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Marcus
12-16-2012, 05:00 PM
I saw the 3rd round draft pick getting a good amount of playing time today. That was a pleasant surprise. I don't know if he was in because LeStar Jean, KJ, or Martin was hurt, or if he's recently been impressing Kubiak in practices. But he didn't look like a lost puppy out there. Glad to see it.

76Texan
12-16-2012, 05:04 PM
Glad to see he's out of the dog house.
I've always liked him.

eriadoc
12-16-2012, 05:04 PM
His second catch of the game was impressive. He attacked that ball.

Mr teX
12-16-2012, 05:15 PM
Kubes has been trying hard these last few games to get 1 of these other guys to step up and take
The pressure off AJ and Daniels in the passing game. So far:

Jean hasn't been able to separate and get open/stay healthy all year
Martin has been inconsistent at best and i think he's had his hands full with ST duties.

Walter is who he is.....a #3 option that likely wont be around next year b/c of his cap hit.

I think Posey becoming a factor today isn't conicidental. Kubes just wanted to be sure the kid was ready to contribute and that he wasn't abandoning his other youngins too early..

beerlover
12-16-2012, 06:18 PM
Kubes has been trying hard these last few games to get 1 of these other guys to step up and take
The pressure off AJ and Daniels in the passing game. So far:

Jean hasn't been able to separate and get open/stay healthy all year
Martin has been inconsistent at best and i think he's had his hands full with ST duties.

Walter is who he is.....a #3 option that likely wont be around next year b/c of his cap hit.

I think Posey becoming a factor today isn't conicidental. Kubes just wanted to be sure the kid was ready to contribute and that he wasn't abandoning his other youngins too early..

*Jean has everything but is still work in progress because he lacks core strength.
*Martin is adjusting to route running & needs to use his body to shield the defender off or draw interference penalty (should have gotten a call against NE).
*Walter is a Texan & will retire as one, taking pay cut to help his team if needed.
*Most important thing for Posey is confidence. More PT will help especially if its all good. He reminds me a little of Mario Manningham combination of quickness & pass snagging ability. Better upside as WR than Jacoby whom I believe he was drafted to replace.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

GuerillaBlack
12-16-2012, 06:26 PM
He looked Victor Cruzish to me.

EVOLVIST
12-16-2012, 06:29 PM
Marcus,

I'm glad you posted this. I was going to post something similar, and I don't think I'm making a mountain out of a molehill by saying that something was just special about Posey today.

It wasn't just his seperation, the position of his hands, or his route running that seperated him from Jean and Martin, today...it was the "It-Factor" where he looked liked he just belonged.

I mean, I came into this game thinking the Texans were still one WR and one pass rusher away from a championship. The way Posey played made me rethink that.

Not big numbers, nothing flashy...but "it?" Yeah, "It!"

GP
12-16-2012, 06:33 PM
I was against this draft pick on draft day.

I was somewhat against him in camp.

Over time, I have begun to believe that YEAH I was probably knee-jerking, just because of off-the-field stuff and having been out of football almost that whole final college season at OSU.

The way he's been brought along is genius. I never really have any fault with Kubiak for how he selects guys, how he chooses to bring them along, and then how he uses them in games. He's very smart with that. And it looks like he's made what might be a really solid pickup at WR for us by drafting Mr. Posey.

I also like us going more 5 WR today than I've really seen us do in awhile. We need to make defenses think a little bit out there. Not every games has to be the standard 2 WR, 1 TE, HB, RB formation.

A little Run-N-Shoot isn't bad.

Brisco_County
12-16-2012, 06:33 PM
Posey is looking good. In his few appearances on the field, he has made some athletic plays. There seems to be a lot of upside there.

amazing80
12-16-2012, 06:36 PM
Posey looked GREAT today and his run blocking was IMO the best of all wide outs....including 80. The long TD run by AF that was called back, Posey delivered a PERFECT back side block to the lb or db, whatever that was he blocked......ugh it was a thing of beauty. He also had a few guys 15 yards down field blocking when AF sprung loose late in the game.....mad effort by that kid today

GP
12-16-2012, 06:39 PM
Posey is looking good. In his few appearances on the field, he has made some athletic plays. There seems to be a lot of upside there.

He's verrrry smooth, effortless in the transition between catching the ball and running with it. Soft hands.

I am hoping that Kubiak and Schaub are intent upon getting this guy geared up for major duty over the next several weeks. I think he can handle it.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-16-2012, 06:40 PM
Marcus,

I'm glad you posted this. I was going to post something similar, and I don't think I'm making a mountain out of a molehill by saying that something was just special about Posey today.

It wasn't just his seperation, the position of his hands, or his route running that seperated him from Jean and Martin, today...it was the "It-Factor" where he looked liked he just belonged.

I mean, I came into this game thinking the Texans were still one WR and one pass rusher away from a championship. The way Posey played made me rethink that.

Not big numbers, nothing flashy...but "it?" Yeah, "It!"
Yep, he looked It today. Hope, he continues to show us It factor.

ajohnson80
12-16-2012, 06:44 PM
I can tell he has better hands than Martin, but Martin looks like better route runner. If only we could combine them into Kevier MarPosey and create some kind of super human receiver. :evil:

amazing80
12-16-2012, 06:52 PM
I can tell he has better hands than Martin, but Martin looks like better route runner. If only we could combine them into Kevier MarPosey and create some kind of super human receiver. :evil:

We have that already, his name is Andre Johnson :spin:

TexansRule1
12-16-2012, 06:57 PM
In preseason and scrimmages, Posey seemed to have trouble getting separation in routes. He also seemed to avoid being physical. I suspect Kubiak relegated him to PS to rectify that situation. Around the middle of the season, he started to get more snaps but rarely as a primary target and often on running plays.

Posey has started to show the flashes that lead you to believe he can be an every down player in this league. He has good hands and great quickness. If he can improve that route running and continue to play physical, he will be prove to be a great WR for the Texans.

wolf123
12-16-2012, 07:07 PM
In preseason and scrimmages, Posey seemed to have trouble getting separation in routes. He also seemed to avoid being physical. I suspect Kubiak relegated him to PS to rectify that situation. Around the middle of the season, he started to get more snaps but rarely as a primary target and often on running plays.

Posey has started to show the flashes that lead you to believe he can be an every down player in this league. He has good hands and great quickness. If he can improve that route running and continue to play physical, he will be prove to be a great WR for the Texans.

He can't be put on practice squad...:vincepalm: He ran scout team and I'm sure that has helped.

hradhak
12-16-2012, 07:18 PM
Posey looked good on the routes where be wasnt the target. I was hoping he would go down field more and get some separation. He could be great on the bootleg

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Nawzer
12-16-2012, 08:13 PM
He's bigger than I thought he was. It was good to see him make big plays out there for us. Hopefully, he'll play more and become a real weapon for us going into the playoffs.

amazing80
12-16-2012, 08:22 PM
Posey


(on his big catch where he drew a penalty as well) “Like I said, I lost my virginity on my first NFL bang. It didn’t hurt too bad. That fear it definitely gone just not knowing what it’s going to be like. I think all other passes shouldn’t have an excuse of going to get it.”


LMAO, that makes me laugh

thunderkyss
12-16-2012, 08:33 PM
I hope Kubiak knows what he's doing with guys like Posey. That guy is a big time player. Just like I think Brandon Harris is a big time player.

I don't think I've ever seen a player as hungry as Brandon Harris, taking advantage of his opportunity to earn a spot on this team. Well, maybe Arian Foster & that's worked out pretty good for us. If Posey can be the next Foster, things are going to get much more exciting around here.

wolf123
12-16-2012, 10:00 PM
I hope Kubiak knows what he's doing with guys like Posey. That guy is a big time player. Just like I think Brandon Harris is a big time player.

I don't think I've ever seen a player as hungry as Brandon Harris, taking advantage of his opportunity to earn a spot on this team. Well, maybe Arian Foster & that's worked out pretty good for us. If Posey can be the next Foster, things are going to get much more exciting around here.

Kubiak does an excellent job making players earn their playing time in practice before they step on the field. He's teaching them how to practice the right way which will go a long way to helping their careers.

Mr teX
12-16-2012, 10:03 PM
*Jean has everything but is still work in progress because he lacks core strength.
*Martin is adjusting to route running & needs to use his body to shield the defender off or draw interference penalty (should have gotten a call against NE).
*Walter is a Texan & will retire as one, taking pay cut to help his team if needed.
*Most important thing for Posey is confidence. More PT will help especially if its all good. He reminds me a little of Mario Manningham combination of quickness & pass snagging ability. Better upside as WR than Jacoby whom I believe he was drafted to replace.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

I dont deny it could go the way you are saying..but here's how i see it.

Martin is doing exactly what everyone thought he'd be doing when we drafted him...returning punts and kicks. So he's not going anywhere imo.

And Jean....These last few games we've targeted him alot....and he's never been really been open....maybe a half step at the most. Early in the NE game and in today's game, kubes/schaub threw it up to him and the guy just cant really beat his man consistently. And its not like he's facing a teams # 1 db..he's facing nickel dbs and safeties. Even in the Tenn game where he scored...he wasnt really open, schaub just threaded the needle to him and griffin gambled.

Im sure that if posey shows anything these next few weeks jean will be relegated to a special teamer for the rest of his tenure here....which is where he should be imo. Im not saying the guy has no value to this team, just dont think he can be counted on as a key contributor going forward.

& walter...i just dont think we can continue to waste a roster spot on him just because he is a "lunch pail" guy that kubes loves to keep around.

thunderkyss
12-16-2012, 10:08 PM
And Jean....These last few games we've targeted him alot....and he's never been really been open....maybe a half step at the most. Early in the NE game and in today's game, kubes/schaub threw it up to him and the guy just cant really beat his man consistently. And its not like he's facing a teams # 1 db..he's facing nickel dbs and safeties. Even in the Tenn game where he scored...he wasnt really open, schaub just threaded the needle to him and griffin gambled.


I thought Jean was WTF open on all but two of those targets vs New England. He looks good to me. Why Posey got more snaps today, I don't know. But I don't think Jean is disappointing the staff.

hradhak
12-17-2012, 12:15 AM
My only problem with the Posey pick is that I think we could have had him later in the draft and didn't need to use a 3rd to get him.

Still, he's come along well. I'm hoping AJ takes him under his wing and makes him a #2.

My guess is Walter is gone unless he takes a big pay cut. He may do so, he doesn't seem to be a guy who's in it for the money alone.

TimeKiller
12-17-2012, 08:09 AM
Nice to see him get his feet wet. That was a helluva a catch down the field. If he did that once a game I'd be stoked!! I see no reasons why he shouldn't be doing it.

Marcus
12-17-2012, 04:44 PM
Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/12/texans-notes-good-day-for-paralyzed-soldier/#more-30981)

Posey picks up playing time

Rookie receiver DeVier Posey entered Sunday’s game with one catch for 19 yards. On Sunday, he had three catches for 46 yards — including a 36-yarder.

Posey was getting more playing time, ahead of No. 2 receiver Kevin Walter. Walter had two catches for 11 yards.

“We like what we see from Posey in practice, and we’re playing him more,” coach Gary Kubiak said.

“What has taken place over the period of the last month is a young player who has really stepped up, so we’re going to give him more opportunities to help us.”

He must be really turning Kube's head in practice, and I imagine that it's the blocking. He's work ethic to a fault. For him to put him in the game when there is nothing wrong with Walter . . . that is huge. HUGE! Could be we have ourselves a real sleeper in the playoff run.

badboy
12-17-2012, 07:07 PM
*Jean has everything but is still work in progress because he lacks core strength.
*Martin is adjusting to route running & needs to use his body to shield the defender off or draw interference penalty (should have gotten a call against NE).
*Walter is a Texan & will retire as one, taking pay cut to help his team if needed.
*Most important thing for Posey is confidence. More PT will help especially if its all good. He reminds me a little of Mario Manningham combination of quickness & pass snagging ability. Better upside as WR than Jacoby whom I believe he was drafted to replace.

BL :wesmantexanfan:This /\. I expect to see much more out of Posey and Jean next two games. I would love to take WR off my draft board!

badboy
12-17-2012, 07:13 PM
Posey looked GREAT today and his run blocking was IMO the best of all wide outs....including 80. The long TD run by AF that was called back, Posey delivered a PERFECT back side block to the lb or db, whatever that was he blocked......ugh it was a thing of beauty. He also had a few guys 15 yards down field blocking when AF sprung loose late in the game.....mad effort by that kid todayThat block was great. Couple I was watching game with did not know what I was talking about when I yelled " On, man! Posey just lit that dude up!" Is it possible that Posey 6'2" 211 could be Walter's eventual replacement? Let's get down right giddy and say when AJ retires, Jean 6'3" 215 could be WR1?

badboy
12-17-2012, 07:21 PM
I dont deny it could go the way you are saying..but here's how i see it.

Martin is doing exactly what everyone thought he'd be doing when we drafted him...returning punts and kicks. So he's not going anywhere imo.

And Jean....These last few games we've targeted him alot....and he's never been really been open....maybe a half step at the most. Early in the NE game and in today's game, kubes/schaub threw it up to him and the guy just cant really beat his man consistently. And its not like he's facing a teams # 1 db..he's facing nickel dbs and safeties. Even in the Tenn game where he scored...he wasnt really open, schaub just threaded the needle to him and griffin gambled.

Im sure that if posey shows anything these next few weeks jean will be relegated to a special teamer for the rest of his tenure here....which is where he should be imo. Im not saying the guy has no value to this team, just dont think he can be counted on as a key contributor going forward.

& walter...i just dont think we can continue to waste a roster spot on him just because he is a "lunch pail" guy that kubes loves to keep around.Going to agree with Fiddler on Jean and he has career 6 of 11 targets for 151 yds avg 25. He needs to work on his hands and looking the ball in. As BL said he needs to improve strength to battle ball away from DB as we say AJ do. When he does these, Schaub will trust him and increase his looks. Jean offer as much as many of the second round draft hopefuls. As an UDFA at less than $1millon total next two seasons, I think Kubes will work him in. I favor him much more than you but understand your position.

The Pencil Neck
12-17-2012, 07:37 PM
That block was great. Couple I was watching game with did not know what I was talking about when I yelled " On, man! Posey just lit that dude up!" Is it possible that Posey 6'2" 211 could be Walter's eventual replacement? Let's get down right giddy and say when AJ retires, Jean 6'3" 215 could be WR1?

Isn't that what we've been talking about?

Posey was drafted to be the new KW. LJ might be the future AJ... but I expect us to go WR again next season just to make sure we've got that possible replacement ready to go.

Martin, otoh, is meant to be the slot receiver we've never really had.

TejasTom
12-17-2012, 08:05 PM
On the 36 yarder, at the snap as soon as I saw the coverage I yelled "Posey". My said "what", Schaub threw, and I said "that!"

On Inside the Game, they showed on one of Foster's long runs, Posey was blocking down field. Arian cut back and put Posey on the wrong side of the defender and they commented how smart it was for him to not block in the back there.



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Goldensilence
12-17-2012, 09:31 PM
My only problem with the Posey pick is that I think we could have had him later in the draft and didn't need to use a 3rd to get him.

Still, he's come along well. I'm hoping AJ takes him under his wing and makes him a #2.

My guess is Walter is gone unless he takes a big pay cut. He may do so, he doesn't seem to be a guy who's in it for the money alone.

This. This was my biggest problem with the pick, I just thought it was really high for a kid who had missed a year more or less and was probably going to a project for this year.

Physically he might have the tools to be a good #2 option and the fact that he's finally seeing the field is a good sign that this isn't going to be a wasted pick after all.

Barring Walter taking an even more huge paycut this next off-season I don't see how they can't really justify his salary vs production. Also given how the young guys they drafted this year and it's possible to see another high pick (Least I hope) invested in topping off the WR corps.

I still think the most underutilized guy on this offense is Casey.

steelbtexan
12-17-2012, 10:21 PM
My only problem with the Posey pick is that I think we could have had him later in the draft and didn't need to use a 3rd to get him.

Still, he's come along well. I'm hoping AJ takes him under his wing and makes him a #2.

My guess is Walter is gone unless he takes a big pay cut. He may do so, he doesn't seem to be a guy who's in it for the money alone.

Agreed he could've probably been taken later. Posey is a great athlete. His hands are what worried me. But that could've just been rust after missing last yr. Gary has done a great job of bringing Posey along slowly, letting him shake the rust off.

BTW, Yesterday was what an offense looks like with a legitimate WR2. Gary needs to break a tendency that I saw yesterday, which was in the 4th qtr everytime Walter was in the game the Texans ran the ball.

I hope the Texans still use a high pick rd 1-2 on a WR like Patterson or Dobson. Big time athletes, Schaub would look alot better with a WR crew of AJ,Posey/Patterson and Martin. Those are weapons at WR that the Texans haven't had since their inception.

TimeKiller
12-17-2012, 10:26 PM
I still think the most underutilized guy on this offense is Casey.
You can say that again.

I think our receiving corps is in decent shape with Posey, Jean and Martin backing up Johnson and Daniels. I know Walter will probably stick around as long as Kubiak does so whatever there. Graham is a good backup and Casey is still awesome even if they don't really exploit his versatility as much as they should. I don't however, believe the eventual replacement to the throne of 80 is around. Whether they choose to address that or not, I think we're pretty set for a year or two. If Posey keeps up catches like that or Martin learns how to catch then run or Jean starts making more highlight grabs...even throw in ol' steady hands Walter. Andre isn't that old!

Cordarelle Patterson is one I wouldn't mind having around!

Texans_Chick
12-17-2012, 10:31 PM
Jean, Martin and Posey all were promising but inconsistent in camp. They'd have good and bad days. In NFL, few games relatively speaking, you have to have all good days. Best of the best can't drop catchable balls because you will have very few uncontested ones even if you run perfect routes.

And in this system, the QB has to trust you because so many of the balls are timing throws and the corners are too good to run lazy/confused routes.

With 3 inexperienced players, Kubiak had to chose playing time. Jean had a headstart because he knew the playbook. Martin showed more understanding in camp early. Posey had good days but he was book raw because he hadn't been playing a ton of college ball, but had physical tools.

Posey is getting more playing time because both Jean and Martin have dropped balls. Their drop rate is way too high. Might as well start the other guy and see if he can flash the stuff he showed in college.

Both Posey and Brooks were players that had some conditioning problems early. Not that they weren't great athletes but the Texans demand some very high level conditioning. Posey hadn't played real ball for a while, and Brooks came out of the combine not knowing he was going to go to a ZBS sort of team and had a body that road grading teams might like, where they'd be ok with his combine weight. Has taken him some time to get closer to Texans conditioning levels.

Kubiak has pushed both of those players very hard. Make them earn it. The whole Kubiak teach them how to be a pro and not give anybody anything. But really, for all the youngish WRs, Kubiak wants them to take the job. To demand it through the level of their play in practice and now in games.

mexican_texan
12-18-2012, 01:25 AM
I really have to question Kubiak's decision to let teams find out about our secret weapon so early into the season. I would have waited until the playoffs, but I guess he's saving David Anderson for that.

MistaRed
12-18-2012, 01:46 AM
I really have to question Kubiak's decision to let teams find out about our secret weapon so early into the season. I would have waited until the playoffs, but I guess he's saving David Anderson for that.

I laughed.

Wolf6151
12-18-2012, 01:50 AM
While I like what I saw from Posey in the Indy game, and he's deserving of more playing time that he'll surely get, WR is still high on my mock draft list of needs.

Quick II Draw
12-18-2012, 04:46 AM
I've seen Posey play since he was considered an all-world WR out of high schol. IMO he is by far the most naturally talented WR on this team since AJ, and it's not even close. He's got sick body control, is able to separate from almost any NFL-caliber DB, and is very underrated after the catch.

He's obviously been at the bottom of the pecking order since this summer. Poor conditioning? Bad routes? Alligator arms? Who knows. None of us, that's for damn sure. When Jean and Martin made highlight reel plays in preseason, there was a lot of talk that Posey was SOL.

Whatever he's done to get on the field the last couple weeks, I hope he keeps it up. The impressive run blocking will only help his cause. It looks like he wants it. I get the impression that the NFL transition has been difficult for him. I hope he doesn't fold, because he could be an elite WR2.

deucetx
12-18-2012, 09:38 AM
Kubes has been trying hard these last few games to get 1 of these other guys to step up and take
The pressure off AJ and Daniels in the passing game. So far:

Jean hasn't been able to separate and get open/stay healthy all year
Martin has been inconsistent at best and i think he's had his hands full with ST duties.

Walter is who he is.....a #3 option that likely wont be around next year b/c of his cap hit.

I think Posey becoming a factor today isn't conicidental. Kubes just wanted to be sure the kid was ready to contribute and that he wasn't abandoning his other youngins too early..

Well said. Jean has gotten open some times but that is mainly against zone coverage. He has not been able to consistently beat someone man to man. After all folks look at his size which teams generally drool over but there's a reason the guy wasn't drafted. He's not very fast. A 4.61 forty can tell you that but Schaub made pretty evident when he said Jean has 'Deceptive speed'. That's like when your buddy sets you up on a blind date and you ask if they look good and they respond with 'They have a wonderful personality!' He's pretty good against zone coverage but is quite similar to Walter when it comes to separation.

Posey simply has more tools so we need to slow down a bit with Jean being an eventual Dre replacement. I would someone a bit more well rounded as a #1. Posey would have more chance at that then Jean since he has size and speed.

Put it like this. At no point in this season has anyone really 'split' time with Walter at #2. Jean got some snaps but Walter still would have no less than double of his snaps. This past game? Walter 38 snaps....Posey 36.

drs23
12-18-2012, 03:43 PM
Well said. Jean has gotten open some times but that is mainly against zone coverage. He has not been able to consistently beat someone man to man. After all folks look at his size which teams generally drool over but there's a reason the guy wasn't drafted. He's not very fast. A 4.61 forty can tell you that but Schaub made pretty evident when he said Jean has 'Deceptive speed'. That's like when your buddy sets you up on a blind date and you ask if they look good and they respond with 'They have a wonderful personality!' He's pretty good against zone coverage but is quite similar to Walter when it comes to separation.

Posey simply has more tools so we need to slow down a bit with Jean being an eventual Dre replacement. I would someone a bit more well rounded as a #1. Posey would have more chance at that then Jean since he has size and speed.

Put it like this. At no point in this season has anyone really 'split' time with Walter at #2. Jean got some snaps but Walter still would have no less than double of his snaps. This past game? Walter 38 snaps....Posey 36.

Geez, I didn't realize ti was that many. Glad to finally see him on the field.

76Texan
12-19-2012, 10:55 AM
Agreed he could've probably been taken later. Posey is a great athlete. His hands are what worried me. But that could've just been rust after missing last yr. Gary has done a great job of bringing Posey along slowly, letting him shake the rust off.

BTW, Yesterday was what an offense looks like with a legitimate WR2. Gary needs to break a tendency that I saw yesterday, which was in the 4th qtr everytime Walter was in the game the Texans ran the ball.

I hope the Texans still use a high pick rd 1-2 on a WR like Patterson or Dobson. Big time athletes, Schaub would look alot better with a WR crew of AJ,Posey/Patterson and Martin. Those are weapons at WR that the Texans haven't had since their inception.
Hmm, you didn't have any problem with Josh Gordon. :):kitten:

76Texan
12-19-2012, 01:04 PM
Check out Rick Smith at HoustonTexans.com

He talks about Posey and Brandon Brooks.
About time to give these guys more playing time.

Corrosion
12-19-2012, 01:42 PM
This. This was my biggest problem with the pick, I just thought it was really high for a kid who had missed a year more or less and was probably going to a project for this year.



FWIW - I had Posey mocked to the Texans in round three.

I had the opportunity to attend a workout with Posey and several other WR prospects last season and Posey stood out among them. Easily the best hands of any of the prospects in attendance which included Jeffery , Floyd , Sanu and Wright. He also stood out in the agility drills.

He's also got really deceptive speed .... think about the guy he almost chased down from behind on the ST play a few games back. ( I forget what game that was).

Considering that he out performed all of those guys taken ahead of him at that workout , I think they got value for the pick.

He hasnt gotten a lot of opportunity to get on the field but when he has he's made the most of them - Remember the first catch he made in preseason bouncing off of multiple defenders and taking it the distance ?

76Texan
12-19-2012, 01:52 PM
FWIW - I had Posey mocked to the Texans in round three.

I had the opportunity to attend a workout with Posey and several other WR prospects last season and Posey stood out among them. Easily the best hands of any of the prospects in attendance which included Jeffery , Floyd , Sanu and Wright. He also stood out in the agility drills.

He's also got really deceptive speed .... think about the guy he almost chased down from behind on the ST play a few games back. ( I forget what game that was).

Considering that he out performed all of those guys taken ahead of him at that workout , I think they got value for the pick.

He hasnt gotten a lot of opportunity to get on the field but when he has he's made the most of them - Remember the first catch he made in preseason bouncing off of multiple defenders and taking it the distance ?

I think the Texans got value for the pick, too.

I studied a majority of his games the last 3 years in college.
Good route runner, good hands, play the ball out in front, going into traffic, etc.

I thought he was a solid mid second round guy.

Mr teX
12-19-2012, 01:59 PM
If the guy turns out to be a stud for us, noone should be upset where we got him. In addition to this, we don't know where other teams had him on thier boards..maybe the texans had info that some other team had their eye on him & he wasn't going to last to the 3rd..

Brisco_County
12-19-2012, 02:25 PM
If the guy turns out to be a stud for us, noone should be upset where we got him. In addition to this, we don't know where other teams had him on thier boards..maybe the texans had info that some other team had their eye on him & he wasn't going to last to the 3rd..

This is true. Maybe some fans tend to think that draft boards are influenced by ESPN analysts or other media. Who knows how it works for every club, but you can't think that yours is the only one that knows a prospect's secret value.

michaelm
12-19-2012, 04:25 PM
I've been particularly impressed with Posey's body control and his hands. It's very encouraging, because those two attributes are hard to coach, if not impossible.

It says a lot to me that Kubiak is starting to trust him, and put him on the field more, because I've always felt that Kubiak's #1 requirement in a receiver is that the receiver make the correct reads, and run the correct routes off those reads.

I'll always believe that is the reason Walter has kept his starting position for as long as he has. He knows where he's supposed to be, and he gets himself in the correct position.

If Posey has earned Kubiak's trust, then he should be a significant upgrade from Walter moving forward.

thunderkyss
12-19-2012, 05:41 PM
I'll always believe that is the reason Walter has kept his starting position for as long as he has. He knows where he's supposed to be, and he gets himself in the correct position.

If Posey has earned Kubiak's trust, then he should be a significant upgrade from Walter moving forward.

I think the thing holding all these guys back & what's keeping Walter on the field, is that Kubiak expects these guys to act like professionals. Get to meetings on time, get to the weight room on time & work when you get there, don't go through the motions, participate in the WR meetings, demonstrate that you get it.

I'm pretty much the same way with the guys I work with. The new ones usually have experience from somewhere else & they always want to impress me with what they know, what they can do. I'm a maintenance electrician by the way. & while I do value their ability to diagnose & repair a piece of equipment, which they think makes them hot-shots, I also need to know they are going to do the other aspect of their job without me having to watch over them like a hawk. Battery maintenance, motor inspections, filter changes, lubrications, periodic inspection & overhauls of starters & breakers. That's what makes you a pro imo... make sure the **** don't break in the first place.

I'm sure Kubiak has things similar to that.

steelbtexan
12-19-2012, 06:13 PM
Hmm, you didn't have any problem with Josh Gordon. :):kitten:

None at all for a 2nd/3rd rd pick, once I found out RG3 wanted him on the Redskins. The Browns used a high 2nd supp pick on him, which I thought was a reach at the time. After seeing Gordon play this yr the Browns appear to have gotten good value. Gordon is as good as Williams/Woods Dobson/Hunter etc.... IMHO

A WR corps of AJ/Gordon/Posey/Walter and Martin looks pretty good to me. Can you promise me in the 2nd rd this yr the Texans will get a player that is as good as Gordon was this yr? I would take that player in a heartbeat. (Starter/Contributor WR1 as a rookie by the end of the yr.) Of course I dont have problems with guys who smoke weed. Some people, (BoB/Rick/Gary) do have a problem with pot smokers.

badboy
12-19-2012, 06:19 PM
Well said. Jean has gotten open some times but that is mainly against zone coverage. He has not been able to consistently beat someone man to man. After all folks look at his size which teams generally drool over but there's a reason the guy wasn't drafted. He's not very fast. A 4.61 forty can tell you that but Schaub made pretty evident when he said Jean has 'Deceptive speed'. That's like when your buddy sets you up on a blind date and you ask if they look good and they respond with 'They have a wonderful personality!' He's pretty good against zone coverage but is quite similar to Walter when it comes to separation.

Posey simply has more tools so we need to slow down a bit with Jean being an eventual Dre replacement. I would someone a bit more well rounded as a #1. Posey would have more chance at that then Jean since he has size and speed.

Put it like this. At no point in this season has anyone really 'split' time with Walter at #2. Jean got some snaps but Walter still would have no less than double of his snaps. This past game? Walter 38 snaps....Posey 36.

Geez, I didn't realize ti was that many. Glad to finally see him on the field.In this video he pronounces his name and states his improvement in 40 from 4.8s to 4.5s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cKL-dVsmA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Combine 4.59 unofficial. I had much rather see him increase his ability to pull ball down against close coverage and take it away from DBs like we saw AJ do recently.

76Texan
12-19-2012, 07:23 PM
None at all for a 2nd/3rd rd pick, once I found out RG3 wanted him on the Redskins. The Browns used a high 2nd supp pick on him, which I thought was a reach at the time. After seeing Gordon play this yr the Browns appear to have gotten good value. Gordon is as good as Williams/Woods Dobson/Hunter etc.... IMHO

A WR corps of AJ/Gordon/Posey/Walter and Martin looks pretty good to me. Can you promise me in the 2nd rd this yr the Texans will get a player that is as good as Gordon was this yr? I would take that player in a heartbeat. (Starter/Contributor WR1 as a rookie by the end of the yr.) Of course I dont have problems with guys who smoke weed. Some people, (BoB/Rick/Gary) do have a problem with pot smokers.

You may want to go back and reread your own post.

I know you like Gordon.

How can you miss what was going on with him and use it as a knock against Posey is the question.

htownfan32
12-20-2012, 12:33 AM
Here's hoping Posey has at least five catches and 50+ yards next game. I'd love to see him break out for us in the playoffs. The one catch in double coverage against the Colts was a thing of beauty.

steelbtexan
12-20-2012, 12:44 AM
You may want to go back and reread your own post.

I know you like Gordon.

How can you miss what was going on with him and use it as a knock against Posey is the question.

My opinion that Posey would've been available later, due to rust in the Sr Bowl practices. He was rusty and was dropping alot of passes was not meant as a knock against Posey.

He's obviously talented but you could tell that he sat of a yr. I didn't mean to use Gordon to say Posey was a bad pick. I said that drafting Posey and Gordon with a 2nd rd pick in the supp. draft would've been ideal.

But it was a moot point because the Browns used a high 2nd rd pick. Hope this clarifies my position.

steelbtexan
12-20-2012, 12:46 AM
[QUOTE=drs23;2083256]In this video he pronounces his name and states his improvement in 40 from 4.8s to 4.5s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cKL-dVsmA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Combine 4.59 unofficial. I had much rather see him increase his ability to pull ball down against close coverage and take it away from DBs like we saw AJ do recently.

Posey seems faster than that in pads.

eriadoc
12-20-2012, 12:59 AM
Well said. Jean has gotten open some times but that is mainly against zone coverage. He has not been able to consistently beat someone man to man. After all folks look at his size which teams generally drool over but there's a reason the guy wasn't drafted. He's not very fast. A 4.61 forty can tell you that but Schaub made pretty evident when he said Jean has 'Deceptive speed'.

OK, let's figure out how to make a physics word problem out of this.

Lestar Jean runs a 4.61 second 40-yd dash. Matt Schaub has a noodle arm and can't throw the ball 60 yards. How many seconds into the play will Schaub have to release the ball in order for Andre Johnson to have to stop and wait for the ball in order for AJ to match Jean's 4.61 second 40 yard time?

Well .... you get the point anyway. Having fast receivers would be just as great as having a QB that could throw him open.

TejasTom
12-20-2012, 08:23 AM
Posey seems faster than that in pads.

Posey is faster than that. His combine time was 4.37.

The numbers quoted were for Jean.

OK, let's figure out how to make a physics word problem out of this.

Lestar Jean runs a 4.61 second 40-yd dash. Matt Schaub has a noodle arm and can't throw the ball 60 yards. How many seconds into the play will Schaub have to release the ball in order for Andre Johnson to have to stop and wait for the ball in order for AJ to match Jean's 4.61 second 40 yard time?

Well .... you get the point anyway. Having fast receivers would be just as great as having a QB that could throw him open.

I don't know about Jean, but if Schaub takes a 5 step drop Dre has already out ran his arm.

IDEXAN
12-20-2012, 08:53 AM
[QUOTE=steelbtexan;2084327]

Posey is faster than that. His combine time was 4.37.

His official time recorded electronically by combine officials was 4.50 which is what needs to be the time we go by because it's compared to everyone elses "official time". Somebody like maybe his agent or brother might have clicked off a handheld 4.37, but those kinds of times can be less than objective for obvious reasons.

Mr teX
12-20-2012, 10:42 AM
OK, let's figure out how to make a physics word problem out of this.

Lestar Jean runs a 4.61 second 40-yd dash. Matt Schaub has a noodle arm and can't throw the ball 60 yards. How many seconds into the play will Schaub have to release the ball in order for Andre Johnson to have to stop and wait for the ball in order for AJ to match Jean's 4.61 second 40 yard time?

Well .... you get the point anyway. Having fast receivers would be just as great as having a QB that could throw him open.



People overplay the schaub arm strength thing imo. His arm surely isn't the strongest but he can get it there; he can throw guys open.

Just off the top of my head, the denver game this year..the TD to AJ was about 55-60 yds in the air & the TD to walter was somewhere around 55. Neither guy had to really slow down to get it..it was pretty much where it needed to be. He also had a long TD pass to Jacoby last year where Jacoby had to leg it out to get it over Ed Reed of all people. All 3 of those throws He had guys bearing down on him to where he really couldn't follow thru...1 of them he was throwing off his back foot. The chad pennington's of the NFL can't make those throws under those circumstances...

His real problem is his deep ball acurracy b/c he tends to put a little too much air under the ball. Guys usually have issues with this when they're taking something off the ball to make sure their guy has a chance to get it. Just my opinion of course.

badboy
12-20-2012, 11:17 AM
[QUOTE=badboy;2084073]

Posey seems faster than that in pads.He is. Jean is a high 4.5 and Pose a 4.4 not a lot if we realize those are tenths of a second difference.

ChampionTexan
12-20-2012, 11:19 AM
[QUOTE=TejasTom;2084383]
His official time recorded electronically by combine officials was 4.50 which is what needs to be the time we go by because it's compared to everyone elses "official time". Somebody like maybe his agent or brother might have clicked off a handheld 4.37, but those kinds of times can be less than objective for obvious reasons.

There's conflicting info. on even the "Official" time. Here's an NFL combine page that lists a 40 time of 4.37. Interestingly, every other stat agrees with those linked to off of his NFL player page.

http://m.nfl.com/combine/profile/2532930/devier-posey/

noxiousdog
12-20-2012, 11:24 AM
Quickness and acceleration is probably more important than top end speed anyway.

76Texan
12-20-2012, 11:31 AM
My opinion that Posey would've been available later, due to rust in the Sr Bowl practices. He was rusty and was dropping alot of passes was not meant as a knock against Posey.

He's obviously talented but you could tell that he sat of a yr. I didn't mean to use Gordon to say Posey was a bad pick. I said that drafting Posey and Gordon with a 2nd rd pick in the supp. draft would've been ideal.

But it was a moot point because the Browns used a high 2nd rd pick. Hope this clarifies my position.

Posey was allowed to practice with his team the whole year.
He played in the last 3 games.
He went to the Senior Bowl and attended the combine.

Gordon got kicked off the Baylor team; transfer rule does not allow him to practice at Utah.

Why did you think Posier is a reach because he's rusty and not Gordon, I fail to see the logic there :)

rmartin65
12-20-2012, 11:33 AM
I am pleasantly surprised by Posey. I did not like the pick- I watched him for years at OSU (I was a student there), and thought he was a good college player, but would not amount to anything in the NFL. If he keeps playing like he did last week, I have some crow to eat.

badboy
12-20-2012, 11:35 AM
Check out Rick Smith at HoustonTexans.com

He talks about Posey and Brandon Brooks.
About time to give these guys more playing time.Broks "very gifted athlete at his size. able to bring him along slowly and he is improving."

Devier in practise "is explosive. Brought along slowly but will get more reps and might help down the stretch. Fast, great hands, length to separate & good strength. He and Lestar is last two on practise field."

Good info thanks 76!

76Texan
12-20-2012, 11:40 AM
I am pleasantly surprised by Posey. I did not like the pick- I watched him for years at OSU (I was a student there), and thought he was a good college player, but would not amount to anything in the NFL. If he keeps playing like he did last week, I have some crow to eat.

That's weird because I watched a majority of his games and I think his skill set can translate well to the pros.

He runs good routes, getting in and out of his break with suddenness.
He knows not to allow the CB to pin him to the side line.
He knows when to adjust his routes to help out his QB when he's under pressure.

I think he will continue to do well if he keeps putting in hard works.

76Texan
12-20-2012, 11:42 AM
Broks "very gifted athlete at his size. able to bring him along slowly and he is improving."

Devier in practise "is explosive. Brought along slowly but will get more reps and might help down the stretch. Fast, great hands, length to separate & good strength. He and Lestar is last two on practise field."

Good info thanks 76!

You're welcome.

Yeah, I thought it was good to hear those comments.

Sure sounds like they have made a lot of progress. :doot:

beerlover
12-20-2012, 11:57 AM
I always enjoy when draft forum reaches mainstream so fans can see why some of us enjoy this aspect of Texans so much. Really spot on from combine, even to 3rd rd. grade based off available information. With more production & without NCAA sanctions it's not that far of reach to say DeVier Posey would have received a second round grade, at least end of day probably how Texan War Room valued this prospect :)

Here is just one sample from yesteryear, hope some of you enjoy :fostering:

I would prefer to keep focused on the business of working the draft board which for the second year in a row Rick Smith has done an excellent job of doing, IMO. Some of us draft pundits or whatever some wish to label those of us who are passionate about the draft, your right don't have the resources. Heck I don't even cover the Big 10 with exception of a couple teams. One of my draft buddies rmartin65 posted this thread which focused on Texan draft pick frequency per College: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85653
2012 Draft
Round 1- Big 10
Round 3- Big 10
Round 3- MAC
Round 4- SEC
Round 4- Big 10
Round 4- Big 10
Round 5- Big 12
Round 6- Big 10

So it's not really about missing on talent its more a question of coverage, which is incomplete to say the least. I have no problem with that, got to work, missed the first two nights of draft in fact because duty called, its all good. All I can cover are those I watch & break down film personally. Love what I see from Whitney, clear BPA, small sample size, very fluid & explosive. I'm also willing to give Posey benifit of doubt despite his actions off field & limited production on the field. But he does have plus speed, ability to separate (better than Randle or Sanu) & good hands. Reminds me of a bigger Mario Manningham.

Back to the ability to trust your board & make positive moves under the gun. This draft should establish Rick Smith track record as one of the better GM's in the NFL. Having Wade working with Gary is a big plus. Scouts are doing a very good job in film rooms, College games, combine, pro-days & back ground checks. Anyone else see something different? positive/negative let it out :uchicken:

rmartin65
12-20-2012, 12:26 PM
That's weird because I watched a majority of his games and I think his skill set can translate well to the pros.

He runs good routes, getting in and out of his break with suddenness.
He knows not to allow the CB to pin him to the side line.
He knows when to adjust his routes to help out his QB when he's under pressure.

I think he will continue to do well if he keeps putting in hard works.

I just saw a bunch of "average" qualities when I watched him. Good hands, not great. Good routes, not great. Good speed, not great. But the biggest thing, is that I saw him alligator arm it on routes across the middle. I hate when receivers seem scared going across the middle.

Anyway, if I was wrong, then I was wrong. Does not bother me in the least, as I root for every Texan to succeed.

steelbtexan
12-20-2012, 12:53 PM
Posey was allowed to practice with his team the whole year.
He played in the last 3 games.
He went to the Senior Bowl and attended the combine.

Gordon got kicked off the Baylor team; transfer rule does not allow him to practice at Utah.

Why did you think Posier is a reach because he's rusty and not Gordon, I fail to see the logic there :)

I thought Posey was a reach because I thought he was a good at everything/great at nothing WR. A Good at everything WR2 is an upgrade to the Texans WR corps. IMHO

Gordon had the ability to be a star WR1 type WR. IMHO I guess what I'm saying is I think Gordon has the ability to be better than Posey.

Gordon has developed into the Browns WR1. So I think my evaluation stands on it's own. I hope Posey can reach WR1 level someday. This was not meant to be a slight to Poseys abilities. You took one sentence in a paragraph out of context and made it out to be a slight of Poseys ability, which it wasn't meant to be.

Which WR's in this yrs draft do you think have potential to be WR's 1 type guys and where would you rank Gordon if he was in this draft class?

htownfan32
12-20-2012, 01:04 PM
OK, let's figure out how to make a physics word problem out of this.

Lestar Jean runs a 4.61 second 40-yd dash. Matt Schaub has a noodle arm and can't throw the ball 60 yards. How many seconds into the play will Schaub have to release the ball in order for Andre Johnson to have to stop and wait for the ball in order for AJ to match Jean's 4.61 second 40 yard time?

Well .... you get the point anyway. Having fast receivers would be just as great as having a QB that could throw him open.

I hated high school AP physics for that very reason^ friggin word problems.

deucetx
12-20-2012, 02:20 PM
I just saw a bunch of "average" qualities when I watched him. Good hands, not great. Good routes, not great. Good speed, not great. But the biggest thing, is that I saw him alligator arm it on routes across the middle. I hate when receivers seem scared going across the middle.

Anyway, if I was wrong, then I was wrong. Does not bother me in the least, as I root for every Texan to succeed.

Naw I think that was in his scouting report regarding the 'alligator arms'. Luckily, we just saw him make a catch right in front of a safety last game and he took it like a champ. Guess it helps that you're not allowed to even breath on receivers these days so there is less fear going over the middle so the receivers can be nicely cuddled...


....is it obvious I was a defensive back? LOL

badboy
12-20-2012, 02:45 PM
I always enjoy when draft forum reaches mainstream so fans can see why some of us enjoy this aspect of Texans so much. Really spot on from combine, even to 3rd rd. grade based off available information. With more production & without NCAA sanctions it's not that far of reach to say DeVier Posey would have received a second round grade, at least end of day probably how Texan War Room valued this prospect :)

Here is just one sample from yesteryear, hope some of you enjoy :fostering:Hear, hear!! :handshake::toast2:

badboy
12-20-2012, 02:50 PM
Naw I think that was in his scouting report regarding the 'alligator arms'. Luckily, we just saw him make a catch right in front of a safety last game and he took it like a champ. Guess it helps that you're not allowed to even breath on receivers these days so there is less fear going over the middle so the receivers can be nicely cuddled...


....is it obvious I was a defensive back? LOLI am a "defense" guy but too much bumping going on. If you bumped a concert pianist off his chair the result would not be good nor fair. If you were having brain surgery, would it be ok for the nurse to bump the doctor 'cause that is just part of operating room game? Same with basketball, the ball is fair but not the body of the offensive player. Mauling should be left to the football linemen and the DBs down field. IMO even our guy Joseph gets away with a lot.

The Pencil Neck
12-20-2012, 03:46 PM
I think a lot of Posey's "alligator arm" issue in college was because he didn't trust his QB not to get him killed.

76Texan
12-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Naw I think that was in his scouting report regarding the 'alligator arms'. Luckily, we just saw him make a catch right in front of a safety last game and he took it like a champ. Guess it helps that you're not allowed to even breath on receivers these days so there is less fear going over the middle so the receivers can be nicely cuddled...


....is it obvious I was a defensive back? LOL

You read those reports and one would say that while another would say the exact opposite.

76Texan
12-20-2012, 04:03 PM
Naw I think that was in his scouting report regarding the 'alligator arms'. Luckily, we just saw him make a catch right in front of a safety last game and he took it like a champ. Guess it helps that you're not allowed to even breath on receivers these days so there is less fear going over the middle so the receivers can be nicely cuddled...


....is it obvious I was a defensive back? LOL

I think a lot of Posey's "alligator arm" issue in college was because he didn't trust his QB not to get him killed.

I honestly didn't see that problem.

The funny thing is I once read a website that brought up a play to talk about this "so-called" issue. The ball was closer to the safety than to Posier. Neither can't get to the ball, but they said he short-armed the ball because he saw the safety coming. The truth is he knew neither was going to get to the ball. Don't get killed over nothing.

eriadoc
12-20-2012, 04:09 PM
I hated high school AP physics for that very reason^ friggin word problems.

At what angle would Matt Schaub need to throw the ball if there were a wind in his face at 1 m/s? Calculate theta. How high would Schaub have to throw the ball in order for AJ to be able to jump over the slow-ass Colt that AJ had already beaten but had to come back to?

:D

rmartin65
12-20-2012, 04:14 PM
I honestly didn't see that problem.

The funny thing is I once read a website that brought up a play to talk about this "so-called" issue. The ball was closer to the safety than to Posier. Neither can't get to the ball, but they said he short-armed the ball because he saw the safety coming. The truth is he knew neither was going to get to the ball. Don't get killed over nothing.

A play. I expect better of you 76, you are the one who breaks down countless plays to prove a point!

I saw him alligator arming it. Granted, student seats at OSU are not that great, but I feel confident in what I saw.

It is a correctable issue though, and I have no doubt that, like TPN said, it was likely influenced by a lack of trust in his QB. We saw him make a nice grab the other day, hopefully we see more of that.

badboy
12-20-2012, 04:15 PM
At what angle would Matt Schaub need to throw the ball if there were a wind in his face at 1 m/s? Calculate theta. How high would Schaub have to throw the ball in order for AJ to be able to jump over the slow-ass Colt that AJ had already beaten but had to come back to?

:DShut up dudes with your "physics". Algebra kicked by butt. Numbers are bad enough then they want to throw the alphabet at me? Letters are for sentences not math.

76Texan
12-20-2012, 04:20 PM
A play. I expect better of you 76, you are the one who breaks down countless plays to prove a point!

I saw him alligator arming it. Granted, student seats at OSU are not that great, but I feel confident in what I saw.

It is a correctable issue though, and I have no doubt that, like TPN said, it was likely influenced by a lack of trust in his QB. We saw him make a nice grab the other day, hopefully we see more of that.

I know, that's why I think it's funny that they used only one play to declare that he has the knack of short-arming the ball.

And they use the wrong play to describe it, LOL! :toropalm:

I've had reviewed more than 15 Buckeyes games with Posier playing.

rmartin65
12-20-2012, 04:23 PM
I know, that's why I think it's funny that they used only one play to declare that he has the knack of short-arming the ball.

And they use the wrong play to describe it, LOL! :toropalm:

I've had reviewed more than 15 Buckeyes games with Posier playing.

I'm sure you have watched a bunch of Posey's games, I was just giving you are hard time.

Do you ever see him becoming a number 1?

thunderkyss
12-20-2012, 04:49 PM
At what angle would Matt Schaub need to throw the ball if there were a wind in his face at 1 m/s? Calculate theta. How high would Schaub have to throw the ball in order for AJ to be able to jump over the slow-ass Colt that AJ had already beaten but had to come back to?

:D

It's difficult to believe there are football knowledgeable people who believe Matt probably underthrew that ball on purpose. Simply because Matt said he prefers to.

That is asinine. That would have been a touchdown had it been thrown correctly. Andre has been robbed of tens of TDs a year because of throws like that.

76Texan
12-20-2012, 04:56 PM
I'm sure you have watched a bunch of Posey's games, I was just giving you are hard time.

Do you ever see him becoming a number 1?

I don't know.
It's hard to imagine that; especially not one in the top half of the league anyway.

There was hardly a play that make you go WOW.
He's not a freak; not real tall, not real big, not real fast, not real tricky, not real quick, not real explosive, doesn't have really big hands, doesn't jump really high, etc.

He's just pretty good to very good at a lot of different things.

It's probably more realistic to look at him as the eventual replacement for Walter.

Mr teX
12-20-2012, 06:03 PM
It's difficult to believe there are football knowledgeable people who believe Matt probably underthrew that ball on purpose. Simply because Matt said he prefers to.

That is asinine. That would have been a touchdown had it been thrown correctly. Andre has been robbed of tens of TDs a year because of throws like that.

May not have been on purpose, but its better to underthrow it and at least give him a shot to out-jump the db and get it rather than over throwing him and missing the opportunity to put points on the board all together...

thunderkyss
12-20-2012, 06:16 PM
May not have been on purpose, but its better to underthrow it and at least give him a shot to out-jump the db and get it rather than over throwing him and missing the opportunity to put points on the board all together...

I'm fine with that. Don't believe it. They've only had 6 years to work on it... but whatever.

However, elite & clutch should not be on the short list of adjectives when describing Matt Schaub. Not with throws like that.

Mr teX
12-20-2012, 06:28 PM
I'm fine with that. Don't believe it. They've only had 6 years to work on it... but whatever.

However, elite & clutch should not be on the short list of adjectives when describing Matt Schaub. Not with throws like that.

I agree. Just listing the pros and cons of airing it out vs. throwing it short like that sometimes. Clearly, that particular throw was one he'd want back though.