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beerlover
12-11-2012, 11:21 AM
Greetings & salutations fellow Texan mocksters & fans here is my reaction to last nights game. Trying not to over react in the moment, but hey, it is what it is, this is how I cope The middle of Texan D was exposed all night by the Patriots as they jammed the ball down Texan throats, man handling our DT's Cody & Mitchell. I have to admit now may be the time to address this position with a premium pick & Jenkins who would more than plug this hole, much like Wilfork. Otherwise the linebackers need retooled/fortified, another set of hands that can hang onto a pass, improved man coverage from corner/safety position, right side offensive line help a must & Texans, with Garret dinged suffer far too much, need plus blocker to help give Schaub more time so they are razor thin @ TE position.

FIRST ROUND: John Jenkins, NT, Georgia, 6-3 350
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/11/27/2c/1c/s-john-jenkins.jpg
Moves fluid despite size, country strong, can both push or plug piles. Separates defenders effectively walling off double teams inside on Watt or Smith. The Patriots ran straight ahead for solid gains all game long against the interior of Texans DL. To fill this big hole Texans need a big run stuffing Nose Tackle who is also disruptive like Vince Wilfork. If need be Texans should move up in order to address position, as you can see Texans have some extra picks to work with here & cashing in now would not be the worst thing in the world. Evaluating this class I've graded out Jenkins as the top pick for Texans/Wade Phillips 3-4.

SECOND ROUND: Brian Winters, OT/OG, Kent State, 6-5 310
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/wp-content/slideshow/2012/11/2013-nfl-mock-draft/medium/brian-winters-howard-smith.jpg
Right side is a work in progress & needs to be addressed early, Had Flucker here from Alabama last go around, but don't feel he lasts this long come draft day. Winters is your more typical, athletic ZBS tackle who could also kick inside to RG, that only increases his value to depth starved Texans right side of the OL. Very balanced game can stone defensive ends on left side or pull in run blocking @ Collegiate level. Excellent base & fluid in the hole, can mirror or manhandle would be rushers. Texans must upgrade right side of OL.

THIRD ROUND: Michael Buchanan, OLB/DE, Illinois, 6-5 240
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/i/20091031-illini-football-michigan/fbmich09-1037.jpg
OK peeps, I'm sold moving on without Connor Barwin, he is doing nothing, 2 sacks in 13 games doesn't cut the cheese. Unless he signs on the cheap, Texans do need to add another pass rusher. Of course Brooks will come back next year but Texans need to add a pass rusher who can bend, turn the corner instead of locking up center of his man. The other reason I like Buchanan is he swatts a lot of balls @ line of scrimmage, Texans are also very familiar with program having drafted Whitney last year in 1st rd.

THIRD ROUND (Mario Williams compensatory): Kiko Alonzo, ILB, Oregon, 6-4 246

Great length, smart, instinctive & excellent in coverage. Texans need a bigger, longer cover guy in 3rd down situations who can stick & pull with these hybrid TE's & elusive RB's. Hard worker that will improve & flourish in Wade Phillips system. Gruden made the comment Patriots had drafted a bunch of SEC LB'S who are saying come on Texans lets see what you got & dominated the line of scrimmage. While these two LB's are not SEC or especially high picks like a Mayo, Hightower or Spikes they fill similar roles from the Big 10 (Mercilus/Buchanon) & Pac 12.

FOURTH ROUND: Conner Vernon, WR, Duke, 6-1 200

Schaub needs more receiving options, a smart, plus hands WR that runs tight timing routes & can secure the football in traffic is a must at some point this draft. Would like to spend earlier pick on a bigger, faster body but would require a much higher pick like Marshall Aaron Dobson but Texans also need somebody ready to plug in now & Conner seems like the type who can transition quickly, mature & ultra competitive.

FIFTH ROUND: Tyrann Mathieu, CB/S, LSU, 5-9 178
http://www.sportsbully.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/tyrann-mathieu-opy0-743112.jpg
Despite personal problems, because of playmaking skills & ability to produce on the field Texans should not pass if available this late to address nickle position very least. Would also improve special teams as gunner, that has been woeful at best all season. This is breaking point for me, where value overcomes negative so would hope Texans take a chance on such a high ceiling player @ a position of need.

FIFTH ROUND (Jacoby Jones/Mike Brisel compensatory) Jordan Kovacs, SS, Michigan, 5-11 202

Insurance in case Quin does not resign. Excellent safety prospect this late who will compete & probably win roster spot otherwise from Shiloh Keo. Jordan is a walk on Senior who was very productive during his career with astounding 331 tackles in four years playing for Michigan, his best season was his sophomore year with 116 tackles. Solid in zone coverage & takes good angles in run support.

SIXTH ROUND: Onterio McCalebb, RB/KR, Auburn, 5-9 176
http://media.al.com/press-register-sports/photo/mccalebb-vs-west-virginiajpg-f0f65aedfe6e6ab5_large.jpg
Reminiscent of Holliday pick to help improve special teams. More similar to Dexter McCluster, can fill 3rd down duties, elusive, good hands (not as small as Trindon) has rushed for 2,586 yards, 63 receptions out of the backfield, 8.5 yards per carry & 25.6 yards per return in the SEC.

SEVENTH ROUND: Tanner Hawkinson, OT/OG, Kansas, 6-4 300

Four year starter (LT) who has played under three head coaches, best fit for ZBS probably kicks inside to LG or possibly swing tackle to compete with Gardner. Good mobility & excels in pass protection. Texans need to retool their OL with multiple prospects both early & late to solidify scheme/game planning.

SEVENTH ROUND (Joel Dreessen compensatory): Ben Cotton, TE, 6-6 255
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/870/561/hi-res-151124087_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75
Dreessen was an undrafted free agent, so Texans could wait again until after the draft but why when they could lock up a blocking, big framed TE? Could develop as a pass catcher in time but would fill that role Texans are missing with departure of Joel. As seen last night the loss of Garrett Graham to injury was a bigger factor than most thought, Cotton would provide much needed depth & helping inline blocking pass rushing issue.

htownfan32
12-11-2012, 12:02 PM
I think we'd go corner somewhere a little farther up, but if Tyrann Mathieu is there in the fifth... After JJo, KJax and Brice McCain, I'm not too impressed with our CBs. I'd love to have Mathieu on our team, if he can sort out his act. Agree with the NT pick, seems like our 1st rounder is either going to go towards that or towards right side O-line.

Barwin needs to go.

Great mock! Fills quite a bit of gaps in our team, and I like the TE pick too. Losing Graham hurt our offense a bit. We either need Casey to be a TE all the time and use that guy we picked up from the Bears as our FB or we need an extra TE so Casey can play FB.

2012Champs
12-11-2012, 12:27 PM
I dont see the Texans picking up Tyrann Mathieu at all

beerlover
12-11-2012, 12:43 PM
I dont see the Texans picking up Tyrann Mathieu at all

predicated on successful interview process w/Texans (see Posey) have little doubt he can impact Texan secondary, special teams @ multiple positions :tiphat:

2012Champs
12-11-2012, 12:54 PM
predicated on successful interview process w/Texans (see Posey) have little doubt he can impact Texan secondary, special teams @ multiple positions :tiphat:



I didnt say he couldnt have an impact not to mention Posey and the Texans' risk certainly isnt the norm for the club

thunderkyss
12-11-2012, 12:58 PM
I don't like it.

I do like the second round OT/OG, but I'd rather use the first round pick on a WR. The baddest WR in the draft. I don't care if we have to give away our 2014 1st & 2nd. We need real help for AJ.

KDub, whatever. & the kids..... no. Time to get some real talent for Kubiak's offense.

I don't remember the Kubiak offense in Denver being a one man WR show. There were at least three guys you had to account for every game. Rod Smith, Ed McCaffey, & Shanon Sharpe.

rmartin65
12-11-2012, 01:01 PM
FIRST ROUND: John Jenkins, NT, Georgia, 6-3 350

Moves fluid despite size, country strong, can both push or plug piles. Separates defenders effectively walling off double teams inside on Watt or Smith. The Patriots ran straight ahead for solid gains all game long against the interior of Texans DL. To fill this big hole Texans need a big run stuffing Nose Tackle who is also disruptive like Vince Wilfork. If need be Texans should move up in order to address position, as you can see Texans have some extra picks to work with here & cashing in now would not be the worst thing in the world. Evaluating this class I've graded out Jenkins as the top pick for Texans/Wade Phillips 3-4.

SECOND ROUND: Brian Winters, OT/OG, Kent State, 6-5 310

Right side is a work in progress & needs to be addressed early, Had Flucker here from Alabama last go around, but don't feel he lasts this long come draft day. Winters is your more typical, athletic ZBS tackle who could also kick inside to RG, that only increases his value to depth starved Texans right side of the OL. Very balanced game can stone defensive ends on left side or pull in run blocking @ Collegiate level. Excellent base & fluid in the hole, can mirror or manhandle would be rushers. Texans must upgrade right side of OL.

THIRD ROUND: Michael Buchanan, OLB/DE, Illinois, 6-5 240

OK peeps, I'm sold moving on without Connor Barwin, he is doing nothing, 2 sacks in 13 games doesn't cut the cheese. Unless he signs on the cheap, Texans do need to add another pass rusher. Of course Brooks will come back next year but Texans need to add a pass rusher who can bend, turn the corner instead of locking up center of his man. The other reason I like Buchanan is he swatts a lot of balls @ line of scrimmage, Texans are also very familiar with program having drafted Whitney last year in 1st rd.

THIRD ROUND (Mario Williams compensatory): Kiko Alonzo, ILB, Oregon, 6-4 246

Great length, smart, instinctive & excellent in coverage. Texans need a bigger, longer cover guy in 3rd down situations who can stick & pull with these hybrid TE's & elusive RB's. Hard worker that will improve & flourish in Wade Phillips system. Gruden made the comment Patriots had drafted a bunch of SEC LB'S who are saying come on Texans lets see what you got & dominated the line of scrimmage. While these two LB's are not SEC or especially high picks like a Mayo, Hightower or Spikes they fill similar roles from the Big 10 (Mercilus/Buchanon) & Pac 12.

FOURTH ROUND: Conner Vernon, WR, Duke, 6-1 200

Schaub needs more receiving options, a smart, plus hands WR that runs tight timing routes & can secure the football in traffic is a must at some point this draft. Would like to spend earlier pick on a bigger, faster body but would require a much higher pick like Marshall Aaron Dobson but Texans also need somebody ready to plug in now & Conner seems like the type who can transition quickly, mature & ultra competitive.

FIFTH ROUND: Tyrann Mathieu, CB/S, LSU, 5-9 178

Despite personal problems, because of playmaking skills & ability to produce on the field Texans should not pass if available this late to address nickle position very least. Would also improve special teams as gunner, that has been woeful at best all season. This is breaking point for me, where value overcomes negative so would hope Texans take a chance on such a high ceiling player @ a position of need.

FIFTH ROUND (Jacoby Jones/Mike Brisel compensatory) Jordan Kovacs, SS, Michigan, 5-11 202

Insurance in case Quin does not resign. Excellent safety prospect this late who will compete & probably win roster spot otherwise from Shiloh Keo. Jordan is a walk on Senior who was very productive during his career with astounding 331 tackles in four years playing for Michigan, his best season was his sophomore year with 116 tackles. Solid in zone coverage & takes good angles in run support.

SIXTH ROUND: Onterio McCalebb, RB/KR, Auburn, 5-9 176

Reminiscent of Holliday pick to help improve special teams. More similar to Dexter McCluster, can fill 3rd down duties, elusive, good hands (not as small as Trindon) has rushed for 2,586 yards, 63 receptions out of the backfield, 8.5 yards per carry & 25.6 yards per return in the SEC.

SEVENTH ROUND: Tanner Hawkinson, OT/OG, Kansas, 6-4 300

Four year starter (LT) who has played under three head coaches, best fit for ZBS probably kicks inside to LG or possibly swing tackle to compete with Gardner. Good mobility & excels in pass protection. Texans need to retool their OL with multiple prospects both early & late to solidify scheme/game planning.

SEVENTH ROUND (Joel Dreessen compensatory): Ben Cotton, TE, 6-6 255

Dreessen was an undrafted free agent, so Texans could wait again until after the draft but why when they could lock up a blocking, big framed TE? Could develop as a pass catcher in time but would fill that role Texans are missing with departure of Joel. As seen last night the loss of Garrett Graham to injury was a bigger factor than most thought, Cotton would provide much needed depth & helping inline blocking pass rushing issue.

Looks good BL. I like most of the players involved, but here are my thoughts:

1) I realize that NT is a huge need, but is Jenkins the guy? He is massive and incredibly strong, but like with all big guys I worry about his athleticism and if he will eat himself out of the league. And it goes without saying that if Jenkins is the pick then the D changes a bit, as Jenkins plays much different than Cody and Mitchell. I like the pick, as I think he has probably the highest upside of the big NTs, but it still worries me.

2) Love it. I think I mocked Winters in the 3rd a couple weeks ago, and I think the 2nd is probably a better place to grab him. He can be a day 1 starter at RT.

3) Meh. I am not wild about this guy, but we do need to upgrade the OLB position. Only 4.5 sacks and 7 TFLs just dont cut it for me.

3) I like this pick though, good call. ILB needs to be upgraded.

4) I like Vernon as well. I am moving away from the idea that we need a future number 1, as AJ is still going strong. Vernon can be an ideal number 2. Great routes and underrated speed/accel.

5) I dont see it BL, I just dont see it. Character issues, size reservations, and has not played in a year. Plus, CB is becoming a much bigger need than the 5th round.

5) I like grabbing a SS here. I dont know much about this guy, but from the internet he sounds pretty good.

6) Sign me up. Another wrinkle for the offense, brings in some speed.

7) This guy is on my radar too. I think he would make a pretty good swing tackle, but maybe LG is not out of the question.

7) Sounds good.

beerlover
12-11-2012, 02:17 PM
Looks good BL. I like most of the players involved, but here are my thoughts:

1) I realize that NT is a huge need, but is Jenkins the guy? He is massive and incredibly strong, but like with all big guys I worry about his athleticism and if he will eat himself out of the league. And it goes without saying that if Jenkins is the pick then the D changes a bit, as Jenkins plays much different than Cody and Mitchell. I like the pick, as I think he has probably the highest upside of the big NTs, but it still worries me.

2) Love it. I think I mocked Winters in the 3rd a couple weeks ago, and I think the 2nd is probably a better place to grab him. He can be a day 1 starter at RT.

3) Meh. I am not wild about this guy, but we do need to upgrade the OLB position. Only 4.5 sacks and 7 TFLs just dont cut it for me.

3) I like this pick though, good call. ILB needs to be upgraded.

4) I like Vernon as well. I am moving away from the idea that we need a future number 1, as AJ is still going strong. Vernon can be an ideal number 2. Great routes and underrated speed/accel.

5) I dont see it BL, I just dont see it. Character issues, size reservations, and has not played in a year. Plus, CB is becoming a much bigger need than the 5th round.

5) I like grabbing a SS here. I dont know much about this guy, but from the internet he sounds pretty good.

6) Sign me up. Another wrinkle for the offense, brings in some speed.

7) This guy is on my radar too. I think he would make a pretty good swing tackle, but maybe LG is not out of the question.

7) Sounds good.

I've really, really struggled signing off on a nose to plug in Wade Phillips defense. His game against Alabama sold me.

OT must be addressed. Texans seem razor thin after Brown & Newton.

Mercilus is weakside OLB probably for good. His teammate from Illinois plays stronside, actually had 7.5 sacks with Whitney Junior season.

Linebacker lack of coverage skill set, post Cushing, exposed.

Vernon could turn into Welker clone.

TM has swagger, just long as it's on the field.

Another speedster returner is needed, special teams suck.

Another OT/OG with mobility to compete & have competent depth.

How can TE suddenly become so thin, especially help in blocking?

2012Champs
12-11-2012, 02:20 PM
TM has swagger



Oh well in that case lets sign him :toropalm:

infantrycak
12-11-2012, 02:22 PM
SIXTH ROUND: Onterio McCalebb, RB/KR, Auburn, 5-9 176

Reminiscent of Holliday pick to help improve special teams. More similar to Dexter McCluster, can fill 3rd down duties, elusive, good hands (not as small as Trindon) has rushed for 2,586 yards, 63 receptions out of the backfield, 8.5 yards per carry & 25.6 yards per return in the SEC.

I'm not seeing this one. I would call him taller but smaller than Trindon. Only 6 lbs heavier on an extra 4" of height. The fact is what we need is better performance on ST from the back up LB's, DB's, coach, etc.

SEVENTH ROUND (Joel Dreessen compensatory): Ben Cotton, TE, 6-6 255

Dreessen was an undrafted free agent, so Texans could wait again until after the draft but why when they could lock up a blocking, big framed TE? Could develop as a pass catcher in time but would fill that role Texans are missing with departure of Joel. As seen last night the loss of Garrett Graham to injury was a bigger factor than most thought, Cotton would provide much needed depth & helping inline blocking pass rushing issue.

I don't think the Texans look for TE's who "could develop as a pass catcher." I think they look for OD, Dreesen, Graham, Casey as guys who can develop as pass protectors.

Rey
12-11-2012, 02:26 PM
I don't like it.

I do like the second round OT/OG, but I'd rather use the first round pick on a WR. The baddest WR in the draft. I don't care if we have to give away our 2014 1st & 2nd. We need real help for AJ.


See, I don' think our WR's are all that bad.

No they haven't done syt this year, BUT I don't see our offense utilizing another top flight receiver.

If we spread out more and let Schaub throw it around more often then I could see the need.

But we have seen Jean make plays...Posey has barely gotten a shot...Walter can catch the ball...Andre is still going strong...

We throw the ball to Jean one time yesterday? OD only three times?

I could easily see us grabbing another top flight WR and them not being fully utilized. I could easily see games where they see 1 or 2 balls come their way.

I think our best bet if we are going to move forward with Schaub as QB is to build the defense up. The offense can be good enough if the defense is truly dominate. I think we should aim towards building a dominat defense because the offense will eventually put points up if we can shut down people...

Wolf6151
12-11-2012, 03:22 PM
predicated on successful interview process w/Texans (see Posey) have little doubt he can impact Texan secondary, special teams @ multiple positions :tiphat:

There's a big difference between a guy selling jerseys and/or trading for tattoos (Posey) and a guy who was kicked off the team for failing 3 drug tests and then arrested for being a drug dealer, 10 lbs. of weed, a short time later (Mathieu). Rick said last year that the Texans would forgive a college players transgression as long as it was a one time thing and the player learned from their mistake. Mathieu has F'd up 4 times that we know of, I doubt the Texans will even look at him.

As for the draft, I like 1,2, 3b, 7, and 7b. There's lots of other guys I'm not familiar with.

badboy
12-11-2012, 04:45 PM
Greetings & salutations fellow Texan mocksters & fans here is my reaction to last nights game. Trying not to over react in the moment, but hey, it is what it is, this is how I cope The middle of Texan D was exposed all night by the Patriots as they jammed the ball down Texan throats, man handling our DT's Cody & Mitchell. I have to admit now may be the time to address this position with a premium pick & Jenkins who would more than plug this hole, much like Wilfork. Otherwise the linebackers need retooled/fortified, another set of hands that can hang onto a pass, improved man coverage from corner/safety position, right side offensive line help a must & Texans, with Garret dinged suffer far too much, need plus blocker to help give Schaub more time so they are razor thin @ TE position.

FIRST ROUND: John Jenkins, NT, Georgia, 6-3 350
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/11/27/2c/1c/s-john-jenkins.jpg
Moves fluid despite size, country strong, can both push or plug piles. Separates defenders effectively walling off double teams inside on Watt or Smith. The Patriots ran straight ahead for solid gains all game long against the interior of Texans DL. To fill this big hole Texans need a big run stuffing Nose Tackle who is also disruptive like Vince Wilfork. If need be Texans should move up in order to address position, as you can see Texans have some extra picks to work with here & cashing in now would not be the worst thing in the world. Evaluating this class I've graded out Jenkins as the top pick for Texans/Wade Phillips 3-4.

SECOND ROUND: Brian Winters, OT/OG, Kent State, 6-5 310
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/wp-content/slideshow/2012/11/2013-nfl-mock-draft/medium/brian-winters-howard-smith.jpg
Right side is a work in progress & needs to be addressed early, Had Flucker here from Alabama last go around, but don't feel he lasts this long come draft day. Winters is your more typical, athletic ZBS tackle who could also kick inside to RG, that only increases his value to depth starved Texans right side of the OL. Very balanced game can stone defensive ends on left side or pull in run blocking @ Collegiate level. Excellent base & fluid in the hole, can mirror or manhandle would be rushers. Texans must upgrade right side of OL.

THIRD ROUND: Michael Buchanan, OLB/DE, Illinois, 6-5 240
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/i/20091031-illini-football-michigan/fbmich09-1037.jpg
OK peeps, I'm sold moving on without Connor Barwin, he is doing nothing, 2 sacks in 13 games doesn't cut the cheese. Unless he signs on the cheap, Texans do need to add another pass rusher. Of course Brooks will come back next year but Texans need to add a pass rusher who can bend, turn the corner instead of locking up center of his man. The other reason I like Buchanan is he swatts a lot of balls @ line of scrimmage, Texans are also very familiar with program having drafted Whitney last year in 1st rd.

THIRD ROUND (Mario Williams compensatory): Kiko Alonzo, ILB, Oregon, 6-4 246

Great length, smart, instinctive & excellent in coverage. Texans need a bigger, longer cover guy in 3rd down situations who can stick & pull with these hybrid TE's & elusive RB's. Hard worker that will improve & flourish in Wade Phillips system. Gruden made the comment Patriots had drafted a bunch of SEC LB'S who are saying come on Texans lets see what you got & dominated the line of scrimmage. While these two LB's are not SEC or especially high picks like a Mayo, Hightower or Spikes they fill similar roles from the Big 10 (Mercilus/Buchanon) & Pac 12.

FOURTH ROUND: Conner Vernon, WR, Duke, 6-1 200

Schaub needs more receiving options, a smart, plus hands WR that runs tight timing routes & can secure the football in traffic is a must at some point this draft. Would like to spend earlier pick on a bigger, faster body but would require a much higher pick like Marshall Aaron Dobson but Texans also need somebody ready to plug in now & Conner seems like the type who can transition quickly, mature & ultra competitive.

FIFTH ROUND: Tyrann Mathieu, CB/S, LSU, 5-9 178
http://www.sportsbully.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/tyrann-mathieu-opy0-743112.jpg
Despite personal problems, because of playmaking skills & ability to produce on the field Texans should not pass if available this late to address nickle position very least. Would also improve special teams as gunner, that has been woeful at best all season. This is breaking point for me, where value overcomes negative so would hope Texans take a chance on such a high ceiling player @ a position of need.

FIFTH ROUND (Jacoby Jones/Mike Brisel compensatory) Jordan Kovacs, SS, Michigan, 5-11 202

Insurance in case Quin does not resign. Excellent safety prospect this late who will compete & probably win roster spot otherwise from Shiloh Keo. Jordan is a walk on Senior who was very productive during his career with astounding 331 tackles in four years playing for Michigan, his best season was his sophomore year with 116 tackles. Solid in zone coverage & takes good angles in run support.

SIXTH ROUND: Onterio McCalebb, RB/KR, Auburn, 5-9 176
http://media.al.com/press-register-sports/photo/mccalebb-vs-west-virginiajpg-f0f65aedfe6e6ab5_large.jpg
Reminiscent of Holliday pick to help improve special teams. More similar to Dexter McCluster, can fill 3rd down duties, elusive, good hands (not as small as Trindon) has rushed for 2,586 yards, 63 receptions out of the backfield, 8.5 yards per carry & 25.6 yards per return in the SEC.

SEVENTH ROUND: Tanner Hawkinson, OT/OG, Kansas, 6-4 300

Four year starter (LT) who has played under three head coaches, best fit for ZBS probably kicks inside to LG or possibly swing tackle to compete with Gardner. Good mobility & excels in pass protection. Texans need to retool their OL with multiple prospects both early & late to solidify scheme/game planning.

SEVENTH ROUND (Joel Dreessen compensatory): Ben Cotton, TE, 6-6 255
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/870/561/hi-res-151124087_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75
Dreessen was an undrafted free agent, so Texans could wait again until after the draft but why when they could lock up a blocking, big framed TE? Could develop as a pass catcher in time but would fill that role Texans are missing with departure of Joel. As seen last night the loss of Garrett Graham to injury was a bigger factor than most thought, Cotton would provide much needed depth & helping inline blocking pass rushing issue.First allow me to welcome you to the dark side to my preaching on Barwin. Sad but true that this well liked guy has basically flamed out of the high flying rocket he was last season.

1. Jenkins is a very good pick but latest I've seen him is 20. ANything could happen.
2. I'd be ok with Winters but like my guy on newest update (11-2) Brennan Williams who might be available in third & rated 109.

3. Buchanan IIRC bulked up to 250 & has very good skills. I do not have him rated this high and would have expected him to parallel Mercilus (18) but minimal sacks for Buchanan. Would you consider Scott Chricton OSU here for OLB? 6'3" 263 9 sacks.

badboy
12-11-2012, 04:55 PM
I've really, really struggled signing off on a nose to plug in Wade Phillips defense. His game against Alabama sold me.

OT must be addressed. Texans seem razor thin after Brown & Newton.

Mercilus is weakside OLB probably for good. His teammate from Illinois plays stronside, actually had 7.5 sacks with Whitney Junior season.

Linebacker lack of coverage skill set, post Cushing, exposed.

Vernon could turn into Welker clone.

TM has swagger, just long as it's on the field.

Another speedster returner is needed, special teams suck.

Another OT/OG with mobility to compete & have competent depth.

How can TE suddenly become so thin, especially help in blocking?I cannot find anything on his sack total. Did not realize he had that many. Any info about the fight he broke his jaw in before this season?

beerlover
12-11-2012, 05:51 PM
First allow me to welcome you to the dark side to my preaching on Barwin. Sad but true that this well liked guy has basically flamed out of the high flying rocket he was last season.

1. Jenkins is a very good pick but latest I've seen him is 20. ANything could happen.
2. I'd be ok with Winters but like my guy on newest update (11-2) Brennan Williams who might be available in third & rated 109.

3. Buchanan IIRC bulked up to 250 & has very good skills. I do not have him rated this high and would have expected him to parallel Mercilus (18) but minimal sacks for Buchanan. Would you consider Scott Chricton OSU here for OLB? 6'3" 263 9 sacks.

Love Chricton but he is only a Sophomore. When he does come out could get a 1st rd. Grade?

beerlover
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
There's a big difference between a guy selling jerseys and/or trading for tattoos (Posey) and a guy who was kicked off the team for failing 3 drug tests and then arrested for being a drug dealer, 10 lbs. of weed, a short time later (Mathieu). Rick said last year that the Texans would forgive a college players transgression as long as it was a one time thing and the player learned from their mistake. Mathieu has F'd up 4 times that we know of, I doubt the Texans will even look at him.

As for the draft, I like 1,2, 3b, 7, and 7b. There's lots of other guys I'm not familiar with.

Sounds like both were hard up for cash. Different environment/situation doesn't make either one right just hope Mathieu get appropriate help which I feel confident he would in this organiZation & would be wrote into his contract.

steelbtexan
12-11-2012, 06:40 PM
See, I don' think our WR's are all that bad.

No they haven't done syt this year, BUT I don't see our offense utilizing another top flight receiver.

If we spread out more and let Schaub throw it around more often then I could see the need.

But we have seen Jean make plays...Posey has barely gotten a shot...Walter can catch the ball...Andre is still going strong...

We throw the ball to Jean one time yesterday? OD only three times?

I could easily see us grabbing another top flight WR and them not being fully utilized. I could easily see games where they see 1 or 2 balls come their way.

I think our best bet if we are going to move forward with Schaub as QB is to build the defense up. The offense can be good enough if the defense is truly dominate. I think we should aim towards building a dominat defense because the offense will eventually put points up if we can shut down people...

Disagree

Teams like the Pats gang up on AJ and if OD cant get open then the Texans are screwed. IMHO Like I said in another thread Brady has Welker/Lloyd/Gronk/Hernandez/Edelman/Stallworth to throw too. Other than AJ and OD where do the other Texans WR/TE's Jean/Graham/Martin/Posey relate to New Englands receiver group.

Shaub has trouble in big games, but I would like to see what he could do with another big time WR/TE. Hunter/Allen/Woods/Patterson? Foster would probably benefit too. Jean/3rd down drop, Walter 4th down drop/ Martin struggles to get open. etc...

You've got to be able to score points against big time teams (Pats,Packers/Broncos etc...) and the Texans are short on weapons. IMHO

2012Champs
12-11-2012, 07:04 PM
Sounds like both were hard up for cash. Different environment/situation doesn't make either one right just hope Marhieu get appropriate help which I feel confident he would in this organiZation & would be wrote into his contract.



Being hard up for cash doesn't make you fail drug test or have to go to rehab

beerlover
12-11-2012, 07:20 PM
Being hard up for cash doesn't make you fail drug test or have to go to rehab

Evidently it did.

2012Champs
12-11-2012, 08:30 PM
Evidently it did.


No it didn't. Please stop ignoring the obvious issue with this kid and the lack of actual comparison to posey

beerlover
12-11-2012, 09:28 PM
Obviously the more serious offence hurts Mathieu at least four rounds maybe five, doesn't seem that long ago he was in running for the Heismen award as outstanding (defensive) player in country. Will search for his background clip they ran on him to see if they're any indications something is off. Who back then saw this coming? Now one year later he is just going to throw it all away? I just can't believe that & I know teams will investigate with background checks, interview process whole nine yards. I'm hoping a change of scenery does him wonders, a special player I love to watch play, first round talent, that if he can get his act together can knock it out of parks just like Janoris Jenkins is doing for the Rams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwkpz1_6nU

When Texans forced New England to fumble on the goal line & Kareem Jackson tried to scoop it up, mis-handled it, then ball went back to Patriots was a key momentum swing & mood shifter for me. Now if that was Tyrann Mathieu what are the odds that he would not only pick it up but take it all the way back for a Texan score? Kipper & McShay think he will go in the 3rd/4th rd. My feeling is he would have to drop two more rounds for the Texans to consider him so he would be an extreme long shot to even be on the board this late in the 5th

bhsman
12-11-2012, 09:35 PM
As an LSU alum I'd love nothing more than to see the Honeybadger in Texans' colors but he definitely has some character issues, merely perceived or otherwise, that the front office tends to avoid.

EDIT: While I'm at it ('it' being fellating my school :P), I'm surprised that I don't see Kevin Minter talked about more.

TimeKiller
12-12-2012, 07:54 AM
I thought Jenkins was an early-mid round 1st, not late round. Also, if this is in response to the massacre in Boston, ONE pick on a troubled CB isn't going to cut it.

beerlover
12-12-2012, 09:18 AM
I thought Jenkins was an early-mid round 1st, not late round. Also, if this is in response to the massacre in Boston, ONE pick on a troubled CB isn't going to cut it.

Jenkins was there for the Rams early in the 2nd. He had to transfer from Florida to North Alabama choosing to play & showcase his football talent unlike Tyrann Mathieu who re-entered LSU as student non athlete sitting out of football one year. Both decisions don't change player on the field. How much an organization is willing to support a player with questionable character is another.

I threw Tyrann Mathieu into the mock because one: he is insane value this late (I fully expect another team to select him somewhere in the 3rd rd.). two: I agree that CB is a bigger need than most think & have mocked one in the first round a couple weeks ago (Xavier Rhodes). three we needed to have this discussion about Tyrann Mathieu, the kind of player Texans need but also the type of player Texans avoid. four: if Texans pass chances are another team, possibly in the same division, does not so have a great game day when Texans face that team over the next several years :goodluck:

Honoring Earl 34
12-12-2012, 09:30 AM
I think the DL needs beefing up for sure . I think this is the year of the huge NG because there's like 6 of them who are above 330 lbs . The question to me is can you get one in the 2nd rd ?

The OL needs some help and maybe a bit more seasoning would solve this issue . The big question here is what happens if they outlaw the chop block ?

Our secondary is looking average at best . Is this the chicken or the egg meaning what happened to the pass rush .

We still need help at reciever and a big TE for sure .

badboy
12-12-2012, 09:32 AM
Love Chricton but he is only a Sophomore. When he does come out could get a 1st rd. Grade?2010 red shirt, should be eligible IF he comes out.
http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/crichton_scott00.html

steelbtexan
12-12-2012, 09:36 AM
Jenkins was there for the Rams early in the 2nd. He had to transfer from Florida to North Alabama choosing to play & showcase his football talent unlike Tyrann Mathieu who re-entered LSU as student non athlete sitting out of football one year. Both decisions don't change player on the field. How much an organization is willing to support a player with questionable character is another.

I threw Tyrann Mathieu into the mock because one: he is insane value this late (I fully expect another team to select him somewhere in the 3rd rd.). two: I agree that CB is a bigger need than most think & have mocked one in the first round a couple weeks ago (Xavier Rhodes). three we needed to have this discussion about Tyrann Mathieu, the kind of player Texans need but also the type of player Texans avoid. four: if Texans pass chances are another team, possibly in the same division, does not so have a great game day when Texans face that team over the next several years :goodluck:

I'm hoping that the Texans pick Mathieu with the supp pick in the 3rd rd. He would be a massive upgrade over McCain and Harris. As well as an upgrade in the KR/PR spots. But this will never happen with BoB/Rick/Gary running the ship. I could see the Pats or Redskins picking Mathieu in the 3-4th rd range though.

BTW, I really like this mock. Although I have WR rated higher as a need and value in this draft and I dont know anything about Vernon.

badboy
12-12-2012, 09:40 AM
As an LSU alum I'd love nothing more than to see the Honeybadger in Texans' colors but he definitely has some character issues, merely perceived or otherwise, that the front office tends to avoid.

EDIT: While I'm at it ('it' being fellating my school :P), I'm surprised that I don't see Kevin Minter talked about more.I had Minter 2nd round early mock and 3 Amigos discussed him but for me he sort of disappeared when I watched game. Tackles but doesn't get to QB

TimeKiller
12-12-2012, 10:30 AM
Jenkins was there for the Rams early in the 2nd. He had to transfer from Florida to North Alabama choosing to play & showcase his football talent unlike Tyrann Mathieu who re-entered LSU as student non athlete sitting out of football one year. Both decisions don't change player on the field. How much an organization is willing to support a player with questionable character is another.

I threw Tyrann Mathieu into the mock because one: he is insane value this late (I fully expect another team to select him somewhere in the 3rd rd.). two: I agree that CB is a bigger need than most think & have mocked one in the first round a couple weeks ago (Xavier Rhodes). three we needed to have this discussion about Tyrann Mathieu, the kind of player Texans need but also the type of player Texans avoid. four: if Texans pass chances are another team, possibly in the same division, does not so have a great game day when Texans face that team over the next several years :goodluck:

I meant John Jenkins, the guy you mocked 1st round to the Texans. Also, my point about CBs was necessarily geared against Mathieu...more that one pick (on a troubled guy no less) for the secondary isn't going to turn the tide to hold up against the Brady's, Brees's, Manning's and Rodger's of the world.


My response mock/Dec. Re-do


1- David Amerson, CB, NC State

Excellent size and ballhawking skill.

2- TJ McDonald, FS, USC

Productive college career, NFL bloodlines.

3a- Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas

Large and mobile blocker that should force the issue on either side of Myers.

3b- Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern St

Space eating run plugger this D desperately needs.

4- Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

LBer with some pass coverage skills.

5- Manase Foketi, OT, ???

Big man with ability, should be able to develop him into a fine RT.

6- Theo Riddick, RB, Notre Dame

Possible diamond-in-the-rough RB. 6th round after all...

7- Allen, P

Still taking the P last.

beerlover
12-12-2012, 11:34 AM
I meant John Jenkins, the guy you mocked 1st round to the Texans. Also, my point about CBs was necessarily geared against Mathieu...more that one pick (on a troubled guy no less) for the secondary isn't going to turn the tide to hold up against the Brady's, Brees's, Manning's and Rodger's of the world.


My response mock/Dec. Re-do


1- David Amerson, CB, NC State

Excellent size and ballhawking skill.

2- TJ McDonald, FS, USC

Productive college career, NFL bloodlines.

3a- Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas

Large and mobile blocker that should force the issue on either side of Myers.

3b- Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern St

Space eating run plugger this D desperately needs.

4- Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

LBer with some pass coverage skills.

5- Manase Foketi, OT, ???

Big man with ability, should be able to develop him into a fine RT.

6- Theo Riddick, RB, Notre Dame

Possible diamond-in-the-rough RB. 6th round after all...

7- Allen, P

Still taking the P last.

I apologize for misunderstanding your comment :handshake:

John Jenkins when all is said & done (underclassman deadline passes along with combine & pro days) ranked low 20's. This is a rich crop of big, strong, athletic DT's for a change, team needing interior DL help should not have to reach for a Poe type prospect. There is Star Lotulelei a possible top 5 pick then Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State a top 15 pick. Sheldon Richardson already declared his intentions to come out early & while not a nose prospect he could steal another DL team needy pick in the top 20. Then you have Jesse Williams, Alabama these two have competed against one another in recruiting wars before, he makes four DL prospects not to mention wildcard NT, Notre Dame r/So Louis Nix III. If he comes out early that could be enough for Jenkins slotting into Texan range, at least close enough for Rick Smith to pick up the phone :phone: like he almost did last year with Mercilus, who I did not mock to Texans for just the same reason. Never again :tiphat:

I would be down with Amerson if Texans stand pat. I've watched McDonald lots, he just seems more of in the box safety, not great coverage skills. Why not split the two & take Rhodes in first? Then you have a big corner that could also be excellent fit as a FS. Would take Bailey if there? Williams could rotate in mix for nose, maybe he develops maybe he doesn't. Kiko end of 4th would be a steal, I just don't think he is still there. Foketi would be an excellent pick here. Theo & Allen could both contribute.

badboy
12-12-2012, 01:19 PM
I meant John Jenkins, the guy you mocked 1st round to the Texans. Also, my point about CBs was necessarily geared against Mathieu...more that one pick (on a troubled guy no less) for the secondary isn't going to turn the tide to hold up against the Brady's, Brees's, Manning's and Rodger's of the world.


My response mock/Dec. Re-do


1- David Amerson, CB, NC State

Excellent size and ballhawking skill.

2- TJ McDonald, FS, USC

Productive college career, NFL bloodlines.

3a- Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas

Large and mobile blocker that should force the issue on either side of Myers.

3b- Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern St

Space eating run plugger this D desperately needs.

4- Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

LBer with some pass coverage skills.

5- Manase Foketi, OT, ???

Big man with ability, should be able to develop him into a fine RT.

6- Theo Riddick, RB, Notre Dame

Possible diamond-in-the-rough RB. 6th round after all...

7- Allen, P

Still taking the P last.Amerson's lack of productivity this season concerns me as it appears he did not listen to coaching and went for ball more than WR too much. He has all measurables but I agree with BL if you are drafting Cb then FS go with Rhodes. Any chance B. Williams will be there in 4th? CBS has him ranked 139 late 4th.

1. CB/FS Rhodes 2.WR Cordarelle Patterson 3. OLB/ILB Scott Crichton 6'2" 263 (redshirt S) 3b NT Brandon Williams 4. OT Ricky Wagner.

thunderkyss
12-12-2012, 02:45 PM
See, I don' think our WR's are all that bad.

No they haven't done syt this year, BUT I don't see our offense utilizing another top flight receiver.

If we spread out more and let Schaub throw it around more often then I could see the need.

But we have seen Jean make plays...Posey has barely gotten a shot...Walter can catch the ball...Andre is still going strong...

We throw the ball to Jean one time yesterday? OD only three times?

I could easily see us grabbing another top flight WR and them not being fully utilized. I could easily see games where they see 1 or 2 balls come their way.

I think our best bet if we are going to move forward with Schaub as QB is to build the defense up. The offense can be good enough if the defense is truly dominate. I think we should aim towards building a dominat defense because the offense will eventually put points up if we can shut down people...

I think if Kubiak felt better about the WRs we'd see more use out of them. We targeted Jean four times I think. He had two catches for 31 yards, one was 24 yards. The one he missed on 3rd & 6 & the OPI in the endzone. There may have been another.

TimeKiller
12-12-2012, 02:58 PM
Amerson's lack of productivity this season concerns me as it appears he did not listen to coaching and went for ball more than WR too much. He has all measurables but I agree with BL if you are drafting Cb then FS go with Rhodes. Any chance B. Williams will be there in 4th? CBS has him ranked 139 late 4th.

1. CB/FS Rhodes 2.WR Cordarelle Patterson 3. OLB/ILB Scott Crichton 6'2" 263 (redshirt S) 3b NT Brandon Williams 4. OT Ricky Wagner.

I drafted a CB then S because I wanted to upgrade multiple positions in the backfield, not one. Amerson set a record for INT last season, no QB/coach worth his salt is going to continue to throw towards a ballhawk, his production was almost certain to drop.

beerlover
12-12-2012, 05:00 PM
I drafted a CB then S because I wanted to upgrade multiple positions in the backfield, not one. Amerson set a record for INT last season, no QB/coach worth his salt is going to continue to throw towards a ballhawk, his production was almost certain to drop.

Isn't it kinda of funny how "we" say stuff like "I drafted a CB then S because" how we assume ownership so to speak of different draft prospects, create a mock draft like this one in response to a disappointing performance by Texans and so on :ahhaha:

If character, bloodlines, finished product ready to plug & play are the standards by which we judge a Texan first round draft pick for a pure CB prospect late 1st early 2nd I might just suggest Desmond Trufant, Washington. Very solid all around performer, consistent, ball skills, fundamentally sound tackler, can run off receiver hip without drawing interference flags & will elevate/compete apex of ball flight w/WR.

Speaking of safeties what do you think of Jordan Kovacs, Michigan? Big 10, coaching favorite, productive, does not cost Texans a high pick, hard worker, special teams leader, better than Nolan or Keo.

badboy
12-12-2012, 05:15 PM
I drafted a CB then S because I wanted to upgrade multiple positions in the backfield, not one. Amerson set a record for INT last season, no QB/coach worth his salt is going to continue to throw towards a ballhawk, his production was almost certain to drop.QBs not throwing at Amerson was not the issue. He is dropping in rankings like crazy. Your guys probably will not beat out starters so one that can do both should be sufficient for this draft, but bow to your opinion.

Read 12-01-12 notes on folowing link. It will not allow copy/paste.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=104848&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB

beerlover
12-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Here is an interesting underclassman link :kitten: http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/nfl-draft-underclassmen/2jtrtl0f9?from=

Wolf6151
12-12-2012, 07:31 PM
I meant John Jenkins, the guy you mocked 1st round to the Texans. Also, my point about CBs was necessarily geared against Mathieu...more that one pick (on a troubled guy no less) for the secondary isn't going to turn the tide to hold up against the Brady's, Brees's, Manning's and Rodger's of the world.


My response mock/Dec. Re-do


1- David Amerson, CB, NC State

Excellent size and ballhawking skill.

2- TJ McDonald, FS, USC

Productive college career, NFL bloodlines.

3a- Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas

Large and mobile blocker that should force the issue on either side of Myers.

3b- Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern St

Space eating run plugger this D desperately needs.

4- Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

LBer with some pass coverage skills.

5- Manase Foketi, OT, ???

Big man with ability, should be able to develop him into a fine RT.

6- Theo Riddick, RB, Notre Dame

Possible diamond-in-the-rough RB. 6th round after all...

7- Allen, P

Still taking the P last.


1. Amerson, I'd start him out at CB but I think he's going to be a very good FS for someone.
2. McDonald, no use in getting 2 FS, go for a WR here.
3. Bailey, excellent pick, future longterm OG for the Texans.
3b. Williams, ehhh maybe, not sure about him.
4. Alonso, if still available he's a great pick in the late 4th, I think he's gone by this time.
5. Foketi, don't know anything about him.
6. Riddick, if we trade Tate this makes sense but I'm haven't really looked at RB's.
7. Allen, another very good pick late.

beerlover
12-12-2012, 09:43 PM
recap-

John Jenkins would come in and start for Texans. Finding help for Watt will be critical @ some point. By looks of things why wait? Single biggest upgrade Texans could make without changing what they want to do right now & moving forward.

Brian Winters is a top swing tackle candidate who could adequately spell Duane Brown or in worst case injury, as well Derrick Newton which Texans need right now. He could also bolster either LG or RG if needed. OL needs fortified in worst kind of way & hope Jones, Brooks & others develop.

Pass rushers are paid premium dollars, guess that bodes well for Barwin since he can no longer be considered a top free agent pass rusher so Texans should be able to resign him for less than expected. Still Michael Buchanan has the length & pass rushing instinct's, not to mention familiarity with Whitney Mercilus would be like Illinois reunion.

Alonzo may be my favorite of the group. Pay attention people when Oregon faces Kansas State in Fiesta Bowl. His assignment will be a big one, stopping Collin Klein, a very strong, physical running QB. It will be a cat & mouse game & Collin will be very determined to answer his Heisman critics.

Connor is a combination of Kevin Walters & Wes Welker. Sound fundamentally, smart, excellent route runner, sure hands & deceptive speed. Don't worry I don't make a habit of watching Duke football but thanks to 65 I did. Skeptical @ first he won me over with surprising playmaking ability & higher than expected production.

Tyrann Mathieu will be off the board by 5th so don't get your panties all in a twist. Just a breaking point where Texans might be interested.

Quite the opposite in talent & character (comparison to Mathieu) Jordan Kovacs does fit Texan mold. I would like to see more passing in the Big 10 but he is outstanding in recognition & run support. High motor, hard worker who gives it 110%.

Onterio McCalebb is more comfortable with contact than Trindon but similar breakaway speed & playmaking ability. Special teams must improve & Texans will have another opportunity to bring in competition. I called the Holliday pick in 2010 6th rd. so here I'm making another one.

Hawkinson could fit LG most likely to back-up Wade (who is his back-up anyway?). Athletic movement, ability to pass pro & run block in ZBS.

Plus Blocking TE, who compliments Owen & Graham. Casey seems entrenched @ FB with both his blocking & receiving out of the backfield there is room on the roster for one more TE. Go figure.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Insideop
12-13-2012, 08:02 AM
I think we'd go corner somewhere a little farther up, but if Tyrann Mathieu is there in the fifth... After JJo, KJax and Brice McCain, I'm not too impressed with our CBs. I'd love to have Mathieu on our team, if he can sort out his act. Agree with the NT pick, seems like our 1st rounder is either going to go towards that or towards right side O-line.

Barwin needs to go.

Great mock! Fills quite a bit of gaps in our team, and I like the TE pick too. Losing Graham hurt our offense a bit. We either need Casey to be a TE all the time and use that guy we picked up from the Bears as our FB or we need an extra TE so Casey can play FB.

There are a lot of Texans fans out there that would love for the Texans to get "The Honey Badger" on this team but I think deep down everyone has to know that this organization will never do it. But, I guess you can dream if you want to.

As for the TE, I would like the Texans to draft one that is big (at least 6'6", 260ish), fast, can block, and has good hands. Don't want another OD/GG clone. Not that they are bad at what they do, but I'm hoping for someone that is more of the new breed of TE like "Gronk." I can dream too! :zzz:

TimeKiller
12-13-2012, 09:48 AM
See if I can cherry pick and make evrabody happy:

1- David Amerson, CB
2- Cordarelle Patterson, WR (this guy's highlights are disturbing)
3- Bailey, OG
3a- Kiko Alonso, ILB
4- Tyrann Mathieu (early enough?)
5- OT depth
6- DB/RB or TE depth
7- P

Wolf6151
12-13-2012, 04:04 PM
See if I can cherry pick and make evrabody happy:

1- David Amerson, CB
2- Cordarelle Patterson, WR (this guy's highlights are disturbing)
3- Bailey, OG
3a- Kiko Alonso, ILB
4- Tyrann Mathieu (early enough?)
5- OT depth
6- DB/RB or TE depth
7- P

Your getting better. I only have 2 real problems:

2. Patterson, I love the player but don't think he's available at the end of the 2nd round. I know he's currently listed as a 2nd round pick but I think someone will fall for his measurables at the Combine and probably go late 1st or very early 2nd.

4. Mathieu, you guys are drafting a memory of what he was a year ago. In the present he's failed 3 drug tests, been kicked off his team, and been arrested as a drug dealer along with other former LSU players. He's also very undersized. Hell NO.

badboy
12-13-2012, 06:02 PM
Isn't it kinda of funny how "we" say stuff like "I drafted a CB then S because" how we assume ownership so to speak of different draft prospects, create a mock draft like this one in response to a disappointing performance by Texans and so on :ahhaha:

If character, bloodlines, finished product ready to plug & play are the standards by which we judge a Texan first round draft pick for a pure CB prospect late 1st early 2nd I might just suggest Desmond Trufant, Washington. Very solid all around performer, consistent, ball skills, fundamentally sound tackler, can run off receiver hip without drawing interference flags & will elevate/compete apex of ball flight w/WR.

Speaking of safeties what do you think of Jordan Kovacs, Michigan? Big 10, coaching favorite, productive, does not cost Texans a high pick, hard worker, special teams leader, better than Nolan or Keo.I just mocked Trufant in our second. He is ranked 54 by CBS and we should pick around 60-64. I can't find another lower than him so hoping he slides draft day.

badboy
12-13-2012, 06:15 PM
Here is an interesting underclassman link :kitten: http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/nfl-draft-underclassmen/2jtrtl0f9?from=I wished Brugler would have discussed Da'rick Rodgers WR. He is a conundrum to me. I think he will end up a bit like Dez Bryant on the field but I really love his skills especially in 2nd round.

Go to video on that link for "week 15" second team discussed is Texans vs Colts.

beerlover
12-14-2012, 11:33 AM
Took some time to research current rankings (ridiculous chunk of morning might add) but here it is according to the experts.

John Jenkins, NT Georgia
Texan need priority - High
Ranked #20 overall prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked #21 overall prospect #2 NT behind Jesse Williams Bleecher:

Brian Winters, OT/OG Kent State
Texan need priority - High
Ranked #101 overall prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked #136 overall #12th OT prospect Bleecher:

Michael Buchanan, DE Illinois
Texan need priority - Medium High
Ranked #163 overall #18th DE prospect by CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked #85 overall prospect 13th DE Bleecher:

Alonzo Kiko, ILB Oregon
Texan priority - Medium
Ranked 127th overall ILB prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked 118th overall prospect 6th ILB Bleecher:

Connor Vernon, WR Duke
Texan Prioity - Medium
Ranked 165th overall #20 WR prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked 183rd overall #22 WR prospect Bleecher:

Tyrann Mathieu aka Honey Badger, CB/S
Texan Priority - Medium
Ranked 187th overall prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked 193rd overall #23 CB prospect Bleecher:

Onterio McCalebb, RB/Returner, Auburn
Texan Priority - Low/High if you factor in return duty
Ranked 417th overall prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Unranked Bleecher:

Tanner Hawkinson, OT/OG, Kansas
Texan Priority - Medium High
Ranked 269th overall 22nd OT prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked 281st overall 22nd OT prospect Bleecher:

Ben Cotton, TE Nebraska
Texan Priority - Medium
Ranked 396th overall prospect CBS Draft Scout:
Ranked 299th overall & #16 TE prospect Bleecher:

beerlover
12-18-2012, 12:33 PM
hung out to dry again :choke: http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2011/12/30/ng-john-jenkins-changes-tune-says-hell-definitely-return-for-senior-season/?cxntfid=blogs_uga_sports_blog

Corrosion
12-18-2012, 03:47 PM
Im seriously considering RT and LG early .... The running game just hasnt been consistent.

Also WR .... This offense just cant seem to finish drives. If AJ doesnt go off , they bog down.
Ivedefended Walter for ages .... but I think the time has come for him to at the least move down the depth chart.


NT and CB are also on my radar.

Rey
12-18-2012, 04:17 PM
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4. Mathieu, you guys are drafting a memory of what he was a year ago. In the present he's failed 3 drug tests, been kicked off his team, and been arrested as a drug dealer along with other former LSU players. He's also very undersized. Hell NO.

I wouldn't draft the Honey Badger even if he didn't have the off field issues. Dude isn't that good of a corner.

badboy
12-18-2012, 04:23 PM
Im seriously considering RT and LG early .... The running game just hasnt been consistent.

Also WR .... This offense just cant seem to finish drives. If AJ doesnt go off , they bog down.
Ivedefended Walter for ages .... but I think the time has come for him to at the least move down the depth chart.


NT and CB are also on my radar.Posey continues to improve as a catcher (his blocking looks good) and he could start over Walter next year.

steelbtexan
12-18-2012, 05:16 PM
I wouldn't draft the Honey Badger even if he didn't have the off field issues. Dude isn't that good of a corner.

He would've been a great 3rd rd pick as a nickle replacing McCain. Also would've been an up grade as a KR/PR if dude wasn't a drug dealer.

With that said, Honey Badger is electric with the ball in his hands.

steelbtexan
12-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Posey continues to improve as a catcher (his blocking looks good) and he could start over Walter next year.

Agreed.

If you were willing to spend a 1st rd pick on a WR like Williams/Patterson, how much more dynamic would the Texans offense be With AJ/Posey/Patterson? (Patterson reminds me of a bigger version of Harvin, Austin is somwhere between McCluster/Harvin. IMHO )

Rey
12-18-2012, 08:47 PM
He would've been a great 3rd rd pick as a nickle replacing McCain. Also would've been an up grade as a KR/PR if dude wasn't a drug dealer.

With that said, Honey Badger is electric with the ball in his hands.

KR. Yes.

Cb, I dont like him there. Dude can't cover man to man.

You wanna try him at FS, ok. He's smallish, but he has a good vertical and he's physical.

If you can watch some clips of him in man coverage...that's probably the weakest part of his game and as a nickel corner that needs to be his strongest.

Rey
12-18-2012, 08:51 PM
Posey continues to improve as a catcher (his blocking looks good) and he could start over Walter next year.

Someone read some stat on the radio that said posey had like 30 snaps this past game to Walters 8...

If that's true, you might not have to wait until next year.

badboy
12-19-2012, 12:30 PM
Someone read some stat on the radio that said posey had like 30 snaps this past game to Walters 8...

If that's true, you might not have to wait until next year.I think Walter has earned his guaranttee $ and bonus is $1m +$3.5 m base '13 & '14.

Dutchrudder
12-19-2012, 01:10 PM
I think Walter has earned his guaranttee $ and bonus is $1m +$3.5 m base '13 & '14.

Yeah, the Texans are free to cut Walter whenever they want next offseason, but I think his 1 million bonus is a roster bonus. Not sure when that is paid though, but they have time to make the decision before free agency starts. I think he will be required to restructure his deal again (went from 4.5 million to 3 this year) and they will move him to 2-3 million if he stays. If he's not willing to do that, then I think they have to cut him. 4.5 million could go a long way though. Some other WRs that will be free agents:

Danny Amendola
Julian Edelman
Wes Welker
Brian Hartline
Greg Jennings

Or maybe target a new NT like Henry Melton or Alan Branch. Either way, I'm sure that money could be put to better use.

badboy
12-19-2012, 02:13 PM
Yeah, the Texans are free to cut Walter whenever they want next offseason, but I think his 1 million bonus is a roster bonus. Not sure when that is paid though, but they have time to make the decision before free agency starts. I think he will be required to restructure his deal again (went from 4.5 million to 3 this year) and they will move him to 2-3 million if he stays. If he's not willing to do that, then I think they have to cut him. 4.5 million could go a long way though. Some other WRs that will be free agents:

Danny Amendola
Julian Edelman
Wes Welker
Brian Hartline
Greg Jennings

Or maybe target a new NT like Henry Melton or Alan Branch. Either way, I'm sure that money could be put to better use.
Good thinking, I'd like to pick up a level two corner or safety as a vet backup. Not '13 draft but soon after we need to pick guys to eventually replace Manning and Joseph.

mussop
12-19-2012, 09:19 PM
Yeah, the Texans are free to cut Walter whenever they want next offseason, but I think his 1 million bonus is a roster bonus. Not sure when that is paid though, but they have time to make the decision before free agency starts. I think he will be required to restructure his deal again (went from 4.5 million to 3 this year) and they will move him to 2-3 million if he stays. If he's not willing to do that, then I think they have to cut him. 4.5 million could go a long way though. Some other WRs that will be free agents:

Danny Amendola
Julian Edelman
Wes Welker
Brian Hartline
Greg Jennings

Or maybe target a new NT like Henry Melton or Alan Branch. Either way, I'm sure that money could be put to better use.

I'm really hoping for heart line if Posey doesn't impress soon.

badboy
12-26-2012, 08:39 PM
hung out to dry again :choke: http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2011/12/30/ng-john-jenkins-changes-tune-says-hell-definitely-return-for-senior-season/?cxntfid=blogs_uga_sports_blogJenkins a senior ruled ineligible for Bowl game as coach announces the DT will not play in Capitol One Bowl against Nebraska Jan 1st. http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8782099/john-jenkins-georgia-bulldogs-ruled-academically-ineligible-play-capital-one-bowl

beerlover
01-04-2013, 12:49 PM
Jenkins a senior ruled ineligible for Bowl game as coach announces the DT will not play in Capitol One Bowl against Nebraska Jan 1st. http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8782099/john-jenkins-georgia-bulldogs-ruled-academically-ineligible-play-capital-one-bowl


My first question would be how did this this occur? Will have to be addressed during the interview session. Of course, Wonderlic should address intelligence (off field). On field, as a player, John Jenkins would probably be BPA.

Rey
01-04-2013, 01:12 PM
My younger bro is home from Nebraska...I'll ask him what he knows about the TE Cotton...He plays OT, so he probably has worked with him a bit....

beerlover
01-04-2013, 02:20 PM
My younger bro is home from Nebraska...I'll ask him what he knows about the TE Cotton...He plays OT, so he probably has worked with him a bit....

Nice :toast2:

Everybody points to losing Winston/Brisel via free agency but how about Joel Dreesen in blocking scheme?

Corrosion
01-04-2013, 06:07 PM
Nice :toast2:

Everybody points to losing Winston/Brisel via free agency but how about Joel Dreesen in blocking scheme?

How bout Dreesen in the red zone ..... :kitten:

beerlover
01-04-2013, 09:58 PM
How bout Dreesen in the red zone ..... :kitten:

What is a red-zone? I forgot.....

:clown:

Corrosion
01-05-2013, 03:47 AM
What is a red-zone? I forgot.....

:clown:

Its that place where other teams score TD's and the Texans come away with FG's. :thinking:

aussie_texan
01-05-2013, 09:58 PM
What is a red-zone? I forgot.....

:clown:

this is one of the main reasons i mocked eifert to us in the 1st.
i think he would greatly improve our red zone efficiency

badboy
01-06-2013, 12:04 AM
this is one of the main reasons i mocked eifert to us in the 1st.
i think he would greatly improve our red zone efficiencyI think a WR like Patterson starting WR2 would be more beneficial than Eiffert who would not beat out OD imo, but if you are just looking at Red Zone, I agree. Personally, I'd rather run the ball in side 15 to be honest.

beerlover
01-06-2013, 12:14 AM
this is one of the main reasons i mocked eifert to us in the 1st.
i think he would greatly improve our red zone efficiency

I didn't mock Eifert because he should be off the board when Texans select. I really like him as a player but he is more gifted & polished than Fleener who Three Amigos mocked to Texans in 1st round, pick #26 last year. Texans would have to trade up to get Tyler.

And if I was wanting the Texans to trade up I would target Manti Te'o. Swap 1'st this year plus 2nd & 1st next year as well, but I would do it.

Rey
01-07-2013, 09:56 AM
Nice :toast2:

Everybody points to losing Winston/Brisel via free agency but how about Joel Dreesen in blocking scheme?

I asked my brother about Cotton and he didn't have anything earth shattering to say. Said he was a good player...didn't really say anything about his character really...

But he did say that he thinks his catches were down some because he started dating the QB's ex GF...:spin:

Dread-Head
01-07-2013, 12:54 PM
Its that place where other teams score TD's and the Texans come away with FG's. :thinking:

If only the Texans had a quarterback...