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Malloy
12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
And we punt... I can read that only one way, Kubiak gave up... I'm off to bed, let's get back on track next sunday :)

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Why are you punting? Seriously, you are mailing it in. Losing by 28 or 35 is still a loss. Our offense clearly needs the practice.

RTP2110
12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Buncha frauds. We're the San Diego Chargers 2.0

silvrhand
12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Can anyone explain to me why we left Vince Wilfork continue to dominate the first two gaps, holy hell make him have to run further than 2 gaps. I'm not sure why the hell we didn't swing the ball out wider and try to hit the edge on them instead of running right at them.

mariowillshine15
12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
It's one thing to get your butt kicked and keep trying. It's another to get your butt kicked and give up. I'm so disappointed and I'm usually as optimistic as it gets.

LonerATO
12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Running Tate is essentially Kubiak's way of saying he surrenders.

Chance_C
12-10-2012, 11:11 PM
I really wish I could cuss like I want to on this board. I'm a borderline homer and damn sure a blind supporter but this crap by Kubiak is freaking ridiculous. 12:00 left and freaking conceding already. Screw you and your effort tonight "Kubes"....said with not much affection

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:11 PM
And we punt... I can read that only one way, Kubiak gave up... I'm off to bed, let's get back on track next sunday :)HAHA!!! Who's the band wagoneer now? Of course, I'm in LA.... :kitten:

beerlover
12-10-2012, 11:11 PM
Kubiak in fetal position. Guess he doesn't want to show Belichick too much?

fiasco west
12-10-2012, 11:11 PM
I don't even care about giving up right now. They lost this game in the first three qtrs. If giving up means making sure no one else gets hurt then fine.

Rey
12-10-2012, 11:11 PM
Hopefully all the bad luck done this game. Just can't catch a break.

Luck doesn't have a lot to do with this outcome unfortunately.

This is who we are at this point.

We've been winning and it's been real nice....but I remember people saying "man...wait until we put it together...wait until we have a complete game"....

Well against good teams this year it's not happening.

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:12 PM
Good they put Brahman in the game. I'd like to see him get some game time.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
How's about a home game for the first time since November freaking 15th?

:texflag: :fans: :texflag:

CloakNNNdagger
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
The Patriots, unlike us who doesn't need to be, are in hurry up.............and will be until the game is over at 50+.

nut
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
why did we quit with 13 minutes left? 3 runs up the middle and a punt? what's up with that? patsies are still trying to score.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
Good they put Brahman in the game. I'd like to see him get some game time.Might as well put Yates in the game too

Modest
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
How the Hell did the Cardinals beat the Pats?

For one, that was one of the two games reffed by the bumble**** replacement refs, and we lost due to a phantom hold called on Gronk that took away a game winning TD. We also lost Hernandez on the third play of the game which royally ****ed up our offensive game plan. They also were a pretty damn good team early in the year before they lost a few key defensive linemen and their swiss cheese offensive line got even worse.

fiasco west
12-10-2012, 11:15 PM
Luck doesn't have a lot to do with this outcome unfortunately.

This is who we are at this point.

We've been winning and it's been real nice....but I remember people saying "man...wait until we put it together...wait until we have a complete game"....

Well against good teams this year it's not happening.

We lost two games against the Packers and Patriots.

We beat the Broncos, Ravens, and Bears. All Good teams. In fact we smacked the Broncos and Ravens around, out toughed the Bears.

CloakNNNdagger
12-10-2012, 11:15 PM
The Patriots O against the Texans D

http://thingsgodtaughtme.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/hotknifethroughbutter.jpg?w=510

GP
12-10-2012, 11:15 PM
So really what it comes down to is you can be a very dominant team FOR AT LEAST A DECADE if you are lucky enough to land a premiere ultra-awesome QB.

Really that's all I come away with. If you landed Peyton Manning or Tom Brady your team has won about 90% of the battle for a 10-year reign of terror.

This should put to bed the whole "Is Matt Schaub elite or not?" discussions.

He's not elite. He's better than good, but he's not elite.

mariowillshine15
12-10-2012, 11:15 PM
In the give up defense formation I see.

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:15 PM
Well our backup d line getting some reps at least. Sitt Watt.

mussop
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
A blowout in foxborrow!!!!

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
This has taken on all the characteristics of a knock knock joke.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
Holding on 77 but the refs are too enamored with watching the RB like the fans and the Texans defenders are.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
Sometimes you have to just sit back and laugh at the absurdity of it all.

Absurdity = Kubes

gafftop
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
52 hurt??

CloakNNNdagger
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
Did I just see KF shake Brady's hand??????????????

eriadoc
12-10-2012, 11:17 PM
Not that it really mattered on that play, but what the hell did Kareem Jackson think he was going to accomplish with that?

mariowillshine15
12-10-2012, 11:17 PM
Schaub better get it together and Kubiak better remember how to call good plays or the Colts are going to steal the division from us.

dtran04
12-10-2012, 11:17 PM
I sure hope Yates is in. All it takes is one blow to a starter to ruin the season. No need to throw them out there.

fiasco west
12-10-2012, 11:17 PM
So really what it comes down to is you can be a very dominant team FOR AT LEAST A DECADE if you are lucky enough to land a premiere ultra-awesome QB.

Really that's all I come away with. If you landed Peyton Manning or Tom Brady your team has won about 90% of the battle for a 10-year reign of terror.

This should put to bed the whole "Is Matt Schaub elite or not?" discussions.

He's not elite. He's better than good, but he's not elite.

Agreed.

Point is our elite players had to step up today. Our elite player is not at the QB position, he's a GOOD QB but if we make it to the superbowl it will be because of Watt, Joseph, Foster, and Johnson. Those are our best players.

I'm looking at Foster mainly. He didn't bring it today, he does and it's a different game. (although the oline didn't help him out much.)

Mailman
12-10-2012, 11:18 PM
Abomination....goddamn

GP
12-10-2012, 11:18 PM
11-2.

All I can say is that this really hurts, but we can win out and MAYBE right some wrongs in the playoffs. That's the only peace of mind I have, and it probably gets shredded either by Andrew Luck or the Patriots in the AFCC game.

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:18 PM
So really what it comes down to is you can be a very dominant team FOR AT LEAST A DECADE if you are lucky enough to land a premiere ultra-awesome QB.

Really that's all I come away with. If you landed Peyton Manning or Tom Brady your team has won about 90% of the battle for a 10-year reign of terror.

This should put to bed the whole "Is Matt Schaub elite or not?" discussions.

He's not elite. He's better than good, but he's not elite.

Schaub is not elite. But when your entire team doesn't show up (incluing Schaub) it's hard to blame this on him. This one falls on Kubes. We're 11-2 and that's not bad. Shake this one off. Get it together for the rest of the season. We still control our destiny for homefield advantage. Just keep winning.

Wolf
12-10-2012, 11:19 PM
Schaub better get it together and Kubiak better remember how to call good plays or the Colts are going to steal the division from us.

No no no
over reaction. I fell we will still sweep he colts

steelbtexan
12-10-2012, 11:19 PM
The Patriots O against the Texans D

http://thingsgodtaughtme.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/hotknifethroughbutter.jpg?w=510

That's funny stuff there.

fiasco west
12-10-2012, 11:19 PM
11-2.

All I can say is that this really hurts, but we can win out and MAYBE right some wrongs in the playoffs. That's the only peace of mind I have, and it probably gets shredded either by Andrew Luck or the Patriots in the AFCC game.

Exactly.

This game means nothing if we beat them in January.

Cerberus
12-10-2012, 11:20 PM
The Patriots O against the Texans D

http://thingsgodtaughtme.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/hotknifethroughbutter.jpg?w=510

Wade may not have wanted to show his full defense to the Patriots and Tom Brady since they are likely to meet again real soon. Not saying that Wade and the Texans weren't trying, just that Wade may not have been pulling out all the stops.

MEGA SWATT
12-10-2012, 11:20 PM
They were out coached, out played and out hustled.

Lurvinator11
12-10-2012, 11:20 PM
It's going to be nuclear fallout on here for the next week....

I almost don't want to get on at all. Just ignore Texans talk until next sunday.

I know that will never happen, but this is just bad. This feels worse than that Packers game.

I hope we get it together.

Chance_C
12-10-2012, 11:20 PM
Games not over yet! L O Effin L

mussop
12-10-2012, 11:21 PM
So really what it comes down to is you can be a very dominant team FOR AT LEAST A DECADE if you are lucky enough to land a premiere ultra-awesome QB.

Really that's all I come away with. If you landed Peyton Manning or Tom Brady your team has won about 90% of the battle for a 10-year reign of terror.

This should put to bed the whole "Is Matt Schaub elite or not?" discussions.

He's not elite. He's better than good, but he's not elite.

I never got involved in those discussions. Absolutely ridiculous to think Schaubs belongs in conversations with the top tier QB's. which is exactly why I said before the draft that I would trade Schaubs and a lot of our draft to move up and take Griffin. Would of been a bold bold move but worth the risk to get what I considered a REAL elite QB. Imagine Griffin running this offense.

beerlover
12-10-2012, 11:21 PM
Exactly.

This game means nothing if we beat them in January.

It would have to be in Houston.

Chance_C
12-10-2012, 11:21 PM
Effing facemask

GP
12-10-2012, 11:21 PM
Foster was on fire this first four running plays...then when things turn bad, he shuts it down. Significantly.

This team has that whole "Run away to fight another day" attitude.

Except JJ Watt.

Look at Tate: Dude is hungry. Pissed off. He's sending a message.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:22 PM
Oh...they call penalties after the game is out of reach.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:22 PM
I remember being a kid on Christmas morning. I opened up a present that I could not wait to play with. After a long wait I found out it needed batteries that we did not have and would not get until the next day.

The next day we got batteries only to find out the toy didn't work. I was heartbroken.

Tonight reminds me of that @*%!* toy.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
So there I was....tied to the bed....

Specnatz
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
If gruden says sec LB one more time I am going to toss my dinner

GP
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
I never got involved in those discussions. Absolutely ridiculous to think Schaubs belongs in conversations with the top tier QB's. which is exactly why I said before the draft that I would trade Schaubs and a lot of our draft to move up and take Griffin. Would of been a bold bold move but worth the risk to get what I considered a REAL elite QB. Imagine Griffin running this offense.

I remember you saying that.

And I remember saying I was in support of that idea too. You absolutely sell an entire draft if you can get a game-changing QB. Luck was not going to be had, so RGIII was the next best choice.

And it would have driven the VY fanboys MAD.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
Go for it!!!!!!!!

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
Why not let Yates throw it some?
Pats are loading up the box. What do you have to lose.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:24 PM
LMAO!!!! Welker fair catches with 20 yds clear running room!!!! Class call by him.

Marcus
12-10-2012, 11:24 PM
I fell we will still sweep he colts

I wish I shared your optimism.

Schaub is not elite, but he really doesn't need to be. But Oliver Luck . . Just might be already.

TexanSam
12-10-2012, 11:24 PM
I don't care how we respond against the Colts. I'd love to win, but this game is making it very obvious that we have some major flaws that may prevent us from achieving much in the playoffs.

MEGA SWATT
12-10-2012, 11:25 PM
The Texans need to fly home, wash their panties and get ready for the colts.

fiasco west
12-10-2012, 11:25 PM
It would have to be in Houston.

Well if it won't be then I'll be in a panic. I think they should win out here. Colts and Vikings are tough though, but they should win out.

mariowillshine15
12-10-2012, 11:25 PM
I don't care how we respond against the Colts. I'd love to win, but this game is making it very obvious that we have some major flaws that may prevent us from achieving much in the playoffs.

I never thought the flaws would be on offense. What a horrible performance.

Marcus
12-10-2012, 11:25 PM
They were out coached, out played and out hustled.

Disagree. The Patriots are just a better football team.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:26 PM
I just want someone to rep me so I can get to 38,000 points.

It's all I have left to look forward to.

MEGA SWATT
12-10-2012, 11:26 PM
I don't care how we respond against the Colts. I'd love to win, but this game is making it very obvious that we have some major flaws that may prevent us from achieving much in the playoffs.

Yes, we're now a great regular season team provided we're NOT playing a team with an elite QB like AR or TB - heck we probably lose to PM if we play now.

dtran04
12-10-2012, 11:27 PM
Schaub was inaccurate, AJ couldn't beat single coverage, and Arian looked slow.

About sums it up really.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:27 PM
Yes, we're now a great regular season team provided we're NOT playing a team with an elite QB like AR or TB - heck we probably lose to PM if we play now.Sounjds a lot like the Chargers the last few years.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:27 PM
I don't care how we respond against the Colts. I'd love to win, but this game is making it very obvious that we have some major flaws that may prevent us from achieving much in the playoffs.

Yeah, and I'm getting too old to assume I'll see a SB in my life time. Hell, my dad never did.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:27 PM
Disagree. The Patriots are just a better football team.

Which happens by complete accident, too.

In fact, those players have had no help from maybe one of the best football minds in the history of the game. They win in spite of him.

keyser
12-10-2012, 11:27 PM
INTERCEPTION!!!! Game's not over yet!





Oh wait, yes it is.

mariowillshine15
12-10-2012, 11:28 PM
Yes, we're now a great regular season team provided we're NOT playing a team with an elite QB like AR or TB - heck we probably lose to PM if we play now.

The problem is the elite QB's always bring it. We don't know if Schaub will bring it.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:28 PM
Great. Now we get a week of "Sheo should start" threads.

theNumber80
12-10-2012, 11:29 PM
Schaub was inaccurate, AJ couldn't beat single coverage, and Arian looked slow.

About sums it up really.

AJ couldn't beat single coverage? He's the only one who showed up on offense.

Marcus
12-10-2012, 11:29 PM
i just want someone to rep me so i can get to 38,000 points.

It's all i have left to look forward to.

lol! Msr.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:29 PM
The problem is the elite QB's always bring it. We don't know if Schaub will bring it.Schaub runs the offense well. He handles pressure like an old man with bladder problems.

Chance_C
12-10-2012, 11:30 PM
Yeah... Throw the ball there

Modest
12-10-2012, 11:30 PM
The Texans need to fly home, wash their panties and get ready for the colts.

Damn man, thats harsh.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:31 PM
I just want someone to rep me so I can get to 38,000 points.

It's all I have left to look forward to.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Pet%20Funny%20Misc/dont-feed-the-whores.jpg

:D :D

Kthx
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
Tate earned alot of respect tonight by the way hes running even after it doesn't matter. Lots of players could learn from him.

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
WEll Posey actually got a catch. I didn't even know he was active.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
At least this last drive should shush all the "start Yates" BS. He looks like a rookie in his first game.
WOOHOO!!! 42-14...the tide is turning!!!!!!

Rey
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
We lost two games against the Packers and Patriots.

We beat the Broncos, Ravens, and Bears. All Good teams. In fact we smacked the Broncos and Ravens around, out toughed the Bears.

The broncos were just getting used to themselves. And we kind if barely won that game. Manning started having his way with us at the end.

Ravens? Seriously? You count that as a quality win?

They played like **** that game and that wasn't all the texans doing.

We beat the bears without curler. We didn't out tough anyone. Just because the game was sloppy and we came out the winner doesnt mean we out toughed them.

It means, thank goodness curler went out and we slopped our way to a win.

Even Sanchez looked funtional against us. We played like crap in that game.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
I still have us winning out.

I was never a fan of this matchup, not at this point in the reg season. Anybody who wasn't legitimately worried about this game when it was scheduled...uh, yeah.

We are better than the Colts and Vikings.

We're obviously a notch below the Patriots, and in the NFL you can sometimes come back and steal one back from that type of team the second time around. Especially if the game is in YOUR house and not theirs.

I watched this all the way to the end. No shame in being a Texans fan. There's a lot of fans who wish they were in our shoes getting our brains beat out by the Pats and still walking away with an 11-2 record after it's over.

And look, I am under no illusions here. Yeah, I am pissed off like all of you are. But honestly, there's three more games and we can beat those teams even despite what we saw tonight out of our guys.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Go for the 2 point conversion!!!!

Marcus
12-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Dang, Tate didn't pull anything again, did he?

GP
12-10-2012, 11:34 PM
DocBar for the win.

:clap:

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:35 PM
The problem is the elite QB's always bring it. We don't know if Schaub will bring it.Schaub generally lacks the intangibles that "elite" QB's have. He's more likely to choke than not.

MEGA SWATT
12-10-2012, 11:35 PM
Sad part is AJ is getting older and less effective, No depth behind him, AF hasn't had a homerun play in how long?, Kubiak is an idiot play caller, we have no guts, call no trick plays, have a major key injury yearly that affects our play :overreact:

Rey
12-10-2012, 11:35 PM
I think we lose to the vikings and split with the colts.

But i wouldn't be surprised if we lost all three actually.

mussop
12-10-2012, 11:36 PM
I still have us winning out.

I was never a fan of this matchup, not at this point in the reg season. Anybody who wasn't legitimately worried about this game when it was scheduled...uh, yeah.

We are better than the Colts and Vikings.

We're obviously a notch below the Patriots, and in the NFL you can sometimes come back and steal one back from that type of team the second time around. Especially if the game is in YOUR house and not theirs.

I watched this all the way to the end. No shame in being a Texans fan. There's a lot of fans who wish they were in our shoes getting our brains beat out by the Pats and still walking away with an 11-2 record after it's over.

And look, I am under no illusions here. Yeah, I am pissed off like all of you are. But honestly, there's three more games and we can beat those teams even despite what we saw tonight out of our guys.

Don't look past the colts. I can see them beating us. :( they really aren't a bad team.

Mr. Texan
12-10-2012, 11:37 PM
what happened to the days when you could win a super bowl with trent dilpher or brad johnson

you pretty much need a HOF QB or a GOAT defense.

i guess balance is overrated :kitten:

i'm still gonna enjoy this season.

CloakNNNdagger
12-10-2012, 11:37 PM
QB sneak in a worthless game.........don't I remember that.............

mussop
12-10-2012, 11:37 PM
I think we lose to the vikings and split with the colts.

But i wouldn't be surprised if we lost all three actually.

C'mon man seriously.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:37 PM
Time for the Chronicle to run a pic of a tombstone with the title "Choke City." It worked once in the past. :D

nut
12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
the hoodie has been handling the defense & outcoached kubiak's offense

TexanSam
12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
the hoodie has been handling the defense & outcoached kubiak's offense

Hoodies > letterman jackets

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
I still have us winning out.

I was never a fan of this matchup, not at this point in the reg season. Anybody who wasn't legitimately worried about this game when it was scheduled...uh, yeah.

We are better than the Colts and Vikings.

We're obviously a notch below the Patriots, and in the NFL you can sometimes come back and steal one back from that type of team the second time around. Especially if the game is in YOUR house and not theirs.

I watched this all the way to the end. No shame in being a Texans fan. There's a lot of fans who wish they were in our shoes getting our brains beat out by the Pats and still walking away with an 11-2 record after it's over.

And look, I am under no illusions here. Yeah, I am pissed off like all of you are. But honestly, there's three more games and we can beat those teams even despite what we saw tonight out of our guys.

The Pats were the better team tonight. The Pats showed signs that they are not perfect. This game falls on our coaching staff. We still have a good shot at winning in the playoffs, we just have to show up.

MEGA SWATT
12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
Just when everyone is ready to say the Texans are what their record is - A. R. and GB come and smack us down. We recover from Cushing being out and start winning again and enter T.B. and the Pats to beat us down just to remind us we are not jack sheet.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
Sad part is AJ is getting older and less effective, No depth behind him, AF hasn't had a homerun play in how long?, Kubiak is an idiot play caller, we have no guts, call no trick plays, have a major key injury yearly that affects our play :overreact:AJ has struggled against single coverage most of the year. He made big noise in a couple of games, but isn't what he was a few years ago.

TheMatrix31
12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
At least this is a short week so we have a couple less days of stupidity on the board between now and Sunday morning.

Lurvinator11
12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
After a performance like this, it is time to wash my jersey.

Hopefully, Won't have to wash it until after the Super bowl.

fiasco west
12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
The broncos were just getting used to themselves. And we kind if barely won that game. Manning started having his way with us at the end.

Did we win the game or not?

Ravens? Seriously? You count that as a quality win?

They played like **** that game and that wasn't all the texans doing.

The Ravens were healthy then. They played like **** because we took it to them.

So when another team takes it to us and make us look bad, it's because we are bad but when we do it to them then it wasn't all our doing?


We beat the bears without curler. We didn't out tough anyone. Just because the game was sloppy and we came out the winner doesnt mean we out toughed them.

It means, thank goodness curler went out and we slopped our way to a win.

Cutler went out during the game. Going to count injuries now? This team would be a lot better with Cushing.


Even Sanchez looked funtional against us. We played like crap in that game.

The Patriots lost some games to some bad teams, Texans did not.

I know the deal in Houston is to overreact massively and that is what is going to be done. This team is what their record is, yeah they looked bad today but man they lost two games.

Great teams are judged by what they do in the PLAYOFFS not now. If this was a beatdown in the post-season then yes...but it wasn't. This game will mean nada if we beat the Patriots.

RTP2110
12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
and the Texans score a touchdown. I think I'll wet my pants.

CretorFrigg
12-10-2012, 11:40 PM
This game was a waste of my time.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:40 PM
Any takers on the bet that JJ Watt completely rips the entire team a new ******* sometime tonight?

That guy is the real deal. NO quit in him, and I can easily see him laying the smack down to anyone and everyone he feels led to do so toward.

Some guys sort of accept fate. JJ Watt seems to be that rare guy who hates losing more than anything in the world.

Foxboro Steve
12-10-2012, 11:40 PM
I am shocked, guys. I thought you guys could blow us out, with our suspect secondary. I never thought we'd light it up like this.

Good luck the rest of the way.

steelbtexan
12-10-2012, 11:41 PM
the hoodie has been handling the defense & outcoached kubiak's offense

Simple enough

Lurvinator11
12-10-2012, 11:41 PM
Also, we won 5 in a row before we lost one.

Now we won 6 in a row, and then lost.

If we win another 6 in a row, we will be super bowl champs.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:41 PM
Any takers on the bet that JJ Watt completely rips the entire team a new ******* sometime tonight?

That guy is the real deal. NO quit in him, and I can easily see him laying the smack down to anyone and everyone he feels led to do so toward.

Some guys sort of accept fate. JJ Watt seems to be that rare guy who hates losing more than anything in the world.

I'll bet Kubes gives another "on me" speech, reading from a crumpled up piece of paper.

hradhak
12-10-2012, 11:42 PM
Any takers on the bet that JJ Watt completely rips the entire team a new ******* sometime tonight?

That guy is the real deal. NO quit in him, and I can easily see him laying the smack down to anyone and everyone he feels led to do so toward.

Some guys sort of accept fate. JJ Watt seems to be that rare guy who hates losing more than anything in the world.
And he's pissed that he didn't get a sack on Brady. I would hate to be Luck right now. Watt is gonna be coming after him.

DocBar
12-10-2012, 11:42 PM
I am shocked, guys. I thought you guys could blow us out, with our suspect secondary. I never thought we'd light it up like this.

Good luck the rest of the way.You just wait til the playoffs!!!! This game was all about making BB overconfident!!!!

GP
12-10-2012, 11:42 PM
I am shocked, guys. I thought you guys could blow us out, with our suspect secondary. I never thought we'd light it up like this.

Good luck the rest of the way.

You should feel bad, actually.

This close to Christmas and you go and do this to our Texans?

Someone's getting coal in their stocking, steve.

Thank you for being a VERY gracious visitor. If you see Gronked, please tell him I said he could eat ****. LOL.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:44 PM
I'll bet Kubes gives another "on me" speech, reading from a crumpled up piece of paper.

He doesn't use a piece of paper. He has it written on his shoes, since he looks down at them all the time during that type of presser.

Hookem Horns
12-10-2012, 11:44 PM
I am shocked, guys. I thought you guys could blow us out, with our suspect secondary. I never thought we'd light it up like this.

Good luck the rest of the way.

You guys have the 2nd best coach in the league (behind Coughlin). Our guy is somewhere in the middle and not ready to hang with the big dogs. That is the difference.

The same can probably be said at the QB position. Schaub is not in the same league as Brady and that was very apparent tonight.

TexanSam
12-10-2012, 11:45 PM
Any takers on the bet that JJ Watt completely rips the entire team a new ******* sometime tonight?

That guy is the real deal. NO quit in him, and I can easily see him laying the smack down to anyone and everyone he feels led to do so toward.

Some guys sort of accept fate. JJ Watt seems to be that rare guy who hates losing more than anything in the world.

We need help on defense. JJ Watt can rip them a new one every day this week, but that doesn't change the fact that besides him we have average pass rusher's at best. Mercilus is hit or miss but he's a rookie. Barwin has been a major disappoint. Reed as a major disappointment before getting injured. Antonio Smith shows flashes but ultimately he's just an average player as well. There's not much that can be done about that the rest of this season besides hoping that they can play over their heads, but it needs to be addressed in the offseason.

An additional pass rusher, a quality #2 WR, and an upgrade on the right side of the O-line is needed. All three were exploited by the Patriots today.

Chance_C
12-10-2012, 11:45 PM
I'll bet Kubes gives another "on me" speech, reading from a crumpled up piece of paper.

I'd agree with him this time for sure. Wasn't all on him but he didn't help our cause. Grow a pair Kubes!

Foxboro Steve
12-10-2012, 11:48 PM
You should feel bad, actually.

This close to Christmas and you go and do this to our Texans?

Someone's getting coal in their stocking, steve.

Thank you for being a VERY gracious visitor. If you see Gronked, please tell him I said he could eat ****. LOL.

you guys are still 11-2. Everything goes thru Houston. Take care of business and maybe we dance again at your place. I would wager your D plays very PO'd from here on out.

I'll take the coal, thank you very much. Seems our D isn't as bad as we thought. I like our chances next week vs. the Niners. then we get to get healthy vs. Jags and Miami.

Have a great holiday season. As we say up he'ah... Have a wicked merry christmas.

Textan
12-10-2012, 11:50 PM
The game against the Pacs and this game against the Pats say a lot about where the Texans stand against the elite teams.
Schaub is good, but Rodgers and Brady make him look like the sloth I know him to be.
Out-coached, outplayed, weaknesses exposed for all the world to see.
Is it any wonder our beloved Texans get the cold shoulder from the media.
When it's time to step up or come out to be praised by the worlds media, the Texans lay an egg, not once but twice.
Disappointed doesn't even touch how I feel.
Embarrassed comes close.
I've been a Texans fan since the news came we'd have another NFL team.
Was a big time Oilers fan from the mid 70's.
So, don't start that crap about bandwagon fans.
True fans hate to see their team suck, and will hold nothing back in complaining when they see them suck.

GP
12-10-2012, 11:51 PM
you guys are still 11-2. Everything goes thru Houston. Take care of business and maybe we dance again at your place. I would wager your D plays very PO'd from here on out.

I'll take the coal, thank you very much. Seems our D isn't as bad as we thought. I like our chances next week vs. the Niners. then we get to get healthy vs. Jags and Miami.

Have a great holiday season. As we say up he'ah... Have a wicked merry christmas.

Thanks. Merry Christmas to you, too.

Showtime100
12-10-2012, 11:52 PM
you guys are still 11-2. Everything goes thru Houston. Take care of business and maybe we dance again at your place. I would wager your D plays very PO'd from here on out.

I'll take the coal, thank you very much. Seems our D isn't as bad as we thought. I like our chances next week vs. the Niners. then we get to get healthy vs. Jags and Miami.

Have a great holiday season. As we say up he'ah... Have a wicked merry christmas.

Nice to have you aboard for this nightmare. Good job with the classy posts. Good luck, MERRY CHRISTMAS, and we hope to see you guys again this year.

TejasTom
12-10-2012, 11:52 PM
pitiful, wretched, miserable, deplorable, disgraceful, shameful, despicable, pathetic

Textan
12-10-2012, 11:54 PM
pitiful, wretched, miserable, deplorable, disgraceful, shameful, despicable, pathetic

Yup, that pretty much describes it.:toropalm:

GP
12-10-2012, 11:57 PM
You guys have the 2nd best coach in the league (behind Coughlin). Our guy is somewhere in the middle and not ready to hang with the big dogs. That is the difference.

The same can probably be said at the QB position. Schaub is not in the same league as Brady and that was very apparent tonight.

See, people don't really understand how integral GREAT coaching is.

Coughlin, for all his warts (which are really not warts, IMO) is a great HC. Great thinker. On game days, he's on top of things. And then if the team slips...he is on their ass bright and early the next chance he gets. He's made his list out and by Gawd he's going to get it corrected. Or else.

Bill? After being ran out of Cleveland on a rail...the guy wised up and figured out that nice guys finish WAY last. As in "in grandma's basement" last place. He has dedicated himself to finding the best assistants and leveraging draft position and playing to his entire team's strengths (such as positioning Tom Brady to be Tom Brady to his fullest). Kubiak would never dream of that sort of deal with his QB. Gary, IMO, is trying to BE the QB he always wanted to be but never could because he was stuck behind a true legend in Elway. It shows. The insecurity and the inability to let go.

bshep86
12-11-2012, 01:01 AM
Not concerned. Can't win 'em all. They picked apart the weakness everyone knows about on the defense.

Offense wasn't looking like the usual offense. Didn't watch all of the game, but I didn't see the "bread and butter" play-action roll out once (could have missed it).

If they meet in the playoffs, I'm sure things will be different.

This loss makes the next few games that much more important, and make sure the boys are always on their toes and won't relax too soon. So in a way, I can see this as a good thing.

midway
12-11-2012, 01:06 AM
At least we get to play the Colts on two weeks rest, since we didn't play a game tonight.

Joe Texan
12-11-2012, 01:15 AM
Seem old sharky screwed ya this time
Better get out that rabbits foot

SAMURAITEXAN
12-11-2012, 02:15 AM
Schaub's INT and Zebra's Interference call to our DB on 3rd down really killed this game. I thought for sure Matt was going to throw to Foster instead throw to double coverage to Walter. Couldn't believe my eyes. Then come Zebra, on 3rd down NE WR had no chance of catching the ball but flagged. NE gets 1st down and eventually scores. 2TD turn around right there. Only after that, I thought Texans were out coached and out played by Pats.

midway
12-11-2012, 02:41 AM
Don't forget KJ's stupid ass trying to scoop up the fumble and run instead of just falling on the ball.

Ryan
12-11-2012, 03:22 AM
KJ not falling on the ball really was a game changer early on. Since the Giants game a couple years ago I've never physically or mentally checked out of a Texans game as early as I have like in today's game.

When is a guy not named JJ Watt going to make a true impact by a pass rushing standpoint and make his presence felt every week? Although Skip Bayless is a 100% douche, his tweet about Watt playing 1 vs 11 could not have been more true.

As far as the Schaub thing goes, he had a bad game. He's not a top 5 QB, cannot consistently put a team on his back. This is not breaking news. Good quarterback that can win some games for you, but not elite, nor do we really need him to be.

leebigeztx
12-11-2012, 03:47 AM
I've said this many times, schaub can't overcome the team and lift them up. I mean as poor as the defense played in the 1st half, they got 3 straight 3 and outs and the offense did nothing. Then they started the 2nd half with another 3 and out and the offense got nothing. Either the texans need more offensive playmakers or a playmaker at qb.

fiasco west
12-11-2012, 03:54 AM
KJ not falling on the ball really was a game changer early on. Since the Giants game a couple years ago I've never physically or mentally checked out of a Texans game as early as I have like in today's game.

When is a guy not named JJ Watt going to make a true impact by a pass rushing standpoint and make his presence felt every week? Although Skip Bayless is a 100% douche, his tweet about Watt playing 1 vs 11 could not have been more true.

As far as the Schaub thing goes, he had a bad game. He's not a top 5 QB, cannot consistently put a team on his back. This is not breaking news. Good quarterback that can win some games for you, but not elite, nor do we really need him to be.

I'm going to regret saying this...but the Packers game and This game has made me miss Mario. He may not have had the motor Watt had but his pass rush has to be respected. Hopefully we can help him out in the front 7. Cush would have helped out a lot but we've really had it easy when it comes to injuries this year.

TheMatrix31
12-11-2012, 04:04 AM
I don't know if we have. Losing Cushing is like losing our defensive quarterback. For all the attention Watt gets (and rightly so, as I think he's the best overall defensive player this year), it's Cushing who drives everything. It's also Cushing who brings the edge, and makes sure that the secondary is allowed to do their job.

But we've been hit pretty good with injuries this year. Not as bad as last year, but I wouldn't say by any stretch that we've had it easy.

Malloy
12-11-2012, 04:40 AM
I'll bet Kubes gives another "on me" speech, reading from a crumpled up piece of paper.

Which is quite alright, because in alot of ways, it IS his neck.

What frustrates me is that I've yet to see any difference in how plays are called, how games are managed.

Lose, no problem, failure to ajust and evolve... not so ok...

Everlong
12-11-2012, 09:30 AM
I honestly don't know how to explain this.

I've timed the QB's time in the pocket.
I understand the Texans bring more blitz.
I understand when there's max-protect.
The Texans win the trench war by not allowing the opponent's QB much time in the pocket.
Sure, if Brady plays on top of his game, he can beat it.
It's not going to be without challenge.

As I was telling you before the game you cannot blitz Brady because he'll pick you apart regardless of what the timings say. No doubt Watt got in some big hits but Brady will stand in there and get the ball off. Most of Watt's pressure came against the guards but he did school Nate Solder twice as well. Vollmer for the most part held his own and did the best job by far.

I really enjoyed interacting with you all week and wish your team well they are a likable team and your fan base has been gracious hosts. I do hope you drop one more so it's in Foxboro though. :)

badboy
12-11-2012, 09:37 AM
As I was telling you before the game you cannot blitz Brady because he'll pick you apart regardless of what the timings say. No doubt Watt got in some big hits but Brady will stand in there and get the ball off. Most of Watt's pressure came against the guards but he did school Nate Solder twice as well. Vollmer for the most part held his own and did the best job by far.

I really enjoyed interacting with you all week and wish your team well they are a likable team and your fan base has been gracious hosts. I do hope you drop one more so it's in Foxboro though. :)Earlier I said I'd be here win or lose and hear I be. Congratulations to your team and to you. You picked apart the Texans as well as did Brady.

Everlong
12-11-2012, 01:24 PM
Earlier I said I'd be here win or lose and hear I be. Congratulations to your team and to you. You picked apart the Texans as well as did Brady.

Appreciate it. Same here I would have come in and said congrats.

thunderkyss
12-11-2012, 10:45 PM
D'oh...... watching the game again, the defense (Jj WAtt) forced two Patriot Punts to start the third Qtr.

That's 5 possesions the Patriots didn't score, 21-0 Pats with 13 minutes left to play in the third.

76Texan
12-11-2012, 11:01 PM
As I was telling you before the game you cannot blitz Brady because he'll pick you apart regardless of what the timings say. No doubt Watt got in some big hits but Brady will stand in there and get the ball off. Most of Watt's pressure came against the guards but he did school Nate Solder twice as well. Vollmer for the most part held his own and did the best job by far.

I really enjoyed interacting with you all week and wish your team well they are a likable team and your fan base has been gracious hosts. I do hope you drop one more so it's in Foxboro though. :)

If we don't have break downs in coverage, Brady wouldn't have been able to make those throws. Our secondary is supposed to be better than yours (or not as bad).

If our offense scored 7 or 10 points in the first half, it would have been a totally different story.

We didn't play well in any aspect of the game, including ST.
That's all there is to it.

I'm looking forward to meet the Pats again in January.

Happy Holiday to you, too !

MEGA SWATT
12-12-2012, 12:31 AM
D'oh...... watching the game again, the defense (Jj WAtt) forced two Patriot Punts to start the third Qtr.

That's 5 possesions the Patriots didn't score, 21-0 Pats with 13 minutes left to play

Watched it again and the pi calls made me sick to my stomach. Calling O PI on Jean when clearly the defender was not playing the ball and ran into Jean - it was not a push off. The other, a D PI - the ball was not catchable. :voodoo::voodoo::clap: The refs are making superstar/franchise calls.

Joe Texan
12-12-2012, 01:26 AM
You guys are pathetix

HJam72
12-12-2012, 06:14 AM
I rewatched most of the first half and what makes me sick is the pathetic play of our right side OL backups and all the safeties biting HARD on every little run fake, passing up on sacks, leaving receivers wide open. You can't focus on showing off against the run when you're facing Brady. Those guys were over-excited and unprofessional. You are a DB; act like one and cover somebody (you know, like the guy streaking by you headed for the endzone as you focus on Branden Bolden). The biggest regular season game we've ever played, and it's against Brady, and you guys are focused on the RB??????? Geez.

Rey
12-12-2012, 08:06 AM
If we don't have break downs in coverage, Brady wouldn't have been able to make those throws. Our secondary is supposed to be better than yours (or not as bad).

If our offense scored 7 or 10 points in the first half, it would have been a totally different story.

We didn't play well in any aspect of the game, including ST.
That's all there is to it.

I'm looking forward to meet the Pats again in January.

Happy Holiday to you, too !

What?

Doesn't matter if our secondary is just as good as theirs (based on our play this year, it's suspect anyways), Tom Brady is better than Matt schaub.

Brady could be facing the best secondary in the league and schaub could be facing our own secondary...

I'm still rolling with Brady because he's that much better.

thunderkyss
12-12-2012, 08:16 AM
What?

Doesn't matter if our secondary is just as good as theirs (based on our play this year, it's suspect anyways), Tom Brady is better than Matt schaub.

Brady could be facing the best secondary in the league and schaub could be facing our own secondary...

I'm still rolling with Brady because he's that much better.

I agree with that, but we're not playing the Tom Bradies, it's still a team game.

Now I don't know how scoring in the first half would have changed the game, but I know it would have changed the game. The Patriots may have still won, but we wouldn't have gotten blown out.

That game, in my mind, was completely uncharacteristic of the Texans. Like he said, Manning & Quin completely out of position, forgetting assignments, not catching balls placed in their hands.

There was one play, with Barwin covering Vareen split wide. There were three receivers to that side (outside the hash marks), we had two deep safety coverage. Manning is lined up inside the hash marks.... why? (Barwin also committed pass interference that wasn't called) He should have been split wider where he could have been able to make a play on the ball if it were thrown at the sideline or a ball thrown to his side of the field (inside the hash mark). Where he was, he had no play on a ball thrown to the sideline.

Again, not saying we would have won, but it would have been different. My opinion of what Manning should have been doing may not be accurate, but that's beside the point. He had no chance on making a play on the ball. There were no receivers running inside so it's not like Brady was fooling him. His play & Quin's play was very undisciplined & that is not what we expect from those two.

76Texan
12-12-2012, 09:35 AM
What?

Doesn't matter if our secondary is just as good as theirs (based on our play this year, it's suspect anyways), Tom Brady is better than Matt schaub.

Brady could be facing the best secondary in the league and schaub could be facing our own secondary...

I'm still rolling with Brady because he's that much better.

The Fid gets it.

It has to do with scheme and assignment.

Nobody is saying that Schaub is Brady by any stretch of the imagination.

steelbtexan
12-12-2012, 10:27 AM
The Fid gets it.

It has to do with scheme and assignment.

Nobody is saying that Schaub is Brady by any stretch of the imagination.

And the QB's

Example #1

Brady finding Stallworth matched up with Harris 1 on 1.

Schaub having Foster as his check down wide open for a posible TD and instead he forces one into Walter, result INT. I'm a Schaub guy, but he had a terrible game. The stage appeared to be to big for him. Although it would be nice to see what Schaub could do with the weapons Brady has and the scary part is that Brady carved up the Texans defense without Gronk.

76Texan
12-12-2012, 10:55 AM
And the QB's

Example #1

Brady finding Stallworth matched up with Harris 1 on 1.

Schaub having Foster as his check down wide open for a posible TD and instead he forces one into Walter, result INT. I'm a Schaub guy, but he had a terrible game. The stage appeared to be to big for him. Although it would be nice to see what Schaub could do with the weapons Brady has and the scary part is that Brady carved up the Texans defense without Gronk.

Schau had a bad day, that's for sure.

But the safety McCourty didn't come up on the unaccounted-for Foster, unlike Demps who squatted for no reason at all when he knew there were two deep treats flying by on both sides of him.

If Only Demps had stayed back, Brady would have been forced to throw that ball away because the pass rush is right on him shortly.

HJam72
12-12-2012, 10:58 AM
Schau had a bad day, that's for sure.

But the safety McCourty didn't come up on the unaccounted-for Foster, unlike Demps who squatted for no reason at all when he knew there were two deep treats flying by on both sides of him.

If Only Demps had stayed back, Brady would have been forced to throw that ball away because the pass rush is right on him shortly.

That's what I'm talking about. DB's all night were just zoned in on, "Oh, I'm gonna get a big hit on the RB!" :foottap:

thunderkyss
12-12-2012, 11:06 AM
Brady finding Stallworth matched up with Harris 1 on 1.


I'm sure Brady's key on that one was the flat footed safety.

That wasn't supposed to be straight 1 on 1 coverage.

76Texan
12-12-2012, 11:11 AM
That's what I'm talking about. DB's all night were just zoned in on, "Oh, I'm gonna get a big hit on the RB!" :foottap:

Even on the PA fake that Quin bit, Manning was the back side safety.

If they played the scheme right, I would think Quin can come down if Manning takes over the post.

I'm quite dissapointed in our safety play this year.
The co-ordination is lacking, and Wade has to fix that.
It was supposed to be our strength.

76Texan
12-12-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm sure Brady's key on that one was the flat footed safety.

That wasn't supposed to be straight 1 on 1 coverage.

Even Plain Garbage can make that throw, LOL

Everlong
12-12-2012, 12:15 PM
If we don't have break downs in coverage, Brady wouldn't have been able to make those throws. Our secondary is supposed to be better than yours (or not as bad).

If our offense scored 7 or 10 points in the first half, it would have been a totally different story.

We didn't play well in any aspect of the game, including ST.
That's all there is to it.

I'm looking forward to meet the Pats again in January.

Happy Holiday to you, too !

Happy holidays to you as well.

Breakdowns happen in every secondary every game. The elite QBs make the throws more often than not. As I said before the game Brady will get throws off just before the pressure hits more often that not. I will grant you your team under-performed but a good portion of that was the Pats having a superior game plan on defense and limiting the running game which again was a key. Every time they tried to run off of Brown the Pats were overloading those gaps and Kubiak never adjusted. Granted Shaub missed some plays but so did Brady or more specifically Welker who probably had his worst game since 2010 when he was coming off the ACL injury.

If we meet again it's likely in your house which will help you a lot. Gronk will be back which will help us a lot.

Good luck moving forward.

Everlong
12-12-2012, 12:17 PM
Even Plain Garbage can make that throw, LOL

You must be joking. That was a perfect deep ball with the coverage pretty close to Stallworth. If you wanted to say the Lloyd TD was a throw anybody could make because the fake was so good nobody was within 10 yards of him I'd buy that one.

76Texan
12-12-2012, 01:51 PM
You must be joking. That was a perfect deep ball with the coverage pretty close to Stallworth. If you wanted to say the Lloyd TD was a throw anybody could make because the fake was so good nobody was within 10 yards of him I'd buy that one.

I may have overstated it a bit, but a darn throw downhill in front of the Qb with the CB in trail, for a decent NFL QB is like money in the pocket.

Everlong
12-12-2012, 02:01 PM
I may have overstated it a bit, but a darn throw downhill in front of the Qb with the CB in trail, for a decent NFL QB is like money in the pocket.

I think only Brady, Rogers, Peyton and Brees, maybe Eli, complete that better than 50% of the time. A guy like Cutler probable completes it 75% of the time but 25% are to the DB. :)

76Texan
12-12-2012, 02:03 PM
Happy holidays to you as well.

Breakdowns happen in every secondary every game. The elite QBs make the throws more often than not. As I said before the game Brady will get throws off just before the pressure hits more often that not. I will grant you your team under-performed but a good portion of that was the Pats having a superior game plan on defense and limiting the running game which again was a key. Every time they tried to run off of Brown the Pats were overloading those gaps and Kubiak never adjusted. Granted Shaub missed some plays but so did Brady or more specifically Welker who probably had his worst game since 2010 when he was coming off the ACL injury.

If we meet again it's likely in your house which will help you a lot. Gronk will be back which will help us a lot.

Good luck moving forward.I must tell you that I was not very pleased that Kubiak left a fourth round rookie Ben Jones on an island with Wilkork that many times. I did mention before the game that it would be foolish, didn't I?

I understand that Brady can get the ball out very quickly , there's nothing new there. But our coverage broke down too often, too soon for the pass rush to have any real effect.

In real time, your team won.
There's hardly anything I can say that matters.
No bitterness; we just get ready for the next battle.

And I did mention that we're a young team, especially in the term that we haven't won anything. The Pats are an established team with the experience and the know-how.

Like I said, it's better not to sound like sour grape.
We will see you shortly, I hope :)

76Texan
12-12-2012, 02:12 PM
I think only Brady, Rogers, Peyton and Brees, maybe Eli, complete that better than 50% of the time. A guy like Cutler probable completes it 75% of the time but 25% are to the DB. :)

Another thing that I mentioned to my peers on this MB, is that against very good to great QB, you have to punch them on the mouth for a while before you can get a result.

In order to do that, we need the back side not to blow assignments.

We didn't do that.
But imagine if they did (like how the Pats back end did), all those hits on Brady, man, they would become more pronounced as the game goes on and the QB doesn't get the results he had hoped for.

thunderkyss
12-12-2012, 02:39 PM
I must tell you that I was not very pleased that Kubiak left a fourth round rookie Ben Jones on an island with Wilkork that many times. I did mention before the game that it would be foolish, didn't I?

I bet you it wasn't Kubiak who made that call. They figure that out at the LOS. There were a couple of times I wondered if Arian was supposed to leave the backfield or help out. Looked like Arian was convinced he was supposed to, but there was one in particular where it appears that Myers passed a guy off (a LB blitzing up the middle) thinking someone was going to be there but wasn't.

He chipped him, then let him go to help Smith. Then he could tell the play was over, turned around & saw Schaub laying on the ground. He started to look around to see what happened.

He had to have thought someone was going to pick up the LB.

Everlong
12-12-2012, 03:02 PM
I must tell you that I was not very pleased that Kubiak left a fourth round rookie Ben Jones on an island with Wilkork that many times. I did mention before the game that it would be foolish, didn't I?

I understand that Brady can get the ball out very quickly , there's nothing new there. But our coverage broke down too often, too soon for the pass rush to have any real effect.

In real time, your team won.
There's hardly anything I can say that matters.
No bitterness; we just get ready for the next battle.

And I did mention that we're a young team, especially in the term that we haven't won anything. The Pats are an established team with the experience and the know-how.

Like I said, it's better not to sound like sour grape.
We will see you shortly, I hope :)

You did say that. Wilfork also beat a bunch of double teams and whenever they doubled him Spike and Mayo were hitting the vacated gap. A lot of the things we both said came true. The one we disagreed on was Brady getting the ball out in spite of pressure. No worries on the sour grapes and I have a feeling we will meet again.

Everlong
12-12-2012, 03:07 PM
Another thing that I mentioned to my peers on this MB, is that against very good to great QB, you have to punch them on the mouth for a while before you can get a result.

In order to do that, we need the back side not to blow assignments.

We didn't do that.
But imagine if they did (like how the Pats back end did), all those hits on Brady, man, they would become more pronounced as the game goes on and the QB doesn't get the results he had hoped for.

That's true but I don't think that's the secondary you have right now. It will be interesting to see how they do against Luck. He's not at the level of a Brady or Rogers but is he as good as Stafford? I'm not sure. Stafford has CJ and to be honest I think CJ makes Stafford. Conversely I think Luck will be the better QB long term but for now it's debatable. Really that game is your pass defense and the Colts run defense. Which ever group rises up wins. I think you have the far superior talent overall but it's a QB driven world and that can even the gap. I think Shaub is a good QB he's just not elite. If the run is working he's pretty good. If it's not as we saw he can be pretty bad.

Everlong
12-12-2012, 03:11 PM
I bet you it wasn't Kubiak who made that call. They figure that out at the LOS. There were a couple of times I wondered if Arian was supposed to leave the backfield or help out. Looked like Arian was convinced he was supposed to, but there was one in particular where it appears that Myers passed a guy off (a LB blitzing up the middle) thinking someone was going to be there but wasn't.

He chipped him, then let him go to help Smith. Then he could tell the play was over, turned around & saw Schaub laying on the ground. He started to look around to see what happened.

He had to have thought someone was going to pick up the LB.

What confused me is they kept moving Foster all the way out to an outside receiver spot. They got the one on one with the LB and they never took advantage of it. It was Mayo every time but one. Mayo is OK in coverage. The one time he didn't it was Spikes. Spikes is OK in zone. One on one......shudder. That's the matchup where Brady looks out there and that ball is going there for sure. I cannot believe the coaching staff didn't recognize that and take advantage of it.

76Texan
12-12-2012, 06:46 PM
You did say that. Wilfork also beat a bunch of double teams and whenever they doubled him Spike and Mayo were hitting the vacated gap. A lot of the things we both said came true. The one we disagreed on was Brady getting the ball out in spite of pressure. No worries on the sour grapes and I have a feeling we will meet again.

I guess I didn't make myself clear. I've noted to my peers that Stafford even gets the ball out in less than a second. You need a backend that can stick or can jump on the receivers to minimize the gains on those routes.

But it's a given in this league.

What we allowed that are most sinful were a couple of deep routes that our safeties hardly gave up last year; something you can relate to with the changes in your secondary lately.

The pass rush can be helped by the back-end in those instances.
Break down in coverage can be exploited even by college QB.

The comparisons need to be made for two teams that play up to their norm, or at least close to it. It wasn't the case in this game, and so the victor rules.
:chickendance:

dmello
12-13-2012, 02:32 PM
I'm a PAT'S and know what you guys went through....sorry. But I've been there done that. I watch the Pat's every weekend and I can tell you, you hit them on their up-swing. They've been playing better and better every week for the last 5-6 weeks. I could actually see the improvement in our defense especially our pass coverage which sucked earlier in the year. I hope we continue to improve throughout the playoffs.

Good luck!

76Texan
12-13-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm a PAT'S and know what you guys went through....sorry. But I've been there done that. I watch the Pat's every weekend and I can tell you, you hit them on their up-swing. They've been playing better and better every week for the last 5-6 weeks. I could actually see the improvement in our defense especially our pass coverage which sucked earlier in the year. I hope we continue to improve throughout the playoffs.

Good luck!

I know, I even posted that the Pats secondary has improved of late with the arrival of Talib, the move to safety by McCourty.

Also, even though I didn't post this on either board; I've always liked Dennard out out of Nebraska (there's a Cornhusker fan on this board with SN Kiwitexan who loves him also).

The Pats got a nice prospect out of that dude.

I would have liked to have him too, but we were already crowded at the position - not exactly to my preference.

NitroGSXR
12-13-2012, 03:29 PM
I'm a PAT'S and know what you guys went through....sorry. But I've been there done that. I watch the Pat's every weekend and I can tell you, you hit them on their up-swing. They've been playing better and better every week for the last 5-6 weeks. I could actually see the improvement in our defense especially our pass coverage which sucked earlier in the year. I hope we continue to improve throughout the playoffs.

Good luck!

Welcome to the boards! They were definitely gelling. We'll get you next month!!