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Exascor
12-06-2012, 01:07 PM
So...let's play "what if". Assuming the Texans end up with one of the bottom 3-4 picks in the draft: If a "top" QB like Barkley drops unexpectedly like Aaron Rodgers did, should the Texans take him to groom for the future?

I like Matt Schaub so this isn't Matt Schaub hate. Rodgers backed up Favre for 3 years. Schaub will be 34 three years from now. Is it too early?

Dutchrudder
12-06-2012, 01:34 PM
I think it is one year too early to take a QB with a high draft pick, but if we were to do it this year, I would target Tyler Wilson. He's not ready to start in the NFL, and won't be for a couple years, but I think he could do really well in the long term. He has great arm strength, good footwork, and above average accuracy. I could see a team in the 10-25 range taking him as a project for the future. I don't know how high he will go, and he could fall to the 2nd round, but I'd like him for the cost and potential reward.

badboy
12-06-2012, 01:35 PM
I am going to say no especially as no QB in this draft excites me. I was big fan of Geno Smith but I think we are solid with what we have. I would not be shocked if Texans draft QB day three. We have too many needs versus QB.

thunderkyss
12-06-2012, 01:59 PM
I am going to say no especially as no QB in this draft excites me.

This & it depends on what Kubiak thinks of Yates & Keenum. I know they aren't of "starting NFL Pedigree" but you never know.

I also wouldn't compare this situation to GreenBays, they had a H.O.F.er starting ahead of them. If they knew he was going to play 2 maybe three years, they never would have drafted Rogers.

Even if something were to happen to Schaub next year, I think Kubiak can win with this team & his choice of Yates & Keenum. Giving us time to go up & get a QB & not panic and get a Locker/Gabbert just because we "have to have" a QB.

beerlover
12-06-2012, 02:23 PM
Only major injury would dictate a move like this in 2013 or if a Barkley drops in Kubiaks lap.

ChampionTexan
12-06-2012, 02:37 PM
If the Texans truly believe Barkley's capable of being a top 5 NFL QB, then they should do it. It would be along the lines of what the Packers did with Aaron Rodgers.

However, from everything I've heard, I don't think Barkley's that guy, and I'd be kind of disappointed if it shook out like that.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
12-06-2012, 03:19 PM
I'm pretty sure Kubes is going to wait 3 years club a few key players in the kneecaps, take a page out of the 2011 Colts playbook and tank. Once all is said and done he gets his Aggie - Manziel

El Tejano
12-06-2012, 04:02 PM
I ask myself the same question about the RB position if the kid from Stanford or Wisconsin are available. With Ben Tate not showing any endurance and with all the good first round worthy MLBs gone by then, it might not be a bad idea.

eriadoc
12-06-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm not a fan of Schaub. Yeah, I know, go ahead and throw tomatoes now. Whatever. I don't hate the guy and I'm not calling for his head. He's not a scrub, and he's good enough to win with. Therefore, he's good enough to pick and choose what QB you draft to succeed him. But I would love for them to get a guy late in the first round that represents value, a la Rodgers, and groom him for a couple years. I'd really like someone mobile with a big arm, similar to Cutler, but perhaps with a bit better mental makeup.

So while I'm asking for everything, can I please have a Lombardi trophy too? ;)

htownfan32
12-06-2012, 04:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Kubes is going to wait 3 years club a few key players in the kneecaps, take a page out of the 2011 Colts playbook and tank. Once all is said and done he gets his Aggie - Manziel

Don't say things like that, I may die of happiness :D

badboy
12-06-2012, 04:38 PM
I ask myself the same question about the RB position if the kid from Stanford or Wisconsin are available. With Ben Tate not showing any endurance and with all the good first round worthy MLBs gone by then, it might not be a bad idea.Good Rbs in later rounds.

infantrycak
12-06-2012, 04:50 PM
I think the Texans are in the perfect situation to hang loose and yes in their judgment use a 1st or 2nd round pick in the next 1-3 years and then pull a Green Bay and groom someone.

Schaub is effectively only signed through next season. The remaining seasons on his contract carry $1 mil per game roster bonuses. He will either restructure again or be gone.

badboy
12-06-2012, 04:54 PM
I think the Texans are in the perfect situation to hang loose and yes in their judgment use a 1st or 2nd round pick in the next 1-3 years and then pull a Green Bay and groom someone.

Schaub is effectively only signed through next season. The remaining seasons on his contract carry $1 mil per game roster bonuses. He will either restructure again or be gone.Yep, that is why I was so excited with his contract. '13 draft should set Texans up to go BPA after.

Playoffs
12-06-2012, 05:37 PM
I think it is one year too early to take a QB with a high draft pick...I think it's a year too late comparing draft classes. ;)

Wolf6151
12-07-2012, 02:14 AM
What would you guys think of taking Mike Glennon-QB from NC State in the 2nd round? I know he's currently listed as a 3rd round prospect but since QB is a premium position and we most likely will be picking at the very end of each round we'd have to take him in the 2nd. He's got the size teams drool over as well as good arm strength. NFLDraftScout says he needs to work on his upper and lower body mechanics but a couple years under Kubiak should do the trick. I don't know how mobile he is but it sounds like he's to the basics of the game and potential to be a good QB in the future.

thunderkyss
12-07-2012, 07:02 AM
What would you guys think of taking Mike Glennon-QB from NC State in the 2nd round? I know he's currently listed as a 3rd round prospect but since QB is a premium position and we most likely will be picking at the very end of each round we'd have to take him in the 2nd. He's got the size teams drool over as well as good arm strength. NFLDraftScout says he needs to work on his upper and lower body mechanics but a couple years under Kubiak should do the trick. I don't know how mobile he is but it sounds like he's to the basics of the game and potential to be a good QB in the future.

Do you project this guy to be a starter? Projected as a third rounder doesn't scream "STARTER", In what ways is he a better prospect than Yates?

htownfan32
12-07-2012, 08:01 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/381967/mike-glennon

I don't see that his stats justify a 2nd round pick. OL, WR, or OLB would probably be a better option in the second round.

rmartin65
12-07-2012, 08:18 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/381967/mike-glennon

I don't see that his stats justify a 2nd round pick. OL, WR, or OLB would probably be a better option in the second round.

No offense, but stat watching is a terrible way to scout players.

Nevertheless, I agree with your conclusion. He has a great arm and prototypical size, but he has sloppy footwork and has never "put it all together" on the field. He has starter potential, but he is a couple years away.

Furthermore, depending on the underclassmen that declare, he could be ranked as low as 12 (by my rankings) or 10 (NFLDRAFTSCOUT). Granted, these rankings are fluid, and will change by the time the draft rolls around, but even if you bump him up 2-4 spots, it still has him ranked between 6-8. Last year, 5 QBs were drafted in the 2nd- Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Weedon, Osweiler. Another two (Wilson, Foles) were drafted in the 3rd.

htownfan32
12-07-2012, 08:26 AM
No offense, but stat watching is a terrible way to scout players.

Nevertheless, I agree with your conclusion. He has a great arm and prototypical size, but he has sloppy footwork and has never "put it all together" on the field. He has starter potential, but he is a couple years away.

Furthermore, depending on the underclassmen that declare, he could be ranked as low as 12 (by my rankings) or 10 (NFLDRAFTSCOUT). Granted, these rankings are fluid, and will change by the time the draft rolls around, but even if you bump him up 2-4 spots, it still has him ranked between 6-8. Last year, 5 QBs were drafted in the 2nd- Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Weedon, Osweiler. Another two (Wilson, Foles) were drafted in the 3rd.

Yes, I'd agree with you there. Stats don't tell the whole story, but since I have no video of him playing, it's what I based my conclusions off of.

Either way, I really don't see us going QB in this draft. Weak class as compared to last year and I'm afraid to touch Barkley, who I think may fall enough, with a 10 foot pole.

NCTexan
12-07-2012, 10:05 AM
No offense, but stat watching is a terrible way to scout players.

Nevertheless, I agree with your conclusion. He has a great arm and prototypical size, but he has sloppy footwork and has never "put it all together" on the field. He has starter potential, but he is a couple years away.

Furthermore, depending on the underclassmen that declare, he could be ranked as low as 12 (by my rankings) or 10 (NFLDRAFTSCOUT). Granted, these rankings are fluid, and will change by the time the draft rolls around, but even if you bump him up 2-4 spots, it still has him ranked between 6-8. Last year, 5 QBs were drafted in the 2nd- Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Weedon, Osweiler. Another two (Wilson, Foles) were drafted in the 3rd.

As an ACC fan the one game that specifically stands out to me showing he is no where near ready was against UVa. Their defense isn't overly strong, and their secondary is extremely young. He threw 3 picks against them, and had an overall terrible day. I can only imagine as an NC State fan it was extremely painful to watch.

Dutchrudder
12-07-2012, 10:31 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/381967/mike-glennon

I don't see that his stats justify a 2nd round pick. OL, WR, or OLB would probably be a better option in the second round.

Well you obviously have the internet, so go to Youtube and type in his name and lots of videos of highlights will show up. This guy did beat a strong Florida State team, so there might be something to him.

htownfan32
12-07-2012, 01:50 PM
Point taken, but highlights are pick-and-choose... I'd prefer an entire game re-run. Does anyone know where to find entire games?

He also lost to an underwhelming Tennessee team, so... he could be worth looking at. But it's a big could, and I don't know if it'll translate into a 2nd round pick, necessarily.

Rey
12-07-2012, 01:57 PM
I have thought about this, and if a good young guy with a lot of upside is there with good physical attributes, I'd take him.

I can't believe people are saying no to that if something like that were to happen...

So you guys would have passed on Arron Rodgers if he were there?

I remember watching that draft and thinking how Green Bay just stole one...

Have the guy sit for 2 years and if he's better than Schaub at that time then so be it...

But it's only worth it if the coaches think this hypothetical player can be a true franchise guy.

Dutchrudder
12-07-2012, 02:15 PM
Point taken, but highlights are pick-and-choose... I'd prefer an entire game re-run. Does anyone know where to find entire games?

He also lost to an underwhelming Tennessee team, so... he could be worth looking at. But it's a big could, and I don't know if it'll translate into a 2nd round pick, necessarily.

There are lots of games that have been cut down to only his plays here:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mike+glennon+2012&oq=mike+glen&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3.0.35i39j0l3.604494.605596.0.606367.9.8.0 .0.0.0.207.891.4j3j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.yE7fxKNIM0s

He doesn't look all that impressive to me. His arm strength looks average to me, and his accuracy is inconsistent. His WRs do drop quite a few passes though, so his stats are lower than they should be. He seems to be good at going through progressions, but tries to force the ball into coverage more than I like to see. His protection looks average at best, so he is throwing under pressure a lot, which may skew his true abilities. I can see him developing better in the future, but I'm not sold on him. Given the Texans situation, I wouldn't think he is a much better prospect than TJ Yates, so I would say no to him before the 4th round.

htownfan32
12-07-2012, 02:21 PM
I agree with most of that, especially the pressure bit. From the UNC game, it looks like the pass rush is in his face really quickly...
Edit: God, his receivers drop balls like crazy
Edit: not very mobile in the pocket, imho

Rey
12-07-2012, 02:41 PM
There are lots of games that have been cut down to only his plays here:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mike+glennon+2012&oq=mike+glen&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3.0.35i39j0l3.604494.605596.0.606367.9.8.0 .0.0.0.207.891.4j3j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.yE7fxKNIM0s

He doesn't look all that impressive to me. His arm strength looks average to me, and his accuracy is inconsistent. His WRs do drop quite a few passes though, so his stats are lower than they should be. He seems to be good at going through progressions, but tries to force the ball into coverage more than I like to see. His protection looks average at best, so he is throwing under pressure a lot, which may skew his true abilities. I can see him developing better in the future, but I'm not sold on him. Given the Texans situation, I wouldn't think he is a much better prospect than TJ Yates, so I would say no to him before the 4th round.

I just watched a few plays and I stopped watching him...I agree with your post except I think Yates has a stronger arm and gets more zip on his passes...

mussop
12-08-2012, 02:29 AM
I would love to see us take a flyer on either of these guys.

Zach Dysart 6-3, 230 4.85 Miami-Ohio
Collin Klein 6-5, 225 4.75 Kansas State

I think both of them would fit this offense well. I'm just not sold on Yates.

htownfan32
12-08-2012, 05:22 AM
Collin Klein might go undrafted, and if so I wouldn't be opposed to signing him as UDFA. As far as a draft pick goes... idk. Going from spread to our offense would be a transition that I'm not sure he can make successfully.

beerlover
12-08-2012, 10:45 AM
Collin Klein might go undrafted, and if so I wouldn't be opposed to signing him as UDFA. As far as a draft pick goes... idk. Going from spread to our offense would be a transition that I'm not sure he can make successfully.

I really doubt that (undrafted). He is an elite athlete with size. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Texans used one of their compensatory picks on him. He is a roster spot buster. Back-up/developmental QB, slot WR/TE. High ceiling low risk, value is much higher than you think in the NFL.

rmartin65
12-08-2012, 11:25 AM
A couple unheralded prospects I like at the position-

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse (2nd Round)
Sean Renfree, Duke (5th Round)

The1ApplePie
12-08-2012, 12:04 PM
If Barkley is there, I think Kubes will do it.

No way he falls that far though.

I could see them taking a shot at Sanchez if he gets cut and isn't asking for much money.

thunderkyss
12-08-2012, 02:15 PM
He is a roster spot buster. Back-up/developmental QB, slot WR/TE. High ceiling low risk, value is much higher than you think in the NFL.

Don't know about a roster buster. We've got two of them on the roster now. Being that is the case & they both serve their purpose, back up if anything, I don't think we need to snatch any developmental QBs unless there is one there that makes Kubiak week in the knees.

In the meantime, I think we should focus on acquiring draft picks so that when that guy shows up (& it doesn't have to be a QB, any "special" player that will be gone before our late round draft pick) we'll have the capital required to move up & get him without sacrificing our future.

Dutchrudder
12-08-2012, 02:36 PM
I just watched a few plays and I stopped watching him...I agree with your post except I think Yates has a stronger arm and gets more zip on his passes...

Oh I didn't mean to compare him to Yates as far as attributes go, just their potential to be the Texans next franchise QB.

beerlover
12-08-2012, 03:58 PM
I'm very intrigued with Klein & what Kubiak can do with him in his system.

I also see a case where he can be another James Casey type of dual functional roles, except kick outside. Imagine the playbook expanding, very exciting stuff.

htownfan32
12-08-2012, 11:49 PM
A couple unheralded prospects I like at the position-

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse (2nd Round)
Sean Renfree, Duke (5th Round)

Would not at all be opposed to picking Ryan Nassib.