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digitalswim
12-02-2012, 03:31 PM
This is getting ridiculous and this is not some knee jerk reaction crap. Something is going to have to change schematically because our current strategy clearly isn't working.

These guys are getting smoked if the pass rush doesn't get there in a nano second. Wait until we play quality QB's and WR's in the playoffs.

CretorFrigg
12-02-2012, 03:36 PM
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

Hagar
12-02-2012, 03:41 PM
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone?

Because playing man-to-man allows us to send all the free linebackers to get pressure on the QB. The strength of the defense is the front seven. This is especially true now that J.Joseph is out.

silvrhand
12-02-2012, 03:45 PM
This is getting ridiculous and this is not some knee jerk reaction crap. Something is going to have to change schematically because our current strategy clearly isn't working.

These guys are getting smoked if the pass rush doesn't get there in a nano second. Wait until we play quality QB's and WR's in the playoffs.

We play a high risk, high reward defense. which when you have most of your starting LB, and one corner down, we are definitely not the same we were early in the year.

SW H-TOWN
12-02-2012, 03:50 PM
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

I have to agree. I don't think the problem has to do with personnel. When all of our guys are healthy I see us as having a good secondary. Joseph and Manning are really good. Jackson seems to not be playing as well today as he did against Megatron but I will cut him some slack due to his performance as a whole this year.

CretorFrigg
12-02-2012, 04:11 PM
We play a high risk, high reward defense. which when you have most of your starting LB, and one corner down, we are definitely not the same we were early in the year.

And when you have different personnel in, you've got to adjust.

LikeMike
12-02-2012, 04:15 PM
Losing JoJo is huge, because it moves every other CB up... Losing Ball and McCain as well means we are in trouble. That's playing without CB #1, 3, 4...

If JoJo can come back and be his old self again we should be fine!

srrono
12-02-2012, 04:17 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Brice McCain on crutches with a boot on his left foot. #Texans better hope Joseph is ready for Monday.

srrono
12-02-2012, 04:19 PM
Losing JoJo is huge, because it moves every other CB up... Losing Ball and McCain as well means we are in trouble. That's playing without CB #1, 3, 4...

If JoJo can come back and be his old self again we should be fine!

With HOU being this weak at CB due to injuries NE will come out and run 4&5wr sets and expose our weakness this is what they do.

CloakNNNdagger
12-02-2012, 04:20 PM
We tend to steal one of our safeties to stay up front to protect the run.

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 04:20 PM
Not to toot my own horn, but I said Kareem isn't ready to be a #1. He's still got a lot to learn & is still best facing the QB.

I was tempted earlier to post a thread giving the secondary props at the end of the first Qtr. They looked good. Harris, Kareem, McCain, Quin, all got hands on the ball... passes defensed & made good plays. Maning had that one where he had perfect position, had a hand on the ball, just wasn't strong enough to keep that big TE from securing the catch.

But damn. When they tested us deep..... hot garbage is about right.

The thing about it, was Locker didn't have to hold the ball long either for the deep ball. He put plenty of air under it, there was no safety anywhere. Kareem Jackson beat, just throw it out there.

Don't get me wrong, throughout the game they all made plays. It was good to see. But they got abused as well.

Lurvinator11
12-02-2012, 04:24 PM
I have a bad feeling that McCain either fractured his foot, or tore his Lisfranc.

Any word on some FA CBs?

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 04:25 PM
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

We don't have the LBs to play Zone. Been a problem of ours for a long time. Generally speaking we've had very good play making LBs. But they're usually thumpers. Demeco.... thumper, Cush... thumper, Sharpton, Dobbins..... thumper.

Their best game is attacking the LOS, getting after the QB & anybody who happens to be back there. We talked about Demeco playing sideline to sideline, & Cush, sideline to sideline. But when an offense stretches the field more than 7 or 8 yards, our LBs have always been a liability.

I will say though, Barwin & Rudd may change that. They appear to understand man, zone, & route recognition.

GP
12-02-2012, 04:28 PM
I don't think it's that big of a deal. Sometimes a QB and his WR are going to make great plays.

We've got an offense that's capable of scoring on every possession, but they have multiple possessions where they stall out and punt...putting our defense back onto the field.

The defense sacked the QB all day. Shut down their RB. Caused multiple interceptions, multiple fumbles. Deflected passes all day. Had great coverage on several pass plays.

I won't let a few pass plays convince me this is hot garbage.

DX-TEX
12-02-2012, 04:29 PM
With HOU being this weak at CB due to injuries NE will come out and run 4&5wr sets and expose our weakness this is what they do.

Edelman was in a boot after Pats game

Tailgate
12-02-2012, 04:30 PM
Losing McCain is nothing.

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 04:31 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Brice McCain on crutches with a boot on his left foot. #Texans better hope Joseph is ready for Monday.

I don't know about that. Roc & Harris looked pretty good for their first time out. I know it's New England & we want to win this game.

But to me, it is more important to Jjo healthy for when it really matters. Maybe we won't beat New England without him. But I think our chances are good enough against Minnesota & Indy.

Not that I know he will be healthy in 4 weeks. I don't. But if I'm GK, if he isn't 100%, if he feels a little soreness, if he walks with a little limp, if he's not running at top speed & favoring that groin..... he sits.

I wouldn't "force" him into a game until the play-offs started.

Lurvinator11
12-02-2012, 04:33 PM
Losing McCain is nothing.

We need him for depth.

Look what happened when he went out today.

DocBar
12-02-2012, 04:38 PM
I don't know about that. Roc & Harris looked pretty good for their first time out. I know it's New England & we want to win this game.

But to me, it is more important to Jjo healthy for when it really matters. Maybe we won't beat New England without him. But I think our chances are good enough against Minnesota & Indy.

Not that I know he will be healthy in 4 weeks. I don't. But if I'm GK, if he isn't 100%, if he feels a little soreness, if he walks with a little limp, if he's not running at top speed & favoring that groin..... he sits.

I wouldn't "force" him into a game until the play-offs started.You mean looked good despite the penalties? Harris had about 3 and Roc at least 1. I think penalties were the biggest issue today, along with having half of the defense being new starters.

76Texan
12-02-2012, 04:40 PM
Secondary is garbage.
No pass rush except for Watt
LBs can't cover.
People gas them running up the middle all day.
Just spread the Texans out and destroy them.

Schaub sucks.
What's wrong with Foster.
AJ too old; Walter can't get separation.
Dreessen is missed.
We need Vonta.
Right side of O-line will hurt Texans this year.

Fire Marciano.
Graham can't make that kick.
What's that LS doing on the roster.

11-1 baby! :texanbill:

Hervoyel
12-02-2012, 04:42 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Brice McCain on crutches with a boot on his left foot. #Texans better hope Joseph is ready for Monday.

I am not happy to hear this but if Joseph comes back we'll be ok. We probably lose in New England regardless but Brice McCain borders on worthless to begin with (which says volumes about Harris and Carmichael because McCain is still playing before them).

Without Joseph we're dead in the playoffs. That's just a simple fact.

Thorn
12-02-2012, 04:42 PM
if the Texans secondary is really hot garbage, how come we're 11-1?

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 04:47 PM
You mean looked good despite the penalties? Harris had about 3 and Roc at least 1. I think penalties were the biggest issue today, along with having half of the defense being new starters.

The penalties are our own fault. We've had opportunities to get these guys in the game for at least two years, but didn't. They're going full-speed for the first time, snap after snap, play after play & not taking a breather in between

It's going to happen. They got it on tape, they'll talk about it, but chances are it's a big deal to both of them & they're thinking about it right now.

Again, I don't care if we loose 59 to 3 against the Pats. We'll be 11-2. I like our chances with both Roc & Harris against the Colts, Vikings, & Colts, we can forfeit that last game & finish 13-3 & have a good chance to win it if we need to be 14-2.

We need a healthy Jjo after our bye week, when the games really matter.

& yes, if we're playing that last game to secure the second seed, I'd still sit Jjo if he's not 100%. I'd force him into the game if we're playing Wild-Card weekend.

Not too worried about Brooks, I think our LBs are going to be better without him in the starting line-up. As long as everyone stays healthy, I'm not trying to force him into the game.

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 04:50 PM
I am not happy to hear this but if Joseph comes back we'll be ok. We probably lose in New England regardless but Brice McCain borders on worthless to begin with (which says volumes about Harris and Carmichael because McCain is still playing before them).

Without Joseph we're dead in the playoffs. That's just a simple fact.

Really, despite the obvious errors, I'm liking what I'm seeing from both Harris & Roc over what we've seen from McCain. May look a little skewed since we're watching Roc & Brandon screw up, but their screw ups "equal" McCains alone.

When Jjo comes back, it'll only be one or the other out there screwing up, which I think will be less than McCain.

TexanBacker93
12-02-2012, 04:54 PM
Losing JoJo is huge, because it moves every other CB up... Losing Ball and McCain as well means we are in trouble. That's playing without CB #1, 3, 4...

If JoJo can come back and be his old self again we should be fine!

Exactly.

I was actually impressed with the D considering they were down 3 of their original 4 starting linebackers and 3 of their top 4 CBs.

They still gave up plays and that's not a good thing, but if the O could have produced a decent drive once in the 2nd half it might have made a difference. We can't live with 10 Donnie Jones punts a game. That's inexcusable for an offense with this much talent.

Hervoyel
12-02-2012, 04:55 PM
Really, despite the obvious errors, I'm liking what I'm seeing from both Harris & Roc over what we've seen from McCain. May look a little skewed since we're watching Roc & Brandon screw up, but their screw ups "equal" McCains alone.

When Jjo comes back, it'll only be one or the other out there screwing up, which I think will be less than McCain.


I hope you're right. I think we've seen McCain's best and we've got four more games to try and find out if Harris or Carmichael can do as well or better.

EllisUnit
12-02-2012, 04:58 PM
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

HMMMM dont know what yall were seeing but to me when we were playing nearly 100% man early in the game we were shutting them down, Then in the 4th we go to this safe defense and give up 15, 20 every play. Havent we all come to expect this when we get a lead ?

76Texan
12-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Not to toot my own horn, but I said Kareem isn't ready to be a #1. He's still got a lot to learn & is still best facing the QB.

I was tempted earlier to post a thread giving the secondary props at the end of the first Qtr. They looked good. Harris, Kareem, McCain, Quin, all got hands on the ball... passes defensed & made good plays. Maning had that one where he had perfect position, had a hand on the ball, just wasn't strong enough to keep that big TE from securing the catch.

But damn. When they tested us deep..... hot garbage is about right.

The thing about it, was Locker didn't have to hold the ball long either for the deep ball. He put plenty of air under it, there was no safety anywhere. Kareem Jackson beat, just throw it out there.

Don't get me wrong, throughout the game they all made plays. It was good to see. But they got abused as well.

So who are the 32 CBs in this league that you consider as better than Jackson?

76Texan
12-02-2012, 05:03 PM
When we play zone under R Smith & Bush, people complaint about it.

Wade is a guy who prefers man coverage a major portion of the time and people wants him to go zone ! :thinking:

EllisUnit
12-02-2012, 05:05 PM
So who are the 32 CBs in this league that you consider as better than Jackson?

Agree i only saw 1 bad play by KJ today on the long Td where he got beat, but i saw him make A LOT of good plays.

76Texan
12-02-2012, 05:09 PM
Agree i only saw 1 bad play by KJ today on the long Td where he got beat, but i saw him make A LOT of good plays.

I need to rewatch that; I think perhaps he was gambling on an inside route and was wanting to have an early jump and couldn't recover.

Premier
12-02-2012, 05:10 PM
we have the dbs good enough to play man, not a ton of teams can do that. jax game had a limping jjo, lions game had ball on megatron for a half, and todays game no jjo or mccain, and the titans scored 10 points.. we will need a healthy jjo against brady. thankfully no gronk for this game..

Texn4life
12-02-2012, 05:12 PM
I need to rewatch that; I think perhaps he was gambling on an inside route and was wanting to have an early jump and couldn't recover.

That's what I saw too. Don't forget he jumped a slant route and took it to the house last time we played the Titans. I think he thought they were going back to that route and gambled. It happens.

EllisUnit
12-02-2012, 05:13 PM
I need to rewatch that; I think perhaps he was gambling on an inside route and was wanting to have an early jump and couldn't recover.

possibly but regardless he still got beat, not hating on him he made way more good plays today than bad, but he looked inside, the WR went outside and KJ couldnt catch up. So all in all he still got beat. BUT he had a damn good day other than that one play

Texn4life
12-02-2012, 05:15 PM
You guys are rough man. We played the majority of the game with 2 guys in the secondary who haven't been on the field all year. I guess we have to find something to complain about.

TEXANRED
12-02-2012, 05:15 PM
This is getting ridiculous and this is not some knee jerk reaction crap. Something is going to have to change schematically because our current strategy clearly isn't working.

These guys are getting smoked if the pass rush doesn't get there in a nano second. Wait until we play quality QB's and WR's in the playoffs.

We are down to our 4th string CB. What do you expect.

JJO, Ball, McCain, hurt.

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 05:19 PM
So who are the 32 CBs in this league that you consider as better than Jackson?

For the years where Dunta started for this team, we didn't have a #1. Same thing happens all over the league. Just because McCain started today, doesn't make him a #2 any more than it makes Kareem a #1

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 05:25 PM
Agree i only saw 1 bad play by KJ today on the long Td where he got beat, but i saw him make A LOT of good plays.

He made some plays. I'm not denying that. Brandon Harris made some plays. Roc Carmichael made some plays. But their "mistakes" makes them a wash.

If Kareem had made an INT on that play where Brit grabbed his helmet.... I'd say that would make up for the "mistakes"

That was perfect coverage by the way & if he could have located that ball.... man.... that would have been sweet.


That's what I saw too. Don't forget he jumped a slant route and took it to the house last time we played the Titans. I think he thought they were going back to that route and gambled. It happens.

He jumped a post route today & broke up a sure TD.

76Texan
12-02-2012, 05:32 PM
possibly but regardless he still got beat, not hating on him he made way more good plays today than bad, but he looked inside, the WR went outside and KJ couldnt catch up. So all in all he still got beat. BUT he had a damn good day other than that one play

When I said "couldn't recover", it automatically means "got beat".

But I remember somebody said once that it's good to see a guy gamble once in a while.

He got credited for 2 PDs and was on the tail of the receivers many times, not allowing them time and space to adjust to the throw.

He was solid in tackling, too.

Overall, I would say he had a decent day.

EllisUnit
12-02-2012, 05:37 PM
When I said "couldn't recover", it automatically means "got beat".

But I remember somebody said once that it's good to see a guy gamble once in a while.

He got credited for 2 PDs and was on the tail of the receivers many times, not allowing them time and space to adjust to the throw.

He was solid in tackling, too.

Overall, I would say he had a decent day.

I said he had a good day and made A LOT of plays, just noting he got beat once. You should know i would note that ;)

klockWork
12-02-2012, 05:37 PM
I wish Wade stop dialing so many blitz and leaving those cb's on an island. Most of our sacks and pressure come from 4 man rush. If Titans WRs hadn't drop so many passes on those blitz play we probably be playing our 3rd straight OTs.

But it was the offense that's most disappointing. 6+ in turnovers and they manage 1 score from it.

fiasco west
12-02-2012, 05:39 PM
Secondary is garbage.
No pass rush except for Watt
LBs can't cover.
People gas them running up the middle all day.
Just spread the Texans out and destroy them.

Schaub sucks.
What's wrong with Foster.
AJ too old; Walter can't get separation.
Dreessen is missed.
We need Vonta.
Right side of O-line will hurt Texans this year.

Fire Marciano.
Graham can't make that kick.
What's that LS doing on the roster.

11-1 baby! :texanbill:

All great points.

This team is just complete trash.

EllisUnit
12-02-2012, 05:41 PM
I wish Wade stop dialing so many blitz and leaving those cb's on an island. Most of our sacks and pressure come from 4 man rush. If Titans WRs hadn't drop so many passes on those blitz play we probably be playing our 3rd straight OTs.

But it was the offense that's most disappointing. 6+ in turnovers and they manage 1 score from it.

Well kubiak went into a shell EARLY in this one, and after AJ has the best 2 game stretch ever in the NFL the dont utilize him at all in this game. Didnt go down the field very often either, Next week he wont be able to go into a shell so should be a lot more interesting.

Jean looked good today, saw him on the field a lot today also. Thats encouraging.

GP
12-02-2012, 05:41 PM
I need to rewatch that; I think perhaps he was gambling on an inside route and was wanting to have an early jump and couldn't recover.

He was just trying to prevent the first down to the inside and he lost the gamble. There was a play later in the game when KJ took inside position on Britt inside the end zone and damn near picked it off. The 2010 KJ would have given that TD up very easily.

Not exactly a brain fart. I mean, no CB shuts out every single WR on every single play for an entire year. Not even for an entire game.

Whereas KJ was giving everything to WRs in 2010, this year it's the exact opposite but with the occasional great play by a QB-WR that any CB in the NFL would be challenged to stop. I wasn't even mad at KJ on that play. I also thought Demps, #27, should have shaded over more to the sideline than he did...he was late to the party, but then again it was just a great QB-WR play, IMO.

BullNation4Life
12-02-2012, 05:44 PM
He was just trying to prevent the first down to the inside and he lost the gamble. There was a play later in the game when KJ took inside position on Britt inside the end zone and damn near picked it off. The 2010 KJ would have given that TD up very easily.

Not exactly a brain fart. I mean, no CB shuts out every single WR on every single play for an entire year. Not even for an entire game.

Whereas KJ was giving everything to WRs in 2010, this year it's the exact opposite. I wasn't even mad at KJ on that play. I also thought Demps, #27, should have shaded over more to the sideline than he did...he was late to the party, but then again it was just a great QB-WR play, IMO.

This in bold. It looked like Demps was late over the top. Big Fing deal. How many time has that play happened this year, bet you can count them on one hand.

good throw, good catch, bad coverage, bad angle = TD for the tits and they still suck...

11-1 headed to Foxboro....

GP
12-02-2012, 05:45 PM
He made some plays. I'm not denying that. Brandon Harris made some plays. Roc Carmichael made some plays. But their "mistakes" makes them a wash.

If Kareem had made an INT on that play where Brit grabbed his helmet.... I'd say that would make up for the "mistakes"

That was perfect coverage by the way & if he could have located that ball.... man.... that would have been sweet.




He jumped a post route today & broke up a sure TD.

Brandon Harris had his hands all over his guy a lot. I loved the tight coverage, but he was just too amped up.

If he gets his legs underneath him, he can be really special because I like what I see out of him. His head isn't quite CORRECTLY telling his hands what to do, though. For me, that's just trying to get adjusted the game speed that's nothing like practice speed. Nothing like preseason game speed. Overall, IMO, Harris did pretty good. Not saying you said he was bad, just saying I thought he looked OK today.

TexCanada
12-02-2012, 05:46 PM
Do we know the extent of Ball's injury?

"Hot garbage" might be a bit a a hyperbole. Actually, its a total load of BS. We have a very solid secondary that can excel when the front 7 is playing as well as they can. I'm excited to see Harris and Carmichael as they get more comfortable out there.

GP
12-02-2012, 05:47 PM
This in bold. It looked like Demps was late over the top. Big Fing deal. How many time has that play happened this year, bet you can count them on one hand.

good throw, good catch, bad coverage, bad angle = TD for the tits and they still suck...

11-1 headed to Foxboro....

Teams dial those plays up when they're down 21 points. So, yeah, good for the Titans...but in the grand scheme of things, we were playing them everything up front and they slipped by us for a change. I agree with what you said.

GP
12-02-2012, 05:49 PM
Do we know the extent of Ball's injury?

"Hot garbage" might be a bit a a hyperbole. Actually, its a total load of BS. We have a very solid secondary that can excel when the front 7 is playing as well as they can. I'm excited to see Harris and Carmichael as they get more comfortable out there.

Let us not also forget that the refs were missing a lot of calls on BOTH sides today. Hot Garbage should be what we use to describe the refs.

Seemed like every time we held them on 3rd and long, the refs would throw the obligatory Get Out of Jail Free card for the Titans. It really was, at one point, obvious that the refs were trying to keep them in the game...trying to not let this be a blowout. And I'm not even joking.

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 05:52 PM
This in bold. It looked like Demps was late over the top. Big Fing deal.

He was the only safety back there. Looked like he was cheated to the other side (2 receivers) as if Kj was supposed to keep dude in front of him. If there is any play you don't cheat & jump the route, that's the one.

I don't know if we can blame Demps.... if I'm Van Joseph I'd be telling Kj, "Uh huh.. uh huh, what I tell you? what I tell you? You can't let this happen here, you're on your own.. you owe me a ball, no. You owe me a TD. Go get it!!"

GP
12-02-2012, 05:59 PM
He was the only safety back there. Looked like he was cheated to the other side (2 receivers) as if Kj was supposed to keep dude in front of him. If there is any play you don't cheat & jump the route, that's the one.

I don't know if we can blame Demps.... if I'm Van Joseph I'd be telling Kj, "Uh huh.. uh huh, what I tell you? what I tell you? You can't let this happen here, you're on your own.. you owe me a ball, no. You owe me a TD. Go get it!!"

Demps was playing pretty much center field, IIRC. He might not be the scape goat here, but I don't think KJ is either.

Maybe we just draw this one up as a WR option route where the Titans QB and WR felt out the play and for where Demps was shading, they were going flag route at the WR's break? I can't blame KJ for gambling on the inside there.

If the route stays inside, he stops it. If he gambles to the sideline, and the route went to the middle, he's getting torched anyways. And he can't tell where Demps is shading to anyways.

Good pitch and catch by the Titans, to me.

ItsMyFault
12-02-2012, 06:05 PM
Secondary has always been the weakest point of the defense, even with Joseph. Manning and Quin are solid, but not elite. Kareem is far from elite even with the great year he's having and Joseph had a great season last year, but with all the injuries he's had, he hasn't been as good either. The one thing I'll say about them though is that when the Texans have needed a stop, they've gotten one this season. The defense as a whole does a great job of that, and I'm slowly realizing that we don't need the defense to be dominant. Just need them to make plays when the team really needs them.

TheDream34
12-02-2012, 06:05 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I thought the secondary played pretty well today. And that's without Joseph. I mean most of Locker's yards came in the 4th quarter when the game was basically over.

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 06:29 PM
If the route stays inside, he stops it. If he gambles to the sideline, and the route went to the middle, he's getting torched anyways. And he can't tell where Demps is shading to anyways.


Wow.... tables have flipped, you're defending Kj.

I don't know what the defensive play call was. I don't know what Kj was supposed to do, what Demps was supposed to do. But it is feasible, I've seen play's where, the safety was supposed to give you a single high look, but actually play over the doubles side & let those corners play man under. Takes away the deep route & any come-back.

Your best corner in this situation would be asked to play on an island, to stay on top, not allow the big play. He should keep the reciever in front of him & not allow him to get past him. If the ball is thrown in front of him, he has to drive through the receiver & test how badly he really wants to catch that ball.

The way that play developed, that's what I thought I saw. Kj made no attempt to jam him at the line. Didn't try to "run with him" He kept it in front of him & instead of playing the receiver he gambled & chose wrong.

There's a time to gamble & a time not.

I could be wrong. We may never know. But that is something that all CBs will have to learn sooner or later. When they've got help & when they don't.

Damn........ my posts are super long too.

Marcus
12-02-2012, 06:49 PM
We'll see how HOT this thread gets next Monday night. :kitten:

TheMatrix31
12-02-2012, 06:53 PM
Injuries are tough to get through. Hopefully Joseph is there otherwise we're losing against New England.

jtexas
12-02-2012, 07:30 PM
The secondary was playing the ball really well in the first half. When the other team is down 20 points they have to throw it every down, the guys will get tired. The single high safety is also a gamble, but it at least creates some confusion compared to the prevent defense.

mussop
12-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Jeesh Rookie receiver DeVier Posey would have been next in line to play as a corner if the team needed someone extra. Seriously! (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/44338/as-they-expected-texans-are-in-playoffs)

thunderkyss
12-02-2012, 10:35 PM
Jeesh Rookie receiver DeVier Posey would have been next in line to play as a corner if the team needed someone extra. Seriously! (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/44338/as-they-expected-texans-are-in-playoffs)

getting thin.

Texan4Ever
12-02-2012, 10:38 PM
I think JJ Watt and the (sometimes) above average plays made by our front 7 is the reason why the DBs come away with picks. I can only imagine how badly KJ & Co. would get torched if it weren't for our blitzes and the pressure we put on opposing quarterbacks.

Texecutioner
12-02-2012, 11:15 PM
I wouldn't call our secondary garbage at all. If Joseph could get fully healthy, I think he shows more consistency. He still is a great player to me. I'm very happy with the improvement of Kareem Jackson and really like the direction he has been heading in. LIke someone said before, our defense makes a lot of big key stops when it really needs to. That's a great attribute. Manning and Quin are doing a pretty good job back there. It was just these last two games before today where the defense gave up a ton of points. I think that our defense should be fine come playoff time assuming that we don't get any major injuries.

NitroGSXR
12-02-2012, 11:52 PM
Need to regroup and do inventory...

What are their injuries and how long are they expected to be out?

DocBar
12-03-2012, 12:02 AM
The TV guys said it pretty well today. The D plays lights out on 65 out of 70 plays and gets burned for big plays on the other 5. That's the high risk/high reward D we have.

SteveSlaton20
12-03-2012, 03:46 AM
Our secondary was playing great until McCain left. We were playing with Kareem Jackson, Brandon Harris, and Roc Carmichael... 2 2nd year players who have had very little to no experiences and one 3rd year player. We're obviously going to need JoJo back, would love to have McCain back as well, but seeing he has a boot and crutches, hes probably out for Monday, so we're going to need Ball back as well. If Harris can play like he did in the first half, then I have no problem putting him out there.

Other than 2.5 drives, other secondary was solid. Not to mention our offense went to crap in the 2nd half so I think that contributed to how the secondary played in the 4th. If anyone thinks our secondary is garbage, then you need to go see a doctor because youre crazy.

rolyat93
12-03-2012, 03:52 AM
Kareem looked like a #1 today, same as pretty much the whole season so far.

Corrosion
12-03-2012, 05:27 AM
We play a high risk, high reward defense. which when you have most of your starting LB, and one corner down, we are definitely not the same we were early in the year.

They were down Three Corners.


J.Jo didnt dress , Ball didnt either , McCain got injured during the game.

Then add in Cushing , James and Reed out at the LBer spots .... thats significant.


Three of the top four corners and three of the four LBers to start the season yet they win on the road and give up 10 points .... and people want to complain.


As for the scheme and playing so much man coverage , I have no problem with it. The Titans never solved it and did nothing until late in the 4th quarter when they were forced to take chances.

Also it doesnt tip the Texans defenses hand giving other teams more film to evaluate exotic coverages.

The Pencil Neck
12-03-2012, 11:46 AM
Secondary is garbage.
No pass rush except for Watt
LBs can't cover.
People gas them running up the middle all day.
Just spread the Texans out and destroy them.

Schaub sucks.
What's wrong with Foster.
AJ too old; Walter can't get separation.
Dreessen is missed.
We need Vonta.
Right side of O-line will hurt Texans this year.

Fire Marciano.
Graham can't make that kick.
What's that LS doing on the roster.

11-1 baby! :texanbill:

msr

:bender:

76Texan
12-03-2012, 11:51 AM
All great points.

This team is just complete trash.

Hey if it takes whining for them to win, I gladly take it :)

I kinda like it though.

Keep the expectation high and them boys on Kirby on the narrow and straight.

Make them work hard all the time.

beerlover
12-03-2012, 11:56 AM
I thought both Harris & Roc played well given it was really their first significant minutes in the NFL. Both only second year players. Roc was put on IR as a rookie during camp so never even got any reps as a rookie. Harris was pretty tight in coverage, forced some small windows & contested jump balls. Only thing about him are these phantom penalties he seems to draw. Carmichael improved as game wore on when as his legs got under him. Really fierce tackler, like that strong lower body driving through his man. I would love to see how he tests out by strength & conditioning coach, pound per pound looks very strong :fostering:

76Texan
12-03-2012, 12:03 PM
I thought both Harris & Roc played well given it was really their first significant minutes in the NFL. Both only second year players. Roc was put on IR as a rookie during camp so never even got any reps as a rookie. Harris was pretty tight in coverage, forced some small windows & contested jump balls. Only thing about him are these phantom penalties he seems to draw. Carmichael improved as game wore on when as his legs got under him. Really fierce tackler, like that strong lower body driving through his man. I would love to see how he tests out by strength & conditioning coach, pound per pound looks very strong :fostering:

Agree!

I went back and rewatch the game a couple of time.

I like what I saw.

silentassassin
12-03-2012, 12:14 PM
Don't know if this was mentioned in the thread earlier, but consider this: After McCain left with the foot injury, Posey was in line to play DB if needed.

Fortunately, that wasn't the case. They still pulled out the W.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 12:42 PM
Don't know if this was mentioned in the thread earlier, but consider this: After McCain left with the foot injury, Posey was in line to play DB if needed.

Fortunately, that wasn't the case. They still pulled out the W.

That's what they say & all, but I'm sure Glover would have been moved to CB before Posey & Shilo would be the Joker.

dream_team
12-03-2012, 12:45 PM
I finally got to watch the game and I have no idea what started this thread!? Considering the circumstances, I thought the secondary played well.

Brandon & Roc have been on the inactive list majority of the season, and last night they were thrown into the fire... it was obvious those two guys were picked on the whole game. KJ (except for the one TD play) basically shut down Britt the whole game.

Not to mention, we're missing 3 of our starting LBers. I could also tell, in the 4th, when the Tits were going no-huddle, the DL was gassed and the pass rush wasn't as good as the rest of the game.

To me, it was very encouraging to see those guys get some minutes. But at the same time, we need everyone to come back soon!

Mr teX
12-03-2012, 01:06 PM
Seriously?

We were down to our 5 & 6th cb's having to play significant time due to injuries, what did what did you expect?

Considering the circumstances, I think they were pretty damn good. & at the end of the day, it was our original starting #2 cb & #2 FS that were burned for Tenn's only score. Hell, i don't even think Carmicheal or Harris have been active in 2 years of being on this team.

Some teams don't even have starters that play as well as those guys played yesterday....ask Tennessee.

Thorn
12-03-2012, 01:23 PM
Seriously?

We were down to our 5 & 6th cb's having to play significant time due to injuries, what did what did you expect?

Considering the circumstances, I think they were pretty damn good. & at the end of the day, it was our original starting #2 cb & #2 FS that were burned for Tenn's only score. Hell, i don't even think Carmicheal or Harris have been active in 2 years of being on this team.

Some teams don't even have starters that play as well as those guys played yesterday....ask Tennessee.

Exactly. Good post. Have some rep. :)

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 01:28 PM
...I have no idea what started this thread!? Considering the circumstances, I thought the secondary played well.

Brandon & Roc have been on the inactive list majority of the season, and last night they were thrown into the fire...

That's the thing right there. Some people have no clue. They think Dione Sanders was born intercepting passes, that either you got it or you don't.

Those same people expect their favorite college players to come into the league & shock the world right off the bat. Those players don't play on our team, so they watch us, & catch highlights of said favorite player.

Yeah, Patrick Willis was a beast from day one. So was Demeco, so was Cush. But they are exceptions to the rule. Even Watt wasn't the guy we see today until later into his rookie year.

I can't think of a corner to enter the league in the last 5 years or so to live up to his draft hype. But these guys, Harris & Roc, who haven't played any extended football for a year, are supposed to come in & be shutdown corners yesterday.

Not very realistic if you ask me.

76Texan
12-03-2012, 01:37 PM
I finally got to watch the game and I have no idea what started this thread!? Considering the circumstances, I thought the secondary played well.

Brandon & Roc have been on the inactive list majority of the season, and last night they were thrown into the fire... it was obvious those two guys were picked on the whole game. KJ (except for the one TD play) basically shut down Britt the whole game.

Not to mention, we're missing 3 of our starting LBers. I could also tell, in the 4th, when the Tits were going no-huddle, the DL was gassed and the pass rush wasn't as good as the rest of the game.

To me, it was very encouraging to see those guys get some minutes. But at the same time, we need everyone to come back soon!

Seriously?

We were down to our 5 & 6th cb's having to play significant time due to injuries, what did what did you expect?

Considering the circumstances, I think they were pretty damn good. & at the end of the day, it was our original starting #2 cb & #2 FS that were burned for Tenn's only score. Hell, i don't even think Carmicheal or Harris have been active in 2 years of being on this team.

Some teams don't even have starters that play as well as those guys played yesterday....ask Tennessee.
I think Locker threw for something like 226 yards in the last 4 drives, starting with some 3:30 left in the third. The game was no longer in doubt. Our offense didn't help the matter. We were playing a lot of scrubs out there. The Titans players couldn't afford to slack off; some of them have their job on the line, too

76Texan
12-03-2012, 01:39 PM
Exactly. Good post. Have some rep. :)

If you ever decide to give me some rep point, if you don't mind, I'll take some of the booze Brakos mentioned instead! :lol:

CloakNNNdagger
12-03-2012, 02:43 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Brice McCain on crutches with a boot on his left foot. #Texans better hope Joseph is ready for Monday.


http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/302145/350wm/P1160376-Woman_s_foot_in_high-heel_shoe,_X-ray-SPL.jpg

Tania is correct. Seeing McCain in this boot is not a good sign.......not a good sign at all.:kitten:

DocBar
12-06-2012, 09:38 AM
Has any of our members that rewatch the games a lot counted how many INT's the secondary has dropped this season? I cana think of 5 right off the top of my head with 2 of those coming against the Bronco's. It seems like they have dropped a bunch that hit them right in the hands.

76Texan
12-06-2012, 09:40 AM
Has any of our members that rewatch the games a lot counted how many INT's the secondary has dropped this season? I cana think of 5 right off the top of my head with 2 of those coming against the Bronco's. It seems like they have dropped a bunch that hit them right in the hands.

I remember Manning got hit in the nuts!:vincepalm:

Specnatz
12-06-2012, 11:52 AM
Has any of our members that rewatch the games a lot counted how many INT's the secondary has dropped this season? I cana think of 5 right off the top of my head with 2 of those coming against the Bronco's. It seems like they have dropped a bunch that hit them right in the hands.

There was 2 in the Detroit game including one in the endzone that became a TD.