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Specnatz
12-08-2012, 02:55 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

RT @BenRogers: Josh Brent mugshot. Intoxication manslaughter. pic.twitter.com/rVQ9BKco

https://twitter.com/BenRogers/status/277497311280656384/photo/1/large

Makes me love our choir boys all the more.

GlassHalfFull
12-08-2012, 03:08 PM
Newy Scruggs ‏@newyscruggs
Per Irving PD report #Cowboys NT Josh Brent was drunk, speeding & flipped his car which killed passenger/teammate Jerry Brown. @BlueStarBlog


Oh wow. This is sad. I hate to hear this.

ChampionTexan
12-08-2012, 03:15 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

RT @BenRogers: Josh Brent mugshot. Intoxication manslaughter. pic.twitter.com/rVQ9BKco

https://twitter.com/BenRogers/status/277497311280656384/photo/1/large

Makes me love our choir boys all the more.

C'mon dude - I dislike the Cowboys as much as anyone, but this is totally classless. At least lose the smiley.

Specnatz
12-08-2012, 03:16 PM
I cant now that you quoted it.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk

Follow-up is coming on Josh Brent intoxication manslaughter story: Victim was Cowboys teammate Jerry Brown.

Newy Scruggs ‏@newyscruggs

Per Irving PD report #Cowboys NT Josh Brent was drunk, speeding & flipped his car which killed passenger/teammate Jerry Brown. @BlueStarBlog

The story gets worse

ChampionTexan
12-08-2012, 03:18 PM
I cant now that you quoted it.



Fixed.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2012, 03:22 PM
So sad.

As an aside, he is being held without bail.

Officers at the scene suspected alcohol to be a factor, so they gave Brent was given a field sobriety test, which he failed. He was arrested by Irving PD and booked on a second degree felony charge at 4:14 AM and is being held without bail.

Brent pled guilty to a misdemeanor DUI charge while in college.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/08/josh-brent-arrested-dallas-cowboys-manslaughter/#ixzz2EUh2CHnX

The accident occurred at 2:30 AM, I'm sure getting drunk 36 hours before a game would have certainly boosted his game.

infantrycak
12-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Not saying he wasn't drunk but they better have gotten a blood or breath test because a field sobriety test after rolling a car and seeing your buddy dead is going to get torn apart.

Coolhandsluke2
12-08-2012, 03:48 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
RT @billvoth: From what looks like Jerry Brown’s Facebook page, a very sad post. He was about to be a dad. pic.twitter.com/P9wKSgZX

Playoffs
12-08-2012, 04:50 PM
Wow, so sad.

They were college teammates.

Upon arriving on the scene, officers saw Brent dragging Brown from the car, which had caught fire in the wreck, a police spokesman said. Officers extinguished the fire and talked with Brent, who they determined was the driver of the vehicle.

Brown Jr. was transferred to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead.http://www.wfaa.com/sports/Cowboys-nose-tackler-arrested-for-intoxicated-manslaughter-in-teammates-death-182675961.html

Prayers for the Brown and Cowboys family.

Don't go out drinking without a plan, man. Designated driver, call a cab, limo, something.

Two lives are lost, here, and others are irreparably harmed.

Specnatz
12-08-2012, 04:57 PM
He will get about 15 - 25 years going by what I have seen others get.

BullBlitz
12-08-2012, 04:58 PM
Two more lives ruined, and families heartbroken. Tragic.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2012, 05:24 PM
Not saying he wasn't drunk but they better have gotten a blood or breath test because a field sobriety test after rolling a car and seeing your buddy dead is going to get torn apart.

He's going to have enough problems even if speeding is proven without intoxication. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Texas differentiates involuntary from voluntary manslaughter, which is a 2nd degree felony (what has been reported) and carries with it something like up to ~20 years?

GlassHalfFull
12-08-2012, 05:30 PM
He's going to have enough problems even if speeding is proven without intoxication. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Texas differentiates involuntary from voluntary manslaughter, which is a 2nd degree felony (what has been reported) and carries with it something like up to ~20 years?

He was taken to the hospital to have his blood drawn.

GP
12-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Where is Bob Costas when we need him, to put a little perspective on this tragedy?

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2012, 06:08 PM
He was taken to the hospital to have his blood drawn.

I sort of took that for granted in that there is this little Texas Act on the books that I was made aware of while taking care of a victim of this type of situation.


Warrantless Blood Draws

Should the DPD receive authorization to begin a mandatory blood draw program for all drivers, it would be an extension of the rights police officers already have in Texas to take blood from DWI suspects.

Last September, the Texas legislature passed the Nicole "Lilly" Lalime Act, which permits the police to take mandatory blood draws without a warrant in limited situations. These situations currently include:


When a person is arrested for a felony DWI, such as driving while intoxicated with a child passenger, intoxication assault or intoxication manslaughter

When a person has two or more previous DWI convictions

When a person has one or more previous felony DWI convictions

When a person is involved in an accident causing death or serious injury requiring emergency room treatment to another


Prior to passage of the Act, the police could not take a blood sample without obtaining the driver's consent or a valid warrant from a judge, which gave rise to Dallas' No Refusal program.link (http://www.theshapirolawfirm.com/Articles/Dallas-Police-Want-Blood-Draws-Mandatory-for-All-DWI-Suspects.shtml)

More and more states are actually changing their laws to mandatory blood testing in cases of DUI lieu of having to first request breath testing. The latter, as Cak eluded to has been too easy to "defend" with reasonable doubt, whereas 90% + convictions have been reported with positive blood testing.........juries love this confirmatory evidence.

infantrycak
12-08-2012, 06:10 PM
He's going to have enough problems even if speeding is proven without intoxication. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Texas differentiates involuntary from voluntary manslaughter, which is a 2nd degree felony (what has been reported) and carries with it something like up to ~20 years?

Texas has a single recklessness standard but in practice things are differentiated and intoxication will be key to both a conviction and sentencing.

The sentencing varies wildly from around 2-20 years.

As anyone knows who has received a speeding ticket - speeding is not ordinarily considered reckless driving for which there is a separate misdemeanor offense and by analogy recklessness for manslaughter.

If they can't prove intoxication their chances of prosecution plummet and even if successful the sentence will be much lighter. Just imagine this - 100 potential jurors, typical DFW folks, get seated as potential jurors. "How many of you have ever sped in your life?" "How many of you have ever gone 10 mph over the speed limit?" 20, whatever the prosecution is going to claim. Unless you get those with hands in the air to admit they are biased for speeders you ain't getting them off the jury for cause. So now you have a jury with people you are asking to convict themselves of recklessness to the point of being liable for manslaughter. The voir dire would be huge in the case. I'd find the 3-4 worst offenders on the panel (there are always several who will say anything to get out of jury duty) who I am sure the prosecutor is going to strike for cause and wring them about how bad they have been so all the other jurors think well of themselves and the defendant who was "only going 15 mph over the speed limit."

Has anyone seen a report of what kind of vehicle was involved?

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Texas has a single recklessness standard but in practice things are differentiated and intoxication will be key to both a conviction and sentencing.

The sentencing varies wildly from around 2-20 years.

As anyone knows who has received a speeding ticket - speeding is not ordinarily considered reckless driving for which there is a separate misdemeanor offense and by analogy recklessness for manslaughter.

If they can't prove intoxication their chances of prosecution plummet and even if successful the sentence will be much lighter.

Has anyone seen a report of what kind of vehicle was involved?

Thanks for the post

I'm sure it was a Yugo!:)

infantrycak
12-08-2012, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the post

I'm sure it was a Yugo!:)

I edited to add. Please see revised post.

I was curious whether it was a high or low center of gravity car. I have a fair amount of accident reconstruction background (plus spent a lot of time with "Ugly" Joe Hinton (http://www.jshinton.com/about.html)) and was curious.

As an aside - not all police are trained in accident reconstruction. Joe has trained many of those who are.

SheTexan
12-08-2012, 06:40 PM
What's it gonna take for people to understand that THEY are NOT immune to what alcohol does to the brain!! So tragic!

Playoffs
12-08-2012, 07:11 PM
Has anyone seen a report of what kind of vehicle was involved?2007 MB S-Class.

False Start
12-08-2012, 07:45 PM
Where is Bob Costas when we need him, to put a little perspective on this tragedy?

At a gun control rally.

This is sad. I never have and never will drive intoxicated... on anything.

thunderkyss
12-08-2012, 09:01 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever looked to see how many similar cases included a previous DUI

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2012, 10:00 PM
Found this piece that chronicles his past. Problems have followed him to the Supplemental Draft........and beyond.


9:42PM EST December 8. 2012 - Josh Brent didn't enter the NFL's supplemental draft in 2010 because he had made the most of his three years at the University of Illinois and was ready to turn pro. He did it because a series of off-field and academic problems had exhausted every other option.

"Most definitely, it's a second chance," Brent said at the time to The Pantagraph of Bloomington, Ill., before being picked by the Dallas Cowboys and eventually making the team.

"I just talked to Josh's agent a few weeks ago to see how he was doing, and really he had settled down and wasn't going out, not living an extravagant life and was just enjoying the NFL," former Illinois coach Ron Zook told USA TODAY Sports. "He was mentoring Jerry, even though Jerry's older, and trying to help him make it in the league."

Though much of the focus in the accident's aftermath has been on Brent's 2009 DUI charge, for which he served 30 days in jail, it was just one roadblock in a long, often winding path to the NFL. The only child of a single mother, Brent landed in Bloomington, Ill., at age 5 when his mother, LaTosha Brent, fled an abusive relationship. She was just 16 when Brent was born.

Though he excelled in three sports – football, basketball and track – Brent often had little supervision because his mother worked long hours to pay the bills. When she was no longer able to work because of health issues, she moved out of town to live with her mother. Brent, meanwhile, was taken in during his senior year of high school by Isy Hoomanawanui, an assistant coach on the football team, whose son Michael (now a tight end for the New England Patriots) became Brent's best friend and eventually his teammate at Illinois.

"I talked to him earlier today, and he's in tears," Brit Miller, a former Illinois teammate and current St. Louis Rams fullback, said of Michael Hoomanawanui. "Hawaiians don't cry. He feels for his brother. Everyone makes dumb decisions, and it seems Josh keeps paying for his with the highest and worst price."

As an Illinois sophomore in 2008, Brent missed two games for what the team had termed an illness, but Zook's refusal to answer questions about it at the time – "I'd rather you not ask me about Josh. … I'm not in any position to be able to talk about it," he told reporters – led to rampant fan speculation that there was a discipline problem.

Zook says he does not remember that particular incident but emphasized he would not have covered for Brent if he had been suspended.

"He didn't have a lot of problems at Illinois," Zook says. "He had one major mistake (the DUI) that he made. He was at a party, and a girl was there that was drunk. And he was worried about her getting home and trying to take care of her. He got caught and paid dearly for it. I had to discipline him and the university disciplined him, but he came back and did the things he had to do. He wasn't a problem at all. They weren't angels, but I wasn't either."

Brent was slated to come back for what many thought would be an all-Big Ten season in 2010, but he did not meet academic-eligibility requirements. When an attempt to get him eligible through a junior college failed, he entered the supplemental draft.

"You're able to sit back and look at your mistakes and realize why they were mistakes," he told The Pantagraph. "You're able to fully comprehend and understand where the mistakes were made, and not just finding where to place the blame."

Zook said Brent was "a smart kid" who lacked the focus and discipline to do his academic work.

"Him and Jerry both, you had to stay on them constantly to do the things you needed them to do (academically)," Zook said. "But they don't have the corner on that market."link (Though much of the focus in the accident's aftermath has been on Brent's 2009 DUI charge, for which he served 30 days in jail, it was just one roadblock in a long, often winding path to the NFL. The only child of a single mother, Brent landed in Bloomington, Ill., at age 5 when his mother, LaTosha Brent, fled an abusive relationship. She was just 16 when Brent was born. Though he excelled in three sports – football, basketball and track – Brent often had little supervision because his mother worked long hours to pay the bills. When she was no longer able to work because of health issues, she moved out of town to live with her mother. Brent, meanwhile, was taken in during his senior year of high school by Isy Hoomanawanui, an assistant coach on the football team, whose son Michael (now a tight end for the New England Patriots) became Brent's best friend and eventually his teammate at Illinois. "I talked to him earlier today, and he's in tears," Brit Miller, a former Illinois teammate and current St. Louis Rams fullback, said of Michael Hoomanawanui. "Hawaiians don't cry. He feels for his brother. Everyone makes dumb decisions, and it seems Josh keeps paying for his with the highest and worst price." As an Illinois sophomore in 2008, Brent missed two games for what the team had termed an illness, but Zook's refusal to answer questions about it at the time – "I'd rather you not ask me about Josh. … I'm not in any position to be able to talk about it," he told reporters – led to rampant fan speculation that there was a discipline problem. Zook says he does not remember that particular incident but emphasized he would not have covered for Brent if he had been suspended. "He didn't have a lot of problems at Illinois," Zook says. "He had one major mistake (the DUI) that he made. He was at a party, and a girl was there that was drunk. And he was worried about her getting home and trying to take care of her. He got caught and paid dearly for it. I had to discipline him and the university disciplined him, but he came back and did the things he had to do. He wasn't a problem at all. They weren't angels, but I wasn't either." Brent was slated to come back for what many thought would be an all-Big Ten season in 2010, but he did not meet academic-eligibility requirements. When an attempt to get him eligible through a junior college failed, he entered the supplemental draft. "You're able to sit back and look at your mistakes and realize why they were mistakes," he told The Pantagraph. "You're able to fully comprehend and understand where the mistakes were made, and not just finding where to place the blame." Zook said Brent was "a smart kid" who lacked the focus and discipline to do his academic work. "Him and Jerry both, you had to stay on them constantly to do the things you needed them to do (academically)," Zook said. "But they don't have the corner on that market.""[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2012/12/08/josh-brent-jerry-brown-nfl-cowboys/1756219/)

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2012, 10:36 PM
The investigator said it appeared the car skidded, hit the curb, swerved back into the middle lane, then spun off the road, driver's side first. The car flipped several times, bouncing along the grassy embankment as it tumbled, before coming to rest upside down in the roadway after traveling nearly 300 yards, the investigator said.link (http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/usatoday/article/1755831&usatref=sportsmod?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports |p)

CloakNNNdagger
12-09-2012, 12:02 AM
The Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle, facing DUI manslaughter charges as the driver in the single-vehicle crash in Irving, Texas, early Saturday morning that resulted in the death of his close friend and teammate, acknowledged as much in a statement released through his agent on Saturday night.

"I am devastated and filled with grief," Brent said in the statement. "Filled with grief for the loss of my close friend and teammate, Jerry Brown. I am also grief-stricken for his family, friends and all who were blessed enough to have known him.link (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2012/12/08/dallas-cowboys-josh-brent-intoxication-manslaughter-jerry-brown-jr-brent-releases-statement-from-jail/1756355/)

eriadoc
12-09-2012, 12:15 AM
Everyone has been told not to drink and drive. He did it willfully, not ignorantly. When you decide to take a drink and do not give up your keys, you are making a conscious decision to increase the risk of someone losing their life. Unfortunately, it's perfectly legal to drink and drive in this country. It's just not legal to drink beyond a certain point and drive. We leave the decision making of whether or not one is impaired to the person who is impaired. It's fkn BRILLIANT.

I feel terrible for the guy riding with him. If anyone needed another example of why you don't ride with someone who has been drinking, this is it.

Texan_Bill
12-09-2012, 12:29 AM
I'm an abashed Cowboy hater.... That said this is really sad!

I also think CAK brings up a really good point about field sobriety reports v. actual toxiciology reports... Interesting? Yes!

Sad nonetheless.........

Showtime100
12-09-2012, 02:05 AM
Terrible news. I don't know anything about the kid, but this whole thing is clearly a dumb, stupid, tragic mistake. Condolences to the Cowboys, but much more to his family and friends.

thunderkyss
12-09-2012, 07:36 AM
Everyone has been told not to drink and drive. He did it willfully, not ignorantly. When you decide to take a drink and do not give up your keys, you are making a conscious decision to increase the risk of someone losing their life. Unfortunately, it's perfectly legal to drink and drive in this country. It's just not legal to drink beyond a certain point and drive. We leave the decision making of whether or not one is impaired to the person who is impaired. It's fkn BRILLIANT.

I feel terrible for the guy riding with him. If anyone needed another example of why you don't ride with someone who has been drinking, this is it.

I hear ya. I don't think the punishment is steep enough for DUI, as been mentioned earlier, this isn't the first time this guys judgement has been questionable.

However, the second statement.... what was he thinking?

Should we be thinking of him as a victim here?

IDEXAN
12-09-2012, 08:37 AM
Some sleaze-bag lawyer will probably get this guys sentence reduced to a fine and probation, i.e., no jail-time. And that's already been done before as he has reportedly been busted atleast once in the past for drinkin' & driven'.
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The arrest for intoxication manslaughter was not the first time Josh Brent has been charged with drinking and driving.

The Cowboys nose tackle, who was arrested Saturday morning after a one-car crash that killed teammate Jerry Brown also had a drunken driving arrest in Illinois when he was in college.

In June 2009, he was sentenced to two years probation and 60 days in jail as part of a plea deal from a March 2009 DUI arrest in Champaign County, Illinois.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/josh-brent-had-a-prior-dui-arrest-in-college/

ArlingtonTexan
12-09-2012, 09:20 AM
Some sleaze-bag lawyer will probably get this guys sentence reduced to a fine and probation, i.e., no jail-time. And that's already been done before as he has reportedly been busted atleast once in the past for drinkin' & driven'.
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The arrest for intoxication manslaughter was not the first time Josh Brent has been charged with drinking and driving.

The Cowboys nose tackle, who was arrested Saturday morning after a one-car crash that killed teammate Jerry Brown also had a drunken driving arrest in Illinois when he was in college.

In June 2009, he was sentenced to two years probation and 60 days in jail as part of a plea deal from a March 2009 DUI arrest in Champaign County, Illinois.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/josh-brent-had-a-prior-dui-arrest-in-college/

The minimium sentence is supposed to range from 2 to 20 years for intoxication manslaughter

Malloy
12-09-2012, 09:33 AM
I love to drink, and I love to drive, but I never mix the two...

Tragic indeed... for all involved.

Malloy
12-09-2012, 09:42 AM
Found this post card made by the Danish agency for traffic safety, it always 'sobers' me up.

[edit] Farlig = dangerous

CloakNNNdagger
12-09-2012, 09:51 AM
Not saying he wasn't drunk but they better have gotten a blood or breath test because a field sobriety test after rolling a car and seeing your buddy dead is going to get torn apart.

As per the Nicole "Lilly" Lalime Act (posted previously http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2073914&postcount=15, which permits the police to take MADATORY blood draws without a warrant in these situations:

“Officers at the scene believed alcohol was a contributing factor in the crash; therefore, Price-Brent was asked to perform field sobriety tests. Based on the results of the tests, along with the officer’s observations and conversations with Price-Brent, he was arrested for driving while intoxicated. He was transported to an area hospital for a mandatory blood draw. Once it was learned that the passenger of his vehicle had died as a result of the crash, Price-Brent was booked into the Irving City Jail on one count of intoxication manslaughter.” ~ statement from the Irving Police Department.


Evidently, a more extensive history related to driving responsibility issues:


This is not the first incident of drunk driving with Dallas Cowboys Josh Brent. On February 21, 2009, he was stopped by a police officer in Urbana, Illinois. He wasn’t a Dallas Cowboy then, but a defensive tackle for the Illinois Illini. At the time of his detainment, he was driving on a suspended license. There was also a warrant issued for him for failing to appear in court for a previous act of driving under suspended license. On June 2, 2009, Brent plead guilty to a misdemeanor DUI. He was sentenced to two years probation and 60 days in jail. He also paid a fine and completed 200 hours of community service.
link (http://www.examiner.com/article/dallas-cowboys-player-josh-brent-kills-teammate-jerry-brown)


Not mentioned previously by most media..........SPEEDING also accompanied his previous DUI:

Brent pleaded guilty to a DUI charge in 2009 after he was arrested for speeding while driving under the influence with a suspended license, according to Champaign County, Ill., court records obtained by The Associated Press.link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000107605/article/josh-brent-arrested-after-crash-kills-cowboys-player)

IDEXAN
12-09-2012, 11:08 AM
The minimium sentence is supposed to range from 2 to 20 years for intoxication manslaughter
NP, some slicker will just get the charges reduced. This clown will be out driving around drunk again in no time at all.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 12:09 PM
Some sleaze-bag lawyer will probably get this guys sentence reduced to a fine and probation, i.e., no jail-time. And that's already been done before as he has reportedly been busted atleast once in the past for drinkin' & driven'.
****************************************
The arrest for intoxication manslaughter was not the first time Josh Brent has been charged with drinking and driving.

The Cowboys nose tackle, who was arrested Saturday morning after a one-car crash that killed teammate Jerry Brown also had a drunken driving arrest in Illinois when he was in college.

In June 2009, he was sentenced to two years probation and 60 days in jail as part of a plea deal from a March 2009 DUI arrest in Champaign County, Illinois.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/josh-brent-had-a-prior-dui-arrest-in-college/

NP, some slicker will just get the charges reduced. This clown will be out driving around drunk again in no time at all.

You really do not understand the laws in Texas. There is two things Texas does not fck with. One is DUI, yes the first is usually is a fine and probation which I am fine with. But I have seen on the news guys getting 27 years for intoxicated manslaughter. He will do time, how much will be up to a plea bargain. If you think a DA will just let a slam dunk case (if the blood taken shows he was drunk and how much by is a huge factor) just go, you do not know politics.

The other thing in Texas that the law does not mess with is domestic violence. the first is a misdemeanor and the second is a felony in most cases. I know this because my brother is a police officer and we have had conversations regarding this.

eriadoc
12-09-2012, 12:31 PM
You really do not understand the laws in Texas. There is two things Texas does not fck with. One is DUI, yes the first is usually is a fine and probation which I am fine with. But I have seen on the news guys getting 27 years for intoxicated manslaughter. He will do time, how much will be up to a plea bargain. If you think a DA will just let a slam dunk case (if the blood taken shows he was drunk and how much by is a huge factor) just go, you do not know politics.

Both my parents were killed here in TX by a drunk driver. It was the offender's 4th time being caught. He had a revoked license and had never served time. His BAC, as measured by a blood draw 3 hours after the incident, was .30. For killing two people, he served 11 years.

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 01:00 PM
Both my parents were killed here in TX by a drunk driver. It was the offender's 4th time being caught. He had a revoked license and had never served time. His BAC, as measured by a blood draw 3 hours after the incident, was .30. For killing two people, he served 11 years.

Which no offense to your personal situation proves Spec's point. You understandably wanted to see more jail time but Spec was refuting IDEXAN''s assertion this guy would get no jail time at all.

Also times change. Things were looser 20 years ago than they are now.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 01:00 PM
Both my parents were killed here in TX by a drunk driver. It was the offender's 4th time being caught. He had a revoked license and had never served time. His BAC, as measured by a blood draw 3 hours after the incident, was .30. For killing two people, he served 11 years.

Eriadoc, I am deeply sorry for your loss. My brother whom I never knew (Dads first marriage) was killed by a drunk driver and never served a day. Times have changed and I can only go by what I have read and talked to my brother about. Jail time for this has increased exponentially in the last 7 yrs.

eriadoc
12-09-2012, 02:55 PM
Which no offense to your personal situation proves Spec's point. You understandably wanted to see more jail time but Spec was refuting IDEXAN''s assertion this guy would get no jail time at all.

Also times change. Things were looser 20 years ago than they are now.

I related my story more to point out the fact that it was the offender's 4th time being caught and he had never previously served time. He made the assertion that TX was tough on DUI. I kind of dispute that. Sure, if someone is killed, they'll jail the guy. But if not, the offender is basically put back out on the road until he does kill someone. As for things being tougher now, I hope so. Next April will be the 15 year anniversary.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 05:19 PM
I related my story more to point out the fact that it was the offender's 4th time being caught and he had never previously served time. He made the assertion that TX was tough on DUI. I kind of dispute that. Sure, if someone is killed, they'll jail the guy. But if not, the offender is basically put back out on the road until he does kill someone. As for things being tougher now, I hope so. Next April will be the 15 year anniversary.

Mandatory 3rd degree felony for a 3rd DUI, punishable by 2 - 10.

eriadoc
12-09-2012, 05:24 PM
Mandatory 3rd degree felony for a 3rd DUI, punishable by 2 - 10.

Do you consider that tough?

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 05:41 PM
Do you consider that tough?

Frankly, if nobody is injured, yes.

CloakNNNdagger
12-09-2012, 05:59 PM
Frankly, if nobody is injured, yes.

Looks like a third degree felon can get off with no jail time. Is this the case or am I misreading this? Would invite your input.

Section 12.34 of the Texas Penal Code sets out the punishment range for a third degree felony in Texas. According to the Texas Penal Code a third degree felony is punishable by:

(a) Confinement in prison for a term of not more than 10 years or less than 2 years; AND
(b) A fine not to exceed $10,000.

Community Supervision and a Third Degree Felony

If a person is eligible for probation, he or she may be place on probation instead of imprisoned for:

a) Up to 10 years of deferred adjudication community supervision; OR
b) From 2 to 10 years of post conviction community supervision; AND
c) Up to 180 days in county jail as a condition of probation.

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 06:22 PM
Looks like a third degree felon can get off with no jail time. Is this the case or am I misreading this? Would invite your input.

You're reading it correctly. To be frank, I like latitude in sentencing. As an example from this context, I know a woman who left a bar to drive herself home, traveled a few blocks, decided it would be better not to drive, pulled over and parked to sleep. An officer spotted her, she was honest and then blew the minimum .08. Now my example comes from a 1st offense but my point is context matters.

10 years in jail is a damn serious sentence for something which doesn't involve anyone being injured. There are armed robbers, sexual assailants and even rapists who don't get 10 years of jail time.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 06:56 PM
Looks like a third degree felon can get off with no jail time. Is this the case or am I misreading this? Would invite your input.

You're reading it correctly. To be frank, I like latitude in sentencing. As an example from this context, I know a woman who left a bar to drive herself home, traveled a few blocks, decided it would be better not to drive, pulled over and parked to sleep. An officer spotted her, she was honest and then blew the minimum .08. Now my example comes from a 1st offense but my point is context matters.

10 years in jail is a damn serious sentence for something which doesn't involve anyone being injured. There are armed robbers, sexual assailants and even rapists who don't get 10 years of jail time.


I will need to ask my brother (which i doubt he would know since he is a police officer not a lawyer), but I thought they put in a provision to where that was not possible (probation) for DUI.

I do know that deferred adjudication is not available for a first offense. Friend of mine got one in Austin in 2008 and her lawyer said it was not available.

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 07:16 PM
I will need to ask my brother (which i doubt he would know since he is a police officer not a lawyer), but I thought they put in a provision to where that was not possible (probation) for DUI.

I do know that deferred adjudication is not available for a first offense. Friend of mine got one in Austin in 2008 and her lawyer said it was not available.

Gary Trichter is a pretty big dog on the issue. He literally wrote the book on Texas DUI law. Link (http://www.texasdwilaw.com/dwi_penalities.html)

Also look at #12 under FAQ.

Playoffs
12-09-2012, 07:49 PM
Looks like a third degree felon can get off with no jail time. Is this the case or am I misreading this? Would invite your input.Pretty sure deferred adjudication for DWI ended in the early 1980s?

I personally don't think Texas laws are tough at all on DWIs -- not effectively tough.

A good attorney can plea bargain a 5th DWI down to a misdemeanor to give a judge the latitude not to impose a prison sentence -- less than a year.

Now things usually get tougher when there's a manslaughter involved, but mostly because of groups like M.A.D.D. who'll send a representative to the court to monitor the proceedings. They make sure the court is aware of their presence.

But for comparison, here's Arizona: 22 year old, first offense, first anything with the law. Drove drunk at dusk on a two lane road, hit and killed two people walking on the side of the road ... he just didn't see them. BAC of .11. After over 200 people testified or wrote letters on his behalf, including a few members of the victim's family, he was sentenced to 14 years. And he had a good lawyer. [He was released after 7 years after becoming the model inmate. One thing he did was fight those west coast fires -- they'd take a group of trustees right into the middle of it.]

My opinion is, he would have done some state jail time and been put into a diversion program in Texas. Total time at worst 18 months. JMO.

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 08:37 PM
A good attorney can plea bargain a 5th DWI down to a misdemeanor to give a judge the latitude not to impose a prison sentence -- less than a year.

You know a lot of 5 time DUI folks to be able to make this judgment?

But for comparison, here's Arizona: 22 year old, first offense, first anything with the law. ...

My opinion is, he would have done some state jail time and been put into a diversion program in Texas. Total time at worst 18 months. JMO.

I am once again wondering where you are forming these opinions. Intoxication manslaughter carries up to 20 years. Here is a recent report of a guy taking a plea to 16 years in Texas - Link (http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/drunk-driver-sentenced-to-years-for-manslaughter/article_1ae450e0-d84b-11e1-aac1-001a4bcf887a.html) 15 years - Link (http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3752643&nav=1TjDdcW5). Here is a guy who got life in prison with no chance of parole for 30 years for repeat DUI (no injuries) - Link (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/11/26/texas-man-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-drunk-driving/)

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 09:25 PM
After doing some research I take back everything i said.

This is flat out amazing

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/austin-man-gets-probation-in-crash-that-killed-two/nS7hw/

I am shocked, is all I can say.

CloakNNNdagger
12-09-2012, 09:43 PM
Why are not ALL intoxication manslaughters also intoxication assault?

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 09:46 PM
Why are not ALL intoxication manslaughters also intoxication assault?

Double jeopardy. You can charge someone for both as a lesser included offense but not as separate offenses. You see these kinds of convictions where some people die and others are injured.

eriadoc
12-09-2012, 09:51 PM
Frankly, if nobody is injured, yes.

Sorry, I don't think you should be put back out there repeatedly until you do hurt someone. I'm not commenting on the amount of time, but the mere fact that 3-time offenders exist (4-time, in my personal experience) tells me all I need to know about the severity of the first two (three) punishments.

GlassHalfFull
12-09-2012, 09:59 PM
Sorry, I don't think you should be put back out there repeatedly until you do hurt someone. I'm not commenting on the amount of time, but the mere fact that 3-time offenders exist (4-time, in my personal experience) tells me all I need to know about the severity of the first two (three) punishments.

I am with Eriadoc on this one. It is like playing russian roulette. Just because you got lucky and didn't hurt someone, doesn't mean you shouldn't be taken off the road and stuck in a jail cell. Too many cases of repeat offenders.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Sorry, I don't think you should be put back out there repeatedly until you do hurt someone. I'm not commenting on the amount of time, but the mere fact that 3-time offenders exist (4-time, in my personal experience) tells me all I need to know about the severity of the first two (three) punishments.

I believe a first offense that someone should receive probation and counseling. If they can not afford the counseling then the state should foot the bill, because in the long run it would save the state money and it would save lives.

Most people who drink have driven intoxicated (by the letter of the law). A couple glasses of wine with dinner can put you over.

You do not want to destroy someones life over one mistake. I am sorry if i offend anyone but a first time offender deserves a chance to prove he has learned his lesson. Why make it so the person has no other choice but to turn to crime to put food on the table.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 10:08 PM
Let me add that I am referring to if no one got hurt and no accident.

infantrycak
12-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Sorry, I don't think you should be put back out there repeatedly until you do hurt someone. I'm not commenting on the amount of time, but the mere fact that 3-time offenders exist (4-time, in my personal experience) tells me all I need to know about the severity of the first two (three) punishments.

Respecting your position, please spell out the sentencing structure you would suggest.

eriadoc
12-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Respecting your position, please spell out the sentencing structure you would suggest.

First time should be as harsh as you can reasonably impose without jail sentencing. I'm talking probation, community service, and mandatory counseling with some AA-type organization. Maybe make them go out and clean up some drunk driver accident sites. Second time should be jail. If you didn't learn your lesson from that first set of punishment, then you're not going to stop doing it. I don't know how long in jail, but assuming no injury to anyone, maybe 6 months. Once you get out, driving privileges should be revoked or severely restricted. If you fk up a third time, you go away for a long time - maybe not ten years, but a long time. If you injure and/or kill anyone in any of those incidents, there should be a separate crime and sentencing structure. Frankly, I don't find the punishment for intoxicated manslaughter to be harsh enough, but that's just me, I'm sure.

I agree there should be latitude in sentencing, as you alluded to above. There are very few, if any, things in life that I go zero tolerance on. But in the case of drinking and driving, that decision is made before you ever pour alcohol down your neck. We have fostered a culture in this country where it's OK to "just have a couple" and then drive home. The problem with that is you leave the judgment of whether or not impairment exists to the person who's impaired.

At the end of this all, people need to recognize that drunk driving is one of the biggest killers in this country, and it's not self inflicted. It's people deliberately choosing to risk other people's lives. That is unacceptable.

Specnatz
12-09-2012, 10:39 PM
If you injure and/or kill anyone in any of those incidents, there should be a separate crime and sentencing structure. Frankly, I don't find the punishment for intoxicated manslaughter to be harsh enough, but that's just me, I'm sure.

I agree there should be latitude in sentencing, as you alluded to above.

I do not disagree with you at all.

thunderkyss
12-10-2012, 04:43 AM
After doing some research I take back everything i said.

This is flat out amazing

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/austin-man-gets-probation-in-crash-that-killed-two/nS7hw/

I am shocked, is all I can say.

This case is all over the place. There's underage drinking & driving without seatbelts.

If the thought is that seat belts could have saved those kids, I don't think the driver should be held accountable for those deaths.

I think whoever is responsible for the kids getting the alcohol should be held responsible. This may be the driver for all I know.

Probation plus 180 days in jail... hmmmmmm

CloakNNNdagger
12-10-2012, 01:59 PM
TABC gets into the act.

Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission spokeswoman Carolyn Beck confirmed that at least one Dallas club is being investigated in connection with the accident that killed Cowboys' Jerry Brown early Saturday morning.

Brown, a practice squad linebacker, had died early Saturday morning in a one-vehicle crash in Irving. Cowboys nose tackle Josh Brent faces criminal charges in the crash.

“We’ve been told they were drinking at more than one location,” Beck said.

However, she declined to name specific businesses.

Dallas TV and radio stations reported that Brown and Brent had been at Privae Dallas, a private club where comedian Shawn Wayans performed Friday night.

Privae often has Cowboys as guests and had scheduled a birthday bash for Cowboys star Dez Bryant in November.

A Twitter account registered to Privae Dallas indicated that Cowboys were at the club Friday night. "#Cowboys!! Surprise Celeb guests!!" it said.

Privae is a members-only club. According to its Website, Privae reserves "the right to refuse entry to anyone for any reason regardless of table reservations, guest list and/or VIP Pass." It has a "very DIFFICULT door policy. There is NO one size fits all approach and everyone is evaluated per individual and cannot be compared to others. A combination of three (3) things are taken into consideration: 1. Style; 2. Attitude; 3. Appearance"

Investigators are looking for any license violations, including serving alcohol to intoxicated customers.

Privae's human resources manager Joe Beamer released a statement Monday: "In regard to the auto accident that took the life of Dallas Cowboy Jerry Brown, we are saddened by the events of the weekend. Our hearts go out to Mr. Brown’s family and friends, and the entire Cowboys organization.

"Privae Dallas is a club that offers its guests a special level of privacy and often caters to celebrities. The safety of our guests is very important to us, and our staff is trained to follow the regulations set forth by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission (TABC).

"We are fully cooperating with the TABC and Irving police, and respect that the event is under investigation. Because of that, we must ask that all questions be directed to the Irving police department and their team."

Police say Brent was intoxicated when he lost control of a 2007 Mercedes about 2 a.m. Saturday as he and Brown were driving home after a night of partying. Brown suffered fatal injuries as the car rolled over and caught fire near State Highway 114 and Loop 12.

Police said in an affidavit that they could “smell a moderate odor of alcohol emitting from … [Brent’s] breath” after the crash.

“He admitted to consuming alcohol at a club that he would not tell me the name of,” one officer wrote.

Brent initially refused to let his blood be drawn to determine his blood alcohol level, but after Brown’s death, he faced a mandatory test.link (http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121210-cowboys-josh-brent-jerry-brown-were-reportedly-at-private-dallas-club-at-least-1-club-being-investigated-by-texas-commission.ece)

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2012, 04:18 PM
Witness says she had to beg Josh Brent to pull Jerry Brown from car (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-josh-brent-larry-brown-20121212,0,7572324.story)


By Houston Mitchell

December 12, 2012, 8:14 a.m.

The death of Dallas Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown in a car accident just gets sadder and sadder. According to a witness, teammate Josh Brent, who was driving the car when it crashed, had to be begged repeatedly to pull Brown from the burning wreckage in which he was trapped.

Stacee McWilliams was one of the first two people to come across the crash scene, she told the Dallas Morning News.

"When I first pulled up to the scene, there was a little bit of a flame coming from the flipped vehicle, like in the engine area. Just a very small flame and I wasn't too overly concerned for that. I jumped out of my vehicle and ran up to make sure that everyone was OK. As I got closer to the scene, there was a gentleman, which I later found out was Josh Brent, that was standing off to the right side of the wreckage, kind of pacing back and forth, you know, walking around.

"I asked him if he was OK, I said 'Is everyone OK?', 'Are you all right?', and he responded to me, he said that he was fine. The person that was in the other vehicle stepped out of her car and she said 'I've already called 9-1-1, they're on the way' .... But it took no time at all for this fire to really get engaged. It became very hot, very bright, very big and then I started to hear screams coming from inside the vehicle and it was a man's voice saying 'Help me', you know, 'Help, somebody help me'. And I turned and looked at the [Brent], and I said 'Is there a passenger? Is there somebody in the car?'. And he said 'Yeah'. And I told him 'Well, get him out of the car'.
"Josh looked at me and he said 'He won't get out of the car'. And I said 'Well, you can't just leave him in there and let him die. You've got to help him. Go get him'. And I commanded him several times and Josh looked at me, and he again said 'He won't get out of the car'. And I told him 'You can't stand here and watch him die. You've got to get him out'."

Brent eventually pulled Brown from the car.
"I want people to understand that Josh Brent is not a hero," McWilliams said. "I keep hearing reports of how he was there to pull his friend from the fire, but he had to be coerced and pushed and begged and pleaded to get his friend out of the fire. And when he pulled him out, he just left him in the street. He didn't tell him 'Hang in there, help is on the way'. Nothing. He just left him there and I want the magnitude of that to be understood."

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2012, 04:19 PM
Brent's been placed on the Cowboys reserved non-football injury list.

jaayteetx
12-12-2012, 04:21 PM
Wow, pretty damning eye witness account.

Double Barrel
12-12-2012, 05:33 PM
First time should be as harsh as you can reasonably impose without jail sentencing. I'm talking probation, community service, and mandatory counseling with some AA-type organization. Maybe make them go out and clean up some drunk driver accident sites. Second time should be jail. If you didn't learn your lesson from that first set of punishment, then you're not going to stop doing it. I don't know how long in jail, but assuming no injury to anyone, maybe 6 months. Once you get out, driving privileges should be revoked or severely restricted. If you fk up a third time, you go away for a long time - maybe not ten years, but a long time. If you injure and/or kill anyone in any of those incidents, there should be a separate crime and sentencing structure. Frankly, I don't find the punishment for intoxicated manslaughter to be harsh enough, but that's just me, I'm sure.

I agree there should be latitude in sentencing, as you alluded to above. There are very few, if any, things in life that I go zero tolerance on. But in the case of drinking and driving, that decision is made before you ever pour alcohol down your neck. We have fostered a culture in this country where it's OK to "just have a couple" and then drive home. The problem with that is you leave the judgment of whether or not impairment exists to the person who's impaired.

At the end of this all, people need to recognize that drunk driving is one of the biggest killers in this country, and it's not self inflicted. It's people deliberately choosing to risk other people's lives. That is unacceptable.

Well said, man. I'd add mandatory breathalysers on ignitions at the owner's expense for all first time offenders, as well.

Truly sad story, and pathetic in light of the fact that the NFL has a chaperone policy in place for all 32 teams. Any player can just call a number and a service will pick them up.

CloakNNNdagger
12-13-2012, 08:23 PM
DALLAS -- The Dallas Cowboys lineman at the wheel of the fatal crash that killed his teammate on Dec. 8 had a blood alcohol level more than twice the legal limit, according to a Dallas Morning News report.

Third-year nose tackle Josh Brent failed a field sobriety test and refused a breathalyzer test at the scene, according to a police affidavit. But authorities were able to order his blood drawn because the wreck killed Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown Jr.

According to the newspaper, the blood test revealed a 0.18 level, well above Texas' .08 threshold for driving drunk.

"That's approximately 14 drinks or so for a man his size," Dwain Fuller, a forensic toxicologist who has testified as an expert witness in court cases for more than 25 years, told Yahoo! Sports. Brent is listed at 6-foot-2, 320 pounds.

Fuller, who is not connected to the case, said the estimated number of drinks Brent consumed could vary depending on his history with alcohol and how long he'd been drinking prior to the wreck. The Morning News attributed its story to an unidentified law enforcement source familiar with the investigation.

Officer John Argumaniz, a spokesman with the Irving Police Department, told Yahoo! Sports investigators have not received test results from the lab. He said detectives will soon meet with prosecutors to discuss the investigation before it is officially filed.

"We are still working on the case," Officer Argumaniz wrote in an email. link (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-josh-brent-blood-alcohol-level-more-twice-174153135--nfl.html)

CloakNNNdagger
12-13-2012, 08:27 PM
From The Dallas News (http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/cowboys-nt-josh-brent-ignored-two-separate-programs-when-he-got-behind-the-wheel.html/):

Josh Brent ignored two separate programs designed to assist players who believe they are too drunk to drive when he got behind the wheel early Saturday morning.

The Cowboys player assistance department has a two-pronged approach. The club has two limo companies lined up to take a player home if he doesn’t believe he should drive. The department also employees a full-time staff person who is on call 24/7 to personally pick up players if needed.

Owner Jerry Jones said on the team’s flagship radio station Thursday that particular staff person has been called seven times by players this season to ask for a ride.

These options are available to the Cowboys in addition to the NFL Players Association hotline number that is included on their union cards.

CloakNNNdagger
12-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Brent will eventually be called to the principal's office.

RVING — NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said he expects to meet with Cowboys nose tackle Josh Brent in the near future.

“Likely, yes,” he said, when asked if the two will get together to talk about the one-vehicle accident Brent was involved in Saturday that led to the death of practice squad linebacker Jerry Brown and Brent’s arrest on a charge of intoxication manslaughter.

Brent, who has since been released from jail after posting a $500,000 bond, was placed on the non-football injury list Wednesday and was allowed to return to the Cowboys’ practice facility earlier this week.

“Ultimately, it’s a club decision,” Goodell said about the move at an NFL owners meeting. “We talked about it internally, with our staff. The club, as I say, is ultimately responsible for any roster movements, and they had made a determination that putting him on a list and allowing him to focus on other issues was the right decision and they came to that conclusion at the end of the day.”

With Brent’s status having changed, Goodell explained that the league is not in any rush to decide how it will punish the Cowboys nose tackle.

“Because he’s not active and he will not be involved with the club, I think we’ll allow the legal process to move forward a little bit and get a little more clarity on that front,” Goodell said.link (http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-will-likely-meet-with-josh-brent-in-near-future-says-league-will-allow-legal-proces-to-move-forward-before-deciding-on-punishment.html/)

eriadoc
12-14-2012, 10:49 AM
His blood test came back. He registered a 0.18 BAC.

LINK (http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121213-josh-brent-s-blood-alcohol-level-more-than-double-legal-limit-during-crash.ece)

2012Champs
12-14-2012, 11:12 AM
really sad considering the NFL has setup a car services for the players but I guess its not manly to call the service vs trying to drive

CloakNNNdagger
12-14-2012, 01:39 PM
really sad considering the NFL has setup a car services for the players but I guess its not manly to call the service vs trying to drive

And too costly at $85 a whack....:toropalm:

infantrycak
12-14-2012, 02:20 PM
And too costly at $85 a whack....:toropalm:

$90 per hour is what I saw - not that it changes your point.

CloakNNNdagger
12-14-2012, 03:22 PM
$90 per hour is what I saw - not that it changes your point.

It's interesting to note that all of the original reports of the NFLPA service released in June of this year referred to the $85 charge. All the reports in the past week have quoted $90. I guess everybody's got to make a living......a sign of the economy and the inflation that doesn't exist.:chef:

CloakNNNdagger
12-14-2012, 05:57 PM
Irving police release dash cam footage, 911 calls from Brent wreck (http://www.wfaa.com/news/Josh-Brents-Blood-Alcohol-Level-Released-183343881.html)

I find that Brent's attorney's affect is somewhat curious......as is his implication that his client's BAC level 1 1/2 hrs after the actual time of the accident, would not necessarily extrapolate to him being intoxicated at the time of accident.

2012Champs
12-14-2012, 07:02 PM
Irving police release dash cam footage, 911 calls from Brent wreck (http://www.wfaa.com/news/Josh-Brents-Blood-Alcohol-Level-Released-183343881.html)

I find that Brent's attorney's affect is somewhat curious......as is his implication that his client's BAC level 1 1/2 hrs after the actual time of the accident, would not necessarily extrapolate to him being intoxicated at the time of accident.



If you chugged a bottle of vodka right before leaving the house you might not be legally intoxicated at the time of the accident but would be a hour later. Somewhat unlikely given they were bar hopping

Playoffs
12-14-2012, 07:40 PM
curious......as is his implication that his client's BAC level 1 1/2 hrs after the actual time of the accident, would not necessarily extrapolate to him being intoxicated at the time of accident.
A common tactic now for DUIs. Rarely favorably received.


Witness says she had to beg Josh Brent to pull Jerry Brown from car (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-josh-brent-larry-brown-20121212,0,7572324.story)
Wow. Just f-ing wow, man.

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2012, 09:12 AM
Jerry Brown's mom tells Josh Brent she still loves him VIDEO (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/video/jerry-browns-mom-tells-josh-brent-she-still-loves-him/2035076087001)

mattieuk
12-15-2012, 02:48 PM
Irving police release dash cam footage, 911 calls from Brent wreck (http://www.wfaa.com/news/Josh-Brents-Blood-Alcohol-Level-Released-183343881.html)

I find that Brent's attorney's affect is somewhat curious......as is his implication that his client's BAC level 1 1/2 hrs after the actual time of the accident, would not necessarily extrapolate to him being intoxicated at the time of accident.

We had a police officer up here in Vancouver a year back who was involved in a crash near to his home - phoned an ambulance, walked the few steps to his house, and 'had a drink to calm his nerves' whilst the ambulances were coming to help out. Got off with the DUI portion of the incident.

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2012, 10:55 AM
We'll probably never know what Brown's BAC was. My guess is that it had to be up there to get into that car with Brent to begin with. But neither were wearing seat belts. That being said, I'm not sure that I can accept Brown's mother reasoning..........besides the fact that she is evidently a good, forgiving person.

Brown's mother Stacey Jackson does not want Cowboys defensive tackle Josh Brent prosecuted after being charged with intoxication manslaughter following Brown's death in a car accident.

"I've forgiven (Brent), because he has enough on his plate with just reliving the whole thing over and over, and that's going to be for the rest of his life," Jackson told WFAA-TV via FoxSportsSouthwest.

She told Brent at her son's memorial service that it wasn't his fault.

" just knew that I was going to blame him, or go off on him or hit him – but no," Jackson said Friday. "Jerry would frown down on me if I did that, because that's not the way I raised him.
[B]
"He wouldn't want you to blame yourself, because both of y'all didn't have seat belt. It was like a little burden lifted off [Brent]." link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000111526/article/jerry-brown-jrs-mother-forgives-cowboys-josh-brent)

EllisUnit
12-16-2012, 07:59 PM
Is it just me or was this ass hole on the side lines during todays game ????

HoustonFrog
12-16-2012, 08:53 PM
Is it just me or was this ass hole on the side lines during todays game ????

Yeah not comfortable with that.

Cloak I thought they released it and BAC was 1.8

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Yeah not comfortable with that.

Cloak I thought they released it and BAC was 1.8

That was Brent's.........I was referring to Brown's.

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2012, 09:12 PM
Is it just me or was this ass hole on the side lines during todays game ????

This is the type of classy act you would expect from the Jerry and his Girls, not to mention CBS for making a point to specifically follow him on the sidelines.
Support by your team mates is one thing, but the tastelessness of the situation does not have to be flaunted in front of 100,000 live and millions over the airwaves. If they want to show their support, let them show it behind locked doors in their locker room.......where the stench is just as strong as the situation.

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2012, 09:54 PM
To demonstrate support, Jerry is making Brent the new Girls' team bus driver......under the condition that he blows less than 0.08 ..............before getting on and after getting off the bus.:kitten::spin:

hradhak
12-16-2012, 11:25 PM
This is the type of classy act you would expect from the Jerry and his Girls, not to mention CBS for making a point to specifically follow him on the sidelines.
Support by your team mates is one thing, but the tastelessness of the situation does not have to be flaunted in front of 100,000 live and millions over the airwaves. If they want to show their support, let them show it behind locked doors in their locker room.......where the stench is just as strong as the situation.

I think this was a pretty sleazy move by the Cowboys.
Nonetheless to be fair, the mother of the deceased asked that he be allowed back on the team.

CloakNNNdagger
12-17-2012, 11:08 PM
Jerry and Jason supposedly both deny knowing anything about the fact that he was going to show up on the side lines.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/17/report-brent-caught-cowboys-officials-by-surprise-yesterday/)

The Cowboys placed him on the non-football injury list, which makes him ineligible to play but he can attend team functions. He apparently left the sidelines during the second half.

“Our team and our players wanted him today on the sideline,” Jones said after the game. “Jerry’s mother asked us directly as a group. She said, ‘Support him. Help him. He needs your help. Jerry wants that. I want that.’ His teammates asked him to come and be down there with them, and that’s where we are.

“I do know that certainly that there’s the other side of the coin, but this is a case that the people that arguably he’s the closest to really wanting him around for him.”

Brent’s presence caused a bit of controversy, and will likely continue to. Cowboys Stadium is a big place, and if they wanted to have him around, there are a lot of places they can put him that wouldn’t be as conspicuous as the sidelines.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jones'/Garret's statement was an after the fact concoction......after they saw the negative reaction that was produced by Brent's presence.:chef:

CloakNNNdagger
12-18-2012, 12:29 PM
Now per the NFL and Cowboys, neither feel it was appropriate to have had Brent on the sidelines.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/josh-brent-no-longer-allowed-on-cowboys-sideline (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/josh-brent-no-longer-allowed-on-cowboys-sideline/)/

CloakNNNdagger
12-18-2012, 11:28 PM
Blind justice isn't so blind......

Bond lowered for Cowboy Brent, must wear monitor (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bond-lowered-cowboy-brent-must-160153900--nfl.html)

Wolf
01-03-2013, 11:27 PM
Autopsy shows that brown was sober.

Questions are now why was Brent driving then? Didn't want to give the keys?

DALLAS (AP) -- An autopsy has found that Dallas Cowboys practice squad player Jerry Brown Jr. was sober when he was killed in a crash that led to an intoxication manslaughter charge against the teammate at the wheel.
The Dallas County Medical Examiner's Office reported Thursday that Brown died of head and neck trauma when their vehicle overturned. He had a dislocated neck, a severely bruised spine and a blood alcohol content of 0.056 percent. That's well below the Texas drunken driving standard of 0.08 percent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/autopsy-cowboys-player-killed-crash-000729738--nfl.html

CloakNNNdagger
01-04-2013, 09:31 AM
Autopsy shows that brown was sober.

Questions are now why was Brent driving then? Didn't want to give the keys?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/autopsy-cowboys-player-killed-crash-000729738--nfl.html

An even sadder scenario, in that Brown showed as much insight to avoiding the situation being "sober" as Brent did being drunk. Very sad.

2012Champs
01-04-2013, 09:52 AM
Autopsy shows that brown was sober.

Questions are now why was Brent driving then? Didn't want to give the keys?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/autopsy-cowboys-player-killed-crash-000729738--nfl.html




While I wouldnt call that sober he certainly should have been in better shape than you friend

bckey
01-05-2013, 01:55 PM
While I wouldnt call that sober he certainly should have been in better shape than you friend

What do you call it, impaired? Come on man.

2012Champs
01-08-2013, 01:04 PM
What do you call it, impaired? Come on man.

Call it what you want but it is not sober. At .05 you would show signs of being impaired and your motor skills would be impacted.

infantrycak
01-08-2013, 01:34 PM
Call it what you want but it is not sober. At .05 you would show signs of being impaired and your motor skills would be impacted.

Some people would show signs, most not. For a man his size that is two martinis consumed over 1.5 hours.

2012Champs
01-08-2013, 11:35 PM
Some people would show signs, most not. For a man his size that is two martinis consumed over 1.5 hours.


Well it's not easy to guess how many drinks he could have per his bac because the number of variables is far too great. That said most resources that I have seen would put a rate of 2-3 drinks an hour for 2 hours around .05 to .06 for someone 260ish and down play it all you want but saying most wouldn't show any signs of impairment is just plain silly. Further more 0.05 is not sober.

steelbtexan
01-08-2013, 11:53 PM
Well it's not easy to guess how many drinks he could have per his bac because the number of variables is far too great. That said most resources that I have seen would put a rate of 2-3 drinks an hour for 2 hours around .05 to .06 for someone 260ish and down play it all you want but saying most wouldn't show any signs of impairment is just plain silly. Further more 0.05 is not sober.

BS,

Three beers/drinks in an hr =impaired=LOL for most people, let alone a 260 lb man who is used to drinking.

infantrycak
01-09-2013, 12:12 AM
Well it's not easy to guess how many drinks he could have per his bac because the number of variables is far too great. That said most resources that I have seen would put a rate of 2-3 drinks an hour for 2 hours around .05 to .06 for someone 260ish and down play it all you want but saying most wouldn't show any signs of impairment is just plain silly. Further more 0.05 is not sober.

I got it from a police department BAC calculator which by the way included body weight. I am not playing down anything. I am contradicting your assertion which I find to be a ridiculous overstatement. To be clear, I am not saying someone at .05 has zero effects - sure propensity to laugh at or tell poor jokes, hug people maybe they shouldn't, evaluate their own looks too highly, etc. I am saying they will most often show no visible signs and have no physical impediment. In addition to the literature on it, it is common sense experience. Couples routinely go out to dinner, split a bottle of wine and maybe even have a drink before dinner or after and show absolutely no physical impediment and are easily in that BAC range. You seem to be acting like folks with a .05 are stumbling, mumbling drunks.

2012Champs
01-09-2013, 08:23 AM
I got it from a police department BAC calculator which by the way included body weight. I am not playing down anything. I am contradicting your assertion which I find to be a ridiculous overstatement. To be clear, I am not saying someone at .05 has zero effects - sure propensity to laugh at or tell poor jokes, hug people maybe they shouldn't, evaluate their own looks too highly, etc. I am saying they will most often show no visible signs and have no physical impediment. In addition to the literature on it, it is common sense experience. Couples routinely go out to dinner, split a bottle of wine and maybe even have a drink before dinner or after and show absolutely no physical impediment and are easily in that BAC range. You seem to be acting like folks with a .05 are stumbling, mumbling drunks.




No where did I say .05 was stumbling/mumbling drunks. If you could highlight where I said that please do so. Also while you are at it post all your resources that would support that 0.056 which is what Brown was shows no impairment for most people.

Also your drinks per hour seem to be off a bit which may be part of the issue. Two glasses of wine in a hour for 140ish person is around .03 200 lbs would be .02 three drinks in 2 hours the numbers stay around the same.

2012Champs
01-09-2013, 08:51 AM
BS,

Three beers/drinks in an hr =impaired=LOL for most people, let alone a 260 lb man who is used to drinking.



That would be around .03 not .056 4 beers would still be under or around .05 however if you drink often you process alcohol more efficiently than those who don't. That's why I said trying to figure how many drinks were consumed is almost impossible.

CloakNNNdagger
01-09-2013, 12:19 PM
In this and other thread, we’ve spoken about drinking and its effects. I just wanted to bring up some additional info as relates to “size” of an involved individual.

There is a deeply ingrained misconception about a large person, such as Brent always being able to drink more than a smaller person before exhibiting the effects of alcohol, or the level of effect, as well as how long the effects can last.

Yes, there will be some difference based on the total volume of blood in a small vs large person, and therefore some ability to dilute the alcohol somewhat in the larger person....not much of a factor when comparing a 200 pounder to a 300 pounder.

BUT

Body fat content is a commonly overlooked major factor in inebriation and length of inebriation. Body fat doesn’t absorb alcohol. Therefore a person with higher body fat is going to have a higher BAC than a person who has less body fat. Since body fat cannot absorb alcohol, it instead forces the alcohol to remain in the bloodstream until the liver can break it down. The liver can only break down about one alcoholic drink per hour. The longer the alcohol remains in a person’s bloodstream, the longer they will feel inebriated.

Women tend to have a higher BAC than men do. This is because women have a higher percentage of body fat and a smaller amount of an enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase that helps break down alcohol. Women also have less blood than men do because they are usually smaller in size.

Tolerance for alcohol seemed a lot higher when you are 21. The longer it took the inevitably feel the affects of alcohol, the more alcohol you probably consumed. Body fat tends to increase with age and enzyme action tends to slow down as a person gets older. And, again, body fat doesn’t absorb alcohol and the more body fat a person has, the higher their BAC will be and the more and longer he stays inebriated.

Also, as an aside, if a person is stressed or angry, they are likely to have a higher BAC than a person who is calm. When a person is under stress or is upset, their body tends to divert blood away from the stomach and small intestines, and instead moves it to the muscles. The reduced blood flow slows down the absorption of alcohol into the bloodstream. The angry or stressed person might not feel the affects of the alcohol immediately and continue drinking. As soon as the person calms down and the blood flow returns to the stomach, the person could experience a sudden increase in their BAC.

Playoffs
01-09-2013, 12:55 PM
I just wanted to bring up some additional info...
Great info, Doc. (If I hadn't just repped you in the other thread I'd rep you on this.)

And to add some empirical variability, I've known a few men & women who showed significant affects from just over one drink: slurred speech, repeating themselves, wobbly.

Regardless, the general consensus is at .056 judgment and self-control are reduced, and caution, reason and memory are impaired. The young man made a bad decision to get in the car with his friend -- one he may not have chosen had he not been drinking that night.

2012Champs
01-09-2013, 02:07 PM
In this and other thread, we’ve spoken about drinking and its effects. I just wanted to bring up some additional info as relates to “size” of an involved individual.

There is a deeply ingrained misconception about a large person, such as Brent always being able to drink more than a smaller person before exhibiting the effects of alcohol, or the level of effect, as well as how long the effects can last.

Yes, there will be some difference based on the total volume of blood in a small vs large person, and therefore some ability to dilute the alcohol somewhat in the larger person....not much of a factor when comparing a 200 pounder to a 300 pounder.

BUT

Body fat content is a commonly overlooked major factor in inebriation and length of inebriation. Body fat doesn’t absorb alcohol. Therefore a person with higher body fat is going to have a higher BAC than a person who has less body fat. Since body fat cannot absorb alcohol, it instead forces the alcohol to remain in the bloodstream until the liver can break it down. The liver can only break down about one alcoholic drink per hour. The longer the alcohol remains in a person’s bloodstream, the longer they will feel inebriated.

Women tend to have a higher BAC than men do. This is because women have a higher percentage of body fat and a smaller amount of an enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase that helps break down alcohol. Women also have less blood than men do because they are usually smaller in size.

Tolerance for alcohol seemed a lot higher when you are 21. The longer it took the inevitably feel the affects of alcohol, the more alcohol you probably consumed. Body fat tends to increase with age and enzyme action tends to slow down as a person gets older. And, again, body fat doesn’t absorb alcohol and the more body fat a person has, the higher their BAC will be and the more and longer he stays inebriated.

Also, as an aside, if a person is stressed or angry, they are likely to have a higher BAC than a person who is calm. When a person is under stress or is upset, their body tends to divert blood away from the stomach and small intestines, and instead moves it to the muscles. The reduced blood flow slows down the absorption of alcohol into the bloodstream. The angry or stressed person might not feel the affects of the alcohol immediately and continue drinking. As soon as the person calms down and the blood flow returns to the stomach, the person could experience a sudden increase in their BAC.



Good info and it makes a lot of sense

2012Champs
01-09-2013, 02:12 PM
Great info, Doc. (If I hadn't just repped you in the other thread I'd rep you on this.)

And to add some empirical variability, I've known a few men & women who showed significant affects from just over one drink: slurred speech, repeating themselves, wobbly.

Regardless, the general consensus is at .056 judgment and self-control are reduced, and caution, reason and memory are impaired. The young man made a bad decision to get in the car with his friend -- one he may not have chosen had he not been drinking that night.



It does impact everyone differently. You can certainly be highly impaired arrested and convicted of dwi and still be under 0.08. To say most people arent impaired at all at 0.5 is silly imo but Mr Brown certainly showed some impairment that night as you point out that he may not have otherwise

CloakNNNdagger
02-21-2013, 08:52 AM
Any empathy that one would have been left for Brent's plight should just disapper with this latest released bit of information...........Brent was travelling between 110 and 134 mph at the time of the crash.

Documents: Brent Was SpeedingBefore Fatal Crash

According to the documents, Brent was going at a minimum of 110 mph down Highway 114. The report said he may have gone as fast as 134 mph at points.

At least three different surveillance cameras at a nearby Dallas Area Rapid Transit station captured the car, according to the documents. Investigators said the cameras recorded Brent going through a green light at Tom Braniff Drive.

Two 911 calls were made from the car. In one, clicking sounds from the car's flashers are all that can be heard.

NBC 5 has obtained a timeline of what happened Dec. 7:

11:15 p.m.: Brent and some teammates were at Eddie V’s in the Oak Lawn section of Dallas.
1 a.m.: According to witnesses, Brent was at Beamers Nightclub.
2:15 a.m.: Surveillance cameras from the club show Brent driving away.
2:19 a.m.: DART cameras capture Brent's car driving down Highway 114.
2:19 a.m.: A 911 call was made automatically from the in-car phone.
2:21 a.m.: The first passer-by calls 911.link (http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Documents-Brent-Was-Speeding-Before-Fatal-Crash-191903731.html)

Heath Shuler
06-06-2013, 06:36 PM
Prosecutors say Cowboys DT Josh Brent has tested positive for marijuana while awaiting trial for a deadly car crash. Seriously?

@AdamSchefter

badboy
06-07-2013, 10:05 AM
@AdamSchefter

Probably stressed about the trial and needed to mellow.

Playoffs
06-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Probably stressed about the trial and needed to mellow.

Yep, just dabbling in some of that none habit forming marijuana ..... and likely lost his freedom. :truck:

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2013, 11:04 AM
Prosecutors said in their motion that Brent failed a urine test taken after a May 24 court hearing in which they had sought for his bond to be revoked due to problems with his alcohol monitoring. While the judge declined to do so, he did order Brent to provide a urine sample.

A hearing on the prosecutors' motion had not been scheduled Thursday afternoon. Brent's attorney, George Milner, did not immediately return a phone message and a spokeswoman for the Dallas County district attorney declined to comment.

Brent is required to wear an alcohol ankle monitor and appear for regular meetings with a county officer. Judge Robert Burns last month ordered a second form of monitoring to take breath samples, and for Brent to provide the sample after the hearing.

The prosecutors' motion said the test results indicate Brent took marijuana within 30 days of the test date and it did not appear the exposure to marijuana was second-hand.

"Given the defendant's prior alcohol-related contacts and the severity of the charge in this case, it is the State's belief that the defendant continues to pose a threat to the community," prosecutors said in the motion.link (http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/9349881/dallas-cowboys-josh-brent-tests-positive-marijuana)


http://www.toonpool.com/user/589/files/idiot_wanted_967265.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
07-02-2013, 07:32 PM
Another graduate of the NFL School for the Stupid...........

Brent has been thrown in jail for failing to comply with the terms of his bond. Imagine that, they insisted that he not smoke marijuana prior to his trial set for September.............

CloakNNNdagger
07-18-2013, 02:35 PM
Full-time NFL player to full-time paralegal...............

Mike GarafoloVerified account ‏@MikeGarafolo

Filing to @FoxSports: Cowboys DL Josh Brent to retire to focus on off-field issues. More coming.


10:43 AM - 18 Jul 13

paycheck71
07-18-2013, 06:36 PM
The only way this "retirement" makes any sense is that the Cowboys get to keep the NFL rights to him if at some point his legal troubles are over and he can play football again.

2012Champs
01-13-2014, 12:50 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10286301/trial-josh-brent-former-dallas-cowboy-begins


well its certainly a defense strat when you have nothing else I guess



DALLAS -- Former Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle Josh Brent was not drunk, as police contend, when he wrecked his Mercedes in a crash that killed a teammate, Brent's lawyer told jurors Monday during his opening statement at Brent's trial.

Brent is charged with intoxication manslaughter in the December 2012 death of his friend and former college teammate, Jerry Brown, who had made the Cowboys' practice squad that season. If convicted of that charge or of manslaughter, Brent faces up to 20 years in prison.

Police in the Dallas suburb of Irving say blood tests showed that Brent's blood-alcohol content was more than twice the legal limit after the crash. But Brent's lawyer, George Milner, signaled that he will try to undermine the state's assertions that Brent was too drunk to drive on the night of the crash.

Milner argued that the tall, lumbering Brent, who was a 320-pound lineman when he played for the Cowboys, could drink more than the average person without becoming intoxicated.

"Josh Brent is as big as a house," Milner said. "He's got a heart -- better yet a mind -- of a person much younger than he really is."

Milner also argued that no person could have passed a field sobriety test after the fiery wreck.

"He is guilty of being stupid behind the wheel of a car," Milner said. "He is guilty of driving too fast."

Prosecutor Heath Harris described how dash cam video would show Brent failing a field sobriety test after the wreck in suburban Dallas. Harris said receipts would prove that Brent purchased cocktails with several shots of liquor in them and three bottles of Champagne at a night club.

"This is not a difficult case, ladies and gentlemen," Harris said. "There will be no disputing the fact that he was drinking that night."

Brent's attorney has argued his client deserves probation, and Brown's mother says she has forgiven her son's college teammate and friend. But prosecutors have made Brent's case a priority, and it comes on the heels of another well-publicized case in neighboring Tarrant County in which a teenage driver was sentenced to probation in a drunken crash that killed four people.

Brent and Brown were close friends and former teammates at the University of Illinois. Brent was a defensive tackle who had played in all 12 games of the 2012 NFL season. He would retire in July.

Brown was a linebacker who had been signed to the Cowboys' practice squad that season.

The prosecution showed photos of Brown to the jury, which was seated last week, and described his passion for the game.

"All Jerry ever wanted to do was play football," Harris said.

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 05:38 PM
Jennifer Emily ‏@dallascourts
#JoshBrent eligible for probation if jury gives him 10 years or less and jury recommends it to judge after intox manslaughter conviction.

#JoshBrent faces up to 20 years in prison for intox manslaughter conviction. Also probation eligible. Jury going home after night in hotel.

Former Dallas Cowboy Josh Brent was found guilty of intoxication manslaughter and taken into custody.

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 02:44 PM
Josh Brent sentenced to 180 days in jail, 10 years of probation (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317453/article/josh-brent-sentenced-to-180-days-in-jail-10-years-of-probation)

Pretty amazing. 2nd DWI & killed a guy.

I know guys who've served that for 2nd/3rd misdemeanor DWI with no accidents/injuries/wrong ways/etc.

Mr teX
01-24-2014, 02:46 PM
Josh Brent sentenced to 180 days in jail, 10 years of probation (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317453/article/josh-brent-sentenced-to-180-days-in-jail-10-years-of-probation)

Pretty amazing. 2nd DWI & killed a guy.

I know guys who've served that for 2nd/3rd misdemeanor DWI with no accidents/injuries/wrong ways/etc.

This is a joke....this dude needs to be doing a minimum of 10 years in prison for what he did...

ArlingtonTexan
01-26-2014, 01:18 PM
This is a joke....this dude needs to be doing a minimum of 10 years in prison for what he did...

Can't find the link at the moment, but pretty much every other dude in Dallas county who committed the same crime, got double digit years in prison over the last handful of years.

WolverineFan
01-26-2014, 01:25 PM
Can't find the link at the moment, but pretty much every other dude in Dallas county who committed the same crime, got double digit years in prison over the last handful of years.

Did they play for the Cowboys?

It's no wonder so many athletes do such stupid things. Even when they screw up they tend to get away with it.

ArlingtonTexan
01-26-2014, 01:39 PM
Did they play for the Cowboys?

It's no wonder so many athletes do such stupid things. Even when they screw up they tend to get away with it.

Well, of course, not. I still find it funny the "outrage" the some of the moralist have over a guy like Sherman, but really ignore/remain silent over an actual guy who has endangered(still can) society.

WolverineFan
01-26-2014, 05:29 PM
Well, of course, not. I still find it funny the "outrage" the some of the moralist have over a guy like Sherman, but really ignore/remain silent over an actual guy who has endangered(still can) society.

Agreed. I thought the Sherman thing was hilarious. I love to see guys show a little pride and emotion. I had no problem with his outburst. I actually thought he made a great point when he addressed it the next day. Those hockey players lined up to fight before the puck was dropped and we all knew it. But Sherman opens his mouth and he's the thug....

ArlingtonTexan
01-27-2014, 03:36 PM
Can't find the link at the moment, but pretty much every other dude in Dallas county who committed the same crime, got double digit years in prison over the last handful of years.

The numbers were 10 other manslaughter. Dui conviction in dallas county in yhe last year 10 prison sentences average of 15 year sentences

CloakNNNdagger
06-04-2014, 10:15 AM
Stephen Jones won’t rule out Josh Brent’s return to Cowboys (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/03/stephen-jones-wont-rule-out-josh-brents-return-to-cowboys/)
June 3, 2014, 4:31 PM EDT


Josh Brent is set to be released from prison in the coming weeks after serving the 180-day sentence handed down after his conviction on intoxication manslaughter charges related to the drunk-driving accident in 2012 that killed his Cowboys teammate Jerry Brown.

Brent retired from the Cowboys last July, although there’s some reason to believe he did that to avoid a suspension from the league. That suspension may still come, but the team still has his rights and executive vice president Stephen Jones said Tuesday that the team won’t rule out Brent’s return.

“The league will have a big say in when he can come back, but we’ll certainly evaluate that situation when it comes,” Jones said, via Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com. “I certainly wouldn’t rule it out.”

Brent has not played since December 2012 and the Cowboys defense has changed it’s shape since that time. Whether or not Brent fits with a team that needs help on the defensive line is a secondary question to the one of whether the league will allow him to try to provide it.

Per Watkins, both the team and Brent’s agent Peter Schaffer have been in contact with the league, but no decision about further discipline has been made. Brent also was sentenced to 10 years probation when convicted and would face a 10-year prison term if he violates it.

:chef:::stirpot::dontknowa:dontknowa

Playoffs
06-15-2014, 08:51 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Former Cowboy Josh Brent, convicted of intoxication manslaughter for Dec. 2012 crash that killed Jerry Brown, was released from jail today.