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texan279
06-08-2005, 08:16 PM
Texans | Hollings No. 3 RB on Depth Chart - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:25:11 -0700

Carter Toole, of HoustonTexans.com, reports Houston Texans RB Tony Hollings is currently the No. 3 running back on the team's depth chart.
Texans | Hollings Feeling Good - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:30:11 -0700

Carter Toole, of HoustonTexans.com, reports Houston Texans RB Tony Hollings (hamstring) says he's feeling good and that his hamstring is in good shape. "I'm just trying to come out here and compete every day," said Hollins, who missed eight games in 2004 with a hamstring injury. "I want to show the coaches that I can be one of the vets they can count on."


Does this mean Wells is at #2 and Hollings is at #3 or is Morency our #2 and Wells is at FB or #4? I checked our depth chart and it shows Wells at #3 but our depth chart looks old....does anyone know?

wags
06-08-2005, 08:33 PM
Does this mean Wells is at #2 and Hollings is at #3 or is Morency our #2 and Wells is at FB or #4? I checked our depth chart and it shows Wells at #3 but our depth chart looks old....does anyone know?

Wells is currently #2. Don't worry though because Morency will be there by the time the season starts.

For now Hollings is third on the Texans' depth chart at running back, behind Domanick Davis and Jonathan Wells.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1722

texan279
06-08-2005, 08:42 PM
Wags, how do you think things will end up by the start of the season? Will it be Davis, Morency, and Hollings and Wells at FB/special teams or Davis, Morency, Hollings, and Wells?

wags
06-08-2005, 09:43 PM
Wags, how do you think things will end up by the start of the season? Will it be Davis, Morency, and Hollings and Wells at FB/special teams or Davis, Morency, Hollings, and Wells?

I think it will be:

Davis
Morency
Wells
Hollings

I give Wells the nod over Hollings because JW has special teams value. Hollings hasn't done anything except test out our medical staff.

Grid
06-08-2005, 10:05 PM
I think it will be:

Davis
Hollings
Morency

Hollings will get a chance to show if he is ready to be an RB in the NFL.. if he doesnt give 110% or gets injured again (even minor injuries) then him and Morency will switch positions.

Norris will be our starting fullback with Wells backing him up.

We will essentially have 4 possible RBs.. but Wells will be able to play backup FB and special teams.

Jwwillis
06-08-2005, 10:09 PM
Tricky question.

They will enter the season

Davis
Wells
Hollings
Morency

If Davis goes down early I'd bet they give Hollings his shot. Wells doesn't have the speed to run the plays designed for Davis. With Hollings they can use more of the normal playbook. Speaking of playbook, this is why I dont mention Morency. Capers has enough expierence at RB to avoid throwing in a rookie to start. Since Capers might have 1 play that goes to the full back, Im not sure why he would use Wells as a FB. All a FB does in Capers offense is block. Perhaps it would open up some play action stuff in the middle (Wells can catch right?). Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. One thing for sure, they ALL better be running ball stripping drills 3 hrs every day.

keyfro
06-08-2005, 10:10 PM
i don't think that's the way it'll go...remember capers likes the bigger back...i think it will be davis, morency, wells...and hollings waived

ojthecat
06-08-2005, 10:12 PM
remember capers likes the bigger back


That is not as I remember Capers RB's

Jwwillis
06-08-2005, 10:15 PM
And Palmer liked the run-n-shoot. Diffrent team. The zone blocking scheme was put in for Davis's style of running. It depends on a quick back to make quick decisions on cut back type runs. See above about playbook. Capers will give Hollings a shot before the rookie.

Grid
06-08-2005, 10:16 PM
Capers like a steady back.. the size really doesnt seem to come into the equation. I thought that Capers was a big back kinda guy too for a long time.. but ive come to realize that, really, he is a "whatever back fits" kinda guy. I mean.. he passed on some bigger backs to get Morency.. a DD clone.

I still think Davis, Hollings, Morency will be our lineup.. with Wells as a FB. Wells can block well enough to play backup fullback.. the main reason to put him at FB will be because he will provide depth at two positions, and is one of our best Special Teams players.

Grid
06-08-2005, 10:16 PM
oh.. and about us only having one FB play.. maybe with a FB like Wells in the backfield.. we will change that.

texasguy346
06-08-2005, 10:29 PM
I'll go with it shaking out like this.

RB: Davis, Morrency, Hollings

FB: Norris, Wells

This would mean Baxter wouldn't make the final roster. I think the Baxter and Wells battle will be an interesting one to watch.

Texansbacker
06-08-2005, 10:32 PM
If Hollings has truly turned the corner on his injuries and lack of performance then he could be used as a change of pace back to DD or Morency. I see DD and Morency as the same type back and probably interchangeable with the nod going to DD since he has proved he can perform at a very high level when healthy. Wells should go to fullback for his best chance of contributing and can always fill in as RB if we have a string of injuries. IMO

infantrycak
06-09-2005, 12:23 AM
I say it ends up like this:

Rb's: Davis, Morency, Hollings
and Fb's: Wells, and Baxter

im not impressed by the way Moran Norris plays and what im saying is release him before the '05 season. :highfive:

Norris has quietly become one of the better blocking FB's in the league. JMO but his job isn't in any jeopardy at all. Baxter on the other hand should be looking over his shoulder.

rittenhouserobz
06-09-2005, 06:39 AM
I can't remember who had the season-ending injury. Was it Norris or Baxter?
Either way, DD has stated how he has become comfortable with Norris blocking. Why would a coach break up the chemistry of a 1000-yard back?

RB's 1st 6 weeks:
DD
Hollings
Morency
RB's rest of the season:
DD
Morency
Hollings (hanging by a thread; he better show some flash n dash this year)

FB:
Norris
Wells

dalemurphy
06-09-2005, 08:42 AM
I think it was the Denver preseason game last year when Davis and Hollings both played. Anyway, on the openning drive Davis had something like 6 carries for 38 yards and looked great. He came out for a breather and Hollings took a toss and exploded for about a 30 yard TD down the left sideline.

If Hollings is healthy, I'm still hopeful that we'll being seeing more of that. I was certainly excited about those two going into last season.

infantrycak
06-09-2005, 08:48 AM
Here you go--Link (http://www.houstonprofootball.com/game/pre03.html)

Davis ran 28 yards and then Hollings came in to finish off the 1st drive and did it in one play with a 27 yd TD burst.

MojoMan
06-09-2005, 08:52 AM
Apparently many people here have forgotten, but Hollings was touted as at least as good of a prospect as Morency before being drafted by the Texans in the second round of the supplemental draft two years ago. However, Hollings came with two issues:

1. He was coming off of a season ending ACL Injury, and it would take him at least a year to recover.
2. He only played for one year in college - actually only part of a year. Despite his excellent showing during the games that he played, anyone who drafted him was expected to realize he was going to be on a steep learning curve, and that he would require an above average amount of time to mature and learn the NFL game.

With Dominick Davis perfoming well in the starting role, Hollings has not gotten a lot of playing time. Some may have taken that to mean that Hollings is not playing well. It is not clear to me that this is true. I would still not rule out Hollings taking over the starting spot at some point. I am not predicting this, but Davis has had a history of injuries, and if he gets injured again this year, the door to the starter's job will swing wide open. I do not believe that Davis will receive the deference that Carr does at QB - if Davis goes down for any significant length of time, he will have to fight to get his job back.

Morency may be the current fan favorite, but let's be realistic. Every year there are many who quickly begin prognosticating about how quickly the latest rookie sensation will take over the starting job at ______ position. It's fun to do this. I enjoy it, too. However, in this case, we appear to have four good quality NFL backs on the roster. According to the coaches, Wells is playing great. We may not have seen Tony Hollings best yet. Davis has been a solid starter, when healthy. Morency looked great at Oklahoma State last year.

This may be the most competitive position competition on the Texan's football team. We are all curious to see what the depth chart will look like at RB to begin the season. What may be more interesting, is to guess what it will look like at the end of the season. We could see some surprises here. The season ending depth chart could have these four backs in almost any conceivable order.

nunusguy
06-09-2005, 09:29 AM
Apparently many people here have forgotten, but Hollings was touted as at least as good of a prospect as Morency before being drafted by the Texans in the second round of the supplemental draft two years ago.
Tony Hollings had an outstanding but very mercurial career as a college RB who got a big recommendation from his head coach, formerly an NFL coach whose opinion Cass apparently held in very high regard. On the basis of that recommendation and Hollings's 4 game career (knee injury took him out for
the rest of the season), as a RB in college, Cass commited what is clearly his
worst mistake while with the Texans in terms of who to select with precious
college draft picks. After using a 2nd round pick on Hollings, his redemption, in the view of many fans, was picking up Dominick Davis with a 4th round pick.
The Davis pick was probably more dumb luck that an astute choice because
you have to ask yourself why Cass, or some other team ffor that matter, did not pick DD before the 4th round had they had any idea he would turn out this successful.

El Tejano
06-09-2005, 10:21 AM
This may be the most competitive position competition on the Texan's football team. We are all curious to see what the depth chart will look like at RB to begin the season. What may be more interesting, is to guess what it will look like at the end of the season. We could see some surprises here. The season ending depth chart could have these four backs in almost any conceivable order.

Well the WR position has its share of competition going on there except that Johnson is the only inked starter without any question. If you look at it, all of our skill positions except QB have a great amount of comp on the offensive end. That should take us a long way.

texasguy346
06-09-2005, 10:26 AM
I don't see a whole lot of competition at the TE spot. With Joppru looking at yet another season on IR it will likely be Bruener, Miller, and Rivers at TE. Depending on the OLine play Bruener will likely be the starter yet again.

infantrycak
06-09-2005, 11:02 AM
Tony Hollings had an outstanding but very mercurial career as a college RB who got a big recommendation from his head coach, formerly an NFL coach whose opinion Cass apparently held in very high regard. On the basis of that recommendation and Hollings's 4 game career ...

Hollings was also rated extremely highly by scouting services such as Blestoe. Casserly wasn't just relying on Chan Gailey's recommendation.

The Davis pick was probably more dumb luck that an astute choice because you have to ask yourself why Cass, or some other team ffor that matter, did not pick DD before the 4th round had they had any idea he would turn out this successful.

DD had been rated higher but slipped due to his 4.62 40 time at the combine--something that happens to RB's every year. Mike Shanahan told Casserly right after the draft that he got a great RB.

El Tejano
06-09-2005, 11:10 AM
Also, DDavis was a guy they were able to look at during the Senior Bowl and they really liked his WORK ETHIC. DDavis wasn't just a choice they made, he was drafted because of their familiarity with him and their research on him.

U4ikrob
06-09-2005, 02:47 PM
Hollings was also rated extremely highly by scouting services such as Blestoe. Casserly wasn't just relying on Chan Gailey's recommendation.



DD had been rated higher but slipped due to his 4.62 40 time at the combine--something that happens to RB's every year. Mike Shanahan told Casserly right after the draft that he got a great RB.


True - I remember hearing Hollings was rated pretty high coming out by some teams, but I dont recall hearing much about it later. I remember that draft - I was at the Park for the draft special. Alot of guys and some teams questioned the pick. Honestly in hindsight I felt like the other poster - it was not one of Casserley's best choices in all the drafts thus far. Honestly a guy with that many ??? we should have waited on and picked up in late rounds when we had extra and supllimental picks to burn. He reached to get him and got burned because of it. IMO Hollings has a whole lot to prove this year if he intends to stay on the Texans.

My picks for the RB Depth Chart

Davis
Hollings/Morency [switch back and forth this year]

Norris
Wells [Backup]


I agree - it will be interesting to see the end of the year depth chart :fishing:

nunusguy
06-09-2005, 02:55 PM
Mike Shanahan told Casserly right after the draft that he got a great RB.
And Shanahan and everyone else participating in making draft picks had the opportunity to draft Davis at anytime in the Draft prior to Cass when he picked him in the 4th round. Talk is cheap.

Tulip
06-09-2005, 05:04 PM
I wonder if they're basing it on the houstontexans.com depth chart, which still has Jamie Sharper and Aaron Glenn listed.

Vinny
06-09-2005, 05:22 PM
The depth chart listed is the 2004 end of year depth chart. People should not put any stock into pre-camp depth charts, there is a reason they don't list a current one in June.

bigtex77
06-09-2005, 05:23 PM
And Shanahan and everyone else participating in making draft picks had the opportunity to draft Davis at anytime in the Draft prior to Cass when he picked him in the 4th round. Talk is cheap.


Talk may be cheap but it has rushed for back to back 1000 yard seasons and won ROTY, hope we can find some more talk. I'll bet a whole lot of the teams that passed on DD would do things differently now.

nunusguy
06-09-2005, 05:49 PM
Talk may be cheap but it has rushed for back to back 1000 yard seasons and won ROTY, hope we can find some more talk. I'll bet a whole lot of the teams that passed on DD would do things differently now.
Talk is still cheap, hindsight is still 20/20, and my point is still valid - nobody,
including Cass, saw the full potential that Davis had else he would not have remained on the Board when the first day of that years draft concluded.

infantrycak
06-09-2005, 07:57 PM
Talk is still cheap, hindsight is still 20/20, and my point is still valid - nobody,
including Cass, saw the full potential that Davis had else he would not have remained on the Board when the first day of that years draft concluded.

There is no necessary logic to your assertion. Why would a GM who thinks a player will fall to the 6th take him in the 2nd even if he thinks he will play like a 2nd round pick?--it is easy to argue a smart one should wait until the 4th, 5th or even 6th round to get the best value. There is a gambling element to the draft. IMO DD falls into a category like Ragone--they didn't really set out to get him (just signed Mack) but once he was there in the 4th they said ooh we have him graded as a better player than that he is a great value there let's take him.

nunusguy
06-09-2005, 08:46 PM
Why would a GM who thinks a player will fall to the 6th take him in the 2nd even if he thinks he will play like a 2nd round pick?
Sorry, but I can't buy into your premis which appears to be that a single GM's judgement of player talent could be so superior to his 31 competitors that he correctly perceives 2nd round value in a certain player while all others don't have that player rated better than a 5th rounder. Or that the GM might be so foolish/arrogant to think his skills at identifying talent was that superior to competition.

Vinny
06-09-2005, 09:06 PM
Actually it happens like that all the time. Players grade out with superior play on the field but get knocked down in the draft pecking order due to speed or size or off field issues since each flaw represents a risk of sorts translating to the NFL level. Dom fell into the second day due to his 4.6 40's and fragile past. He left the SEC as one of the all time great kick returners and played quite well when on the field...so his field production wasn't his draft stock downfall.

bigtex77
06-09-2005, 09:09 PM
Talk is still cheap, hindsight is still 20/20, and my point is still valid - nobody,
including Cass, saw the full potential that Davis had else he would not have remained on the Board when the first day of that years draft concluded.

The other teams may have seen potential but were scared off by a slow 40 time, look at Clarett, if he blows up they'll be having the same things written about him.

infantrycak
06-09-2005, 09:16 PM
He left the SEC as one of the all time great kick returners and played quite well when on the field...so his field production wasn't his draft stock downfall.

Not to mention an incredible Sugar Bowl performance as a junior that looks exactly like the DD the Texans got.

GAME BALL GOES TO
LSU's Davis, who started for injured star LaBrandon Toefield and promptly rushed for 122 yards and a Sugar Bowl-record four touchdowns.
Link (http://espn.go.com/ncf/bowls01/sugar.html)

ArlingtonTexan
06-09-2005, 09:41 PM
Sorry, but I can't buy into your premis which appears to be that a single GM's judgement of player talent could be so superior to his 31 competitors that he correctly perceives 2nd round value in a certain player while all others don't have that player rated better than a 5th rounder. Or that the GM might be so foolish/arrogant to think his skills at identifying talent was that superior to competition.

Nuns as much as you follow the draft, I am surprised that you making such a statement. Every single year some guy goes in the 2nd or 3rd that Kipper, Ourlads, etc along with much of the NFL all think is barely draftable. Many GMs are that confident or even arrogant in their evaluations. If a GM goes against the grain and is right then he will successful. If he makes too many mistakes he will be pounding the pavement.

beerlover
06-09-2005, 10:08 PM
There is a gambling element to the draft. IMO DD falls into a category like Ragone--they didn't really set out to get him (just signed Mack) but once he was there in the 4th they said ooh we have him graded as a better player than that he is a great value there let's take him.

Now I know who to turn to get the inside scoop regarding the Texans war room operations and draft rational :heh:

stephen1
06-10-2005, 12:57 AM
hollings will be fourth on the depth chart but they will put him in and run screens to him

infantrycak
06-10-2005, 10:54 AM
The depth chart listed is the 2004 end of year depth chart. People should not put any stock into pre-camp depth charts, there is a reason they don't list a current one in June.

True, but now they have an article up on the main page listing him as 3rd behind DD and Wells and ahead of Morency. Of course that could change in training camp. Interesting though that they have a article dedicated to him up--don't think they would do that if he really was on the chopping block.

jppaul
06-10-2005, 07:17 PM
I hope he doesn't tear his ACL falling off the bench.

DRIFTAWAY
06-10-2005, 07:25 PM
heh funny