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thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 08:11 AM
What's it going to take for you to go "Full Homer"?

You know, remove all doubt about who these guys are? Truly support them through thick & thin? Stop nit-picking every small detail?

I ask, because on 790 they just did a little thing about, "What it will mean if the Texans beat New England?" & I just read SheTexans' post in the MNF Predictions thread, where she predicts a 21 point blow out.

This is all kind of surreal. I just read that & I hear Josh (??) saying if the Texans won, you're going to wake up Tuesday with no doubt in your mind that we're going to the Super Bowl. Thinking about it, I think he's right. Especially if it's by 21 points. There will be no doubt in my mind. You can question our defense, our QB, our Vegan, the right side of the line, our HC... none of that will mean anything to me no matter how valid your points.

We blow out the Patriots, I'm going "Full Homer"

:texan:

Thorn
12-07-2012, 08:15 AM
Bill Clinton says that depends on what Full Homer is. :lol:

If the Texans beat the Patsies by 21 points, this board will blow up and everyone here will be in full home mode.

htownfan32
12-07-2012, 08:44 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E8xCPlIYoFQ/SwOMlA7h7eI/AAAAAAAAAtM/pKQ2yo1whcI/s1600/homer.jpg

Lots of donuts?

No, really... any kind of victory over the Pats will convince me we are bound for the big show. If it's close, that means this team has the guts to pull out ugly, close victories. If it's a blowout... well, we're simply that good.

Either way, we'll all be overdosing on the :koolaid: if we win.

Rey
12-07-2012, 09:58 AM
Seems like you are basically saying when will you ignore shortcomings and just say screw it, we're going to win...

Well I do that every time the Texans play. Otherwise I probably wouldn't watch.

Exascor
12-07-2012, 10:23 AM
Sadly, I am so beat down from years of watching the Oilers fail following by more years of Texans fail that only one thing will make me catch the complete homer bug. Texans Superbowl victory #1.

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 10:27 AM
Seems like you are basically saying when will you ignore shortcomings and just say screw it, we're going to win...

Well I do that every time the Texans play. Otherwise I probably wouldn't watch.

"Ignore" is such an ugly word. I'm just saying, when will you stop worrying? We'll have our problems, all teams do. But if they beat the Patriots by 21, I'm not worrying anymore. I'll be confident we've got the right group of guys, coaches, etc... handling their business like they should.

badboy
12-07-2012, 10:36 AM
Seems like you are basically saying when will you ignore shortcomings and just say screw it, we're going to win...

Well I do that every time the Texans play. Otherwise I probably wouldn't watch.Exactly, but I'm beginning to realize that fans watch for different reasons. You are aware of my posts about quality of play versus Ws. I think it may go back to how criticism is defined, attacking or constructive. I can be satisfied with my team and still recognize issues. I think many fan conversations go like this BB: "How about those Texans?" Other person "Yeah great win." BB: "did you see Schaub look off that defender, check down to the TE and then sense the blitz getting past his right side blockers? He took off to his left and found Walter coming back to help." Other: "Yeah. er great win."

When I ran ONE BADBOY against other boats, I constantly kept it tuned and adjusted boost and prop, etc. When I discussed races with Art Denick (owner of American Offshore) we talked little about his trophies or MPH but how the boat ran and how to make it better.

TexanSam
12-07-2012, 10:39 AM
I can't ever become a full homer. Any given Sunday any NFL team could lose. The Pats went 16-0 and lost.

Double Barrel
12-07-2012, 10:47 AM
What's it going to take for you to go "Full Homer"?

You know, remove all doubt about who these guys are? Truly support them through thick & thin? Stop nit-picking every small detail?


Super Bowl for me.

Just making the playoffs is not enough.

Just winning a playoff game is not enough.

Just getting to the AFC championship is not enough.

They have to do what no Houston football has ever done, and that's be in a Super Bowl. Only then would my sub-conscience let go of the past so I could be "full homer".

Until then I'm rabid fanatic that loves the team and who thinks we can win every game but still has some ingrained doubts.

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 11:13 AM
I can't ever become a full homer. Any given Sunday any NFL team could lose. The Pats went 16-0 and lost.

You bring up the Pats & that may be a good example. They know they've got issues, but they have faith in their organization to bring the Ws home anyway. Not that they are going to win every game. They might lose Monday, but still feel they have a better than good shot at winning it all.

But I hear ya, some people are just like that.

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/c64.26.322.322/s160x160/545736_219091141527527_1423588758_n.jpg

You never go full homer!!

TexanSam
12-07-2012, 11:17 AM
You bring up the Pats & that may be a good example. They know they've got issues, but they have faith in their organization to bring the Ws home anyway. Not that they are going to win every game. They might lose Monday, but still feel they have a better than good shot at winning it all.

But I hear ya, some people are just like that.

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/c64.26.322.322/s160x160/545736_219091141527527_1423588758_n.jpg

You never go full homer!!

I have faith the Texans can win every Sunday now. I just can't become the type of fan who thinks the Texans can and should do no wrong. That picture puts in nicely lol.

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 11:21 AM
I just can't become the type of fan who thinks the Texans can and should do no wrong.

Understandable

EllisUnit
12-07-2012, 11:43 AM
I've been full homer since 2002 :gun:

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 11:47 AM
I've been full homer since 2002 :gun:

Not that there's anything wrong with that

Thorn
12-07-2012, 12:23 PM
Super Bowl for me.

Just making the playoffs is not enough.

Just winning a playoff game is not enough.

Just getting to the AFC championship is not enough.

They have to do what no Houston football has ever done, and that's be in a Super Bowl. Only then would my sub-conscience let go of the past so I could be "full homer".

Until then I'm rabid fanatic that loves the team and who thinks we can win every game but still has some ingrained doubts.


Wow. This describes me as well.

ThaShark316
12-07-2012, 12:26 PM
I said Super Bowl before the season.

That said, when Walter caught a bomb from Schaub at Denver, I said out loud: "Get the luggage, we goin' to New Orleans."

You can't tell me otherwise until WE DON'T go. I guess this is why my hype for hyped games are a bit subdued. Nothing about these games are going to change my mind.

Joe Texan
12-07-2012, 12:30 PM
I have been full Homer since 1998. Lets go Texans blow them out beat them buy a point I AM YOUR HOMER

TD
12-07-2012, 12:36 PM
Super Bowl for me.

Just making the playoffs is not enough.

Just winning a playoff game is not enough.

Just getting to the AFC championship is not enough.

They have to do what no Houston football has ever done, and that's be in a Super Bowl. Only then would my sub-conscience let go of the past so I could be "full homer".

Until then I'm rabid fanatic that loves the team and who thinks we can win every game but still has some ingrained doubts.

Ditto. I imagine there is direct correlation between the number of years as a Houston sports fan and the amount of doubt of actually delivering in the end. Sometimes its fun watching the young guys get so excited about our "inevitable" Super Bowl trip, but in the back of my mind I am shaking my head thinking "been there, done that, got the broken heart"

GP
12-07-2012, 12:37 PM
I can never be a full homer. I will leave that to the fans who have literally imprinted the Texans upon their DNA code. The people like Joe and SheTexan and others who are full-on, 24/7, no expenses spared Texans fans.

I'm a guy living 8 hours away who watches games and posts on the board.

For me, yeah "There's no other team BUT this team," but yet I still have times when I get pessimistic and I get irritated and a bit cynical of the Texans organization.

If we beat New England, it won't mean much if we drop our final three games afterward and other AFC teams win out. So, IMO, a win at New England tells me that this team is the pick to go to the SB and win it all.

Yet that still carries a tone of healthy skepticism because you can finish 15-1 and lose in the playoffs and you're not going to be world champ of the world. 1-0 every week, just like they started saying last year...like they said in the off-season, in camp, in preseason, and all through this reg season. 1-0 EACH WEEK.

I sometimes actually think it'd be better to lose this game and then win out, because 14-2 still gets us the HFA throughout. Sometimes losing one, then getting your swagger on for the rest of the way is a goods thing.

But then again, LOL, 15-1 is saying something special too!

eriadoc
12-07-2012, 12:44 PM
Well, I kind of think of myself as a homer anyway. So I don't really know what that means. But if you mean completely ignore their shortcomings, then I'll go full homer when they have no shortcomings. Now, recognizing their shortcomings does not affect my fandom in any way. I still cheer/scream/whoop/wail/teethgnash with every high and low during the game.

I think the Patriots during the 2nd and 3rd SB wins last decade were the closest thing to a flawless team that we've seen since the early '90s Cowboys. It's just much harder to build a team like that, so I don't think we'll see that too often. I think this year's Texans are one of about 4 teams that should be favored to win the Super Bowl. That's never happened before, so I'm enjoying it.

Double Barrel
12-07-2012, 12:45 PM
Ditto. I imagine there is direct correlation between the number of years as a Houston sports fan and the amount of doubt of actually delivering in the end. Sometimes its fun watching the young guys get so excited about our "inevitable" Super Bowl trip, but in the back of my mind I am shaking my head thinking "been there, done that, got the broken heart"

Straight up description of my feelings, as well. I do believe the correlation exists. The older we are and the more exposure to Houston's five decades of pro football, the higher probability exists of cynicism and a prove-it-to-me-first attitude.

infantrycak hit the nail on the head awhile back. He grew up a Cowboys fan, and because of their success in the 1970's, he always had an attitude that his team could come back regardless of the score.

Lifelong Houston fans, on the other hand, have been conditioned that no lead is to to big to be deemed "safe".

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 12:51 PM
Well, I kind of think of myself as a homer anyway. So I don't really know what that means. But if you mean completely ignore their shortcomings, then I'll go full homer when they have no shortcomings. Now, recognizing their shortcomings does not affect my fandom in any way. I still cheer/scream/whoop/wail/teethgnash with every high and low during the game.


It's not about ignoring their shortcomings. Know they are there, but trust the group that we have to fix it, or to win games despite it.

eriadoc
12-07-2012, 01:12 PM
It's not about ignoring their shortcomings. Know they are there, but trust the group that we have to fix it, or to win games despite it.

Oh. Well that's not happening as long as we have Kubiak as head coach, most likely. I just don't trust him in some situations. He's spent 6.5 years earning that distrust, so I reckon it'll take a while for me to lose it.

I do trust most of our players to win despite him now.

GP
12-07-2012, 01:26 PM
Oh. Well that's not happening as long as we have Kubiak as head coach, most likely. I just don't trust him in some situations. He's spent 6.5 years earning that distrust, so I reckon it'll take a while for me to lose it.

I do trust most of our players to win despite him now.

Co-signed. It is what it is.

SheTexan
12-07-2012, 01:43 PM
Well, since I posted that this morning, I'm sticking with it this afternoon! Still got that "gut" feeling we're gonna OWN this game! Don't know why, just some more of my "homerism" coming out!:texflag:

BTW: I PROUD to call myself a HOMER! I've been passionate about this team LONG before they were called the TEXANS!! Just like anything else in life, ya have your ups and downs, good days and bad, but ya hang in there none the less and keep on truckin!! I became a DIEHARD HOMER for this team in August of 2002 when I watched the boys in Steel Blue, Liberty White, and Battle Red run on the field in Canton, Ohio for the very first time. I stood there with tears running down my face and knew right then and there that I'd pull for them until the day I die. I truly can't explain the feeling, other than that feeling of being a TRUE homer!! We've been through some tough times, but, here we are, riding a potential wave to greatness, and I've never fallen off the wagon!! Sure, I want a SB just as much as the next person, esp since I'm OLD and I've waited for it for so long, but, win or lose, I'm a homer for life!!

Trail.Blazr
12-07-2012, 02:11 PM
What's it going to take for you to go "Full Homer"?

You know, remove all doubt about who these guys are? Truly support them through thick & thin? Stop nit-picking every small detail?

We blow out the Patriots, I'm going "Full Homer"

:texan:

Homer? yes!
Full Homer? no.

I think a Homer can have doubts, yet still support through thick and thin, and even nit-pick some. I don't think you can NOT have doubts.

Houston, IMHO matches up similarly to N.E. as they do Detroit. So, if you agree with that, then let me ask you, with a blow out the Patriots, you wondering who the F#*% you saw on Thankgiving Day?

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 02:18 PM
Houston, IMHO matches up similarly to N.E. as they do Detroit. So, if you agree with that, then let me ask you, with a blow out the Patriots, you wondering who the F#*% you saw on Thankgiving Day?

I saw Andre Johnson bring in 9 catches for 188 yards.

But I know what you mean. I write that game off as the Lions were desperate. That game was it. They lose, any hope they may have had for the post season was gone. Then it's not like the Lions are chopped liver. They're young & they find ways to lose. But they've also got the #2 offense in the league.... sounds like a team we used to know.

sandman
12-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Some people are lower loop types, that no matter what are always going to focus on the black speck on the white wall. And it's not about refusing to turn a blind eye. It's not about being able to have a conversation that recognizes the opportunities while rejoicing in the success. It's about the need to always be The Guy who feels compelled to fixate on everything that is not done perfectly. Like it validates their football analytical abilities or allows them to look down their nose at those who don't hold their team to a higher standard.

This team has a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense. No, the O-line does not look as sharp as it did last year, especially the right side. No, the DB's haven't looked All World with Joseph being out. No, the running game hasn't been as powerful with Tate out and overusing Foster. No, the decimated LB corps is not making up for Cush being out.

All that being said, this team is 11-1, and more importantly, 3-1 against AFC teams at the top of their divisions. And name me ONE of the teams that we are battling against in the AFC that does not have some glaring weakness of their own.

The Ravens offense is inconsistent at best and has been in games because of their defense. The Pats defense is suspect at best and is constantly bailed out by their offense. The Broncos run game is one yard away per game from being in the lower third of the league. The Ravens and Pats are 25th and 26th in the league on yards allowed. The Broncos 8-game win streak? The combined records of their opponents in wins this year have been 44-78, with only two teams having a winning record (Bengals and Steelers) and six opponents that have 4 wins or less on the season. Their three losses? To teams that are a combined 31-5. The Pats are 1-3 in games decided by 3 points or less, and the one win was in OT. The Ravens have had seven of their twelve games decided by three points or less.

And yet... all three of these teams have three losses while the Texans only have one. And the Texans are 2-0 against these teams.

But, but, but... Gary makes coaching mistakes and Matt makes QB mistakes and the DB's make coverage mistakes and the 2-14 from HWSNBN and Don Capers and Kubiak did something wrong in 2007, so we can't take any pleasure in the great run our team is having THIS YEAR because everything has not been PERFECT since the 19-17 Cowboys game...

EllisUnit
12-07-2012, 04:16 PM
I can never be a full homer. I will leave that to the fans who have literally imprinted the Texans upon their DNA code. The people like Joe and SheTexan and others who are full-on, 24/7, no expenses spared Texans fans.

I'm a guy living 8 hours away who watches games and posts on the board.

For me, yeah "There's no other team BUT this team," but yet I still have times when I get pessimistic and I get irritated and a bit cynical of the Texans organization.

If we beat New England, it won't mean much if we drop our final three games afterward and other AFC teams win out. So, IMO, a win at New England tells me that this team is the pick to go to the SB and win it all.

Yet that still carries a tone of healthy skepticism because you can finish 15-1 and lose in the playoffs and you're not going to be world champ of the world. 1-0 every week, just like they started saying last year...like they said in the off-season, in camp, in preseason, and all through this reg season. 1-0 EACH WEEK.

I sometimes actually think it'd be better to lose this game and then win out, because 14-2 still gets us the HFA throughout. Sometimes losing one, then getting your swagger on for the rest of the way is a goods thing.

But then again, LOL, 15-1 is saying something special too!

Let me give a short version to why I am NOW such a homer and dedicated fan. I watched the first 2002 game against the cowboys with my dad, he became a texans fan after that game just like me. In 2005 he committed suicide, so now the texans are one of the only ways I still feel connected to him. Might be dumb but every time I see them play I feel like he's there and I love that feeling. So there you have it, that's why I am such a big homer win or lose. Cause to me its more than about the product on the field but more about what it stands for.

alphajoker
12-07-2012, 05:45 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KffYkJg3IEc/T0-giatVn5I/AAAAAAAAAZs/42LtH3Onm1g/s320/went_full_retard.jpg

YOU NEVER GO FULL HOMER MAN

TheMatrix31
12-07-2012, 06:40 PM
I'll never go "full homer" because that's not the way I root for sports teams.

Let's try to minimize the "homer", we don't want to turn into the typical unlikeable fanbases.

kiwitexansfan
12-07-2012, 06:58 PM
:trophy:

In the trophy case.

I will always support the Texans no matter what 16-0 or 0-16.

To be sold out on this team as being the best and have no doubt about that, we'll need the hardware.

TexansFanatic
12-07-2012, 09:17 PM
Sadly, I am so beat down from years of watching the Oilers fail following by more years of Texans fail that only one thing will make me catch the complete homer bug. Texans Superbowl victory #1.

Yep. Same here.

TexanBacker93
12-08-2012, 01:12 AM
Homer? yes!
Full Homer? no.

I think a Homer can have doubts, yet still support through thick and thin, and even nit-pick some. I don't think you can NOT have doubts.

Houston, IMHO matches up similarly to N.E. as they do Detroit. So, if you agree with that, then let me ask you, with a blow out the Patriots, you wondering who the F#*% you saw on Thankgiving Day?

I think you could have the Texans and Patriots play 10 games in 10 weeks and it could end up 5-5 with each team winning in various ways. Heck, you could probably do that with a lot of teams. Anything can happen in a single game. A great team can be out of sync. A poor team can play like they're champions. In our 2nd season we beat Carolina and took the Pats to overtime. Those were the 2 Super Bowl participants. Were the Texans as good as those teams? I don't think so, but for those 2 games we were.

Any given Sunday.

That being said, my gut says we beat the Patriots on Monday. I don't think we win out, though. We lose the game on the road to the Colts, but still have HFA through the playoffs and use that to catapult us to the Big Easy.

I'm a homer, but I'll always nitpick a little. We could win the next 4 Super Bowls and in our first game in 2016 when Kubiak runs the ball on 3rd and 15 I'll still curse him. When our D gives up a long play on 3rd and long to keep a drive alive I'll still grumble. It's part of being an armchair QB/coach/GM. Blame Madden. We all think we could do a better job. Heck we'd be 12-0 if most of us ran the team. To me it's part of the game.

Everyone here is a fan. We revel in the wins and we hurt with the losses. It's about time we have a lot more of the former and less of the latter. The homers here deserve it.

rush2112mn
12-08-2012, 08:00 AM
Full Homer......what the hell.....sounds like something I saw in a simpsons episode once.....

yeah.....he was full of beer........ummm.....beer.......good.......

ThaShark316
12-08-2012, 03:01 PM
I always consider myself football fan 1st, Texans close 2nd.

Texans are MY TEAM, you know? I yell cheer, etc. We all are "full homers" to a point. Do we not yell when we make a huge play??

swyyyguy
12-08-2012, 03:22 PM
i'm a full homer when talking to my friends who are fans of other teams.

when i'm talking to fellow texans fans, i'm always so nervous...

76Texan
12-08-2012, 05:25 PM
Now you don't need to be a Homer to realize that the yard per game for the D is skewed by the two OT games.

Nitrofish
12-10-2012, 04:09 AM
I saw Andre Johnson bring in 9 catches for 188 yards.

But I know what you mean. I write that game off as the Lions were desperate. That game was it. They lose, any hope they may have had for the post season was gone. Then it's not like the Lions are chopped liver. They're young & they find ways to lose. But they've also got the #2 offense in the league.... sounds like a team we used to know.

I agree fully... The Lions are actually a really good team except one factor. No discipline. This is what causes them to lead an entire game, only to lose in the final minutes or seconds of the game, which was the same problem the Texans had up until a few years ago.

The thing that sticks in my mind the most about that game was the 4th Qtr 15 play, 97 yard drive to score the TD that sent the game into overtime. All of the momentum was on the Lions side after a great punt pinning the Texans on the 3. Yet the Texans calmly and confidently marched down the field and scored 7.

Not sure I could ever go full homer, because I would never want to sound like a large portion of the Patriots fan base!

TheMatrix31
12-10-2012, 07:48 AM
I always consider myself football fan 1st, Texans close 2nd.

Texans are MY TEAM, you know? I yell cheer, etc. We all are "full homers" to a point. Do we not yell when we make a huge play??

Yelling and cheering doesn't make you a homer at all, let alone a full homer. Being a full homer means you're oblivious and incapable of rational thought when it comes to your team. See Laker fans.

EllisUnit
12-10-2012, 07:51 AM
Yelling and cheering doesn't make you a homer at all, let alone a full homer. Being a full homer means you're oblivious and incapable of rational thought when it comes to your team. See Laker fans.

See 76 and KJ :jogger:.....just picking, but seriously :)

Double Barrel
12-10-2012, 05:58 PM
Yelling and cheering doesn't make you a homer at all, let alone a full homer. Being a full homer means you're oblivious and incapable of rational thought when it comes to your team. See Laker fans.

That's the way I was understanding the definition, as well.

I would be a lot more optimistic about the Texans if/when they win a Super Bowl, but that's because they proved they could do it and establishes a standard for future Texans teams.

But optimism =/= full homer. I don't think I could ever ignore the warts, and blinders give me a feeling of claustrophobia.

ObsiWan
12-10-2012, 06:38 PM
Yelling and cheering doesn't make you a homer at all, let alone a full homer. Being a full homer means you're oblivious and incapable of rational thought when it comes to your team. See Laker fans.

Now if that's the true definition - and the OP said that's not what he meant - then none of us will ever be "full Homers".