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throwANDREtheBALL
06-12-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm really curious as to what everyone thinks we are in dire need of.

I've heard LT a lot. And TE, and some think just Mckinney needs to be replaced.

Do you think we need a SS ?

#2 WR ?

I want as many to vote as possible so we know what the fans really perceive as the biggest area of concern.

Panther5407
06-12-2005, 07:26 PM
LT, no doubt about it. Carr spends way to much time in the dirt.

HardKnockTexan
06-12-2005, 07:31 PM
Tight End
A solid #2 wide reciever
Center
Left Tackle

D-ReK
06-12-2005, 07:34 PM
If we had a good center, it would make the rest of the line look much better...McKinney consistently gets pushed backwards, therefore there's no pocket for Carr to step into...If there was pocket, when the tackle got beat by a rusher, they would be able to just push the rusher wide with little risk of having the rusher sack Carr...

texasguy346
06-12-2005, 07:40 PM
I think we need a TE the most, and then a C, and then a LT. I think Wand will improve, and he'll be serviceable until we can find a better option. McKinney is a weakness, but until someone is able to unseat him we'll have to get used to him being there. I hope Hogdon ends up pushing McKinney for the starting spot next season, but I doubt he makes a serious push this season. I'd really like to see us have a solid and reliable TE. I thought that BJ would be that this year, but obviously he won't. I'd be surprised if we don't address that at some point in the offseason next year whether it be through the draft of FA.

nunusguy
06-12-2005, 07:53 PM
If we had a good center, it would make the rest of the line look much better...McKinney consistently gets pushed backwards
I dunno...this Hodgdon guy might push McKinney for his job - I can only hope. You know all of our division opponents are 4-3 Ds (last I heard atleast, so many converting to 3-4), which means our center is uncovered and going across the los after a LB much of the plays; the ARState rookie is a smallish, quick center I've read and might be suited for being an effective center in our OL. Just one more thing for us to keep our eyes on in training camp.

BillsFan
06-12-2005, 08:02 PM
a #1 runningback

texasguy346
06-12-2005, 08:06 PM
a #1 runningback

Nice try, but the Texans were not interested in Henry.

Tha rock
06-12-2005, 10:34 PM
I think you guys need an O-Line the most.

Hervoyel
06-13-2005, 12:02 AM
I can't honestly say that the Texans are in "dire need" of anything on your list. The days of being in dire need are over. Of the choices you have up there I see a few that could upgrade this team.

A franchise LT would immediatly improve the team as would an honest to goodness 1500-1600 yard per year RB (that's not a choice however).

A lot of teams out there could say the same thing. The Texans aren't any thinner than the majority of the NFL.

After the LT and RB I'd say a healthy catching AND blocking TE would make a big impact. We need one of those. Then a Center. Finally the rest of your list all comes in as a big tie. We don't "need" any of those but of course it's always good to try and upgrade.

sprtsfanatic
06-13-2005, 11:36 AM
If we had a good center, it would make the rest of the line look much better...McKinney consistently gets pushed backwards, therefore there's no pocket for Carr to step into...If there was pocket, when the tackle got beat by a rusher, they would be able to just push the rusher wide with little risk of having the rusher sack Carr...

I totally agree with D-Rek on this one....Mckinney gets beat way too often up the middle and has Carr roll out into a sack way too often....but now that BJ is out for yet another season...I think the TE position is another huge need....but I would work on getting a REAL center on the line and then see how it effects the rest of the o-line...it would do wonders for Carr and Co. if we could solve that positon problem.

beerlover
06-13-2005, 12:03 PM
I totally agree with D-Rek on this one....Mckinney gets beat way too often up the middle and has Carr roll out into a sack way too often....but now that BJ is out for yet another season...I think the TE position is another huge need....but I would work on getting a REAL center on the line and then see how it effects the rest of the o-line...it would do wonders for Carr and Co. if we could solve that positon problem.

If the Texans felt this to be true they could have kept trading down in the 1st round aquiring multiple draft picks then selected David Baas much like Vinny did in the first mock draft (05) exacuted right here. They seemed only interested in a LT.

Another factor was they expected BJ to finally stay healthy enough to become their starting TE. Now of course its going to be very difficult for him to ever reach the promising potential Casserly once thought of him. In hindsight picking Heath Miller would have made alot of sense but the Texans will have to address this need in next years draft.

The name I see mentioned the most as the 1st round pick in 2006 of the Texans is Texas OT Jonathan Scott (not a center or TE). If the Texans sign Verba however, along with Wand the Texans should have a solid tackle by committee for next season. In this case TE would be the #1 need (05).

done88
06-13-2005, 12:07 PM
What we need the most is a superbowl win.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-13-2005, 08:59 PM
I still think a good Center would help the most.

Fiddy
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
People have won me over on the arguement that we need a center the most. It is hard for Wand and Wade to use their long reach and and ride DEs out of plays when Carr has nowhere to step up. I would love to see a new center.

jr0ck
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
my vote also goes to an above average center :cool:

TexansTrueFan
06-13-2005, 10:09 PM
tight end helps running game and passing game.

Texans Pride
06-13-2005, 10:21 PM
For me it's a toss up between LT and a quality TE. I'll take either.

Next would be a center.

Finally, I'd like to see what our wide receiver crew could do if we had that LT and TE to give Carr sometime, and take some pressure off of the receivers (I'm speaking of the TE on the latter portion). I really think we could be ok at this spot with the growth of our veterans, and the additions of our rookies.

Texans Pride
06-13-2005, 10:23 PM
What we need the most is a superbowl win.


And we are going to get that with the addition of what?????

Vinny
06-13-2005, 10:27 PM
Wins :)

Texans Pride
06-13-2005, 10:30 PM
Wins :)


Wow, clever Vinny. Hopefully the coaches and the team have that same philosophy!

Hey, where have you been, haven't seen you here lately.

TexansNeedRBin05
06-13-2005, 10:39 PM
I voted Tight End by why is RB not up there? Thats crazy! :confused:

Texans Pride
06-13-2005, 10:45 PM
I voted Tight End by why is RB not up there? Thats crazy! :confused:


Dude, you are too focused on a running back; your name says it all. We've got Davis, who won ROTY, and who's rushed for over 1000 yards each season. I'm not saying he's Emmit Smith, but he's getting the job done.

We also drafted a running back in the draft; let's see what this guy does before we scream he sucks too.

bigtex77
06-13-2005, 10:46 PM
I voted Tight End by why is RB not up there? Thats crazy! :confused:

Because we already have a RB that has proven himself, regardless of what you may think.

Well TexansPride already said it, I typed too slow!!

Hervoyel
06-13-2005, 11:00 PM
I've come to the conclusion that what we need most is for the season to start.

texasguy346
06-13-2005, 11:22 PM
I've come to the conclusion that what we need most is for the season to start.

I second that.

281
06-13-2005, 11:44 PM
I went with a complete TE.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-16-2005, 11:23 AM
Maybe LT wouldn't be up there if we had an offensive co-ordinator that had more knowledge of pass-blocking ?

Just MAYBE, though

wrestler4life
06-16-2005, 11:30 AM
Maybe LT wouldn't be up there if we had an offensive co-ordinator that had more knowledge of pass-blocking ?

Just MAYBE, though

Does it matter that he is not knowledgeable? If guys can't block the guy in front of them, no matter what the scheme is, then it should fall on the individual.
If we are in trouble because more guys are coming than we have to block them, then that falls on the coordinator.

disaacks3
06-16-2005, 11:54 AM
For me it's a toss up between LT and a quality TE. I'll take either.

Next would be a center.

Finally, I'd like to see what our wide receiver crew could do if we had that LT and TE to give Carr sometime, and take some pressure off of the receivers (I'm speaking of the TE on the latter portion). I really think we could be ok at this spot with the growth of our veterans, and the additions of our rookies. I'm pretty in line with your feelings on this one. The current three-step drop & throw is a stop-gap measure at best to keep Carr from injury. By switching to that system (3 & throw), the Texans are basically acknowledging that they aren't expecting the OL to be dramatically better.

Comparing our sack stats against other teams, without including details such as # of steps in the drop, QB "hurries", etc. in the mix can be very misleading. When Carr has the time, he's definitely 'above average' for a QB, but he's either never had the time, nor enough WRs/TEs that can spread the defense effectively to really show it.

I can't wait for the season to start either! :drool:

Vinny
06-16-2005, 11:56 AM
I'm pretty in line with your feelings on this one. The current three-step drop & throw is a stop-gap measure at best to keep Carr from injury. By switching to that system (3 & throw), the Texans are basically acknowledging that they aren't expecting the OL to be dramatically better.They really aren't adopting a new "system". They are just doing more timing patterns and less run and shoot type read and react type patterns.

cadahnic
06-16-2005, 12:08 PM
Vinny what is your stance on C. Palmer. I do not think he is a bad O. Coordinator, but not exactly the right fit for a team with our particular skills and shortcummings. I think he would be a great fit in say Cincinatti, but I think we need to adopt a more west-coast offense. A hybrid more in the mold of the Raiders. I like there run-first, play-action, and downfield strike play. I think we have the components for that. With Gaff being the perfect inside slant and possession receiver that type of offense needs. Tell me what you think...

Vinny
06-16-2005, 12:11 PM
Palmer is a Raiders style coordinator (they chunked the wco btw), and is in no way a wco guy. That is his big knock....He has too many long developing patterns and runs too vertical an offense. It worked great in Jacksonville though. Palmers offense was the best in the NFL at Jacksonville where they tore up the NFL with Brunell, Smith and Taylor. I think most people are just upset we struggled like an expansion team. I don't see our offense as bad. We were pretty much .500 last year and are on course for a big year this year. I think people want it all...and want it all yesterday.

disaacks3
06-16-2005, 12:21 PM
They really aren't adopting a new "system". They are just doing more timing patterns and less run and shoot type read and react type patterns. That's because the Texans haven't had the TIME to do a read & react offense. Using a 3-Step drop as the "primary" passing configuration isn't common at all throughtout the league...even by teams whose OL is supposedly ranked 'lower' than the Texans unit.

Vinny
06-16-2005, 12:23 PM
They are ADDING in the routes, not changing the scheme. Also, the run and shoot routes can be as quick as the other routes, but the timing routes have more precision. Most of the offense will not change.

Hervoyel
06-16-2005, 04:04 PM
I think people want it all...and want it all yesterday.

Um, day before yesterday please and could you Super Size the win column for me?

U4ikrob
06-16-2005, 05:31 PM
I think people want it all...and want it all yesterday.

Today would be just as good Vinny :rolleyes:

IMO dont necessarily see that were on course for a bigger year. But I think this year to use a poker term is a push for us.

On Topic - I went LT - To me it's a position we have needed to solidify since the team started and has never been settled. I dont see us really improving or going back down too far this year. Still more than a few areas of concern to address. But enough talent on the team to be a .500 ballclub again this year. I'm sticking with my 8-8 pick for this season.

jacquescas
06-16-2005, 06:31 PM
I think the one thing people overlook is the overall age of the starting units on both sides of the ball, all still very young still developing so an extra offseason will only help. Continunity is also very important and we will have that with our offense.

On the topic at hand i think its the left tackle position. we at least have someone on the roster although injured that could be the answer at tight end, there isn't necesarily that on our roster for the left tackle position, Wand is still leaps and bounds away but is improving.

cred
06-21-2005, 03:21 PM
just a question, but what year is Joppru in with his contract, and if it is near the RFA or UFA mark do we extend his stay in H-town or do we cut our losses and try someone new. I honestly was looking forward to seeing what he could, as well as thought that there was no way he could go down for a 3rd "straight" year.

YoungTexanFan
06-21-2005, 04:34 PM
it is clear that if we are to go by need only and not the all star team we all dream of, we only have a few needs:
TE: no forseeable hope for this year.
C: same deal.

the position i would most like to see us upgrade besides those is FS. I like colemen but he is old and gets burnt too often.

DD is a proven 1000+ rusher and morency is a clone. RB is not a need or close to it.

#2 WR: not a need, we are stacked. you can chose speed or hands and we have it. gaffeny and armstrong for hands. mathis for speed. we aren't going to draft a wr in the first couple of rounds to just run next to AJ. We are set at reciever. We really only need a TE and C.

mmontgo
06-22-2005, 05:59 PM
Franchise LT first...this would add 50-75 yards per game in total offense and account for 3-5 more TDs over the season, which would add one - two more wins for certain.

Another WR option for Carr whether #2 received or TE who can catch...either would work, though I would love to have a premier tight end to runs dunks to.

Next, Premier Safety.

sakebomb
06-23-2005, 07:22 AM
I need about three or four votes for this question.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-23-2005, 11:36 AM
The question is what do we need the MOST ?

Not, what do we need?

cuz, I know that we need a lot.....but, I was trying to clear it up for the Front Office, so they don't get confused and sign another linebacker, instead of Bubba Franks or an O-lineman that can play C or LT.

Big B Texan Fan
06-23-2005, 11:49 AM
The question is what do we need the MOST ?

Not, what do we need?

cuz, I know that we need a lot.....but, I was trying to clear it up for the Front Office, so they don't get confused and sign another linebacker, instead of Bubba Franks or an O-lineman that can play C or LT.
Is Franks really available. If so, why are we not pursuing?

infantrycak
06-23-2005, 11:56 AM
Is Franks really available. If so, why are we not pursuing?

Technically yes, but realistically no. The Packers have transition tagged him which means they have a right to match but do not get any compensation if they choose not to do so. Nonetheless, Franks has made it pretty plain in interviews and by action that he wants to play for the Packers and is not really entertaining offers until such time as he concludes he can't work something out with the Packers.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-23-2005, 12:06 PM
Money Talks...........If the Texans offer him a good deal, do you really think that he's going to say, "No thanks, I'm going to wait until the Packers offer me something lesser"

?


I don't think so, but, maybe.

And the Packers are reportedly cash-strapped......so if Tight End was a concern with Casserly and Company, don't you think that they would've already offered Franks a deal ?

infantrycak
06-23-2005, 12:14 PM
Money Talks...........If the Texans offer him a good deal, do you really think that he's going to say, "No thanks, I'm going to wait until the Packers offer me something lesser"

So basically go throw so much money at him, i.e. above market price, that he can't say no to. Great way to manage the cap.

Big B Texan Fan
06-23-2005, 12:14 PM
Ya know, I'm recalling Casserly saying that we weren't gonna be BIG movers and shakers in free agency this year. Although Franks isn't technically a FA I'm sure it falls under the same category. Greenwood and P-Buc so far, that's probably it. I read an article on the CBA and maybe the Texans are waiting for a new CBA B-4 they move on anyone else.

Big B Texan Fan
06-23-2005, 12:14 PM
Technically yes, but realistically no. The Packers have transition tagged him which means they have a right to match but do not get any compensation if they choose not to do so. Nonetheless, Franks has made it pretty plain in interviews and by action that he wants to play for the Packers and is not really entertaining offers until such time as he concludes he can't work something out with the Packers.
Thanx

Vinny
06-23-2005, 02:27 PM
Damage control? We are coming off a solid season where we made huge improvements across the board and are ready to compete for the playoffs this year. It is amazing you chicken littles can't see it.

TEXANRED
06-23-2005, 02:34 PM
What we need is for the earth to open and swollow indi

Vinny
06-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Frankly, I enjoy the fact we have a powerful team in our division. I've enjoyed watching a team being built to compete with them from scratch as an infant. Seems like most of you guys would rather not see the build...but only want the end result...right now.

geofb
06-23-2005, 02:44 PM
We are coming off a solid season where we made huge improvements across the board and are ready to compete for the playoffs this year.

If compete means we won't be mathematically eliminated until 2-3 games left in the season, then maybe. But, being realistic, we have no real shot at the playoffs this year.

Vinny
06-23-2005, 02:55 PM
Absolutely amazing. Are our fans THAT out of touch? We do have a shot at the playoffs. The Browns were 7-9 in 2002 and went to the playoffs in 2003 (we are a better them than the 2003 Browns). Last year the Steelers went 15-1 after a 6-10 year. Seems our fans don't grasp this kind of stuff.

Blake
06-23-2005, 03:15 PM
I guess people learn nothing from teams like San Diego, Tampa Bay, and even New England.

San Diego screams into the playoffs a year after running a 4-12 season.

Teams can turn it around just like that.

There is more factors to making the playoffs than who we didnt sign.

Vinny
06-23-2005, 03:17 PM
We may sit around .500 for a couple of years (including last year) but to say we have no shot at the playoffs is just ridiculous. We have as good a shot as any team outside of 4-5 elite teams.

Diehardtexan
06-23-2005, 03:23 PM
Absolutely amazing. Are our fans THAT out of touch? We do have a shot at the playoffs. The Browns were 7-9 in 2002 and went to the playoffs in 2003 (we are a better them than the 2003 Browns). Last year the Steelers went 15-1 after a 6-10 year. Seems our fans don't grasp this kind of stuff.

I think this year's team is the best team we have so far, last year was a new year for our team with the blocking scheme and new OL ( three new starters and two cahnged positions. The DL was banged up and too many new defensive starters and changed positions every where. This is the year that they will get it together and gel on both sides. The playoffs aren't that far from reality, give it time people.:brickwall

geofb
06-23-2005, 04:24 PM
We may sit around .500 for a couple of years (including last year) but to say we have no shot at the playoffs is just ridiculous. We have as good a shot as any team outside of 4-5 elite teams.

We'll see who eats crow in December. To make the playoffs we will need to finish ahead of either the Colts or Jags (as well as not fall behind the Titans). Very unlikely that happens. There are valid reasons why the oddsmakers show us only winning 7 or 8 games this year. We certainly aren't among the elite teams in the AFC in 2005. To say we are is just homerism.

Vinny
06-23-2005, 04:37 PM
If you read what I typed I never mentioned we were an elite team. My post wasn't easy to misunderstand either.

TEXANRED
06-23-2005, 05:24 PM
Vinny-Geofb dont make me put the two of you into time out. :)

Now I can understand Geofb saying that we wont finish ahead of the colts but to say that the f@guars will finish ahead of the Texans is silly.

And to use what others say about the Texans and how we will only win 8-7 games keep this in mind. Sitting in front of the T.V. I actually heard paid pro football comintators, predict, the Titans(4-12?) to go to the superbowl. Despite the fact they lost half the team. Why? Because the year before McNair was co-MVP and they went to the playoffs. Of course commintators are going to say negative things about the Texans until the Texans show them somthing. And for some fans in this town (and this is not a negative) are the same way. Show me somthing.

So what the Texans need more than anything? For them to show us somthing.

disaacks3
06-23-2005, 05:45 PM
Damage control? We are coming off a solid season where we made huge improvements across the board and are ready to compete for the playoffs this year. It is amazing you chicken littles can't see it. I don't think the "sky is falling", but I don't expect a dramatic improvement in the team either. Last season hardly seemed "solid" to me. The team had several "give up" games and then ended on that wonderful 'high note' against the Browns at home. I don't necessarily equate that with "Huge Improvemnts across the board", given that the 2003 Texans played BOTH Superbowl contenders close (beating one and taking the other to OT).

We've made no dramatic changes to the O-Line & TE positions, despite glaring needs on both. How no changes = improvement is a concept I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around. Is it possible that the line improves in time (like wine) into a finer product than it was before? Perhaps, though it may just as likely end up being vinegar! :brickwall

For the record, letting Sharper go wasn't an issue with me (I felt we needed more speed at the position), but I'd really have felt better with Glenn in the house as a mentor to D-Rob and P-Buch.

Vinny
06-23-2005, 05:55 PM
I don't think the "sky is falling", but I don't expect a dramatic improvement in the team either. Last season hardly seemed "solid" to me.I think there is some middle ground in the Chicken Little and the Homer positions. Last year we were coming off a year where we were statistically one of the worst in football in many areas. Last season we were productive enough to climb into the middle ranks when it came to offensive production, and had the shot at the .500 year going into week 17 as a 3rd year start up expansion team. If you don't see progress from a paper thin squad as a 2nd year team that was the worst offensive team in the NFL then that is your perogative. I think you have good right to question the team, but we just donít see eye to eye - and that is fine. The answers start to unfold in a few months.

cred
06-23-2005, 07:49 PM
What is wrong with all of the haters? I don't see why we can't consistently beat the jags, why, just because they had a better record than us? I don't think so. If you look back, the Jags had won nearly to all of their games only by a short margin and at least four of them that I know of for sure by a touchdown or less in the last seconds of the game. To me that shows that there is a certain level of luck that goes in to that, it is not always skill that will prevail sometimes you have to just have some things fall our way, and personally I think we are due!!!!!

bigtex77
06-23-2005, 10:52 PM
There are times when I read posts on these boards and wonder of I am really on the home site for a 4TH YEAR expansion team, I simply love all of the postitivity. :rolleyes: If we were the Bengals, Bears or Cardinals- teams who have pretty much sucked for about a decade, one or two seasons excluded- I could understand, but most of this is ridiculous.

Big B Texan Fan
06-23-2005, 11:06 PM
NE had a CB that was a WR-won a championship in '05
NE had no Dillon- won a championship in '04
TB had no premier safeties-they won one
NE again-they has a QB contoversy, tuck rule, and started the season something like 1-4 and won it all
Rams-QB was from the arena league, 1st dome team to win one
Den-they were actually solid from top to bottom and both of theirs


I can go on and on. What we need to is to play to our strength.
If the left side is lacking then go right more often, we got the RB's to make guys miss
If we need a better TE, then let's see if the tinkered/timing routes help. I bet it does.
Coleman is gonna surprise everyone this season.
Sick peek on the QB every play as opposed to having him cover FB's & TE's.
Spread out the D by going 5 wide often to keep 'em honest.