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Fili
12-24-2012, 10:35 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Matt-Schaub-voted-2012-Ed-Block-Courage-Award-winner/393c7108-bb73-498f-9ac2-cbd962a93667

The Texans have selected QB Matt Schaub as their 2012 Ed Block Courage Award winner. Recipients are selected by a vote of their teammates to recognize extra efforts both on and off the field and their ability to overcome great adversity. Schaub joins past Texans winners LB DeMeco Ryans (2011), TE Joel Dreessen (2010), LB Zac Diles (2009), WR Harry Williams (2008), DE Anthony Weaver (2007), LB Kailee Wong (2006), WR Jabar Gaffney (2005), DT Seth Payne (2004), CB Aaron Glenn (2003) and CB Jason Bell (2002). He will be recognized at the 35th annual Ed Block Courage Awards on DATE in Baltimore, Maryland.

This has to be a joke...

amazing80
12-24-2012, 10:37 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Matt-Schaub-voted-2012-Ed-Block-Courage-Award-winner/393c7108-bb73-498f-9ac2-cbd962a93667



This has to be a joke...

pretty sure it was prior to the game

Trap_Star
12-24-2012, 10:41 AM
Shitty throw schaub is a winner.

NitroGSXR
12-24-2012, 10:42 AM
He came back from a career-ending type of injury and has led our team to a 12-3 record (at worst 12-4). I could not be any happier. Schaub is a warrior.

El Tejano
12-24-2012, 10:56 AM
I just want him to move away from pressure and make a completion on the run and not just throw the ball out of bounds or take a sack. That's all. I like Schaub.

Playoffs
12-24-2012, 11:03 AM
He came back from a career-ending type of injury and has led our team to a 12-3 record (at worst 12-4). I could not be any happier...

Exactly. Just ironic that Schaub was running scared all game against the Vikings.

Yesterday
12-24-2012, 11:17 AM
Can't recall the last time I saw Schaub put the slip on a defender (ala Roethlisberger, Luck, etc..). Would really like him to bulk up in the offseason. When he throws the ball it looks forced

My thing with Schaub has always been that he doesn't lose us games, and that when this team plays the way it is designed to, we don't need him to win us games. But this season his play, especially after the bye, has been sub-par.

Porky
12-24-2012, 11:23 AM
I would nominate him for the block head award. He is regressing all season, and has played his worse when it has mattered most. I'm starting to rethink my long term support of him. He better turn it on and find another gear and soon.

Yesterday
12-24-2012, 11:28 AM
I would nominate him for the block head award. He is regressing all season, and has played his worse when it has mattered most. I'm starting to rethink my long term support of him. He better turn it on and find another gear and soon.

Good thing we didn't sign him to a long-term contract...oh, wait...

robroy72
12-24-2012, 11:38 AM
I like Schaub, I think he fits the offence to a T. But ... I'm struggling to think of a least mobile QB and I think that is what other teams have picked up on. Bully up front, push back into the pocket because if he's flushed and on the run he's worse than useless.

mike moffat
12-24-2012, 12:13 PM
I don't see a "killer" instinct in him....or Kube for that matter. They go out and attempt to execute the plays that are drawn up. Pretty vanilla if you ask me. This coming from a supporter of both every year. But, I'm starting to doubt them. We have to have more plays than Foster left, Tate draw, Foster screen and desperations to Andre.

Look at the intensity of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. They will bury you if given an opportunity. Look into their eyes and compare them to Schaub.

The way that we are playing right now, we're one and done. Too bad. We probably won't have this type of win / loss record for several years.

Mr teX
12-24-2012, 01:22 PM
I like Schaub, I think he fits the offence to a T. But ... I'm struggling to think of a least mobile QB and I think that is what other teams have picked up on. Bully up front, push back into the pocket because if he's flushed and on the run he's worse than useless.

funny how you just glossed over that like it's not a big deal..we've got some of the lightest O-linemen in the game..have to be for the scheme so "bullying" them & disrupting would come a little easier against them than it would be say SF's linemen.

EVOLVIST
12-24-2012, 02:20 PM
Look at the intensity of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. They will bury you if given an opportunity. Look into their eyes and compare them to Schaub.

Oh? Much like the eyes of Bob Griese, two time Super Bowl victor, who's eyes were as flat and dead as an eight-day-old mackerel? Yeah, Bob makes Schaub look like meth tweaker.

Much to do about nothing, this killer instinct and those eyes. A lot of good it's doing Philip Rivers right now. :yawn:

TexansLucky13
12-24-2012, 02:26 PM
Compensation for losing half an ear

Hervoyel
12-24-2012, 02:32 PM
Nice award. The Texans are great at giving each other awards. They also talk a mean game when the media sticks a microphone in their faces.

Interesting that not one previous winner is still with the team.

Hookem Horns
12-24-2012, 04:51 PM
How about giving it to someone who took a LOT of flak from the fans and media, sucked it up, turned their career around and is now performing beyond expectations on the field?

Kareem Jackson gets my vote.

ObsiWan
12-24-2012, 05:06 PM
Nice award. The Texans are great at giving each other awards. They also talk a mean game when the media sticks a microphone in their faces.

Interesting that not one previous winner is still with the team.

:hmmm:

foreshadowing maybe...
Perhaps Schaub will only be here another year or so...

MEGA SWATT
12-24-2012, 05:11 PM
Nice award. The Texans are great at giving each other awards. They also talk a mean game when the media sticks a microphone in their faces.

Interesting that not one previous winner is still with the team.

So this is the award you get when you are close to done in Houston?:spit:

playa465
12-24-2012, 07:57 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Matt-Schaub-voted-2012-Ed-Block-Courage-Award-winner/393c7108-bb73-498f-9ac2-cbd962a93667

This has to be a joke...

Its no joke, he is probably the most deserving based on the prerequisites:

to recognize extra efforts both on and off the field and their ability to overcome great adversity.

and remember, his teammates think this of him.

Hervoyel
12-24-2012, 09:03 PM
Brady's teammates play poorly in a victory over the Jaguars and Brady tears them a new fourth point of contact. Schaub's teammates vote him a warm and fuzzy feel-good award as the Texans slowly grind to an inept halt to wrap up their season.

I think I see a clear difference in the way these two men approach the game of football.

EllisUnit
12-24-2012, 09:07 PM
"Courage" is in the awards name.

Schaub getting it has to be a joke for sure.

GP
12-24-2012, 10:12 PM
Matt Schaub can take his award and melt it down, then form it into a hood ornament for his motorized scooter for all I care.

The hood ornament should be something representative of this team, though. Maybe it could be Schaub in a letter jacket, eating tofu, while riding a Segway?

This team ****ed up what was going to be a great season. I'm so pissed off.

Congratulations, Matthew. This award means so much to all of Texans Nation. You did it. You won.

Yesterday
12-24-2012, 10:57 PM
How about giving it to someone who took a LOT of flak from the fans and media, sucked it up, turned their career around and is now performing beyond expectations on the field?

Kareem Jackson gets my vote.

Agreed. Kareem the Dream has played at a well above average level this season.

infantrycak
12-24-2012, 11:43 PM
Congratulations Houston "fans."

A man comes back from a career threatening injury and the people closest to him who see his effort every day (his teammates) give him an award.

You take it as an opportunity to slag him.

You get what you have earned.

GP
12-24-2012, 11:45 PM
I, too, think the wrong guy won.

But that's par for the course. Everything there is scripted, contrived, "plastic."

Kareem Jackson has been nails this year, IMO. And before now, he had his back against the wall like no other player.

Hervoyel
12-25-2012, 12:29 AM
Congratulations Houston "fans."

A man comes back from a career threatening injury and the people closest to him who see his effort every day (his teammates) give him an award.

You take it as an opportunity to slag him.

You get what you have earned.

:rolleyes:

A very good doctor performed surgery on him and he did his rehab.

:bravo:

"Courageous", thy name is Schaub.

Look, they could have taken his leg off at the knee and replaced it with a prosthetic limb and I question whether he'd have lost a step. His career might have been threatened if it had come with a cast iron ball and a chain but other than that I don't see him getting any slower. But fine, I'm proud of him. Good job Matt. Keep kicking ass and taking names dude!

You Da Man! unless we need to score some points against an opponent at home apparently....

infantrycak
12-25-2012, 12:43 AM
You Da Man! unless we need to score some points against an opponent at home apparently....

Funny, I seem to remember him having 5 scoring drives to bring us back twice from 21 pt deficits at home against the Ravens who were at the time one of the top 3 D's in the league to tie the game and two of them were 99 and then 92 yards which set some sort of record against the Ravens D. I'll admit he screwed up in overtime with a pick six. The idea he can't move the ball or perform under pressure is ludicrous. We wouldn't have been in overtime BUT FOR his performance to get us there. Are we really down to at home distinctions? - last I checked playing on the road was supposed to be tougher. He has scored points at critical times in conjunction with the rest of the offense on many occasions. The anger being expressed is overboard. Not saying he is elite but that's my opinion.

Hervoyel
12-25-2012, 12:58 AM
Funny, I seem to remember him having 5 scoring drives to bring us back twice from 21 pt deficits at home against the Ravens who were at the time one of the top 3 D's in the league to tie the game and two of them were 99 and then 92 yards which set some sort of record against the Ravens D. I'll admit he screwed up in overtime with a pick six. The idea he can't move the ball or perform under pressure is ludicrous. We wouldn't have been in overtime BUT FOR his performance to get us there. Are we really down to at home distinctions? - last I checked playing on the road was supposed to be tougher. He has scored points at critical times in conjunction with the rest of the offense on many occasions. The anger being expressed is overboard. Not saying he is elite but that's my opinion.


I'm sorry man, this is just what I'm hearing when I read this. Maybe it is overboard but I've never liked this guy as our QB, never believe in him, and am sick to death of watching him play. I got this way watching Moon too back in the day for the same reason. When it comes time to win the game that right up there is what you get from Matt Schaub. I got to where I knew Moon was going to throw the pick that broke the Oilers back and he was usually good for it. So is Matt.

Remember when the board hit that point where enough people were ready to see the end of the David Carr era? That "critical mass" moment when people didn't even care anymore whether Kubiak could somehow fix him? Well, before that moment got here it started with a few people thinking that, and then a few more, and then a few more after that. I don't know where we are with Matt Schaub today but I know where I'm at and I'm tired of watching this guy play. I know what I'm going to see.

I also know that very few people are there and nobody with the Houston Texans is there. I know I'm going to be watching Matt for some time, probably years to come. I'm just not making any more bones about it. I hate the guy's game and want him replaced. That's officially where I fall on the subject of Matt Schaub going forward.

NitroGSXR
12-25-2012, 01:17 AM
I got to where I knew Moon was going to throw the pick that broke the Oilers back and he was usually good for it. So is Matt.

Manning and Brees have more interceptions than Schaub. Shoot... just about the damn entire league has more interceptions than Schaub this year! Schaub throwing picks to end games is an urban legend. I don't know where your hate is coming from on the picks. Yes, Baltimore happened. Sh#t happens. Get over it.

mike moffat
12-25-2012, 02:51 AM
Oh? Much like the eyes of Bob Griese, two time Super Bowl victor, who's eyes were as flat and dead as an eight-day-old mackerel? Yeah, Bob makes Schaub look like meth tweaker.

Much to do about nothing, this killer instinct and those eyes. A lot of good it's doing Philip Rivers right now. :yawn:

All that I am saying is....where's the emotion? He throws an interception and waltzes off of the field and sits down. I'd be pissed and everyone would know it. Kubiak just walks the sideline with his play board under his arms.

Conversly, when he throws a touch down, you see a fist pump and another waltz off. How about sprinting down to the end zone and celebrating with the team?

I have been supporting both of these guys from day one. I would just like to see them a little more excited about whatever the turn of events.

This is about the only emotion you see from Kube. :kubepalm:

HJam72
12-25-2012, 09:48 AM
Funny, I seem to remember him having 5 scoring drives to bring us back twice from 21 pt deficits at home against the Ravens who were at the time one of the top 3 D's in the league to tie the game and two of them were 99 and then 92 yards which set some sort of record against the Ravens D. I'll admit he screwed up in overtime with a pick six. The idea he can't move the ball or perform under pressure is ludicrous. We wouldn't have been in overtime BUT FOR his performance to get us there. Are we really down to at home distinctions? - last I checked playing on the road was supposed to be tougher. He has scored points at critical times in conjunction with the rest of the offense on many occasions. The anger being expressed is overboard. Not saying he is elite but that's my opinion.

Just want to add that our running game had the Baltimore D WORN THE F. OUT and Kubiak decided to have Matt throw the ball out of the endzone, instead of running it. All we needed to do was not turn the ball over and Kubiak outsmarted himself. Pressure came hard and fast right up the middle (Myers), and THEN Schaub made a bad pass. We should've owned the rest of that OT, but Kubes had to get all tricky-dicky on himself. I can't blame that one on Schaub.

Playoffs
12-25-2012, 10:48 AM
Congratulations Houston "fans."

A man comes back from a career threatening injury and the people closest to him who see his effort every day (his teammates) give him an award.

You take it as an opportunity to slag him.

You get what you have earned.

http://njsaltwaterfisherman.com/forums/Smileys/classic/what_he_said.jpg

GP
12-25-2012, 11:30 AM
How much more of Matt Schaub do we have to see, in order to say that this guy is really just a notch or two better than David Carr?

I mean, I don't get it. Other than show competency (something Carr couldn't show) what has Matt Schaub accomplished? Even TJ Yates, the guy who didn't improve a lick from last season, went out there and won us a playoff game and almost pushed us through to the AFCC game too!

Doesn't that say something? If TJ Yates can lead this team and do relatively the same as Matt Schaub, what does that say about Matt Schaub?

I'm sorry, but this QB and this HC are mirror images of one another. They are codependent of one another. They need each other. Hell, they practically are the same person through and through. And with that, there's no higher ceiling.

We're at the top. We've maxed out with these two guys.

That's what has me bummed out. I'm at the top, and there's higher levels above us that we're not going to get to. Sort of depressing, actually. Oh well.

NitroGSXR
12-25-2012, 12:01 PM
If I were Schaub and I read this thread... I would demand to be traded. WTF have you people been eating? You all have been slowly poisoned this year. GP is your Jim Jones.

GP
12-25-2012, 12:40 PM
If I were Schaub and I read this thread... I would demand to be traded. WTF have you people been eating? You all have been slowly poisoned this year. GP is your Jim Jones.

Nah. I'm just that caring, objective Hospice worker who loves all of you through your denial, through your anger, your confusion, etc.

I've seen it before. I see it happening again. No big deal, it is life.

What can we do? Nothing. I just won't be pulled into the realm of fantasy that says all of this goes away. It is what it is. Schaub needs to be benched, for the good of the team, but this HC won't do it. He loves the guy beyond measure.

So therefore, we're all being taken down a familiar path of mediocrity for the sake of "loyalty" and "continuity" and such.

Like I said: I found peace with it. I've learned there is nothing that can happen other than a miracle in the 11th hour. The Jets with Namath found a way to do the impossible. MAYBE this team can do the same. But they need outside help to get there. That's the best I can summon, in terms of being positive.

Mr teX
12-25-2012, 12:50 PM
Nah. I'm just that caring, objective Hospice worker who loves all of you through your denial, through your anger, your confusion, etc.

I've seen it before. I see it happening again. No big deal, it is life.

What can we do? Nothing. I just won't be pulled into the realm of fantasy that says all of this goes away. It is what it is. Schaub needs to be benched, for the good of the team, but this HC won't do it. He loves the guy beyond measure.

So therefore, we're all being taken down a familiar path of mediocrity for the sake of "loyalty" and "continuity" and such.

Like I said: I found peace with it. I've learned there is nothing that can happen other than a miracle in the 11th hour. The Jets with Namath found a way to do the impossible. MAYBE this team can do the same. But they need outside help to get there. That's the best I can summon, in terms of being positive.


Lol at for the good of the team. The stuff u guys come up with just..:spit:


We backed into the playoffs last year with yates. we had awful losses against the 1-15 colts and had a disgusting loss against Carolina....at home. This loss against the vikes isnt anywhere near those 2 losses b/c at least the vikes are a potential playoff team. The 2 losses against the teams i mentioned above were against teams that weren't sniffing the playoffs.

You guys need to really calm it down with the hyperbole.

HJam72
12-25-2012, 12:50 PM
I would LOVE to get a better QB than Schaub, but there definitely is NOT one currently on our roster, and top 10, or especially top 5 QBs do not grow on trees. This team won in spite of Yates last year, not because of him, and I'd think his 3 ints. against Baltimore would have proven that to people. That was the only time Kubiak let him air it out and THAT was the result. He has potential, but he is not there yet. Also, benching Schaub right now is about the closest thing I can think of to Kubiak just quitting. Chew him out, reem him a new one, fine; but, you don't bench your only currently good (but not great) QB when you need to win the last game of the season to get HFA.

mike moffat
12-25-2012, 01:11 PM
I would LOVE to get a better QB than Schaub, but there definitely is NOT one currently on our roster, and top 10, or especially top 5 QBs do not grow on trees. This team won in spite of Yates last year, not because of him, and I'd think his 3 ints. against Baltimore would have proven that to people. That was the only time Kubiak let him air it out and THAT was the result. He has potential, but he is not there yet. Also, benching Schaub right now is about the closest thing I can think of to Kubiak just quitting. Chew him out, reem him a new one, fine; but, you don't bench your only currently good (but not great) QB when you need to win the last game of the season to get HFA.

I am not advocating the benching of Schaub. We have to finish the year with what we have on the field. Losing some key defensive people have not helped our situation either. It really hurt us when we lost Cushing.

I am saying that maybe this should be Schaub and Kube's last year as Texans. I agree with others here, maybe they have reached their limits and can't take it to the next level. I hope like hell that they prove me wrong before this season and superbowl is over.

GP
12-25-2012, 01:37 PM
Lol at for the good of the team. The stuff u guys come up with just..:spit:


We backed into the playoffs last year with yates. we had awful losses against the 1-15 colts and had a disgusting loss against Carolina....at home. This loss against the vikes isnt anywhere near those 2 losses b/c at least the vikes are a potential playoff team. The 2 losses against the teams i mentioned above were against teams that weren't sniffing the playoffs.

You guys need to really calm it down with the hyperbole.

For the record, your snarky comments are the same ones made when I said "Ya know, this Patriots game is bad mojo for us. I mean, we're really not going to have good odds going into this game. We need our own A+ effort AND for the Pats to stumble a bit..." I got flamed for saying that. What happened in that game? Everything I said would happen.

And again, in the Vikings game, even two weeks out from that game, I was here saying "The Vikings game is not a sure-win game for us. Far from it. We have a very real chance of napping on them and losing the game, forcing us to win in the last game in order to get HFA. Which could be a real sad thing if we ended up losing OUT..." And we're one loss away from my gut instinct coming true.

And here you are, mocking and jeering like never before.

Hey, if you think YOUR chest-thumping is going to somehow overcome that sick feeling of inevitability that is settling in on us right now...fine. Have a jolly good time with it. For the rest of us, we're looking at this WAY more objectively than you are.

Mussop is attempting to use humor to defuse the a-hole'ish way you're going about this topic, but I won't do the same. I have ZERO humor to bestow here. I will simply say that I seriously your question your ability to understand the key concepts of momentum, historical proofs of this team and how they handle pressure-cooker games, and the way this team has been coached since Kubiak came here.

If you wanted to be objective, you'd stop asserting that people are crazy, people are jumping off cliffs, we are just fine and dandy, there is no reason for concern. But, you won't. You're committed to your position and we are committed to ours.

There is a WAY, maybe we'll call it Namath Miracle, for this team to win out and get a SB. I mean, yes, technically speaking we have a shot...but come on, man, we've seen enough lately to know that it WILL take a series of very fortunate events for this team to rebound and get back into the flow of being really really good like they were prior to the two OT games.

For me, that's where things went funky: After that second OT game, I think we spent a lot of mental toughness there. After that, we haven't looked the same.

mussop
12-25-2012, 01:58 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Matt-Schaub-voted-2012-Ed-Block-Courage-Award-winner/393c7108-bb73-498f-9ac2-cbd962a93667



This has to be a joke...

They obvioulsy gave him the award before the Minnesota game.:foottap:

HJam72
12-25-2012, 02:05 PM
They obvioulsy gave him the award before the Minnesota game.:foottap:

Gotta admit that I would hope so.

Texecutioner
12-25-2012, 02:55 PM
Congratulations Houston "fans."

A man comes back from a career threatening injury and the people closest to him who see his effort every day (his teammates) give him an award.

You take it as an opportunity to slag him.

You get what you have earned.

At this point I am wondering if a lot of our fans even deserve a winner. It's one thing to go nuts on guys like Jacoby Jones and other guys who have never been a consistently good player, but the minute an entire offense plays awful and the QB here gets blasted as if he has stunk it up like David Carr did it just shows no real appreciation for what having a good QB is even like. Hell, you'd think we had Tom Brady for the last 10 years with what the expectations are for our current QB. And the worst part is that Schaub's limitations by his critics have been present for years, but some of his worst critics used to act like he was amazing. Shows what they know really, which isn't much.

Joeycharp89
12-25-2012, 03:32 PM
The way I see it, we've had good weeks and bad weeks on both sides of the ball. I wouldn't throw all the blame on Schaub for that by a long-shot, and I don't get mad at him for not being amazing every week. I've seen every team, and every talented QB have rough patches this season. I just keep on hoping we turn it around in the Play-offs.

Drew Brees went from breaking records to throwing 5 picks for no TDs in one game against the Falcons.

Peyton Manning had a pretty tough day against us earlier this season.

Tom Brady has just been getting hot in the latter part of this season and has been getting help from what I think is an improved run-game.

And there is no way I'd want a Tony Romo or Phillip Rivers running our offense. Schaub may not blow-up opposing defenses every week to bury our opponents, but he neither loses us the game (only rarely) nor does he continually put our team in a bad position.

You can talk all you want about the trends of teams that get hot late, but I'll go ahead and wait and see, then pass judgement once our season is officially over.

Texecutioner
12-25-2012, 03:54 PM
The way I see it, we've had good weeks and bad weeks on both sides of the ball. I wouldn't throw all the blame on Schaub for that by a long-shot, and I don't get mad at him for not being amazing every week. I've seen every team, and every talented QB have rough patches this season. I just keep on hoping we turn it around in the Play-offs.

Drew Brees went from breaking records to throwing 5 picks for no TDs in one game against the Falcons.

Peyton Manning had a pretty tough day against us earlier this season.

Tom Brady has just been getting hot in the latter part of this season and has been getting help from what I think is an improved run-game.

And there is no way I'd want a Tony Romo or Phillip Rivers running our offense. Schaub may not blow-up opposing defenses every week to bury our opponents, but he neither loses us the game (only rarely) nor does he continually put our team in a bad position.

You can talk all you want about the trends of teams that get hot late, but I'll go ahead and wait and see, then pass judgement once our season is officially over.

Great Post!!!

GP
12-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Drew Brees has a bad day about once every five years.

Manning had a tough day against us...since then, has he looked bad???

Schaub is struggling. Has been for several games, most notably the game (Vikings) where he needed to be solid and clutch for us.

I guess those who are amazed at the criticism of Schaub are equaled by those who are amazed that he's being held in the same conversation as Brees and Manning. LOL. Wow.

Texecutioner
12-25-2012, 04:05 PM
Drew Brees has a bad day about once every five years.

Manning had a tough day against us...since then, has he looked bad???

Schaub is struggling. Has been for several games, most notably the game (Vikings) where he needed to be solid and clutch for us.

I guess those who are amazed at the criticism of Schaub are equaled by those who are amazed that he's being held in the same conversation as Brees and Manning. LOL. Wow.

Why are you even comparing him to those guys? Why is a guy who isn't as good as them even being held to that same standard??

With what you expect out of a QB all of a sudden, I think it would be best for you to root for the Texans to completely blow up and become a 1-15 type of team for a few years so we can get top 3 picks every year until we find a "can't miss" type of prospect. Otherwise I don't think that you'll ever be happy with any other QB who isn't elite. And there are typically only 3 to 4 guys like that per year, so we'll probably have to stink for a while before we find a guy that is up to the standards that you are setting.

Maddict5
12-25-2012, 06:29 PM
How much more of Matt Schaub do we have to see, in order to say that this guy is really just a notch or two better than David Carr?

I mean, I don't get it. Other than show competency (something Carr couldn't show) what has Matt Schaub accomplished? Even TJ Yates, the guy who didn't improve a lick from last season, went out there and won us a playoff game and almost pushed us through to the AFCC game too!

Doesn't that say something? If TJ Yates can lead this team and do relatively the same as Matt Schaub, what does that say about Matt Schaub?

I'm sorry, but this QB and this HC are mirror images of one another. They are codependent of one another. They need each other. Hell, they practically are the same person through and through. And with that, there's no higher ceiling.

We're at the top. We've maxed out with these two guys.

That's what has me bummed out. I'm at the top, and there's higher levels above us that we're not going to get to. Sort of depressing, actually. Oh well.

jesus.. what a ridiculous thread overall but as usual GP rattled the loudest...

prob should just ignore it but comparing schaub to carr & yates just sounds dumb. totally different qbs. plus last yr the offence averaged ~10 pts more a game with schaub at qb... which isnt 'relatively the same'

he's played a couple poor games lately (the whole offence has) and he's not elite but we know what we're getting by now. give him some semblence of time and he can get the job done still. hes proven before that he can be the focal pt of a successful offence in 09-10 when we couldnt run a lick. hes done the same at times this yr when we needed rescuing that ppl have chosen to ignore (jags, lions) but now that hes failed v the pats & vikes, hes getting killed.

imo the o-line have played really, really poorly lately (and had a below avg yr overall) and with an immobile qb like schaub, thats a deathknell. he doesnt need a run game to be effective but he does need protection... and hes not been getting it so has struggled.

it will be tough to find an upgrade on schaub. it'll be alot easier to upgrade the o-line to get this offence back to its machine like efficiency its been since schaub got here. thats the bigger cause of the recent offensive funk we've seen

GP
12-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Why are you even comparing him to those guys? Why is a guy who isn't as good as them even being held to that same standard??

With what you expect out of a QB all of a sudden, I think it would be best for you to root for the Texans to completely blow up and become a 1-15 type of team for a few years so we can get top 3 picks every year until we find a "can't miss" type of prospect. Otherwise I don't think that you'll ever be happy with any other QB who isn't elite. And there are typically only 3 to 4 guys like that per year, so we'll probably have to stink for a while before we find a guy that is up to the standards that you are setting.

I am not comparing him, others are! LMAO!

When other posters toss in Brees and Manning in the same conversation, saying those two guys have bad days--to bring Schaub's bad games into the same conversation--that is not MY idea, it's theirs. Read the posts, Tex. Geez.

The guy looks LOST. And not just one shaky game. He's had one vs. Packers, one vs. Patriots, got a freebie vs. the Titans, and looked his ultimate worst vs. Vikings (in our own stadium, nonetheless).

But hey, yeah...GP is crazy. Just remember: I was the one getting flamed for my predictions about the Patriots game. I was the one getting flamed for my predictions and warnings about the Vikings game. Who among you thought we'd lose to the Vikings???? Huh? That's what I thought.

Ya' know what, everyone, go ahead. Dream yourself into believing that Matt is OK. But he's not. And frankly, he's one shell-shocked moment in the early part of the Colts game away from going full-on head case. You can see it all over the guy, if people wouldn't try so hard to believe otherwise.

He's got that whole body language look to him, it's Kris Brown syndrome...when a guy knows he's not right but he HAS to be out there.

I swear, part of me just wishes we'd go ahead and have to play in the first round and just get this **** over with. I don't know if I can stand everyone pretending they don't see anything wrong or that this is just a passing phase that will be long forgotten after we "beat" the Colts in their house (which we've never done, which will be attempted after having gotten our brains beat out by ourselves and the Vikings last Sunday). Yeah, we got those Colts and the rest of the AFC playoff teams right where we want 'em.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/clark%20griswold.jpg

Textan
12-26-2012, 04:18 AM
I am not comparing him, others are! LMAO!

When other posters toss in Brees and Manning in the same conversation, saying those two guys have bad days--to bring Schaub's bad games into the same conversation--that is not MY idea, it's theirs. Read the posts, Tex. Geez.

The guy looks LOST. And not just one shaky game. He's had one vs. Packers, one vs. Patriots, got a freebie vs. the Titans, and looked his ultimate worst vs. Vikings (in our own stadium, nonetheless).

But hey, yeah...GP is crazy. Just remember: I was the one getting flamed for my predictions about the Patriots game. I was the one getting flamed for my predictions and warnings about the Vikings game. Who among you thought we'd lose to the Vikings???? Huh? That's what I thought.

Ya' know what, everyone, go ahead. Dream yourself into believing that Matt is OK. But he's not. And frankly, he's one shell-shocked moment in the early part of the Colts game away from going full-on head case. You can see it all over the guy, if people wouldn't try so hard to believe otherwise.

He's got that whole body language look to him, it's Kris Brown syndrome...when a guy knows he's not right but he HAS to be out there.

I swear, part of me just wishes we'd go ahead and have to play in the first round and just get this **** over with. I don't know if I can stand everyone pretending they don't see anything wrong or that this is just a passing phase that will be long forgotten after we "beat" the Colts in their house (which we've never done, which will be attempted after having gotten our brains beat out by ourselves and the Vikings last Sunday). Yeah, we got those Colts and the rest of the AFC playoff teams right where we want 'em.


GP has become my official spokesperson in regards to Schaub's ineptness. :bravo:
There's something terribly wrong with Schaub. Couldn't agree more. And if anyone believes this guy will take us to the promise land, disillusionment will surely come your way.
I'll say it again; for Schaub to be somewhat successful all facets of the offense have to run just about flawlessly. Because, and even you Schaub supporters will agree, just a hair of pressure, a smidgen, will set him on a course for sure disaster. Scramble out of the pocket, forget about it. You know this last game I watched about three sacks that I could have sworn Schaub actually fell down before the threat was an undeniable fact. Just fell, fetal position and all.
I too watched the Oilers from the early 70's until they left, and I don't want to see the same endless heart break, frustration, and anger with these Texans.

Scooter
12-26-2012, 04:36 AM
4,000 yards on a run first team, a better than 2-1 TD/INT ratio, and 12+ wins ... all after an injury that should've had him on the PUP, if he were able to play again at all (dude's foot got turned into an accordion). good call.

infantrycak
12-26-2012, 01:30 PM
I'll say it again; for Schaub to be somewhat successful all facets of the offense have to run just about flawlessly.

Do some of you even think? With a crap running game in a system predicated on play action passing where "the D has to respect the running game" Schaub led the league in passing. There is some legitimate criticism and discussion going on but the hyperbole is drowning it out.

Mr teX
12-26-2012, 01:35 PM
Do some of you even think? With a crap running game in a system predicated on play action passing where "the D has to respect the running game" Schaub led the league in passing. There is some legitimate criticism and discussion going on but the hyperbole is drowning it out.

yep & lets not even talk about 2009 when he had 0 running game: 4000 yds passing 29/12 TD/int

Rey
12-26-2012, 02:41 PM
John Kitna once had back to back 4,000 yard seasons with a bad running game too.

I think Schaub is a little better than Kitna though. Kitna made a lot of mistakes.

infantrycak
12-26-2012, 03:36 PM
John Kitna once had back to back 4,000 yard seasons with a bad running game too.

Missed the point entirely. The assertion I was responding to, you can see it because it is quoted, was everything had to be perfect for Schaub to have any success.

Rey
12-26-2012, 03:49 PM
Missed the point entirely. The assertion I was responding to, you can see it because it is quoted, was everything had to be perfect for Schaub to have any success.

My point was that lots of QB's can throw for a lot of yards if they get enough attempts.

NitroGSXR
12-26-2012, 03:51 PM
My point was that lots of QB's can throw for a lot of yards if they get enough attempts.

It's not that he needed the attempts. He got the yards because he was dropping bombs downfield. Schaub was often leading the league in 20+ yard and 40+ yard passes. His play action gets bit more any anyone else. He is a MASTER at it.

infantrycak
12-26-2012, 04:05 PM
My point was that lots of QB's can throw for a lot of yards if they get enough attempts.

Which would almost be meaningful if lots of QB's were doing it or Schaub was getting an unusual number of attempts - neither of which is true.

Rey
12-26-2012, 04:22 PM
Which would almost be meaningful if lots of QB's were doing it or Schaub was getting an unusual number of attempts - neither of which is true.

Since 2002 7 different QB's have led the league in passing.

Culpepper
Gannon
Schaub
Manning
Brady
Brees
Rivers

In 10 years 7 different guys. What did all of these QB's have in common when they did it?

A bunch of attempts. Some were much more efficient than others while doing it, but my point is that leading the yards in passing is not some kind of ultimate accomplishment in itself.

Is that what Schaub has to hang his hat on? A couple of 4,000 yard seasons when we sucked and he was throwing the ball more than everyone else?

infantrycak
12-26-2012, 04:38 PM
Since 2002 7 different QB's have led the league in passing.

Culpepper
Gannon
Schaub
Manning
Brady
Brees
Rivers

In 10 years 7 different guys. What did all of these QB's have in common when they did it?

A bunch of attempts. Some were much more efficient than others while doing it, but my point is that leading the yards in passing is not some kind of ultimate accomplishment in itself.

Is that what Schaub has to hang his hat on? A couple of 4,000 yard seasons when we sucked and he was throwing the ball more than everyone else?

Wow. OK Schaub was not slinging it around on every play. The scheme has been very consistent. With no rushing game - 583 attempts. With the league's best rusher - 574 attempts. He has been on a 4000 yd type pace for five seasons in a row which as you may have noticed includes two playoff seasons. Talk to the run first people and work this out.

Rey
12-26-2012, 04:43 PM
Wow. OK Schaub was not slinging it around on every play. The scheme has been very consistent. With no rushing game - 583 attempts. With the league's best rusher - 574 attempts. He has been on a 4000 yd type pace for five seasons in a row which as you may have noticed includes two playoff seasons. Talk to the run first people and work this out.



I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that the more possessions you have the more plays you can run.

We have a better defense that has given us the ball more often. So I'd expect the total amount of plays to have grown as well.

And if you want to talk to the run first people you need to talk to Kubiak because he's the one that keeps saying that our passing game doesn't work well when we aren't running it well. He's the one that says it starts with the running game...

thunderkyss
12-26-2012, 09:24 PM
What if Matt is paying through incredibe pain?

Think maybe this would be the reason for his teammates to give him this award? What if his "regression" has been due to increasing complications from his injury?

If this is true (even though I don't see it, he looks fine to me) that may be the "what's wrong with our offense?"

infantrycak
12-26-2012, 09:44 PM
I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that the more possessions you have the more plays you can run.

We have a better defense that has given us the ball more often. So I'd expect the total amount of plays to have grown as well.

I guess you are such a Texan historian you didn't spot the reference to 2009 and 2010 in which our defense was middling and then horrible.

But let's examine your theory, offensive plays:

1043 - 2009 mediocre defense
1029 - 2010 crap defense
1046 - 2011 really good defense

Man those are some wild swings. That is 1 qtr of football over the course of a season or to put it another way 1 play per game - hardly a stat padding dynamic.. Want to try another theory on? You can stick another "you're smart enough" comment in.

Texecutioner
12-26-2012, 10:17 PM
I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that the more possessions you have the more plays you can run.

We have a better defense that has given us the ball more often. So I'd expect the total amount of plays to have grown as well.

And if you want to talk to the run first people you need to talk to Kubiak because he's the one that keeps saying that our passing game doesn't work well when we aren't running it well. He's the one that says it starts with the running game...

More possessions hasn't exactly added to a much higher % of pass plays. We have ran the ball into an oblivion this season. Kubiak gets a two possession lead by the 2nd half and all he does is run the ball with an occasional down the field play action pass. Schaub's numbers have been down actually due to the success of the running game's ability to milk the clock with early leads. Our entire success for this offense is predicated off the run with how KUbiak wants it to work.

Mr teX
12-26-2012, 11:30 PM
I guess you are such a Texan historian you didn't spot the reference to 2009 and 2010 in which our defense was middling and then horrible.

But let's examine your theory, offensive plays:

1043 - 2009 mediocre defense
1029 - 2010 crap defense
1046 - 2011 really good defense

Man those are some wild swings. That is 1 qtr of football over the course of a season or to put it another way 1 play per game - hardly a stat padding dynamic.. Want to try another theory on? You can stick another "you're smart enough" comment in.

It's to the point now where guys will say anything not to give this guy any credit for anything he or this team does. He plays well..."oh, well the offense is qb friendly, anybody could put up the stats he's putting up"..he plays badly "the offense sucks b/c schaub sucks...." It's ridiculous.

Textan
12-27-2012, 04:03 AM
Do some of you even think? With a crap running game in a system predicated on play action passing where "the D has to respect the running game" Schaub led the league in passing. There is some legitimate criticism and discussion going on but the hyperbole is drowning it out.

That holds true if you're talking about past seasons, but this year our running game is ranked 7th in the league. Are you saying the D doesn't respect Foster or Tate?
Not sure what you're saying, other than proving my original idea that every facet of the offense has to almost be flawless for this non-scrambling QB to be somewhat good?
Pressure = Schaub not being good.

Rey
12-27-2012, 10:32 AM
Man those are some wild swings. That is 1 qtr of football over the course of a season or to put it another way 1 play per game - hardly a stat padding dynamic.. Want to try another theory on? You can stick another "you're smart enough" comment in.

Do you understand that from 2010 (bad defense) to 2011 (good defense) we had over 100 less pass attempts. In 2010 Arian was 2nd in YAC with over 600 yards of yards after making a catch. In other years it's been Andre Johnson. Every year since 2008 we've had someone in the top six in YAC. No other team has done that. Only other team to come close is the PATS with Welker.

I'll let you do the math on that one. Also, one thing Matt Schaub has consistently had that I haven't seen other top passers always have is a guy that is in the top 6 in Yards after Catch.



And I don't know where you are getting your numbers from but I have us with 1018 plays in 2009 from nfl.com.

mussop
12-28-2012, 02:46 AM
Do some of you even think? With a crap running game in a system predicated on play action passing where "the D has to respect the running game" Schaub led the league in passing. There is some legitimate criticism and discussion going on but the hyperbole is drowning it out.

Who gives a rats ars what Schaub was able to do in the past. Do you really believe he is still the same player he was then? Do you not see the difference in his play since the injury. Have you not watched him regress all year? Defending him by bringing up his past numbers is irrelevant because his ability to perform at that level has diminished progressively since his injury.

This is not the same Matt Sschaub. He can still play well as long as other facets of the offense are doing well. He plays off them. The problem is that other teams know this now and are going to load up to stop our running game and put pressure on him. When that happens its game over.

Watch Indy do exactly that. I don't know if they have the personnel to be successful but it's the formula to beat us. When we get to the playoffs I expect anyone and everyone we face to use it.

tedr
12-28-2012, 09:25 AM
I think Schaub deserves a chance to show what he can do in the playoffs before he's declared unfit to lead this team.

Hervoyel
12-28-2012, 09:59 AM
I think Schaub deserves a chance to show what he can do in the playoffs before he's declared unfit to lead this team.

And he will most certainly get it. Then we'll all argue about what it "meant" regardless of whether he plays well or plays poorly for the rest of the year or at least until next season gets underway.

C Madd
12-28-2012, 11:13 PM
How I feel about all the Schaub hating posts and threads:

https://themoviejudge.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/i-feel-like-im-taking-crazy-pills.gif

tedr
12-29-2012, 11:46 AM
I think you deserve a chance to never post again before you never post again.

Because I expressed my opinion?

Thorn
12-29-2012, 12:52 PM
I think you deserve a chance to never post again before you never post again.

The man has an opinion, he can express it. Besides which, peoples minds change over time. I was a real Schaub hater when we first got him, but I've changed my mind since. Below is a post I made years ago after the trade. I'm just using it to illustrate how people can post stuff that later they disagree with themselves on. It happens.

I hate to interrupt everyone’s happiness, but so far I am still more impressed with Sage that Schwab. Considering the price we paid for him at any rate.

Ok, yall can crucify me now. I’m going for another beer anyway. http://http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I got some negative rep for that one. Turns out they were right. LOL

ObsiWan
12-29-2012, 01:05 PM
I think you deserve a chance to never post again before you never post again.What does that even mean?

thunderkyss
12-29-2012, 02:56 PM
I got some negative rep for that one. Turns out they were right. LOL

Not necessarily. Kubiak simply decided to hitch his wagon to a different horse.

76Texan
12-29-2012, 05:52 PM
First, I was trying to be funny, but actually it doesn't make sense to say a guy who sucks in the regular season deserves a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. He has already proven what he is. If suddenly he plays like a top notch QB in the playoffs that would say to me that he was just coasting and didnt really care during the season.

Ask Eli Manning.
The first time the Giants won the SB, their regular season record was 10-6.
They went 3-3 in the division.
Eli had the lowest Qb rating in his career, except for his rookie year when he didn't play much
He threw 20 INTs and 23 Tds.
Yeah he sucked.

The second time, he went 9-7 in the regular season.

The other 3 times, when the Giants had much better regular season records, he lost the first play-off game every time.

thunderkyss
12-29-2012, 07:37 PM
First, I was trying to be funny, but actually it doesn't make sense to say a guy who sucks in the regular season deserves a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. He has already proven what he is. If suddenly he plays like a top notch QB in the playoffs that would say to me that he was just coasting and didnt really care during the season.

I am not convinced that Schaub "sucks" in the regular season. I agree he isn't elite, but I've always said that was because he needs to pad the W column. All the other stats are there. He's played well, more times than not.

& I'm by no means a Schaub fan. I'd take Romo before Schaub if I was building a team. But it is what it is. He takes us on a sweet play-off run, get a couple of play-off victories under his belt, continue to play the way he has last season & this season..... other people will start calling him elite.

tedr
12-29-2012, 08:28 PM
First, I was trying to be funny, but actually it doesn't make sense to say a guy who sucks in the regular season deserves a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. He has already proven what he is. If suddenly he plays like a top notch QB in the playoffs that would say to me that he was just coasting and didnt really care during the season.

I guess you and I have different definitions of "sucks". I don't think anyone could objectively say Schaub has "sucked" this year. He's had a few subpar games, but he's done a pretty decent job.

I was going to bring up Eli Manning in 2007, but that's been done now. Nobody knows how Matt will perform in the playoffs, but, yeah, I think he's earned a chance to show what he's got. Also, I don't think there's any question he's earned his teammates' respect. That says a lot to me.

Texan_Bill
12-29-2012, 08:48 PM
Why wouldn't he be?? There have been many a players that never came back from a "lins-franc" injury...

Fortunately: Matt Schaub has made it back!!



UNFORTUNATELY: Doc Jean called it it whenever he mentioned that Schaub's performance would take a "down-turn" based on the nature of the injury...

Me.... Personally?? I hope Doc Jean is wrong........ For once!!

ObsiWan
12-29-2012, 09:41 PM
Why wouldn't he be?? There have been many a players that never came back from a "lins-franc" injury...

Fortunately: Matt Schaub has made it back!!



UNFORTUNATELY: Doc Jean called it it whenever he mentioned that Schaub's performance would take a "down-turn" based on the nature of the injury...

Me.... Personally?? I hope Doc Jean is wrong........ For once!!

...if only Doc knew how to transplant Schaub's experience and decision-making into Yates' younger body...
:gamer:

Surreal McCoy
12-30-2012, 07:43 AM
not matts strong point.

In fact its one of the issues with him ... Throwing into double and triple coverage or dumping the ball off two yards down the field when they need ten yards on third down.

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