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gtexan02
11-26-2012, 09:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8676866/matt-schaub-ndamukong-suh-style-play-not-houston-texans-worthy

When asked earlier Monday in an interview with SportsRadio 610 in Houston whether he would ever want Suh to be his teammate with the Texans, Schaub said, "No."

"You don't want a player like that. The stuff that he stands for and the type of player he is, that's not Houston Texan-worthy," Schaub said. "That's not what we're about as a football team, as individuals, collectively as a group, we're not that type of person."

2slik4u
11-26-2012, 09:43 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8676866/matt-schaub-ndamukong-suh-style-play-not-houston-texans-worthy

Lets just hope he doesn't end up on Suh's team in the twilight years of his career. At least for Matt's sake.

Texanmike02
11-26-2012, 09:44 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8676866/matt-schaub-ndamukong-suh-style-play-not-houston-texans-worthy

He's right.

Mike

Texan_Bill
11-26-2012, 10:18 PM
Suh is a POS!!!

I loved how Schaub handled the post game interview and loved how he took his comments even further way post-game.

What a POS Suh really is!!!

gtexan02
11-26-2012, 10:19 PM
He's right.

Mike

I agree. I'd be embarassed to cheer for him

TheMatrix31
11-26-2012, 10:20 PM
Good for Schaub. He's 100% right.

bshep86
11-27-2012, 12:02 AM
Matty talking trash. OHHHH YEAH!!! :koolaid:

Norg
11-27-2012, 12:51 AM
well i love scahub but i would have to disagree I would take Suh anyday over Cody and Mitchell wouldnt think twice about it it would be a MAJJJOOOORRRRRRRR Upgrade


could u image JJWATT SUH NINJA has our front 3 OMG !!!!!!!!

Showtime100
11-27-2012, 12:58 AM
Lets just hope he doesn't end up on Suh's team in the twilight years of his career. At least for Matt's sake.

See post below.

Good for Schaub. He's 100% right.

Damned straight. Speak of the world as you see it and face whatever comes. To let a dirty-ass player ride free is a defeat.

Allstar
11-27-2012, 01:14 AM
Nice. Good to see him speak up on this.

kiwitexansfan
11-27-2012, 01:30 AM
I wonder about the whole Suh character thing.

You never heard a bad word about him in college, role model type, everyone loves him then he gets to the NFL and he is a bad boy.

I point my finger at Schwartz. The two dirtiest DTs in memory both got that way under Schwartz.

If Suh had come into a character organisation like the Texans, I would expect ot have NONE of this.

Showtime100
11-27-2012, 01:43 AM
I wonder about the whole Suh character thing.

You never heard a bad word about him in college, role model type, everyone loves him then he gets to the NFL and he is a bad boy.

I point my finger at Schwartz. The two dirtiest DTs in memory both got that way under Schwartz.

If Suh had come into a character organisation like the Texans, I would expect ot have NONE of this.

There is a ****load of proof that he's a bad guy. Go to youtube or even google him.

ObsiWan
11-27-2012, 04:30 AM
I sort of object to the "Schaub calls out..." inference in the title. At first they tried to get him to comment on the event itself by asking, in so many words, "why didn't you get pissed off? To which Schaub answered (again paraphrasing from memory), "I'm trying to play QB, get the next play, and run my offense. I don't have time to get caught up..."

Well that wasn't soundbite worthy enough so they changed tactics and asked the would you like him as a teammate question. At first his answer was a simple "no". And it seemed to me that that was all Schaub had to say about it. But not getting quite the bulletin board sound bite they were looking for, they kept digging and digging at Schaub until he expounded.

This whole mess is getting the Texans way too much attention. Now ESPN - and the OP - is saying Schaub is "calling Suh out".

I suppose next the media will go to Suh or Schwartz and ask "did you hear what Schaub said about you?"

Disgusting.

Rey
11-27-2012, 07:13 AM
I sort of object to the "Schaub calls out..." inference in the title. At first they tried to get him to comment on the event itself by asking, in so many words, "why didn't you get pissed off? To which Schaub answered (again paraphrasing from memory), "I'm trying to play QB, get the next play, and run my offense. I don't have time to get caught up..."

Well that wasn't soundbite worthy enough so they changed tactics and asked the would you like him as a teammate question. At first his answer was a simple "no". And it seemed to me that that was all Schaub had to say about it. But not getting quite the bulletin board sound bite they were looking for, they kept digging and digging at Schaub until he expounded.

This whole mess is getting the Texans way too much attention. Now ESPN - and the OP - is saying Schaub is "calling Suh out".

I suppose next the media will go to Suh or Schwartz and ask "did you hear what Schaub said about you?"

Disgusting.

They didn't keep digging after the teammate question.

They asked him if he'd like suh as a teammate and he gave his full answer.

Mark vandameer spends a lot of time with the team and he said schaub was really unhappy about what suh did to him and was going to give some negative indictment of suh no matter how the questioning went. This is coming from a guy that works at the texans facility and rides on the team plane with these guys.

I listen to Matt every Monday and he is the king of coach speak for the most part.

For him to say he doesn't want a guy as a teammate is pretty strong. For him to say that a guy is not "texans worthy" is even stronger.

Seńor Stan
11-27-2012, 07:22 AM
I for one am looking for some "Texans Worthy" t shirts any time now...

No Worries
11-27-2012, 07:52 AM
Lions QB Stafford might agree with Schaub, since Suh's dirty play might mean retaliation against him.

HTown2ATX
11-27-2012, 08:07 AM
Frankly I was surprised how much run this got nationally. It was even discussed on PTI and stuff later in the day on ESPN. I listen to 610 basically 8 hours a day while at work and I heard the interview live yesterday and didn't think twice. Of course he wouldn't want him on the team...the guy just friggin kicked his dangle! WTH was Schauby gonna say? "Oh yeah, I'd love to have him on the team cause you know, I'm into effed up German porn and he could make those fantasies come to life and kick me in the dangle everyday!" :splits:

Hardcore Texan
11-27-2012, 08:13 AM
They didn't keep digging after the teammate question.

They asked him if he'd like suh as a teammate and he gave his full answer.

Mark vandameer spends a lot of time with the team and he said schaub was really unhappy about what suh did to him and was going to give some negative indictment of suh no matter how the questioning went. This is coming from a guy that works at the texans facility and rides on the team plane with these guys.

I listen to Matt every Monday and he is the king of coach speak for the most part.

For him to say he doesn't want a guy as a teammate is pretty strong. For him to say that a guy is not "texans worthy" is even stronger.

Nice post, agreed.

ChampionTexan
11-27-2012, 09:04 AM
I for one am looking for some "Texans Worthy" t shirts any time now...

To be modeled by Julia Louis-Dreyfus?

thunderkyss
11-27-2012, 09:11 AM
well i love scahub but i would have to disagree I would take Suh anyday over Cody and Mitchell wouldnt think twice about it it would be a MAJJJOOOORRRRRRRR Upgrade


could u image JJWATT SUH NINJA has our front 3 OMG !!!!!!!!

Suh would disappear playing the nose.

IDEXAN
11-27-2012, 09:13 AM
I think Schaub should have stayed with the origional "NC" approach. Not that I disagree with him because I know what he says is true, but because the NFL is basically a small community and his remarks may come back to haunt him.

ObsiWan
11-27-2012, 09:21 AM
They didn't keep digging after the teammate question.

They asked him if he'd like suh as a teammate and he gave his full answer.

Mark vandameer spends a lot of time with the team and he said schaub was really unhappy about what suh did to him and was going to give some negative indictment of suh no matter how the questioning went. This is coming from a guy that works at the texans facility and rides on the team plane with these guys.

I listen to Matt every Monday and he is the king of coach speak for the most part.

For him to say he doesn't want a guy as a teammate is pretty strong. For him to say that a guy is not "texans worthy" is even stronger.

That's not accurate. I listened to it live on my way to work. They asked him would he like Suh as a teammate and his initial reply was one word: "No."

Schaub only added all that other stuff when Vandermeer asked him to expound. Vandy couldn't let it go at a simple "No".

GP
11-27-2012, 09:37 AM
That's not accurate. I listened to it live on my way to work. They asked him would he like Suh as a teammate and his initial reply was one word: "No."

Schaub only added all that other stuff when Vandermeer asked him to expound. Vandy couldn't let it go at a simple "No".

Well, Vandy realized he asked a close-ended question (a question that can have a Yes or No answer with no further details)....so in his error I think Vandy quickly recovered and asked him to explain why he said "No" to the question.

No harm in that. I think you're making more of it than what's there. That's my gig, so stop trying to copy me. I think we all wanted to hear Matt Schaub explain his feelings, even if it was a bit of a tangent question to begin with.

I personally liked hearing him say negative things about Suh. I mean, Suh is trying to straight up injure every QB he faces no matter what...so it's not like this awakened some sleeping giant in Suh or anything. Matt is making sure he's on record as being very anti-Suh.

He downplayed the two hits he received in the Broncos game. But with Suh, there's that Albert Haynesworth factor that I am sure just really irritates Schaub. So he got to vent a little, and that's fine. At least he vented now and not during the game, in the moment. Which, from the quotes I read, Matt said he intentionally moved on from that incident for the benefit of the team. Now that there's down time, I think it's more than OK for this to be discussed.

417Texan
11-27-2012, 09:41 AM
guy was trouble at nebraska

BigBull17
11-27-2012, 10:05 AM
well i love scahub but i would have to disagree I would take Suh anyday over Cody and Mitchell wouldnt think twice about it it would be a MAJJJOOOORRRRRRRR Upgrade


could u image JJWATT SUH NINJA has our front 3 OMG !!!!!!!!

Until it's 4th down in the AFC Championship game and Suh decides to be a tough guy and gets you a 15 yards hankie and lets a drive extend. Then you would want him gone. That's the kind of player e is. Uncontrollable.

Rey
11-27-2012, 10:11 AM
That's not accurate. I listened to it live on my way to work. They asked him would he like Suh as a teammate and his initial reply was one word: "No."

Schaub only added all that other stuff when Vandermeer asked him to expound. Vandy couldn't let it go at a simple "No".

Did you hear the conversation before Schaub came on?

They were talking among themselves about whether they'd take Suh on their teams...

It was just a conversation, not some sinister plot to stir up drama. Of course they want interesting dialogue...That's their job

76Texan
11-27-2012, 10:23 AM
ProFootballTalk just reported that Suh recently received a fourth traffic ticket within a year. Somebody pulls a link for me; I don't know how to do it from my phone.

Allstar
11-27-2012, 10:25 AM
I think Schaub should have stayed with the origional "NC" approach. Not that I disagree with him because I know what he says is true, but because the NFL is basically a small community and his remarks may come back to haunt him.

Suh is universally hated around the league and has been voted the most disliked player by his peers for 2 straight years.

76Texan
11-27-2012, 10:28 AM
Until it's 4th down in the AFC Championship game and Suh decides to be a tough guy and gets you a 15 yards hankie and lets a drive extend. Then you would want him gone. That's the kind of player e is. Uncontrollable.

Uncontrollable he is.
Side-swiping cars; hitting a tree, and driving 91 mph in a 55mph zone.
You'd figure a guy would be more careful after receiving 3 traffic tickets within a year, but no, here he goes again.

Playoffs
11-27-2012, 10:37 AM
Drew Sharp: Lions should consider trading Ndamukong Suh -- Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20121127/COL08/311270112/Drew-Sharp-Lions-should-consider-trading-Suh)

If the Lions are smart -- and isn't that assuming a lot? -- they should seriously entertain trading offers for Suh this off-season. He may never shake free from the branding as a needlessly angry, impulsive reactionary who may annually face some form of NFL investigation for his on-field antics.

That's not worth it for the Lions, especially considering how much they invested in their top three draft picks when they were historically bad. They've already made Calvin Johnson the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history. They might only have room to keep either quarterback Matthew Stafford or Suh following next season. Whom do you think they're going to choose?
...
[Suh] is also annoyingly arrogant and capricious. Suh still believes that the NFL must change to how he plays because the league's never before experienced his combination of size and speed.
...
I do believe Suh deliberately and angrily initiated a clearly non-football act, justifying in his mind that wherever his cleats met Schaub, so be it.

Double Barrel
11-27-2012, 10:47 AM
Drew Sharp: Lions should consider trading Ndamukong Suh -- Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20121127/COL08/311270112/Drew-Sharp-Lions-should-consider-trading-Suh)

Bud Adams is drooling over his checkbook as we speak...

HOU-TEX
11-27-2012, 10:50 AM
It's quite unfortunate too. This dude could be one of the most dominant Dlinemen in the NFL if he wanted. Honestly, I used to enjoy the heck out of the way he played the game up until the "stomp". One of the dirtiest and deliberate things I've ever seen in a game. To make things worse, he denied doing it.

Hopefully he can get some help and get his mind right. Otherwise, he can disappear from the NFL for all I care.

DocBar
11-27-2012, 11:11 AM
ProFootballTalk just reported that Suh recently received a fourth traffic ticket within a year. Somebody pulls a link for me; I don't know how to do it from my phone.LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/another-traffic-incident-for-ndamukong-suh/)

I don't have a problem with what Schaub said. I liked Suh when he came ou tof college but his actions in the NFL are despicable.

Playoffs
11-27-2012, 11:41 AM
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/another-traffic-incident-for-ndamukong-suh/)

I don't have a problem with what Schaub said. I liked Suh when he came ou tof college but his actions in the NFL are despicable.

Suh has some serious entitlement issues. He thinks the NFL needs to bend its rules for him. He thinks he should get special treatment in the real world.

4 traffic violations in one year would get you & me a suspended license. Attempting to intimidate a witness would seal the deal.

ESAD2-14
11-27-2012, 12:07 PM
Suh has some serious entitlement issues. He thinks the NFL needs to bend its rules for him. He thinks he should get special treatment in the real world.

4 traffic violations in one year would get you & me a suspended license. Attempting to intimidate a witness would seal the deal.

I bet it's been that way since his playing days in high school, college, and now the NFL. Unfortunately he is a mental midget and his thought process seems to not have progressed past the age of 17.

The correlation between his traffic issues and on the field actions is not a coincidence. On top of that he is a crappy driver that probably thinks he is a pro driver.

76Texan
11-27-2012, 12:31 PM
Just to clarify, It looks like he was issued one traffic ticket, while one is pending.

He was not ticketed in the "minor" accident in Detroit.
He was not ticketed in Portland, but is being sued by a witness who was in his car during the accident.
He didn't hit any car, just a light pole, a drinking fountain, and a tree - probably by gunning his car too quickly from a start and just lost control of his car.
In the 911 call, Suh claimed that everybody is fine.
But one passenger claimed that she was injured and sued him.
The other passenger seems to support that claim.
No details on the amended police report yet, and I believe the case is still pending.

Hagar
11-27-2012, 01:39 PM
The only problem I have with Schaub's comments is the potential for "Texans Worthy" to become some sort of battle cry for the other team. The Texans are 10-1 and every opponent is gunning for us already, they don't need more incentive.

I will say that Schaub's comments are essentially correct. The Texans don't hire people who are unstable or glory hounds in any way, shape, form or fashion. Let's face it, drama sells newspapers and we don't get very much press because we don't have drama queens like Tony Romo, Michael Vick or Richie Incognito. While I think Suh has the potential to be a major force in the NFL, he doesn't fit the mold of a Texans player.

NitroGSXR
11-27-2012, 01:40 PM
I'm over it. So what's going on with the Titans? Any concerns or worries?

Hervoyel
11-27-2012, 01:46 PM
Bud Adams is drooling over his checkbook as we speak...

This is exactly what's going to happen. Detoilet will get tired of Suh and the controversy he brings so they'll trade him and he'll either go to some well meaning organization that thinks they can channel his anger and fix him or to someone like Bud Adams who wants his team to "toughen up". Hell, he'll probably bring Jim Schwartz back when he's fired too.

GP
11-27-2012, 01:47 PM
The only problem I have with Schaub's comments is the potential for "Texans Worthy" to become some sort of battle cry for the other team. The Texans are 10-1 and every opponent is gunning for us already, they don't need more incentive.

I will say that Schaub's comments are essentially correct. The Texans don't hire people who are unstable or glory hounds in any way, shape, form or fashion. Let's face it, drama sells newspapers and we don't get very much press because we don't have drama queens like Tony Romo, Michael Vick or Richie Incognito. While I think Suh has the potential to be a major force in the NFL, he doesn't fit the mold of a Texans player.

I think if Schaub was a clown himself, yeah...the Texans Worthy would be seen as dooshie and would be used for another team's gain.

The dude is so low-key, so hip to the ways of being a standup person...I mean, he's the antidote to drama...that I think people are golf clapping his statement all over the league. Well, maybe not in Detroit they're not. But still.

Double Barrel
11-27-2012, 02:52 PM
This is exactly what's going to happen. Detoilet will get tired of Suh and the controversy he brings so they'll trade him and he'll either go to some well meaning organization that thinks they can channel his anger and fix him or to someone like Bud Adams who wants his team to "toughen up". Hell, he'll probably bring Jim Schwartz back when he's fired too.

It is our destiny. Once-in-a-generation Luck to replace once-in-a-generation Manning, and then having our QB face Suh twice a season.

Our time is THIS season, before the Eagles hire Wade. ;)

ajohnson80
11-27-2012, 03:13 PM
If he kicked Tom Brady or Peyton in the groin, and tried to put some wrestling move on them well after he throws (which should be talked about more than the kick), would Suh have received a suspension? I think so. Lesson to Schaub, win a couple superbowl mvps, and you will be untouchable.

eriadoc
11-27-2012, 03:24 PM
What I would have liked to hear Schaub or anyone else say in response to the Suh questions is to just say that men build their own reputations in life, and leave it at that.

Norg
11-28-2012, 12:44 AM
Until it's 4th down in the AFC Championship game and Suh decides to be a tough guy and gets you a 15 yards hankie and lets a drive extend. Then you would want him gone. That's the kind of player e is. Uncontrollable.

dont worry A smith does this all time time buy getting a Netural zone infraction :toropalm:

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 01:00 AM
dont worry A smith does this all time time buy getting a Netural zone infraction :toropalm:

I was actually very impressed that he didn't lose his cool over the last three weeks. Chicago, Jags, Detroit.... he had plenty of opportunity.

ObsiWan
11-28-2012, 01:55 AM
Well, Vandy realized he asked a close-ended question (a question that can have a Yes or No answer with no further details)....so in his error I think Vandy quickly recovered and asked him to explain why he said "No" to the question.

No harm in that. I think you're making more of it than what's there. That's my gig, so stop trying to copy me. I think we all wanted to hear Matt Schaub explain his feelings, even if it was a bit of a tangent question to begin with.

I personally liked hearing him say negative things about Suh. I mean, Suh is trying to straight up injure every QB he faces no matter what...so it's not like this awakened some sleeping giant in Suh or anything. Matt is making sure he's on record as being very anti-Suh.


I was good with a simple, straight-forward "No."
Direct. To the point. No embellishment necessary. That works perfectly for me.

And when you think about it and the kind of players Uncle Bob and his Texans have historically signed up, Schaub's answer was the obvious answer to that question. No way Suh fits in our locker room.

So you're right, it was a tangential question. What purpose did it serve other than to provide sound-bite fodder for ESPN, et. al.?

Dutchrudder
11-28-2012, 09:16 AM
Arian Foster isn't willing to say the same about Suh (video):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1423518-arian-foster-would-welcome-ndamukong-suh-on-the-houston-texans

lol... Somehow I'm not surprised.

Double Barrel
11-28-2012, 03:55 PM
Arian Foster isn't willing to say the same about Suh (video):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1423518-arian-foster-would-welcome-ndamukong-suh-on-the-houston-texans

lol... Somehow I'm not surprised.

He's got a point. While most of us seem to loathe the guy, there is no doubt that his talent is an upgrade to any defense. Part of it might be the culture that Jim Schwartz has created/allowed with that franchise. With another team, Suh might have a better definition of the lines he shouldn't cross.

I'm not sayin' I want the guy, but a D-line with JJ and Suh on it would be a freakin' unstoppable tsunami.

Hardcore Texan
11-28-2012, 04:19 PM
He's got a point. While most of us seem to loathe the guy, there is no doubt that his talent is an upgrade to any defense. Part of it might be the culture that Jim Schwartz has created/allowed with that franchise. With another team, Suh might have a better definition of the lines he shouldn't cross.

I'm not sayin' I want the guy, but a D-line with JJ and Suh on it would be a freakin' unstoppable tsunami.

It would also take a tsunami of cash to sign them both.

GP
11-28-2012, 04:19 PM
He's got a point. While most of us seem to loathe the guy, there is no doubt that his talent is an upgrade to any defense. Part of it might be the culture that Jim Schwartz has created/allowed with that franchise. With another team, Suh might have a better definition of the lines he shouldn't cross.

I'm not sayin' I want the guy, but a D-line with JJ and Suh on it would be a freakin' unstoppable tsunami.

Meh. Arian Foster is entitled to his opinion. He is a very positive minded person, so I can see why he'd say positive things.

The realist knows, however, that Suh will inevitably find a way to be more of a problem than a solution. Whether its from being in trouble with the law (suspension issues with the league as infractions persist), being in trouble with the refs (being flagged and subsequently possibly suspended, and has a history of it), or by virtue of other self control issues...I'm not so sure that a team can win with him on it.

Throw in the negative publicity factor, and it's a recipe for all the wrong things.

But yeah, speaking in terms of "if" we could turn that switch to off and have him just play straight up football alongside Watt...it wouldn't be fair to offenses. It would be a Geneva Convention issue.

Scooter
11-28-2012, 04:37 PM
not unexpected from foster, very zen-like and trying to see the best side of a situation. i'm not that nice however and cant imagine liking suh if he were a texan. heck i've railed against foster for some of those "out of character" moments, such as his tweeted x-rays and showboating. antonio smith is the only other player that immediately comes to mind as taking it to the edge during the game, and sometimes past.

the difference for me though is that IS suh's character. he's not the goofy "ninja" off the field, or the always smiling philosopher ... he's apparently a world class a-hole off the field that's trying to injure people with bush league play on the field. i cant support that. i cant stand the guy but innegan i can see the arguement for, annoying as he is i may actually like the nuisance he brings if it were my team. a world of difference from suh.

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 05:58 PM
He's got a point. While most of us seem to loathe the guy, there is no doubt that his talent is an upgrade to any defense. Part of it might be the culture that Jim Schwartz has created/allowed with that franchise. With another team, Suh might have a better definition of the lines he shouldn't cross.

I'm not sayin' I want the guy, but a D-line with JJ and Suh on it would be a freakin' unstoppable tsunami.

Then we might as well be the Cowboys. I know I'll catch flak for that, but if we don't care how we win, if we don't care about the reputation of our players...... we might as well be Cowboy fans. Jerry's sheep.

If Arian said, he wouldn't act like that on my team, because I won't let him. Or that we've got too much influence amongst ourselves to let that type of character develop, that would be one thing. But to say Suh is acting out of character? I think Foster is trying to protect his assets in the event he has to face Suh in the future.

& Yes, not a person on this board can honestly say they would not have been a happy Texans' fan if we walked away from that draft with Ndamakon Suh. But I don't think it would be unanimous that we'd want that guy Suh is now. Many complained about Tj, Bernard, & Antonio when they had made boneheaded decisions, and none of them were "dirty"

Thorn
11-28-2012, 06:46 PM
But yeah, speaking in terms of "if" we could turn that switch to off and have him just play straight up football alongside Watt...it wouldn't be fair to offenses. It would be a Geneva Convention issue.

If this kind of an "if" were an a$$hole we'd all get diarrhea.

Texan_Bill
11-28-2012, 06:51 PM
Meh... Suh will go by way of the Dodo Haynesbird.

Hardcore Texan
11-28-2012, 06:54 PM
I like a mean streak in a player, especially a defensive player. For example Cushing has a mean streak, but his play is clean and between the whistles. That's the way the game is meant to be played.

Suh is a dirty POS that can't see the difference. If you do something once, people will call it an accident. If you do it twice, they call it a coincidence. But do it a third time and it's more than a trend. That reveals the man's character. Sorry Arian, you're wrong on this one.

See also:
Jared Allen
Laron Landry
Albert Haynesworth

run-david-run
11-28-2012, 07:56 PM
I sort of object to the "Schaub calls out..." inference in the title. At first they tried to get him to comment on the event itself by asking, in so many words, "why didn't you get pissed off? To which Schaub answered (again paraphrasing from memory), "I'm trying to play QB, get the next play, and run my offense. I don't have time to get caught up..."

Well that wasn't soundbite worthy enough so they changed tactics and asked the would you like him as a teammate question. At first his answer was a simple "no". And it seemed to me that that was all Schaub had to say about it. But not getting quite the bulletin board sound bite they were looking for, they kept digging and digging at Schaub until he expounded.

This whole mess is getting the Texans way too much attention. Now ESPN - and the OP - is saying Schaub is "calling Suh out".

I suppose next the media will go to Suh or Schwartz and ask "did you hear what Schaub said about you?"

Disgusting.

I'm sure we'll have to worry about it for the next four years until we play the Lions again.

He picked a good team to pick on!

Texan_Bill
11-28-2012, 08:00 PM
i like a mean streak in a player, especially a defensive player. For example cushing has a mean streak, but his play is clean and between the whistles. That's the way the game is meant to be played.

Suh is a dirty pos that can't see the difference. If you do something once, people will call it an accident. If you do it twice, they call it a coincidence. But do it a third time and it's more than a trend. That reveals the man's character. Sorry arian, you're wrong on this one.

See also:
Jared allen
laron landry
albert haynesworth

jup.... repped!

Hervoyel
11-28-2012, 08:03 PM
Time for this to end I think. I want to see the Texans talking about, thinking about, and being asked by local sports journalists about the Titans, then the Patriots, then the Colts....

The past is the past. Spending this much time talking about something that happened last week is like spending an eternity talking about it in NFL season "time". It's starting to look like just the slightest bit of a distraction or like it might become one if it keeps going. Suh is in the rear view mirror.

I mean of course that we can still talk about it but I'd really rather people in the media stop asking our players about it.

Double Barrel
11-29-2012, 12:23 PM
Then we might as well be the Cowboys.

You mean the Dallas Cowboys with 5 Lombardi trophies and 9 Super Bowl appearances? That Cowboys? :fingergun:

Theoretical question: Which would you rather have, the "Houston Texan-worthy" way and never a championship, or lowered standards with championships?

I'm not saying that the so-called "Houston Texan-worthy" way will not net a championship, but excluding players based on character flaws does limit the talent that you can get in the long run. That's just being pragmatic.

BTW, this is not in support of Suh. I think he's a dirty, cheap SOB and hopefully gets whatever bad karma he deserves. [/disclaimer]

I'm just curious about where each of us draws the line as individuals:

Boy Scout<--------------------------------------------->Suh

thunderkyss
11-29-2012, 12:27 PM
Boy Scout<-------------X-------------------------------->Suh

I don't necessarily want boyscouts, & the Dallas Cowboys who won all those Lombardies weren't the degenerates who didn't. I could be wrong, but I thought Jimmy Johnson had a pretty good locker room.

Not choir boys. But it wasn't till after he left that they went all gangsta..

At least that's the way I want to remember it.

Exascor
11-29-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm just curious about where each of us draws the line as individuals:

Boy Scout<--------------------------------------------->SuhAs long as it helps get the Texans a championship...my "Texans Worthy" meter wouldn't be very sensitive. Even Suh might not set it off. But for the most part:

Boy Scout<--------------------------------------------][->Suh

Double Barrel
11-29-2012, 12:41 PM
I don't necessarily want boyscouts, & the Dallas Cowboys who won all those Lombardies weren't the degenerates who didn't. I could be wrong, but I thought Jimmy Johnson had a pretty good locker room.

Not choir boys. But it wasn't till after he left that they went all gangsta..

At least that's the way I want to remember it.

The Cowboys were notorious for having some rather 'colorful' players, both during the Landry era and the Jimmy Johnson era.

Heck, just the white house alone should tell you something:

Infamous Cowboys White House still stands

“The house … was rented under the name of receiver Alvin Harper and the new neighbors in an exclusively white, low-key community were 6-foot-5 inch, 300 pound African American men escorting an endless conveyor belt of large-breasted blondes. Nate Newton insists the White House was a haven for neither prostitution (“What did we need a prostitute for? Women laid down for us”) nor drugs (Never saw ‘em), yet his take is disputed by myriad teammates and people in the know.”

When the house and its tenants’ purpose became public just after the apex of the Cowboys’ Super Bowl runs, this screamed of a team out of control. A television station’s hidden camera caught star receiver Michael Irvin with what appeared to be cocaine. Wrapped around were a string of other arrests and other publicly embarrassing situations that made it football’s most interesting franchise back then.

Full story (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-cowboyswhitehouse020411)

As long as it helps get the Texans a championship...my "Texans Worthy" meter wouldn't be very sensitive. Even Suh might not set it off. But for the most part:

Boy Scout<--------------------------------------------][->Suh

I'll be honest with ya', I'm so starved for a championship as a Houston pro football fan for life that I feel the same way many times.

Championships gloss over the dirt, if you know what I mean.

ChampionTexan
11-29-2012, 01:21 PM
Theoretical question: Which would you rather have, the "Houston Texan-worthy" way and never a championship, or lowered standards with championships?

I'm not saying that the so-called "Houston Texan-worthy" way will not net a championship, but excluding players based on character flaws does limit the talent that you can get in the long run. That's just being pragmatic.


I honestly believe that the signing (and retention) of Braman shows the Texans aren't completely close-minded to "character flaws". It's just a guess, but I'm thinking that if we knew more than we know, Braman would be far from the only example.

I think the Texans take the approach that if they can get comfortable that the problems/character flaws exhibited in the past won't pose a problem down the road, they're willing to sign the player, but they've got to be at that point before they bring someone in. You can argue with the execution of that line of thinking all day, but it's tough to argue with the underlying premise.

Also, I think there's a component of the "every time someone you've heard of gets cut - someone starts clamoring for the Texans to sign him" syndrome. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometime the Texans don't sign someone because they simply believe he doesn't offer much.

Edit: all that said, I'm guessing there aren't too many fans of the LT led World Champion New York Giants who feel that those Super Bowl trophies are tarnished one bit by any of his off the field actions.

CretorFrigg
11-29-2012, 01:38 PM
Edit: all that said, I'm guessing there aren't too many fans of the LT led World Champion New York Giants who feel that those Super Bowl trophies are tarnished one bit by any of his off the field actions.

I just realized how young I was when I kept thinking Ladainian Tomlinson never played for the Giants. It took a while before it hit me that you were talking about Lawrence Taylor.

:kitten:

Playoffs
11-30-2012, 09:05 PM
Lions' Gunther Cunningham defends Ndamukong Suh, rips Matt Schaub's comments (http://www.freep.com/article/20121130/SPORTS01/121130062/detroit-lions-gunther-cunningham)

“What is a Texan, anyhow?” Cunningham scoffed, before he lit into Schaub.

“You never make derogatory statements about another player and another team,” Cunningham said. “If you say that, then say it behind closed doors and keep it that way. But you don’t come out in the paper and start saying things like that.

“And, you know, I’m sure Matt’s a great guy and he got caught up in the emotions. And I’ll forgive him for it — this time.”

Well, Gummter, a Texan is what you just lost to, fool.

Quick II Draw
11-30-2012, 09:26 PM
This is by far the most bizarre inflammatory statement I've ever heard from Schaub. And it wasn't even that bad. It's just so weird hearing it from Schaub.

Schaub has got to be the most ridiculously professional/composed QB I've ever seen. The guy NEVER loses his head,no matter what. He's like a walking talking press release. I'm really thankful that it's guys like Schaub and Andre who the young Texans have to look up to.

TheMatrix31
11-30-2012, 09:32 PM
I'd rather have the Texans Way even if we never get a Super Bowl. The team is a natural extension of my personality, otherwise I wouldn't be rooting for them. Interesting how personalities of people and the teams they root for end up resembling one another over the years.

There is no joy in celebrating a Super Bowl win if the team you root for is filled with pieces of ****. At least for me.

NitroGSXR
11-30-2012, 09:45 PM
I'd rather have the Texans Way even if we never get a Super Bowl. The team is a natural extension of my personality, otherwise I wouldn't be rooting for them. Interesting how personalities of people and the teams they root for end up resembling one another over the years.

There is no joy in celebrating a Super Bowl win if the team you root for is filled with pieces of ****. At least for me.

I don't know man... I'd probably fraternize with Lucifer if it meant a SB.

ThaShark316
11-30-2012, 09:53 PM
I'd rather have the Texans Way even if we never get a Super Bowl. The team is a natural extension of my personality, otherwise I wouldn't be rooting for them. Interesting how personalities of people and the teams they root for end up resembling one another over the years.

There is no joy in celebrating a Super Bowl win if the team you root for is filled with pieces of ****. At least for me.

Pieces of **** on the field, I presume....

TheMatrix31
12-01-2012, 02:15 AM
Both on or off the field.

thunderkyss
12-01-2012, 09:38 AM
This is by far the most bizarre inflammatory statement I've ever heard from Schaub. And it wasn't even that bad. It's just so weird hearing it from Schaub.

Schaub has got to be the most ridiculously professional/composed QB I've ever seen. The guy NEVER loses his head,no matter what. He's like a walking talking press release. I'm really thankful that it's guys like Schaub and Andre who the young Texans have to look up to.

Keep in mind how many times Schaub has been injured because of "dirty" plays..... he may be fed up & felt like saying something this time.

GP
12-01-2012, 11:48 AM
Well, I am pretty sure we're going to be scheduled to play the Lions again next year after all the fireworks over this issue.

1. Thanksgiving Day game that went into OT (i.e. Not The Typical Blowout)

2. "The Kick Heard 'Round The World" by Suh.

3. Forsett's TD that wasn't a TD but remained a TD

4. Schaub's comments to the media the week after

5. And now the Lions' d-coord trying to discredit Schaub AND the Texans

Yeah, I'd say the networks will be prodding the league office to book Texans-Lions next year. I think a MNF game or SNF or Thursday Night game. Something they can really use to talk up the rematch.

TejasTom
12-01-2012, 11:53 AM
Yeah, I'd say the networks will be prodding the league office to book Texans-Lions next year. I think a MNF game or SNF or Thursday Night game. Something they can really use to talk up the rematch.

It won't matter, they're on a 4 yr rotation.

ObsiWan
12-01-2012, 11:54 AM
Well, I am pretty sure we're going to be scheduled to play the Lions again next year after all the fireworks over this issue.

1. Thanksgiving Day game that went into OT (i.e. Not The Typical Blowout)

2. "The Kick Heard 'Round The World" by Suh.

3. Forsett's TD that wasn't a TD but remained a TD

4. Schaub's comments to the media the week after

5. And now the Lions' d-coord trying to discredit Schaub AND the Texans

Yeah, I'd say the networks will be prodding the league office to book Texans-Lions next year. I think a MNF game or SNF or Thursday Night game. Something they can really use to talk up the rematch.

I warned you guys about the media going all... "Ooooh, did you hear what Schaub said about you?"

The media is the real issue here. Like a bunch of kids instigating a fight in the school yard.
Sickening. Vandemeer included since he started it.

GP
12-01-2012, 11:55 AM
It won't matter, they're on a 4 yr rotation.

Ah, you're right. NVM.

I read that earlier in the week and just forgot. Thanks for reminder.

GP
12-01-2012, 11:58 AM
I warned you guys about the media going all... "Ooooh, did you hear what Schaub said about you?"

The media is the real issue here. Like a bunch of kids instigating a fight in the school yard.
Sickening. Vandemeer included since he started it.

LOL. Eh, I kinda' like it this time. It's coffee sipping stuff. Mmmmm...good!

Matty getting his "trash talk on" is awesome. It's about time.

Thorn
12-01-2012, 12:00 PM
LOL. Eh, I kinda' like it this time. It's coffee sipping stuff. Mmmmm...good!

Matty getting his "trash talk on" is awesome. It's about time.

Matty's trash talk is Disney rated. LOL

TD
12-01-2012, 12:49 PM
I'm just curious about where each of us draws the line as individuals:

Boy Scout<--------------------------------------------->Suh

I don't want anyone who through on/off field behavior jeopardizes being on the field when they're really needed. Plugging holes created by injury is hard enough without adding stupidity to the mix.

ObsiWan
12-01-2012, 12:54 PM
I don't want anyone who through on/off field behavior jeopardizes being on the field when they're really needed. Plugging holes created by injury is hard enough without adding stupidity to the mix.

Exactly.

76Texan
12-01-2012, 12:55 PM
Matty's trash talk is Disney rated. LOL

He needs to come and learn from Master Thorn, LOL

dalemurphy
12-01-2012, 01:02 PM
I don't know man... I'd probably fraternize with Lucifer if it meant a SB.

As a former Cowboy fan of the early to mid 1990s, let me assure you that the winning becomes small compensation in a hurry... Rooting for Switzer and Jones, particularly, sucked all the joy out of their 3rd Superbowl victory and sent me running for other pastures- even if it meant losing. By the way, I have enjoyed my years as a Texans' fan more than I ever did rooting for the Cowboys. In my opinion, this is the best part of the ride: the process of going from an upstart to a championship-caliber team. I know that I'm in the minority, but I am in no hurry to win the Superbowl... nothing is as sweet as the first one, and I wouldn't mind a year or two of close calls before we get there. It makes it that much sweeter.

By the way, I've been an Atlanta Braves' fan since 1981, so I have a unique perspective regarding disappointment in the playoffs and close calls.

Speedy
12-01-2012, 01:09 PM
The Houston Texans have as many playoff wins in their 11 year history, as the Detroit Lions have since 1958 - ONE. They can say what they want about the "Texans Way", I'll take that 8 days a week over the "Lions Way".

76Texan
12-01-2012, 01:10 PM
As a former Cowboy fan of the early to mid 1990s, let me assure you that the winning becomes small compensation in a hurry... Rooting for Switzer and Jones, particularly, sucked all the joy out of their 3rd Superbowl victory and sent me running for other pastures- even if it meant losing. By the way, I have enjoyed my years as a Texans' fan more than I ever did rooting for the Cowboys. In my opinion, this is the best part of the ride: the process of going from an upstart to a championship-caliber team. I know that I'm in the minority, but I am in no hurry to win the Superbowl... nothing is as sweet as the first one, and I wouldn't mind a year or two of close calls before we get there. It makes it that much sweeter.

By the way, I've been an Atlanta Braves' fan since 1981, so I have a unique perspective regarding disappointment in the playoffs and close calls.

Yeah, just like we hate Bud Adams even before he moved the Oilers to Tennessee

Hooston Texan
12-01-2012, 01:33 PM
I warned you guys about the media going all... "Ooooh, did you hear what Schaub said about you?"

The media is the real issue here. Like a bunch of kids instigating a fight in the school yard.
Sickening. Vandemeer included since he started it.

Half of the media tries to goad athletes/coaches into saying something controversial so the other half can shout about them.

Actually, it was Nick Wright, not Vandermeer, who asked the two questions that launched all this silliness.

Even if Suh's kick was purely accidental, it's hard to blame the guy who's nuts took the shot for being a little perturbed. And, frankly, I kind of like the "Houston Texan-worty" meme that has launched.

Giant Tiger
12-01-2012, 07:45 PM
Lions' Gunther Cunningham defends Ndamukong Suh, rips Matt Schaub's comments (http://www.freep.com/article/20121130/SPORTS01/121130062/detroit-lions-gunther-cunningham)



Well, Gummter, a Texan is what you just lost to, fool.

What a POS goon coach. I expected that from him after seeing him kick his clipboard. Lions fans can have him. Where's the barf smilie?

thunderkyss
12-01-2012, 08:59 PM
What a POS goon coach. I expected that from him after seeing him kick his clipboard. Lions fans can have him. Where's the barf smilie?

& that's why that talented defense will be wasted over the next 2-3 years. It's all top down & if they're going to defend suh when he does crap like that, they'll never control him, never be able to coach him, never make him the player he can be.

That's why he was better as a rookie than he is now.

TheMatrix31
12-02-2012, 02:23 AM
**** you Gunther. What the **** is a GUNTHER?

rmartin65
12-02-2012, 07:53 AM
**** you Gunther. What the **** is a GUNTHER?

Gunther \g(u)-nther, gun-ther\ as a boy's name is pronounced GUN-ther. It is of German origin, and the meaning of Gunther is "battler, warrior". Gunnar is a Scandinavian variant
Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Gunther#O3puAFVTADRPaz8M.99


http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Gunther

robroy72
12-02-2012, 10:14 AM
**** you Gunther. What the **** is a GUNTHER?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbYtqAWDF2U

Oooooh.... :turtle:

Playoffs
12-02-2012, 10:48 AM
Where's the barf smilie?Here ya go:

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk243/lunatica_lunatica/gifs/vomit5.gif

Playoffs
12-03-2012, 08:42 AM
Suh angered the Colts by laughing and dancing with teammates after he knocked Colts right tackle Winston Justice to the ground. The hit came after a Don Carey interception in the fourth quarter, and Justice left the game with a concussion.

“Totally ignorant on their part,” Colts right guard Mike McGlynn said, via Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star. “Just childish stuff. We’re all battling out there; I don’t know if the hit was legal or not, but clearly he was hurt, and they’re out there dancing and pointing at him and laughing. Just blatant disrespect. They’re good players but there’s no room for that. It’s disgusting, really.

“If that had happened to one of their players, we’d never do something like that. But that’s what makes this even sweeter. That’s why they lose. I hope they never win another game.”

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121202/SPORTS15/212020354/Bob-Kravitz-Comeback-win-versus-Lions-signature-moment-Andrew-Luck?nclick_check=1

Giant Tiger
12-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Here ya go:

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk243/lunatica_lunatica/gifs/vomit5.gif

Thanks, I needed a laugh :spit: