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srrono
12-24-2012, 06:15 PM
I like everyone else am hoping the Texans get it together and win a superbowl or at least make a strong run. If not QB may be where change is needed.
I heard a caller on the radio speak on this today.
OAK paid two #1 picks for Palmer. (very high)
What is the value of Schaub? #1? 2 #2's? a #2 & #3?
If the Texans could trade him for maybe a #1 or two #2 picks then turn around and sign Alex Smith in the off season would you do it?
I see Alex Smith fitting the HOU system. Smith is 3 years younger at 28 also has more mobility.
Smith Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. Talking heads say he will be cut in off season. Smith would cost about half the price as Schaub.
Schuab Signed a five-year, $66.15 million contract.
NFL QB landscape
I am not sure what teams could be interested in Schaub maybe:
ARZ
KC
JAG
OAK
CLE
BUF
NYJ

With the extra cap savings and draft pick or picks this would help fill other positions of need on the team.

Playoffs
12-24-2012, 07:19 PM
Alex Smith? :kubepalm::wadepalm::hankpalm:

CretorFrigg
12-24-2012, 07:22 PM
Russell Wilson + (a) draft pick(s). I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Rey
12-24-2012, 07:26 PM
Russell Wilson + (a) draft pick(s). I'd take that in a heartbeat.

They wouldn't do that straight up let alone with picks.

EllisUnit
12-24-2012, 07:35 PM
I think as hard as it is to find a good starter in this league we could get a #1 draft pick for him easily. Think of all the teams who have been searching countless years for a good to decent QB. People can say what they want but it could get a whole lot worse than schaub.

How many QBs did the bears,lions,49ers,titans,cardinals,cowboys,bengals , and the list goes on and on,,,before they found a quality Starter, and thats even if they have found one.

Take it for what its worth but i know what i get with Schaub a guy who can lead us to victories with help from the team. He is not a guy who can carry the team on his back. BUT i dont know what we will get from the next guy who takes his place, things could be worse is all i'm saying. Be careful what you wish for

srrono
12-24-2012, 08:23 PM
I think as hard as it is to find a good starter in this league we could get a #1 draft pick for him easily. Think of all the teams who have been searching countless years for a good to decent QB. People can say what they want but it could get a whole lot worse than schaub.

How many QBs did the bears,lions,49ers,titans,cardinals,cowboys,bengals , and the list goes on and on,,,before they found a quality Starter, and thats even if they have found one.

Take it for what its worth but i know what i get with Schaub a guy who can lead us to victories with help from the team. He is not a guy who can carry the team on his back. BUT i dont know what we will get from the next guy who takes his place, things could be worse is all i'm saying. Be careful what you wish for

i hear you and I aint wishing for it.

houstonspartan
12-24-2012, 08:48 PM
A #1 AND a #2 AND lot's and lot's and lots of CASH. LOTS.


Look, folks, I'm just as frustrated at yesterday's loss as the next person. I have my concerns, and think the playoffs might get ugly for us, but, the panic in the streets is getting a bit ridiculus.

Corrosion
12-24-2012, 09:05 PM
Alex Smith? :kubepalm::wadepalm::hankpalm:

You know , Smith and Schaub have a lot in common .... but I think that Smith has some tools that Schaub doesnt - Mobility and a little bigger arm.

I'd probably be OK with moving Schaub for a pick or two and bringing in Smith ....

ATXtexanfan
12-24-2012, 10:19 PM
A 7th rd pick, no really. Old and no arm strength

ATXtexanfan
12-24-2012, 10:20 PM
Gotta figure in his contract also

wolf123
12-24-2012, 10:22 PM
He has next to no Trade value... He's a solid QB but no where near elite.

ATXtexanfan
12-24-2012, 11:00 PM
He has next to no Trade value... He's a solid QB but no where near elite.

Agree, pipe dream to trade him

gafftop
12-24-2012, 11:11 PM
A 7th rd pick, no really. Old and no arm strength

He has next to no Trade value... He's a solid QB but no where near elite.

No way we ever trade Schaub. Maybe let go but no trade. Hell we didn't even trade Mario when he would have had real value or it could have meant we could have saved some of the players we had to let go last year and the FO knew there was no way we could resign him.
Still pretty pissed of about that mistake.

Quotes above pretty close to his value.

Hervoyel
12-24-2012, 11:14 PM
I think the only reason he has no trade value is that anyone wanting him would know that the Texans wouldn't part with him unless they were absolutely certain they had their new guy in place. That would mean a failed attempt to trade would be followed by his release (cap ramifications permitting, a lot depends on when this hypothetical event happens) so why trade for someone you can sign once he's available?

He's not so good that people will be trying to jump ahead of one another to get him. Nobody's forming a line to trade for the sloth.

dc_txtech
12-24-2012, 11:30 PM
I made a joke to my friend who is a Buffalo fan a few weeks ago. The joke was that some team will be dumb enough to trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Alex Smith and the team dumb enough to do that would be the Bills.

Then I come to my own home board and see people who are advocating trading for Alex ****ing Smith. Alex Smith was benched for a reason, the guy sucks. People keep saying he's mobile? No, he's not mobile. He had one run in a playoff game that everybody remembers. Harbaugh made Smith look like a winner and now he is sending him packing as soon as he had Kaepernick ready.

Schaub has no trade value, this whole thread is nulll in void.

mussop
12-24-2012, 11:35 PM
I made a joke to my friend who is a Buffalo fan a few weeks ago. The joke was that some team will be dumb enough to trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Alex Smith and the team dumb enough to do that would be the Bills.

Then I come to my own home board and see people who are advocating trading for Alex ****ing Smith. Alex Smith was benched for a reason, the guy sucks. People keep saying he's mobile? No, he's not mobile. He had one run in a playoff game that everybody remembers. Harbaugh made Smith look like a winner and now he is sending him packing as soon as he had Kaepernick ready.

Schaub has no trade value, this whole thread is nulll in void.

no he wasn't! He got injured and Kolin played well. And one run in any game is more than you will ever get from Schaub at this point.

chicagotexan2
12-24-2012, 11:37 PM
We're stuck with him for at least one more season. It just kills me how he wilts and retreats in the face of pressure. Maybe he's not as bad as he showed vs the vikes but it was really bad and the oline played like garbage too. I do hope that smith and kubiak take a serious look at Alex smith or someone else for the future because I'm now starting to believe that schaub is not the qb for the long run.

dc_txtech
12-24-2012, 11:38 PM
I think the only reason he has no trade value is that anyone wanting him would know that the Texans wouldn't part with him unless they were absolutely certain they had their new guy in place. That would mean a failed attempt to trade would be followed by his release (cap ramifications permitting, a lot depends on when this hypothetical event happens) so why trade for someone you can sign once he's available?

He's not so good that people will be trying to jump ahead of one another to get him. Nobody's forming a line to trade for the sloth.

The only reason he has no trade value is that he signed a 5 year 66 million dollar contract 3 months ago. Dutchrudder could probably spell it out better but to me that means he's not going anywhere.

Matt has us at 12-3. Not one single drop of sweat has dripped from my balls.

dc_txtech
12-24-2012, 11:41 PM
no he wasn't! He got injured and Kolin played well. And one run in any game is more than you will ever get from Schaub at this point.

So *Colin Kaepernick came in and played well and Smith was benched for that reason.

Is that not Smith being benched for a reason?

stingray
12-24-2012, 11:51 PM
Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really? :spit:

mussop
12-25-2012, 12:18 AM
So *Colin Kaepernick came in and played well and Smith was benched for that reason.

Is that not Smith being benched for a reason?

Actually Kaepernick came in and played light out. He was just to hot to take back out of the lineup. This season Smith was third in QB rating when he got hurt, behind Manning and Aaron Rodgers. In his last full game he was 18-of-19 with three TDs. Before he was knocked out of the game against St. Louis, he was 7-of-8 with a TD. Three of his five interceptions this season came in one game -- against the New York Giants, the defending Super Bowl champs. He was 20-6-1 in the games he's started for Harbaugh. He's not flashy … but he wins. Last season he had six fourth-quarter comebacks, including the playoffs.

He wasn't benched he got hurt and the coach decided to go with the hot "hot hand".

Mr teX
12-25-2012, 12:34 AM
Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really? :spit:

You can tell that many of them don't..they watch the texans and dont have clue about what's going on with other teams and players. Some of these suggestions are just absurd

Then, the fact that some believe we could actually get a first for a 30 year old middling qb.....:kubepalm:

Norg
12-25-2012, 12:43 AM
ill give u a answer after the playoffs

Corrosion
12-25-2012, 01:04 AM
Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really? :spit:

Smith is a limited QB like Schaub .... he is a little more mobile tho.

Upgrade ? I dont know .... but like Schaub Smith doesnt make many mistakes. He threw a total of 5 INT's in 445 attempts last season. Thats taking care of the ball.
He's also more mobile and has a stronger arm .... even if only marginally better in either.

Thats a QB who went 13-3 last year and was on track to repeat that prior to being sidelined by an injury, Smith was 6-2 as the starter while Colin Kaepernick has gone 4-2-1 with that same team .... with a loss and tie to a .500 Rams team.

Honestly I think Harbaugh will regret switching QB's as Kaepernick is much more mistakeprone .... Playoff football isnt forgiving of mistakes.

mussop
12-25-2012, 11:08 PM
Maybe if we glued some roller skates to his feet we could pass him off as semi mobile and get a higher pick for him.

Corrosion
12-26-2012, 12:43 AM
I think you meant to say "unlike" Schaub?

That being said to answer the OP we would be extremely fortunate to get a 4th or 5th for Matt.

Schaub only has 10 thru 15 games this season .... and has been 2.1% or below on INT's the last three seasons.


Smith's numbers last season were simply fabulous ... 1.1% Int rate. To put that in perspective , Brady has had only one year better (0.8% in 2010 which was a record breaking year for the Pats offense) and only two seasons below 2% (2007 - 1.4% and 2012 1.3%). In all the others Brady has been between 2.0 and 3.0% with a career total of 2.1%.

amazing80
12-26-2012, 07:24 AM
Meh, threads like this cause much debate and arguments for no reason. All of us could hate Schaub but Gary will never admit he was wrong and make a change. And to me Alex is a younger version of Matt with more mobility. He would be ok in our system and would provide things Matt doesn't but to trade or even sign him while you have Matt is more of a lateral move then anything.

To me the only way to upgrade is by drafting someone. IF YATES is not the guy like many seem to think (not me, I like Yates) then you have to get a qb higher in the draft.

Doppelganger
12-27-2012, 10:13 AM
Meh, threads like this cause much debate and arguments for no reason. All of us could hate Schaub but Gary will never admit he was wrong and make a change. And to me Alex is a younger version of Matt with more mobility. He would be ok in our system and would provide things Matt doesn't but to trade or even sign him while you have Matt is more of a lateral move then anything.

To me the only way to upgrade is by drafting someone. IF YATES is not the guy like many seem to think (not me, I like Yates) then you have to get a qb higher in the draft.

The problem with trying to replace Schaub is getting a guy who is better. Getting a guy who is worse makes no sense. I don't see Alex Smith as an improvement. What other free agent QBs may be available? Matt Moore? Jason Campbell. Neither of these guys screams improvement to me.

This is a poor year to draft a franchise QB. None of the 2013 QBs look like franchise signal callers. 2014 looks like a better year to grab a QB high. So, i imagine the team is stuck with Schaub for another year, whether they like it or not.

TheMatrix31
12-27-2012, 10:55 AM
Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really? :spit:

Of course they don't. That much is clear.

2012Champs
12-27-2012, 11:00 AM
Ok, if you are basing it on INT's only, but during the course of the game Schaub makes many many mistakes that cost our offense chances to score or deliver FG's in the red zone instead of TD's.



mistakes costing us an extension of a drive is better than a mistake that cost us a turnover ala Yates

Double Barrel
12-27-2012, 11:14 AM
We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.

Schaub is not going anywhere until Kubiak is going somewhere, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Both of these cats are going to be here for awhile, so we might as well get used to it and hope for the best.

Maybe we can build a team around him that will not require him to have elevated performances, like the Bucs did with Trent Dilfer?

2012Champs
12-27-2012, 11:49 AM
We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.

Schaub is not going anywhere until Kubiak is going somewhere, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Both of these cats are going to be here for awhile, so we might as well get used to it and hope for the best.

Maybe we can build a team around him that will not require him to have elevated performances, like the Bucs did with Trent Dilfer?



I would have been more than okay with peyton coming to town

Rey
12-27-2012, 12:56 PM
We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.

Schaub is not going anywhere until Kubiak is going somewhere, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Both of these cats are going to be here for awhile, so we might as well get used to it and hope for the best.

Maybe we can build a team around him that will not require him to have elevated performances, like the Bucs did with Trent Dilfer?

This is exactly why I want to spend some high picks on O-linemen this season...

We need guys that are dominant in run blocking and pass pro...Maybe get KW off the field a bit more too...

Tailgate
12-27-2012, 01:14 PM
Not much right now. But Schaub is about to enter into a defining moment of his career over the coming weeks.

Rey
12-27-2012, 01:21 PM
Not much right now. But Schaub is about to enter into a defining moment of his career over the coming weeks.

You're right...

I'm excited for him. He has a chance to change a lot of people's minds..Texan and Non-Texan fans...

About to go into his first play-offs...Best team record wise that he's ever been a part of...

Just has to do it...

Playoffs
12-27-2012, 01:40 PM
We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.I dunno how we could stand Peyton's $18 million cap hit. And imo it would at minimum be imprudent for any GM to trade for Schaub with his lisfranc. I think we're lucky he could come back from it.

b0ng
12-27-2012, 01:51 PM
A 7th rd pick, no really. Old and no arm strength

This is dumb Arizona would take that trade all day every day and not look back.

Norg
12-27-2012, 01:53 PM
well schaub has a chance to dictate that yall are right hes about to enter the biggest part of his football Career his LIFE

thts why this colts game is so Important to WIN it will give the team a chance to breathe and get rdy for the Playoffs

Brisco_County
12-27-2012, 02:11 PM
ill give u a answer after the playoffs

Something is very wrong with the general consensus when Norg is the one exercising prudence.

Double Barrel
12-27-2012, 02:47 PM
This is exactly why I want to spend some high picks on O-linemen this season...

We need guys that are dominant in run blocking and pass pro...Maybe get KW off the field a bit more too...

I agree completely about heavy investment in o-line. I'm a firm believer that games are won/lost in the trenches. A great line can make a decent RB good and a good back great. And then with a statue QB, we need all the protection that we can get.

It seems pretty evident that many of this season's problems originate directly from platooning lineman on the right side. Arian is not looking anything like he did last year, and Schaub is getting David Carr syndrome by going fetal position when he just hears footsteps.

I dunno how we could stand Peyton's $18 million cap hit. And imo it would at minimum be imprudent for any GM to trade for Schaub with his lisfranc. I think we're lucky he could come back from it.

I agree. I'm not a cap expert and have no thoughts on managing it. There were some folks around here that were working numbers as food for thought.

My main point was that the Texans never even entertained the idea, and according to Bob Allen, Manning had the Texans as no. 1 on his list but the Texans would not even grant him a meeting to discuss it. I don't think it was cap concerns as much as it is being married to Schaub. JMO obviously.

Good point on Schaub, too. I'm not sure who would have been interested in him at that point.

Hopefully the boy rises up for the playoffs and proves everyone wrong! :texflag:

Big Lou
12-27-2012, 05:52 PM
I agree completely about heavy investment in o-line. I'm a firm believer that games are won/lost in the trenches. A great line can make a decent RB good and a good back great. And then with a statue QB, we need all the protection that we can get.

It seems pretty evident that many of this season's problems originate directly from platooning lineman on the right side. Arian is not looking anything like he did last year, and Schaub is getting David Carr syndrome by going fetal position when he just hears footsteps.



I agree. I'm not a cap expert and have no thoughts on managing it. There were some folks around here that were working numbers as food for thought.

My main point was that the Texans never even entertained the idea, and according to Bob Allen, Manning had the Texans as no. 1 on his list but the Texans would not even grant him a meeting to discuss it. I don't think it was cap concerns as much as it is being married to Schaub. JMO obviously.

Good point on Schaub, too. I'm not sure who would have been interested in him at that point.

Hopefully the boy rises up for the playoffs and proves everyone wrong! :texflag:

The 3 loses were games in which we lost the LOS battle. Especially the game against the Vikes.

Blame Schaub for falling after wiffs, blame Foster for running in to a pile or falling every chance he gets, but they had one thing in common, the OL play.

When we were blowing opponents out, the O-Line was generally mauling the other team.

If the OL doesn't get it together then Foster will get hit behind the LOS every other play, his patience is a virtue with solid OL play, but with out the OL playing well, it results in lost yardage.

In Indy and the playoffs, I think you will be able to tell how the game will go withing a series or two based on two things. How is the O-Line Playing, and are the TE's involved in the game. In our loses and tight games we struggled with one of those two, or both issues, which took away deep drops for the longer throws, play action and the bootleg, and the running game.

Double Barrel
12-27-2012, 06:19 PM
The 3 loses were games in which we lost the LOS battle. Especially the game against the Vikes.

Blame Schaub for falling after wiffs, blame Foster for running in to a pile or falling every chance he gets, but they had one thing in common, the OL play.

When we were blowing opponents out, the O-Line was generally mauling the other team.

If the OL doesn't get it together then Foster will get hit behind the LOS every other play, his patience is a virtue with solid OL play, but with out the OL playing well, it results in lost yardage.

In Indy and the playoffs, I think you will be able to tell how the game will go withing a series or two based on two things. How is the O-Line Playing, and are the TE's involved in the game. In our loses and tight games we struggled with one of those two, or both issues, which took away deep drops for the longer throws, play action and the bootleg, and the running game.

Great post. MSR

I agree completely. I get a feel of how games are going to play out in the first quarter. I'm not Nostradamus or anything, but when our o-line is getting manhandled early on, it is usually a bad sign of things to come.

I told my wife early in all three losses that I had a bad feeling about those games, and it was because of the lack of running lanes and pressure on the QB. It helps me to detach my emotions and just watch the game instead of being angry about it.

Corrosion
12-27-2012, 06:23 PM
I agree completely about heavy investment in o-line. I'm a firm believer that games are won/lost in the trenches. A great line can make a decent RB good and a good back great. And then with a statue QB, we need all the protection that we can get.



In the coming offseason , I'd like to see them pick up two stud OL , one at RT and another inside be it thru the draft or FA.

Im looking at a second round pick on an OG in most of my mock scenario's sandwiched by WR and CB one way or another in rounds 1 & 3.

Brisco_County
12-27-2012, 07:21 PM
In the coming offseason , I'd like to see them pick up two stud OL , one at RT and another inside be it thru the draft or FA.

Im looking at a second round pick on an OG in most of my mock scenario's sandwiched by WR and CB one way or another in rounds 1 & 3.

Drafting rookies means sacrificing half a season or more of reliable offense. It takes a lot of reps in the ZBS before it works. I think it was Texans Chick who made the point that rotating the right guards was detrimental to the overall line performance.

Corrosion
12-27-2012, 08:15 PM
Drafting rookies means sacrificing half a season or more of reliable offense. It takes a lot of reps in the ZBS before it works. I think it was Texans Chick who made the point that rotating the right guards was detrimental to the overall line performance.

Whats detrimental to the OL's performance is their lack of ability .... Smith has gone downhill fast , Newton is a good pass protector but way below average as a run blocker .... and the rookie mistakes made by Jones have been many.

What they have done thus far is a testiment to how well Brown and Myers have played from start to finish.

Getting veteran FA's is likely going to be too expensive for this team as its already up against the cap .... so do you upgrade or just stand pat when standing pat isnt good enough ?

Brisco_County
12-27-2012, 11:07 PM
Whats detrimental to the OL's performance is their lack of ability .... Smith has gone downhill fast , Newton is a good pass protector but way below average as a run blocker .... and the rookie mistakes made by Jones have been many.

What they have done thus far is a testiment to how well Brown and Myers have played from start to finish.

Getting veteran FA's is likely going to be too expensive for this team as its already up against the cap .... so do you upgrade or just stand pat when standing pat isnt good enough ?

It depends on how much upside is there. I am pleased with Jones' performance as a rookie so far, and Brooks has even more natural ability. We agree on Smith, so one of those guys can slide over to left guard.

Corrosion
12-27-2012, 11:26 PM
It depends on how much upside is there. I am pleased with Jones' performance as a rookie so far, and Brooks has even more natural ability. We agree on Smith, so one of those guys can slide over to left guard.

If Brooks works out , I have no problem moving one of he or Jones to the left side.

In my first mock for 2013 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97286) I have the Texans taking Kyle Long in round two - he can play either goard spot and right tackle. If Brooks and Jones can man the guard positions , Long would probably send Newton to a backup spot.


Getting rid of Wade Smith would also save the team about $3m twards next years cap with about $750k in dead money.

Porky
12-28-2012, 10:14 AM
Interesting topics. A few weeks ago, the thought of trading or releasing Schaub would have induced the following from me --> :ahhaha:

Now, not so much. The guy has been a shrinking violet the last half of the season.

He is pretty good when ideal conditions exist. Outside of that, he stinks.

For the Texans offense with Matt at the helm, it's absolutely vital that the running game is working well enough to keep the defense honest.

On the plus side, he is intelligent, works his tail off, knows the offense backwards and forwards, is usually accurate in the short and medium throws, and in general gets the ball to the correct guy on a given play. He is risk averse...sometimes too much but I do prefer that he gets rid of the ball rather than throws a ton of picks.

On the downside, his injury has taken him from an immobile guy who can at least avoid the rush and buy some time to an absolute statue. While he can at least "jog" toward the sideline, his footwork is such that he can't maneuver away from rushers any longer or so it appears to me. He is almost a ZERO threat to run, so defenses just need to drop 8 on 3rd and long and force Schaub to hold the ball until sacked, or force him to move outside the pocket and toss it away, or worst case he dumps it to a safety valve short of the marker. And since he can't run, the defenders just stick to their guy like glue. No need to have a spy or even have DB's worry about a running QB.

His arm strength has to be in the bottom 5 of starting NFL qb's, and how many times has AJ or another guy been running wide open only to have to stand there and wait for the ball to be delivered leaving the defender plenty of time to catch up. It's probably not too much worse than Joe Montana, but the difference is Montana found his guy earlier in the route and hit him in stride. Schaub waits too long to release the ball on those deep throws.

The last major problem I see is between his ears. It's anecdotal I know - but it sure seems like the bigger the game, the worse he plays (in general). The next two games will tell the tale on this I believe. If he comes back and plays like a good QB should in these types of games, then he can redeem himself. In short, the next two games are the biggest of his career and for his legacy as a long term NFL starter.

Those are his major two issues. He could also do a better job leading guys properly for better YAC as well. Too many times, he throws behind the WR, although as I mentioned earlier his accuracy overall is pretty good 20 yards and in so I'm not going to pick too much there.

As to his trade value, the big problem is here is a guy that's on the downside of his career now, coming off a major foot injury which is obviously impacting his play. Combine that with a contract that I don't think is currently appropriate for his play and I am not sure he has much value. Maybe a team like AZ would be willing to cough up a mid-rounder for him? I just don't see an easy #1 like some of you do. Not with that contract. Maybe if he would re-structure first.

As to Alex smith, I think he is Schaub-like in that he probably can't completely carry a team, but better and younger. He is a little better everywhere - a little better arm strength, a little better mobility, a little younger, etc. And yes, I have watched him quite a bit. He has really come on in the last two seasons, and personally I would play him over Colin K. It's close, but Alex is a guy (like Schaub) who doesn't make a ton of mistakes, and perhaps is also a bit to risk averse, but again give me that over a gun slinger that throws a 2 picks a game on average.

It's an interesting thought. Doubt it happens, but it's something to at least discuss if I am the Texans brass.

Wolf6151
12-30-2012, 04:50 PM
I'm not sure what he's worth now, but his value keeps going down with each game. He's got a team friendly contract so I think Rick Smith should at least get on the phone and do some asking around. Maybe the KC Chiefs, for their 2nd and 3rd?

midway
12-30-2012, 05:04 PM
I'd pay someone to take Schaub. Maybe we could give him away if we bundled him with a third round pick, though the chance to pick another white TE might be too much for Kubiak to part with.

panamamyers
12-30-2012, 05:13 PM
I made a joke to my friend who is a Buffalo fan a few weeks ago. The joke was that some team will be dumb enough to trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Alex Smith and the team dumb enough to do that would be the Bills.

Then I come to my own home board and see people who are advocating trading for Alex ****ing Smith. Alex Smith was benched for a reason, the guy sucks. People keep saying he's mobile? No, he's not mobile. He had one run in a playoff game that everybody remembers. Harbaugh made Smith look like a winner and now he is sending him packing as soon as he had Kaepernick ready.

Schaub has no trade value, this whole thread is nulll in void.

Everything you said about Alex Smith is exactly right....and he's still twice as good as Schaub.

BullNation4Life
12-30-2012, 06:50 PM
Schaub's trade value....



A bucket of chicken and a can of Spam?

Hervoyel
12-30-2012, 06:54 PM
Schaub's trade value....



A bucket of chicken and a can of Spam?


I'm pulling the can of Spam off the table. Did you see Schaub play today?

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:56 PM
It's not just trading him that's the problem. Who do you replace him with?

Nawzer
12-30-2012, 07:07 PM
He has no trade value firstly because he is reliant upon the system. Without Kubiak's system, Schaub is not a starting caliber QB. Secondly, he has minimal arm strength, he has no mobility to speak of, and has no pocket presence. Lastly, he's just not a good player and why would any team want to trade for him? Teams are having success finding young QBs in the draft who come in ready to play in a pass first style offense and can make plays with their feet. Schaub offers no dynamism and unless he's playing in a Kubiak/Shanahan style offense he can't do much else at this point in his career which is clearly on a down slide.

Corrosion
12-30-2012, 07:08 PM
It's not just trading him that's the problem. Who do you replace him with?

....TJ Yates could have given a better effort than Schaub did today.


The problem with trading or cutting Schaub is you still take the cap hit for his guaranteed money :headhurts:

Hervoyel
12-30-2012, 07:12 PM
....TJ Yates could have given a better effort than Schaub did today.


The problem with trading or cutting Schaub is you still take the cap hit for his guaranteed money :headhurts:

Yeah, Schaub's not going anywhere. We're going to have to watch this SOB spiral out of the sky all the way down to the fireball he makes on the ground. He's got that cap number "death grip" on the team now. Wonder how many players they'll have to part with over the next two years to get out of cap trouble while Matt throws picks and plods into sacks. Can't afford to get him a line to make him better, we owe him $30 million. No problem, Gary can find some more 4th and 5th round bums to stand in front of him.

amazing80
12-30-2012, 07:17 PM
5th rounder

TEXANRED
12-30-2012, 07:23 PM
I will give you a case of Old Milwaukee's Best and a stale bag of Doritos.

gafftop
12-30-2012, 08:06 PM
He has no trade value firstly because he is reliant upon the system. Without Kubiak's system, Schaub is not a starting caliber QB. Secondly, he has minimal arm strength, he has no mobility to speak of, and has no pocket presence. Lastly, he's just not a good player and why would any team want to trade for him? Teams are having success finding young QBs in the draft who come in ready to play in a pass first style offense and can make plays with their feet. Schaub offers no dynamism and unless he's playing in a Kubiak/Shanahan style offense he can't do much else at this point in his career which is clearly on a down slide.

Why the hell is he going to be our QB? We can't develope anyone with him here and we have no chance for SB with him. Oh forgot our braintrust signed him to an extension. Do they really know anything about QB's?? Remember Carr and Orvlosky.

You think we give a 5th round and someone may take him??

TEXANRED
12-30-2012, 08:15 PM
Why the hell is he going to be our QB? We can't develope anyone with him here and we have no chance for SB with him. Oh forgot our braintrust signed him to an extension. Do they really know anything about QB's?? Remember Carr and Orvlosky.

You think we give a 5th round and someone may take him??

Good post. I take back my stale bag of Doritos and subtract 2 beers from the case of Old Milwaukee's Best.

Nawzer
12-30-2012, 08:16 PM
Why the hell is he going to be our QB? We can't develope anyone with him here and we have no chance for SB with him. Oh forgot our braintrust signed him to an extension. Do they really know anything about QB's?? Remember Carr and Orvlosky.

You think we give a 5th round and someone may take him??

Any team that trades for him either has to be super desperate which I don't know if there's a team out there that desperate. The other option is that he would be a backup for whatever team trades for him. But this all moot because he has a huge salary and he's going to be here for the next couple of years. Best thing we can hope for is that they draft someone and develop him or give T.J. Yates a real shot.

burro
12-30-2012, 08:43 PM
A few teams may give a 3rd for Schaub, but realistically you're looking at a 4th or 5th. Either way, he's staying because of the mega-deal he got.

That doesn't mean we have to start him though. If the playoff game is as putrid as the last two games, then Yates will deserve a fair chance to earn the job in the off season.

Also, why would we dump one robotic noodle-arm for another by picking up Alex Smith? If we're going to skip over Yates for someone on another roster, let's make Washington a deal for Kirk Cousins.

Premier
12-30-2012, 08:51 PM
take whatever arizona will give us for him.. make a run at philip rivers, spend a high draft pick on qb, sit behind rivers, flip yates for something..

Big Lou
01-05-2013, 09:10 PM
The 3 loses were games in which we lost the LOS battle. Especially the game against the Vikes.

Blame Schaub for falling after wiffs, blame Foster for running in to a pile or falling every chance he gets, but they had one thing in common, the OL play.

When we were blowing opponents out, the O-Line was generally mauling the other team.

If the OL doesn't get it together then Foster will get hit behind the LOS every other play, his patience is a virtue with solid OL play, but with out the OL playing well, it results in lost yardage.

In Indy and the playoffs, I think you will be able to tell how the game will go withing a series or two based on two things. How is the O-Line Playing, and are the TE's involved in the game. In our loses and tight games we struggled with one of those two, or both issues, which took away deep drops for the longer throws, play action and the bootleg, and the running game.

The OL kept Schaub clean and played decent in the run game. OD played well as well. The red zone was rough, but TOP was outstanding at almost 39 minutes.

Many are pissed still, but this to me was classic Texans offense. Control the clock, give what the D will give you, exploit what opens up.

Take away the RZ trouble, and Matt's pick which was a bad throw but a better play by the CB and it would be hard to say we didn't outright dominate.

I can understand those that are concerned, hell I am, but I've reset my defcon level to cautiously optimistic,

Come on folks, crack another beer and enjoy at least one more week of the playoffs, and doesn't it feel good to go thru the week as winners?

Corrosion
01-05-2013, 09:19 PM
The OL kept Schaub clean and played decent in the run game. OD played well as well. The red zone was rough, but TOP was outstanding at almost 39 minutes.

Many are pissed still, but this to me was classic Texans offense. Control the clock, give what the D will give you, exploit what opens up.

Take away the RZ trouble, and Matt's pick which was a bad throw but a better play by the CB and it would be hard to say we didn't outright dominate.

I can understand those that are concerned, hell I am, but I've reset my defcon level to cautiously optimistic,

Come on folks, crack another beer and enjoy at least one more week of the playoffs, and doesn't it feel good to go thru the week as winners?

On that pick , Schaub had Walter wide open down field ..... A blown read on his part.