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Rey
12-18-2012, 01:23 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Danieal Manning, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

buddyboy
12-18-2012, 01:28 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

1) Yes in a heartbeat
2) No, but it's DB that's the dealbreaker, not Arian
3) Big no
4) Thought about it...JJ is just too much of a gamechanger at a position where gamechangers are few and far between
5) Tempting, but losing JJo hurts our secondary a LOT by moving people up in the depth chart.
6) EXTREMELY tempting. I think I may have to go yes here, even though it makes the Texans feel like not the Texans anymore.
7) No
8) What kind of sandwich?
9) No
10) No, again, DB is the dealbreaker.

Scooter
12-18-2012, 01:30 PM
1. the homer in me says no, but i'd probably have to accept that one
2. no way
3. nope, not trading the best defensive player in football
4. nope, ditto
5. no, i'm torn but i'd hate to lose 2 levels to strengthen 1
6. lol tempting but no
7. edit: read this as fifth rounders, would certainly trade for five 3rds.
8. sure, club sandwich and add bacon
9. edit: no, i didnt see "and a first"
10. nah, reed's age and flacco being flacco kill it

Rey
12-18-2012, 01:33 PM
8) What kind of sandwich?


Your choice...

:)

Trap_Star
12-18-2012, 01:33 PM
i'd trade jj watt for a copy of an aarp magazine and a half stick of double mint.

deucetx
12-18-2012, 01:33 PM
I had to go no on all except the number 1 and number 8. I can sign a kicker off the street to make field goals under 50 yards. The sandwich swung the deal though. Tebow could at least give me some good speeches before taking his place on the bench. Plus nothing wrong with a good character guy...as long as you don't forget he can't pass.

76Texan
12-18-2012, 01:36 PM
I'll do 8 for a 12" cold cut.

Set up a new church at the old Astroworld and start raking in money.

I'll make all the money back in the first hour and buy all the sandwich shops with the profit.:splits:

ObsiWan
12-18-2012, 01:47 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Duane Brown and a 2nd for Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

First, any and all thoughts of trading Andre Johnson should result in immediate negative reps from everyone who reads those words. Guests should join the board JUST so they can negative rep you. The two phrases "just for fun" and "trade Andre Johnson" do not belong in the same line of thought. Ever.

Now, as for the rest of them....

No wait, dammit, I'm not done.

The Mods should smash your fingers and revoke all your internet privileges.
Any Texans gear in your possession should be forcibly taken from you in a public forum - like Bubba's on the north side - by ranking members of the Blue Crew. Like a non-com who has his stripes ripped off.
TexanBill should be allowed to beat you with the pole of his chosing.
Thorn should use you as dirty diaper target practice

...trade Andre Johnson...

What next... run Bob McNair out of town and petition Bud Adams to come back for old times' sake??

...trade Andre Johnson...

Rey
12-18-2012, 01:52 PM
First, any and all thoughts of trading Andre Johnson should result in immediate negative reps from everyone who reads those words. Guests should join the board JUST so they can negative rep you. The two phrases "just for fun" and "trade Andre Johnson" do not belong in the same line of thought. Ever.

Now, as for the rest of them....

No wait, dammit, I'm not done.

The Mods should smash your fingers and revoke all your internet privileges.
Any Texans gear in your possession should be forcibly taken from you in a public forum - like Bubba's on the north side - by ranking members of the Blue Crew. Like a non-com who has his stripes ripped off.
TexanBill should be allowed to beat you with the pole of his chosing.
Thorn should use you as dirty diaper target practice

...trade Andre Johnson...

What next... run Bob McNair out of town and petition Bud Adams to come back for old times' sake??

...trade Andre Johnson...


LOL...

I actually wouldn't do most of them...

But there were actually people that suggested trading Andre in real life ya know...:kitten:

76Texan
12-18-2012, 02:01 PM
Hello, for the Great Train Robbery, I'll trade anybody.

Perki-Perk
12-18-2012, 02:22 PM
I chose 8, and mostly because I haven't eaten lunch.

The other part of it is, well, Shank Graham is just biding his time till the young feller gets better and Tebow runs the wild cat like a boss if we ever decide to run something other than our standard formation.

Deal!

I do agree with Obsiwan, you should be banned for even mentioning AJ in a trade. It was bad enough when we lost Hakeem to the freaking Raptors!

ObsiWan
12-18-2012, 02:23 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Danieal Manning, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

1. See earlier post. :kitten:
2. We'd come out on the short end on this trade. No thanks
3. I'll admit I thought about it a long second but no thanks. Kubiak would try to make a pocket passer out of RG3 and that would have me getting out the pink soap. No.
4. Don't have the heart to trade Wade's favorite toy (JJ Watt). Not even for Andrew Luck.
5. Now this one is really, reeeeally tempting. J-Jo is starting to appear a tad injury prone. Ninja's primo days may well be behind him. And Cushing may be (or may not be) damaged goods and and besides Willis and Bowman more than make up for what we'd lose in Cushing... Get them to throw in a 2nd or 3rd... after all we ARE offering up two pro bowlers to their one. And isn't Willis approaching 30? :D
6. No. Not giving up Watt or Foster. Take them off the table and we can talk about the deal that remains.
7. Wait... what? What team has five 3rd round picks? So you're really saying Tate for two 3rds and Jackson for three 3rds? Hmmm.... Now who's dumb enough to make those trades... oh wait, doesn't Buffalo need a CB? And Az could use a quality RB...
hmmmm.... :D
8. Keep Tebow and make it a big slab of barbeque beef ribs and we'll talk.
9. I'd do this one in a heartbeat.
10. No. This isn't an upgrade. Ed Reed has one foot in retirement. Flacco IS Schaub with a stronger arm but at a less effective decision making level. Not trading Foster and I have no one to step in for D.B.

steelbtexan
12-18-2012, 02:23 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Danieal Manning, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco


1. Yes, without a doubt, younger/arguably better.
2. No
3. No way
4. No
5. Yes
6. Yes, BB and Brady are HOF'ers and I get a 1st/2nd rder.
7. Without a doubt
8. Yes, I'm not a Tebow fan. But I do like turkey with mustard on wheat.
9. Yes CJ is a HOF a WR tandem of CJ/AJ would be epic. Ben Jones could take over for Myers. What's the Texans record without Cushing. How good would this team be with AJ/CJ this yr?
10. No way, Rick should be fired if he made that trade.

ObsiWan
12-18-2012, 02:39 PM
I want to change my vote to #9.
I voted #8 in a moment of weakness because I hadn't had lunch.
But I'll do #9 in a nano-second.

And if Rick Smith could pull off #7 he should be in the running for GM of the Year. Hell, I'd settle for four 3rds. No need to explain why, SteelB already nailed it.

Dutchrudder
12-18-2012, 02:57 PM
Assuming money and cap are no object, I'd do:
1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

An upgrade at QB and the best WR in the league for a 1st? Yes please. I love Andre, but you can't pass up this deal. Stafford working with a guy like Kubiak for a couple years would improve greatly. With a solid run game and the play action bootlegs, he would almost immediately become a top 5 QB on our team if CJ came with him. Hell, even if it was just Schaub for Stafford straight up I'd do it, his arm and AJ's deep threat ability would be an awesome combo.

sandman
12-18-2012, 03:00 PM
1. Yes, without a doubt, younger/arguably better.

No arguing the younger obviously, but there is definitely a challenge on the better.

Just taking the sample size of the last fours years when Stafford has been in the league:

Schaub has a considerably higher completion percentage, yardage, TD's and QB rating. And Stafford plays in an up-tempo offense, while the Texans churned out 8,000+ rushing yards during this timeframe.

AJ missed some time in the last four years, but his receptions per game average is higher than CJ, and this is in the second half of his career. 6-7years into his career, AJ on bad teams was already working on his third 100 reception season while CJ just got his first in that same timeframe.

In the Stafford-CJ era, the Texans have 37 wins and the Lions have 22. They will have 6 wins or fewer in three of Staffords four seasons.

So Stafford and CJ are younger and would appear to have more talent, but Matt and AJ have the results, both in stats and wins.

But I've always been the guy that values wise and savvy veteran over raw talent and potential no matter the sport.

badboy
12-18-2012, 03:14 PM
The closest to any for me would be Tate and KJ for five thirds. First too many players in first & second goin back to school which pushes players of interest up and out of range. Second, no one to replace KJ. Third more interesting if it were say top five in third round, but no thanks. I am interested in trading Tate if you want to come up with a deal fo rhim.

steelbtexan
12-18-2012, 03:14 PM
No arguing the younger obviously, but there is definitely a challenge on the better.

Just taking the sample size of the last fours years when Stafford has been in the league:

Schaub has a considerably higher completion percentage, yardage, TD's and QB rating. And Stafford plays in an up-tempo offense, while the Texans churned out 8,000+ rushing yards during this timeframe.

AJ missed some time in the last four years, but his receptions per game average is higher than CJ, and this is in the second half of his career. 6-7years into his career, AJ on bad teams was already working on his third 100 reception season while CJ just got his first in that same timeframe.

In the Stafford-CJ era, the Texans have 37 wins and the Lions have 22. They will have 6 wins or fewer in three of Staffords four seasons.

So Stafford and CJ are younger and would appear to have more talent, but Matt and AJ have the results, both in stats and wins.

But I've always been the guy that values wise and savvy veteran over raw talent and potential no matter the sport.

Understood,

But I believe CJ is the best WR in the game today and that's taking nothing away from AJ. I'm betting with Staffords arm the Texans OL/run game that he would've been better than Schaub this yr, not to mention yrs to come and I'm a Schaub guy.

steelbtexan
12-18-2012, 03:20 PM
The closest to any for me would be Tate and KJ for five thirds. First too many players in first & second goin back to school which pushes players of interest up and out of range. Second, no one to replace KJ. Third more interesting if it were say top five in third round, but no thanks. I am interested in trading Tate if you want to come up with a deal fo rhim.

You could use those 3rds to trade up and grab a couple of 2nd rd picks, giving you a 1st, three 2nds and atleast the comp 3rd. from there you could either trade back into the 1st rd and have two 1st rd picks, heck, you could even trade up high into the 1st rd if you wanted too.

76Texan
12-18-2012, 03:23 PM
You could use those 3rds to trade up and grab a couple of 2nd rd picks, giving you a 1st, three 2nds and atleast the comp 3rd. from there you could either trade back into the 1st rd and have two 1st rd picks, heck, you could even trade up high into the 1st rd if you wanted too.

Why would you trade your first (KJax) and you second (Tate) for two seconds???
Especially when the guys you currently have are proven.

The two guys you will draft with the two seconds will be unknown.

badboy
12-18-2012, 03:39 PM
Why would you trade your first (KJax) and you second (Tate) for two seconds???
Especially when the guys you currently have are proven.

The two guys you will draft with the two seconds will be unknown.

This is what I'm thinking and KJ has settled in pretty well. Doubt I'd take less than a first and depending on where for him. CBs not very deep. Some early first round possibles are falling.

Hagar
12-18-2012, 03:40 PM
1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

Yep, Schaub = Stafford. CJ younger version of AJ, plus picks.

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

Yep, I like JJ, AF and BC, but BB & TB are HOF and both are probably the best in the NFL right now. Also, I'll have to admit BB &TB are both douchbags, they really are that much better than the rest of the league.

Plus, cool poll.

Exascor
12-18-2012, 03:43 PM
Also, I'll have to admit Bill Belichick &Tom Brady are both douchbags, they really are that much better than the rest of the league.Yet...they have as many Superbowl victories as Kubiak and Schaub since Kubiak took over the Texans...

b0ng
12-18-2012, 03:46 PM
If it was for a 24 year old Tom Brady I'd do that one trade, but at his age now, probably not.

Double Barrel
12-18-2012, 03:46 PM
#8 if I had to pick, as long as Tebow was willing to play TE/FB like Casey.

sandman
12-18-2012, 04:22 PM
Understood,

But I believe CJ is the best WR in the game today and that's taking nothing away from AJ. I'm betting with Staffords arm the Texans OL/run game that he would've been better than Schaub this yr, not to mention yrs to come and I'm a Schaub guy.

Oh, I agree that CJ today is a better player than AJ today, and that Stafford is a greater talent that Schaub.

I was just pointing out that for all of the Lions' up-tempo play and all of the Texans scripted, run away and hide style of play where it is all about being able to simply manage the game plan, Matty Half-Ear actually has better stats and more success than Stafford.

Also, and this is my personal unsolicited opinion, but Stafford seems much more effective with his feet than in the pocket. Kube's style of play relies on a system quarterback rather than a mobile playmaker. I am not sure that he would be any more successful on this team than he is on the Lions.

Trail.Blazr
12-19-2012, 02:00 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick
2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson
3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick
4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st
5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navaro Bowman
6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd
7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft
8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich
9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson
10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Danieal Manning, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

1. no way I trade off Dre. Not in a million. Too much of a Man Crush. He's gonna be the first HOF texan and will be hard to top for years to come. He retires having played his career here.
2. Trent Richardson looks pretty special. But I'll pass. DB and AF are special too me.
3. say WHATT? heck no.
4. no for anything considering JJ Watt
5. not an upgrade IMHO
6. Boy..having Kubes in there is tempting :kitten:
7. without question, I'd do this. Would have voted for it if not for the fun in voting #8
8. don't even need Tebow! This is a steal!
9. edit: no, i didnt see "and a first"
10. Ed reed retires this year or next. Flacco is too Jeckyl/Hyde. Too much to give up for Ngata, which is the only good thing left in the proposal

OilerTexan
12-19-2012, 02:45 PM
All trades dealing Watt are "NO" for me. As in, "Would you trade Watt for - " Stop right there. No.

mussop
12-19-2012, 03:34 PM
LOL...

I actually wouldn't do most of them...

But there were actually people that suggested trading Andre in real life ya know...:kitten:

I love Andre Johnson but I have to admit I suggested trading him for whatever draft pick it would take to get Calvin Johnson when he was coming out. Calvin was the most complete draft prospect I have ever seen. All the things said about Reggie Bush should of been said about CJ. Once in a lifetime player. He will go down as the best WR in history. That's still the only way AJ leaves this team. For a player of that caliber.

mussop
12-19-2012, 03:38 PM
All trades dealing Watt are "NO" for me. As in, "Would you trade Watt for - " Stop right there. No.

I love Watt but everyone has a price. His of course would have to be a proven elite QB. And a young one at that. Not likely to happen so don't worry.

Rey
12-19-2012, 03:52 PM
I'm kind of surprised more people wouldn't want Luck...I don't know if I'd do that either, but man...Young Franchise QB with all his tools are what makes teams stay at the top for long periods of time...

And you'd be getting a first round pick back....

I love Watt, but I'd have to think long and hard about that one...

ThaJokaa
12-19-2012, 03:58 PM
No on any trades with AJ for all of the above reasons posted

buddyboy
12-19-2012, 03:59 PM
I love Watt but everyone has a price. His of course would have to be a proven elite QB. And a young one at that. Not likely to happen so don't worry.

I'm kind of surprised more people wouldn't want Luck...I don't know if I'd do that either, but man...Young Franchise QB with all his tools are what makes teams stay at the top for long periods of time...

And you'd be getting a first round pick back....

I love Watt, but I'd have to think long and hard about that one...

Young AND proven are the keywords; if Luck has 2 more years of solid, improving play, then he would be worth just about any asking price. Right now, he's young and shows promise. I used to think the same way about Stafford, but he hasn't lived up to his promise.

mussop
12-19-2012, 04:05 PM
Young AND proven are the keywords; if Luck has 2 more years of solid, improving play, then he would be worth just about any asking price. Right now, he's young and shows promise. I used to think the same way about Stafford, but he hasn't lived up to his promise.

Which is why i said young PROVEN elite QB.

Rey
12-19-2012, 04:09 PM
Young AND proven are the keywords; if Luck has 2 more years of solid, improving play, then he would be worth just about any asking price. Right now, he's young and shows promise. I used to think the same way about Stafford, but he hasn't lived up to his promise.

What's funny is that the Colts wouldn't trade Luck for JJ Watt and two first round picks from us.

When/If he ever proves to be an elite type QB, there will be no unprying him until they think he can't play anymore or the next great thing comes a long...

But that could be said about most of the trades up there...

The teams on the other end are probably Just as if not more adamant saying "hell no" to these trades...

I just find that dynamic interesting...


Kinda hard to take you heart and allegiance out of it...

buddyboy
12-19-2012, 06:08 PM
What's funny is that the Colts wouldn't trade Luck for JJ Watt and two first round picks from us.

When/If he ever proves to be an elite type QB, there will be no unprying him until they think he can't play anymore or the next great thing comes a long...

But that could be said about most of the trades up there...

The teams on the other end are probably Just as if not more adamant saying "hell no" to these trades...

I just find that dynamic interesting...


Kinda hard to take you heart and allegiance out of it...

Oh definitely, if I was a Colts fan, I'd believe with all my heart we have lightning in a bottle with Luck. No way I'd let a potential Tom Brady/Peyton Manning caliber elite QB in the making go.

On the other hand, it's easier for us as Texans fans to say no to Luck; we're trying to compete NOW rather than a few years down the road. We already have Schaub, essentially what this trade would do is trade our QBs and our DEs (who the heck is Lawrence Guy?).

rolyat93
12-19-2012, 08:56 PM
Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

A thousand times yes.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2012, 09:04 PM
i'd trade jj watt for a copy of an aarp magazine and a half stick of double mint.

Since you're stealing my identirty (and knowing you're 17 years my junior) are you suggesting I... :thinking:.... NAY, WE need AARP benefits?

BTW, The mints work if they are in fact the old school "Andy's (or is it Andes) Mints"??! :kitten:

2slik4u
12-19-2012, 09:06 PM
:)****this thread is just for fun***** :)

outrageous scenarios below:

1) matt schaub, andre and a 1st for stafford, c.johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick
yes. Get a youger qb with a stronger arm, better coaching, better o-line, and a better rb? He would flourish. Plus i think megatron is better than aj at this point in time.
2) arian foster and duane brown for joe thomas and trent richardson
no
3) jj watt and kareem for rg3 and a 2nd round pick
there is no trade that is good enough to give up jj watt
4) jj watt and ben tate for andrew luck and a 1st
see above
5) jjo, antonio, cushing for patrick willis and navarro bowman
no, very tempting but mlb's are an easier spot to fill
6) matt schaub, jj watt, arian foster, brian cushing, gary kubiak, and a 2nd for bill belichick, tom brady a 1st and a 2nd
nope

7) ben tate and karem jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft
very intriguing. I would have to look at draft class but i would probably end up doing this
8) shayne graham for tim tebow and a sandwhich
sure. But after i was done with sandwich, we would have to cut tebow.
9) chris myers, brian cushing and a 1st for calvin johnson
yes. Megatron and aj on the field at the same time??? Fughettaboutit.
10) matt schaub, arian foster, danieal manning, duane brown and a 2ndfor ngata and ed reed and flacco
reed is old. Flacco sucks. Nope.

Goldensilence
12-19-2012, 09:31 PM
I'd vote for option #1hands down.

Stafford is a good QB but I think in Kubiak's system his arm and ability to be more athletic in the bootlegs would be a crazy mixture with all the weapons.

Older veteran QB and Elite older WR for Younger Franchise QB and Perhaps the best WR in the game now....

Hell throw in the this year's first second and third we'd receive and it'd still be a steal of a deal.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2012, 09:34 PM
NONE OF THE ABOVE!!!

Trades within the NFL don't work out nearly as well as other professional sports... Think about it... Wouldn't 'Meco be worth more in other sports??

Goldensilence
12-20-2012, 08:17 PM
NONE OF THE ABOVE!!!

Trades within the NFL don't work out nearly as well as other professional sports... Think about it... Wouldn't 'Meco be worth more in other sports??

The last real trade I can recall that was well worth making was Champ Bailley for Clinton Portis.

The most recent ones have been low risk high reward trades where one team is more or less unloading one player.

Hervoyel
12-20-2012, 08:46 PM
Would you trade....... "No".

thunderkyss
12-20-2012, 09:27 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

Yes. I'd like for Andre to retire a Texan. But the value here is way too good.

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

No. What's the point?

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

No. As good as RG3 may seem, I'm not sold. Can't wait to see him next year. Or the year after. But as long as he isn't in the AFC South, we'll be ok.

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

No... The boys talented, but Jj Watt & Tate is too rich.

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

Yes.

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

Yes

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

Yes

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

Yes

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

yes

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Danieal Manning, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

No

Texan_Bill
12-20-2012, 09:35 PM
The last real trade I can recall that was well worth making was Champ Bailley for Clinton Portis.

The most recent ones have been low risk high reward trades where one team is more or less unloading one player.

JUP!!! Exactly... The exception but certainly not the rule, no?

Rey
12-20-2012, 11:17 PM
Yes. I'd like for Andre to retire a Texan. But the value here is way too good.

No. What's the point?

No. As good as RG3 may seem, I'm not sold. Can't wait to see him next year. Or the year after. But as long as he isn't in the AFC South, we'll be ok.

No... The boys talented, but Jj Watt & Tate is too rich.

Yes.

Yes

Yes

Yes

yes


No

I'm surprised at some of your answers fid...

I figured you to be the kind of guy that'd be totally against the belichick and brady scenario as well as the Tate and kjax for 5 thirds...

Any particular reasoning?

ajohnson80
12-20-2012, 11:29 PM
I would do Shayne for a sandwich + a new washer not Tebow though.

thunderkyss
12-21-2012, 06:03 AM
I'm surprised at some of your answers fid...

I figured you to be the kind of guy that'd be totally against the belichick and brady scenario as well as the Tate and kjax for 5 thirds...

Any particular reasoning?

Belichick & Brady equals wins.... Kubiak & Schaub equals good chance to win... but you might lose

Tate & Kjax for 5 thirds was tough for me. I figured 5 thirds is roughly a first & third or 2 seconds.

You know I like Kjax, but we've got Jjo for a while. Brandon Harris looks promising, then we've got options for the nickel with McCain & Roc & a bunch of 5th round picks. Maybe Stanford sticks around......

mussop
12-21-2012, 04:13 PM
I got one for y'all. How about Aaron Rodgers and Clay Mathews for Schaub and Watt?

Rey
12-21-2012, 04:18 PM
I got one for y'all. How about Aaron Rodgers and Clay Mathews for Schaub and Watt?

Hell yes.

I love Watt, but a premier edge rusher and a young elite QB...

I'd friggin jump at the chance...

Rey
12-21-2012, 04:18 PM
Belichick & Brady equals wins.... Kubiak & Schaub equals good chance to win... but you might lose

Tate & Kjax for 5 thirds was tough for me. I figured 5 thirds is roughly a first & third or 2 seconds.

You know I like Kjax, but we've got Jjo for a while. Brandon Harris looks promising, then we've got options for the nickel with McCain & Roc & a bunch of 5th round picks. Maybe Stanford sticks around......

Ok...That actually makes sense...

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 04:24 PM
I got one for y'all. How about Aaron Rodgers and Clay Mathews for Schaub and Watt?
Nope...
J.J. >> Matthews (probably more)
Rodgers > Schaub
I'm still down one ">"
So this is not a win for us.
If'n I ain't winnin' I ain't tradin'

thunderkyss
12-21-2012, 04:49 PM
Nope...
J.J. >> Matthews (probably more)
Rodgers > Schaub
I'm still down one ">"
So this is not a win for us.
If'n I ain't winnin' I ain't tradin'

I'm just a messenger here. But what are this odds that JJ will have a season anywhere like this again? He'll still be a stud. But he won't be able to impact the game like he does now. For him to do what he's doing now is unbelievable. To do it again... the odds are against it.

Love Schaub, but Rodgers & Matthews... ok, I don't love Schaub but it would be silly to pass on Rogers & Matthews now.

mussop
12-21-2012, 04:59 PM
Nope...
J.J. >> Matthews (probably more)
Rodgers > Schaub
I'm still down one ">"
So this is not a win for us.
If'n I ain't winnin' I ain't tradin'

More like Rodgers >> Schaub so there your even now. It would be insane to pass up an ELITE QB for an elite defensive player. The defensive player can only impact so many defensive plays. The QB on the other hand pacts every offensive play.

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 05:01 PM
More like Rodgers >> Schaub so there your even now. It would be insane to pass up an ELITE QB for an elite defensive player. The defensive player can only impact so many defensive plays. The QB on the other hand pacts every offensive play.

Not if you believe that whole "defense wins championship" thing still holds true in Goodell's "modern-day NFL".
If you don't, I can totally understand why not.

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 05:22 PM
I'm just a messenger here. But what are this odds that JJ will have a season anywhere like this again? He'll still be a stud. But he won't be able to impact the game like he does now. For him to do what he's doing now is unbelievable. To do it again... the odds are against it.

Love Schaub, but Rodgers & Matthews... ok, I don't love Schaub but it would be silly to pass on Rogers & Matthews now.

Fair question. It depends on whether you think Watt is having a "career year" or if this is who he is and how he'll play from here on out. If he's our answer to, say, Bob Lilly or Ray Childress; then this is par for the course for him for the next 10-12 years. I wouldn't give away a modern-day Bob Lilly for the delta in performance between Schaub and Rodgers.

Take a moment to consider how effective Rodgers will be without his extensive cast of receivers; they won't be coming with him. Rodgers, like Schaub, will have to make do with an "aging" (as some have said in this very thread) 'Dre, Kevin Walter, O.D. (who sometimes disappears in big games) and a bunch of unproven youngsters. No Finley, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, or Greg Jennings. Didn't mention Randall Cobb because A.J. production matches his so they're nearly a wash.

Naah when *I* look at all the factors, I still would rather hang onto Watt & Schaub than roll the dice than HOPE Rodgers would flourish in this conservative system with this bunch of receivers.

But I understand why somefolks would pull the trigger. On the surface it looks like a good deal.

Rey
12-21-2012, 05:25 PM
Nope...
J.J. >> Matthews (probably more)
Rodgers > Schaub
I'm still down one ">"
So this is not a win for us.
If'n I ain't winnin' I ain't tradin'

So watt is that much better than Mathews, but Rodgers is just a bit better than schaub?

I don't know about that man...especially seeing how valuable the qb position is.

thunderkyss
12-21-2012, 06:18 PM
Take a moment to consider how effective Rodgers will be without his extensive cast of receivers; they won't be coming with him. Rodgers, like Schaub, will have to make do with an "aging" (as some have said in this very thread) 'Dre, Kevin Walter, O.D. (who sometimes disappears in big games) and a bunch of unproven youngsters. No Finley, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, or Greg Jennings. Didn't mention Randall Cobb because A.J. production matches his so they're nearly a wash.


I'm thinking Rogers ability to extend plays beyond the ability of pass protection to keep up will help extend Andre's career & the value of OD, Casey, & even Foster.

YAC

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 06:43 PM
Like I said, I could see how Rodgers is considered an upgrade over Schaub. But I like having a stud like J.J. Watt to anchor my defense. There are, what 4-5 QBs on Rodgers' level in the league right now...? How many D-linemen are on Watt's level right now - sacks, TFL, Swatted balls (that turn into INTs), etc. Matthews is basically Brian Cushing with more emphasis on pass rushing where Cush defends the run. I HAVE a Cushing. Granted, two would be better, but that would leave me with Ninja being the best guy on the D-line.

Is Rodgers so much better than Schaub that he counters the loss in production (and likely the increase in Pts Allowed) for you guys?

And don't ignore my "in this conservative offense" point. Remember whose calling the plays. Do ya think Kubiak will suddenly start winging it all over the yard just because Rodgers showed up?
I don't.

thunderkyss
12-21-2012, 06:47 PM
Is Rodgers so much better than Schaub that he counters the loss in production (and likely the increase in Pts Allowed) for you guys?

I don't think we've seen the best Schaub has to offer. 2009, he was on the verge to being elite. Then that guy went away.

And don't ignore my "in this conservative offense" point. Remember whose calling the plays. Do ya think we'll suddenly start winging it all over the yard just because Rodgers showed up?
I don't.

That big play on our first drive last week, where Andre had to stop then jump over the DB he had already beat would have been a TD with Rogers throwing the ball.

His ability to extend plays & pick up 6-12 yards moves the chains, & keep us on the field.

The offense doesn't need to change, Rogers will make it more efficient.

& like you said, we're replacing Watt with Matthews, playing on the strong side. We can still get a dynamic rusher on the weak side, if Merci is not that guy. Still we've got Cushing in the middle.

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 06:53 PM
I don't think we've seen the best Schaub has to offer. 2009, he was on the verge to being elite. Then that guy went away.


That big play on our first drive last week, where Andre had to stop then jump over the DB he had already beat would have been a TD with Rogers throwing the ball.

We've already agreed that Rodgers is an upgrade over Schaub. I said that up front.

Are you ready to go with Ninja, Cody, and some whodat for your D-line so you can have Rodgers and an almost-Cushing at OLB.

Now if you'd said Barwin and Reed instead of Watt, I'd be all over it.
:D

thunderkyss
12-21-2012, 07:26 PM
We've already agreed that Rodgers is an upgrade over Schaub. I said that up front.

Are you ready to go with Ninja, Cody, and some whodat for your D-line so you can have Rodgers and an almost-Cushing at OLB.

Now if you'd said Barwin and Reed instead of Watt, I'd be all over it.
:D

The Rogers comment was in answer to your question about if Rogers makes this conservative offense better. I think he does.

I think Watt's impact on the game will be equivalent to Matthews impact on the game in the future. It looks like an even trade to me. While Jj's stock is high, we could probably get GB to sweeten the deal.


By the way, no one said we have to agree.

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 07:29 PM
His ability to extend plays & pick up 6-12 yards moves the chains, & keep us on the field.

The offense doesn't need to change, Rogers will make it more efficient.

& like you said, we're replacing Watt with Matthews, playing on the strong side. We can still get a dynamic rusher on the weak side, if Merci is not that guy. Still we've got Cushing in the middle.

I will admit, you make a solid case....

Let's seee...

Player . . . Gms . TKL . Sck . P/D. F/F . F/R
Matthews . . .10 . 26 . . 11 ... 2 . 1 ... 0
Hawk . . . . .14 . 71 . . 01 ... 0 . 0 ... 0

Watt . . . . .14 . 61 . . 20+.. 15 . 3 ... 2

ummmm.... Naaah. Too much defensive production to let go of for my tastes. And think about what the drop off in D-line pressure would do to the secondary...

Naaah... Not worth it.

you'd have to toss in a 2nd or a 3rd & a 4th [puts his Rick Smith hat on] ...and why should I give you J.J. Watt - who would be super inspired to be back playing in front of his Wisconsin homies - to team up with B.J. Raji for that pretty-boy LB and Mr. Discount-Double-Check?
:D

Edit: Make that a 1st and a 4th.

Thorn
12-21-2012, 09:38 PM
Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft is my choice. As good as the Texans have been drafting lately, that would totally rock. But it would also be a must that they pick up a good experienced corner in free agency. We can live without Tate, we've been doing it for a long time now.

Texecutioner
12-21-2012, 09:54 PM
I'd trade Watt in a second to obtain RG3 or Luck. I have no doubt that both of these guys are going to be elite level QB's for a long time barring a crazy injury that effects their entire way of playing. QB is the most important position on the field to get the best player. Always has been and it always will be.

QB > DL


You get a QB like that, and you can work the next few years at finding some great pass rushers. You might not find one quite as good as Watt, but you won't need one that has to be as great as Watt. The last 10 SB teams didn't have a DE as good as Watt. But the majority of the last 10 SB's did all have elite QB's playing on their offense. I wouldn't trade Manning or Brady for Watt, because they only have a few seasons left to play at this level, but Luck and RG3 have an entire career ahead of them. This is a no brainer. You put this same type of question on just about any other team forum, they'd all take the QB's over Watt. Love Watt to death, but QB is the more valuable and important position to have an elite player at.

PapaL
12-21-2012, 10:11 PM
No way I'd trade Watt. Id take a solid run game and a stout D over a star QB. Ask Tom Brady about that Giants DL. How many SB have the Pats won since they had the cameras and film taken away?

Say Watt
12-21-2012, 10:44 PM
There is only one player in the NFL I would trade JJ Watt for: Aaron Rodgers. That's it. If Brady or Peyton were 6-8 years younger, they'd be on my list too.

ObsiWan
12-21-2012, 10:50 PM
I'd trade Watt in a second to obtain RG3 or Luck. I have no doubt that both of these guys are going to be elite level QB's for a long time barring a crazy injury that effects their entire way of playing. QB is the most important position on the field to get the best player. Always has been and it always will be.

QB > DL


You get a QB like that, and you can work the next few years at finding some great pass rushers. You might not find one quite as good as Watt, but you won't need one that has to be as great as Watt. The last 10 SB teams didn't have a DE as good as Watt. But the majority of the last 10 SB's did all have elite QB's playing on their offense. I wouldn't trade Manning or Brady for Watt, because they only have a few seasons left to play at this level, but Luck and RG3 have an entire career ahead of them. This is a no brainer. You put this same type of question on just about any other team forum, they'd all take the QB's over Watt. Love Watt to death, but QB is the more valuable and important position to have an elite player at.

You've changed the deal. We've talking trade with the Packers, not the Colts or the 'Skins.
:)
And further more, I don't know how wise it would be to give a division opponent a weapon like Watt to go with Freeney and Mathis.

steelbtexan
12-21-2012, 10:52 PM
Yes. I'd like for Andre to retire a Texan. But the value here is way too good.

No. What's the point?

No. As good as RG3 may seem, I'm not sold. Can't wait to see him next year. Or the year after. But as long as he isn't in the AFC South, we'll be ok.

No... The boys talented, but Jj Watt & Tate is too rich.

Yes.

Yes

Yes

Yes

yes


No


MSR

Great minds think alike.

steelbtexan
12-21-2012, 10:56 PM
Who would have given up last yrs entire draft and this yrs 1st rd pick for RG3 ?

mussop
12-21-2012, 10:57 PM
We've already agreed that Rodgers is an upgrade over Schaub. I said that up front.

Are you ready to go with Ninja, Cody, and some whodat for your D-line so you can have Rodgers and an almost-Cushing at OLB.

Now if you'd said Barwin and Reed instead of Watt, I'd be all over it.
:D

You said it up front but were inaccurate. Rodgers isn't just slightly better than Schaub, he is eons better. With Rodgers running this offense we would score 35 points a game so having this current defense with Cushing back and adding Mathews on the outside would be more than adequate.

Throw in FA aqusitions and future draft picks this team would be immensely better in the future.

mussop
12-21-2012, 11:10 PM
Who would have given up last yrs entire draft and this yrs 1st rd pick for RG3 ?

ME!

Even if Schaub does comeback next year, how much slower will he be? I mean Bajeebus an old retired Dan Marino could beat him in a foot race before the surgery. And how is it going to effect him in the future? He is a FA next year and he's on the wrong side of 30 already with a long history of injuries.

Yates is okay but what if Schaub goes down again? Yates steps up and who backs him up? What if Yates can't handle the pressure? Lots of backups come in and look good at first, then teams get film of them and they are never heard of again. Frank Reich anyone?

This isn't a lets sign Manning post but its funny how some people say Manning couldn't run this offense because of the play action rollout. Well how is Matt Schaub going to run it with a bum foot?

I know this sounds crazy but we should be looking at franchising Mario and trading him along with whatever draft picks it takes to move up and take RG111. Why risk having to rely on an older often injured Schaub or a second year project like Yates when we have all this excellent young talent? Lets get our franchise QB of the future right now. Let him learn behind Schaub for a year. If Schaub goes down oh well throw RG 111 into the fire. If not you have a whole year to see if Schaub can stay healthy and lead this team to the promise land.

link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1900952)


We will see. You want to talk a once in a decade player RG111 is that guy.

link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1916245&highlight=rg111#post1916245)

Texecutioner
12-21-2012, 11:12 PM
No way I'd trade Watt. Id take a solid run game and a stout D over a star QB. Ask Tom Brady about that Giants DL. How many SB have the Pats won since they had the cameras and film taken away?

THe Patriots have remained one of the most dominant teams in the league, so I have no idea why you would try to use them as an example. They were seconds away from a perfect season for christ sake, and could be potentially headed for a 3rd SB since then. How did Watt's impact fare against Rogers and Brady's impact against the Texans this season? I rest my case. The Giants are also a bad example as they are a great team all around. They had great WR's last year, a very good running game, a very good SB winning QB, and the deepest D line in the league which means you're making my point for me. They went out and got several great D lineman to go with everything else.

The last few QB's to win SB's

1. Eli - Brady
2. Rogers - Ben
3. Brees - Peyton
4. Big Ben - Warner
5. Peyton - Grossman
6. Ben - Hasselback
7. Brady - Mcnabb
8. Brady - Delhomme
9. Johnson - Gannon
10. Brady - Warner

Forgot Eli's first SB that included Brady in that list as well.

Other then Johnson, you've got nothing but elite QB's winning SB's. Eli and Ben are right behind the elite four (Brady, Rogers, Manning, Brees), but they've both won two a piece and have both been to 5 SB's between both of them. The rest are HOF guys. Even looking at the list of QB's who lost in the SB are all elite guys other then Grossman, Delhomme, and Hasselback. So 7 out of 10 QB's that even lost the SB were top guys at their position of QB. Trying to act like any DE even as great as Watt is can be as dominant of a factor for an entire team is not even close. An elite level DE can still be on a terrible defense. An elite level QB is almost never going to be on a terrible offense no matter what his weapons are. An elite level QB can make average guys look great. Brady has done it for years.

Texecutioner
12-21-2012, 11:17 PM
You've changed the deal. We've talking trade with the Packers, not the Colts or the 'Skins.
:)
And further more, I don't know how wise it would be to give a division opponent a weapon like Watt to go with Freeney and Mathis.

It wouldn't matter, because they wouldn't have a QB again. And if it did, Mathis and Freeney would be gone a few years from now any way. They'd have Watt, but they'd be in a dire search trying to find their QB of the future just like teams like the Jets, the Bills, the Browns, and the Jags and many others. Teams who have all had struggles with their QB's that have held them back for years not matter what types of stars they had on defense. The Ravens and the Bucs SB runs will never be the norm and will always be a rarity to reach a level of defense like those teams had.

Like it or not, the Colts are in a better position for the future then the Texans are as much as I hate to say it.

ObsiWan
12-22-2012, 06:11 PM
You said it up front but were inaccurate. Rodgers isn't just slightly better than Schaub, he is eons better. With Rodgers running this offense we would score 35 points a game so having this current defense with Cushing back and adding Mathews on the outside would be more than adequate.

Throw in FA aqusitions and future draft picks this team would be immensely better in the future.

Pure conjecture. That is totally an assumption. As I pointed out before, Rodgers would be leaving behind that squadron of receivers he has up in Green Bay and coming to a RUN FIRST team.

And besides, if Rodgers is all that "efficient, why aren't they ahead of us in pt/game?

Texans - 28.1, ranked 3rd behind only NE and Denver. And we're only behind Denver by 1.1 pts

Packers - 24.6, ranked 13th in the NFL.

Now Rodgers has 10 more TDs than Schaub; 32 vs. 22. Why? Because we have 18 RUSHING TDs and the Packers have FIVE.

Face up to it. Rodgers comes here, he runs THIS offense, not that pass-happy thing they run up in Green Bay. This offense goes thru Foster and Tate (when healthy).

Do you REALLY think Kubiak/Dennison will abandon this offense because Rodgers and not Schaub is under center? I sure don't.

And the fact that Schaub is only a notch behind Rodgers in every stat category, in a run-first offense indicates to me Rodgers is only slightly better. Plus Rodgers also been sacked 45 times to Schaub's 20. Not good for an offense that is built to "stay on schedule".

Nope. Still not sold that the slight upgrade Rodgers will make to the offense is so much better that it would make up for the loss of J.J. Watt.

Texan_Bill
12-22-2012, 06:51 PM
It's not really a wonder why I don't post very much anymore.... Some of y'all muff-huggas really, really need to get a life, man..

ObsiWan
12-22-2012, 07:12 PM
It's not really a wonder why I don't post very much anymore.... Some of y'all muff-huggas really, really need to get a life, man..

Not all of us can keep up with the life style you have Bill. ...leave us something.

Rey
12-22-2012, 07:25 PM
I don't agree with Tex a lot, but dude is killing it in here. Very strong arguments.

Texan_Bill
12-22-2012, 07:46 PM
Not all of us can keep up with the life style you have Bill. ...leave us something.

:lol: LMFAO!!!!

Repped!!!

mussop
12-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Pure conjecture. That is totally an assumption. As I pointed out before, Rodgers would be leaving behind that squadron of receivers he has up in Green Bay and coming to a RUN FIRST team.

And besides, if Rodgers is all that "efficient, why aren't they ahead of us in pt/game?

Texans - 28.1, ranked 3rd behind only NE and Denver. And we're only behind Denver by 1.1 pts

Packers - 24.6, ranked 13th in the NFL.

Now Rodgers has 10 more TDs than Schaub; 32 vs. 22. Why? Because we have 18 RUSHING TDs and the Packers have FIVE.

Face up to it. Rodgers comes here, he runs THIS offense, not that pass-happy thing they run up in Green Bay. This offense goes thru Foster and Tate (when healthy).

Do you REALLY think Kubiak/Dennison will abandon this offense because Rodgers and not Schaub is under center? I sure don't.

And the fact that Schaub is only a notch behind Rodgers in every stat category, in a run-first offense indicates to me Rodgers is only slightly better. Plus Rodgers also been sacked 45 times to Schaub's 20. Not good for an offense that is built to "stay on schedule".

Nope. Still not sold that the slight upgrade Rodgers will make to the offense is so much better that it would make up for the loss of J.J. Watt.

Your love of stats has distorted your perception of reality.

Thorn
12-22-2012, 08:25 PM
Not all of us can keep up with the life style you have Bill. ...leave us something.

LOL, it's certainly caught up with me. I find nice quiet weekends more enjoyable these days. Except on Sundays when I'm usually screaming at my TV.

GregR
12-22-2012, 08:48 PM
:)****This Thread is just for fun***** :)

Outrageous scenarios below:

1) Matt Schaub, Andre and a 1st for Stafford, C.Johnson a 2nd and 3rd pick

2) Arian Foster and Duane Brown for Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson

3) JJ Watt and Kareem for RG3 and a 2nd round pick

4) JJ Watt and Ben Tate for Andrew Luck and a 1st

5) Jjo, Antonio, Cushing for Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman

6) Matt Schaub, JJ Watt, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing, Gary Kubiak, and a 2nd for Bill Belichick, Tom Brady a 1st and a 2nd

7) Ben Tate and Karem Jackson for 5 third round picks in the next draft

8) Shayne Graham for Tim Tebow and a sandwhich

9) Chris Myers, Brian Cushing and a 1st for Calvin Johnson

10) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Danieal Manning, Duane Brown and a 2ndfor Ngata and Ed Reed and Flacco

1) Yes, no brainer. CJ and Stafford are both several years younger, and the extra picks make it a landslide. You could use both on QBs if you feel there is too big a drop off to Stafford and probably get an NFL starter.

2) Yes, definitely. The quality of players is fairly similar, and Thomas and Brown probably get similar contracts, but I gain $3m a year with Richardson plus he's a couple of years younger than Foster. That would have been enough to retain Brisiel, for example.

3) No, but it's close. Just don't like the injury risk of utilizing RG3 fully.

4) Yes, though it was close. Ben Tate is probably gone after 2013, there's not much chance of paying him what he can get plus paying Foster what Foster is already getting. So we're talking about trading Watt and 1 year of Tate for Luck and a 1st. As much as I love me some Watt, I don't know that I'd take Reggie White's career over an elite QB which I think Luck is going to be. Throw in the 1st and I'd have to make the trade. Tate, again is almost an afterthought in the trade for me.

5) No way. Cushing is comparable to Bowman at least, and there's no way Willis is worth Watt, let alone Watt and Antonio.

6) No, giving up too much and I want to see Belichick actually be a success for a period of time without Tom Brady at QB. Brady won't be around forever. Better coach than Kubes but I'm not going to assume he'll accomplish the same when Brady retires.

7) Yes, absolute no brainer. With Tate being gone in another year, a single 3rd for him is fair value, so getting four 3rds for Kareem is a no brainer even if he's turned into a decent NFL corner. Could probably move up with your 1st and then 2 or 3 of those 3rds to get a comparable corner, and have the extra picks left.

8) Not even if it was a toasted sandwich.

9) If the 1st wasn't in there I'd probably do it, but that's too much otherwise.

10) No, not even close. Not even if you put a 1st in on the Ravens side.

Rey
12-22-2012, 09:32 PM
1) Yes, no brainer. CJ and Stafford are both several years younger, and the extra picks make it a landslide. You could use both on QBs if you feel there is too big a drop off to Stafford and probably get an NFL starter.

2) Yes, definitely. The quality of players is fairly similar, and Thomas and Brown probably get similar contracts, but I gain $3m a year with Richardson plus he's a couple of years younger than Foster. That would have been enough to retain Brisiel, for example.

3) No, but it's close. Just don't like the injury risk of utilizing RG3 fully.

4) Yes, though it was close. Ben Tate is probably gone after 2013, there's not much chance of paying him what he can get plus paying Foster what Foster is already getting. So we're talking about trading Watt and 1 year of Tate for Luck and a 1st. As much as I love me some Watt, I don't know that I'd take Reggie White's career over an elite QB which I think Luck is going to be. Throw in the 1st and I'd have to make the trade. Tate, again is almost an afterthought in the trade for me.

5) No way. Cushing is comparable to Bowman at least, and there's no way Willis is worth Watt, let alone Watt and Antonio.

6) No, giving up too much and I want to see Belichick actually be a success for a period of time without Tom Brady at QB. Brady won't be around forever. Better coach than Kubes but I'm not going to assume he'll accomplish the same when Brady retires.

7) Yes, absolute no brainer. With Tate being gone in another year, a single 3rd for him is fair value, so getting four 3rds for Kareem is a no brainer even if he's turned into a decent NFL corner. Could probably move up with your 1st and then 2 or 3 of those 3rds to get a comparable corner, and have the extra picks left.

8) Not even if it was a toasted sandwich.

9) If the 1st wasn't in there I'd probably do it, but that's too much otherwise.

10) No, not even close. Not even if you put a 1st in on the Ravens side.

Just pointing out that number 5 watt wasn't included. You'd be keeping watt and adding bowman and Willis behind him.

But jjo would be gone.

ObsiWan
12-22-2012, 11:03 PM
Your love of stats has distorted your perception of reality.

Don't you know one's perception IS one's reality.

Look the whole point of this discussion is whether Rodgers would be significantly better than Schaub is in this run-first offense, with this cast of receivers (which isn't as formidable, top to bottom, as what he has in GB), and with Kubiak/Dennison calling the plays.

I think he'd be an upgrade for sure. Just not enough of an upgrade for me to weaken my defense - which most everyone agrees is the strength of the team since Wade showed up - by giving up the strongest part of that defense and Wade's most valuable piece, J.J. Watt.
Why is that so difficult to accept?

Rey
10-16-2013, 11:27 PM
A year later....kind of funny looking back at this poll...

There are some that make you go...hmmmm

And others that make you want to barf.

This was fun to so when so many if our guys were doing well. I wanted to do one for this year, but it's not fun to do when the team isn't doing well.