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GP
12-30-2012, 04:15 PM
I like how it's wrong for the defense to have given up when all they have ever done is cover for Gary's inabilities for the past two years.

When Wade was hired, I said two things: (1) The only thing that can go wrong is if Wade' defense is so dominant that it permits Kubiak to rely on it too much, and (2) If that happens, it will cause a meltdown across the whole team.

You guys can challenge me if you want. I said that in the threads back in early 2011 when the defense was shaping up and looking dominant.

This is now a team divided. One group, and I believe rightfully so, feels it's being screwed over by an inferiorly coached offense. Despite that, the defense continued to try.

But when your HC decides to try a 53-yd. FG rather than punt and pin the Colts deep...you have to go "OK, WTH? Seriously? LOL. OMG. OK, ok, ok....fine."

The only worse thing that could happen is for Wade to become HC. He's softer as a HC than Gary is.

Nawzer
12-30-2012, 04:16 PM
Defense was playing really well up until that long ridiculous TD. But then just laid down and I think they realized there's no way that this offense was going to lead a comeback 2 scores down. This offense is just not built that way to play from behind a lot. Bottom line is and this is something I've said many times before that unless Kubiak is fired this is what this is all that the Texans are capable of doing. I appreciate for turning us around after the Capers era and making us a good team, but he's not the guy to lead us to the Super Bowl.

eriadoc
12-30-2012, 04:16 PM
Exactly. It's not all on Kubiak.

3rd and 23 and you give that up? Really? A TD? How does that happen? That's on players and coaches and the defense played undisciplined today jumping offsides as much as they could.

Well to be fair, they probably never practice against anything but a draw play or short pass in that situation. :D

Goodwrench3
12-30-2012, 04:17 PM
God,our O-Line is terrible.

Wolf
12-30-2012, 04:17 PM
Seems we need to use the pass to set up Foster. When we get into more of an attack mode with he passing game, then it opens up he running game

bckey
12-30-2012, 04:18 PM
The Texans are officially the worst 12-4 team in history. What an embarrassment.

bckey
12-30-2012, 04:19 PM
How about that game Matrix? Didn't matter right?

eriadoc
12-30-2012, 04:20 PM
Ahh, blessed, wonderful Knob Creek. Take this game away.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:21 PM
The Cardinals backed into the playoffs at 9-7 and were thought to be at the time the worst playoff team ever. They were a play short of a Super Bowl.

They did have a great QB though....

Premier
12-30-2012, 04:21 PM
And you keep thinking that this teams issues are limited to the qb...

whatever dude, keep avoiding the real issue.. every team has liabilities somewhere. weve seen good/great quarterbacks make average teams better. the texans arent going anywhere until schaub is gone and the texans have a game changing qb.. schaub is mediocrity, therefore the texans will be stiuck in mediocrity.. im tired of "he knows the system" being the only redeeming quality about schaub..

Dread-Head
12-30-2012, 04:22 PM
Wish CBS would shut the F V C K up about it....

fiasco west
12-30-2012, 04:23 PM
The Texans are officially the worst 12-4 team in history. What an embarrassment.

Who cares?

The Patriots were the worst 16-0 playoff team in history too.

JB
12-30-2012, 04:24 PM
I have never been discouraged by this team before now. Any one think they have a shot at beating the Bengals next week?

Premier
12-30-2012, 04:25 PM
Well to be fair, they probably never practice against anything but a draw play or short pass in that situation. :D

also they never get to see a good qb step up strong and throw a bullet down field..

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:25 PM
I have never been discouraged by this team before now. Any one think they have a shot at beating the Bengals next week?

They barely beat Baltimore today who was playing their backups. Yeah we have a chance.

Hervoyel
12-30-2012, 04:26 PM
Just nothing but disgust and loathing in my heart for this heartless bunch of bums. Sorry is the only word I can think of that accurately describes them and their lousy head coach. Anyone who thinks Gary Kubiak is a good HC at this point or thinks that his players always having his back means anything is deluded. Sure they love him, he's their buddy. Clearly though none of them feel the need to hold themselves accountable to him or each other. I've been watching this pretend HC build his team for 7 seasons and from nearly the very start I knew deep down that all this construction was taking place on a bad foundation. Bad play calling, bad clock management, an inability to get the team up for important games, an irrational loyalty to underperforming players and coaches, and his constant refusal to go out and hire a DC that knew what he was doing told me that this guy wasnt HC material and nothing has changed. Proud of 12-4? Understand that it would be just another 8-8 or 9-7 if McNair hadn't forced Wade on Kubiak last year. They're as messed up as they ever were and won't get any better without a coaching change (Which naturally will lead to a QB change). We spend 6 years rebuilding from 2-14, the Colts do it in 1. Do the math and draw your own conclusions about the quality of our coaching staff and players.

arb729
12-30-2012, 04:27 PM
If someone can help me understand the cap rules correctly, cutting Matt would be a 14 million cap hit for next year? 17.5M bonus, minus this year's 3.5? Or does this contract kick in next year? Just trying to gauge the difficult in making a QB change.

Edit: should add that I'm not quite ready to really kick and scream for that kind of move, just curious more than anything.

qqert
12-30-2012, 04:27 PM
only one explanation why a team with this much suck can have a 12-win season.

this game is rigged! (http://spaces.covers.com/blog/MaximumWins/NFL/03042012-Reasons-Why-The-NFL-Is-Fixed-For-Profit.html)

http://forum.i3d.net/attachments/offtopic-english/943147141d1221752968-lolcat-conversation-thread-441249.jpg

Mr teX
12-30-2012, 04:28 PM
whatever dude, keep avoiding the real issue.. every team has liabilities somewhere. weve seen good/great quarterbacks make average teams better. the texans arent going anywhere until schaub is gone and the texans have a game changing qb.. schaub is mediocrity, therefore the texans will be stiuck in mediocrity..

But they're not mediocore, they're 12-4...:kitten:

& when we get that talent capable of becoming great but we can't protect him what will u say then? I dont deny that schaub is an issue back there at times, but to ignore this teams o-line & playcalling issues is just flat out irresponsible analysis...


Yes every team has holes, but no team that has serious superbowl aspirations has o-line issues this bad...besides we've got more than an issue....we have ISSUES all over this team

Uncle Rico
12-30-2012, 04:36 PM
Kubiak needs more competent counsel on the sidelines as well. He is overwhelmed at times. Norv Turner if not picked up as a HC somewhere would be a nice fit. Add more wrinkles to a stale offensive gameplan.

No matter what the majority feel should happen with the firings of the coach and QB, it wll not happen. this city is stuck with this team as assembled for the foreseeable future.

fiasco west
12-30-2012, 04:41 PM
But they're not mediocore, they're 12-4...:kitten:

& when we get that talent capable of becoming great but we can't protect him what will u say then? I dont deny that schaub is an issue back there at times, but to ignore this teams o-line & playcalling issues is just flat out irresponsible analysis...


Yes every team has holes, but no team that has serious superbowl aspirations has o-line issues this bad...besides we've got more than an issue....we have ISSUES all over this team

I'm telling you guys they mishandled the cap.

They had to. No way the Eagles can fit all of those big names on their team and EVEN the Jets were ready to pick up Aso and try to maneuver around the cap to do so....

Yet the Texans are the team cutting pro-bowl players like Winston and his false starts and Demeco. Say what you will about those guys but they were leaders. Winston was a great run blocker and it showed and 'Meco showed up big time in the playoffs last year and in big games.

Now we will be looking to replace guys we already had.

GP
12-30-2012, 04:42 PM
I have never been discouraged by this team before now. Any one think they have a shot at beating the Bengals next week?

Well, at least you were around the past few years to berate anybody and bad mouth them for trying to show you what you just now found out (on your own) today.

I mean, hey...that makes it ALL GOOD, JB.

We're going the beat the Bengals, but then we have to play N.E. on the road and then play Denver in Denver IF we were to somehow lock the Patriots into a deep freezer on the day we play them.

You get one more game to feel like your old self again, JB. Then you'll be treated to a colossal ass-kicking at the hands of Brady & Co. to jog your memory of this conversation.

By the way; Happy New Year.

bckey
12-30-2012, 04:43 PM
Who cares?

The Patriots were the worst 16-0 playoff team in history too.

At least they went to the superbowl and played ball all the way to the end.

GP
12-30-2012, 04:44 PM
I'm telling you guys they mishandled the cap.

They had to. No way the Eagles can fit all of those big names on their team and EVEN the Jets were ready to pick up Aso and try to maneuver around the cap to do so....

Yet the Texans are the team cutting pro-bowl players like Winston and his false starts and Demeco. Say what you will about those guys but they were leaders. Winston was a great run blocker and it showed and 'Meco showed up big time in the playoffs last year and in big games.

Now we will be looking to replace guys we already had.

We're screwed because we gave Schaub a new deal after GAME ONE of this season.

That was a huge, huge, HUGE mistake. They should have made him play out the whole year. THAT was the tightening of the noose. Before that, we had a shot at slipping out of the noose. NOW? No way.

We have officially saddled ourselves with Schaub and Kubiak for at least the next two seasons...maybe even a 3rd year too. If not 4!

bckey
12-30-2012, 04:45 PM
just nothing but disgust and loathing in my heart for this heartless bunch of bums. Sorry is the only word i can think of that accurately describes them and their lousy head coach. Anyone who thinks gary kubiak is a good hc at this point or thinks that his players always having his back means anything is deluded. Sure they love him, he's their buddy. Clearly though none of them feel the need to hold themselves accountable to him or each other. I've been watching this pretend hc build his team for 7 seasons and from nearly the very start i knew deep down that all this construction was taking place on a bad foundation. Bad play calling, bad clock management, an inability to get the team up for important games, an irrational loyalty to underperforming players and coaches, and his constant refusal to go out and hire a dc that knew what he was doing told me that this guy wasnt hc material and nothing has changed. Proud of 12-4? Understand that it would be just another 8-8 or 9-7 if mcnair hadn't forced wade on kubiak last year. They're as messed up as they ever were and won't get any better without a coaching change (which naturally will lead to a qb change). We spend 6 years rebuilding from 2-14, the colts do it in 1. Do the math and draw your own conclusions about the quality of our coaching staff and players.

rft never mind.. just got the must spread blah blah blah

ziggy29
12-30-2012, 04:47 PM
We're screwed because we gave Schaub a new deal after GAME ONE of this season.


The Jets and Mark Sanchez say "hi".

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2012, 04:58 PM
Just nothing but disgust and loathing in my heart for this heartless bunch of bums. Sorry is the only word I can think of that accurately describes them and their lousy head coach. Anyone who thinks Gary Kubiak is a good HC at this point or thinks that his players always having his back means anything is deluded. Sure they love him, he's their buddy. Clearly though none of them feel the need to hold themselves accountable to him or each other. I've been watching this pretend HC build his team for 7 seasons and from nearly the very start I knew deep down that all this construction was taking place on a bad foundation. Bad play calling, bad clock management, an inability to get the team up for important games, an irrational loyalty to underperforming players and coaches, and his constant refusal to go out and hire a DC that knew what he was doing told me that this guy wasnt HC material and nothing has changed. Proud of 12-4? Understand that it would be just another 8-8 or 9-7 if McNair hadn't forced Wade on Kubiak last year. They're as messed up as they ever were and won't get any better without a coaching change (Which naturally will lead to a QB change). We spend 6 years rebuilding from 2-14, the Colts do it in 1. Do the math and draw your own conclusions about the quality of our coaching staff and players.

And it's not even the quality of all of our players. If we seriously had a better coach (Cowher) and a better QB (Manning, Wilson, whoever), the Texans would be in much better shape. The defense has players. The offense has players. The team just doesn't have a competent QB or HC. That's what is holding them back. Some right side OL help wouldn't hurt either, but the biggest issues are the two "leaders" of the team.

No amount of questioning each other's manhood will help this team now. That crowd at Reliant is going to boo and boo if they play like they have the past five weeks again next week.

Mr teX
12-30-2012, 05:03 PM
And it's not even the quality of all of our players. If we seriously had a better coach (Cowher) and a better QB (Manning, Wilson, whoever), the Texans would be in much better shape. The defense has players. The offense has players. The team just doesn't have a competent QB or HC. That's what is holding them back. Some right side OL help wouldn't hurt either, but the biggest issues are the two "leaders" of the team.

No amount of questioning each other's manhood will help this team now. That crowd at Reliant is going to boo and boo if they play like they have the past five weeks again next week.

2 of the sacks on Schaub happened before he even got to to the top of his 5 step drop....let me say it again a different way....Schaub can't even finish dropping back before someone has their hands on him....and you say that all we need is " some" o-line help? That right side is atrocious in every aspect of our offense.

MojoX
12-30-2012, 05:13 PM
We spend 6 years rebuilding from 2-14, the Colts do it in 1. Do the math and draw your own conclusions about the quality of our coaching staff and players.

This is about sucking in just the right draft. Colts tanked the year Luck and RGIII were in the draft. Texans sucked the most when there was no Cam Newton, Luck, or RGIII. Didn't require genius to rebuild with last years #1 pick.

MojoX
12-30-2012, 05:14 PM
And it's not even the quality of all of our players. If we seriously had a better coach (Cowher) and a better QB (Manning, Wilson, whoever), the Texans would be in much better shape. The defense has players. The offense has players. The team just doesn't have a competent QB or HC. That's what is holding them back. Some right side OL help wouldn't hurt either, but the biggest issues are the two "leaders" of the team.

No amount of questioning each other's manhood will help this team now. That crowd at Reliant is going to boo and boo if they play like they have the past five weeks again next week.

I think if either the HC or QB were better the team would be in better shape. Doesn't have to be both.

False Start
12-30-2012, 05:24 PM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/bong.gif

It helps with my Oilers flashbacks.

michaelm
12-30-2012, 05:26 PM
http://cdn.lolcaption.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/funny-pictures-cat-will-have-rude-awakening.jpg

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean...

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qqert
12-30-2012, 05:42 PM
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean...

?

means anyone holding out hope for texans in playoffs and thinking kubiak/schaub will get job done is in for .. a rude awakening.

Thorn
12-30-2012, 05:47 PM
This team might, MIGHT, win their wild card game with the Bengals, but this team is not getting past Denver or New England on the road.

I'm already expecting the worse. And another off season of wondering why. Oh well. I'm happy some of the individual players will get recognition. We can watch them in the Pro Bowl this year since they'll be avaliable.

chicagotexan2
12-30-2012, 06:03 PM
Matt schaub leading this team in the playoffs will go down faster than a chubby intern in the White House. There is no fight in this offense and the D is playing average at best. I think we'll win the first playoff game then it'll be lights out.

midway
12-30-2012, 06:12 PM
Matt schaub leading this team in the playoffs will go down faster than a chubby intern in the White House. There is no fight in this offense and the D is playing average at best. I think we'll win the first playoff game then it'll be lights out.

You've got more confidence than most, more than I have, certainly. We're not beating the Bengals.

TheMatrix31
12-30-2012, 06:14 PM
Gonna be disgusting if we beat Cincinnati and if/when we lose to New England. As if Boston sports fans werent insufferable enough.

ziggy29
12-30-2012, 06:17 PM
Gonna be disgusting if we beat Cincinnati and if/when we lose to New England. As if Boston sports fans werent insufferable enough.

I used to have some pity on the long-suffering Boston fan before the turn of the millennium.

Then they suddenly started winning championships -- in all major team sports -- and now, I even want New York teams to beat them.

Fred
12-30-2012, 06:19 PM
This is about sucking in just the right draft. Colts tanked the year Luck and RGIII were in the draft. Texans sucked the most when there was no Cam Newton, Luck, or RGIII. Didn't require genius to rebuild with last years #1 pick.

Colts had first pick in years for Elway, P Manning, and now Luck. This is a franchise that knows when to tank! Spurs are jealous!

chicagotexan2
12-30-2012, 06:20 PM
This team picked a bad time to suck.

TheMatrix31
12-30-2012, 06:25 PM
I used to have some pity on the long-suffering Boston fan before the turn of the millennium.

Then they suddenly started winning championships -- in all major team sports -- and now, I even want New York teams to beat them.

I hated Boston sports even before they were successful. Having a brother who's a Yankees fan and another who's a Dolphins fan help in that regard.

Hervoyel
12-30-2012, 06:54 PM
Woke up oddly optimistic this morning after a week of deep rooted pessimism.

Going to be watching the game at home with my stepson who is in with the family for the holidays...... from Indianapolis. My wife and his are going to take the grand kids to the mall and out running errands while we watch the game.

I think the Texans are going to take care of us all today.

Woke up with this post and then got my weekly dose of Texans football.

Should have known better.

TheMatrix31
12-30-2012, 09:45 PM
Why's this thread on page 77 when it shows 79 pages?

Thorn
12-30-2012, 09:55 PM
Why's this thread on page 77 when it shows 79 pages?

Kubiak is the site manager. :kitten:

TheIronDuke
12-30-2012, 10:01 PM
Why's this thread on page 77 when it shows 79 pages?

Looks like a certain poster was banned (hopefully for good) which messes up the way the threads are laid out.

amazing80
12-30-2012, 10:44 PM
Kubiak is the site manager. :kitten:

lol good one, will rep again later

Premier
12-31-2012, 01:38 AM
2 of the sacks on Schaub happened before he even got to to the top of his 5 step drop....let me say it again a different way....Schaub can't even finish dropping back before someone has their hands on him....and you say that all we need is " some" o-line help? That right side is atrocious in every aspect of our offense.

well one of those sacks where schaub couldnt finish his drop came from the left side.. tbh, the o-line will be fine, ben jones has hit a wall, he will improve, he has the biggest upside of the rookie linemen.. they might have to address LG and RT eventually. we still have brooks laying in the weeds who might be able to play next to duane once wade expires... we dont need 5 all-pros on the o-line.. let them continue to fill holes on the line with mid-rounders.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 04:39 AM
well one of those sacks where schaub couldnt finish his drop came from the left side.. tbh, the o-line will be fine, ben jones has hit a wall, he will improve, he has the biggest upside of the rookie linemen.. they might have to address LG and RT eventually. we still have brooks laying in the weeds who might be able to play next to duane once wade expires... we dont need 5 all-pros on the o-line.. let them continue to fill holes on the line with mid-rounders.

Actually, it was Brooks who gave up the sack up the middle. Looked like he was expecting some help on his left. Myers was helping Wade. I wouldn't say that Wade needed help, or that Myers screwed the pooch, but since Myers usually makes those calls, I'm blaming the rookie. It's not that he got over powered or "beat" he wasn't even looking at the guy. He expected someone else to be there & no one was.

Arian came running straight up the middle, like a check down, but he didn't even get in the dude's way.

Brown got beat by Freeney on the left side. Again, I don't think it was a talent issue, but he was expecting Freeney to do one thing & he did another.

I don't remember the other sack.

Premier
12-31-2012, 05:28 AM
Actually, it was Brooks who gave up the sack up the middle. Looked like he was expecting some help on his left. Myers was helping Wade. I wouldn't say that Wade needed help, or that Myers screwed the pooch, but since Myers usually makes those calls, I'm blaming the rookie. It's not that he got over powered or "beat" he wasn't even looking at the guy. He expected someone else to be there & no one was.

Arian came running straight up the middle, like a check down, but he didn't even get in the dude's way.

Brown got beat by Freeney on the left side. Again, I don't think it was a talent issue, but he was expecting Freeney to do one thing & he did another.

I don't remember the other sack.

are you talking about the geathers sack..? brooks wasnt even on the field.. geathers shot the gap between smith and myers... both brown and smith shifted to the left of who they were lined up on, leaving brown not really blocking anybody and a free gap between smith and myers. geathers was untouched and arian ran right by him. whose at fault here? should schaub have known that brown and smith would block this way and recognize that geathers would be free to shoot the gap. should he have changed the protection to get arian to pick up that gap..?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/0ap2000000120038/Colts-defense-sack-9-yd-loss

Textan
12-31-2012, 09:52 AM
Wish I wouldn't have DVR'd that one. Sheesh.

Mr teX
12-31-2012, 10:02 AM
are you talking about the geathers sack..? brooks wasnt even on the field.. geathers shot the gap between smith and myers... both brown and smith shifted to the left of who they were lined up on, leaving brown not really blocking anybody and a free gap between smith and myers. geathers was untouched and arian ran right by him. whose at fault here? should schaub have known that brown and smith would block this way and recognize that geathers would be free to shoot the gap. should he have changed the protection to get arian to pick up that gap..?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/0ap2000000120038/Colts-defense-sack-9-yd-loss

shooting the A gap like that has been something teams have routinely been doing to us since the Green Bay game effectively & this coaching staff still has not corrected it...so that should tell you who its on right there...the coaches.

It looks like Arian on that play was going out for his trademark dump off position right there in front of the line in the middle of the field b/c if you look at it again, Arian sort of moves out of his way a little so he can get by the guy unimpeded...don't even think he was looking to block him....they're just completely overmatched up front. Where in the hell are you stepping up through that when the D-lineman's got a free run at you like that?

Again, i'm not totally removing Schaub's ineptness from the equation, i'm simply stating that any qb would have issues making plays under situations like that & they've been more prevalent as of late than you guys are letting on.

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 10:26 AM
shooting the A gap like that has been something teams have routinely been doing to us since the Green Bay game effectively & this coaching staff still has not corrected it...so that should tell you who its on right there...the coaches.


When I think of shooting the gap, I think of a LB attacking that gap. That's what GB & the Patriots did to us.

The play we're talking about (& you & I are on the same play, I'm sure of it) You're talking about a DE that's just doing his job. Nothing special. It's not a "scheme" for us to adjust to. This is a blocking call that was blown.

I think it is clear that Brooks was expecting help to his left. It just wasn't there.

It looks like Arian on that play was going out for his trademark dump off position right there in front of the line in the middle of the field b/c if you look at it again, Arian sort of moves out of his way a little so he can get by the guy unimpeded...don't even think he was looking to block him....they're just completely overmatched up front. Where in the hell are you stepping up through that when the D-lineman's got a free run at you like that?


This is why I'm sure we're on the same play. I saw Arian "avoid" the DE as well. I wouldn't think the assignments would have been that Arian was supposed to pick up that guy. But when he "dodged" him, Arian was giving him a free pass. I would have thought Arian would have thought, "Ok, that guy isn't supposed to be there. I'm not going to be able to stop him... but I'm the last line of defense."

Mr teX
12-31-2012, 10:45 AM
When I think of shooting the gap, I think of a LB attacking that gap. That's what GB & the Patriots did to us.

The play we're talking about (& you & I are on the same play, I'm sure of it) You're talking about a DE that's just doing his job. Nothing special. It's not a "scheme" for us to adjust to. This is a blocking call that was blown.

I think it is clear that Brooks was expecting help to his left. It just wasn't there.


This is why I'm sure we're on the same play. I saw Arian "avoid" the DE as well. I wouldn't think the assignments would have been that Arian was supposed to pick up that guy. But when he "dodged" him, Arian was giving him a free pass. I would have thought Arian would have thought, "Ok, that guy isn't supposed to be there. I'm not going to be able to stop him... but I'm the last line of defense."

But see this is why it's more on the coaches than it is on schaub. If you've been seeing this over and over for the last 5-6 weeks at minimum, why not adjust? At the very least, they should telling Arian to chip the guy on his way out. Don't let him just have a free run at your qb.

I just get the feeling that Kubiak is being stubborn and is using the mentality he has about the running game..."we don't care how many you have in the box, we should be able to run & pick up 2-3 yards if we need it.." Well Mr. Kubiak that hasn't even been working as of late..................So adjust your damn playcalling and schemes!!!!!!!!!

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 12:23 PM
But see this is why it's more on the coaches than it is on schaub. If you've been seeing this over and over for the last 5-6 weeks at minimum, why not adjust? At the very least, they should telling Arian to chip the guy on his way out. Don't let him just have a free run at your qb.



Whoa... I haven't seen Arian do this for the last 5-6 weeks.