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Specnatz
12-05-2012, 06:43 PM
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Cal receiver Keenan Allen enters NFL draft http://wp.me/p14QSB-6BgP

htownfan32
12-05-2012, 09:39 PM
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Cal receiver Keenan Allen enters NFL draft http://wp.me/p14QSB-6BgP

Was he a junior? I thought this was pretty much a given...
If we traded up to get him (not going to happen) I might die of happiness. :splits:

EDIT: Read the link, yeah, junior.

badboy
12-06-2012, 12:37 PM
SHeldon Richardson got suspended and then declared also.

Specnatz
12-10-2012, 11:42 AM
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Marcus Lattimore enters NFL draft, may miss rookie year http://wp.me/p14QSB-6Cgq

htownfan32
12-10-2012, 11:47 AM
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Marcus Lattimore enters NFL draft, may miss rookie year http://wp.me/p14QSB-6Cgq

Do you think anyone will take a chance on him with a pick, or does he go UDFA?

Insideop
12-10-2012, 11:48 AM
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Marcus Lattimore enters NFL draft, may miss rookie year http://wp.me/p14QSB-6Cgq

Who would waste a draft pick on an injured RB and let him sit out a year for treatment? He'll probably be an UDFA.

rmartin65
12-10-2012, 12:14 PM
Do you think anyone will take a chance on him with a pick, or does he go UDFA?

Who would waste a draft pick on an injured RB and let him sit out a year for treatment? He'll probably be an UDFA.

I would, 5th round or later. Let's face it- the better our team gets, the less likely the late round picks make the team. Lattimore can be a top 5 back in the NFL, might as well roll the dice late.

Specnatz
12-10-2012, 12:32 PM
Do you think anyone will take a chance on him with a pick, or does he go UDFA?

Who would waste a draft pick on an injured RB and let him sit out a year for treatment? He'll probably be an UDFA.

It happens more than you think ...Michael Bush

Errant Hothy
12-10-2012, 12:35 PM
Who would waste a draft pick on an injured RB and let him sit out a year for treatment? He'll probably be an UDFA.

McGhee sat for close to a year as well if I remember correctly. Happens more often than you would think.

badboy
12-10-2012, 01:17 PM
I would, 5th round or later. Let's face it- the better our team gets, the less likely the late round picks make the team. Lattimore can be a top 5 back in the NFL, might as well roll the dice late.This. Lattimore could be worth the wait and could be a franchise type back. We could have as many as three round five selections.

Dutchrudder
12-10-2012, 01:27 PM
I would spend a late compensatory pick on the guy, 6/7th would be fine if he's there. The biggest issue I have with taking him is that he probably won't play next year and will waste 405k of capspace being on the PUP or IR list. If the team is cash strapped, it's probably not worth it to pick a guy who instantly wastes cap space for 2013.

rmartin65
12-10-2012, 01:28 PM
I would spend a late compensatory pick on the guy, 6/7th would be fine if he's there. The biggest issue I have with taking him is that he probably won't play next year and will waste 405k of capspace being on the PUP or IR list. If the team is cash strapped, it's probably not worth it to pick a guy who instantly wastes cap space for 2013.

But does he count against the cap if he is on IR? You are more into NFL/Team finance than I am, but I though players on IR dont count against the cap?

Dutchrudder
12-10-2012, 01:51 PM
But does he count against the cap if he is on IR? You are more into NFL/Team finance than I am, but I though players on IR dont count against the cap?

The only way they don't count against the cap is if they sign a "split" contract, which basically pays out up to X% of the money (specified in each contract) if the player goes on injured reserve. A couple of recent examples of this are Ryan Grant and Cedric Benson, both of which signed split deals with the Packers this season.

Per the report, the contract is for the veteran minimum of $825,000 and he will count only $540,000 against the salary cap because of the minimum salary benefit. More interesting is the split that would drop his contract to $393,000 if he lands on IR. Typically, teams only talk rookies and young unproven players into agreeing to splits. It could be the Packers made a hard stance.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-cedric-benson-split-contract-001013857--nfl.html

You may also remember that when the Texans were "trying" to re-sign Chester Pitts, one of the stipulations was that they wanted it to be a split deal. He wouldn't go for it and wound up with the Seahawks, and later on IR that season. The Texans this year also had split contracts with Kenyaron Fox and Rashon Harris iirc. Their cap hits for the year will depend on the amount specified as in the split, but I haven't seen it publicized. It's likely that they earned less than half the value of their contract's total.

Now I'm not sure if Lattimore would go for a split deal given the speculation that he would be on IR next season. It's really up to him and his agent, but they would have slightly more leverage if he were drafted rather than an UDFA. It might be an upfront agreement that he wouldn't play in 2013 due to rehab, but could be on IR and part of the team. So instead of getting the 405k that year (min for 2013), maybe they do it as a split deal for 50% of the value and immediately put him on IR after training camp to save cap room and the roster spot.

There's certainly wiggle room for any team and Lattimore to negotiate, but in the Texans situation, I think it may be worth it to wait for him to hit the UDFA market due to cap constraints.

rmartin65
12-10-2012, 01:53 PM
The only way they don't count against the cap is if they sign a "split" contract, which basically pays out up to X% of the money (specified in each contract) if the player goes on injured reserve. A couple of recent examples of this are Ryan Grant and Cedric Benson, both of which signed split deals with the Packers this season.



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-cedric-benson-split-contract-001013857--nfl.html

You may also remember that when the Texans were "trying" to re-sign Chester Pitts, one of the stipulations was that they wanted it to be a split deal. He wouldn't go for it and wound up with the Seahawks, and later on IR that season. The Texans this year also had split contracts with Kenyaron Fox and Rashon Harris iirc. Their cap hits for the year will depend on the amount specified as in the split, but I haven't seen it publicized. It's likely that they earned less than half the value of their contract's total.

Now I'm not sure if Lattimore would go for a split deal given the speculation that he would be on IR next season. It's really up to him and his agent, but they would have slightly more leverage if he were drafted rather than an UDFA. It might be an upfront agreement that he wouldn't play in 2013 due to rehab, but could be on IR and part of the team. So instead of getting the 405k that year (min for 2013), maybe they do it as a split deal for 50% of the value and immediately put him on IR after training camp to save cap room and the roster spot.

There's certainly wiggle room for any team and Lattimore to negotiate, but in the Texans situation, I think it may be worth it to wait for him to hit the UDFA market due to cap constraints.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up then!

Are we looking at being that hard up against the cap next year?

IDEXAN
12-10-2012, 01:54 PM
It happens more than you think ...Michael Bush
But who like Lattimore has had 2 consecutive years in college of season-ending
knee injuries ?

Dutchrudder
12-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up then!

Are we looking at being that hard up against the cap next year?

I believe so. I think (and this is just my own estimation), we will have around 8-10 million in freespace at the start of free agency for 2013. That's with guys like Barwin, Casey, Quin and a dozen others hitting UFA. If we were to retain Quin for 3 million a year, Barwin for 4 million a year, and Casey at minimum, we would be right up near the cap with no rookies signed. That's no bueno... :(

badboy
12-10-2012, 03:01 PM
I believe so. I think (and this is just my own estimation), we will have around 8-10 million in freespace at the start of free agency for 2013. That's with guys like Barwin, Casey, Quin and a dozen others hitting UFA. If we were to retain Quin for 3 million a year, Barwin for 4 million a year, and Casey at minimum, we would be right up near the cap with no rookies signed. That's no bueno... :(That's about my estimate also. You sign the FA you want by bonusing vets like J. Joseph (2013 $7m) & perhap A. Smith (2013 $6m), Daniels and free up $8-10 million. I think the CBA states a player must have one year of a 'new' contract completed before that contract can be renegotiated. If so, then in offseason after 2013, Myers (2 years behind him), Schaub, D. Brown and Foster could be redone for players like Cushing.


This is where Chris Olsen will continue to shine in keeping solid players on roster, imo. After this off season most teams will all be pretty much at cap and other than cutting a high salary vet to go after a FA, probably will not be much movement.