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HoustonFrog
12-04-2012, 11:07 AM
As a Cowboy fan I can see this unless things change with Jerry. Not sure if he cares. I still read the hometown paper, the Star-Telegram and this was an article that just came out. He isn't spot on everything but interesting none the less.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/12/03/4457327/texans-win-on-field-cowboys-win.html

Talking to an active NFL player last week, he gave the following endorsement for a man who wants to be a head coach again.

The player said of this coach: "He has a great scheme, for one. It really makes sense. He has a great understanding for the players and for each position. He does a great job of putting guys in the right position so their talents can flourish.

"But he has a great gift for calling plays. He just feels a play. He will make three or four calls throughout a game and they are spot-on calls and they result in big plays for the game. He has been through it all and he has seen it all.

"When he makes a call, you have to believe it's going to work. That's a big difference. The way he coaches, too. He lets his assistant coaches coach as well. He just tells us, 'Make the plays on Sunday.'"

Forget Sean Payton. Where can Jerry Jones hire this unnamed super genius coach?

The player delivering the quotes was Houston Texans defensive back Glover Quin.

The coach he spoke so highly of is Houston Texans defensive coordinator Wade Phillips.

While Wade should never be a head coach again, his Texans are tied for the best record in the NFL.

Added to the list of Jerry headaches is that, for the first time since he bought the Cowboys, he feels sweat from the team from the city that made sweating fashionable..............



The first thing the Texans had to do to close some of this disparity in popularity was to at least win Houston.

"People here were definitely starving for this," Smith said. "A lot of people come to you and congratulate you on bringing back football to this city. They had a tough, hard deal with the Oilers. When they left, they broke a lot of hearts."

The next step will be to take Texas, which is something no pro football team from Houston has ever done, or even been close.

"The Cowboys have been around for a long time. A lot of people growing up are Cowboys fans and their parents were Cowboys fans," Glover said. "Sometimes, it would be hard to break that trend."

More like impossible.

Jerry has long since grown accustomed to the idea that his team won't win the NFC East, but if it does not reverse this current trend, he will be in danger of losing Texas, too.

ziggy29
12-04-2012, 11:10 AM
When Texas markets other than Dallas get the Texans game instead of the Cowboys game when they are at the same time on the same network, then we'll be there. Still, it may take many years of winning (and the Cowboys losing) before that could happen.

But as you said, with Jerry all things (mostly negative) are possible. As long as he assumes the Cowboys "own" Texas and that will never change, the more that status is ripe for the taking.

El Tejano
12-04-2012, 11:25 AM
When Texas markets other than Dallas get the Texans game instead of the Cowboys game when they are at the same time on the same network, then we'll be there. Still, it may take many years of winning (and the Cowboys losing) before that could happen.

But as you said, with Jerry all things (mostly negative) are possible. As long as he assumes the Cowboys "own" Texas and that will never change, the more that status is ripe for the taking.

You mean once we start playing 80% of our games at night vs. at 12pm like the cowboys?

El Tejano
12-04-2012, 11:26 AM
Those red and white checkered table cloths looking a bit more glitzier these days huh Jerry?

michaelm
12-04-2012, 11:28 AM
I'm 47 years old, and for most of my life, the Houston Astros owned the majority of Texas, and the Rangers were mostly afterthoughts, except in the DFW area, and sporadically throughout the State.
A few years of winning, and now the Rangers are suddenly the baseball darlings of Texas.

I see some parallels between that relationship, and the Cowboys/Texans relationship.

That situation isn't entirely equivalent to the Cowboys/Texans relationship because the boys have had a stronger hold on the state than the Astros did, IMO, and the Texans are a new franchise whereas the Rangers had been around longer before they started their recent run of success.

But I think in today's win-now society, a team like the Texans can make greater and faster in-roads into a fan base than they could have a decade ago.
Added to that is the fact that the Texans are a pretty likable team overall with a good mix of personalities that people can relate to.
Also, IMO, the Texans are an organization that has class and integrity in very much the way the boys did back in the day when many people became cowboys fans.

Essentially, I think the Texans today represent what the cowboys did in the past, and I think that is attractive to a lot people, many of whom are becoming more and more disillusioned with jerrah and the boys.

GP
12-04-2012, 11:30 AM
Will never happen.

That team is infinitely ensconced in Texas due to the nostalgia of their glory hole years. The SB titles. The whole thing.

It's passed down from fathers to sons.

It would be a near miracle if the Texans chiseled away the aura of the Cowboys. SB titles is the only way to do that.

GlassHalfFull
12-04-2012, 11:33 AM
Looks to me like that writer is poking at Jerry trying to get him to change. Decided to hit him where it hurts, in the pride.


People are not happy with the 'girls up in Dallas these days and are laying the blame squarely on Jerry.

ziggy29
12-04-2012, 11:34 AM
Frankly Texas is big enough that neither team needs to "own" it. But the league and TV folks who make the schedules need to avoid the situation we had two weeks ago, when the Texans and Cowboys were both playing at the same time and on the same network.

HoustonFrog
12-04-2012, 11:36 AM
Will never happen.

That team is infinitely ensconced in Texas due to the nostalgia of their glory hole years. The SB titles. The whole thing.

It's passed down from fathers to sons.

It would be a near miracle if the Texans chiseled away the aura of the Cowboys. SB titles is the only way to do that.

90% of me agrees with this. The other 10%, as I stated in the original post, believes Jerry can screw it up. I have family friends that I grew up with in Ft. Worth that are my age..42..or older and who have followed the Cowboys since the 70s like me. We have been in the midst of 20 straight winning seasons, the 90s teams and even some of the 80s teams that lost in NFC championship games. Some of these people are over Jerry and while the Texans aren't their #1 team, they are now cheering for the Texans to win.

Overall, if you read the whole article..the writer admits that is is nearly impossible but the most important part..winning on the field..has changed and thus gives the possibility legs.

Looks to me like that writer is poking at Jerry trying to get him to change. Decided to hit him where it hurts, in the pride.


People are not happy with the 'girls up in Dallas these days and are laying the blame squarely on Jerry.

They all poke fun at him. I love Randy Galloway because he rips him weekly. That is our only hope...embarrassment that forces change. This is as angry as I've seen people are Jerry. There was actually an interview the other day with reporters all around where the reporter pretty much just told Jerry straight out that they have 1 playoff win in 15 years so why not fire the GM.

Playoffs
12-04-2012, 11:48 AM
It's all about national airtime.

As long as the NFL/Netwoks broadcast the lesser Cowboys nationally over the greater Texans, Cowgirls will have the bigger following.

And before you start, the ratings excuse is a chicken/egg excuse. Broadcast the Texans ...... and they will come around.

HoustonFrog
12-04-2012, 11:51 AM
They all poke fun at him. I love Randy Galloway because he rips him weekly. That is our only hope...embarrassment that forces change. This is as angry as I've seen people are Jerry. There was actually an interview the other day with reporters all around where the reporter pretty much just told Jerry straight out that they have 1 playoff win in 15 years so why not fire the GM.

Here is the interview I was speaking of..I'd love to buy this reporter a drink

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap2000000090485/Jones-weighs-in-on-Cowboys-GM-responsibilities

Double Barrel
12-04-2012, 12:16 PM
Just win, baby. The rest will take care of itself.

Championships are the key. If the Texans can win at least one Super Bowl, hearts and minds will start being connected to the team beyond the hardcore or local fanbase.

Keep winning and the Texans capture a generation, my kids, who will grow up feeling good about their team and then hand that off to their kids in time.

But the key, the only key, is winning...a lot.

Allstar
12-04-2012, 12:20 PM
It would take a couple Super Bowls to even dream of stealing stealing Jerry's thunder.

Big Lou
12-04-2012, 12:24 PM
I live in Vegas, and my company has a lot of transplants from Dallas and our industry was big in the 90's but shrank there and grew in Vegas.

Anyway, they were all die hard Cowboy Fans, but a couple of them talk about becoming Texans Fans.

Ussually I would bash someone for something like this, but its not really that they are Fair Weather Fans, they are just pissed at Jerry and his meddling.

TexanSam
12-04-2012, 12:24 PM
Will never happen.

That team is infinitely ensconced in Texas due to the nostalgia of their glory hole years. The SB titles. The whole thing.

It's passed down from fathers to sons.

It would be a near miracle if the Texans chiseled away the aura of the Cowboys. SB titles is the only way to do that.

I think the Texans could chisel away some of the Cowboys stronghold on the state, but you're right, the Cowboys will always be much more popular. They have a long history of success.

I didn't live in Houston during the Oilers years, but how popular were the Oilers in Texas compared to the Cowboys? I lived in El Paso, so it was mostly Cowboy country with a good amount of Raiders fans also.

Seņor Stan
12-04-2012, 12:38 PM
Will never happen.

That team is infinitely ensconced in Texas due to the nostalgia of their glory hole years. The SB titles. The whole thing.

It's passed down from fathers to sons.

It would be a near miracle if the Texans chiseled away the aura of the Cowboys. SB titles is the only way to do that.

Agreed.

But, look at what years of poor ownership has done to the once proud Raiders franchise...

ziggy29
12-04-2012, 12:40 PM
But, look at what years of poor ownership has done to the once proud Raiders franchise...

Hmmm..... Jerry Jones, Al Davis...

Makes you wonder what becomes of a franchise when the face of the franchise is its owner...

CretorFrigg
12-04-2012, 12:41 PM
As someone who's been in the DFW area since last season, I can tell you that it's true. The Houston Texans are slowly winning over Texas. Last season, I could NEVER watch a Texans game here. This year, I'd be unlucky if they were broadcasting another game.

I think they've broadcasted every Texans game here except for a couple this season. Last season, they only broadcasted a couple of games. Never before have I seen so many Texans paraphernalia in the DFW area.

GlassHalfFull
12-04-2012, 01:02 PM
Hmmm..... Jerry Jones, Al Davis...

Makes you wonder what becomes of a franchise when the face of the franchise is its owner...

I have said it several times on here, but when the casual football fan outside of the city of a team knows the name of the owner, that is a bad indicator for the team.

infantrycak
12-04-2012, 01:17 PM
It's all about national airtime.

As long as the NFL/Netwoks broadcast the lesser Cowboys nationally over the greater Texans, Cowgirls will have the bigger following.

Nope - it is this.

Just win, baby. The rest will take care of itself.

Championships are the key. If the Texans can win at least one Super Bowl, hearts and minds will start being connected to the team beyond the hardcore or local fanbase.

It doesn't matter if it is ancient history - eight SB appearances and five championships wins out.* You have to have a trophy case to compete. We have one banner.

* should be six but for one of the worst officiating mistakes ever.

76Texan
12-04-2012, 01:29 PM
TV rating for the Texans has been increasing significantly.
The Broncos game was the 4th highest amongst all games up to that date.

Ratings in several other games are also very good, including the Jets, the Packers, Jaguars, Lions, Titans, Bears, etc.

More people watched our Thanksgiving game than the Cowboys-Skins game and the Pats-Jets night game.
In fact, it was the second highest rated Turkey game since 1998 when CBS reacquainted the broadcasting right.

The Jets game was the highest rated regular season game since the inaugural game against the Cowboys, and didn't trail the two play-off games by much either.

It certainly looks like more and more people are joining the wagon.

Lurvinator11
12-04-2012, 01:31 PM
I didn't really like this article.

Even when the writer was trying to compliment the Texans, it seemed like he would take it back by jabbing at them.

ubecool454
12-04-2012, 01:31 PM
I think that most Cowboys fans will remain Cowboys fans as they should. I really don't dislike Cowboys fans for pulling for their team....the fans I dislike are the ones that want to ride with whichever team is winning. They would never admit it but you have a lot of team flip flopping that goes on in metro areas that have two teams like in NYC or the Bay area. I bet they have flip floppers in Ohio too. So Cowboys fans stick with your team even when they suck just like us "real" Texans fans have. As far as giving us more prime time games like the Cowboys get...that will come with winning but I say as I've said...the NFL gave us 5 prime time games this year and 4 on the road against some pretty stiff competition hoping that we would lay an egg..lol. I bet they wish they had put us on more Monday night games. The Jets Titans and the Chiefs Steelers MNF games are two that they had to have lost money on. The NFL never wanted us to get a team back..lol...but we are back!

ubecool454
12-04-2012, 01:37 PM
Hmmm..... Jerry Jones, Al Davis...

Makes you wonder what becomes of a franchise when the face of the franchise is its owner...

You forgot about Bud Adams.

ubecool454
12-04-2012, 01:39 PM
Hmmm..... Jerry Jones, Al Davis...

Makes you wonder what becomes of a franchise when the face of the franchise is its owner...

oh the face of the franchise...well bud is not out front like Al was and Jerry is..I stand corrected.

htownfan32
12-04-2012, 02:56 PM
But I feel like, with time, SBs and a couple of new generations, that the Texans might own Texas. There's already ripples of a power shift in college football in Texas, certainly, and there's no reason it can't happen in the NFL either. So long as we remain good and the cowboys remain the cowboys... it'll happen with time.

Insideop
12-04-2012, 03:55 PM
As someone who's been in the DFW area since last season, I can tell you that it's true. The Houston Texans are slowly winning over Texas. Last season, I could NEVER watch a Texans game here. This year, I'd be unlucky if they were broadcasting another game.

I think they've broadcasted every Texans game here except for a couple this season. Last season, they only broadcasted a couple of games. Never before have I seen so many Texans paraphernalia in the DFW area.

Now that's a sign of progress. Not so long ago (maybe 5 or 6 years), I was lucky to find a Texan hat in a Walmart about 40 miles south of Houston while the shelves and racks were stocked with "cowgirl" gear. If you go in there now it might be 50/50 or maybe a little better for Texans gear. I still wear the old Texans hat, though it's faded and worn, mostly to show I'm not a "fair weather fan." :)

BlueSteel
12-04-2012, 05:12 PM
Will never happen.

That team is infinitely ensconced in Texas due to the nostalgia of their glory hole years. The SB titles. The whole thing.

It's passed down from fathers to sons.

It would be a near miracle if the Texans chiseled away the aura of the Cowboys. SB titles is the only way to do that.

My dad was a long time Cowboy fan since he grew up in the DFW area. We moved to Houston in the early 90's and watched the Oilers, but mainly because they were the local team and it was pro football.

We followed the Cowboys pretty close during the dark years in Houston. However, when the Texans joined the league I forged a new NFL bond with MY team in MY city.

Since then I have watched the team slowly capture the hearts of the city (IE Titan fans that couldn't let go) and my dad as well.

Point being, my dad followed the cowboys during their true glory years when they were actually called Americas team and he has still found a place in his heart for our brand of football.

My dad is not a fan of Jerry Jones by the way.

Edit: I live in DFW now by the way and every game has been shown here this year except the 2 jags games. GOOD THING I BOUGHT SUNDAY TICKET THIS YEAR!!! :(

klockWork
12-04-2012, 05:22 PM
Man, I don't care about Texans winning popularity of Texas. That is a far-fetch dream. I care more of taking the city of Houston back.
I show you what I mean:
On the eve of this past Thanksgiving I went to Walgreens to buy something, this cashier while ringing my items said to me, "You excited bout tomorrow game?"
I said," Yeah, like every game so for this season."
He said,"If we beat the Redskins we'll be back in the playoff hunt."
I breathe through my nose calmly behind gritted teeth and said, I can't believe you just ask me that. How you know I'm not a Texans fan?"
"Oh, you are?" he said puzzlingly like he just discover I was not from this planet.
I said to him, "You do realize we're in Houston and yet somehow you made the assumption that I'm a person supporting a team that represent another city just over 300 miles northwest from here?"
The guy took a step back from the cash register, clearly seeing my agitation.
Over my shoulder from a short distance I hear an authoritative voice say,"Sir, is there problem?"
I snatched my bagged items from the shaken cashier hands, scooped my change from the dispenser on my way out and say back to the voice,"No problem here. Not in Houston."

You see, I just want to take back Houston from all those arrogant delusional Cowboys fan. Can we at least start from there?

thunderkyss
12-04-2012, 06:17 PM
It's all about national airtime.

As long as the NFL/Netwoks broadcast the lesser Cowboys nationally over the greater Texans, Cowgirls will have the bigger following.

And before you start, the ratings excuse is a chicken/egg excuse. Broadcast the Texans ...... and they will come around.

I live in the Golden Triangle. The Texans game will be played here if the Cowboys & Texans are being broadcast on the same network. Family & friends go looking for sports bars whenever that happens.

But this is still Cowboy country. I agree with everyone here. A couple of Super Bowl in the next few years & the conversation may change. Until then, we're pretenders.

Nobody wants to follow pretenders.

Texan_Bill
12-04-2012, 07:45 PM
I didn't really like this article.

Even when the writer was trying to compliment the Texans, it seemed like he would take it back by jabbing at them.

The article kinda left the same taste in my mouth...

Screw it! What do I care? My first words as a child were "Cowgurls suck!!"

:stirpot:

infantrycak
12-04-2012, 08:42 PM
The article kinda left the same taste in my mouth...

Screw it! What do I care? My first words as a child were "Cowgurls suck!!"

:stirpot:

Who the f@#k are you trying to fool? They were "do you mind if I stick this in your thingy."

panamamyers
12-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Hate to say it, but it's about like the Longhorns and Aggies.
Longhorns would have to play below .500 ball for the next three decades, and the Aggies would have to win 4 or 5 national championships over that time....
Only then would the Aggies be within shouting distance of the Longhorns.

Texans would have to win 3 or 4 Super Bowls in the next few decades, try to capture the younger kids that are not ingrained into a team yet. Cowboys would have to hit rock bottom, much like the Raiders have done. Only then would it even be close.

ItsMyFault
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Cowboys fan base is too big. The value of that team has to be #1 in probably all of sports in this country. It's going to be hard to take over the state. Better that way anyway.

TexansJohn
12-04-2012, 10:52 PM
I don't care whether or not someone in San Antonio is a Cowboys fan and not a Texans fan. However, it irks me to no end when I see born-and-bred Houstonians that are Cowboys fans :mad::mad::mad::mad:

GP
12-04-2012, 10:56 PM
My dad was a long time Cowboy fan since he grew up in the DFW area. We moved to Houston in the early 90's and watched the Oilers, but mainly because they were the local team and it was pro football.

We followed the Cowboys pretty close during the dark years in Houston. However, when the Texans joined the league I forged a new NFL bond with MY team in MY city.

Since then I have watched the team slowly capture the hearts of the city (IE Titan fans that couldn't let go) and my dad as well.

Point being, my dad followed the cowboys during their true glory years when they were actually called Americas team and he has still found a place in his heart for our brand of football.

My dad is not a fan of Jerry Jones by the way.

Edit: I live in DFW now by the way and every game has been shown here this year except the 2 jags games. GOOD THING I BOUGHT SUNDAY TICKET THIS YEAR!!! :(

My dad keeps threatening to leave the Cowboys, has for the past two years now. He watches the Texans when it doesn't conflict with his Cowboys games on Sundays....he gets more excited talking to me about MY team than he does about his own team.

I keep trying to tell him he needs to make the switch, but he says he just can't do it. He wants to, but he can't.

I have a friend on Facebook who did the same thing a few weeks ago. He states on Facebook that he is seriously ready to bail on the Rangers and Cowboys, and "Does anybody have suggestions of NFL teams I can be a new fan of. Must be a great, clean cut organization." I immediately replied and told him he has no destiny as a Cowboys fan. His best plan would be to join us Texans fans because this team is ran like the old Cowboys were ran pre-Jerry Jones.

But he can't do it. HIS dad is a 'Boys fan, HE is a 'Boys fan. It's really inherited, IMO. These boys grow up watching their dad live and die by the Cowboys, so they can't walk away form it when THEY (that little kid from years and years ago) are old enough to walk away from it.

They need a 12-step program.

HoustonFrog
12-05-2012, 06:00 AM
My dad keeps threatening to leave the Cowboys, has for the past two years now. He watches the Texans when it doesn't conflict with his Cowboys games on Sundays....he gets more excited talking to me about MY team than he does about his own team.

I keep trying to tell him he needs to make the switch, but he says he just can't do it. He wants to, but he can't.

I have a friend on Facebook who did the same thing a few weeks ago. He states on Facebook that he is seriously ready to bail on the Rangers and Cowboys, and "Does anybody have suggestions of NFL teams I can be a new fan of. Must be a great, clean cut organization." I immediately replied and told him he has no destiny as a Cowboys fan. His best plan would be to join us Texans fans because this team is ran like the old Cowboys were ran pre-Jerry Jones.

But he can't do it. HIS dad is a 'Boys fan, HE is a 'Boys fan. It's really inherited, IMO. These boys grow up watching their dad live and die by the Cowboys, so they can't walk away form it when THEY (that little kid from years and years ago) are old enough to walk away from it.

They need a 12-step program.

See for me it wasn't my Dad. My Dad is from upstate NY. My Mom from Baltimore. She was a massive Colts fan. My Dad went to UH and met my Mom in Houston but never had a Cowboy connection. I'm the youngest of 5 and we moved to Ft. Worth when I was 1. By mid 70s I just learned football as a tyke and loved the local Cowboys. I may have been the only family member that wanted them to win in the old 70s Cowboy/Steelers games. Though some brothers may had become fans. But I have a connection because they are my team no matter who owns them. I'd never bail. My whole family eventually cheered for them but I felt like I was on an island as a kid. No matter how bad Jerry is , I'll hope for wins....or changes. I'm just not as crazy about it now and it doesn't affect my Sundays at much.

Why would your friend give up on the Rangers? I spent more than 3 decades waiting for them to do something and now they are finally run right and have done well...though crushing defeats.

Fred
12-05-2012, 06:13 AM
You forgot about Bud Adams.

They said the face not the arse.

Dawgnme
12-05-2012, 10:21 AM
I don't care whether or not someone in San Antonio is a Cowboys fan and not a Texans fan. However, it irks me to no end when I see born-and-bred Houstonians that are Cowboys fans :mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://www.riseandgrind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cosign-305x381.jpg

Dread-Head
12-05-2012, 10:36 AM
:dread: (playing ukelele) "Hakoona mattata....what a wonderful phrase!"

Titans Sux 72
12-05-2012, 01:32 PM
No big deal to me either. But I always thought if the organization wanted to appeal more to the state they would move training camp to San Antonio or Austin. The main reason Training Camp is held here was that the organization wanted to familiarize the upstart expansion team to its home fans. Well i think they are established here.
As of right now the Pokes do not hold camp in Texas ( why should they they own the state).

GP
12-05-2012, 01:44 PM
Why would your friend give up on the Rangers? I spent more than 3 decades waiting for them to do something and now they are finally run right and have done well...though crushing defeats.

He was mad at the way the Rangers fans treated Josh Hamilton in that whole dust-up last season, when there was speculation he might leave.

He didn't appreciate that such a large faction of Rangers fans would turn on him like that.

I don't care, but he did. As an Astros fan, I could only wish that THAT was our biggest problem. :cool:

HoustonFrog
12-05-2012, 01:50 PM
He was mad at the way the Rangers fans treated Josh Hamilton in that whole dust-up last season, when there was speculation he might leave.

He didn't appreciate that such a large faction of Rangers fans would turn on him like that.

I don't care, but he did. As an Astros fan, I could only wish that THAT was our biggest problem. :cool:

Honestly, Hamilton deserved some of it. The dude is a strange cat and there are times when everyone is on Hamilton time. Yeah, he is a top of the line, great MLB player. He can put up numbers like a Sega game. But he can also loaf, swing at bad pitches for weeks at a time, quit tobacco in the middle of a season where it admittedly screwed up his head, drink too much caffeine where it screws up his eyesight and drop popflys in the biggest games of the year and then act like he doesn't care. The guy is all over the place. Plus, it isn't like the team turned on him..just some fans. That doesn't reflect on the team.