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76Texan
12-05-2012, 04:19 PM
I noted that he played in 4 series, one of them resulted in a TD.

He had 4 or 5 take_down blocks; they are so fun to watch.
Granted, he had a little initial help on all but one; but you rarely see that with our other Guards, let alone that many in fewer than 20 snaps.:kingkong::kingkong::kingkong:

Wolf6151
12-06-2012, 02:53 AM
I didn't get to see much of the Tenn. game so thanks for the info. I've been wondering when he might get in a game and how he'd do. That's good to hear. Anyone else care to critique Brooks performance.

Scooter
12-06-2012, 03:37 AM
76 do you have the timeline for the drives that brooks was in?

beerlover
12-06-2012, 03:44 AM
I like pancakes not exactly cut blocks now are they but effective, like throwing a change-up to keep a hitter off balance. Thanks for the heads-up 76 :fostering:

Honoring Earl 34
12-06-2012, 07:57 AM
He's in on the series with the Casey td .

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000104300/Texans-vs-Titans-highlights

76Texan
12-06-2012, 09:20 AM
He's in on the series with the Casey td .

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000104300/Texans-vs-Titans-highlights

That's the first time he came in.
Fourth series of the game, toward the end of the first quarter.
On the first play, Foster ran left.
Brooks pushed his guy into D. Brown's guy, causing them both to fall.
Brown then pancaked them both, LOL!

BTW, when Brown got hurt, Gardner went in for 3 snaps in that series, and did well enough.

On fourth and one, Brooks was pulling his man down when Harris came over to help.
Looks like Harris slipped and caused the DE to lose balance.
Brooks took him down, not quite flat on his face, but pretty close enough to make me smile.

He came back in the next series, which was in the second quarter, around the 13:40 mark, on first down.
Brooks was pushing his guy when Myers helped him by nudging the guy a bit before releasing onto the second level.
Brooks put the guy on his back by rolling him over.
He would have been on top of the guy on the ground, except the momentum caused him to roll off the body of the dead.

In the third quarter, he came in around the 9:40 mark.
On second down, Brooks went to the second level.
The safety was able to avoid him.
Brooks, came back and pancaked him.
He might have gotten away with blocking in the back, but the safety helped him out by trying to turn around to reach the runner.
He was squatted like a bug.
Look at the angle of the last two replays.

On the next series, near the 5 sec mark.
On the first play of the drive, he simply pushed his guy backward and pancaked him, LOL!

Those are all the series he played in.
15 snaps, 8 running plays.
:hurrah:

TimeKiller
12-06-2012, 11:15 AM
Between he and Ben Jones....I don't think Caldwell is getting his spot back. We'll see how long Wade Smith can hang on, I think we're gonna see another few OL picks next year too. The Texans game depends wayyyyyyy too much on the OL's ability to not continue the rebuild until....well....until we have 5 HOF backing up 5 HOFs. Foster's numbers have taken a hit in the wake of last year's exodus. Newton, Butler and Caldwell all performed admirably but not well enough to consider them as players to hang onto moving forward. I will say that the pass protection has been about the same, if not slightly better but that's not what this offense is about.

DocBar
12-06-2012, 11:37 AM
Between he and Ben Jones....I don't think Caldwell is getting his spot back. We'll see how long Wade Smith can hang on, I think we're gonna see another few OL picks next year too. The Texans game depends wayyyyyyy too much on the OL's ability to not continue the rebuild until....well....until we have 5 HOF backing up 5 HOFs. Foster's numbers have taken a hit in the wake of last year's exodus. Newton, Butler and Caldwell all performed admirably but not well enough to consider them as players to hang onto moving forward. I will say that the pass protection has been about the same, if not slightly better but that's not what this offense is about.Foster's numbers have taken a hit because the ankle tackles he used to go right through are now tripping him up. He's had several big play opportunities go down the drain because someone grabbed his shoelace. Personally, I blame the vegan thing for that. :D

76Texan
12-06-2012, 12:15 PM
Between he and Ben Jones....I don't think Caldwell is getting his spot back. We'll see how long Wade Smith can hang on, I think we're gonna see another few OL picks next year too. The Texans game depends wayyyyyyy too much on the OL's ability to not continue the rebuild until....well....until we have 5 HOF backing up 5 HOFs. Foster's numbers have taken a hit in the wake of last year's exodus. Newton, Butler and Caldwell all performed admirably but not well enough to consider them as players to hang onto moving forward. I will say that the pass protection has been about the same, if not slightly better but that's not what this offense is about.

How about Tate and Forsett?

They have the same O-line blocking.

Like I said, We're using Foster more in short yardage situation and that screw up the number.

thunderkyss
12-06-2012, 12:24 PM
Foster's numbers have taken a hit because the ankle tackles he used to go right through are now tripping him up. He's had several big play opportunities go down the drain because someone grabbed his shoelace. Personally, I blame the vegan thing for that. :D

I agree for the most part that it does appear to be Foster related. Earlier in the season it didn't appear as such, because nobody but Foster was making any gains. He also had the most opportunity.

But recently, the other guys are being more productive on less carries. Can't remember Forsett's first game, but I thought his success there was that the defense must have believed we were passing since Foster wasn't in the game. But we've seen several games now where Forsett is still gaining yards & teams should know & be prepared for it now.

Between his slipping & going down on contact, Foster isn't as productive as he used to be. Maybe he's saving himself, going for longevity.

76Texan
12-06-2012, 01:03 PM
Nah, there's a feature on Profootball reference.com called Play Finder.

You can search for all the plays there with the criteria you provide.

Check out the number of times we used Foster near our goal line or close to the opponent end zone, say ten yards in.

Check out the number we use him on third or fourth and short (less than 3 yards for example.)

Check out the number of times we used him to end the half and to end the game.

Compare them with Tate and Forsett.

TimeKiller
12-06-2012, 01:57 PM
How about Tate and Forsett?

They have the same O-line blocking.

Like I said, We're using Foster more in short yardage situation and that screw up the number.

What about them? Foster's use in situational football is nothing different than it was last year. The difference I see is less cutback lanes which means less of him blasting a D straight up the middle for 5+ every time. He'll get a good run to the edges now and again but the homeruns are gone. To me, he's running like a guy who knows the holes aren't going to be there.

GP
12-06-2012, 02:20 PM
BTW, when Brown got hurt, Gardner went in for 3 snaps in that series, and did well enough.

You guys need to go back and watch that very first Gardner snap...

Look at his face and body language as he's coming back from out-of-bounds (right after the play was over), coming back to the huddle, he had this look on his face like "Holy crap, I'm playing in the game! I'm. In. The. Game."

It was pure awesomeness, folks. He looked as proud as a peacock out there.

It's stuff like that that makes gives me goose bumps.

badboy
12-06-2012, 02:42 PM
You guys need to go back and watch that very first Gardner snap...

Look at his face and body language as he's coming back from out-of-bounds (right after the play was over), coming back to the huddle, he had this look on his face like "Holy crap, I'm playing in the game! I'm. In. The. Game."

It was pure awesomeness, folks. He looked as proud as a peacock out there.

It's stuff like that that makes gives me goose bumps.He was hearing Karen Carpenter's song "We've only just begun." I think Brooks will be all right but still adjusting to NFL. Not too many games barring injuries where rookie backups can get in.

76Texan
12-06-2012, 03:02 PM
What about them? Foster's use in situational football is nothing different than it was last year. The difference I see is less cutback lanes which means less of him blasting a D straight up the middle for 5+ every time. He'll get a good run to the edges now and again but the homeruns are gone. To me, he's running like a guy who knows the holes aren't going to be there.

Like I've been saying, there are several factors that contributed.
Yes, sometimes the holes weren't there. It is just a coincidence that the holes weren't there for him a little more often than the other two backs.

You go back and watch the Titans game for example.

On his first run, Casey missed his block and there's an unblocked defender coming straight at him. he gained 2

On his second run, The whole left side got shut down; they got one more than us on that side.
He was following Casey who got blown up at the Los.
Foster gained 1.

On his third run, Wade Smith got blown up right into him;
Then an unblocked defender zeroed in.

On fourth and one, the De was too much for Walter to handle, forcing Foster wide. He managed to gain six.

All these runs were to the left.

In the second quarter, we were at their 3.
Our line got no push, Foster gained 1

On the next play, even though Brown was pushed back, Foster was able to go outside for 2 and a TD.

In the second half, he gained 10 on one play but Wade Smith was flagged for holding.

On the play where he fumbled the ball, Casey got blown up at the line again.
Brown also let his man to the inside. Harris missed the cut block in the back side; his man chased from behind to make the tackle.

We lost on the left side again, with Wade Smith. Brown let his man get inside again.
Foster gained two as he cut back but Myers missed his block on the second level.

2 plays later, OD lost the edge (hindering Brown) and Casey wasn't so hot either; no gain for Foster to the left side again to end the third.

He had a couple of runs in the fourth to the right where that side was also closed up.

The 2 short yardage situations pull his average down for sure.

I don't know what else you want him to do, really!

76Texan
12-06-2012, 03:08 PM
You guys need to go back and watch that very first Gardner snap...

Look at his face and body language as he's coming back from out-of-bounds (right after the play was over), coming back to the huddle, he had this look on his face like "Holy crap, I'm playing in the game! I'm. In. The. Game."

It was pure awesomeness, folks. He looked as proud as a peacock out there.

It's stuff like that that makes gives me goose bumps.

He sure did well on that play.
We need him to keep improving.

I think we may see a few stretch run this Monday.
The pats have been patsies on the edges.

76Texan
12-06-2012, 03:09 PM
He was hearing Karen Carpenter's song "We've only just begun." I think Brooks will be all right but still adjusting to NFL. Not too many games barring injuries where rookie backups can get in.

I like that song.

ChrisG
12-06-2012, 03:31 PM
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badboy
12-06-2012, 05:35 PM
I like that song.You realize she was singing that just to me? She also said "stars suddenly appear" when I am near. That woman really understood me.:tiphat:

76Texan
12-06-2012, 05:47 PM
You realize she was singing that just to me? She also said "stars suddenly appear" when I am near. That woman really understood me.:tiphat:

Good for you, I had a good evenly laugh.
I love Karen, too; but you can have her.

Well, not really, it wouldn't be fair to her, right?

badboy
12-06-2012, 05:51 PM
Good for you, I had a good evenly laugh.
I love Karen, too; but you can have her.

Well, not really, it wouldn't be fair to her, right?Never mind, Demi Moore is on the phone wanting to take me dancing to Reggae. She can't sing but she doesn't have to.

76Texan
12-06-2012, 05:58 PM
Never mind, Demi Moore is on the phone wanting to take me dancing to Reggae. She can't sing but she doesn't have to.

I laugh so freaking hard I choke myself, hahhaha

Insideop
05-29-2013, 04:59 PM
Didn't see this mentioned or posted anywhere. Looks like Brooks could be the starting RG this season. It's good to see he's stepping up. http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Slimmed-down-Brandon-Brooks-working-as-starter-in-OTAs/7bd610ca-161f-49e2-9abc-3159f69e3367

Texans_Chick
05-29-2013, 06:01 PM
Didn't see this mentioned or posted anywhere. Looks like Brooks could be the starting RG this season. It's good to see he's stepping up. http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Slimmed-down-Brandon-Brooks-working-as-starter-in-OTAs/7bd610ca-161f-49e2-9abc-3159f69e3367

He's been in that role since day one of OTAs.

Beastly.

He's the guy that when they have open training camps, fans will be all whoaaaaaa.

Just beastly. Pictures don't do it justice.

Wolf6151
05-29-2013, 07:24 PM
Barring injury, I think Brooks will be a stud at RG next season. The big question is what will happen at RT, the injury to Newton has me very concerned.

Brisco_County
05-29-2013, 07:44 PM
He's the most important development on the team. When you think about the problems that stalled the offense in the second half of last season, he is the biggest piece of the solution.

Lucky
05-29-2013, 10:54 PM
He's the most important development on the team. When you think about the problems that stalled the offense in the second half of last season, he is the biggest piece of the solution.
There's still the little problem at RT. Newton and the draft pick Williams injured and sitting out OTAs. Harris, Gardner, and a 6th round pick getting the reps. And I've got the most hope in the 6th round pick. Scary.

Rey
05-29-2013, 10:59 PM
I hope quess wins the RT spot. I think he'll end up being the best one for that position in the long run.

thunderkyss
05-29-2013, 11:10 PM
Harris, Gardner, and a 6th round pick getting the reps.

You will very rarely hear me bad mouth a player.

I don't "know" these guys. They all work harder than I do at this game. They are all more athletic than I am. They are the ones getting their heads smashed in for my entertainment.

But that Gardner guy... I come close to losing my religion last season because of him.

ChampionTexan
05-29-2013, 11:15 PM
There's still the little problem at RT. Newton and the draft pick Williams injured and sitting out OTAs. Harris, Gardner, and a 6th round pick getting the reps. And I've got the most hope in the 6th round pick. Scary.

I don't want to get into a whole thing about the veracity of the Texans vis-a-vis injuries, but Kubiak said he "hoped" to get Brennan Williams back sometime in week 4 of OTA's. Obviously if that happens, he should also be available for the mandatory mini-camp.

Let's hope he gets back soon and we get some competition at RT between the Rookies. I honestly feel like any upgrade at that position will come from one of them, or (maybe) a healthy Newton. I don't see either Harris or Gardner as a potential upgrade to that position over 2012.

IDEXAN
05-29-2013, 11:16 PM
Between Quess, B. Williams, Harris & Newt they should be able to find a reliable starting RT who can stay healthy and consistantly play well because they've got 3 months to do it.

thunderkyss
05-29-2013, 11:18 PM
I hope quess wins the RT spot. I think he'll end up being the best one for that position in the long run.

If Quiz gets the RT job, I'll be "okay" with Brooks starting at RG. I'd really like to see Brooks at LG & Ben Jones at RG. But with a rookie at RT we need all the experience we can get.

Lucky
05-29-2013, 11:27 PM
Between Quess, B. Williams, Harris & Newt they should be able to find a reliable starting RT who can stay healthy and consistantly play well because they've got 3 months to do it.
They should? Yes, Newton and Williams will have more time to heal between now and camp. Doesn't mean they will be healed or will stay healthy. Harris is what he is. And he has had back problems in the past. I think many think the Texans found nice value in the 6th round with Quessenberry. But it's crazy to assume he will be ready to be the starter come opening day. This is easily the biggest concern coming out of these OTAs.

76Texan
05-30-2013, 11:52 AM
You will very rarely hear me bad mouth a player.

I don't "know" these guys. They all work harder than I do at this game. They are all more athletic than I am. They are the ones getting their heads smashed in for my entertainment.

But that Gardner guy... I come close to losing my religion last season because of him.

:spit:

76Texan
05-30-2013, 11:55 AM
They should? Yes, Newton and Williams will have more time to heal between now and camp. Doesn't mean they will be healed or will stay healthy. Harris is what he is. And he has had back problems in the past. I think many think the Texans found nice value in the 6th round with Quessenberry. But it's crazy to assume he will be ready to be the starter come opening day. This is easily the biggest concern coming out of these OTAs.

Harris is underrated.
To me, he was the better RT last year.
Don't want to count on him being healthy long-term though.

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2013, 01:23 PM
Harris is underrated.
To me, he was the better RT last year.
Don't want to count on him being healthy long-term though.

It's a promising sign that given a year after his back surgery, he was able to play in 16 games last year. You would have to consider that a successful surgery, something that is not necessarily the norm.

Insideop
05-30-2013, 04:10 PM
It's a promising sign that given a year after his back surgery, he was able to play in 16 games last year. You would have to consider that a successful surgery, something that is not necessarily the norm.

Has the percentage of successful back surgeries improved any over the last 5 to 10 years? I know that's a broad question, but I know of a number of people who've had back surgery/surgeries in years past that are in bad shape, and they don't even play football. I would have to think that someone playing pro football would have even a lower percentage chance of full recovery and playing again.

Playoffs
05-30-2013, 04:17 PM
Harris is underrated.
To me, he was the better RT last year.
Don't want to count on him being healthy long-term though.Agree, I think he was clearly better. Hope he holds up.

It's a promising sign that given a year after his back surgery, he was able to play in 16 games last year. You would have to consider that a successful surgery, something that is not necessarily the norm.Good to hear, thanks Doc.

welsh texan
05-30-2013, 04:36 PM
I'm really pumped about this, you expect linear improvement from young players but here we have a guy who got his ass chewed a little this time last year for being a fat barsteward and nowhere near NFL shape, had marginal impact through his rookie season, and has reported back in the shape they wanted him to be, and is getting smoke blown up his arse from every angle by those who are watching him play.

That is exactly what we need if we are to continue to improve, and I think the line looks good for the future.

Now, given Schaubs Age/Health/Ability, you have to think this gives him a great chance to make the most of what he has left in the tank over the next few years (possibly), whilst seeing good young players looking promising gives me hope that when we do inevitably make a change at QB, whoever comes in won't have the issue of poor line-play hampering their development.

I get the impression while we've failed to spend high picks on a QB, should one of either Keenum/Yates not vie for the starting position, any rookie coming in is going to have a quality young line, and a set of exciting young receivers to target, and a good running game at their disposal.

The last couple of years have begun to really show me that Smithiak are in this for the long haul. A lot of great guys have been and gone during the turnaround but while you may like to have a DeMeco, Winston etc still on the team, the overall quality/future potential of the roster, I believe, is at an all time high.

I'm also seeing nothing but great things about this current draft class, as well as the last seemingly offering starters all over the field with continued development, only complacency will stop this team from being a force for years to come I feel.

No more Frank Okams and non-effort guys, all seem to have fixable flaws and a coachable work-ethic. Great scouting and good team management.

I'm happy in May. Got the feeling things are gaining momentum. I'm also deliriously tired which may be adding to the extremely positive emotions pulsating through this post.:spin:

thunderkyss
05-30-2013, 05:28 PM
Harris is underrated.
To me, he was the better RT last year.
Don't want to count on him being healthy long-term though.

It's a promising sign that given a year after his back surgery, he was able to play in 16 games last year. You would have to consider that a successful surgery, something that is not necessarily the norm.

Agree, I think he was clearly better. Hope he holds up.



So maybe the rotation was just as much about easing Harris back into the game as it was protecting Derek Newton.

That Kubiak...... crazy like a fox.

Lurvinator11
05-30-2013, 11:16 PM
I remember seeing him at the end of last season. He went in and just dominated his guys. I am more than excited to have him starting for us. I think he will be awesome.

Insideop
07-26-2013, 06:57 PM
I'm really starting to like this guy and I've been hearing nothing but good things about him during the offseason. I hope he has a great year and solidifies the RG spot for a long time. Here's a quote from BB talking about getting help from Brown, Smith, and Myers in a short article on the Texans website:“When I came back after the offseason, I really got together with those guys and asked them, ‘Do you mind taking me in the film room, letting me see what you guys see? What do you do in this situation? Stuff like that,” Brooks said Thursday at Reliant Stadium. “They were more than happy to take me under their wing and go from there. I wish all of the Texans young players were like this (Yes, I'm talking to you Sam Montgomery!). It's clear Brooks has his head on straight and he should make an outstanding RG for the Texans.

Here's a link to the rest of the article; http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Brandon-Brooks-Getting-the-Right-Side-Right/10f48269-f24e-4fbf-8bf5-7f0ff6003e73

Playoffs
07-26-2013, 08:07 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/In_Story_Photos_400_190/580bbrooks.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
07-26-2013, 08:40 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/In_Story_Photos_400_190/580bbrooks.jpg

He looks very svelte now. Hopefully he has maintained all of his legendary strength. I'd be willing to put money on it.........strong as a bull.........:texflag:

Playoffs
07-26-2013, 10:43 PM
He looks very svelte now. Hopefully he has maintained all of his legendary strength. I'd be willing to put money on it.........strong as a bull.........:texflag:

He still has the biggest cankles I've ever seen.

Playoffs
12-16-2013, 06:11 PM
Brandon Brooks is quietly having a good season.

PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/) rates Brooks at 10th/77 Guards overall and 2nd/77 in run blocking. His pass blocking rating is where he needs to improve, rated 39th/77. (>25% snaps, before MNF)

Brooks just posted his season best +5.4 overall rating against the Colts.

Nice work in a not so great situation, Brandon. :clap:

TheIronDuke
12-16-2013, 06:29 PM
Brandon Brroks is quietly having a good season.

PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/) rates Brooks at 10th/77 Guards overall and 2nd/77 in run blocking. His pass blocking rating is where he needs to improve, rated 39th/77. (>25% snaps, before MNF)

Brooks just posted his season best +5.4 overall rating against the Colts.

Nice work in a not so great situation, Brandon. :clap:

That's awesome, I hope this proves the fact that you don't have to use first round picks to get good offensive linemen to posters who think we need to take a RT at #1 overall.

infantrycak
12-16-2013, 06:31 PM
Brandon Brroks is quietly having a good season.

Yes he is. His biggest problem is mental IMO. He is having a hard time coordinating with those around him particularly in pass protection. That is something which good coaching and experience can improve.

WolverineFan
12-16-2013, 06:55 PM
Brandon Brooks is quietly having a good season.

PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/) rates Brooks at 10th/77 Guards overall and 2nd/77 in run blocking. His pass blocking rating is where he needs to improve, rated 39th/77. (>25% snaps, before MNF)

Brooks just posted his season best +5.4 overall rating against the Colts.

Nice work in a not so great situation, Brandon. :clap:

Good stuff, rep your way.

I really liked Brooks coming out. He was a mauler in the run game that just needed to improve his conditioning and get in better shape and more refined in pass pro. I think the early numbers point that out. I still think he has a lot of room for improvement and that's not a bad thing. He has the ability to be a very good starting guard in the league.

eriadoc
12-16-2013, 07:51 PM
He's been a very good run blocker. Too bad this is becoming more and more a passing league. I have hope for the guy, though. I'm thinking he and Quessenberry have a better shot than any of being the two starting guards next season.

Texanmike02
12-16-2013, 08:56 PM
I haven't paid much attention to him recently. I was at the Tenn game though and he was getting destroyed in the passing game. Has he gotten better as the year has gone on?

Mike

Playoffs
12-16-2013, 10:32 PM
I haven't paid much attention to him recently. I was at the Tenn game though and he was getting destroyed in the passing game. Has he gotten better as the year has gone on?

Mike

BLT & SEA were his low point, he's trended well since then. Nice last 4 games.

But his pass pro is where he needs to put work in -- just average in that phase.

thunderkyss
12-17-2013, 10:04 AM
That's awesome, I hope this proves the fact that you don't have to use first round picks to get good offensive linemen to posters who think we need to take a RT at #1 overall.

If we get the #1 overall pick we've got to use it on someone. The choices right now aren't that great.

Clowney, Matthews, Bridgewater.....

I personally like Matthews. We don't "need" to take him with the #1 overall, but we "need" to improve our offensive line. Matthews does that for us in terms of both starting quality & depth.

Right now, we have no real alternative to a major Duane Brown injury. With Matthews, he could slide over if need be & you can fill his RT spot with Harris, Newton, or Williams.

If Duane Brown doesn't have a major injury we'll dominate on the OL with Quiz (or even Ben Jones, I like Ben Jones) at LG. That dominant OL will help keep the opposing teams QB (in a QB driven league) on the sideline. & our new QB (even Case Keenum) can thrive with a healthy run game (Foster, Dj, or whoever) & a well rested defense.

As "great" as our offenses have been, we suck at situational football. 3rd & 1, we suck. Red Zone, we suck. I think Matthews would help us in those situations regardless who our QB is.

Hervoyel
12-17-2013, 10:44 AM
That's awesome, I hope this proves the fact that you don't have to use first round picks to get good offensive linemen to posters who think we need to take a RT at #1 overall.

No, it doesn't prove anything. A guard is developing in Houston. That is in no way related to whether or not the Texans should or should not draft a guy #1 overall who can play both RT and LT, hold down the right side for a few years, switch out with Duane Brown when he slows down or replace him outright.

TheIronDuke
12-17-2013, 10:48 AM
No, it doesn't prove anything. A guard is developing in Houston. That is in no way related to whether or not the Texans should or should not draft a guy #1 overall who can play both RT and LT, hold down the right side for a few years, switch out with Duane Brown when he slows down or replace him outright.

If you think that offensive line is our most glaring need that can be filled with #1 overall then that's your opinion. Mine is that QB and any position on defense is much more needed than a RT for us to win next year.

Hervoyel
12-17-2013, 10:56 AM
If you think that offensive line is our most glaring need that can be filled with #1 overall then that's your opinion. Mine is that QB and any position on defense is much more needed than a RT for us to win next year.

It's true, they're just opinions and we all have them (no need to complete that). You're as likely to be right as anyone and I think that I am too. I think this collection of QB's is ok and that late in the first round, early in the 2nd we can get one that will be not all that big a drop off from the guy we'd be taking at 1-1. I am not saying that Bridgewater isn't good or that Clowney isn't good. They probably are. I'm just saying that Bridgewater doesn't look like a 1-1 guy to me and Clowney kind of scares me. I think he's the kind of first overall pick that can blow up in your face and the Texans have a history of making bad decisions.

I would rather they err toward the safe side. Matthews is I believe the safest pick at 1-1

But deep down I hope that whoever we take with it (assuming we do pick there) works out. We're all on the same page there.

steelbtexan
12-17-2013, 11:05 AM
If you think that offensive line is our most glaring need that can be filled with #1 overall then that's your opinion. Mine is that QB and any position on defense is much more needed than a RT for us to win next year.

Dont want to go OL at 1-1.

If you think this 2-14 crap of a team that has a bunch of quitters on it is going to win next yr, then I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

Regardless of who's drafted it will take 2-3 yrs for the new HC to weed out all of the players that need to go, find his QB and get his system fully implemented. That's if and only if BoB/Rick give the new HC the power to do what needs to be done.

If they draft Bridgewater how long do you think it will take him to learn the nuances of the pro game and become a SB winning caliber QB? That's if Bridgewater is as good as you believe he is. Which I dont think he's going to be great. 2-3 yrs? Certainly not next yr.

TheIronDuke
12-17-2013, 11:24 AM
I actually am not sold on Bridgewater myself and would prefer a trade-down and get Barr or Nix and McCarron in the second. I just think there's other tackles in the draft that we could get that would be just as effective as Matthews and would cost less from a draft standpoint. But if we'd have to use #1 overall I'd go QB or Barr, just don't want to use it on a tackle is all.

CloakNNNdagger
12-17-2013, 02:56 PM
I haven't paid much attention to him recently. I was at the Tenn game though and he was getting destroyed in the passing game. Has he gotten better as the year has gone on?

Mike

During his development, he has had the unfortunate plight of working next to Newton. :mcnugget:

thunderkyss
12-17-2013, 03:37 PM
If you think that offensive line is our most glaring need that can be filled with #1 overall then that's your opinion. Mine is that QB and any position on defense is much more needed than a RT for us to win next year.

As bad as the defense is... they're still #5 in the league. I know that doesn't mean a lot, but it does mean something. We've got some talent over there, some players.

& in this league, I don't think you can ever get the kind of defense that justifies 11 first day picks. While we don't have 11 first day picks on defense, we're pretty close.

Still, I'm not saying that we have to take Matthews. I'm saying he would be my choice, but I don't want the Texans to feel like they "have" to take a QB. If they think he's (or any QB for that matter) a better fit for this team then fine.

I still need to be sold on any of them being selected #1 overall, because right now I'm pretty sure that's where we're going to be picking.

WolverineFan
12-17-2013, 03:53 PM
Still, I'm not saying that we have to take Matthews. I'm saying he would be my choice, but I don't want the Texans to feel like they "have" to take a QB. If they think he's (or any QB for that matter) a better fit for this team then fine.

I still need to be sold on any of them being selected #1 overall, because right now I'm pretty sure that's where we're going to be picking.

I'm a fan of Bridgewater but I agree with this. If the Texans don't see him as that type of talent, then don't draft him just because the pundits have labeled him as the top guy. Reaching on a QB because he's a QB is what got teams like JAX and MIN in trouble.

IDEXAN
07-28-2014, 11:41 AM
Brooks is standing around on the sidelines not participating, anybody know the story on him ? This is not good.

ChampionTexan
07-28-2014, 12:20 PM
Brooks is standing around on the sidelines not participating, anybody know the story on him ? This is not good.

He was placed on the Active/Non-Football injury list, so he's not currently eligible to participate.

As you might guess, O'Brien has said little in the way of specifics on his injury, but it's something with his back.

Texian
07-28-2014, 12:29 PM
He was placed on the Active/Non-Football injury list, so he's not currently eligible to participate.

As you might guess, O'Brien has said little in the way of specifics on his injury, but it's something with his back.

I read something where is it was back related.

ChampionTexan
07-28-2014, 12:31 PM
I read something where is it was back related.

Perhaps you read it in my post.

Texian
07-28-2014, 05:37 PM
Perhaps you read it in my post.

I read it on twitter, so yeah if you tweeted it, that's where I may have read it.

DocBar
07-28-2014, 05:40 PM
Who has the gash on their ankle? I remember reading something about that on here somewhere.

ObsiWan
08-03-2014, 12:05 PM
Who has the gash on their ankle? I remember reading something about that on here somewhere.
I'm thinking that was Ricky Sapp.

07/29/2014 The Texans have released the following player non-football injury: Ricky Sapp

CloakNNNdagger
08-04-2014, 02:30 PM
Perhaps you read it in my post.

I read it on twitter, so yeah if you tweeted it, that's where I may have read it.

It is indeed a back issue that has accounted for Brooks' weight gain and the poor conditioning keeping him out of practice. No mention has been made of the toe problem that crippled him a good part of the latter half of last season. We know that toe problems can very commonly be chronic and recurrent. Like other lower limb problems, the hip mechanics can definitely be negatively affected if the previous injury is not entirely rehabbed before resuming play. And when hip mechanics are disrupted, back issues, which then can also become chronic, can be very close behind.

jradMIT
08-04-2014, 02:57 PM
It is indeed a back issue that has accounted for Brooks' weight gain and the poor conditioning keeping him out of practice. No mention has been made of the toe problem that crippled him a good part of the latter half of last season. We know that toe problems can very commonly be chronic and recurrent. Like other lower limb problems, the hip mechanics can definitely be negatively affected if the previous injury is not entirely rehabbed before resuming play. And when hip mechanics are disrupted, back issues, which then can also become chronic, can be very close behind.

At least its not serious.

drs23
08-04-2014, 05:27 PM
At least its not LIFE THREATENING.

fify

steelbtexan
08-04-2014, 11:27 PM
Cut his freakin toe off and get Brooks back out there. Everybody knows how important TC is?

Right Arian/AJ?

ObsiWan
08-05-2014, 01:22 AM
Cut his freakin toe off and get Brooks back out there. Everybody knows how important TC is?

Right Arian/AJ?
Yeah, everyone has to earn their stripes in O'Brien's new, tougher, non-country club environment. Unlike in the previous regime, no one is handed their spot on the depth chart, right?
...I know I read that someplace....
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