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76Texan
12-25-2012, 09:47 PM
My initial thought on Ryan Nassib is that he's quite inconsistent for a 5th year Senior.

It's difficult to see an inconsistent "experienced" guy to be a "franchise" NFL QB, at least not one that can carry a team here and there.

There's potential in the guy though.
Right now I don't like his footwork.
It causes him not to be in a good position to deliver an accurate pass on several occasions.
If he can work and improve on it, his chance of becoming a starter in the NFL can be helped a lot.

Nassib isn't close in term of athletic ability as RG III, Luck, or Wilson.

That goes to the next point: He would need to be a smart and instinctive QB to be able to extend plays.
Unfortunately, he doesn't show enough of that as to make me think he can overcome his lacking in athleticism to be successful at the next level.

If you look for a guy who has some kind of "it", I don't think Nassib is your target.

I've reviewed 7 of his games; it's not enough to be in depth, but I do believe it's fair to say that he doesn't have enough "star" quality, if at all.

As usual, I want to note that when I watch QB play, I consider his O-line, his weapons, his opponents.

When a guy throw an INT, is it really his fault?
Does he have an open receiver that he missed?
When he's sacked, is it his fault, or is it a problem with protection.

Obviously, I'm just one guy watching other guys play, so Take it FWIW.

steelbtexan
12-26-2012, 12:04 AM
Wilso and Bray, the Tylers would look good in Steel Blue.

Give us your thoughts on Barkley and Landry Jones?

rmartin65
12-26-2012, 07:09 AM
I am a fan of Nassib. I dont think he will be a Luck or RG3 level starter, but I do think he would be an upgrade over Schaub (maybe not immediately,but in a year or two... which does not exactly help the Texans win now). Honestly though, there are not any QBs on the level of Luck and RG3 this year. Every player has warts. There are some starters, sure, but no true franchise QBs.

I think Landry Jones has some potential. He has great size and a good arm, and has better mobility than given credit for (certainly better than Schaub). He is a long time starter as well. But I dont think he is an IT can. He reminds me of Schaub at times, in that he looks good when you look at box scores, but when you watch the game he underwhelms you. All the tools are there, but his actual play is lacking.

I wont really go into other players, unless asked. I dont think there are any QBs that would help us win in the short term.

Rey
12-26-2012, 09:23 AM
I watched some clips on a few guys and I like Dysert the best from what I've seen. Dude has good mobility, stays a live in the pocket, but keeps his eyes down field to make plays. He also has the best arm out of the guys I watched...

Not a fan of Nassib, Landry Jones, Bray, Murray or Glennon...

Not watching Barkley or Geno Smith as they likely won't be on board at any point for us..

But if I had to take a rookie QB this year at this point it'd be Dysert in the 2nd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMa5Nv2zoI

I think that's a good video that highlights his strengths and weaknesses...

Mr teX
12-26-2012, 09:26 AM
i like wilson...bray had too many boneheaded plays last year for tenn.

coon
12-26-2012, 12:03 PM
My initial thought on Ryan Nassib is that he's quite inconsistent for a 5th year Senior.

It's difficult to see an inconsistent "experienced" guy to be a "franchise" NFL QB, at least not one that can carry a team here and there.

There's potential in the guy though.
Right now I don't like his footwork.
It causes him not to be in a good position to deliver an accurate pass on several occasions.
If he can work and improve on it, his chance of becoming a starter in the NFL can be helped a lot.

Nassib isn't close in term of athletic ability as RG III, Luck, or Wilson.
Let me preface this by saying ive only seen Nassib play in 4 games. I agree his footwork is not great and it causes a large portion of his bad throws. I think he is a better athlete than you seem to give him credit for but yes he nowhere near RG3 (most aren’t) Luck, or Wilson. Athletically I would compare him to Cutler. Everything I have read about him says he is a hardworking kid who is very smart which makes me believe his footwork, and decision making can improve under Kubiak. I in no way believe he can supplant Schaub soon; just that he is the kind of guy that will be able to cash in on his physical ability. Thanks for responding though, you can’t believe everything you read on the web and I appreciate your input.

That goes to the next point: He would need to be a smart and instinctive QB to be able to extend plays.
Unfortunately, he doesn't show enough of that as to make me think he can overcome his lacking in athleticism to be successful at the next level.

If you look for a guy who has some kind of "it", I don't think Nassib is your target.

I've reviewed 7 of his games; it's not enough to be in depth, but I do believe it's fair to say that he doesn't have enough "star" quality, if at all.

As usual, I want to note that when I watch QB play, I consider his O-line, his weapons, his opponents.

When a guy throw an INT, is it really his fault?
Does he have an open receiver that he missed?
When he's sacked, is it his fault, or is it a problem with protection.

Obviously, I'm just one guy watching other guys play, so Take it FWIW.
Let me preface this by saying ive only seen Nassib play in 4 games. I agree his footwork is not great and it causes a large portion of his bad throws. I think he is a better athlete than you seem to give him credit for, but yes he nowhere near RG3 (most aren’t) Luck, or Wilson. Athletically I would compare him to Cutler. Everything I have read about him says he is a hardworking kid who is very smart which makes me believe his footwork, and decision making can improve under Kubiak. I in no way believe he can supplant Schaub soon; just that he is the kind of guy that will be able to cash in on his physical ability. Thanks for responding though, you can’t believe everything you read on the web and I appreciate your input.

Playoffs
12-26-2012, 12:08 PM
Early consensus is 2013 QB class can't touch 2012, no?

badboy
12-26-2012, 01:13 PM
I think these comments and evaluations are the reason why Smith was eager to re-sign Schaub. Even Geno and Dysart who I mocked early last off season will need a year or so to develop as starters. Fans can complain all they want about Matt, but I see no option as a replacement that can put you where Schaub has so far.

steelbtexan
12-26-2012, 02:06 PM
I watched some clips on a few guys and I like Dysert the best from what I've seen. Dude has good mobility, stays a live in the pocket, but keeps his eyes down field to make plays. He also has the best arm out of the guys I watched...

Not a fan of Nassib, Landry Jones, Bray, Murray or Glennon...

Not watching Barkley or Geno Smith as they likely won't be on board at any point for us..

But if I had to take a rookie QB this year at this point it'd be Dysert in the 2nd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMa5Nv2zoI

I think that's a good video that highlights his strengths and weaknesses...

I really like Dysert strong arm, accurate. Needs to take care of the ball better and learn better footwork. Level he played at bothers me.

I like Bray better, because he also has a strong arm/best in the draft. Yes he makes some boneheaded throws. This comes from his belief the he can stck a ball in the tightest of spaces. He has terrible mechanics, throwing off his back foot and while still completing most of those the lack of mechanics is the cause of most of his ints. This can be fixed by great QB coaching of Gary. Bray reminds me of Matt Stafford with his size arm strength and his undisciplined throwing motion and footwork.

He's kind of a cocky type of guy, but most QB's that become good/great are that way. Brady/Manning/Brees Cutler/Rodgers/Romo etc... With Garys coaching and Brays god given abilty I think Bray could become great. (Worth a 1st rd pick) If Bray didn't have issues he would be the 1st pick in the draft because he has that kind of ability. IMHO

Think of a young Big Ben

Mr teX
12-26-2012, 02:17 PM
I really like Dysert strong arm, accurate. Needs to take care of the ball better and learn better footwork. Level he played at bothers me.

I like Bray better, because he also has a strong arm/best in the draft. Yes he makes some boneheaded throws. This comes from his belief the he can stck a ball in the tightest of spaces. He has terrible mechanics, throwing off his back foot and while still completing most of those the lack of mechanics is the cause of most of his ints. This can be fixed by great QB coaching of Gary. Bray reminds me of Matt Stafford with his size arm strength and his undisciplined throwing motion and footwork.

He's kind of a cocky type of guy, but most QB's that become good/great are that way. Brady/Manning/Brees Cutler/Rodgers/Romo etc... With Garys coaching and Brays god given abilitI think Bray could become great. (Worth a 1st rd pick) If Bray didn't have issues he would be the 1st pick in the draft because he has that kind of ability. IMHO

in my observation, those guys never grow out of that..they've been doing it all their careers and that's a hard thing for them to get over. From Marino, George, Favre and now Cutler...they almost never stop doing that. If he's got that issue now, he most likely won't be able to shake it when he gets to pros.

Rey
12-26-2012, 02:22 PM
Yeah...I'm still gonna stick with Dysert. His OL sucked. He does similar things in college that we do here. Has good pocket awareness when his OL does anything, good mobility and he has a rocket arm. Look at some of those medium and short passes and how he zips those things around...

I haven't looked at QB prospects in years...I like this Dysert guy...

76Texan
12-26-2012, 03:37 PM
Let me preface this by saying ive only seen Nassib play in 4 games. I agree his footwork is not great and it causes a large portion of his bad throws. I think he is a better athlete than you seem to give him credit for, but yes he nowhere near RG3 (most aren’t) Luck, or Wilson. Athletically I would compare him to Cutler. Everything I have read about him says he is a hardworking kid who is very smart which makes me believe his footwork, and decision making can improve under Kubiak. I in no way believe he can supplant Schaub soon; just that he is the kind of guy that will be able to cash in on his physical ability. Thanks for responding though, you can’t believe everything you read on the web and I appreciate your input.

Oh, I don't discount his athletic ability.
I did say that he has a chance to be a starter in the NFL if he keeps working at it and improve.

I just don't think he has the upside to be a top ten QB.

His ceiling, IMO, is an average NFL QB.
On the other hand, he may never become a starter.

76Texan
12-26-2012, 03:45 PM
Yeah...I'm still gonna stick with Dysert. His OL sucked. He does similar things in college that we do here. Has good pocket awareness when his OL does anything, good mobility and he has a rocket arm. Look at some of those medium and short passes and how he zips those things around...

I haven't looked at QB prospects in years...I like this Dysert guy...

I like Dysert upside.

I've watched him when scouting Brook last year.

Been watching some more.

He's a gamer alright. He can extend some plays and he throws very well on the run.

He takes too much time in the pocket more than I'd like (sacks).
He got away with scrambling quite a bit due to the level of competition, I don't think he can get away like that at the next level.

He has the footwork , but sometimes doesn't use it to his advantage.
Need to keep those legs chopping in the pocket.

And sometimes he makes silly mistakes.

I still want to watch more of him; he does have good potential.

I wouldn't say that he has a rocket arm, but he has made longer throw than Schaub and does have the zip on the deep out.

76Texan
12-26-2012, 03:49 PM
Early consensus is 2013 QB class can't touch 2012, no?

That's my line as well.

76Texan
12-26-2012, 03:58 PM
Early consensus is 2013 QB class can't touch 2012, no?

Wilso and Bray, the Tylers would look good in Steel Blue.

Give us your thoughts on Barkley and Landry Jones?

I still need to watch more of Wilson, Bray, and Jones.

I like Barkley; I think he has good potential to be an upgrade over Schaub.
He should, unless he follows Leinart's and VY's footstep.

I saw a lot of dropped balls; PIs - some called, some not, both affected his stat lines; receiver not running the route properly.

He does need not to try to do too much at times.
But overall, I see a guy that can be a better than average NFL QB in a couple of years.

What is his injury status anyway?

coon
12-26-2012, 04:08 PM
I really like Dysert strong arm, accurate. Needs to take care of the ball better and learn better footwork. Level he played at bothers me.

I like Bray better, because he also has a strong arm/best in the draft. Yes he makes some boneheaded throws. This comes from his belief the he can stck a ball in the tightest of spaces. He has terrible mechanics, throwing off his back foot and while still completing most of those the lack of mechanics is the cause of most of his ints. This can be fixed by great QB coaching of Gary. Bray reminds me of Matt Stafford with his size arm strength and his undisciplined throwing motion and footwork.

He's kind of a cocky type of guy, but most QB's that become good/great are that way. Brady/Manning/Brees Cutler/Rodgers/Romo etc... With Garys coaching and Brays god given abilty I think Bray could become great. (Worth a 1st rd pick) If Bray didn't have issues he would be the 1st pick in the draft because he has that kind of ability. IMHO

Think of a young Big Ben
From what i have seen of Bray, he is the most physically gifted Qb in this draft. However, he doesn't have it between the ears. He has played with three guys who are consistently mocked in the first three rounds, but he still never really ran an efficiently explosive offense at the collegiate level. He reminds me less of Stafford and more of JeMarcus Russell or any big armed Qb that never panned out. I wouldn't draft him any higher than the 5th round and even then I wouldn't be too optimistic that he pans out. As for Dysert, his scouting reports are solid and he does seem to have a better arm than Schaub. I'll be paying very close attention to his bowl game, and would love an in depth analysis from rey or 76 if you ever get the time.

mussop
12-27-2012, 12:53 AM
I watched some clips on a few guys and I like Dysert the best from what I've seen. Dude has good mobility, stays a live in the pocket, but keeps his eyes down field to make plays. He also has the best arm out of the guys I watched...

Not a fan of Nassib, Landry Jones, Bray, Murray or Glennon...

Not watching Barkley or Geno Smith as they likely won't be on board at any point for us..

But if I had to take a rookie QB this year at this point it'd be Dysert in the 2nd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMa5Nv2zoI

I think that's a good video that highlights his strengths and weaknesses...

Thats my boy right there. I would love to see him in steel blue. I wanted him to come out last year so we could draft him. He's gotten better every year. Love his pocket presence and they way he leads his team.

mussop
12-27-2012, 12:59 AM
I am a fan of Nassib. I dont think he will be a Luck or RG3 level starter, but I do think he would be an upgrade over Schaub (maybe not immediately,but in a year or two... which does not exactly help the Texans win now). Honestly though, there are not any QBs on the level of Luck and RG3 this year. Every player has warts. There are some starters, sure, but no true franchise QBs.

I think Landry Jones has some potential. He has great size and a good arm, and has better mobility than given credit for (certainly better than Schaub). He is a long time starter as well. But I dont think he is an IT can. He reminds me of Schaub at times, in that he looks good when you look at box scores, but when you watch the game he underwhelms you. All the tools are there, but his actual play is lacking.

I wont really go into other players, unless asked. I dont think there are any QBs that would help us win in the short term.

No sh!ti to the bolded. Who is in this draft? Yeh no short term answers for sure but there are guys with potential/ability that if coached right could turn into a far better option than anything we have now. Because of the amount of these type guys (just like the WR's) some should fall further than expected. Depending on who falls and where I would love to see us end up with one of these guys.

steelbtexan
12-27-2012, 01:22 AM
I still need to watch more of Wilson, Bray, and Jones.

I like Barkley; I think he has good potential to be an upgrade over Schaub.
He should, unless he follows Leinart's and VY's footstep.

I saw a lot of dropped balls; PIs - some called, some not, both affected his stat lines; receiver not running the route properly.

He does need not to try to do too much at times.
But overall, I see a guy that can be a better than average NFL QB in a couple of years.

What is his injury status anyway?

I dont think Barkley will fall to the bottom of the 1st. But if he falls to 15 or so, since the Texans have extra picks they should think about trading up to get him.

Barley is said to be doubtful for his bowl game.But he's a gametime decision.

rmartin65
12-27-2012, 06:48 AM
No sh!ti to the bolded. Who is in this draft? Yeh no short term answers for sure but there are guys with potential/ability that if coached right could turn into a far better option than anything we have now. Because of the amount of these type guys (just like the WR's) some should fall further than expected. Depending on who falls and where I would love to see us end up with one of these guys.

I felt like I had to say it, because I get the feeling that some people think that to be worth a pick they have to be on that level. Those guys are going to be special, and it is going to be hard to EVER get a guy like that. Especially as a well-built team who is unlikely to have a top pick in the foreseeable future.

76Texan
12-27-2012, 03:22 PM
I just finished watching Mike Glennon in 5 games; I think people will start talking about him soon.

Good size, good arm.
Good mobility for a big man.
Can throw with pretty good accuracy on the run.

Pretty solid footwork and mechanics.

I think he has a good ceiling.
There's a chance that he can be an upgrade over Schaub.

I want to watch him some more.
At the moment I think he's a late second, or at least an early third.

Some already said he might be drafted in the first.

leebigeztx
12-30-2012, 01:24 AM
I just finished watching Mike Glennon in 5 games; I think people will start talking about him soon.

Good size, good arm.
Good mobility for a big man.
Can throw with pretty good accuracy on the run.

Pretty solid footwork and mechanics.

I think he has a good ceiling.
There's a chance that he can be an upgrade over Schaub.

I want to watch him some more.
At the moment I think he's a late second, or at least an early third.

Some already said he might be drafted in the first.

I like manuel in 2nd or 3rd rd

Corrosion
12-30-2012, 01:57 AM
I wouldnt take a QB in this class prior to the 4th round .... bunch of career backups.

Playoffs
12-30-2012, 09:11 AM
I wouldnt take a QB in this class prior to the 4th round .... bunch of career backups.

Pinstripe Bowl was kind of brutal.

76Texan
12-30-2012, 09:24 AM
Pinstripe Bowl was kind of brutal.

Not good condition for aerial attacks.
I just read that there were a dozen of dropped passes in the first half alone.

steelbtexan
12-30-2012, 09:40 AM
I wouldnt take a QB in this class prior to the 4th round .... bunch of career backups.

If Bray grows up and improves his footwork he can be a franchise QB. (Big if) I would trade up and take him at the end of the 1st rd/top of 2nd rd.

Dysert also has potential to be a starter. I dont like Glennon, he's got the ability to be a starter but stares down his receivers too much for me to believe he will be successful in the NFL.

leebigeztx
12-30-2012, 12:17 PM
I wouldnt take a QB in this class prior to the 4th round .... bunch of career backups.

From the college games I've watched this year, I can say this is a false statement. Now if u want to say,guys need a yr or 2,I will give you that. Murray,manuel,bray can all be good starters in this league. Bray and manuel have a lot of physical talent.

TexCanada
12-30-2012, 03:17 PM
Tyler Wilson is interesting. He'd be worth an extended look.

76Texan
12-31-2012, 01:40 AM
I like manuel in 2nd or 3rd rd

I watched Florida and N.C. St.

I don't like how EJ doesn't seem to recognize coverage, blitz, and holding on to the ball too long.

I didn't like him as a Jr, but I will watch him some more this year.

At this moment, we're looking for somebody who has the ceiling to replace Schaub.
Even if it might take a couple of years, the guy must demonstrate that upside.

rmartin65
12-31-2012, 01:03 PM
I just finished watching Mike Glennon in 5 games; I think people will start talking about him soon.

Good size, good arm.
Good mobility for a big man.
Can throw with pretty good accuracy on the run.

Pretty solid footwork and mechanics.

I think he has a good ceiling.
There's a chance that he can be an upgrade over Schaub.

I want to watch him some more.
At the moment I think he's a late second, or at least an early third.

Some already said he might be drafted in the first.

I hope you are watching this bowl game... Glennon is ****ting the bed. Poor footwork and poor accuracy gallore (sp?).

LonerATO
12-31-2012, 01:39 PM
I hope you are watching this bowl game... Glennon is ****ting the bed. Poor footwork and poor accuracy gallore (sp?).

He also looks like he has no mobility ie. Schaub and even the announcers made the comment that he doesn't like to move around.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 01:49 PM
I think these comments and evaluations are the reason why Smith was eager to re-sign Schaub. Even Geno and Dysart who I mocked early last off season will need a year or so to develop as starters. Fans can complain all they want about Matt, but I see no option as a replacement that can put you where Schaub has so far.

Well I bet I can find a guy who can throw two picks to help cost his team the 1st seed and HFA through the playoffs in less than 3 phone calls.

:fingergun:

mussop
12-31-2012, 05:40 PM
I just finished watching Mike Glennon in 5 games; I think people will start talking about him soon.

Good size, good arm.
Good mobility for a big man.
Can throw with pretty good accuracy on the run.

Pretty solid footwork and mechanics.

I think he has a good ceiling.
There's a chance that he can be an upgrade over Schaub.

I want to watch him some more.
At the moment I think he's a late second, or at least an early third.

Some already said he might be drafted in the first.

Man he reminds me of a young joe flaco. He, Like a lot of the QB's in this class has potential and all the physical abilities you look for in a young QB. But he is going to need some time and good coaching to reach his potential. As are the other all the other top talents in this draft.

mussop
12-31-2012, 05:46 PM
Time to bring VY home!

Eww just threw up a little in my mouth. Maybe we should draft a better backup next year. Maybe a local kid like the one from UH or Baylor. has anyone seen the QB #4 zack dysert from Miami oh? I like what I've seen from him so far.

I have been on the Dysert train for awhile.

TimeKiller
12-31-2012, 06:39 PM
Glennon is a good prospect to begin as a backup. He's got a very good arm and some ability to sling it. If he's a little slow footed, I'm sure he'll learn very well from Schaub lol...seriously though, Texans need to start building up their QB talent core. Schaub is sailing off the map and TJ Yates is a Sage 2.0...a gunslinger who makes things happen like touchdowns and turnovers. They should start taking chances with QBs until they have a legitimate, contending QB.

WolverineFan
12-31-2012, 07:11 PM
This QB class is not very good. Smith and Barkley will probably go early but only because of team's needing QB's. Glennon is a project. He's very raw. He's going to be extremely overrated come draft time because of his size and arm. Bray might have the most talent of all the guys in this draft but he has serious attitude questions. I like Tyler Wilson, but I don't think he'll be anything more than a solid starter.

leebigeztx
01-01-2013, 04:40 AM
I think when evaluating these young qbs, we must remember these are not finished products. What we should look for in these players are traits that can't be taught. Good coaching can make up for a lot of things,but the ball of clay that is the talent is natural. I can find flaws in all of these qbs,but I'm looking for the guy who can do some of the things that will have the entire playbook open in a couple of years. How many guys are big enough,mobile enough,and the arm talent and iq to do everything kubiak would like to do. I really feel from a physical standpoint, if kubes were coaching carr earlier in his career,he would've been a lot better even though I was never a david carr guy. How many guys fit the aaron rodgers profile as a qb? Not the aaron rodgers we see now,but the guy coming in who had a nfl with good mobility. In this microwave era, many want aaron rodger the mvp and best qb in the league,but in reality after his 2nd yr in the league,a lot of people thought he wasn't gonna be any good.is there a guy with his out of college skillset who will be availible for the texans?

badboy
01-01-2013, 02:04 PM
Well I bet I can find a guy who can throw two picks to help cost his team the 1st seed and HFA through the playoffs in less than 3 phone calls.

:fingergun:yeah you can find someone to match his negatives but that is not what we want. Try finding someone that can match his positives and that we can get. Keep in mind that I have tried to replace Matt for two years.

Honoring Earl 34
01-01-2013, 11:51 PM
EJ Manuel in the 3rd or 4th ... Why ... He has talent and is a 4 year guy who was a team leader .

ArlingtonTexan
01-01-2013, 11:54 PM
EJ Manuel in the 3rd or 4th ... Why ... He has talent and is a 4 year guy who was a team leader .

I keeping wanting to like EJ Manuel more than I do. Nice physical specimen, throws a nice ball, moves well enough, does not seem like a mental midget, but something is just missing.

Rey
01-02-2013, 12:54 AM
Out of all the qb's I've seen, I'm liking dysert the most. Not really close for me.

Dudes arm is top notch, good mobility, strong enough to shake off tacklers in the pocket...and then he just seems to have that innate ability that great qb's have of staying alive long enough to find a receiver that's open.

And I watched a bunch of other qb's (not all) and he by far had the strongest arm. No big wind up, he has a nice compact delivery where he almost flicks the ball and puts it way down field to a streaking receiver or he slices it in in shorter areas to receivers.

I'm a fan of his and regardless who takes him I'll be following and rooting for him. I like how he plays the qb position a lot.

leebigeztx
01-02-2013, 01:30 AM
Out of all the qb's I've seen, I'm liking dysert the most. Not really close for me.

Dudes arm is top notch, good mobility, strong enough to shake off tacklers in the pocket...and then he just seems to have that innate ability that great qb's have of staying alive long enough to find a receiver that's open.

And I watched a bunch of other qb's (not all) and he by far had the strongest arm. No big wind up, he has a nice compact delivery where he almost flicks the ball and puts it way down field to a streaking receiver or he slices it in in shorter areas to receivers.

I'm a fan of his and regardless who takes him I'll be following and rooting for him. I like how he plays the qb position a lot.

I like the guy I watched tonight, manuel. Good mechanics,holds the ball tight with 2 hands,great mobility,very good arm. As lance z and I were tweeting back and forth, a pro style offense and good coaching would be golden for him.

TimeKiller
01-02-2013, 07:57 AM
Couple names for you guys-

Brad Sorensen
Sean Renfree

mussop
01-03-2013, 07:53 AM
I think when evaluating these young qbs, we must remember these are not finished products. What we should look for in these players are traits that can't be taught. Good coaching can make up for a lot of things,but the ball of clay that is the talent is natural. I can find flaws in all of these qbs,but I'm looking for the guy who can do some of the things that will have the entire playbook open in a couple of years. How many guys are big enough,mobile enough,and the arm talent and iq to do everything kubiak would like to do. I really feel from a physical standpoint, if kubes were coaching carr earlier in his career,he would've been a lot better even though I was never a david carr guy. How many guys fit the aaron rodgers profile as a qb? Not the aaron rodgers we see now,but the guy coming in who had a nfl with good mobility. In this microwave era, many want aaron rodger the mvp and best qb in the league,but in reality after his 2nd yr in the league,a lot of people thought he wasn't gonna be any good.is there a guy with his out of college skillset who will be availible for the texans?

His little brother is in this draft. Not quite the same prospect though.

Wolf6151
01-14-2013, 01:46 AM
Bringing this thread back to the top, what do you guys think of Matt Scott-QB from Arizona? Is anyone familiar with him, or has paid attention to him that can give an opinion? I've read Walterfootball and CBS/NFLDraftScout and both seem to have a very favorable opinion of him and he had a pretty productive senior season in 2012.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-14-2013, 02:47 AM
This is a thread that I was looking for!!!

If we had QB with legs and a decent arm strength and accuracy, we will be more tougher and better O team IMO.

A big question, is there QB prospect worthy of going all out in 2013 draft class? If not, I am intrigued by Redskins' Cousins. What do you guys think?
Also, like for us to take a good like at our own TJ and Case as well next year.

EllisUnit
01-14-2013, 05:02 AM
This is a thread that I was looking for!!!

If we had QB with legs and a decent arm strength and accuracy, we will be more tougher and better O team IMO.

A big question, is there QB prospect worthy of going all out in 2013 draft class? If not, I am intrigued by Redskins' Cousins. What do you guys think?
Also, like for us to take a good like at our own TJ and Case as well next year.

I liked what i saw from Cousins as well BUT i think we need to either go BIG in the draft or work with one of young guys yates or Case. Not to fond of bringing in another teams back up to be our starter again.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-14-2013, 05:50 AM
I liked what i saw from Cousins as well BUT i think we need to either go BIG in the draft or work with one of young guys yates or Case. Not to fond of bringing in another teams back up to be our starter again.

I know what you mean but Cousins is not like Matt. He is a rook just like RG3 is. Cousins showed a flash of what he is capable of in a little shanny scheme which is almost the same scheme as ours and this is why I am intrigued by Cousins talent.

ralph
01-14-2013, 10:16 AM
I still like Barkley. A year ago teams would've killed to get him.

Dutchrudder
01-14-2013, 10:56 AM
Early consensus is 2013 QB class can't touch 2012, no?

I don't really like this sort of thinking. When it comes to QB, if you are looking for a franchise QB, it doesn't matter how the class is, just that the one single guy you're willing to bet on has what you want. Last year's class may have produced 3 franchise QBs, Luck, RG3 and Wilson. It's unlikely IMO that Tannehill, Weedon or Cousins turn into franchise QBs, and I'm concerned about how long RG3 will be in the NFL given his injuries.

I think if you stack up this class against 2012, you only have Luck and RG3 ahead of most of these guys. Barkley, Geno, Bray, Nassib and Wilson should all be graded ahead of what Tannehill and Weeden were coming out, and I think each has much better pro potential. I personally like Tyler Wilson the most, but I could go for Barkley too.

qqert
01-14-2013, 10:58 AM
y'all are insane.
matt schaub has a long term contract and is not going anywhere for 2 yrs at least..

might as well put your minds into other things such as improving the OL, LB, TE, WR..

badboy
01-14-2013, 11:31 AM
y'all are insane.
matt schaub has a long term contract and is not going anywhere for 2 yrs at least..

might as well put your minds into other things such as improving the OL, LB, TE, WR..While I agree with your statement, I think the arguement is to find his successor. An NFL QB, other than an elite like Luck, takes some time to develop.

htownfan32
01-14-2013, 11:44 AM
I don't really like this sort of thinking. When it comes to QB, if you are looking for a franchise QB, it doesn't matter how the class is, just that the one single guy you're willing to bet on has what you want. Last year's class may have produced 3 franchise QBs, Luck, RG3 and Wilson. It's unlikely IMO that Tannehill, Weedon or Cousins turn into franchise QBs, and I'm concerned about how long RG3 will be in the NFL given his injuries.

I think if you stack up this class against 2012, you only have Luck and RG3 ahead of most of these guys. Barkley, Geno, Bray, Nassib and Wilson should all be graded ahead of what Tannehill and Weeden were coming out, and I think each has much better pro potential. I personally like Tyler Wilson the most, but I could go for Barkley too.

I think Tannehill or Cousins could, but Tannehill definitely needs a surrounding cast better than the one he has now. I'd like him to come and sit a few years here and then play. Cousins, on the other hand... could possibly start for us. I absolutely love the player, was high on him last year and was kinda disappointed that the Skins got him even though they got RGIII.

JMO but I don't like USC QBs, would not touch Barkley. Geno is probably gone to the Chiefs. I personally think Wilson is the surest bet in this draft. Geno seems like a bit of a flash in the pan for me. If not... maybe Dysert or Nassib, and a later pick on Bray (maybe Kubes can coach him up, because dude's got the physical tools).

NCTexan
01-14-2013, 12:44 PM
Can anyone explain the Glennon hype to me? As an ACC fan, I just don't see it. I see place mocking him in the first. He's not first round material at all based off his body of work in college.

Doppelganger
01-14-2013, 12:57 PM
Can anyone explain the Glennon hype to me? As an ACC fan, I just don't see it. I see place mocking him in the first. He's not first round material at all based off his body of work in college.

Size. 6'6 230lbs is a big boy. He has a big arm and mowed down inferior competition. He is Ryan Mallet without the potential baggage. He also has significant accuracy issues and makes questionable decisions. Size will make him a first rounder. I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of the first 3 QBs taken.

Playoffs
01-14-2013, 01:00 PM
Can anyone explain the Glennon hype to me?They're going to hype somebody, even though this class is weak. I think 2012 3rd rounders will be 2013 1st round selections..

NCTexan
01-14-2013, 01:42 PM
Size. 6'6 230lbs is a big boy. He has a big arm and mowed down inferior competition. He is Ryan Mallet without the potential baggage. He also has significant accuracy issues and makes questionable decisions. Size will make him a first rounder. I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of the first 3 QBs taken.

This is what confuses me. He struggled against good teams, and sucked against some bad ones, like the UVa game. 3 INTs against their secondary is awful.

Do you think he should be in the top 3 QBs?

ObsiWan
01-14-2013, 01:54 PM
They're going to hype somebody, even though this class is weak. I think 2012 3rd rounders will be 2013 1st round selections..

Russell Wilson, wasn't he a 2012 3rd rounder?
:D

Dutchrudder
01-14-2013, 02:15 PM
I think Tannehill or Cousins could, but Tannehill definitely needs a surrounding cast better than the one he has now. I'd like him to come and sit a few years here and then play. Cousins, on the other hand... could possibly start for us. I absolutely love the player, was high on him last year and was kinda disappointed that the Skins got him even though they got RGIII.

JMO but I don't like USC QBs, would not touch Barkley. Geno is probably gone to the Chiefs. I personally think Wilson is the surest bet in this draft. Geno seems like a bit of a flash in the pan for me. If not... maybe Dysert or Nassib, and a later pick on Bray (maybe Kubes can coach him up, because dude's got the physical tools).

Yeah, I don't really know what to tell you. Barkley is not the same person as Lienart, Palmer, John David Booty or Sanchez. Sure that's a poor list of NFL QBs from USC, but you can't evaluate a guy on things that have nothing to do with him. If you want to say that everyone might be underestimating Barkley simply because his headcoach is a moron, or everyone could be overrating him due to poor competition, great pass protection, or his top notch WRs, I can understand that. But don't fault the guy just because of the school he came from.

I like Barkley as a steal this draft. I think he could be there at #27 and is worthy of a trade up if necessary. Barkley was hurt this past season and that has affected his draft stock immensely. There's a lot to like about him:

- Excellent high school resume. His coach loved him and let him call plays at the LOS on his own back then.
- Four year starter at USC, first true freshman QB to start the first game of the season at USC.
- He has a good arm with a range of 55-60 yards in the air
- He played in a pro-style offense at USC and took a lot of snaps under center
- I think he has good footwork, but others around here are better suited at evaluating that
- I like watching him go through progressions on longer plays. He at least does a decent job of this, but I do see a lot of one read throws. Might be the play calling, not sure.
- I have seen him roll out on play action naked bootlegs many times and make the plays down field or even tuck the ball and run for positive yards
- He looks good at evading tackles, not Vick or RG3-like, but Tony Romo evasiveness. That's a huge upgrade from Schaub, and it allows him to extend plays.
- I have seen him directing receivers on broken plays where he rolled out and found an open man to hit while extending the play and keeping his eyes downfield. I really like seeing that.
- I love his touch passes to the sidelines. Something the Texans sorely lack with Matt Schaub is that he does not have a clue how to drop a pass on a WR's outside shoulder down the sideline or in the corner of the end zone. Barkley seems to have knack for hitting the outside shoulder of the receiver on short and mid range routes, which makes it more difficult to intercept his throws.
- He was the starting QB of a big school, which put a lot of pressure on him and will make him more ready for the scrutiny of an NFL QB position.
- Is above average (at least) at throwing on the run, which he does quite a bit on bootlegs. That fits well with the Texans' offense.
- He can run if needed, he ran a few QB draws or playaction fakes that lead to him rolling out and running with the ball to get a first down or at least a few yards.
- Good pump fake
- Pretty good about getting rid of the ball when under a lot of pressure.
- Clean character, devout Christian and lots of charity work. Kind of a Tebow-lite in this aspect, but not as in-your-face about it, nor as creepy.


Cons:
Lots of passes in the USC offense are short routes and screens. He's good at getting them the ball, but they don't always go very far. A few too many checkdowns for my liking.
2012 was clearly a worse year than his 2011 performance. He may have regressed a bit, but I'm not sure why. Had pretty poor o-line protection in 2012, so I think that may be the big difference. Matt Kalil drafted last year, and their replacement LT doesn't look anywhere near as good. His center and guards were pretty poor in a few games. I hope nobody mocks any of the USC o-line to us... :)
Injuries - Missed 4 games out of 51 potential starts in his four year career. Has had some shoulder injuries prior to the one his senior year.
Height 6'1 1/2 - Some sites list him as 6'2. I wouldn't be worried about it.
Date of birth: September 8, 1990 (age 22) - Still kind of young, but he has been starting at QB since high school.

Señor Stan
01-14-2013, 02:44 PM
We do have some chips to move up...I know you can't trade comp picks, but you CAN trade your own. We could trade our 3rd and 5th rounders and still have picks at the end of those rounds.

Playoffs
01-14-2013, 02:46 PM
Russell Wilson, wasn't he a 2012 3rd rounder?
:DYep. If he could have waited, he'd be a Chief in a few months. :kitten:

b0ng
01-14-2013, 03:25 PM
Yep. If he could have waited, he'd be a Chief in a few months. :kitten:

He would've gotten passed up in favor of guys who are bigger than him, just like in 2012.

Dutchrudder
01-14-2013, 03:32 PM
More info on Matt Barkley from ESPN:

Height 6'2
228 pounds
4.9 40 yard dash time

Height-Weight-Speed 3
Possesses average height and bulk along with good top-end speed for the position.

Durability 3
Bruised his throwing shoulder (right) against Ohio State in 2009 and was forced to miss the following week against Washington. In addition, had surgery on his right wrist following the 2010 season to relieve stiffness and clean up inflammation. In 2010 sustained a left ankle sprain against Oregon State and was forced to miss the second half of that game as well as the following week against Notre Dame. Pieced together a healthy and full 2011 season which has eased some durability concerns at this point.

Intangibles 1
A very disciplined and religious individual. A natural leader who kept team together in amidst of former Coach Pete Carroll leaving for the Seattle Seahawks and the program being handed down severe sanctions by the NCAA in the off-season before the fall of 2010. A three time team captain and was the first sophomore in USC history to be named team captain. Understands the necessary sacrifices both on the field and in the weight and film room to be successful at the position. Holds a career mark of 27-9 in 36 starts through first three seasons. Matt and his family have spent recent Christmas' volunteering with orphans in third world countries.


Mental Makeup 1
A polished prospect that possesses a high football IQ and shoulders a tremendous amount of responsibility conducting a pro-style offense. Possesses great field awareness and has a thorough understanding of game situations. Processes information quickly both with pre and post-snap. Sees the entire field and consistently can get to second and third progressions. Savvy and can manipulate coverage with pump fakes. Oblivious to the rush and will sit in the pocket and make throw under duress. Calm and executed well working against pressure and rarely takes sacks. Can anticipate throwing lanes. Much improved in terms of a decision maker and taking care of the ball in 2011.

Accuracy 2
Overall accuracy is good. Consistently hits the mark with short-to-intermediate throws. Shows excellent touch and placement with shallow crosses and slants and allows receivers to maximize yards after the catch. Also shows ability to deliver an accurate ball when feet are not set and off-balance. Still struggled to find consistency in 2011 with deeper intermediate and down field throws. Needs to show more touch with long ball to provide targets more room for error to adjust. Above-average accuracy on the move both rolling to his right and left.

Release/Arm Strength 3
Possesses a quick over-the-top to 3/4 release and flashes ability to change release point if need be. Arm strength is adequate. Does not have prototypical capabilities to drive the ball and stretch the field vertically as a Joe Flacco or Ben Roethlisberger. However, did show ability to make all the necessary NFL type throws including getting good velocity on deep out throws from opposite hash.

Pocket Mobility 2
Has limitations athletically but makes up for it with savvy in the pocket. Pocket instincts and poise to sit the pocket, keep eyes downfield and get through progressions is one the best we've seen at the collegiate level. Does a nice job of using subtle movements avoid the rush while keeping eyes down field while securing the ball with two hands. Does not panic when feeling pocket collapsing. Never going to a threat running the ball but can escape the pocket and buy time to extend plays.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29232/matt-barkley

Personal life info from Wiki (sounds like Bob McNair's type of player):

Barkley is a devout Christian and plays acoustic guitar with a church youth group. His father Les co-owns an insurance business with his brother in-law. At Mater Dei, Barkley's parents started the Monarchs for Marines (M4M) campaign, whereby hundreds of Mater Dei students, coaches and parents volunteered to landscape and renovate youth areas at nearby Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton. Barkley had a 3.77 GPA in high school and frequently speaks to young students about the importance of staying on top of school work.[41] Barkley's cousin, Robbie Boyer, was a walk-on at USC during Barkley's freshman, sophomore, and junior years.[7]

During Christmas 2008, Barkley went with a group of friends and family to help run an orphanage in South Africa.[11][14] He appears on I Am Second, sharing the story of his Christian faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ.[42] At the beginning of his USC career, Barkley befriended former USC Olympian, World War II prisoner of war and inspirational speaker, Louis Zamperini.

Playoffs
01-14-2013, 04:40 PM
A little light on content, but...

2013 NFL Draft: Is There a Colin Kaepernick or Russell Wilson to Be Found? (http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/01/14/2013-nfl-draft-is-there-a-colin-kaepernick-or-russell-wilson-to-be-found/)
Here’s a quick look at the QBs with running skills in the 2013 draft, with two stats to keep in mind: Kaepernick ran a 4.53 40 at the NFL combine; Wilson ran a 4.55 in 2012...

powda
01-14-2013, 04:44 PM
While I appreciate all the effort here guys (especially since I saw almost zero college ball this season) I can't help but take the devils advocate approach...

You guys are focusing on the qb's we SHOULD be looking at and not the qb kubiak will be looking at.

Kubiak had an average arm and wheels. That's what he wants.

Find me an unknown qb who:

Is a yes man
3 year or better starter
Not a plus arm
Not a plus leader
Not plus mobility
Even keel demeanor
Comming off injury
Former tight end

Kubiak takes pride indirectly showing us his success is because of his "brilliant" scheme and not overwhelming talent. I believe a vick type talent could be available and Kube would skip him if he didnt trust him. Find me someone mediocre with no ceiling.

Dutchrudder
01-14-2013, 04:50 PM
While I appreciate all the effort here guys (especially since I saw almost zero college ball this season) I can't help but take the devils advocate approach...

You guys are focusing on the qb's we SHOULD be looking at and not the qb kubiak will be looking at.

Kubiak had an average arm and wheels. That's what he wants.

Find me an unknown qb who:

Is a yes man
3 year or better starter
Not a plus arm
Not a plus leader
Not plus mobility
Even keel demeanor
Comming off injury
Former tight end

Kubiak takes pride indirectly showing us his success is because of his "brilliant" scheme and not overwhelming talent. I believe a vick type talent could be available and Kube would skip him if he didnt trust him. Find me someone mediocre with no ceiling.

I think the closest you will get to that is Landry Jones, and he will probably be there in the 3rd for us. If I was predicting who the Texans will pick in this next draft (if they take a QB at all), it would be Jones.

ralph
01-14-2013, 05:36 PM
I think the closest you will get to that is Landry Jones, and he will probably be there in the 3rd for us. If I was predicting who the Texans will pick in this next draft (if they take a QB at all), it would be Jones.

And I really do not want Jones. We have Yates. If we're drafting a QB he should have franchise potential i.e., Barkley, Bray, maybe Dysert, maybe Wilson.

htownfan32
01-15-2013, 01:45 PM
Yeah, I don't really know what to tell you. Barkley is not the same person as Lienart, Palmer, John David Booty or Sanchez. Sure that's a poor list of NFL QBs from USC, but you can't evaluate a guy on things that have nothing to do with him. If you want to say that everyone might be underestimating Barkley simply because his headcoach is a moron, or everyone could be overrating him due to poor competition, great pass protection, or his top notch WRs, I can understand that. But don't fault the guy just because of the school he came from.

I like Barkley as a steal this draft. I think he could be there at #27 and is worthy of a trade up if necessary. Barkley was hurt this past season and that has affected his draft stock immensely. There's a lot to like about him:

- Excellent high school resume. His coach loved him and let him call plays at the LOS on his own back then.
- Four year starter at USC, first true freshman QB to start the first game of the season at USC.
- He has a good arm with a range of 55-60 yards in the air
- He played in a pro-style offense at USC and took a lot of snaps under center
- I think he has good footwork, but others around here are better suited at evaluating that
- I like watching him go through progressions on longer plays. He at least does a decent job of this, but I do see a lot of one read throws. Might be the play calling, not sure.
- I have seen him roll out on play action naked bootlegs many times and make the plays down field or even tuck the ball and run for positive yards
- He looks good at evading tackles, not Vick or RG3-like, but Tony Romo evasiveness. That's a huge upgrade from Schaub, and it allows him to extend plays.
- I have seen him directing receivers on broken plays where he rolled out and found an open man to hit while extending the play and keeping his eyes downfield. I really like seeing that.
- I love his touch passes to the sidelines. Something the Texans sorely lack with Matt Schaub is that he does not have a clue how to drop a pass on a WR's outside shoulder down the sideline or in the corner of the end zone. Barkley seems to have knack for hitting the outside shoulder of the receiver on short and mid range routes, which makes it more difficult to intercept his throws.
- He was the starting QB of a big school, which put a lot of pressure on him and will make him more ready for the scrutiny of an NFL QB position.
- Is above average (at least) at throwing on the run, which he does quite a bit on bootlegs. That fits well with the Texans' offense.
- He can run if needed, he ran a few QB draws or playaction fakes that lead to him rolling out and running with the ball to get a first down or at least a few yards.
- Good pump fake
- Pretty good about getting rid of the ball when under a lot of pressure.
- Clean character, devout Christian and lots of charity work. Kind of a Tebow-lite in this aspect, but not as in-your-face about it, nor as creepy.


Cons:
Lots of passes in the USC offense are short routes and screens. He's good at getting them the ball, but they don't always go very far. A few too many checkdowns for my liking.
2012 was clearly a worse year than his 2011 performance. He may have regressed a bit, but I'm not sure why. Had pretty poor o-line protection in 2012, so I think that may be the big difference. Matt Kalil drafted last year, and their replacement LT doesn't look anywhere near as good. His center and guards were pretty poor in a few games. I hope nobody mocks any of the USC o-line to us... :)
Injuries - Missed 4 games out of 51 potential starts in his four year career. Has had some shoulder injuries prior to the one his senior year.
Height 6'1 1/2 - Some sites list him as 6'2. I wouldn't be worried about it.
Date of birth: September 8, 1990 (age 22) - Still kind of young, but he has been starting at QB since high school.

I suppose it's just superstition on my part, then... little leery of that school. In any case, it's not like Matt Barkley sucks. He's got the tools, but something fell apart this season for him. Either his team let him down or the other way around, but I'll leave Rick Smith and the scouts to judge whether that was on him or his team.

Though... Barkley in the first, Robert Woods in the second? Sounds pretty nice, actually. I won't knock him on his height (after Russell Wilson's season I don't think anyone will knock on height). I'm worried about the checkdowns. I hope that's not his mentality, because I'm afraid Kubes would just rein him in with the checkdowns and we'd end up with Matt Schaub II. I like that he's effective rolling out of the pocket, though. That's one thing I don't like about Schaub is that too often he looks for the little five yard dumpoff even on designed rollouts and when he's pressured out the pocket, it's basically a throw to the sidelines every single time. If Barkley was good for 15-30 yards on even the well executed plays (because more and more often Schaub is not) he'd be good at moving the chains for us.

beerlover
01-31-2013, 10:12 AM
Sounds like Texans are getting more serious about taking a QB earlier than expected. So guess we have to really consider options?

2nd/3rd rd. Zac Dysert anyone?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/12/18/3780098/scouting-the-draft-qb-zac-dysert

thunderkyss
01-31-2013, 12:49 PM
Sounds like Texans are getting more serious about taking a QB earlier than expected. So guess we have to really consider options?

2nd/3rd rd. Zac Dysert anyone?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/12/18/3780098/scouting-the-draft-qb-zac-dysert

I'm sorry, what is it that makes you think the Texans are serious about taking a QB early?

How does this Dysert guy compare to Tj Yates' scouting report?

Rey
01-31-2013, 04:59 PM
Sounds like Texans are getting more serious about taking a QB earlier than expected. So guess we have to really consider options?

2nd/3rd rd. Zac Dysert anyone?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/12/18/3780098/scouting-the-draft-qb-zac-dysert

I love Dysert. If he's there in the third and the Texans took him I'd be excited...

Wolf6151
01-31-2013, 06:34 PM
Leave it to the Texans to look for a QB the year after one of the best QB classes in decades, 2012, and now try to find a QB in what looks like an average at best bunch of QB candidates. We're always a day late and a dollar short.

beerlover
02-01-2013, 01:10 AM
I'm sorry, what is it that makes you think the Texans are serious about taking a QB early?

How does this Dysert guy compare to Tj Yates' scouting report?
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/30/texans-could-draft-a-quarterback-high/

there was quite a bit of talk actually a whole segment on this topic. Here was just a quick blurb from Hub Arkush. I will say this much, if Texans feel that bpa is a QB sitting there #27 or there is a QB they covet little later, maybe trade down not to loose a selection doing so, that would be optimum IMO.


For argument sake, lets say it is Dysert, ok. 3rd rd. grade right? Trade out of the first & nail down ILB without over drafting position, lets just say Minter, LSU. In exchange you pick up another teams 3rd rd. pick, Texans could use that pick on Dysert (early to mid) before their own pick to ensure they get him. Texans would still have two third round picks they could use or trade again, so on & so on. It can happen their are multiple options open to creative minds & Rick Smith has proven, IMO, the ability to bring in talent needed.

otisbean
02-01-2013, 06:20 AM
After hearing everyone talk about Dysert, I was excited to see him in the Senior Bowl. I know it's only one game and a week of practices but I was really impressed. I'd love to grab a QB but I don't see anyone in this class that's exciting.

WolverineFan
02-03-2013, 10:34 AM
After hearing everyone talk about Dysert, I was excited to see him in the Senior Bowl. I know it's only one game and a week of practices but I was really impressed. I'd love to grab a QB but I don't see anyone in this class that's exciting.

I did not like how he played. The majority of his completions were checkdowns to the RB. He rarely went downfield.

Hasn't that been a board criticism of Schaub for years?

coon
02-03-2013, 11:43 AM
I did not like how he played. The majority of his completions were checkdowns to the RB. He rarely went downfield.

Hasn't that been a board criticism of Schaub for years?

Dysert is better than he showed at the senior bowl. I agree he looked bad but he does have some good skills. That said I'm not sold on any of the Qb's in this draft class anymore. I would just pass on the Qb's and hope for McCarron next year.

Lucky
02-03-2013, 12:53 PM
I did not like how he played. The majority of his completions were checkdowns to the RB. He rarely went downfield.

It's difficult to make an assessment of a QB from an all star game, or a combine. Especially a game where the o-lines were manhandled by the d-lines. What you can see is if his natural ability pops out. I didn't see anything from Dysert that popped out at the Senior Bowl. But, Tom Brady didn't pop out at the Shrine game, and was drafted in the 6th round.

QB is such a tough position to project in the NFL. You need someone in the organization that really knows what they're looking at when scouting college QBs. I don't know if the Texans have that guy.

76Texan
02-03-2013, 04:17 PM
This QB class is pretty weak, I don't quite see the value in drafting one.

Dysert seems to be a maybe, unlike Wilson, and that doesn't excite me enough.
I think I'll pass on this class and wait for the next one.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-03-2013, 10:03 PM
Well, too bad there's OB prospects aren't as good as last year. Maybe next year. Let's see what TJ and Case bring us on table next year. Perhaps, this is the year for us to look for #2WR in early rounds?

Playoffs
02-05-2013, 04:46 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2013/02/03/insider-on-joeckel-it-does-not-get-much-better“I am not sold on (Syracuse QB) Ryan Nassib’s arm strength. He has really short arms. He’s not a great runner, but he is one of the better pure passers I have seen. He’s better than Kirk Cousins.”

steelbtexan
02-05-2013, 05:40 PM
Well, too bad there's OB prospects aren't as good as last year. Maybe next year. Let's see what TJ and Case bring us on table next year. Perhaps, this is the year for us to look for #2WR in early rounds?

I really like Bray, but this may be the yr that the Texans fill a bunch of holes and look for another QB next yr. In fact I believe that's the way to go, starting with WR2.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-05-2013, 06:24 PM
I really like Bray, but this may be the yr that the Texans fill a bunch of holes and look for another QB next yr. In fact I believe that's the way to go, starting with WR2.

Yeah, if we give Matt an another weapon at WR, he should be a little more productive than 2012. I was wondering if we maybe able to trade Tate for 2nd rd if there's willing trading partner. In this way, we will have 5 picks (assuming we get comp 3rd for MW) from 1st to 3rd and should be able to fill the most of holes. I would like for us to address the following positions early. WR, NT, LB, DE, S, T. We can fill 5 holes out of 6 by 3rd rd. But I won't be surprised if Kube go after tall TE. I am also interested in Lattimore to see how far he falls due to injury. If he falls to Mid rd, we should at least take a good look.

Wolf6151
02-06-2013, 01:00 AM
Yeah, if we give Matt an another weapon at WR, he should be a little more productive than 2012. I was wondering if we maybe able to trade Tate for 2nd rd if there's willing trading partner. In this way, we will have 5 picks (assuming we get comp 3rd for MW) from 1st to 3rd and should be able to fill the most of holes. I would like for us to address the following positions early. WR, NT, LB, DE, S, T. We can fill 5 holes out of 6 by 3rd rd. But I won't be surprised if Kube go after tall TE. I am also interested in Lattimore to see how far he falls due to injury. If he falls to Mid rd, we should at least take a good look.

We've discussed this before and in a trade Tate will bring a 4th at best and more likely a 5th round pick. At this point we might as well hang onto him hopeing that he performs well in a contract year in which he's auditioning for all the teams in the NFL and then let him walk in FA and get our comp. pick the next year. We're going to have to settle for filling only 4 team holes with our picks unless Rick makes some trades. As for Lattimore I'd maybe sign him as an UDFA but only if the doctors examine and approve him. This isn't his first knee injury, and as I understand it he blew out everything in that knee. I think his hopes for an NFL career are slim.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-06-2013, 03:20 AM
We've discussed this before and in a trade Tate will bring a 4th at best and more likely a 5th round pick. At this point we might as well hang onto him hopeing that he performs well in a contract year in which he's auditioning for all the teams in the NFL and then let him walk in FA and get our comp. pick the next year. We're going to have to settle for filling only 4 team holes with our picks unless Rick makes some trades. As for Lattimore I'd maybe sign him as an UDFA but only if the doctors examine and approve him. This isn't his first knee injury, and as I understand it he blew out everything in that knee. I think his hopes for an NFL career are slim.

Yep, perhaps it would be better for us to keep him and hope for the best unless, there's a player Rick likes in the 4th or 5th rd and able to find a trading partner. Too bad for Lattimore. If he blew out everything in his knee like D Davis (Williams), only UDFA is the way to go. At least we have a chance to fill 4 holes with our 1~3rd rd picks which ain't that bad. Hope, we draft the right ones.

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 10:46 AM
Yep, perhaps it would be better for us to keep him and hope for the best unless, there's a player Rick likes in the 4th or 5th rd and able to find a trading partner. Too bad for Lattimore. If he blew out everything in his knee like D Davis (Williams), only UDFA is the way to go. At least we have a chance to fill 4 holes with our 1~3rd rd picks which ain't that bad. Hope, we draft the right ones.

Hopefully Gary/Wade/Rick do a better job than they have in past yrs and can find some sleepers in the later rds. Like McCain for example.

If you think they can only find good players in rds 1-3 then they should trade up using picks in rds 4/5/7 to move up into rd 3.

This way the Texans would have picks in rd 1/2/ three in rd 3/rd 5 comp pick and rd 6. I'm a quality over quantity guy, Trading the picks to move up and select players that have a higher % of success.

Rick/Gary/Wade thought just the opposite last yr and instead of trading up for a WR like Hill they traded down and took Posey. Differing philosophies not saying which one is right, but Rick hasn't really ever hit on a big time player in the later rds. Say like a Stevie Johnson/Antonio Brown/Alex Boone type of player. So trading up seems logical to me.

Plus they have alot of picks so most of the later rd picks should have a slim chance of making the team.

beerlover
02-06-2013, 02:01 PM
Ironic isn't it, Texans traded places with Ravens who selected Flacco now one of the top QB's in the NFL :kubepalm:

badboy
02-06-2013, 03:21 PM
Ironic isn't it, Texans traded places with Ravens who selected Flacco now one of the top QB's in the NFL :kubepalm:I do not think so. signed Duane Brown. lol

dream_team
02-06-2013, 03:30 PM
Rick hasn't really ever hit on a big time player in the later rds. Say like a Stevie Johnson/Antonio Brown/Alex Boone type of player. So trading up seems logical to me.

Arian Foster doesn't count? How about GQ? OD (not sure if he was before Smith)? Mike Brisiel?

76Texan
02-06-2013, 06:41 PM
I really like Bray, but this may be the yr that the Texans fill a bunch of holes and look for another QB next yr. In fact I believe that's the way to go, starting with WR2.

There was a poll on one of the Vols site.
42% think that Bray is a backup NfL QB
32% think that he's not NFL material.

Talent, yes.
Brain, no.

76Texan
02-06-2013, 06:54 PM
I've been watching some Bama games, mainly to look at the RT Fluker.
He mostly dominated LSU the last two years.

During Senior Bowl practice, he looked a little weak in pass pro.
It showed here and there in some games, too.
But overall, I would be comfortable if the Texans draft him (I haven't watched much of the other OTs yet, however).

The TE 89 Michael Williams is a big guy.
He looks really really good in blocking but they didn't use him much in the passing game.
A 6th round pick looks like a steal; probably needs to spend a 5th for him.
I like him a whole lot more than Anthony Hill, that's for sure.
He can get pretty low to; I wonder if we can also use him at FB.
He weighs somewhere in the 260s and does have a pretty mean streak.

McCarron looks like a future NFL QB.
If he continues to develop, I think he will become a very good QB.
If the Texans draft him next year, we will also have the benefit of watching Miss Alabama at the games; man, is she hot!
That one worths the pick, LOL.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-06-2013, 07:17 PM
Hopefully Gary/Wade/Rick do a better job than they have in past yrs and can find some sleepers in the later rds. Like McCain for example.

If you think they can only find good players in rds 1-3 then they should trade up using picks in rds 4/5/7 to move up into rd 3.

This way the Texans would have picks in rd 1/2/ three in rd 3/rd 5 comp pick and rd 6. I'm a quality over quantity guy, Trading the picks to move up and select players that have a higher % of success.

Rick/Gary/Wade thought just the opposite last yr and instead of trading up for a WR like Hill they traded down and took Posey. Differing philosophies not saying which one is right, but Rick hasn't really ever hit on a big time player in the later rds. Say like a Stevie Johnson/Antonio Brown/Alex Boone type of player. So trading up seems logical to me.

Plus they have alot of picks so most of the later rd picks should have a slim chance of making the team.
This is draft and of course a player with seems to posses higher talents will be drafted in the early rds. Seems to me, the Texans find players drafted 1~3rd has been a core of our team(excluding FA) and they tend to stick around with team longer. Of course, there are some players were drafted in later rds or UDFA and has been successful with us but % of success wise I think 1~3rd picks are very important. Of course, this may varies by quantity of quality talents available in respective draft year but in general, early rounds pays off if you draft right.

The Texans are playoff team and there aren't many holes in comparison with non contender team or The Texans of several years ago. So yeah, I agree with you about quality over quantity especially at this stage of team like the Texans really need quality players to fill the holes. So I am hoping we draft the right ones in early rounds.

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 07:25 PM
There was a poll on one of the Vols site.
42% think that Bray is a backup NfL QB
32% think that he's not NFL material.

Talent, yes.
Brain, no.

And with the right coaching I disagree with the Tinbreds.

A big part of the problem was Dooley. IMHO

Wolf6151
02-06-2013, 07:35 PM
And with the right coaching I disagree with the Tinbreds.

A big part of the problem was Dooley. IMHO

I agree and think Bray has the skill but lacks the maturity. On a pro team surrounded by older players/mentors and coaches that won't kiss his ass I think Bray could be the best QB in this class. I think he'll be forced to grow up quick and has all the physical skills.

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 08:10 PM
I agree and think Bray has the skill but lacks the maturity. On a pro team surrounded by older players/mentors and coaches that won't kiss his ass I think Bray could be the best QB in this class. I think he'll be forced to grow up quick and has all the physical skills.

Enviornment is very important. Dooley provided a terrible enviornment. Bray would do well on a very structured team like the Texans with Kubiak helping correct his flaws. IMHO

Some people look at these college 21 yr olds as finished products. LOL

76Texan
02-06-2013, 09:26 PM
I agree and think Bray has the skill but lacks the maturity. On a pro team surrounded by older players/mentors and coaches that won't kiss his ass I think Bray could be the best QB in this class. I think he'll be forced to grow up quick and has all the physical skills.

I'm talking about his decisions on the field; too many WTF moments.

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 09:33 PM
I'm talking about his decisions on the field; too many WTF moments.

Show me some of these moments,

34 TD's 12 ints 3600 yds

Cant be too many of those moments. There are also bound to be many more good moments. I'm not saying Bray is perfect, but he's got as many if not more tools to work with as any QB in this draft.

After the combine I could see him moving into the bottom of the 1st rd. Taken by a team that trades back into the 1st rd like Arz or KC.

76Texan
02-06-2013, 10:31 PM
Show me some of these moments,

34 TD's 12 ints 3600 yds

Cant be too many of those moments. There are also bound to be many more good moments. I'm not saying Bray is perfect, but he's got as many if not more tools to work with as any QB in this draft.

After the combine I could see him moving into the bottom of the 1st rd. Taken by a team that trades back into the 1st rd like Arz or KC.

First off, we need to subtract out the weaklings a QB faces.
I always do. Before this year, all the competitions that Bray saw were weaklings. He managed to miss the other games somehow.

I have to go back to watch some cut ups because I didn't write down any notes; what I know for sure is that Bray often chucked and ducked like Gabbert; which tells me that his pre-snap reads are not good or his reaction to the pass rush is slow or etc.

steelbtexan
02-06-2013, 11:16 PM
First off, we need to subtract out the weaklings a QB faces.
I always do. Before this year, all the competitions that Bray saw were weaklings. He managed to miss the other games somehow.

I have to go back to watch some cut ups because I didn't write down any notes; what I know for sure is that Bray often chucked and ducked like Gabbert; which tells me that his pre-snap reads are not good or his reaction to the pass rush is slow or etc.

Looking forward to your analsyst.

No way did Bray miss all of the big boys in 3 SEC yrs. I know he missed time one yr with a broken hand.

He had his team in most games in the 4th qtr against SEC defenses this yr. He did throw a pick and fumble in the 4th qtr against GA. But his team shouldn't have even been on the field talent wise with Ga. He played well against Fla. OK against Bama.

Remember his teams were always less talented and underdogs/out coached in those big games you're talking about. But they were in most of them late in the game. The 12 ints tell me he's not as bad at pre-snap reads as you might think.

76Texan
02-06-2013, 11:40 PM
Looking forward to your analsyst.

No way did Bray miss all of the big boys in 3 SEC yrs. I know he missed time one yr with a broken hand.

He had his team in most games in the 4th qtr against SEC defenses this yr. He did throw a pick and fumble in the 4th qtr against GA. But his team shouldn't have even been on the field talent wise with Ga. He played well against Fla. OK against Bama.

Remember his teams were always less talented and underdogs/out coached in those big games you're talking about. But they were in most of them late in the game. The 12 ints tell me he's not as bad at pre-snap reads as you might think.

He sure did. He missed a lot of the big boys in the SEC in the previous two years. When he did play, he had a bad game.

As far as bad moments this year, I just went back and skimmed the Georgia game. He threw 3 Ints, but that's not all. He could have thrown 2 or 3 more that the defenders just missed or dropped. He also fumbled the ball at a critical moment, too.
The reasons they were still in the game was due to an INT return for a TD by the D, 197 net yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

He has talents across the board.
All 3 of his receivers - two may go in the first round) are draftable; his TE is draftable; and one his O-linemen is draftable.
The other 4 linemen will be draftable next year; even his RB is getting a draftable grade (and he was a 4-star recruit out of high school - grade given by both Scout Inc. and Rivals.)
Every starter on that offense is draftable.

The previous two years, he even had D. Rogers on the roster.

76Texan
02-07-2013, 12:30 AM
And that wasn't all his poor plays against Georgia.
He failed to convert on four or five third down situations when he simply made poor or inacurate throws (with time on hand) or didn't see the open receiver; and he simply gave up on another one by throwing the ball into the ground when there's an open receiver right in front of him.

His peripheral vision is so poor; he wouldn't have survived if not for all the talents surrounding him. It's hard to describe but the guy just doesn't have it between his ears.

Wolf6151
02-07-2013, 01:04 AM
Enviornment is very important. Dooley provided a terrible enviornment. Bray would do well on a very structured team like the Texans with Kubiak helping correct his flaws. IMHO

Some people look at these college 21 yr olds as finished products. LOL


Exactly, you can't draft a college QB thinking he's a finished product, you have to draft him based on what he is now combined with what you think he will become in the future. As college QB at Tenn. Bray is BMOC and we all know colleges kiss these guys ass and help them along in everyway possible acedemically and with off the field issues. Once he gets into the NFL he'll have no alternative but to mature and I think with a structured team like the Texans with strong veteran leadership (AJ, JJo, Antonio Smith, Myers, Duane Brown, etc...) focused youngsters (Watt, Cushing, KJ, Quin, Foster, etc...) as well as a no BS owner, coaching staff, and GM, Bray would mature quickly and get his **** straight. As for on the field WTF moments, you try to limit them but even elite level pros screw up, didn't Favre lead the league in interceptions. God knows Schaub has plenty of WTF moments every year. As long as your not taking him in the 1st round and expecting him to start right away or investing a high 1st round salary in him, he's worth taking a risk. Hell they're all risky players.

I guess his Combine testing and interviews will be very important. I still think he has potential to go in the 1st round.

76Texan
02-08-2013, 03:14 PM
Let me preface this by saying ive only seen Nassib play in 4 games. I agree his footwork is not great and it causes a large portion of his bad throws. I think he is a better athlete than you seem to give him credit for, but yes he nowhere near RG3 (most aren’t) Luck, or Wilson. Athletically I would compare him to Cutler. Everything I have read about him says he is a hardworking kid who is very smart which makes me believe his footwork, and decision making can improve under Kubiak. I in no way believe he can supplant Schaub soon; just that he is the kind of guy that will be able to cash in on his physical ability. Thanks for responding though, you can’t believe everything you read on the web and I appreciate your input.

Coon, another thing I noticed now that I watched a few more games, Nassib just doesn't have good enough arm strength to be successful at the next level.

If you think Schaub has noodle arm, well, say hello to Nassib.
I will try to have the breakdown in the future (don't know when yet).

coon
02-08-2013, 04:30 PM
I've been watching some Bama games, mainly to look at the RT Fluker.
He mostly dominated LSU the last two years.

During Senior Bowl practice, he looked a little weak in pass pro.
It showed here and there in some games, too.
But overall, I would be comfortable if the Texans draft him (I haven't watched much of the other OTs yet, however).

The TE 89 Michael Williams is a big guy.
He looks really really good in blocking but they didn't use him much in the passing game.
A 6th round pick looks like a steal; probably needs to spend a 5th for him.
I like him a whole lot more than Anthony Hill, that's for sure.
He can get pretty low to; I wonder if we can also use him at FB.
He weighs somewhere in the 260s and does have a pretty mean streak.

McCarron looks like a future NFL QB.
If he continues to develop, I think he will become a very good QB.
If the Texans draft him next year, we will also have the benefit of watching Miss Alabama at the games; man, is she hot!
That one worths the pick, LOL.

Coon, another thing I noticed now that I watched a few more games, Nassib just doesn't have good enough arm strength to be successful at the next level.

If you think Schaub has noodle arm, well, say hello to Nassib.
I will try to have the breakdown in the future (don't know when yet).

I soured on Nassib weeks ago, the more I watch of all of these Qb's the less I like them. I have gone on record in one of my mocks that we shouldn't take a Qb this year, and pray McCarron falls to us in the first next year. I think he is going to be special.

thunderkyss
02-08-2013, 06:11 PM
How does next year's QB class look compared to these guys? Would it make sense for a team, like KC with Brady Quin, or Arizona with Kolb, to wait & decide on a QB next season?

coon
02-08-2013, 07:30 PM
How does next year's QB class look compared to these guys? Would it make sense for a team, like KC with Brady Quin, or Arizona with Kolb, to wait & decide on a QB next season?

Next years class is much better than this years class. I think there are two maybe 3 franchise Qb's. Teddy Bridgewater, and A.J. McCarron are the one's I really like, but if Marcus Marriota from Oregon and Johnny Manziel go in the draft then there could potentially be 4 first round Qb's next year.

thunderkyss
02-08-2013, 07:49 PM
Next years class is much better than this years class. I think there are two maybe 3 franchise Qb's. Teddy Bridgewater, and A.J. McCarron are the one's I really like, but if Marcus Marriota from Oregon and Johnny Manziel go in the draft then there could potentially be 4 first round Qb's next year.

So if you're Kansas City, how do you manage this so that you're in position to get one of the 3?

Tank?

Rey
02-08-2013, 09:02 PM
If the texans taken qb i really hope it's dysert. I don't know if he's a franchise guy, but i think he could be an upgrade over yates and possibly make a good starter. Kubiak would have to tame him a little though. But dysert is my favorite qb that I've seen of the realistic possibilities.

Playoffs
02-12-2013, 04:57 PM
Matt Waldman doing what he does...

Tulane QB Ryan Griffin and The Disconnect Between Evaluating and Drafting Talent (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/02/04/tulane-qb-ryan-griffin-and-the-disconnect-between-evaluating-and-drafting-talent/)

The flavor of Texas versus Nation week may well have been 6-4, 216-pound Tulane quarterback Ryan Griffin. NFL Draft analyst Dane Brugler was among several who believe Griffin’s stock is on the rise to the point that he should hear his name called in April. Compared to the Geno Smiths, Matt Barkleys, Mike Glennons, and Tyler Wilsons of this prospect class, the changing perception of Griffin’s draft grade seems like an afterthought. The fact that Griffin served as the front man for a 2-10 squad doesn’t help...

... a nicely done, very in depth piece on drafting and Griffin.

Goldensilence
02-12-2013, 06:05 PM
Ironic isn't it, Texans traded places with Ravens who selected Flacco now one of the top QB's in the NFL :kubepalm:

I think that's a bit overboard. He's been so up and down over his career and he did get hot in the playoffs this year. I still wouldn't take him over Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers or even Big Ben.

Dude's going to get paid this year for his hot hand, but I'm still not sold on him being elite.

Though like someone else already pointed out having a top LT in the game isn't so bad either.

I'd still love to steal a guy like Bray in the second.

SteveSlaton20
02-12-2013, 07:15 PM
There are about 4 guys in the 2014 draft that I'd take over anyone in the 2013 class.

Aaron Murray, Tajh Boyd, AJ McCarron, and Logan Thomas.


There's no way we're drafting a franchise QB this year, but maybe depending how well or bad Schaub plays next season, maybe we will. If we draft a QB this year, he's going to be behind TJ Yates if anything.

NCTexan
02-12-2013, 09:56 PM
There are about 4 guys in the 2014 draft that I'd take over anyone in the 2013 class.

Aaron Murray, Tajh Boyd, AJ McCarron, and Logan Thomas.


There's no way we're drafting a franchise QB this year, but maybe depending how well or bad Schaub plays next season, maybe we will. If we draft a QB this year, he's going to be behind TJ Yates if anything.

You mean Bridgewater over Thomas right? Thomas was atrocious this year and I don't expect much more from him next year.

CretorFrigg
02-12-2013, 09:59 PM
I agree and think Bray has the skill but lacks the maturity. On a pro team surrounded by older players/mentors and coaches that won't kiss his ass I think Bray could be the best QB in this class. I think he'll be forced to grow up quick and has all the physical skills.

I don't watch much college football, so I'm not up to date with this kind of information, but what did Bray do to lead everybody to say he's immature?

steelbtexan
02-12-2013, 10:10 PM
I don't watch much college football, so I'm not up to date with this kind of information, but what did Bray do to lead everybody to say he's immature?

He was underaged, he and his roommate threw beer bottles at a girls car. When Jones ws hired Bray showed up to meet the new HC with a chaw of tobacco.

Dooley was the main problem with what was wrong with the Vols program. He was in over his head.

steelbtexan
02-12-2013, 10:15 PM
There are about 4 guys in the 2014 draft that I'd take over anyone in the 2013 class.

Aaron Murray, Tajh Boyd, AJ McCarron, and Logan Thomas.


There's no way we're drafting a franchise QB this year, but maybe depending how well or bad Schaub plays next season, maybe we will. If we draft a QB this year, he's going to be behind TJ Yates if anything.

The only QB that I would definitely take over Bray is Bridgewater and maybe McCarron. McCarron looked great playing behind one of the greatest OL's in college football history. I still like MCCarrons moxie though.

Bray was better than Murray and Boyd.

Lurvinator11
02-13-2013, 01:36 AM
I'm going to try and keep my eye on Bridgewater this year. He looked really good in the Sugar Bowl, and if he is somewhat off this upcoming season, he could fall to us in the 2014 draft. I like what I saw out of him, and think he could fit really well into our system.

2 problems though. 1. He has hype from this game, and could already be on top of some teams lists, and 2. It was just one game. I assume he had to be good to get that team to the Sugar Bowl, but there has to be something he lacks in.

Keepin an eye out. Hopefully, he goes under the radar, because I would spend a 1st rounder on him

mussop
02-13-2013, 05:58 AM
I'm going to try and keep my eye on Bridgewater this year. He looked really good in the Sugar Bowl, and if he is somewhat off this upcoming season, he could fall to us in the 2014 draft. I like what I saw out of him, and think he could fit really well into our system.

2 problems though. 1. He has hype from this game, and could already be on top of some teams lists, and 2. It was just one game. I assume he had to be good to get that team to the Sugar Bowl, but there has to be something he lacks in.

Keepin an eye out. Hopefully, he goes under the radar, because I would spend a 1st rounder on him

Trust me bridgewater isn't falling under the radar next year.

beerlover
02-13-2013, 09:20 AM
Trust me bridgewater isn't falling under the radar next year.

water under the bridge

76Texan
02-13-2013, 11:27 AM
How does next year's QB class look compared to these guys? Would it make sense for a team, like KC with Brady Quin, or Arizona with Kolb, to wait & decide on a QB next season?

I like a lot of things about A J McCarron, except that I have yet to see him complete a pass further than 40 yards from the LOS (and I have checked out all of those completions.)

On several of these "not-so-deep" balls, the receivers had to come back for it or wait for it.

I'd like to see an improvement in that area next year.

No matter what, it's still remarkable that he suffered only 3 INTs.
One bounced off the receivers' hands; one was a rub play where a receiver was supposed to pick off a defender - but failed - McCarron was throwing to a spot on this quick timing pattern it's prett much like a blind throw.

The third one was on a fade route near the end zone where he expected the receiver to stop, but the receiver had a different idea (going for a fade forward instead of a back-shoulder fade.)
I put this one on him still, as the CB was playing inside position and the pass was not thrown far enough toward the side line.

I have not watched enough of the other QBs, maybe Boyd (as I was looking at his two receivers.) He has some potential, but I don't see first round at the moment.

I haven't seen much of Bridgewater but from the little I saw, I was not impressed.

I did watched quite a bit of Murray in his sophomore year, but not last year.
The guy also has some potential, looking quite poise against strong SEC competition.

76Texan
02-13-2013, 11:34 AM
The only QB that I would definitely take over Bray is Bridgewater and maybe McCarron. McCarron looked great playing behind one of the greatest OL's in college football history. I still like MCCarrons moxie though.

Bray was better than Murray and Boyd.

Steelb, I think that Bama line was slightly overrated in pass pro, just like the Texans line was.

The Tides don't go deep all that much, so their load was not quite heavy with McCaron getting the ball out fairly quickly. Also, for some reason, McCarron seems to want to get out of the pocket a little early (more often than I'd like for my QB to.)

CretorFrigg
02-16-2013, 11:41 PM
Anybody think it's possible for Barkley to drop to us at 27? He'd be a great pick-up if he did.

beerlover
02-17-2013, 05:56 PM
Nah. Texans have a proclivity to overpay QB position. Probably move up into the top 10 just like Atlanta did for Julio Jones?

Playoffs
02-19-2013, 11:27 AM
Greg Cosell podcast preliminarily covers QBs: (http://a1.podbean.com/329295/GregCosellprecombine21913.mp3?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ LA6NPUL6BLALQ2A&Expires=1361303535&Signature=ZOReQ8o%2FNYaI5wAxO3G2aO%2FnIU0%3D)

Geno Smith no question he has NFL arm, bounces on drops(negative)
Matt Barkley weak arm, poor velocity, does not drive ball on deep throws, poor feet ... significant question as to whether he has the physical attributes to be a quality NFL QB

...covers Glennon, Nassib, Manuel in first 20-30 minutes of this link (http://a1.podbean.com/329295/GregCosellprecombine21913.mp3?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ LA6NPUL6BLALQ2A&Expires=1361303535&Signature=ZOReQ8o%2FNYaI5wAxO3G2aO%2FnIU0%3D).

thunderkyss
02-19-2013, 12:01 PM
Matt Barkley weak arm, poor velocity, does not drive ball on deep throws, poor feet ... significant question as to whether he has the physical attributes to be a quality NFL QB


I heard yesterday that Barkley wasn't going to throw at the combine, because his arm wouldn't be ready in time. As if he had an issue that hadn't healed yet.

Know anything about that?

76Texan
02-19-2013, 02:17 PM
I was guessing where Leebig got his conclusion from; I guessed right. :)

But we ought to remember that Cosell said that it's early in the process.
I think he said he only watch 2 or 3 games on each of these QBs at the time of the podcast.

He had to spend time on some 500 players (maybe at least 200) in a short amount of time.

I try not to be so ambitious.

Also, it seems to me like Cosell is favoring the Madden's approach a little more over Bill Walsh's.

Yet, Cosell still had to admit that he was "wrong" on Kaepernick.
My records on QBs in the last few years are still "very good".

I have yet to make a wrong call.

It will be tough luck for me if Barkley doesn't recover fully from his shoulder injury.

The guys who definitely have stronger arms in this class are Glennon, Geno, and Manuel.

Dysert might, too; but it's pretty close.

The thing about Barkley is that he may not be able to improve on his arm strength much more because his footwork and throwing mechanic is already near top form while the other guys should be able to improve in these areas to make their range even better.

But Barkley already shows better arm strength than Schaub.

Now, I've never consider Barkley as an elite QB in college.
In fact, I was against all the hypes he got as an USC recruit; I don't have a bias for Barkley.
At the same time, I don't care about the failure of other USC QBs in the pros either. They have nothing to do with one another as far as individual talent and QB prowess is concerned.

To me, Barkley shows an overall game that lend itself to a solid NFL QB.
I "kinda" disliked him as a Freshman at USC, but it looks to me like he's been working on it, I think his arrow is pointing up.

Now to EJ Manuel.
This guys has improved a great deal from his Jr. year.
It makes you wonder though, where was his head?
This might be a classic case when a guy discovers how to use brainpower instead of pure athleticism.

On this one, I agree with Leebig.
This guy can be a dark horse.
Can somebody teaches this young man to further develop his mind?

This guy really impressed me from one year to the next.
His decision making... How he handles himself in the pocket.
I like his potential better than Dysert.

Dutchrudder
02-19-2013, 02:29 PM
Greg Cosell podcast preliminarily covers QBs: (http://a1.podbean.com/329295/GregCosellprecombine21913.mp3?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ LA6NPUL6BLALQ2A&Expires=1361303535&Signature=ZOReQ8o%2FNYaI5wAxO3G2aO%2FnIU0%3D)

Geno Smith no question he has NFL arm, bounces on drops(negative)
Matt Barkley weak arm, poor velocity, does not drive ball on deep throws, poor feet ... significant question as to whether he has the physical attributes to be a quality NFL QB

...covers Glennon, Nassib, Manuel in first 20-30 minutes of this link (http://a1.podbean.com/329295/GregCosellprecombine21913.mp3?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ LA6NPUL6BLALQ2A&Expires=1361303535&Signature=ZOReQ8o%2FNYaI5wAxO3G2aO%2FnIU0%3D).

Your links are dead.

As for Barkley, watch his 2011 tape instead of 2012. He looked like a completely different player to me. He arguably had better WR talent to throw to in 2012, yet he regressed as a passer. I think the change of the offensive scheme killed his draft-ability in 2012. He doesn't look at all like the same player, and it seemed like 80-90% of his passes were 5 yards or less. I don't think that was on him, but rather on the playcalling. I think Barkley is a diamond in the rough this year, because what he showed in 2011 was much much much better than anything he did in 2012. Taking him mid-2nd or later would be a steal IMO.

Mari-OWNED!
02-24-2013, 03:58 PM
If for some reason Geno Smith is available at #27, would his value be high enough for the Texans to draft him over a need position like WR, ILB, or NT?

While I can say that I wouldn't be too thrilled if that were the case, I honestly don't think I could blame the front office either for a bold move like that.

What do you guys think?

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 04:02 PM
Your links are dead.

Sorry, how's this?

http://media22.podbean.com/pb/cae27e9377ecc48362bb098988e1f333/512a8d48/data/blogs25/329295/uploads/GregCosellprecombine21913.mp3

or linked in here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/shutdown-corner-combine-preview-podcast-greg-cosell-201551900--nfl.html

b0ng
02-24-2013, 06:10 PM
If for some reason Geno Smith is available at #27, would his value be high enough for the Texans to draft him over a need position like WR, ILB, or NT?

While I can say that I wouldn't be too thrilled if that were the case, I honestly don't think I could blame the front office either for a bold move like that.

What do you guys think?

Some team would probably be willing to give up a nice pick next year to move back into the first in order to draft him in such a late slide. I think he has a decent chance at being a good nfl QB but there are more interesting players in 2014 and 2015.

thunderkyss
02-24-2013, 07:41 PM
Some team would probably be willing to give up a nice pick next year to move back into the first in order to draft him in such a late slide. I think he has a decent chance at being a good nfl QB but there are more interesting players in 2014 and 2015.

I also don't believe what they are saying. A QB is going to go in the top 10 & I bet two others go before the 20th pick. This is a QB driven league & there aren't enough franchise QBs to go around.

I would be surprised if the Texans draft a QB before the third round. But if they do, that would confirm that his Lisfranc affected him more than they are saying.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 10:14 PM
If for some reason Geno Smith is available at #27, would his value be high enough for the Texans to draft him over a need position like WR, ILB, or NT?

While I can say that I wouldn't be too thrilled if that were the case, I honestly don't think I could blame the front office either for a bold move like that.

What do you guys think?

Talent wise, I think he's there.
I've read that his QB coach said he can do it from under center, although I don't think I've seen it from the games I watched.
I like to see how he does certain thing from there to be sure.

With Cam Newton, for example, I was able to see 21 snaps with him under center, and his footwork, his read, his hand-off to the back, his drop, his deep throws, they all look fine (even better than some of the QBs who played in a pro offense or WCO). So, I didn't hesitate one bit when I stated that I can see him as the number one player to be drafted that year (not just the first QB to be drafted.)

Assuming what his QB coach said is true, I don't have any problem with Geno Smith in the talent department. (By the same token, I don't see Smith last to our spot.)

But I don't expect the Texans to draft a QB early; I doubt they draft a QB at all, unless like TK said, they know that something is wrong with Schaub.

Doppelganger
02-25-2013, 12:18 PM
I would like to take the opportunity to speak positively for my favorite QB prospect in this draft: Matt Scott. At 6'2, 212lbs he ran the 3rd best 40 time for a QB and set the best-ever mark for the 20-yard shuttle run by a QB (3.99). He has excellent agility and athleticism. He has good arm strength. The ball came out in a nice tight spiral with plenty of zip on short and intermediate throws. He was very accurate on short and intermediate throws. His deeper throws were not as accurate but had plenty of power. I suspect a lot of that is due to his very inconsistent foot work. Once that problem is cleaned up, he could be accurate on longer throws as well.

The next iteration of the ZBS could be an option read. Matt Scott would be an excellent choice to QB such an offense. His precombine performances reminded me of a young Jake the Snake and his combine performance cemented it for me. I would take him in the 3rd round.

76Texan
02-25-2013, 12:35 PM
I would like to take the opportunity to speak positively for my favorite QB prospect in this draft: Matt Scott. At 6'2, 212lbs he ran the 3rd best 40 time for a QB and set the best-ever mark for the 20-yard shuttle run by a QB (3.99). He has excellent agility and athleticism. He has good arm strength. The ball came out in a nice tight spiral with plenty of zip on short and intermediate throws. He was very accurate on short and intermediate throws. His deeper throws were not as accurate but had plenty of power. I suspect a lot of that is due to his very inconsistent foot work. Once that problem is cleaned up, he could be accurate on longer throws as well.

The next iteration of the ZBS could be an option read. Matt Scott would be an excellent choice to QB such an offense. His precombine performances reminded me of a young Jake the Snake and his combine performance cemented it for me. I would take him in the 3rd round.Scott is a guy I've been putting on the back burner, just because I don't think the Texans will draft a QB in the first 3 rounds. But yeah, I've been hearing good things about him.

Doppelganger
02-26-2013, 09:37 AM
Scott is a guy I've been putting on the back burner, just because I don't think the Texans will draft a QB in the first 3 rounds. But yeah, I've been hearing good things about him.

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. I really don't think Schaub is a longterm answer. His mobility, which was not great before the injury, was next to nothing after the injury. He claims he did not have an injury down the stretch and if true suggests his arm was weakening or he was getting some dead arm. Not the QB to go forward with, but Smith gave him the big $ contract. I also don't think Yates or Keenum is the guy. The Yates I saw in the preseason and in the later part of the reg season appeared to regress from his rookie year. Yes, he was able to scramble, but accuracy was off and decision making wasn't there.

I think Scott has the potential to be an above average QB in this league. The combination of arm and ability to run would be an intriguing option. I am not suggesting he should run it like Kapernick(sp), but in an option offense which utilizes boots(like the Texans) he could be particularly effective.

steelbtexan
02-26-2013, 11:49 AM
Tyler Bray

Playoffs
02-26-2013, 12:02 PM
Sean Renfree
Anybody like this guy?

76Texan
02-26-2013, 03:59 PM
Tyler Bray

Bray is doing better at the combine I heard; good for him.

leebigeztx
02-26-2013, 10:28 PM
I was guessing where Leebig got his conclusion from; I guessed right. :)

But we ought to remember that Cosell said that it's early in the process.
I think he said he only watch 2 or 3 games on each of these QBs at the time of the podcast.

He had to spend time on some 500 players (maybe at least 200) in a short amount of time.

I try not to be so ambitious.

Also, it seems to me like Cosell is favoring the Madden's approach a little more over Bill Walsh's.

Yet, Cosell still had to admit that he was "wrong" on Kaepernick.
My records on QBs in the last few years are still "very good".

I have yet to make a wrong call.

It will be tough luck for me if Barkley doesn't recover fully from his shoulder injury.

The guys who definitely have stronger arms in this class are Glennon, Geno, and Manuel.

Dysert might, too; but it's pretty close.

The thing about Barkley is that he may not be able to improve on his arm strength much more because his footwork and throwing mechanic is already near top form while the other guys should be able to improve in these areas to make their range even better.

But Barkley already shows better arm strength than Schaub.

Now, I've never consider Barkley as an elite QB in college.
In fact, I was against all the hypes he got as an USC recruit; I don't have a bias for Barkley.
At the same time, I don't care about the failure of other USC QBs in the pros either. They have nothing to do with one another as far as individual talent and QB prowess is concerned.

To me, Barkley shows an overall game that lend itself to a solid NFL QB.
I "kinda" disliked him as a Freshman at USC, but it looks to me like he's been working on it, I think his arrow is pointing up.

Now to EJ Manuel.
This guys has improved a great deal from his Jr. year.
It makes you wonder though, where was his head?
This might be a classic case when a guy discovers how to use brainpower instead of pure athleticism.

On this one, I agree with Leebig.
This guy can be a dark horse.
Can somebody teaches this young man to further develop his mind?

This guy really impressed me from one year to the next.
His decision making... How he handles himself in the pocket.
I like his potential better than Dysert.

I'm not gonna say i told ya so, but you're not the only guy who watches tape. Just as i stated the faults of schaub way before anyone wanted to admit them, barkley is in that same mold. When there is pressure inside, he cant reset his feet off a slide and deliver the ball down the field. Now, people want to use brady as an exapmle, but before the knee injury, brady was pretty moblie. He never had a cannon, but he didnt have to wind up to deliver. If you go back and look at brady post injury, he had all kinds of problems getting the ball outside to moss. Even right now, 80% of his passes are inside the numbers. Barkley is like this and its hard to be successful with a guy like that. In the playoffs, you will have people at your feet and once you anchor, sometimes you have to reset and go to other options. Thats something barkley cant do because he has slow feet. I mean, Vick has slow feet as crazy as it may sound, but he has one of the best arms in the nfl.

obrien52289
02-27-2013, 11:06 AM
MATT SCOTT Arizona everything the Texans need..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KbtqEoTvKk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

76Texan
02-27-2013, 03:36 PM
I'm not gonna say i told ya so, but you're not the only guy who watches tape. Just as i stated the faults of schaub way before anyone wanted to admit them, barkley is in that same mold. When there is pressure inside, he cant reset his feet off a slide and deliver the ball down the field. Now, people want to use brady as an exapmle, but before the knee injury, brady was pretty moblie. He never had a cannon, but he didnt have to wind up to deliver. If you go back and look at brady post injury, he had all kinds of problems getting the ball outside to moss. Even right now, 80% of his passes are inside the numbers. Barkley is like this and its hard to be successful with a guy like that. In the playoffs, you will have people at your feet and once you anchor, sometimes you have to reset and go to other options. Thats something barkley cant do because he has slow feet. I mean, Vick has slow feet as crazy as it may sound, but he has one of the best arms in the nfl.
I typed out a long response to you, but it got lost.

I'll just make it brief this time.
I think Barkley's floor is a very good back up; more likely he will be an NFL starter, ie. I think he will earn his second contract as a starter.

Now, our "friend" Cosell calls him a 4th rounder, which I read as "at best a backup".

What's your range?

On Schaub, neither one of us was mistaken.
I was never high on Schaub; never thought of him as a guy who can carry a team.
I have no idea what you mean about "I told you so" regarding to Schaub.

leebigeztx
02-28-2013, 12:34 AM
76Texan, I ve had barkley in 3rd rd forever. Even last yr when people said he should've come out he was a 3rd rd prospect. He doesn't have any special traits. If you want a statue, at least get one with a arm like Bray who is a better athlete and can challenge every blade of grass.

76Texan
02-28-2013, 02:14 PM
76Texan, I ve had barkley in 3rd rd forever. Even last yr when people said he should've come out he was a 3rd rd prospect. He doesn't have any special traits. If you want a statue, at least get one with a arm like Bray who is a better athlete and can challenge every blade of grass.

Fair enough! We'll see what happens down the road.

As far as QB evaluation, I don't know if we can count on one or two special traits.

I remember Greg Cosell gushing over Jamarcus Russell about "the big arm", "intuition", "can make every throw"... "From any platform".

Well, I disagreed with Cosell on 2 and 4.
Cosell thought very highly of Jamarcus, when I thought Russell was way-overhyped (even by some QB coaches, scouts, and GMs; even Al Davis.)

Or I strongly disagreed with Cosell's comparison of Russell Wilson to Seneca Wallace. (Cosell eventually changed his tune on Wilson, starting after the PS games.

So like I said, I like Cosell, but I didn't agree with him here and there.
I think he was quite high on VY, too???

Obviously, nobody is going to hit on every prospect that they study/scout.

I try not to overwhelm myself, and perhaps because of that, I've been quite consistent (never too far off my evaluation.)

I think I will continue my post later on for fear of losing this one for any reason (Internet connection for example.)

It's always good to talk football with you.

76Texan
02-28-2013, 02:31 PM
Let's backtrack to 2006.
I like VY as a college QB; he has great athleticism; I had concern about him being able to develop his passing game in the pro; I had concern about him running too much when he shouldn't, he may injures himself; or worse, he may rely on his feet too much to become a competent passer.
I like Reggie Bush; he's tremendous in space. I had concern about him being able to run between the tackles to be a great 3-down back.

I had separate discussion/bet with posters on the old TT board, but it was all tied together with Mario Williams.

My thinking is that Mario will have a better career overall than VY and Bush.

To a degree, they were all injured at some point(s) in their career; Mario's injuries has been more of a freakish nature, while VY's and Bush's have been more of a natural nature of the kind of players they are.

And yet (at least so far) Mario is still way ahead of the other two.

I think my evaluation here isn't too shabby.

thunderkyss
02-28-2013, 02:49 PM
I remember Greg Cosell gushing over Jamarcus Russell about "the big arm", "intuition", "can make every throw"... "From any platform".

Well, I disagreed with Cosell on 2 and 4.
Cosell thought very highly of Jamarcus, when I thought Russell was way-overhyped (even by some QB coaches, scouts, and GMs; even Al Davis.)

So like I said, I like Cosell, but I didn't agree with him here and there.
I think he was quite high on VY, too???


Jamarcus & VY are brain damaged. That's something Cosell had no way of knowing. You've got to sit down with a player & find out where their head is. They either love football, or they love what football can provide for them. You've got to figure out if they love it enough to do what it takes for a long time. The answer with VY & Jamarcus was no.... had nothing to do with their ability.

76Texan
02-28-2013, 02:49 PM
Regarding Schaub, again, it originated on the old TT board, TexanMike mentioned him first. I looked into it and I agreed that we should make a trade. My original price was a third round pick!

Obviously, I wasn't all that "thrilled" with Schaub.
Sure, I understood that we have to pay more for a previous third round pick that had shown "something" after a couple years on the bench.

Sure, eventually, we learned that the Falcons put a "first and third" designation on Schaub; it doesn't mean that I was happy with the swap in the first round and the two seconds we exchanged, on top of the contract that I thought was more than a bit high, especially considering the guaranteed money.

You can see that I thought we overpaid for Schaub.

And I've never been a Schaub's hater!
All I'm interested in is to build a team to compete, then go to the play-offs, then to contend to go deep as many times as you can.

76Texan
02-28-2013, 02:55 PM
Jamarcus & VY are brain damaged. That's something Cosell had no way of knowing. You've got to sit down with a player & find out where their head is. They either love football, or they love what football can provide for them. You've got to figure out if they love it enough to do what it takes for a long time. The answer with VY & Jamarcus was no.... had nothing to do with their ability.

This might be where some of us differ; and I am not talking about anybody in specific at all.

For a QB, my first criteria is the brain.
The brain helps the QB to run the other 10 players (and the substitutes), and to realize when they can let the D take over, and when the O needs to be the force, etc.

thunderkyss
02-28-2013, 03:09 PM
This might be where some of us differ; and I am not talking about anybody in specific at all.

For a QB, my first criteria is the brain.
The brain helps the QB to run the other 10 players (and the substitutes), and to realize when they can let the D take over, and when the O needs to be the force, etc.

It wasn't that they lacked the ability to grasp the game. They let the outside stuff mess with their football. Jamarcus got fat, Vince... let's just say he had that sausage thing going.

Playoffs
02-28-2013, 05:25 PM
It wasn't that they lacked the ability to grasp the game. They let the outside stuff mess with their football. Jamarcus got fat, Vince... let's just say he had that sausage thing going.Don't forget about the Purple Drank -- he loved him some Sizzurp.

76Texan
02-28-2013, 05:48 PM
At the end of the day, the guy I want at QB is the guy who can make the best out of the eleven guys on the field at one time.

The more consistently he can do it , the better.

I am not looking for a crazy good individual; I'm looking for a guy who can make the best out of the eleven on the field at a given time; and on top of that, a guy who can manage a changing eleven on the field so as to bring about the best outcome/results.

It works the same in most situations in real life.

thunderkyss
02-28-2013, 06:17 PM
At the end of the day, the guy I want at QB is the guy who can make the best out of the eleven guys on the field at one time.


Is there a guy in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum for this, that can be had for a 5th or later?

Is there a guy you like in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum, that is worth spending a 4th or better

Playoffs
04-04-2013, 09:58 AM
A'ight, I'm going out on a limb here and predict that teams will not revert to norm and push QBs up the list this year.

I think we may see QBs drafted more in line with value, which means 2nd round & that's bad for the Texans imo.

76Texan
04-04-2013, 03:02 PM
Is there a guy in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum for this, that can be had for a 5th or later?

Is there a guy you like in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum, that is worth spending a 4th or better

Didn't see this.

I'm too biased to answer the question anyway, :lol:

powda
04-04-2013, 05:28 PM
I desperately want a quarterback to groom behind Schaub as I see his play tailing off...agree or not thats been hashed out repeatedly. I didn't watch much college ball this year but i've been reading a LOT of scouting reports on the position...

This is a dreadful year to draft a qb in the top 4 rounds. I cant find anybody I really like. Even Geno wouldnt be a consideration for me till the early 2nd. Some schaub clones out there and that kinda defeats the purpose of drafting one for me.

I've gotta agree with playoffs on this. Teams ALWAYS reach...we'll see less this year.

beerlover
04-07-2013, 06:15 PM
I desperately want a quarterback to groom behind Schaub as I see his play tailing off...agree or not thats been hashed out repeatedly. I didn't watch much college ball this year but i've been reading a LOT of scouting reports on the position...

This is a dreadful year to draft a qb in the top 4 rounds. I cant find anybody I really like. Even Geno wouldnt be a consideration for me till the early 2nd. Some schaub clones out there and that kinda defeats the purpose of drafting one for me.

I've gotta agree with playoffs on this. Teams ALWAYS reach...we'll see less this year.

It's never too early or a BAD year to look forward.

Playoffs
04-13-2013, 04:19 PM
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2012/

YEAR: 2013
Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59
Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59
James Vandenberg, Iowa 57
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56
Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55
EJ Manuel, Florida State 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona 54
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Collin Klein, Kansas State 52
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51
Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49
Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw
Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw

YEAR: 2012
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59
Nick Foles, Arizona 57
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Case Keenum, Houston 55
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State 52
Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw
Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw
Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw

YEAR: 2011
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58
Andy Dalton, TCU 56
Cam Newton, Auburn 56
Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55
Jake Locker, Washington 54
TJ Yates, North Carolina 52
Christian Ponder, Florida St 51
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50
Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw

YEAR: 2010
Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw
Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw

YEAR: 2009
Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri 57
Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw

YEAR 2008:
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Playoffs
04-16-2013, 10:04 AM
Greg Cosell said he had a conversation with a former NFL head coach who told him Bills would be crazy not to take Ryan Nassib at 8.

Playoffs
04-19-2013, 07:57 PM
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva
Bill Polian ranked Landry Jones as draft's No. 1 QB: "I was at the game in Norman when he beat Tannehill head to head. This guy's a winner."

beerlover
04-19-2013, 09:20 PM
Bill Polian ranked Landry Jones as draft's No. 1 QB: "I was at the game in Norman when he beat Tannehill head to head. This guy's a winner."**** like that scares the hell out of me but then realize he must be on someones payroll.

Playoffs
04-20-2013, 12:22 PM
Bob McGinn: Rating the NFL draft prospects: Quarterbacks (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/the-journal-sentinels-bob-mcginn-assesses-the-top-quarterbacks-in-the-draft-next-week-included-is-each-players-height-weight-40yard-dash-time-and-projected-round-rt9i5sb-203862401.html)

The Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn assesses the top quarterbacks in the draft next week. Included is each player's height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.

QUARTERBACKS

1. GENO SMITH, West Virginia (6-2½, 217, 4.58, 1-2) - Started for three seasons...

2. MATT BARKLEY, Southern California (6-2½, 231, 4.92, 1-2) - Posted a 34-13 record...

3. E.J. MANUEL, Florida State (6-4½, 238, 4.62, 1-2) - Failed to beat out Christian Ponder...

4. RYAN NASSIB, Syracuse (6-2, 228, 4.98, 2-3) - Led the leading QBs on the Wonderlic with...

5. MIKE GLENNON, North Carolina State (6-7, 222, 4.99, 2-3) - Several scouts said he has the best arm...

6. LANDRY JONES, Oklahoma (6-4, 225, 5.09, 3-4) - "Erratic" was a scout's ...

7. TYLER WILSON, Arkansas (6-2, 215, 4.98, 4-5) - Much better in 2011 under coach Bobby Petrino...

8. TYLER BRAY, Tennessee (6-6, 229, 5.07, 4-5) - Third-year junior with a 13-11 record....

9. MATT SCOTT, Arizona (6-2, 212, 4.65, 5) - Benched early in 2010 in favor of Nick Foles...

10. ZAC DYSERT, Miami (Ohio) (6-3, 227, 4.81, 5-6) - Four-sport athlete in Ada, Ohio...

OTHERS: Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah; Jordan Rodgers, Vanderbilt; James Vandenberg, Iowa; Sean Renfree, Duke; Collin Klein, Kansas State; Jeff Tuel, Washington State; Dayne Crist, Kansas; Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech; Alex Carder, Western Michigan.

76Texan
04-20-2013, 01:31 PM
There's something wrong with those guns.
Glennon easily has the best arm.

Also, I've recently rewatched 5 Volunteers games the last couple of days (to verify that smoke screen about C Patterson - that director must be a crack head if he truly believes what he claimed and should be fired on the laptop).
Bray was clocked between 50-55, normally closer to 50 than 55.

Playoffs
04-20-2013, 03:26 PM
There's something wrong with those guns...

Coach, tell me I'm not looking at M.S., Jr. here?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfE52Ef8wsc

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Soizic22/media/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif.html)

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 10:00 PM
I wouldnt take a QB in this class prior to the 4th round .... bunch of career backups.

Seems like the majority of the NFL GM's agree'd with me on this statement. :kitten:

76Texan
04-29-2013, 10:31 AM
Not really; they still drafted 7 QBs in the first 4 rounds.
With it being a weak class, other teams simply waited longer for the rest.

I've got my top 4 guys drafted, just not in the order.
Most impressive was Mike Glennon, whom I thought to be a better prospect than most if not all around here felt, LOL.

76Texan
04-29-2013, 10:40 AM
Actually, I just looked it up.
Seven in the first four rounds is more like the norm for the last fifteen years, on the plus side.
There were maybe 4 years when teams drafted 8 (most); there were several more years when six or fewer were drafted in the top 4 rounds.

Lucky
05-05-2013, 09:26 AM
Actually, I just looked it up.
Seven in the first four rounds is more like the norm for the last fifteen years, on the plus side.
Yes, but the average draft position for those 7 was #80. Only 2010's draft had the top 7 QBs selected averaging a lower draft slot over the past 13 drafts.

I think this group would have gone higher, had they matched up with the trend of athletic QBs. The two QBs with plus athletic ability were the 1st 2 QBs selected. Had Barkley and Glennon been able to run 4.6 40's, they would have gone in the 1st or 2nd rounds, as well.