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Rey
11-30-2012, 01:00 PM
1) Dion Jordan, OLB, OREGON---6'6" 243 lbs


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/694/192/hi-res-5708768_crop_650.jpg?1350932872

I love him. I'd trade up to get him if needed. Really good athlete. Has shown good coverage out in the slot, good pass rusher from inside and outside. Good in run support. Very long and uses his hands well. Probably a little stronger than he looks. Increases the athleticism of this defense.



2) Robert Lester, SS, BAMA---6'2" 210 lbs

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1025/ncf_u_robert-lester_mb_400.jpg

Decent coverage skill, good in run support. Increases the athleticism of this defense. a bit bigger than our current safeties so he may do better against some of the TE's we have trouble with. Player that looks really good to me with room to grow. Would be a great addition to this defense.

3) Daniel McCullers, NT, Tennessee---6'6" 377lbs

http://media.govolsxtra.com/media/img/photos/2012/10/08/277632_t607.JPG

Doesn't move like a 377 pound human being. Shows surprising burst off the ball. Will likely have to lose some weight to be effective in the NFL for more than 1 or 2 plays at a time. But the guy looks really good from what I've watched. A specimen for sure.


3) Sean Porter, OLB/ILB, TAMU---6'2" 230 lbs

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/05/76/27/1566205/5/628x471.jpg

Played OLB for A&M in their 34 a year ago. Haven't seen him much this year. But I think he has the skillset to play WILB in Wades Defense and can line up outside sometimes to rush if needed. 6'2 230 pounds with room to add a little weight. Good speed, good agility, good in space and shows a burst when getting to the football.

4) KenJon Barner, RB/KR---5'11" 190 lbs

http://oregonduckfootballnews.com/images/KenjonBarnerButton11-28.png

Good Runner. Good Kick returner. Bolsters the RB position for the future and gives another KR/PR option. Very fast, good vision. Catches well.


5) Margus Hunt, DE, SMU---6'8" 275 lbs

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbBcXwMx7ItHL34iX4VX-Zi_JbutAmW4rmaNzcWC_8kR_QG4vd

Freak. (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-07-15/margus-hunt-smu-college-football-estonia-track-and-field)

Hunt, a 6-8, 275-pound monster from Estonia with 4.6 40 speed and incredible strength, hadn’t played football before arriving in Dallas. But he walked on as a freshman and made an immediate special-teams impact—he blocked seven kicks that season, one short of the NCAA record—and has developed into a nearly unstoppable defensive end.


Will probably rise after the combine...But I'd still look to grab him and let him learn behind the guys we have.

Rey
11-30-2012, 01:00 PM
5) Johnny Adams, CB, Michigan STATE---5'11" 178 lbs


http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/25/files/2011/12/Adams.jpg?4c1d59

Just a good overall player IMO. Hard nosed. Good in man and zone coverage. Not overly flashy, but gets the job done. Has come up with a few picks as a college ball player, but the thing I like most is how he attacks QB's on blitzes and RB's on runs. The guy is a baller. I don't see McCain back here next year and this guy would bolster the CB position.



6) Corey Fuller, WR, VA Tech---6'2" 196 lbs

http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0913/ncf_u_coreyfuller_ah_600.jpg

Low 4.4 guy, good size. Transfer guy that walked onto the football team. Ran track before playing football but this is his second year and he has been productive. I really like this guy as a late round prospect.

7) Manase Foketi, OT, West Texas A&M---6'5" 320 lbs

http://pfw.s3.amazonaws.com/prospects/actionshot_555797.jpg


Started off at Kansas State. Went through an ugly divorce with the school and Eventually wound up in Texas. Played left tackle. Has good feet and good strength. Big time project but the ability is there. Needs help with technique.

Some measurements from his junior pro day (http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/manase-foketi-57/)

Rey
11-30-2012, 02:04 PM
OK...Let 'er rip....

beerlover
11-30-2012, 02:12 PM
Like it! Will post detailed feedback when time allows. However thing that jumps out is fact you have two/different Ducks in your mock. Really like all four & you have them projected about right :specnatz:

Wolf6151
12-01-2012, 01:55 AM
JMO:

1. Jordan, very good player and athlete with tons of potential but I don't think OLB is even close to a 1st round need even if we lose Barwin to FA. Like the player but not the pick for the Texans. I think he's a bit of a project player since he needs to add some bulk and thus don't think he's a 1st rounder.
2. Lester, this pick and the Jordan pick tell me that you think we're losing Barwin and Quin to FA, again another very good player but I just don't see the need since I think we re-sign Quin. If we do lose Quin to FA then this is an excellent pick.
3. McCullers, this is the only pick I really have trouble with. He's way to tall for the NT position in the NFL where leverage is so important. OG/C will easily get under his pads and stand him up and move him around. NT is a game of leverage and this guys going to lose that battle.
3. Porter, I like him at WILB and good size for the position. Good pick.
4. Barner, I'll have to trust you on this one, I haven't looked at RB's.
5. Hunt, I like him as depth at DE since we don't know if Jamison will come back from the achilles injury or not. His size at DE offers lots of potential at the position. Good pick, good round. I haven't seen him play. How athletic or stiff is he?
5. Adams, I like him alot and had him in my most recent mock. Good size, speed, and athleticism for CB. I think we lose McCain to FA and Harris will move up to nickle, Adams then fills his spot as CB depth where he can learn for a yr. or so. I'd take him in the 4th though due to the premium put on CB's in the draft. If he's still available, it's a great pick and great value.
6. Fuller, I like this pick, good WR depth late in the draft, good value down here.
7. Foketi, I never heard of him but I like the position chosen, don't know anything about him.

Rey
12-01-2012, 09:11 AM
JMO:

1. Jordan, very good player and athlete with tons of potential but I don't think OLB is even close to a 1st round need even if we lose Barwin to FA. Like the player but not the pick for the Texans. I think he's a bit of a project player since he needs to add some bulk and thus don't think he's a 1st rounder.
2. Lester, this pick and the Jordan pick tell me that you think we're losing Barwin and Quin to FA, again another very good player but I just don't see the need since I think we re-sign Quin. If we do lose Quin to FA then this is an excellent pick.
3. McCullers, this is the only pick I really have trouble with. He's way to tall for the NT position in the NFL where leverage is so important. OG/C will easily get under his pads and stand him up and move him around. NT is a game of leverage and this guys going to lose that battle.
3. Porter, I like him at WILB and good size for the position. Good pick.
4. Barner, I'll have to trust you on this one, I haven't looked at RB's.
5. Hunt, I like him as depth at DE since we don't know if Jamison will come back from the achilles injury or not. His size at DE offers lots of potential at the position. Good pick, good round. I haven't seen him play. How athletic or stiff is he?
5. Adams, I like him alot and had him in my most recent mock. Good size, speed, and athleticism for CB. I think we lose McCain to FA and Harris will move up to nickle, Adams then fills his spot as CB depth where he can learn for a yr. or so. I'd take him in the 4th though due to the premium put on CB's in the draft. If he's still available, it's a great pick and great value.
6. Fuller, I like this pick, good WR depth late in the draft, good value down here.
7. Foketi, I never heard of him but I like the position chosen, don't know anything about him.

Well this is my thinking with the first two picks.

Our defense hasn't been that great as of late. Quinn is a nice player and I want him back. But he has limitations. He struggles with big te's in coverage. But I'm not saying start this guy over Quinn. We play three safeties a lot. Lester would be a good replacement in the case of an injury, but even if no one is injured be will still see plenty snaps in regular defensive sets and on special teams. He adds athleticism and versatility to our defense.

And maybe with his size and athleticism maybe we can groom him for that joker role that Quinn plays when we go with three safeties.

As for for Jordan....did I mention I love his game? I wouldn't bring barwin back. That's tough for me to say, because I do think barwin is a good player. I actually think be is a better player than reed and if there was a way to trade reed and keep barwin at a reasonable contract to play solb then I'd do it.

But on to Jordan....the guy is a versatile player. Again, IMO, adding him and Lester to this defense along with some of the other guys I mentioned would infuse is with young, athletic talent.

I see Jordan as a guy that would play solb primarily because he can drop into coverage and would easily be our best coverage Olb. I've seen this guy out in the slot covering te's in man press technique. Surprisingly fluid with good feet in coverage. At 6'6" with that kind of wiry athleticism he too could help cover some of those big te's we have trouble with. I also see him on the strong side because he's good against the run.

He uses those long arms to keep blockers out of his body and he's stronger than he looks. Doesn't stay engaged with linemen for long. Once he diagnoses a play he's shedding the lineman and going to the ball. He's a better player than Brooks reed. And I think he can easily surpass barwin.

And I've watched him on film and I didn't see him take plays off. He's a high motor guy and I dont know of any major character issues either.

And the thing is he can also slide over to the weak-side if need be to be a primary pass rusher. I've seen him lined up in the middle and at de with his hand in the dirt.

Our olb's have been underwhelming this year. It's no secret that I'm not a big merciless fan, but I don't think this pick would jeopardize his growth. I see this move as maybe they can both be our future starters...definitely see Jordan as a future starter.

Regarding need, I think we direly need more from the Olb position. They still have a ways to go to reverse some of the opinions about them but if barwin has a good post season which puts him I the market for big money that's even more reason to let him go.

The way we are set up, this defense needs a bunch of high end talent whereas our offense can thrive with players that simply fit what they do.

I think we can come back with virtually the same offense next year and I'd be 100 percent fine with that. Your young o linemen with all that upside will have had one more year in the system...newton, Brooks, jones...and your young wr's will not be rookies anymore. Andre is still going to be good next year and walter will still be a good player. The young guys should start contributing more. Bring Casey back, Grahm should be back...foster, Tate if you want him...I drafted a rb that is capable as well...

But the way we want to play with our defense smothering people and our offense methodically going about their business...I think these guts are a need and would be assets....

The NT...he is tall...but so were those two guys Jacksonville had a while back...watt is pretty tall to and he does ok when he's inside because he plays with good pad level. If he keeps his pads down he'll be fine. Plus the dude is literally almost 400 lbs. Even if he was in a wheel barrow that's a lot of weight to move around multiple times during a game.

Running plays up the middle would be a whole lot harder. He's not some big do nothing either. Big boy moves well. Watch some clips of him on YouTube.

Marcus hunt. I like him a lot. He's going to be a bit of a project because he's kind of new to football. But the first time I saw him at was last year and he jumps of the screen. 1) he dominates o linemen, 2) his freakish size and athleticism are hard to miss.

I think he also blocked a kick that game. But no he's not stiff. Moves well, does a good job staying low...but he needs some technique...

I think these guys would help us in making another superbowl run next year. I think they'd make us a whole lot better on defense and with luck in our division we'd have some young defenders to grow as he grows.

Bubbajwp
12-01-2012, 09:19 AM
I really like the Mock overall but I personally dont think Robert Lester is there for us at the end of the second round. Maybe we get some comp picks and trade up 10-15 spots for him.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 09:39 AM
This is the catch , if he's closer to Aldon Smith or Jason Pierre-Paul he won't be there . If he's there , like Whitney M , then there's a reason . I agree that Barwin and Quinn will not be resigned . I think Cody is a FA also .

I think , like your draft that they have a base for the defense and they can bring in rookies for less money and eventually get better . I do like the fact you look for athletic guys to groom .

beerlover
12-01-2012, 10:26 AM
Alabama vs Georgia this afternoon will be sure to watch Lestar. Georgia QB Murray likes to throw it up, ala Brees so will see exactly how good he is in coverage. Also check out Bama RT Flucker both me & Doppleganger have him mocked to Texans 2nd rd. Later tonight my #1 player prospect for Texans, Xavier Rhodes, FSU play against Georgia Tech in ACC Championship on ESPN.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 10:27 AM
What about this guy in the 2nd ? Watching him run that dummy drill , dudes got a smooth gait . That and he threw the blocking sled over . If he can't play OLB , put 20 lbs on him .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUa5XMyMzxE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFYELG3ItAk

beerlover
12-01-2012, 01:05 PM
What about this guy in the 2nd ? Watching him run that dummy drill , dudes got a smooth gait . That and he threw the blocking sled over . If he can't play OLB , put 20 lbs on him .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUa5XMyMzxE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFYELG3ItAk

You would have to sub Ansah for Jordan with the first pick :cool:

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 01:44 PM
You would have to sub Ansah for Jordan with the first pick :cool:

Ansah plays a lot heavier than Jordan . I think you need that strength as an OLB in a 3/4 .

Rey
12-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Ansah plays a lot heavier than Jordan . I think you need that strength as an OLB in a 3/4 .

He doesn't look like a 34 Olb to me in the NFL.

He looks like a DE...definitely very strong...would not be upset with the pick at all, but he looks like a d lineman and not an Olb.

at 6'6" 270"lbs I think he could play de in wades system. Bulk up a little bit and he and Jj watt could give offenses headaches.

I still like Jordan more, but wouldn't be upset at all with ansah.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 02:20 PM
He doesn't look like a 34 Olb to me in the NFL.

He looks like a DE...definitely very strong...would not be upset with the pick at all, but he looks like a d lineman and not an Olb.

at 6'6" 270"lbs I think he could play de in wades system. Bulk up a little bit and he and Jj watt could give offenses headaches.

I still like Jordan more, but wouldn't be upset at all with ansah.

Haven't seen a bunch of Jordan but what I did see , I thought he was more finesse .

beerlover
12-01-2012, 02:43 PM
He doesn't look like a 34 Olb to me in the NFL.

He looks like a DE...definitely very strong...would not be upset with the pick at all, but he looks like a d lineman and not an Olb.

at 6'6" 270"lbs I think he could play de in wades system. Bulk up a little bit and he and Jj watt could give offenses headaches.

I still like Jordan more, but wouldn't be upset at all with ansah.

Wade would use Ansah just like he used Mario Williams @ OLB :cool:

Rock N Randy
12-01-2012, 03:24 PM
Pretty much a defensive draft. Not very realistic.

You have OLB that are 235 which are more 43 backers or mainly Tampa 2 backers. A huge NT which is uncertain in our scheme.

And are top 4 picks are all defense. when are offense needs depth and help more.

I like most of the players selected but I don't see them as texans.

badboy
12-01-2012, 06:26 PM
Pretty much a defensive draft. Not very realistic.

You have OLB that are 235 which are more 43 backers or mainly Tampa 2 backers. A huge NT which is uncertain in our scheme.

And are top 4 picks are all defense. when are offense needs depth and help more.

I like most of the players selected but I don't see them as texans.Interesting comment in bold but I am asking you to defend you POV and explain why by position, please.

Rey
12-01-2012, 07:59 PM
Pretty much a defensive draft. Not very realistic.

You have OLB that are 235 which are more 43 backers or mainly Tampa 2 backers. A huge NT which is uncertain in our scheme.

And are top 4 picks are all defense. when are offense needs depth and help more.

I like most of the players selected but I don't see them as texans.

Last year was about as offensive heavy of a draft that we've had under kubiak.

I wouldnt get used to that.

We don't have a lot of turnover on offense usually. Last year losing briesel and Winston was pretty rare. Then we cut jacoby.

On defense more guys tend to play as well.

Our offense is going to remain largely in tact next year IMO. We have barwin, Cody, Quinn, McCain, James, dobbins (all key contributors) coming up on contracts.

You have reed, Cushing, Tim Jamison and jjo all dealing with some kind of injury.

I think we should be looking at a defensive heavy draft.

Only real thing you can say the offense really needs is maybe a tackle and a top flight wr. But I personally don't see either one if those as bigger issues than what we have in defense.

And I said that the small lb you are talking about could play inside. He's about the same weight as sharpton.

But besides that, watch players play. People said the sane thing about Von miller coming out. People said Bruce Irvin couldn't be effective and would get swallowed. One if those guys is a stud and the other is has had a good rookie season. Dwight freeney and Mathis were too small too.

Good coaches can take talented players and put them in position to be effective.

Rey
12-01-2012, 08:08 PM
Wade would use Ansah just like he used Mario Williams @ OLB :cool:

Maybe.....

But Merciless is in that role as the wolb and primary rush Olb.


Are you going to drop this guy in coverage more? Or are you going to move merciless to the strong side and ask him to be the run stopper and play over the TE?

I think Jordan is a damn near perfect prospect for the texans solb.

thunderkyss
12-01-2012, 08:16 PM
1) Dion Jordan, OLB, OREGON---6'6" 243 lbs


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/694/192/hi-res-5708768_crop_650.jpg?1350932872

I love him. I'd trade up to get him if needed. Really good athlete. Has shown good coverage out in the slot, good pass rusher from inside and outside. Good in run support. Very long and uses his hands well. Probably a little stronger than he looks. Increases the athleticism of this defense.


Whoa..... what the... 6'6" 243??

Don't know if I ever seen anything like that at LB. Very small frame. If he's strong enough to set the edge, I could see him as a SAM, he could be the answer to your Grahams & Gronks.

I haven't seen him play, but with that length, he could be hell coming off the edge on the weakside......

interesting

thunderkyss
12-01-2012, 08:25 PM
He uses those long arms to keep blockers out of his body and he's stronger than he looks. Doesn't stay engaged with linemen for long. Once he diagnoses a play he's shedding the lineman and going to the ball. He's a better player than Brooks reed. And I think he can easily surpass barwin.


I thought you pick OLmen with long arms to keep the DEs off of their body. A DE would want to get in close so he could use his arms to "bench" the OL off of him.

I never played either position, I'm just asking. Like I've seen Clay Mathews get up into a RT, then explode his arms out to knock the guy off balance, then shoot inside, outside, or whatever to get to t he QB

Rey
12-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Whoa..... what the... 6'6" 243??

Don't know if I ever seen anything like that at LB. Very small frame. If he's strong enough to set the edge, I could see him as a SAM, he could be the answer to your Grahams & Gronks.

I haven't seen him play, but with that length, he could be hell coming off the edge on the weakside......

interesting

He can add weight...

But I've watched quite a bit of him and I don't see the finesse thong with him. He may look finess because he's not engaging blockers for long and he gets off blocks.

But look and see if you see him getting pushed around or drove...I honestly haven't seem much of that.

In run support he usually gets his long arms extended, reads the play and then sheds the block. Qq

beerlover
12-01-2012, 08:31 PM
Maybe.....

But Merciless is in that role as the wolb and primary rush Olb.


Are you going to drop this guy in coverage more? Or are you going to move merciless to the strong side and ask him to be the run stopper and play over the TE?

I think Jordan is a damn near perfect prospect for the texans solb.

No maybe about it. Since we already have Mercilus weakside he would be natural strong side, as you project Texans will not resign Connor Barwin.

thunderkyss
12-01-2012, 08:45 PM
He can add weight...

But I've watched quite a bit of him and I don't see the finesse thong with him. He may look finess because he's not engaging blockers for long and he gets off blocks.

But look and see if you see him getting pushed around or drove...I honestly haven't seem much of that.

In run support he usually gets his long arms extended, reads the play and then sheds the block. Qq

If he adds weight, he's a different player. Forget about where you have him projected. These guys are all hit-or-miss as is. Jordan is going to need to gain 20lbs at that height. Don't take this guy in the first round if you're going to add that kind of weight to him.

Aldon Smith is 2" shorter & 15 lbs heavier. The equivalent at 6'6" is over 265..

You gotta take him as is & if he plays like you say, I've got no problem with that. We're going to need freaks to play TEs if they continue to go the way of Gronk & Graham.

As far as not getting pushed around in college, you know it's a whole knew league. Every takle in the NFL will push him around at 243. His best bet would be to use his speed & work on his hand game.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 08:50 PM
If he adds weight, he's a different player. Forget about where you have him projected. These guys are all hit-or-miss as is. Jordan is going to need to gain 20lbs at that height. Don't take this guy in the first round if you're going to add that kind of weight to him.

Aldon Smith is 2" shorter & 15 lbs heavier. The equivalent at 6'6" is over 265..

You gotta take him as is & if he plays like you say, I've got no problem with that. We're going to need freaks to play TEs if they continue to go the way of Gronk & Graham.

As far as not getting pushed around in college, you know it's a whole knew league. Every takle in the NFL will push him around at 243. His best bet would be to use his speed & work on his hand game.

You have to find someone that can get the QB . No matter what they have to be a force . That's where ND Kalu said they'd miss Mario . The jury is still out on Mercilus and Reed .

Rey
12-01-2012, 08:52 PM
I thought you pick OLmen with long arms to keep the DEs off of their body. A DE would want to get in close so he could use his arms to "bench" the OL off of him.

I never played either position, I'm just asking. Like I've seen Clay Mathews get up into a RT, then explode his arms out to knock the guy off balance, then shoot inside, outside, or whatever to get to t he QB

Watch him play.

Clay matthews is a different type of player...He has more short area explosiveness...

Jordan uses his arm length to quickly disengage from blocker.

There's tons of film on Youtube....Not just highlights...Game film trimmed down...

Rey
12-01-2012, 08:56 PM
If he adds weight, he's a different player. Forget about where you have him projected. These guys are all hit-or-miss as is. Jordan is going to need to gain 20lbs at that height. Don't take this guy in the first round if you're going to add that kind of weight to him.

Aldon Smith is 2" shorter & 15 lbs heavier. The equivalent at 6'6" is over 265..

You gotta take him as is & if he plays like you say, I've got no problem with that. We're going to need freaks to play TEs if they continue to go the way of Gronk & Graham.

As far as not getting pushed around in college, you know it's a whole knew league. Every takle in the NFL will push him around at 243. His best bet would be to use his speed & work on his hand game.

That's not entirely true.

Lots of players tend to add a little weight...Von Miller added weight this off season so he could play stronger at the LOS....Ray Lewis added weight over his career and then slimmed down latter as he got older...

Hasn't slowed them down any.

Some guys can do it...other guys can't....

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 08:57 PM
Watch him play.

Clay matthews is a different type of player...He has more short area explosiveness...

Jordan uses his arm length to quickly disengage from blocker.

There's tons of film on Youtube....Not just highlights...Game film trimmed down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQyegWdgrw

Rey
12-01-2012, 09:00 PM
No maybe about it. Since we already have Mercilus weakside he would be natural strong side, as you project Texans will not resign Connor Barwin.

The reason Mario could play OLB was because he wasn't asked to cover much being on the weakside.

The SOLB drops into coverage a lot more than the WOLB.

If he's playing on the strong side he's going to have to cover more. I've watched some film on him now and I personally dont see him being able to do that.

I think he and Merci are both weakside guys if they are playing OLB.

I think Ansah would actually be a really good DE in this 34.

thunderkyss
12-01-2012, 09:12 PM
You have to find someone that can get the QB . No matter what they have to be a force . That's where ND Kalu said they'd miss Mario . The jury is still out on Mercilus and Reed .

I'm fine with that, if he can do it at 243 (or even if his true playing weight is 250) let's do it. Pull the trigger, line'em up. I'm just saying if you think he needs to add 20 lbs to be a force, let's use our 1st round pick somewhere else.

Watch him play.

Clay matthews is a different type of player...He has more short area explosiveness...

Jordan uses his arm length to quickly disengage from blocker.

There's tons of film on Youtube....Not just highlights...Game film trimmed down...

That's wonderful. I like it, let's take him. For this particular post I was just asking a question, not related to Jordan at all. If he can use those long arms to keep the OL hands off him, that's great.

I'm not against the pick at all.

That's not entirely true.

Lots of players tend to add a little weight...Von Miller added weight this off season so he could play stronger at the LOS....Ray Lewis added weight over his career and then slimmed down latter as he got older...

Hasn't slowed them down any.

Some guys can do it...other guys can't....

Again, I don't have a problem with players adding weight... muscle, not weight. But I don't remember anyone saying Ray Lewis had to add weight.

If he's playing his game & working out like he should & he adds weight, I don't have a problem with that. His skills will probably grow with his body. But if someone takes him & say, "We're going to have to bulk you up" IMO, that changes everything.

If you like him at 243 take him with you're first rounder. I don't have a problem with that. The Gronks & Grahams are a different beast at the TE position, we'll most likely need a different beast at the OLB position to match up. A 6'6" 243lb LB that can cover sounds like just the ticket.

If you think he needs to add weight to play in this league.... pass.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 09:20 PM
I'm fine with that, if he can do it at 243 (or even if his true playing weight is 250) let's do it. Pull the trigger, line'em up. I'm just saying if you think he needs to add 20 lbs to be a force, let's use our 1st round pick somewhere else.



That's wonderful. I like it, let's take him. For this particular post I was just asking a question, not related to Jordan at all. If he can use those long arms to keep the OL hands off him, that's great.

I'm not against the pick at all.



Again, I don't have a problem with players adding weight... muscle, not weight. But I don't remember anyone saying Ray Lewis had to add weight.

If he's playing his game & working out like he should & he adds weight, I don't have a problem with that. His skills will probably grow with his body. But if someone takes him & say, "We're going to have to bulk you up" IMO, that changes everything.

If you like him at 243 take him with you're first rounder. I don't have a problem with that. The Gronks & Grahams are a different beast at the TE position, we'll most likely need a different beast at the OLB position to match up. A 6'6" 243lb LB that can cover sounds like just the ticket.

If you think he needs to add weight to play in this league.... pass.

I'm for Ziggy Ansah for the record . High risk high reward type guy because he hasn't played much . He's 6'5 270 and ran the 200 at BYU before playing football . He tried basketball before that but couldn't make it .

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765610752/BYU-football-No-longer-a-football-novice-Ziggy-Ansah-has-NFL-potential.html?pg=all

Myles-Mills hadn't seen someone with Ansah's size run like he could — clocking at 21.9 seconds in the 200 meters.

beerlover
12-01-2012, 09:38 PM
The reason Mario could play OLB was because he wasn't asked to cover much being on the weakside.

The SOLB drops into coverage a lot more than the WOLB.

If he's playing on the strong side he's going to have to cover more. I've watched some film on him now and I personally dont see him being able to do that.

I think he and Merci are both weakside guys if they are playing OLB.

I think Ansah would actually be a really good DE in this 34.

Not so fast my friend. Mario often times dropped into coverage. Dion actually drops into coverage a lot too. Ziggy is even more raw talent, coverage is not a skill set yet but in the future why not? Both are OLB prospects in Wade Phillips defense.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 09:51 PM
Not so fast my friend. Mario often times dropped into coverage. Dion actually drops into coverage a lot too. Ziggy is even more raw talent, coverage is not a skill set yet but in the future why not? Both are OLB prospects in Wade Phillips defense.

Ziggy plays heavy which is a must when you take on NFL tackles . Mercilus had great numbers last year and really hadn't had a chance this year . Barwin is better suited for the SOLB . If Ziggy can't play OLB he can be a 5 , heck he lines up at NG sometimes now . He's an elite talent that's not yet an elite player .... yet .

steelbtexan
12-01-2012, 09:59 PM
1.Give me Ansah over Jordan, more size/upside, same speed.
2. Lester, after watching Lester miss tackles and be out of position all afternoon I'm not sure I would pick Lester in the 4th rd. Quin will probably be re-signed. Give me an OT Long.
3.McCullers, Too tall to play NT. Huge guy though.
3. Porter, love this pick
4. Barner, like this pick, If Eddie Lacey is there I would pick him over Barner.
5. Hunt, Love this pick, I can just Imagine what Wade can do with a guy with that much untapped potential.
5. Adams, good pick has potential to replace McCain.
6. Fuller appears to have the same speed and better hands than Posey. New to football, unlimited potential.
7. Foketi, OL depth is never a bad thing. Dont know much about Foketi.

I would be very happy with this mock, except for the Lester pick.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2012, 10:04 PM
1.Give me Ansah over Jordan, more size/upside, same speed.
2. Lester, after watching Lester miss tackles and be out of position all afternoon I'm not sure I would pick Lester in the 4th rd. Quin will probably be re-signed. Give me an OT Long.
3.McCullers, Too tall to play NT. Huge guy though.
3. Porter, love this pick
4. Barner, like this pick, If Eddie Lacey is there I would pick him over Barner.
5. Hunt, Love this pick, I can just Imagine what Wade can do with a guy with that much untapped potential.
5. Adams, good pick has potential to replace McCain.
6. Fuller appears to have the same speed and better hands than Posey. New to football, unlimited potential.
7. Foketi, OL depth is never a bad thing. Dont know much about Foketi.

I would be very happy with this mock, except for the Lester pick.

I think you hit the key . Wade doesn't mind if your big if you can move . Ziggy and Hunt are freaks being big and athletic .

rmartin65
12-02-2012, 08:34 AM
1) I have a hard time with Jordan. I know you and badboy really like him, and if Barwin leaves, then OLB does become a need. Cant roll with and unproven Mercilus and a Reed that has not played as well as he did his rookie season. However, I just dont have a good read on Jordan. He is a phenomenal athlete, but I still worry about his ability to turn the corner when rushing the passer. With taller players one has to be concerned. Also, like others, I think he needs to add muscle. I dont think he will succeed in the pros at his current weight. I would not be upset about the pick, but I would not be overjoyed either. Definitely a wait-and-see.

2) I am not wild about Lester. I dont think he covers well enough to take Quin's spot, as he seems to be more of an in the box safety in the NFL. I like the idea of grabbing a bigger SS, but the guy must be able to cover well.

3) Love this pick. Dude is a bit of a project, but he moves like a man almost 100 pounds lighter. His height does not worry me, since he does a decent job playing low. With better conditioning a technique, that will only increase. Great pick.

3) Dont know a lot about the player, but I am not wild about drafting two OLBs in the first 3 rounds. Unless you are projecting him to be an ILB? If that is the case, I am good. We need to upgrade the position.

4) Barner- I like it. Threat to score any time he gets the ball. Makes the offense that much more dangerous.

5) Hunt is a freak, and was looking like a first round pick before this year. I am sold.

5) Again, I like the position. Adams can ball, though I do prefer Broomfield from Miss State. Just a matter of preference, as I would not complain at all if Adams is the pick.

6) This is a better spot for Fuller, not the 3rd/4th round people were projecting him. He has physical gifts, but needs to put them all together. Nice pick.

7) Good pick. I would like to see the position addressed earlier, but this kid has potential.

Nice draft, I would be happy if this was the end result come April.

beerlover
12-02-2012, 09:11 AM
1) Dion Jordan, OLB, OREGON---6'6" 243 lbs

I love him. I'd trade up to get him if needed. Really good athlete. Has shown good coverage out in the slot, good pass rusher from inside and outside. Good in run support. Very long and uses his hands well. Probably a little stronger than he looks. Increases the athleticism of this defense.

I would not trade up for Jordan. 5 sacks does not wow me nor does the time missed in critical game situations because of nagging injury's. Impressive specimen with lot of upside potential but where have we heard that before? If you must add another OLB/DE to replace Barwin (who you feel is gone end of season via free agency) then probably go Ezekiel Ansah, BYU route. I have watched a lot of Dion Jordan play, he flashes like Mario Williams then disappears for long stretches. Last year he did have 7 sacks while year before only 2. He does drop into coverage a lot but has little to show for it. His strongest suite is probably ability to make open field tackles. You have him graded about right, but some think he goes earlier which he might if one falls in love with his measureables. pass

2) Robert Lester, SS, BAMA---6'2" 210 lbs

Decent coverage skill, good in run support. Increases the athleticism of this defense. a bit bigger than our current safeties so he may do better against some of the TE's we have trouble with. Player that looks really good to me with room to grow. Would be a great addition to this defense.

Why am I not impressed with bama's secondary? Kareem may have been the best corner they've produced? The safeties are always in the box type, strong in run support, used in blitz packages but overall not great in pass coverage. Good job with graded him, he probably winds up a late 2nd to mid 3rd. I like Demps ability enough to pass on him & think Manning still has at least two or three more quality years. pass

3) Daniel McCullers, NT, Tennessee---6'6" 377lbs

Doesn't move like a 377 pound human being. Shows surprising burst off the ball. Will likely have to lose some weight to be effective in the NFL for more than 1 or 2 plays at a time. But the guy looks really good from what I've watched. A specimen for sure.

JUCO transfer, only one year experience @ Tennessee haven't heard anything that he comes out early or even asked for his draftable grade from advisory committee. Really raw prospect here if he did basing your pick mostly on potential, still has to show me which he should senior year. Has only one sack in his one year with Vols. pass

3) Sean Porter, OLB/ILB, TAMU---6'2" 230 lbs

Played OLB for A&M in their 34 a year ago. Haven't seen him much this year. But I think he has the skillset to play WILB in Wades Defense and can line up outside sometimes to rush if needed. 6'2 230 pounds with room to add a little weight. Good speed, good agility, good in space and shows a burst when getting to the football.

Based on firs pick this makes no sense with other needs on this team. Texans already have Eddie Pleasent on the practice squad, very similar player that can't even get a call up to active roster, seems like wasted pick. Maybe Damontre Moore stole his thunder because his sack totals dropped to a mere 2.5. Think if you wanted him he will be available later, undersized to play in the league. pass
4) KenJon Barner, RB/KR---5'11" 190 lbs

Good Runner. Good Kick returner. Bolsters the RB position for the future and gives another KR/PR option. Very fast, good vision. Catches well.

If you love watching Foster run then your going to love watching Barner, both fluid like water finding gap, combination of great vision & instincts. Barner is a flyweight in comparision but his speed can be blindingly fast, plays at a high level, runs between tackles like Chris Johnson when he came out of East Carolina. Playmaker, weapon out of the backfield. Keeper


5) Margus Hunt, DE, SMU---6'8" 275 lbs

Will probably rise after the combine...But I'd still look to grab him and let him learn behind the guys we have.

Like his length, reminds me of Brandon Bair, 6-7 272 who went undrafted then bounced around the league trying to make a roster spot, even Texans brought him in this year to workout but did not sign him. Both lack athletic ability both are hard workers, 6 sacks reflects a good motor but low tackle numbers. Given the number of picks already on DL. pass

BL :wesmantexanfan:

beerlover
12-02-2012, 09:31 AM
5) Johnny Adams, CB, Michigan STATE---5'11" 178 lbs

Just a good overall player IMO. Hard nosed. Good in man and zone coverage. Not overly flashy, but gets the job done. Has come up with a few picks as a college ball player, but the thing I like most is how he attacks QB's on blitzes and RB's on runs. The guy is a baller. I don't see McCain back here next year and this guy would bolster the CB position.

Replacing a 6th rd. nearly fully developed league ready CB with late 5th College DB that will have to repeat learning cycle, I just don't think that is good trade off. Like your player, great value here (if he slips this far) & Texans must add depth @ position regardless. Keeper

6) Corey Fuller, WR, VA Tech---6'2" 196 lbs

Low 4.4 guy, good size. Transfer guy that walked onto the football team. Ran track before playing football but this is his second year and he has been productive. I really like this guy as a late round prospect.

Good depth player to throw into the mix for another position of need, just don't know if would even make this roster? Even if only practice squad material first year he would have time to develop & possibly make roster in 2 or 3. Since he is your only WR prospect then it's a no brainer. Keeper

7) Manase Foketi, OT, West Texas A&M---6'5" 320 lbs

Started off at Kansas State. Went through an ugly divorce with the school and Eventually wound up in Texas. Played left tackle. Has good feet and good strength. Big time project but the ability is there. Needs help with technique.

This years Mondek? Honestly we see team needs completely opposite. Another solid but late offensive linemen who probably doesn't stand a chance in hell of helping this team next year with best case rotational depth player for future. Bring him into camp & see if he can become Texan back-up RT. Another good developmental prospect. Keeper

BL :wesmantexanfan:

badboy
12-03-2012, 09:53 AM
I do like Jordan but he has not ended the regular season as I hoped. If I were to go OLB in first, probably be Ansah. Mario Williams received disdain from fans for playing like Barwin has this season. In Wade's system, not the one we see cobbled together due to injuries, the OLB disrupts the QB. The only way I want Barwin back is with a small bonus, first two years no more than $2-3m each cap hit. Mercilus has 5 sacks and two fumbles in miminal playing time. He will gain confidence as he finishes out the season and playoffs & be an excellent starter '13. I am content with a Reed/Mercilus starting tandem and a later OLB pick. I will be posting some thoughts later today in a mock thread.

Rey
12-03-2012, 11:50 AM
Ive watched a bit of Oregon and they drop Jordan in coverage a lot. I'd be interested in seeing how often he actually rushes the qb.

Rey
12-03-2012, 11:53 AM
And I've watched more of ansah...no way would I take him to play Olb for us.

DE heck yes. Olb, no.

Honoring Earl 34
12-03-2012, 07:47 PM
And I've watched more of ansah...no way would I take him to play Olb for us.

DE heck yes. Olb, no.

Ziggy will have Mario's combine numbers but he'll be 20lbs lighter . He is a lot more active than Mario and has good instincts . They have him lining up a NT sometimes cause he's that strong . He's not nearly as stiff as Mario .

If he was a junior and coming back for his senior year and improved the ways he's been doing , top 5 in 2014 .

Rey
12-04-2012, 07:22 AM
Ziggy will have Mario's combine numbers but he'll be 20lbs lighter . He is a lot more active than Mario and has good instincts . They have him lining up a NT sometimes cause he's that strong . He's not nearly as stiff as Mario .

If he was a junior and coming back for his senior year and improved the ways he's been doing , top 5 in 2014 .

He looks less athletic than Mario to me.

Doesnt have a lot of burst off the snap but he is so strong that he just does what he wants anyways.

I don't see this athleticism showing up on film though. The strength, yes. The explosive athleticism...no.