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Exascor
11-26-2012, 12:32 PM
Don't expect perfection. When you see games like Buffalo that didn't turn out to be as big a win as everyone expected, or tight games against inferior teams like OT victories vs the Jags & Lions it creates seeds of doubt. We all know that teams can win the Superbowl as a wildcard team. The Giants just won the Superbowl after a 9-7 regular season. That's 7 turds they laid. Plus...5 of their WINS were by 4 points or less. Not very impressive. Even teams that win 14+ in the regular season like the Colts in 2009 have some close games. They went 14-0 and sat players for the final 2 games (they lost both). Here's the scores of those 14 Colts wins:

Jags - 14-12
@ Dolphins - 27-23
@ Cards - 31-10
Seahawks - 34-17
@ Titans - 31-9
@ Rams - 42-6
49ers - 18-14
Texans - 20-17
Pats - 35-34
@ Ravens - 17-15
@ Texans - 35-27
Titans - 27-17
Broncos - 28-16
@ Jags - 35-31

Sure, that schedule didn't have many creampuffs on it but there also were 8 one score wins. Not exactly dominating. Other than the 16-0 2007 Patriots (who lost the SB) there hasn't been a team that dominates week after week in the regular season. The NFL is too difficult.

Bad teams beat themselves. Good teams find ways to win. We finally have a team that is a true contender. The NFL regular season record is only used to set up the playoffs.

Bottom line is: All we should care about is the Texans going on a 3 game win streak in the playoffs and returning from from New Orleans with a silver trophy with a football on top.

thunderkyss
11-26-2012, 12:46 PM
Speaking of which, shouldn't they have already sent out the play-off invoices?

I'm ready. Been ready. I know Bob wants my money, what's the hold up?

infantrycak
11-26-2012, 01:08 PM
Speaking of which, shouldn't they have already sent out the play-off invoices?

I'm ready. Been ready. I know Bob wants my money, what's the hold up?

Why? They haven't even clinched yet.

thunderkyss
11-26-2012, 01:28 PM
Why? They haven't even clinched yet.

I know. Just a little impatient.

Texans_Chick
11-26-2012, 01:33 PM
Speaking of which, shouldn't they have already sent out the play-off invoices?

I'm ready. Been ready. I know Bob wants my money, what's the hold up?

They sent the letter making sure they had your right address.

All in good time.

thunderkyss
11-26-2012, 01:44 PM
They sent the letter making sure they had your right address.

All in good time.

When I saw it, I thought it was the invoice for the play-off games. I was thinking, "My, they're feeling very confident."

Allstar
11-26-2012, 01:49 PM
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TheDream34
11-26-2012, 02:44 PM
Ugh... We should have won both of those Colts games that year. Should have been a wild card team that year.

Speedy
11-26-2012, 02:53 PM
Speaking of which, shouldn't they have already sent out the play-off invoices?

I'm ready. Been ready. I know Bob wants my money, what's the hold up?

If I remember right, they sent them out after the first week of December (6th-10th somewhere around there) with a deadline of the 23rd or something like that, maybe a little later.

TexansBull
11-26-2012, 04:39 PM
How many remember that the Patriots came close to losing to an AJ Feeley led Eagles...Speaking about the Patriots, where would they be with out that kicker Vinateari(sp)?

To me, no such thing as a good L or a bad W.

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badboy
11-26-2012, 05:05 PM
Some people are just happy with getting across the finish line. Some like to brag about ribbons and trophies. I remember getting a ribbon for three rabbits I enterred at Houston Fat Stock Show as a kid. Momma liked it but I was only one entered in that category and judge told me they were not even show rabbit quality. He felt sorry for me.

Sure asloppy win is acceptable but I watch sports to be entertained not so I can brag on my team being less pukey than the opponent. Too many sloppies and I go elsewhere.

thunderkyss
11-26-2012, 05:19 PM
Sure asloppy win is acceptable but I watch sports to be entertained not so I can brag on my team being less pukey than the opponent. Too many sloppies and I go elsewhere.

Sloppy is one thing. I didn't think either the Jags game or the Lions game was sloppy. I was thoroughly entertained.

Well, the Jags was a little sloppy, missed assignments & what not. But it's not like we turned the ball over 8 times or shot ourselves in the foot the way the Jets did. We got caught sleeping & managed to pull out a W.

It doesn't bother me that the Jags were 1-8. Or that the Lions have a losing record anymore than it bothers Belichick that the Seahawks started a rookie QB, or that Arizona doesn't even know who their QB is, or that they had to score 37 to beat the Bills, or that they lost to a team the Texans destroyed.

It's all football & entertaining, and if it weren't for the parity in the league, most of us wouldn't be watching.

Bull Pen 1
11-26-2012, 07:42 PM
Speaking of which, shouldn't they have already sent out the play-off invoices?

I'm ready. Been ready. I know Bob wants my money, what's the hold up?


They are in now, payment due by Dec 14th.

You can see them on line, go to Houston Texans web site, the tickets, then sign in to you account.

Texan_Bill
11-26-2012, 07:45 PM
They sent the letter making sure they had your right address.

All in good time.

Damnit woman!! You just reminded me that I haven't mailed or faxed that sheet in yet.... Okay, maybe not "damnit woman" but more like: "Thank you Steph for reminding me......"

Speedy
11-26-2012, 07:51 PM
Some people are just happy with getting across the finish line. Some like to brag about ribbons and trophies. I remember getting a ribbon for three rabbits I enterred at Houston Fat Stock Show as a kid. Momma liked it but I was only one entered in that category and judge told me they were not even show rabbit quality. He felt sorry for me.

Sure asloppy win is acceptable but I watch sports to be entertained not so I can brag on my team being less pukey than the opponent. Too many sloppies and I go elsewhere.

What team ever just rolls through a season? As has been mentioned, the Giants, the SUPER BOWL CHAMPION GIANTS, lost 7 games last year. Say what you want about them, they have the hardware, and if you tell Giant fan they slopped to the title, it doesn't matter. Scoreboard.

The Texans may be playing through some sloppy games right now, but they are still winning those games. The Giants played a couple of sloppy games the last 2 weeks and lost. Come January, none of that is really going to mean a whole lot. The Patriots were 16-0 but when January started they were 0-0, just like the other 11 teams that made it to the 2nd season.

Teams have bad stretches of games. The best teams lose to the worst teams on any given day. You just have bad days. You get into funks. That's just the nature of sports. The fact that the Texans are still finding ways to win when not playing their best is pretty freaking sweet. If the Texans are having one of those bad days in January, the fact that they know they can win a game like that can only help.

2 straight years of double digit wins sure beats 9 straight years of no playoffs. Let's enjoy the ride for a change.

badboy
11-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Sloppy is one thing. I didn't think either the Jags game or the Lions game was sloppy. I was thoroughly entertained.

Well, the Jags was a little sloppy, missed assignments & what not. But it's not like we turned the ball over 8 times or shot ourselves in the foot the way the Jets did. We got caught sleeping & managed to pull out a W.

It doesn't bother me that the Jags were 1-8. Or that the Lions have a losing record anymore than it bothers Belichick that the Seahawks started a rookie QB, or that Arizona doesn't even know who their QB is, or that they had to score 37 to beat the Bills, or that they lost to a team the Texans destroyed.

It's all football & entertaining, and if it weren't for the parity in the league, most of us wouldn't be watching.Parity for me is that every team has same chance to get better. Parity is not 17 teams under 500 and 5 more @545 (6-5). This is why Ws are not the main reason I watch. I really bothered me that a 1-8 team gave us a real run for our money. Lions was a bit different but did keep me on edge of seat. If most of our games were like Jags, I would probably quit watching. Now as we are keepin our #1 rank and other teams realize they have to bring it or they're going home with tails between their legs, it does get harder. I don't see any easy teams left but I don't see any I fear. If Joseph is solid against N.E. we should beat them. I think Tate could be the turning point for us if he comes back productive. With our three backs we should manhandle all future opponents.

Speedy
11-26-2012, 07:59 PM
And the funny thing is, the Texans will get it together next Sunday, bash the Inbreds 42-10, and it still won't be good enough because it was the Inbreds. Hard to please some people.

badboy
11-26-2012, 08:04 PM
What team ever just rolls through a season? As has been mentioned, the Giants, the SUPER BOWL CHAMPION GIANTS, lost 7 games last year. Say what you want about them, they have the hardware, and if you tell Giant fan they slopped to the title, it doesn't matter. Scoreboard.

The Texans may be playing through some sloppy games right now, but they are still winning those games. The Giants played a couple of sloppy games the last 2 weeks and lost. Come January, none of that is really going to mean a whole lot. The Patriots were 16-0 but when January started they were 0-0, just like the other 11 teams that made it to the 2nd season.

Teams have bad stretches of games. The best teams lose to the worst teams on any given day. You just have bad days. You get into funks. That's just the nature of sports. The fact that the Texans are still finding ways to win when not playing their best is pretty freaking sweet. If the Texans are having one of those bad days in January, the fact that they know they can win a game like that can only help.

2 straight years of double digit wins sure beats 9 straight years of no playoffs. Let's enjoy the ride for a change.I see bad day diffferent than sloppy day. A bad day is when Schaub bounce a pass off a TE and it is intercepted, or referees don't blow whistle when the runner is down and a TD that wasn't beats you. A bad day is when you just miss your block, tackle, a hole or you jump just a second too soon and the pass brushes your fingers.

The last three games have been good for me and the Texans to see that they can still win; slop would not have gotten a win. It is also good to see the coaching.

It seems though that I am outnumbered that most just want a trophy regardless of how it comes.

I AM NOT saying this is a sloppy team but there has been some sloppy plays.

Texan_Bill
11-26-2012, 08:04 PM
And the funny thing is, the Texans will get it together next Sunday, bash the Inbreds 42-10, and it still won't be good enough because it was the Inbreds. Hard to please some people.

Not Inbreds, "Tinnbreds".. Sheesh, get it right. :kitten:

That said, I'm calling another close game. The Tinnbreds are a divisional foe and we certainly are having a target on our back. I don't think it will be nearly the nail-biter that the last two games have been, but I'm thinking it will be more like a 21-10 or a 27-17 type game.

badboy
11-26-2012, 08:06 PM
And the funny thing is, the Texans will get it together next Sunday, bash the Inbreds 42-10, and it still won't be good enough because it was the Inbreds. Hard to please some people.We should beat them by that score but do you think we will? Does not mean it will be sloppy but I expect us to beat the opponent on the field whether the scoreboard reflects it or not.

thunderkyss
11-26-2012, 08:23 PM
What team ever just rolls through a season? As has been mentioned, the Giants, the SUPER BOWL CHAMPION GIANTS, lost 7 games last year. Say what you want about them, they have the hardware, and if you tell Giant fan they slopped to the title, it doesn't matter. Scoreboard.

I've got a NYGiants fan at work. Everytime I tell him they slopped their way to the Super Bowl, he says, "Yeah!!, Twice, so what's your point. We'll probably do it again."

ThaShark316
11-26-2012, 08:27 PM
The last 6 (9 if you include the playoffs) games for NE in 2007's 16-0 run, they weren't DOMINANT at all.

Check it out for yourselves. After the 10-0 start:

Struggled vs. PHI
Refs screwed the Ravens
The PIT game was 17-13 in the 3rd
20-10 win over NYJ...Brady was horrid that day
Brady not sharp vs. ONE WIN Miami
We all know about the shootout in week 17 vs. NYG

JAX took them to the limit in the divisional round, SD had a boatload of injuries (Remember Rivers playing with an ACL tear; LT being out after 2-3 plays) and they lost the Super Bowl.

Looking for the Mona Lisa week to week just is unrealistic.

thunderkyss
11-26-2012, 08:30 PM
And the funny thing is, the Texans will get it together next Sunday, bash the Inbreds 42-10, and it still won't be good enough because it was the Inbreds. Hard to please some people.

It's all about context. Chances are the score was 42-3 to start the 4th Qtr. But because Kubiak turtled up, he allowed the Tits to score a TD & almost let them back in the game.

You know as well as I do, you won't win against the better teams in the NFL playing that way.


I mean forget the fact that we did. Other than that, it's not going to happen.

Speedy
11-26-2012, 10:04 PM
We should beat them by that score but do you think we will? Does not mean it will be sloppy but I expect us to beat the opponent on the field whether the scoreboard reflects it or not.

It doesn't matter what I think they'll do. What I know is, if they have more points than Tennessee when the clock hits triple zero, they'll be 11-1 no matter what the game looked like or how they did it. I don't care if the final score is 2-0 or 55-54.

You can say they won't beat so and so if they play like that all you want. Nobody knows what will happen until they play the game.

A football season is brutal. You're not just going to breeze through it no matter how good you are. Guys hit a wall, hit a lull, injuries take their toll, and you've got to fight through it, hope you get healthy, catch your second wind, and finish the job.

Right now the Texans are finding ways to still win those games, games they probably shouldn't be, and would lose in a heartbeat in seasons prior. The last 2 games, 3 really, haven't looked pretty, but all 3 went in the W column. I don't see how you can ask for more than that.

It's not a league about looking good winning, it's a league about winning, period.

Texan_Bill
11-26-2012, 10:15 PM
As opposed to what??? Quality of losses????

And what I mean by that is:

Would you rather have losses where the Texans lost but playing a good game and just coming up short.....

--OR--

The Texans scraping out wins????



I'm going with the wins, me!

SAMURAITEXAN
11-27-2012, 03:40 AM
As opposed to what??? Quality of losses????

And what I mean by that is:

Would you rather have losses where the Texans lost but playing a good game and just coming up short.....

--OR--

The Texans scraping out wins????



I'm going with the wins, me!

I am totally with you Bill. Just win baby!!!

Go Texans!!!

SheTexan
11-27-2012, 07:27 AM
It's the score at the end of the game that counts, NOTHING ELSE!! Let's move on!!

NOW, I've gotta come up with a small fortune before Christmas to pay for playoff tickets! Money spent that truly puts a huge smile on my face!!

76Texan
11-27-2012, 09:45 AM
As opposed to what??? Quality of losses????

And what I mean by that is:

Would you rather have losses where the Texans lost but playing a good game and just coming up short.....

--OR--

The Texans scraping out wins????



I'm going with the wins, me!
Before the season, (fill in your name) "predict" the Texans will go (fill in your prediction).

One of the game they probably lose to is the Broncos on the road.
And why the hell is is that they almost let Manning come back?

Yeah, they probably lose to the Packers. But boy, never thought is would be so bad. How are they going to handle other good teams on the road?

Pretty sure they lose in Windy City, too.
But man, the offense looks so bad, stupid Schaub and his stupid INTs again.

Sure they should win against the Bills but should have score more. The spread was 10 points, and they only won by 12.

Told you so shoulda fire Kubiak and make Wade the HC. Looks how many points the Jags and the Lions scored.

Oops, wrong thread. This post shoulda been in the Irony thread; so sorry!
:vincepalm:

badboy
11-27-2012, 09:48 AM
It's the score at the end of the game that counts, NOTHING ELSE!! Let's move on!!

NOW, I've gotta come up with a small fortune before Christmas to pay for playoff tickets! Money spent that truly puts a huge smile on my face!!Well if that is true why watch the game? Just tune in and get final score. :butterfly:

GlassHalfFull
11-27-2012, 10:16 AM
Well if that is true why watch the game? Just tune in and get final score. :butterfly:

:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Oh my, you know not what you do. Good luck with that post.

:shetexan: :chili:

badboy
11-27-2012, 10:20 AM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Oh my, you know not what you do. Good luck with that post.

:shetexan: :chili:I know what I do. Thought about it before enterring but she has a sense of humor.

76Texan
11-27-2012, 10:29 AM
I know what I do. Thought about it before enterring but she has a sense of humor.

Bad boy being bad, LOL

thunderkyss
11-27-2012, 10:36 AM
This post shoulda been in the Irony thread; so sorry!


Well actually, that's not.......

whoops, thought you were someone else.

I agree.

DocBar
11-27-2012, 11:19 AM
As opposed to what??? Quality of losses????

And what I mean by that is:

Would you rather have losses where the Texans lost but playing a good game and just coming up short.....
--OR--

The Texans scraping out wins????



I'm going with the wins, me!I've had enough of the "moral" victories.
They never got the team into the playoffs. I'll take the ugly wins all day long.
:fans:

badboy
11-27-2012, 11:49 AM
Bad boy being bad, LOLHey now, I resemble that remark. :hurrah:

SheTexan
11-27-2012, 12:24 PM
Well if that is true why watch the game? Just tune in and get final score. :butterfly:

Because the GAME is the reason we are fans!:) At the end of the day it's still the score that matters. Besides, if I don't watch the game there would be NO reason to log on to TT :kitten:

Speedy
11-27-2012, 04:21 PM
Speaking of which, shouldn't they have already sent out the play-off invoices?

I'm ready. Been ready. I know Bob wants my money, what's the hold up?

Invoices are online. All I can say is OUCH!!!

SAMURAITEXAN
11-27-2012, 06:54 PM
Bottom line. Would you take ugly win in SB? Or, would you rather see the Texans in hard fought game but loose? I'd seen enough of hard fought loses. I want the Texans to Win and Win it all if possible whether it is ugly or not. Doesn't matter if the game is a perfect one or not! Of course, I want the Texans to Win in strong commanding lead fashion. But, I won't complain if we win in ugly fashion. We waited long enough! Houston deserve to have a Lombardi Trophy. And, that's all I can say to this subject.

Go Texans!!!

76Texan
11-27-2012, 06:59 PM
Bottom line. Would you take ugly win in SB? Or, would you rather see the Texans in hard fought game but loose? I'd seen enough of hard fought loses. I want the Texans to Win and Win it all if possible whether it is ugly or not. Doesn't matter if the game is a perfect one or not! Of course, I want the Texans to Win in strong commanding lead fashion. But, I won't complain if we win in ugly fashion. We waited long enough! Houston deserve to have a Lombardi Trophy. And, that's all I can say to this subject.

Go Texans!!!

Preach it again Samurai-San!

Did I use the term correctly? LOL

thunderkyss
11-27-2012, 07:22 PM
Houston deserve to have a Lombardi Trophy.



pssshhhhhhhh........ Houston can't even get a space shuttle.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-27-2012, 07:25 PM
Preach it again Samurai-San!

Did I use the term correctly? LOL

Well grass hopper76, Sun rises from east and sets on west. In realty, Earth is spinning instead of Sun or my head is spinning. Do you understand grass hopper76? Because, I don't understand what I am saying. :kubepalm:

76Texan
11-27-2012, 07:30 PM
pssshhhhhhhh........ Houston can't even get a space shuttle.

I read a fiction or two; in cases similar to this, we normally have something built by the Japanese or stashed somewhere in Japan (one of them is Contact by Carl Sagan, the famous astronomer.) http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif :worldpeace:

76Texan
11-27-2012, 07:34 PM
Well grass hopper76, Sun rises from east and sets on west. In realty, Earth is spinning instead of Sun or my head is spinning. Do you understand grass hopper76? Because, I don't understand what I am saying. :kubepalm:

Sensei, :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Exascor
11-28-2012, 06:46 AM
pssshhhhhhhh........ Houston can't even get a space shuttle.But...we got one of the planes that carried them!!!

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 06:58 AM
But...we got one of the planes that carried them!!!

Sounds like an AFC Championship game appearance to me.

badboy
11-28-2012, 08:56 AM
Bottom line. Would you take ugly win in SB? Or, would you rather see the Texans in hard fought game but loose? I'd seen enough of hard fought loses. I want the Texans to Win and Win it all if possible whether it is ugly or not. Doesn't matter if the game is a perfect one or not! Of course, I want the Texans to Win in strong commanding lead fashion. But, I won't complain if we win in ugly fashion. We waited long enough! Houston deserve to have a Lombardi Trophy. And, that's all I can say to this subject.

Go Texans!!!Good question & one I have considered. If we had a season with some sloppy games, I would not be happy with a sloppy SB win. I do know that the feeling I had after that type of win would not be a good one. I have experienced a yucky feeling after a yucky win. I did not watch any of the games when Astros went to World Series. I had no connection with the players who did not inspire me to follow them.

I am not talking about games we win when the other team has injuries or bad play. It is about my team and how they play. One or two sloppy games in a season does not make me stop watching but if I don't see attempts to correct, I rapidly lose interest. For me it is more about doing your best against the best. Slop is for pigs.

GlassHalfFull
11-28-2012, 09:04 AM
Good question & one I have considered. If we had a season with some sloppy games, I would not be happy with a sloppy SB win. I do know that the feeling I had after that type of win would not be a good one. I have experienced a yucky feeling after a yucky win. I did not watch any of the games when Astros went to World Series. I had no connection with the players who did not inspire me to follow them.

I am not talking about games we win when the other team has injuries or bad play. It is about my team and how they play. One or two sloppy games in a season does not make me stop watching but if I don't see attempts to correct, I rapidly lose interest. For me it is more about doing your best against the best. Slop is for pigs.

I have a huge amount of respect for the players that go out there week after week to entertain us. Not a single one of them isn't banged up and hurting after a couple of games. Yes, they get the big payday, but they are putting heart and soul on the field each week.

How can you watch the way JJ has answered the battle call the last few weeks and not be impressed? Or how Schaub and AJ have dug in and kept battling?

I just do not get the negative attitude. Go tell JJ or AJ that slop is for pigs. This is the NFL and each and every Sunday any team can surprise you.

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 09:08 AM
I have a huge amount of respect for the players that go out there week after week to entertain us. Not a single one of them isn't banged up and hurting after a couple of games. Yes, they get the big payday, but they are putting heart and soul on the field each week.

How can you watch the way JJ has answered the battle call the last few weeks and not be impressed? Or how Schaub and AJ have dug in and kept battling?

I just do not get the negative attitude. Go tell JJ or AJ that slop is for pigs. This is the NFL and each and every Sunday any team can surprise you.

Agreed. I like to see them overcome adversity. It would have been nice if that adversity came against the Ravens or the Bears, but it didn't. We steam rolled them & struggled against the Jags & Detroit.

Jags, I think they got caught sleeping. Detroit, we were hurt'n & that was a physical game. It happens.

badboy
11-28-2012, 09:20 AM
I have a huge amount of respect for the players that go out there week after week to entertain us. Not a single one of them isn't banged up and hurting after a couple of games. Yes, they get the big payday, but they are putting heart and soul on the field each week.

How can you watch the way JJ has answered the battle call the last few weeks and not be impressed? Or how Schaub and AJ have dug in and kept battling?

I just do not get the negative attitude. Go tell JJ or AJ that slop is for pigs. This is the NFL and each and every Sunday any team can surprise you.I don't recall saying either JJ or AJ or Schaub have played sloppily. You need to look again at the thread title that the "quality of wins-not important". I disagree with that and I think most Texans players would also. I agree with all you say in this post except where you think I have a negative attitude. I do not want to seem like I am attacking you. I would not do that, but you do have the rep for not being able to critique the Texans. I enjoy your enthusiasm but you are like the mom who never tells her kids they are doing something wrong. I think you can love someone and still be honest with them. Coaches do that on a regular basis. You can bet behind the scenes, Wade and Gary point out slop when they see it. IMO so do the players you identify; they are supreme competitors. Jags game was a sloppy one by the team.

Again I am not talking about the "any given Sunday.." game where a team just gets upset by a perceived lesser team. Players know when they are sloppy. We should also. I am more critical of myself than others are of me. I think most competitors are.

badboy
11-28-2012, 09:21 AM
Agreed. I like to see them overcome adversity. It would have been nice if that adversity came against the Ravens or the Bears, but it didn't. We steam rolled them & struggled against the Jags & Detroit.

Jags, I think they got caught sleeping. Detroit, we were hurt'n & that was a physical game. It happens.Agree.

GlassHalfFull
11-28-2012, 09:38 AM
I don't recall saying either JJ or AJ or Schaub have played sloppily. You need to look again at the thread title that the "quality of wins-not important". I disagree with that and I think most Texans players would also. I agree with all you say in this post except where you think I have a negative attitude. I do not want to seem like I am attacking you. I would not do that, but you do have the rep for not being able to critique the Texans. I enjoy your enthusiasm but you are like the mom who never tells her kids they are doing something wrong. I think you can love someone and still be honest with them. Coaches do that on a regular basis. You can bet behind the scenes, Wade and Gary point out slop when they see it. IMO so do the players you identify; they are supreme competitors. Jags game was a sloppy one by the team.

Again I am not talking about the "any given Sunday.." game where a team just gets upset by a perceived lesser team. Players know when they are sloppy. We should also. I am more critical of myself than others are of me. I think most competitors are.

I post pretty selectively about the team. I read pretty much everything in the Texans part of the forum, but I only post when I feel something needs defending, so that may be why I come off as not being able to critique the Texans. I really am not a prototypical internet person, I guess. I must still be of the if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all generation. As far as the Mom bit, just ask my boys. I had to stand up to some very strong willed boys, and their current success in life tells me I did a pretty good job. They got told plenty when I felt they were doing something wrong.

I just think it is ridiculous to have the attitude that one would not be happy with a sloppy Super Bowl win. I stood on the sidelines as a sports photographer for 8 years of High School games. As a female of my generation, I obviously never played the game. But being on the sidelines and witnessing up close and personal the physicality of the game and the emotions of the players, I would never discount a win.

I may view my role as a fan differently than yours, but it is dismissive to tell me that I am a mom who can tell my children no wrong. I guess I need to go back to the cooking forum. There is a huge battle going on over range feed vs grocery store eggs.

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 09:46 AM
I disagree with that and I think most Texans players would also.

ooooo.... I don't think the players would agree with you. They know what it's all about. Unless we're talking contract year, a win is a win.

A sloppy game just refocuses them I think. Helps them to remember just how hard it is to win at this level, much less 10 wins in 11 games.

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 09:48 AM
I may view my role as a fan differently than yours, but it is dismissive to tell me that I am a mom who can tell my children no wrong. I guess I need to go back to the cooking forum. There is a huge battle going on over range feed vs grocery store eggs.

Begone woman :chef:..... & get me another beer :barman:.



:evil:

Exascor
11-28-2012, 10:48 AM
You need to look again at the thread title that the "quality of wins-not important". I disagree with that and I think most Texans players would also.Every fan wants their team to win every game and win by 50 points. The point is - IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. That is the point of this thread. Ask any Patriots fan if they would trade 5-6 of their wins in 2007 for a 1 point win in the Superbowl. I'd bet every single fan would do it. Every one.

Sometimes fans (myself included) get too into stats. If the Texans win all the remaining regular season games by 5 points combined - we should all be thrilled. The time for quality of wins ended when Houston beat the Bengals during the regular season last year. Unless there is a sign of a serious problem (like the defense in 2010 after 6 games) it doesn't matter what the score is for a win. Winning big doesn't give you a bigger W. It's only nice when you are playing for next season.

Every team starts the playoffs with the same record. Only the team that wins every game in the playoffs gets to take home the trophy. Doesn't matter how they win. The only goal that the Texans staff and players should be looking at is Superbowl victories. Everything else is just a consolation prize for participating in another team's championship season.

Reread the original post. No team blows through the regular season. Most lay a few turds along the way. Fortunately, the Texans's have had only 1 bad game this season and 2 where they didn't play to their potential for the entire game. The fact that the Texans had some hiccups on defense the past 2 games and the offense exploded shows just how good they are.

The point is to enjoy this season - even the "sloppy" wins.

DocBar
11-28-2012, 10:52 AM
I may view my role as a fan differently than yours, but it is dismissive to tell me that I am a mom who can tell my children no wrong. I guess I need to go back to the cooking forum. There is a huge battle going on over range feed vs grocery store eggs.Range feed, hands down, end of argument. :kitten: :D

76Texan
11-28-2012, 11:39 AM
Every fan wants their team to win every game and win by 50 points. The point is - IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. That is the point of this thread. Ask any Patriots fan if they would trade 5-6 of their wins in 2007 for a 1 point win in the Superbowl. I'd bet every single fan would do it. Every one.

Sometimes fans (myself included) get too into stats. If the Texans win all the remaining regular season games by 5 points combined - we should all be thrilled. The time for quality of wins ended when Houston beat the Bengals during the regular season last year. Unless there is a sign of a serious problem (like the defense in 2010 after 6 games) it doesn't matter what the score is for a win. Winning big doesn't give you a bigger W. It's only nice when you are playing for next season.

Every team starts the playoffs with the same record. Only the team that wins every game in the playoffs gets to take home the trophy. Doesn't matter how they win. The only goal that the Texans staff and players should be looking at is Superbowl victories. Everything else is just a consolation prize for participating in another team's championship season.

Reread the original post. No team blows through the regular season. Most lay a few turds along the way. Fortunately, the Texans's have had only 1 bad game this season and 2 where they didn't play to their potential for the entire game. The fact that the Texans had some hiccups on defense the past 2 games and the offense exploded shows just how good they are.

The point is to enjoy this season - even the "sloppy" wins.I like your post.

76Texan
11-28-2012, 11:48 AM
Begone woman :chef:..... & get me another beer :barman:.



:evil:

So says the man who couldn't convince the Boss to move Thanksgiving meal time to 3:30.

Boss is always right, the move would only serve to delay the feast even further while everybody agonize about both the game and their stomach, LOL

GlassHalfFull
11-28-2012, 11:50 AM
So says the man who couldn't convince the Boss to move Thanksgiving meal time to 3:30.

Boss is always right, the move would only serve to delay the feast even further while everybody agonize about both the game and their stomach, LOL

I was in charge of making the gravy this year at my sister in laws house. We were supposed to eat around 4. The gravy did not get started until the game was over. One way to control the timing.

That was some vigorously stirred gravy......

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 11:53 AM
So says the man who couldn't convince the Boss to move Thanksgiving meal time to 3:30.


ahem.....

:shades:

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 11:55 AM
I was in charge of making the gravy this year at my sister in laws house. We were supposed to eat around 4. The gravy did not get started until the game was over. One way to control the timing.

That was some vigorously stirred gravy......

It actually turned out great. We hit pause. Ate, drank, & whatnot for 45 minutes or so. When we got back to the game (the wimmens too) everybody was pleased that we could fast forward through all the commercials.

They got upset when we caught up with real time.

ObsiWan
11-28-2012, 12:12 PM
I see bad day diffferent than sloppy day. A bad day is when Schaub bounce a pass off a TE and it is intercepted, or referees don't blow whistle when the runner is down and a TD that wasn't beats you. A bad day is when you just miss your block, tackle, a hole or you jump just a second too soon and the pass brushes your fingers.

The last three games have been good for me and the Texans to see that they can still win; slop would not have gotten a win. It is also good to see the coaching.

It seems though that I am outnumbered that most just want a trophy regardless of how it comes.

I AM NOT saying this is a sloppy team but there has been some sloppy plays.

I don't get it.
Is it more important to you to win the race or to lead every, single lap?

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 12:22 PM
I don't get it.
Is it more important to you to win the race or to lead every, single lap?

Not to put words in his mouth, But I think badboy is saying one or two bad games, no problem. But he's not going to sit in the stands, or glued to his TV for 3 hours for 16-19 games a year.

There is a quality to the product most NFL teams put on the field. We don't need to see the keystone Jets every week, regardless of their record.

76Texan
11-28-2012, 12:32 PM
I was in charge of making the gravy this year at my sister in laws house. We were supposed to eat around 4. The gravy did not get started until the game was over. One way to control the timing.

That was some vigorously stirred gravy......

Vigorous stirring is always good LOL

76Texan
11-28-2012, 12:37 PM
It actually turned out great. We hit pause. Ate, drank, & whatnot for 45 minutes or so. When we got back to the game (the wimmens too) everybody was pleased that we could fast forward through all the commercials.

They got upset when we caught up with real time.

Yeah? What if the commercials were about Kay Jewelry and Them perfume and such? You would want to go back to the meal and family tradition in a heartbeat, lol

badboy
11-28-2012, 04:02 PM
I don't get it.
Is it more important to you to win the race or to lead every, single lap?I think you don't get it because you are not reading my posts but perhaps gleening a few words then forming a thought as to what I am saying? The post just below yours from Fiddler is exactly on target. As I have said, a sloppy game like Jacksonville or two in a season or the "any given Sunday.." or injuries happen & not what I am saying. I also am not talking about this Texans' season. My posts (as others should be) are directed at the thread title.

In response to your example which is a good one BTW, I am ok with not leading each lap & I am ok with not winning the race if the runner gives it his best or is injured or he simply trips. I will not follow runner long if he shows up ill prepared, out of shape or disinterested. I want to be entertained by good competition not a toilet paper trophy to cover the....

Exascor
11-28-2012, 04:13 PM
I think you don't get it because you are not reading my posts but perhaps gleening a few words then forming a thought as to what I am saying? The post just below yours from Fiddler is exactly on target. As I have said, a sloppy game like Jacksonville or two in a season or the "any given Sunday.." or injuries happen & not what I am saying. I also am not talking about this Texans' season. My posts (as others should be) are directed at the thread title.

In response to your example which is a good one BTW, I am ok with not leading each lap & I am ok with not winning the race if the runner gives it his best or is injured or he simply trips. I will not follow runner long if he shows up ill prepared, out of shape or disinterested. I want to be entertained by good competition not a toilet paper trophy to cover the....Curious...did you read the original post or just the title?

badboy
11-28-2012, 04:16 PM
I post pretty selectively about the team. I read pretty much everything in the Texans part of the forum, but I only post when I feel something needs defending, so that may be why I come off as not being able to critique the Texans. I really am not a prototypical internet person, I guess. I must still be of the if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all generation. As far as the Mom bit, just ask my boys. I had to stand up to some very strong willed boys, and their current success in life tells me I did a pretty good job. They got told plenty when I felt they were doing something wrong.

I just think it is ridiculous to have the attitude that one would not be happy with a sloppy Super Bowl win. I stood on the sidelines as a sports photographer for 8 years of High School games. As a female of my generation, I obviously never played the game. But being on the sidelines and witnessing up close and personal the physicality of the game and the emotions of the players, I would never discount a win.

I may view my role as a fan differently than yours, but it is dismissive to tell me that I am a mom who can tell my children no wrong. I guess I need to go back to the cooking forum. There is a huge battle going on over range feed vs grocery store eggs.Please do not "go back to cooking forum." I enjoy exchanging ideas with you. We do not have to agree. I made the mom comment as I cannot recall ever reading anything of you being critical of a Texan.

As to your comment about being happy with a sloppy SB win...if that game was only sloppy one all season, I of course would accept it BUT would discuss the areas needing improvement with Texans fans in my social world and this MB.

ObsiWan
11-28-2012, 04:26 PM
I think you don't get it because you are not reading my posts but perhaps gleening a few words then forming a thought as to what I am saying? The post just below yours from Fiddler is exactly on target. As I have said, a sloppy game like Jacksonville or two in a season or the "any given Sunday.." or injuries happen & not what I am saying. I also am not talking about this Texans' season. My posts (as others should be) are directed at the thread title.

In response to your example which is a good one BTW, I am ok with not leading each lap & I am ok with not winning the race if the runner gives it his best or is injured or he simply trips. I will not follow runner long if he shows up ill prepared, out of shape or disinterested. I want to be entertained by good competition not a toilet paper trophy to cover the....

Okay... that makes sense now.

badboy
11-28-2012, 04:45 PM
Every fan wants their team to win every game and win by 50 points. The point is - IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. That is the point of this thread. Ask any Patriots fan if they would trade 5-6 of their wins in 2007 for a 1 point win in the Superbowl. I'd bet every single fan would do it. Every one.

Sometimes fans (myself included) get too into stats. If the Texans win all the remaining regular season games by 5 points combined - we should all be thrilled. The time for quality of wins ended when Houston beat the Bengals during the regular season last year. Unless there is a sign of a serious problem (like the defense in 2010 after 6 games) it doesn't matter what the score is for a win. Winning big doesn't give you a bigger W. It's only nice when you are playing for next season.

Every team starts the playoffs with the same record. Only the team that wins every game in the playoffs gets to take home the trophy. Doesn't matter how they win. The only goal that the Texans staff and players should be looking at is Superbowl victories. Everything else is just a consolation prize for participating in another team's championship season.

Reread the original post. No team blows through the regular season. Most lay a few turds along the way. Fortunately, the Texans's have had only 1 bad game this season and 2 where they didn't play to their potential for the entire game. The fact that the Texans had some hiccups on defense the past 2 games and the offense exploded shows just how good they are.

The point is to enjoy this season - even the "sloppy" wins.You are making my point for me. The first thing you do is define a game based on the score. Remaining games win by total 5 points says nothing about how the games were played.

You focus on the the final score. Yes that decides the contest but tells nothing of the effort/skill/etc. You say it does not matter how they win. I will never agree to that. Why would you follow let alone brag about any team that plays sloppy frequently?

badboy
11-28-2012, 04:56 PM
Curious...did you read the original post or just the title?I did read entire thread, the title and the following stuck out the most:


Bottom line is: All we should care about is the Texans going on a 3 game win streak in the playoffs and returning from from New Orleans with a silver trophy with a football on top.
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I totally disagree with both. I do not see it happening, but if the 3 games are sloppy, I would not be happy.

Answer me this: Do you follow Texans for wins or performance? I have stated on this and other threads for me, it is about performance. Competition. I hate it when college teams usually rated top 10 annually play two or three games against some junior high college and then strut because they have a "great" season. Play that team for the cash it brings but do not count it in the record. As I know someone will argue all teams do that, it does not make it right.

Athletes compete to be competitive.

Exascor
11-28-2012, 05:10 PM
I did read entire thread, the title and the following stuck out the most:


Bottom line is: All we should care about is the Texans going on a 3 game win streak in the playoffs and returning from from New Orleans with a silver trophy with a football on top.
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I totally disagree with both. I do not see it happening, but if the 3 games are sloppy, I would not be happy.

Answer me this: Do you follow Texans for wins or performance? I have stated on this and other threads for me, it is about performance. Competition. I hate it when college teams usually rated top 10 annually play two or three games against some junior high college and then strut because they have a "great" season. Play that team for the cash it brings but do not count it in the record. As I know someone will argue all teams do that, it does not make it right.

Athletes compete to be competitive.Nobody wants to watch garbage football. Nowhere did I state that should be the case. Just don't get so hung up on a win in which your team isn't running on all cylinders. As long as there isn't a pattern then it's just part of the NFL.

I follow the team because:
a) They are the team I choose to follow and have since 1999
b) They have a chance each season to win the Superbowl

Everything else is just building to accomplish "b". As explained above, of course I WANT the team to blow everyone out. I'll complain if my team does poorly. I'm not blind when they make bad decisions. If they don't make it to the playoffs or lose once they are there, it's off to next season. It's frustrating but it happens to 31 teams each year. But...if my team hoists the Lombardi at the end of the year, everything that happened during the season (good or bad) will send me and all the other Texans fans to cloud 9.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-28-2012, 05:32 PM
Good question & one I have considered. If we had a season with some sloppy games, I would not be happy with a sloppy SB win. I do know that the feeling I had after that type of win would not be a good one. I have experienced a yucky feeling after a yucky win. I did not watch any of the games when Astros went to World Series. I had no connection with the players who did not inspire me to follow them.

I am not talking about games we win when the other team has injuries or bad play. It is about my team and how they play. One or two sloppy games in a season does not make me stop watching but if I don't see attempts to correct, I rapidly lose interest. For me it is more about doing your best against the best. Slop is for pigs.

badboy, I fully understand your take of how your favorite team should win the game to have good feeling of the team. I do too. However, I've been a fan of Houston professional teams especially football for long time and I'd seen too many of those hard fought tough loses and would like to see more of wins than those loses. Of course, it would be nice to see very technically and tactically sound game by the Texans but sometimes even so call great team have some hiccup games during regular season and I am some what more forgiven to those hiccups than you.

Yes, I would be lying if I am not concern about our recent D performances.
But to me, this seems more to do with injuries to key players and Wade is trying to figure out how they put puzzles back together to be a good D performance unit. Obviously, lost of Cushing hurt us and J Jo absent also hurt us. However, I am trusting Wade to comes up with a solution and expecting some result VS Titans. I am looking forward to Merci's good showing at WOLB.

Anyway, we all have differences of opinion on things which makes us individually unique human being and it's all good.

Go Texans!!!

Exascor
11-28-2012, 06:06 PM
I did read entire thread, the title and the following stuck out the most:


Bottom line is: All we should care about is the Texans going on a 3 game win streak in the playoffs and returning from from New Orleans with a silver trophy with a football on top.
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I totally disagree with both. I do not see it happening, but if the 3 games are sloppy, I would not be happy.First - I understand that humans are different. I'm really not trying to convince you that your way of looking at it is wrong. This is just the way I look at it.

I have one other thing to add. Herv brought this up to me for a completely different reason but it really applies here.

The Rockets won championships using "Rudy ball". It was the ugliest form of basketball I've ever watched. U G L Y. They just kept winning though. When the Rockets won that last game in the Finals, I've never felt a feeling like that before. Finally a sports team I that was "mine" won the ultimate prize. It was amazing. The only thing that would be better would be an NFL championship. I hope we all get to experience that this year together.

klockWork
11-28-2012, 06:07 PM
In this aspect the quality of wins DOES matter. Because it's affecting the most critical aspects of the game which is defense.
Schaub is not a good enough QB to carry a team against a great defense. Heck, even Brady and Rogers will struggle against great defense. Schaub no where near as great as those QB and he never even play in a playoff game yet!

If you driving your car and it started to make a loud sputtering sound but it got you home, are you just going to shrug it off, pat the hood of your car and say to it, "Don't worry baby, it don't matter how you running, it only matters if you get me there."

Is this what's this thread about? As long as it gets us there? Really?

If you have to drive that car across the country how good do u feel about your chances of making across with a breakdown?

Just because we're winning doesnt mean we can afford to ignore the warning signs.

Exascor
11-28-2012, 07:15 PM
If you driving your car and it started to make a loud sputtering sound but it got you home, are you just going to shrug it off, pat the hood of your car and say to it, "Don't worry baby, it don't matter how you running, it only matters if you get me there."

Is this what's this thread about? As long as it gets us there? Really?

If you have to drive that car across the country how good do u feel about your chances of making across with a breakdown?

Just because we're winning doesnt mean we can afford to ignore the warning signs.Sigh...no you can't ignore problems that have to be corrected. I've pointed that out. If you read the thread it's really about people complaining that we "barely" beat some of the weaker teams.

As long as your sputtering car brings home the Lombardi then yes, that's what the goal is. It's better than having an awesome sports car that goes 200mph but runs out of gas 5 miles from where you need to go right? Patriots reference again.

76Texan
11-28-2012, 07:38 PM
You don't win too many games by being sloppy in this league.

When mis-tackles or miss-assignments mount; that's when you start being concern. It is not rampant here so there's really no point of discussing it. But if one wants to be perfect then by all means :)=P

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 07:41 PM
If you driving your car and it started to make a loud sputtering sound but it got you home, are you just going to shrug it off, pat the hood of your car and say to it, "Don't worry baby, it don't matter how you running, it only matters if you get me there."


A better analogy would be if you're watching your favorite actor on TV in a sputtering car that barely gets him to his destination.

You can opine all you want about that pos, but nothing you do will have any affect on the car's mechanical integrity.

In this case, we've just watched our beloved football team experience real serious issues, manage to overcome it & deliver a victory. Many then expressed the sentiment...... "whew, that was ugly. However, I'm happy as long as we got the W."

After some time has passed... for some it was 5 minutes, others waited until Friday morning, those same people started threads, or participated in threads discussing the deficiencies that were apparent in not only that game, but the two games prior.

We see trends, same as you. We're not ignoring anything. Saying "Quality of Wins- Not Important" doesn't mean we've got our heads in the sand.

Texan_Bill
11-28-2012, 07:45 PM
:facepalm:

76Texan
11-28-2012, 07:49 PM
A better analogy would be if you're watching your favorite actor on TV in a sputtering car that barely gets him to his destination.

You can opine all you want about that pos, but nothing you do will have any affect on the car's mechanical integrity.

In this case, we've just watched our beloved football team experience real serious issues, manage to overcome it & deliver a victory. Many then expressed the sentiment...... "whew, that was ugly. However, I'm happy as long as we got the W."

After some time has passed... for some it was 5 minutes, others waited until Friday morning, those same people started threads, or participated in threads discussing the deficiencies that were apparent in not only that game, but the two games prior.

We see trends, same as you. We're not ignoring anything. Saying "Quality of Wins- Not Important" doesn't mean we've got our heads in the sand.

Sounds like he wants to replace Schaub! :gun:

klockWork
11-28-2012, 08:28 PM
Sounds like I want to replace Schaub? Just because I say he's not as good as Brady or Rogers you gonna get offended by that? I want to take this thread seriously but with reaction like that then I'll probably go and play Madden.

Hervoyel
11-28-2012, 09:22 PM
I was in charge of making the gravy this year at my sister in laws house. We were supposed to eat around 4. The gravy did not get started until the game was over. One way to control the timing.

That was some vigorously stirred gravy......


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Vigorously.gif
Vigorously!

drs23
11-29-2012, 10:00 AM
You don't win too many games by being sloppy in this league.

When mis-tackles or miss-assignments mount; that's when you start being concern. It is not rampant here so there's really no point of discussing it. But if one wants to be perfect then by all means :)=P

Correct 76. Missed field goals damn sure don't help either. Unless the opposing kicker gives us a courtesy yip in return like happened in the two "sloppy" games. Can't count on that every time and personally I'd just as soon not experience it again.

76Texan
11-29-2012, 11:24 AM
Sounds like I want to replace Schaub? Just because I say he's not as good as Brady or Rogers you gonna get offended by that? I want to take this thread seriously but with reaction like that then I'll probably go and play Madden.

By all mean, please do. Thank you :)

Just kidding of course.

I guess people just have different meaning for the word "quality".

The Jags played close to us because we missed several tackles and played the wrong coverage at times. This is rare for us. I fail to see the warning sign that you drummed up.

Despite all those mistakes, we rallied to win the game.
That's a quality win for me

thunderkyss
11-29-2012, 11:31 AM
The Jags played close to us because we missed several tackles and played the wrong coverage at times. This is rare for us. I fail to see the warning sign that you drummed up.


For me, it's that I think Wade will get it fixed. It's disappointing that the defense showed "issues" in back to back weeks, but what happened in the Lions game was completely unrelated to what happened in the Jags game.

Doesn't appear to be the same problem to me, so I'm not going all chicken little.

If I were to just look at the score, & get distracted by the shiny helmets instead of focusing on the play.... then I can understand some of the "concern"

badboy
11-29-2012, 01:55 PM
I would not be shocked to see 3 of 4 first draft picks in '13 go to defense. A nose, ILB and OLB if Barwin is gone would suit me fine. Of course that is what my mock says.

Thorn
11-29-2012, 03:54 PM
I agree with the thread title, the quality of the wins is not important. All that matters is the win itself.