on the team as a niche player. Walter should mainly be used in the slot or as a flanker or wing used to block and make short possession type catches.

Just long as they accept a pay cut, Texans cannot continue to overpay mediocrity.

Rey
01-20-2013, 05:50 PM
Just long as they accept a pay cut, Texans cannot continue to overpay mediocrity.

Of course.

If not just get rid of them.

76Texan
02-05-2013, 01:46 AM
Add another name to the list, Jonathan Cyprien from little known Florida Intl'.

There are 3 games out there on youtube: Louisville, W. Kent, and FAU.

He showed well during the Senior Bowl week and is currently rated by CBS Sports to be a mid round prospect.

I have a couple more games I think I will try to watch.

Look to have good range and flex hips; I think he has potential.

Corrosion
02-05-2013, 02:16 AM
Bradie James can kick rocks, but I don't think it's the end if the world if he's brought back as depth and has to earn a roster spot.

Similar for Walter...have no issue with him on the team as a niche player. Walter should mainly be used in the slot or as a flanker or wing used to block and make short possession type catches.

James was paid the vet minimum last season ..... $825k.

WolverineFan
02-05-2013, 08:13 PM
Add another name to the list, Jonathan Cyprien from little known Florida Intl'.

There are 3 games out there on youtube: Louisville, W. Kent, and FAU.

He showed well during the Senior Bowl week and is currently rated by CBS Sports to be a mid round prospect.

I have a couple more games I think I will try to watch.

Look to have good range and flex hips; I think he has potential.

Cyprien is flying up draft boards. Probably a late 2nd-early 3rd prospect at this point.

RT22
02-05-2013, 11:41 PM
A safety that I really like as a fit for the Texans is Duke Williams Nevada 6'-0" 200. Look him up and let me know your thoughts?

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 12:10 AM
A safety that I really like as a fit for the Texans is Duke Williams Nevada 6'-0" 200. Look him up and let me know your thoughts?

Yep he can cover the TE or slot and is fearless against the run. Everybody is talking Cyprien up (Rightfully so) but Williams was the best S on the field during the Sr.Bowl. He'exactly what the Texans need to replace Demps/Keo.

Wolf6151
02-06-2013, 08:31 PM
Some folks on here have talked about finding a tall Safety with speed to cover the tall athletic TE's in the league. What would yall think of Tharold Simon-CB from LSU, and move him to Safety? He's listed as 6'02 and 193 lbs. with 4.54 projected speed. I don't know much about him but from the film I've seen he's fairly good at coverage with good athleticism. Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.

powda
02-06-2013, 09:18 PM
Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.

Thats my thought as well...i want a guy who covers a lot of territory and has a knack for int's. I wonder if thats the consensus? Sounds like lots of folks have a pollard type in mind.

76Texan
02-06-2013, 10:24 PM
Thats my thought as well...i want a guy who covers a lot of territory and has a knack for int's. I wonder if thats the consensus? Sounds like lots of folks have a pollard type in mind.

Most of the guys we discuss here have better coverage skill than Pollard; quite a few of them might be even better (in time or soon enough) than Quin on the bigger TEs and some of them are ball hawks with good range (speed).

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 10:26 PM
Some folks on here have talked about finding a tall Safety with speed to cover the tall athletic TE's in the league. What would yall think of Tharold Simon-CB from LSU, and move him to Safety? He's listed as 6'02 and 193 lbs. with 4.54 projected speed. I don't know much about him but from the film I've seen he's fairly good at coverage with good athleticism. Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.

If you're looking for that type of S the two that I really like are Tony jefferson in rd 3 or Duke Williams in Rd 4-5. Viccaro is the best and will probably be a top 20 pick.

powda
02-06-2013, 11:50 PM
Most of the guys we discuss here have better coverage skill than Pollard; quite a few of them might be even better (in time or soon enough) than Quin on the bigger TEs and some of them are ball hawks with good range (speed).

I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.

76Texan
02-07-2013, 12:25 AM
I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.

Quin still didn't do very well against the TEs; he did OK.

We can go several ways in the draft:

- Get a ball hawk (higher pick) and let Quin (if he's resigned) remains where he is.

- Move Quin back permanently to deep safety and draft a big safety with coverage skill on TEs.

- Get an ILB with coverage skill so we don't have to go to dime much (only against no back set.)

In nickel, this ILB and Cushing will take on the TE & RB, Harris or McCain (if he's resigned) will take on the slot, and Quin/Manning will play 2 deep safeties.
If one of the ILBs go down on a zone dog, one of the OLBs would drop back to take over coverage duty.
If we go with a 5-man blitz, either Quin or Manning will take the TE.

thunderkyss
02-07-2013, 08:50 AM
I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.

I'm with you. Gover Quin was excellent in pass coverage on TEs this year. Gronk is going to get his, Hernandez is going to get his, especially when the refs allow you to get run over. I don't think anyone did as well against the big, fast TEs as Quin did & I don't know if it's possible (these TEs are still relatively new).

What we need is a safety who can make plays on the ball. Either get another good man coverage safeties & allow Manning to stay back, or get a true ball hawking safety to play center field & let Manning play up.

I like what Quin & Manning are doing close to the LOS. Manning I think is better on the blitzes & run, Quin better in coverage & more physical with them big TEs.

So I lean more to a true ball-hawking safety. But if we get an in-the-box guy, that will allow us to let Manning roam on the back end.

thunderkyss
02-07-2013, 09:00 AM
- Get an ILB with coverage skill so we don't have to go to dime much (only against no back set.)


I think this is where the game is evolving. Glover Quin was a corner who played well against the run. Even before the move to safety, he kicked inside & we put McCain outside. Quin played like a LB with coverage skills, but he's too small to be considered a LB, which makes him a safety.

Now we've got that guy you were asking about last week on the practice squad. A safety who got too big, so he was moved to ILB. If he can cover like a corner (most safeties can't) then he may be what we're looking for.

Tony Gonzales, Antonio Gates, Jason Whitten, Dallas Clark, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham, Gronkosky, Jermaine Gresham, Jermichael Finley, Matellus Bennett......... These big WRs are becoming more & more the norm.

Wolf
02-11-2013, 11:13 PM
Nfl.com mocks LSU Reid to us in first

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100?campaign=Facebook_writers_jeremiah

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 11:44 PM
Nfl.com mocks LSU Reid to us in first

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100?campaign=Facebook_writers_jeremiah

That's the one pick, so far, that sounds like something the Texans would do. Outside the box, as most of us haven't identified safety as such a high need, but it makes sense. Sense in so much as we could definitely use some help on the back end.

Not a consistently powerful tackler, and will lunge and miss in the open field as he often fails to break down quickly.

But this doesn't sound like a Texans' DB. At least pre Wade.

If he can make the plays on the back end, like he did at LSU, I'd be happy

76Texan
03-08-2013, 01:48 PM
Add another guy to the list: Dexter McCoil, Tulsa.
About 6'4 plus, 220 plus.
I'll be looking for him to run in the mid 4'5 at his pro day.
I'll post a picture of him later when I have a chance.
Long arm, good built.
17 or 18 career INTs.

There are some obvious draw backs with a guy that tall as his steps can be too long (easier to run past a play) or tackling too high (here his long arms help.)

I've watched 4 of his games, not bad at all; a sleeper here - dunno for how long.

Watch the game against BYU in 2011 (BYU is a good passing team), he had 3 INTs (one was called back due to an offside).
There are 3 other games on youtube:
Arkansas, a pretty good passing team;
UCF, in the CUSA championship;
Iowa St, in the Liberty Bowl.

He can be a little over-aggressive at times, but that's what a ball-hawk does sometimes.

He can play at different positions: 2 deep, one deep (showing good range here), in the box; covering a slot or a TE (I'm a little concern with him being able to flip his hips, but he doesn't look all that stiff). Wish I can see him at a work-out to check out these concerns; but overall, he looks like another dark horse to me.

76Texan
03-09-2013, 12:27 PM
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/25/files/2012/12/66643221-300x436.jpg

Can he go up against Megatron or what?

SW H-TOWN
03-14-2013, 11:10 PM
I think after Vaccaro and Elam that this is a hard group to breakdown. Most of these guys could go either way IMO. McDonald and Reid were inconsistent last year, Shamarko Thomas can tackle but his passes defended and interception numbers are just horrible. I have a little concern about if Swearinger can cover well enough to play in our system. Rambo likes the drugs. Jefferson is good but his own coaches have called him out so that is a red flag and so on... If I were to go with a S it would probably be Elam, Thomas from Fresno State, or Duke Williams. We would probably have to trade up to get Vaccaro and that is not going to happen. I think that it is more probable that we trade back into the early second round if anything. Also like Earl Wolff but I think he will need some time to develop his coverage skills.

TexansCountry
03-15-2013, 04:18 PM
I think after Vaccaro and Elam that this is a hard group to breakdown. Most of these guys could go either way IMO. McDonald and Reid were inconsistent last year, Shamarko Thomas can tackle but his passes defended and interception numbers are just horrible. I have a little concern about if Swearinger can cover well enough to play in our system. Rambo likes the drugs. Jefferson is good but his own coaches have called him out so that is a red flag and so on... If I were to go with a S it would probably be Elam, Thomas from Fresno State, or Duke Williams. We would probably have to trade up to get Vaccaro and that is not going to happen. I think that it is more probable that we trade back into the early second round if anything. Also like Earl Wolff but I think he will need some time to develop his coverage skills.

i still want keenan allen in the first than safety in the second round

76Texan
03-15-2013, 04:26 PM
There's quite a bit of depth on this class; some with good potential.
I'd like to get one of them even is we sign Ed Reed.

SW H-TOWN
03-15-2013, 05:51 PM
There's quite a bit of depth on this class; some with good potential.
I'd like to get one of them even is we sign Ed Reed.

Yep, just hard to evaluate IMO. Will probably draft a guy and let him develop for a couple of years and then start. Hope he can replace Keo right away though.

Insideop
03-15-2013, 11:55 PM
With the loss of GQ this will probably be a higher priority, even if they sign Ed Reed. Reed will only be a stop gap for a couple of years while they develop someone from the Draft IMO. Where they pick and who they pick I don't know, but my guess is it will be in the 3rd to 5th rounds. Having a deep Safety class will help.

steelbtexan
03-16-2013, 10:32 AM
Priority goes up with the loss of GQ. They will probaby sign Reed with AJ offering to restructure again. Even if they dont sign Reed they will probably draft 1-2 S.

My late rd guy 5-7 is Cooper Taylor- Richmond, Runs in 4.5's was 2nd team all ACC at Ga Tech before transfering to Richmond.

Duke Williams - Nevada is my 3-5 rd guy. He's fast, a good cover guy who plays down hill and will come up and stick a RB in the run game.

Honoring Earl 34
03-16-2013, 10:35 AM
Priority goes up with the loss of GQ. They will probaby sign Reed with AJ offering to restructure again. Even if they dont sign Reed they will probably draft 1-2 S.

My late rd guy 5-7 is Cooper Taylor- Richmond, Runs in 4.5's was 2nd team all ACC at Ga Tech before transfering to Richmond.

Duke Williams - Nevada is my 3-5 rd guy. He's fast, a good cover guy who plays down hill and will come up and stick a RB in the run game.

They have to raise the bridge or lower the water . Beef up the pass rush and the safety problem isn't so critical .

76Texan
03-16-2013, 12:38 PM
I was up all night watching Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse and I must say I'm most impressed with him.

Look him up on YouTube. There are game tapes of him with views similar to the 2 All-22 views of the NFL (you can see one view from higher up and one view from the end zone).

I think he runs the forty in 4.4 or 4.42
That guy is a heat seeking missile.

He's a perfect replacement for Quin since he plays everywhere just the same.
Looks good running with the bigger TE and slot receiver.

There are also videos about him personally.
His parents passed away early so he has to be the mentor for his 5 younger siblings and he also started a group to help others in need.
Looks like a guy with his head firmly on his shoulder who is willing to work hard and to lead with action.

2nd to 3rd round grade.

40/1-2 vertical
11'01 broad jump
His 20SS and 3-cone times are also good.

beerlover
03-19-2013, 11:16 AM
This is a good class to address safety via the draft, however if they throw money @ Reed that changes need to select one early. Regardless if Thomas is there in 3rd I would take him too :runaway:

ralph
03-20-2013, 09:26 PM
I was up all night watching Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse and I must say I'm most impressed with him.


Huge fan.

So much S depth in this draft I'd be ecstatic with Elam in the first Thomas in the 2nd or Swearinger in the 3rd.

Rey
03-20-2013, 10:32 PM
Swearinger.

Dude is a balled flat out. Would love to have him here learning under reed and manning.

badboy
03-20-2013, 11:41 PM
What about going with Reed and Pleasant and drafting a safety in 2nd 2014? QB in first.

steelbtexan
03-21-2013, 12:15 AM
What about going with Reed and Pleasant and drafting a safety in 2nd 2014? QB in first.

Because this is a great yr for S. Taylor and Duke Williams will go in the 4th rd. Any other yr they would be 2nd rd picks.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-21-2013, 12:41 AM
This year would be a great year to draft S. Like Rey mentioned, a promising rook can learn so much from Reed and Manning.

aussie_texan
03-21-2013, 03:42 AM
Swearinger.

Dude is a balled flat out. Would love to have him here learning under reed and manning.

yeah swearinger is my favourite Safety in this draft. i think he could really develop into a top player

greekdbag
03-23-2013, 12:20 AM
yeah swearinger is my favourite Safety in this draft. i think he could really develop into a top player

I've heard he might go at the end of the first round, though? And I doubt he gets to our second pick.

SteveSlaton20
03-24-2013, 06:49 PM
I know KV is likely to go around 10-20ish, but I think he'd be a perfect fit in this defense, even though I'm not a fan of him.

He can play deep, play man-to-man in the slot, can play zone, stuff the run, and he can blitz. Not sure how well he can play against the TEs, but he'd be a solid player in this defense. My problems with him is that he lacks leadership, likes to run his mouth, and sometimes had off the field issues[punched someone playing basketball, and from what I've heard, liked to partied too much on 6th street].

Corrosion
03-25-2013, 07:09 AM
Add another guy to the list: Dexter McCoil, Tulsa.
About 6'4 plus, 220 plus.
I'll be looking for him to run in the mid 4'5 at his pro day.
I'll post a picture of him later when I have a chance.
Long arm, good built.
17 or 18 career INTs.

There are some obvious draw backs with a guy that tall as his steps can be too long (easier to run past a play) or tackling too high (here his long arms help.)

I've watched 4 of his games, not bad at all; a sleeper here - dunno for how long.

Watch the game against BYU in 2011 (BYU is a good passing team), he had 3 INTs (one was called back due to an offside).
There are 3 other games on youtube:
Arkansas, a pretty good passing team;
UCF, in the CUSA championship;
Iowa St, in the Liberty Bowl.

He can be a little over-aggressive at times, but that's what a ball-hawk does sometimes.

He can play at different positions: 2 deep, one deep (showing good range here), in the box; covering a slot or a TE (I'm a little concern with him being able to flip his hips, but he doesn't look all that stiff). Wish I can see him at a work-out to check out these concerns; but overall, he looks like another dark horse to me.

This is the type of safety I'd like to see the Texans pick up as their #3 .... a big guy who can play in the box and has the size / speed to match up with this new breed of TE.
I mentioned this a few times before , but more of a hybrid of a S and LBer. Size , speed and a nasty disposition .....

When the ILB opposite Cushing is removed , this is the guy I plug in ..... I wouldnt have minded Pollard being brought back in this role.


I have no idea where to rank him among safety's or even what round he may be picked in .... Most sites Ive seen show him as an UDFA but I see so much potential its hard to see him go undrafted.

76Texan
03-25-2013, 09:52 AM
This is the type of safety I'd like to see the Texans pick up as their #3 .... a big guy who can play in the box and has the size / speed to match up with this new breed of TE.
I mentioned this a few times before , but more of a hybrid of a S and LBer. Size , speed and a nasty disposition .....

When the ILB opposite Cushing is removed , this is the guy I plug in ..... I wouldnt have minded Pollard being brought back in this role.


I have no idea where to rank him among safety's or even what round he may be picked in .... Most sites Ive seen show him as an UDFA but I see so much potential its hard to see him go undrafted.

Yeah, there are a few big guys that are intriguing. Too much potential to be an UDFA. It's not like he's a one trick pony.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 12:49 AM
I was watching Amerson before, but is now switching to the SS Earl Wolff sincee I hear the Dop talking him up.

Dopler, did you watch the game against UNC?
First game I picked out and Wolff looks very shaky.
At least 3 very bad moments in coverage and missing tackles twice.
I hope it's his only bad game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcRwa6A7c7I

leebigeztx
03-26-2013, 01:30 AM
I really like rambo in the 3rd. He's a true fs with range and is a playmaker. One way or another, the texans need 2 safeties. manning and reed are 1-2 yr guys right now. So it would be wise to get that guy on the roster now imo.

beerlover
03-26-2013, 01:58 AM
I really like rambo in the 3rd. He's a true fs with range and is a playmaker. One way or another, the texans need 2 safeties. manning and reed are 1-2 yr guys right now. So it would be wise to get that guy on the roster now imo.

I agree but there are plenty of other safeties as well. Best class I can remember in fact, since covering the Texans. Jonathan Cyprien is my fav he went out the window when they signed Reed. Next is Matt Elam he too went bye bye. Then was thinking Phillip Thomas in 2nd but too many other pressing needs. Shamarko Thomas is a beast, like him better than Rambo but close. Robert Lester & Eric Reid are a couple big FS who fit right in with Manning & Reed. Then you start dropping to 4th-5th territory with Duke Williams, Shawn Williams & Eric Wolfe all better than what we have behind Reed/Manning. So I think the sweet spot is anywhere from compensatory 3rd to 5th rounds.

Corrosion
03-26-2013, 10:16 AM
I really like rambo in the 3rd. He's a true fs with range and is a playmaker. One way or another, the texans need 2 safeties. manning and reed are 1-2 yr guys right now. So it would be wise to get that guy on the roster now imo.

While I agree they need to find a couple safety's for the future , I have to wonder if they can afford the luxury of taking two in this draft with so many other holes to fill and so little money to spend. Especially if they are seriously planning on a deep playoff run.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 11:36 AM
Right now the guys on my preference list are Cyprien, Taylor, and the big kid from Tulsa.

Just rewatched a couple more NC St game, and saw some more poor coverage, bad angles, and mis-tackles.

Playoffs
03-26-2013, 10:42 PM
Texans scout chatting up Kenny Vaccaro at UT pro day...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGTECQeCYAAAPl4.jpg

76Texan
03-26-2013, 10:51 PM
Let the Cowboys take him, just like in the TT Mock Draft.:swatter:

HOU-TEX
03-27-2013, 04:08 PM
Cyprien's going to be busy

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3m
S Jonathan Cyprien will visit 11 teams: Falcons, Panthers, Redskins, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jags, Cards, Titans, Browns, Niners, Texans.

drs23
03-27-2013, 08:02 PM
Cyprien's going to be busy

DAYUM! He IS gonna be busy. Stock rising ya think?

WolverineFan
03-27-2013, 09:33 PM
I agree but there are plenty of other safeties as well. Best class I can remember in fact, since covering the Texans. Jonathan Cyprien is my fav he went out the window when they signed Reed. Next is Matt Elam he too went bye bye. Then was thinking Phillip Thomas in 2nd but too many other pressing needs. Shamarko Thomas is a beast, like him better than Rambo but close. Robert Lester & Eric Reid are a couple big FS who fit right in with Manning & Reed. Then you start dropping to 4th-5th territory with Duke Williams, Shawn Williams & Eric Wolfe all better than what we have behind Reed/Manning. So I think the sweet spot is anywhere from compensatory 3rd to 5th rounds.

J.J. Wilcox is a mid-round guy that I like.

steelbtexan
03-27-2013, 09:48 PM
J.J. Wilcox is a mid-round guy that I like.

I wonder if Wilcox or Taylor will be there in the 4/5th rd?

Playoffs
04-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein 29m
Eric Reid's stock is on the rise and could go round 1

Rey
04-10-2013, 04:41 PM
If we draft Vaccaro in the first round I'll be sick...