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CretorFrigg
12-11-2012, 12:02 AM
Now McCain doesn't seem so bad anymore...

What a scrub. No wonder he wasn't getting any playing time. I'm dedicating this thread to him.

Tailgate
12-11-2012, 12:03 AM
No wonder we were "bringing him along slowly".

Mr. Texan
12-11-2012, 12:04 AM
hurry up and put rout out there :kitten:

fiasco west
12-11-2012, 12:05 AM
Now we know why he does not play much.

DocBar
12-11-2012, 12:05 AM
Harris will be fine. I'd rather see him a bit over-physical now and learn to tone it down(and play a team without the refs in their back pocket). The refs are very culpable in the scoring disparity. That was a bull**** game as far as reffing goes.

CretorFrigg
12-11-2012, 12:06 AM
No wonder we were "bringing him along slowly".

Seriously. You'd expect more from a 2nd round pick. Didn't we trade up to get him?

hradhak
12-11-2012, 12:06 AM
Part of me wishes that he got more NB reps earlier in the season when we didn't need him. I think to some extent you gotta bring these guys on slowly, but until they get reps there's no way to get em good.

Because of his draft status, he's on this team, so may as well get him reps cuz God knows when he'll get him in the game.

To be fair, I think the TD, he wasn't the primary coverage, Demps was. But that hold early in the game was terrible.

Rey
12-11-2012, 12:07 AM
I thought Harris was ok. Yeah he got beat..so did everyone else out there...

DocBar
12-11-2012, 12:10 AM
Seriously. You'd expect more from a 2nd round pick. Didn't we trade up to get him?He's looked better, in two games than KJ looked in his first 16 games. I find it hard to fault aggressiveness in young players. They will learn the intricacies over time. Besides, the refs sucked so hard it should be scandelous.

Brisco_County
12-11-2012, 12:10 AM
The key weakness in the defense tonight was not Brandon Harris.

Hervoyel
12-11-2012, 12:13 AM
Harris will be fine. I'd rather see him a bit over-physical now and learn to tone it down(and play a team without the refs in their back pocket). The refs are very culpable in the scoring disparity. That was a bull**** game as far as reffing goes.

Are you kidding me? He's not over-physical, he's completely lost out there half the time and grabbing guys just to keep from being blown up completely.

Harris is about as bad a corner as I've seen the Texans run out there and I'm kind of surprised he's still with the team. I guess they're reluctant to kick a second rounder to the curb so soon. We're lucky he wasn't taken in the first or he'd be starting I guess.

TexanSam
12-11-2012, 12:14 AM
He's looked better, in two games than KJ looked in his first 16 games. I find it hard to fault aggressiveness in young players. They will learn the intricacies over time. Besides, the refs sucked so hard it should be scandelous.

I thought so too. Not that that says much since a wounded horse could play better than KJ did as a rookie, but Harris looked okay at times. He stayed with his man...he just doesn't know how to turn around.

BullNation4Life
12-11-2012, 12:18 AM
He's looked better, in two games than KJ looked in his first 16 games.

that bar isn't set very high, well unless you are an ant, then the bar is very high...

Sorry but Harris looks absolutely lost...

TheMatrix31
12-11-2012, 12:21 AM
I hope this mother****er never sees a football field again. At least in our uniform. Leave that guy in Massachusetts.

hradhak
12-11-2012, 12:23 AM
I thought so too. Not that that says much since a wounded horse could play better than KJ did as a rookie, but Harris looked okay at times. He stayed with his man...he just doesn't know how to turn around.

At some point he has gotta get reps. I'm disappointed that he hasn't done so, and when a big game comes along he's thrown in there.

How long were you going to keep him out? KJ has finally shown that he gets it. He may not be great, but he has made plays. Harris needs time and reps before we say he is a wash.

Bigbots_02
12-11-2012, 12:26 AM
Harris will be fine. I'd rather see him a bit over-physical now and learn to tone it down(and play a team without the refs in their back pocket). The refs are very culpable in the scoring disparity. That was a bull**** game as far as reffing goes.

Agreed

thunderkyss
12-11-2012, 12:30 AM
Put me down on Harris side. I still like what I see.

Marcus
12-11-2012, 12:31 AM
Before some of you want to declare half of the defense an all out trash bust, you might remind yourselves that here was a halfway decent quarterback playing on the other side.

It might help to put it in perspective a little bit and remember it was Tom Brady that they were dealing with, I dunno . . .

CretorFrigg
12-11-2012, 12:33 AM
Before some of you want to declare half of the defense an all out trash bust, you might remind yourselves that here was a halfway decent quarterback playing on the other side.

It might help to put it in perspective a little bit and remember it was Tom Brady that they were dealing with, I dunno . . .

I understand an elite QB like Tom Brady is going to make plays. But do realize that both teams had their starting QBs on the bench by the 4th quarter because it was that bad.

TheMatrix31
12-11-2012, 12:33 AM
Doesn't matter. We're a good team, and we can't be wasting any ****ing time with rookies who make such disastrous mistakes.

Marcus
12-11-2012, 12:38 AM
Doesn't matter. We're a good team, and we can't be wasting any ****ing time with rookies who make such disastrous mistakes.

And you DO know the reason why he was playing, right?

TheMatrix31
12-11-2012, 12:53 AM
And you DO know the reason why he was playing, right?

Yes.

rolyat93
12-11-2012, 01:17 AM
Doesn't matter. We're a good team, and we can't be wasting any ****ing time with rookies who make such disastrous mistakes.

He's a second year player.
:wadepalm:

TheMatrix31
12-11-2012, 04:10 AM
He's a second year player.
:wadepalm:

Oh excuse me, second year player. Even worse.

TimeKiller
12-11-2012, 08:08 AM
Yeah, we know why Mercilus wasn't on the field too. That guy plays run defense about as well as....oh I don't know, a nursing home flag football team? Happy to see him add a sack to his season's total but save that one play, I didn't see him near Brady at all. Let's hope he's a "takes two or three years to develop" kind of guy.

IDEXAN
12-11-2012, 09:01 AM
We've known for awhile now that Harris was not worthy of being taken in the second round so his performance last night though disappointing was no big surprise.

TexanBacker93
12-11-2012, 09:10 AM
Part of me wishes that he got more NB reps earlier in the season when we didn't need him. I think to some extent you gotta bring these guys on slowly, but until they get reps there's no way to get em good.

Because of his draft status, he's on this team, so may as well get him reps cuz God knows when he'll get him in the game.

To be fair, I think the TD, he wasn't the primary coverage, Demps was. But that hold early in the game was terrible.

Precisely. It's tough getting your most playing time in your 2 years against Tom freakin' Brady.

As for him being horrible....

Jackson was pretty bad for a couple of years and has definitely improved so I'm a believer that Harris could still be good. He just needs to see the field a little. It's tough, though, to have him active if he isn't a good ST player in those games where you need your 4th CB to play on ST.

I hate the stupid rule forcing teams to make players inactive even if they are perfectly healthy.

thunderkyss
12-11-2012, 11:21 PM
I'm watching the game again.

Just saw the Dante Stallworth TD. I know this is one of the plays cited demonstrating how poor this guy's coverage is. Granted, a corner back should be able to see when a receiver looks up, eyes up, hands up..... then gain ground & get in position to prevent this catch.

However, Brady does a good job getting the ball ahead of the receiver, making it nigh impossible for a trailing CB to defend.

In this case, he was supposed to have safety help. I'm not saying that the TD is on the safety, a better corner could have done something to stop Stallworth from catching the ball. A good CB realizing he doesn't have any help would have gone for the tackle than the feign attempt to strip the ball.

But two points I wanted to make. That wasn't all on Harris & Wade isn't so stubborn that he plays man up all the time. There is usually a safety back there, at least one. This time, it was Demps.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/Thunderkyss/20121211_220201.jpg

You can see Demps just inside the line of gain. When the ball is snaped, he doesn't drop. He inches forward. Don't know why. There was no fake run. Both CBs Jackson & Harris fall to a trail position. What do you think they were thinking when they saw Demps standing flat footed.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/Thunderkyss/20121211_220423.jpg

WTF is what I'd be thinking. If he'd have dropped (I can't imagine Wade calling for him to not be the deepest defender on the field) Brady might not have thrown that ball.

76Texan
12-11-2012, 11:41 PM
Demps was either sleeping on the job or he was answering to a higher calling! :lol::wadepalm:

HJam72
12-12-2012, 07:31 AM
I think the whole secondary focused on the run way too much. I don't mean because the defensive play call called for it; they just did. If we're going to run a bunch of man against Brady, we at least need the guys who are supposed to stay back and/or cover somebody to just do it.

TexansBull
12-16-2012, 10:14 PM
I saw the penalty on him today, but how did he do the rest of the game?

DocBar
12-16-2012, 10:32 PM
Harris is going to be just fine. He'll be taking JJO's spot in a year or two. He flashes tons of skill and inexperience in actual game situations. He needs to learn the nuances of playing CB in the NFL. It takes actual game experience. I, for one, am glad he's getting it when we have a 12-2 record. Much better situation than KJ had in 2010, as a rookie.

thunderkyss
12-16-2012, 10:47 PM
I saw the penalty on him today, but how did he do the rest of the game?

The more I think about it, that might have been a heads up play.


True, he shouldn't get beat like that. But when you get beat by Reggie Wayne.... I mean that could have been a touchdown.

hradhak
12-16-2012, 10:50 PM
I saw the penalty on him today, but how did he do the rest of the game?

Well. I watched him and JJo quite a bit at the game. Harris was up against Wayne quite a bit since Wayne lined up in the slot. My hope is that Harris will play every game from now on as the nickel and get tons of reps. He is going to need those to get good.

He's not as good as KJax from a tackling standpoint, but I think he will be a solid corner in a year if he gets the reps.

DocBar
12-16-2012, 10:56 PM
Well. I watched him and JJo quite a bit at the game. Harris was up against Wayne quite a bit since Wayne lined up in the slot. My hope is that Harris will play every game from now on as the nickel and get tons of reps. He is going to need those to get good.

He's not as good as KJax from a tackling standpoint, but I think he will be a solid corner in a year if he gets the reps.He's not tackling as well cuz he's going for the ball. Harris can get his head around where KJ can't.

CretorFrigg
12-30-2012, 01:17 PM
Still sucks.

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 02:42 PM
Still sucks.

He's having a great game.

CretorFrigg
12-30-2012, 02:44 PM
He's having a great game.

Yes, great game...

Just like that pass interference call at the end zone that gave the Colts the TD. He had no idea where the ball is. Remember Jacques Reeves' inability to locate the ball? Harris is even worse.

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 03:15 PM
Yes, great game...

Just like that pass interference call at the end zone that gave the Colts the TD. He had no idea where the ball is. Remember Jacques Reeves' inability to locate the ball? Harris is even worse.

I think it was a bad call. He turned, he was looking for the ball... the ref just gave that to Reggie Wayne.

BullNation4Life
12-30-2012, 03:48 PM
Harris and Demps both need to clean out their lockers after the end of the season and not come back...

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 03:54 PM
Harris and Demps both need to clean out their lockers after the end of the season and not come back...

Don't blame that TD on Demps. Demps was doing what he probably should have been doing, favoring the three WR side.

If anything, it looks like Jjo was asleep on that one. A LB rolled out to cover the outside receiver. It was a short route & looks like it was correctly anticipated as the LB was there in time.

Looked like Jjo was supposed to play a deep half right there & didn't roll off his receiver in time. Either that, or Quin was supposed to get a good jam on the receiver, or Vance expected Quin to run with Hilton....

Big Lou
12-30-2012, 04:07 PM
Harris is an utter joke. He is Petey Faggins 2.0 but with out the occasional decent play.

eriadoc
12-30-2012, 04:41 PM
My complaint about Harris has been consistent - if you draft a guy in the 2nd round, he needs to see the field from the first game of his rookie season. Maybe he plays ST, maybe he only plays dime ... whatever. But he needs to play. If the team didn't trust him enough to do that, then they wasted a 2nd round pick. That doesn't mean he can't develop over time, but those are the types of picks you take in the 4th and later rounds. Your first three rounds should be spent on guys that can contribute somehow in their first season.

amazing80
12-30-2012, 04:43 PM
while Harris did not play well, whoever thought he could cover wayne should be fired.....seriously, he was on him ALL DAY LONG :specnatz:

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:44 PM
while Harris did not play well, whoever thought he could cover wayne should be fired.....seriously, he was on him ALL DAY LONG :specnatz:

Like putting Ball on Calvin for the first half on Thanksgiving.

Wade has his Kubes moments too.

Lucky
12-30-2012, 04:45 PM
If the team didn't trust him enough to do that, then they wasted a 2nd round pick.
It's pretty clear that they wasted a 2nd round pick on Harris.

Vinny
12-30-2012, 04:45 PM
It's pretty clear that they wasted a 2nd round pick on Harris.crystal clear

TheMatrix31
12-30-2012, 04:46 PM
Harris is awful.

Figured we'd lose today once he got that penalty prolonging the Colts' first drive.

eriadoc
12-30-2012, 04:47 PM
It's pretty clear that they wasted a 2nd round pick on Harris.

crystal clear

Well, when I've made that point before, it wasn't so readily received. It's seemed obvious to me (and probably y'all) since about the middle of last season.

HTown2ATX
12-30-2012, 05:47 PM
In response to title of thread.......Brandon Harris is KJ from 2 years ago....pure burning garbage on a hot tin plate surrounded by burning soiled diapers with a chick with oozing pustules of herpes spread eagle next to it and Satan personally $hitting on the whole scene.

How's THAT for imagery lol!

sakebomb
12-30-2012, 06:23 PM
In response to title of thread.......Brandon Harris is KJ from 2 years ago....pure burning garbage on a hot tin plate surrounded by burning soiled diapers with a chick with oozing pustules of herpes spread eagle next to it and Satan personally $hitting on the whole scene.

How's THAT for imagery lol!

I was going to post the same thing. The only difference was KJ2010 got beat on long TD's so it was over fairly quickly. BH2012 is like cutting your heart out with a spoon. It's slow and pain as the opposing team moves down the field 1st down after 1st down.

That being said, they are all getting beat. CB's, LB's, S. Our best pass defense is when Watt gets his hands on one. He's the only one "covering" anyone.

TheMatrix31
12-30-2012, 06:26 PM
No, the difference is that while KJ would simply get burned on plays, Harris plays DUMB. We get stops and he gets a penalty extending their drive, THEN they score.

Harris is much, much, MUCH more intolerable than Kareem was.

Surreal McCoy
12-30-2012, 06:34 PM
No, the difference is that while KJ would simply get burned on plays, Harris plays DUMB. We get stops and he gets a penalty extending their drive, THEN they score.

Harris is much, much, MUCH more intolerable than Kareem was.

Yup. And to think I was one who wanted to see him play more :(

Lucky
12-30-2012, 06:37 PM
In response to title of thread.......Brandon Harris is KJ from 2 years ago....
Maybe. I don't know what reality has in store 2 years from now. Just that Harris currently sucks.

utahmark
12-30-2012, 06:40 PM
He reminds me of that guy who never learned to turn his freaking head. Who was that guy? From Dallas maybe?

Mr teX
12-30-2012, 06:59 PM
He reminds me of that guy who never learned to turn his freaking head. Who was that guy? From Dallas maybe?

Jacque reeves

utahmark
12-30-2012, 07:00 PM
Jacque reeves

Thank you! He always was right on his man but couldn't defend the ball. He would of been great at freeze tag.

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 10:24 PM
Brandon Harris is doing fine.