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beerlover
11-25-2012, 11:53 AM
First: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State 6'1" 217
Texans like their CB's big & physical so Rhodes sure qualifies. Could also switch over to FS down the road.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/files/2012/01/Xavier-Rhodes-MCT.jpg
Second: D.J. Flucker, RT, Alabama 6'6" 335
Right tackle only prospect, allows Newton to move back into swing role & rotate. Physical run dominante road grader to help solidify right side (careful how you say his name).
Third: Kyle Long, LG, Oregon 6'7" 312
Wade Smith replacement after next season. Son of Howie Long, he plays like his dad with an attitude, high ceiling LG prospect. In short a beast.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/761/295/hi-res-6758170_display_image.jpg?1353296203
Third (comp): Kiko Alonso, ILB/OLB, Oregon 6'3" 242
Going with what I know, Ducks, three down LB who can kick inside or play some OLB. Smart, instinctive, with good range in coverage, blitz & run support. How about some Latino love from Amigo's?
Fourth: Connor Vernon, WR, Duke 6'0" 200
Well rounded, with surprising athletic ability to get open. Also excellent route runner, heady & willing blocker. Think Kevin Walter with speed.
http://cdn.dukechronicle.com/636x393-0-7.641509433962256-BTFyoTrb-fb_vs_memphis.jpg
Fifth: Spencer Ware, RB LSU 5'11" 225
Great size/speed combo to replace Tate (likely to be shopped) maintaining much needed depth behind Foster to keep him healthy.
Fifth (comp): Anthony White, NT, Michigan State 6'2" 330
Later than I would like to address nose, but expect Cody to resign on the cheap & Texans picked up Terrell McClain as well have David Hunter stashed away.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0102/ncf_u_white_gb1_576.jpg
Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5 & 5/8" 260
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.
Sixth (comp): Ryan Allen, Punter, Louisiana Tech 6'2" 215
Donnie Jones has been solid but why not bring a big time leg into camp to compete for job next off season? Allen leads nation in punting average 48.04 per pop.
Seventh: Michael Mauti, ILB/OLB, Penn State 6'2" 240
History of knee injury's hurts his draft stock, however if he can get with a team like Texans with excellent medical & rehab facilities he has a chance on returning & contributing both on special teams & provide depth on defense.
http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/10011507-large.jpg

Corrosion
11-25-2012, 01:06 PM
Much to like here.

infantrycak
11-25-2012, 02:18 PM
Why replace a punter who is having the best season a Texans' punter has ever had? Why not a kicker instead?

How does getting a 1 lb heavier TE address being undersized?

I like the CB and OL picks.

beerlover
11-25-2012, 02:35 PM
Why replace a punter who is having the best season a Texans' punter has ever had? Why not a kicker instead?

How does getting a 1 lb heavier TE address being undersized?

Let competition decide that matter (punter).

Texans placed Bullock on IR, he will return next season to compete vs Graham. All special teams must improve.

Kasa has frame (almost 6'6") to add weight updated weight is actually 260lbs. He would be Texans tallest receiving target, also has basketball background.

Thanks, big guy for input hope that helps answer questions.

beerlover
11-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Much to like here.

Glad you appreciate it. Saw my dos amigo mocks, had to respond with own version, no Texan football today so a little bored.

Specnatz
11-25-2012, 02:54 PM
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Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5" 250
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.


If you are going to draft a TE this late I would rather go with Ben Cotten NE

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1515241

steelbtexan
11-25-2012, 04:50 PM
First: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State 6'1" 217
Texans like their CB's big & physical so Rhodes sure qualifies. Could also switch over to FS down the road.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/files/2012/01/Xavier-Rhodes-MCT.jpg
Second: D.J. Flucker, RT, Alabama 6'6" 335
Right tackle only prospect, allows Newton to move back into swing role & rotate. Physical run dominante road grader to help solidify right side (careful how you say his name).
Third: Kyle Long, LG, Oregon 6'7" 312
Wade Smith replacement after next season. Son of Howie Long, he plays like his dad with an attitude, high ceiling LG prospect. In short a beast.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/761/295/hi-res-6758170_display_image.jpg?1353296203
Third (comp): Kiko Alonso, ILB/OLB, Oregon 6'3" 242
Going with what I know, Ducks, three down LB who can kick inside or play some OLB. Smart, instinctive, with good range in coverage, blitz & run support. How about some Latino love from Amigo's?
Fourth: Connor Vernon, WR, Duke 6'0" 200
Well rounded, with surprising athletic ability to get open. Also excellent route runner, heady & willing blocker. Think Kevin Walter with speed.
http://cdn.dukechronicle.com/636x393-0-7.641509433962256-BTFyoTrb-fb_vs_memphis.jpg
Fifth: Spencer Ware, RB LSU 5'11" 225
Great size/speed combo to replace Tate (likely to be shopped) maintaining much needed depth behind Foster to keep him healthy.
Fifth (comp): Anthony White, NT, Michigan State 6'2" 330
Later than I would like to address nose, but expect Cody to resign on the cheap & Texans picked up Terrell McClain as well have David Hunter stashed away.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0102/ncf_u_white_gb1_576.jpg
Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5 & 5/8" 260
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.
Sixth (comp): Ryan Allen, Punter, Louisiana Tech 6'2" 215
Donnie Jones has been solid but why not bring a big time leg into camp to compete for job next off season? Allen leads nation in punting average 48.04 per pop.
Seventh: Michael Mauti, ILB/OLB, Penn State 6'2" 240
History of knee injury's hurts his draft stock, however if he can get with a team like Texans with excellent medical & rehab facilities he has a chance on returning & contributing both on special teams & provide depth on defense.
http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/10011507-large.jpg

Like all of you picks except give me

Rd.2 Aaron Dobson
Rd.4 Brennan Williams or Brian Winters as a swing OT guy.

steelbtexan
11-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Why replace a punter who is having the best season a Texans' punter has ever had? Why not a kicker instead?

How does getting a 1 lb heavier TE address being undersized?

I like the CB and OL picks.

There's no K worth being drafted next yr. IMHO Even though I'm not a Bullock fan (As a Player) he needs to grab the K spot by the short hairs.

Kasa is a player, love this pick. He's just begining to scratch the surface of his god given ability. In a couple of yrs he will prove to be a steal. It's not about weight, this guy is a tough guy. (Blocker)

rmartin65
11-25-2012, 07:10 PM
I like it!

1) Except for Rhodes. I dont know if Rhodes is a CB or FS in the pros, and I dont know if he will great at either position. He is a little stiff for CB, so I tend to look at him as a FS. Still, I dont hate the position. Its becoming a passing league, need to be able to defend the pass. If you think Rhodes is that guy, then this is a good pick.

2) Big road-grading RT, I like it. As I noted in Dopple's mock, I worry about his mobility. But the fact that you guys both think he has that ability makes me think I may have misjudged the guy.

3) As much as I like going OG, I dont know if Long is the guy. He is a sick athlete who has the length to play OT. Why stick him inside? I think you would be much better served grabbing Long here as a tackle, and using your second or some later other pick to upgrade the interior line.

3) Sign me up. Love this pick, the kid is a baller.

4) I like Vernon, and with AJ going all beast mode on us, I think we can ease up on the search for a number 1. Vernon can be an excellent number 2, so I am 100% liking this pick.

5) I like taking a down-hill RB, but dont know much about Ware. I trust your eval, and suggest a couple other guys who fit the bill here- Burkhead, Stacy, Wood.

5) I like it. Big NT, has underrated agility. Solid pick.

6) Great minds think alike! Kasa would be a great pick.

6) I prefer the Oregon punter, but this is not a bad pick. The Texans have a strong team, so it is more and more unlikely these late picks make the team. Having some competition at P would be good.

7) Nice pick. I hope he can recover from his injury.

Like I said, I would be a fan of this draft. There are some good names and positions here.

beerlover
11-25-2012, 07:58 PM
I like it!

1) Except for Rhodes. I dont know if Rhodes is a CB or FS in the pros, and I dont know if he will great at either position. He is a little stiff for CB, so I tend to look at him as a FS. Still, I dont hate the position. Its becoming a passing league, need to be able to defend the pass. If you think Rhodes is that guy, then this is a good pick.

2) Big road-grading RT, I like it. As I noted in Dopple's mock, I worry about his mobility. But the fact that you guys both think he has that ability makes me think I may have misjudged the guy.

3) As much as I like going OG, I dont know if Long is the guy. He is a sick athlete who has the length to play OT. Why stick him inside? I think you would be much better served grabbing Long here as a tackle, and using your second or some later other pick to upgrade the interior line.

3) Sign me up. Love this pick, the kid is a baller.

4) I like Vernon, and with AJ going all beast mode on us, I think we can ease up on the search for a number 1. Vernon can be an excellent number 2, so I am 100% liking this pick.

5) I like taking a down-hill RB, but dont know much about Ware. I trust your eval, and suggest a couple other guys who fit the bill here- Burkhead, Stacy, Wood.

5) I like it. Big NT, has underrated agility. Solid pick.

6) Great minds think alike! Kasa would be a great pick.

6) I prefer the Oregon punter, but this is not a bad pick. The Texans have a strong team, so it is more and more unlikely these late picks make the team. Having some competition at P would be good.

7) Nice pick. I hope he can recover from his injury.

Like I said, I would be a fan of this draft. There are some good names and positions here.

thanks 65 :)

there is a lot here (based off Doppelbock projections) so I will just expound a little about Long, who I keep moving up my draft board. He is extremely LONG for position (pun intended) however he is very athletic & natural knee bender, the advantage this gives him is leverage in pass pro. Along with Brown Texans can completely shut down stunts & blitzes which is reason why I felt compelled to upgrade RT position with enforcer. Matt Schaub is & will be the Texans QB & he requires extra protection which this will afford him.

Kyle is extremely competitive with some nasty game. Lineage is a plus, as mentioned his father is Howie an all-pro defensive end for the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders and is a member of the NFL Hall of Fame. Brother Chris was selected 2nd overall in the 2008 NFL draft as defensive end for the NFL’s St. Louis Rams. Kyle actually started out playing DE, pressure following brother & father I suppose, but made the switch to OL, kept growing & never looked back. Kyle could even go higher than 3rd when all said & done. He seems natural playing inside because he loves contact, he is that guy who goes out of his way to find a good fight, home in traffic often times playing past the whistle if you know what I mean? Despite how good Wade has been for the Texans he will not play forever, this is the type of player you want to re-tool & keep a good thing going, if a dare say, take it to the next level.

Corrosion
11-25-2012, 08:00 PM
Glad you appreciate it. Saw my dos amigo mocks, had to respond with own version, no Texan football today so a little bored.

I think this is my favorite so far .... Kinda agree with Rmartin about Rhodes but .... I like the position selected. I'd prefer David Amerson or Desmond Trufant .... both are a bit more fluid and have good size.

Dont really see a need for a punter either as Jones is having a really good year. Probably would have gone with another PK just to increase the competition at the position .... especially that late as position players picked there arent likely to stick with a team this talented.

beerlover
11-25-2012, 08:17 PM
I think this is my favorite so far .... Kinda agree with Rmartin about Rhodes but .... I like the position selected. I'd prefer David Amerson or Desmond Trufant .... both are a bit more fluid and have good size.

Dont really see a need for a punter either as Jones is having a really good year. Probably would have gone with another PK just to increase the competition at the position .... especially that late as position players picked there arent likely to stick with a team this talented.

picking 32nd is such a ***** you know :D

So had to do some real soul searching to come up with Rhodes. Secondary along with Wide Receiver are two of the toughest positions to eval not to mention hit on. I've been really impressed with Ball filling in for Joseph, maybe other teams will too & I believe he is on a one year contract? Talk about losing Brice McCain also makes me nervous, a nickle but still affects overall depth of secondary. The reason why Wade put Ball on Calvin Johnson was because he was the closest physical match-up. Alan is 6-2 190. Xavier Rhodes is 6-2 217. He is very athletic, with ball hawking skills, thus presents match-up combos Wade likes to utilize. Not to mention Wade will not have to throw him to the wolves as a rookie, allowing him to blossom like he did with Kareem in second year. Ball is like already 27 & Manning is 30 so which ever direction they choose he will have ample opportunity with value rising for secondary talent this pushed him over the top in my view. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXZQs52yooI

beerlover
11-25-2012, 08:22 PM
If you are going to draft a TE this late I would rather go with Ben Cotten NE

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1515241

If it makes you feel any better I would defiantly consider Tyler Eifert 1st rd. but don't expect him to be there for Texans :pinned:

Corrosion
11-25-2012, 08:42 PM
picking 32nd is such a ***** you know :D

So had to do some real soul searching to come up with Rhodes. Secondary along with Wide Receiver are two of the toughest positions to eval not to mention hit on. I've been really impressed with Ball filling in for Joseph, maybe other teams will too & I believe he is on a one year contract? Talk about losing Brice McCain also makes me nervous, a nickle but still affects overall depth of secondary. The reason why Wade put Ball on Calvin Johnson was because he was the closest physical match-up. Alan is 6-2 190. Xavier Rhodes is 6-2 217. He is very athletic, with ball hawking skills, thus presents match-up combos Wade likes to utilize. Not to mention Wade will not have to throw him to the wolves as a rookie, allowing him to blossom like he did with Kareem in second year. Ball is like already 27 & Manning is 30 so which ever direction they choose he will have ample opportunity with value rising for secondary talent this pushed him over the top in my view.

Amerson is also 6'2" tho a little lighter in the ass at 195ish.

Trufant is 6'0" 190 , probably more of the classic corner than either of the other two.


I want a bigger corner too .... thats why I was looking at those two in particular. I think they are both more fluid athletes too ... Both should be able to match up to the bigger recievers physically.


Yeah picking that deep is a real crapshoot .... hell any of those three could go much higher than this. I'd be Ok with any of the above honesty tho if I had my pick it would be Amerson right now.

McCain's pending FA and Ball's 1 year deal are why I was thinking to take a CB very early , no later than the 2nd .... where you may be able to get one of the above if the draft fell just right.

Ive been really happy with Ball's improvement thruout the season .... He was getting torched in preseason and he held his own defending Megatron , a couple of those throws had to be perfect and also were difficult catches.
He's also been a beast on ST. I'd like to see him stick around next season .... but I have a feeling someone will offer him a bigger payday than the Texans can afford.

Losing both Ball and McCain would be worst case scenario IMO. If I could keep one , it would be Ball believe it or not.

Specnatz
11-25-2012, 08:52 PM
If it makes you feel any better I would defiantly consider Tyler Eifert 1st rd. but don't expect him to be there for Texans :pinned:

Hey I liked the one where you drafted 3 ND guys.

beerlover
11-25-2012, 08:53 PM
Amerson is also 6'2" tho a little lighter in the ass at 195ish.

Trufant is 6'0" 190 , probably more of the classic corner than either of the other two.


I want a bigger corner too .... thats why I was looking at those two in particular. I think they are both more fluid athletes too ... Both should be able to match up to the bigger recievers physically.


Yeah picking that deep is a real crapshoot .... hell any of those three could go much higher than this. I'd be Ok with any of the above honesty tho if I had my pick it would be Amerson right now.

McCain's pending FA and Ball's 1 year deal are why I was thinking to take a CB very early , no later than the 2nd .... where you may be able to get one of the above if the draft fell just right.

Ive been really happy with Ball's improvement thruout the season .... He was getting torched in preseason and he held his own defending Megatron , a couple of those throws had to be perfect and also were difficult catches.
He's also been a beast on ST. I'd like to see him stick around next season .... but I have a feeling someone will offer him a bigger payday than the Texans can afford.

Losing both Ball and McCain would be worst case scenario IMO. If I could keep one , it would be Ball believe it or not.

I hear ya & your right about Amerson but I opted for the more physical of the two in run support because everybody in Wade's defense must tackle with a passion. Looked really hard @ Trufant but in 2nd, one of the bright spots for Huskies plus great pedigree. In the end didn't know if he would be there & too early for first. The big, physical CB worst case, not in the box safety too tempting value with all the smallish CB's waiting in the wings currently on Texan roster, Harris & Carmichael @ 5'10".

Wolf6151
11-25-2012, 09:51 PM
JMO:

1. Rhodes, I like the athleticism Rhodes has but I'm still iffy on him as a CB or future FS in the NFL.
2. Fluker, I think he's more of an OG at the next level due to slow feet.
3. Long, I don't know alot about him but have read some really good things lately and the 3rd is a good place to look for quality OG depth.
3b. Alonso, I've been looking at him as well lately. I like this pick.
4. Vernon, I'm not real familiar with him but I see him as a good possession receiver in the slot and we've already got Martin there.
5. Ware, I haven't looked at RB's, dont' know anything about him.
5b. White, I've been looking at him as well, he's got potential to be depth at NT. I like his size.
6. Allen, I like Sharp better only because he offers K depth as well but I like the position chosen. Jones is decent but we can do better.
7. Mauti, if still available and can stay healthy he's low risk high reward depth in the LB corp..

Insideop
11-25-2012, 11:23 PM
If you are going to draft a TE this late I would rather go with Ben Cotten NE

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1515241

Looking at Cotton's record and awards he seems to fit what the Texans are looking for (smart, leadership, community service, etc...), but with his meager stats (4yrs, 370 total yds), I'm not sure the Texans would draft him. I know the stats may be a false indicator and Nebraska is not exactly known as a big time passing school. Was he mainly a blocking TE? He has good size (6'6" 250 lbs). I guess a lot will depend on Combine/School work out numbers whether he gets drafted or not.

Specnatz
11-26-2012, 12:26 AM
Looking at Cotton's record and awards he seems to fit what the Texans are looking for (smart, leadership, community service, etc...), but with his meager stats (4yrs, 370 total yds), I'm not sure the Texans would draft him. I know the stats may be a false indicator and Nebraska is not exactly known as a big time passing school. Was he mainly a blocking TE? He has good size (6'6" 250 lbs). I guess a lot will depend on Combine/School work out numbers whether he gets drafted or not.

Think along the lines of Dressen, more of a blocker who can catch and develop into a receiving threat. Nebraska does not throw a lot.

Bell, Kenny 12-12 44 789 17.9 8 74 65.8
Enunwa, Quincy 12-12 35 408 11.7 1 35 34.0
Turner, Jamal 12-2 24 332 13.8 2 36 27.7

Top three receivers which would look more like Air force than USC. Martinez makes VY look like Andre Ware.

I just feel having that TE who can be almost like another lineman in our offense would be a key addition.

beerlover
11-26-2012, 07:59 AM
Think along the lines of Dressen, more of a blocker who can catch and develop into a receiving threat. Nebraska does not throw a lot.

Bell, Kenny 12-12 44 789 17.9 8 74 65.8
Enunwa, Quincy 12-12 35 408 11.7 1 35 34.0
Turner, Jamal 12-2 24 332 13.8 2 36 27.7

Top three receivers which would look more like Air force than USC. Martinez makes VY look like Andre Ware.

I just feel having that TE who can be almost like another lineman in our offense would be a key addition.

Texans already have a pair like Cotton on their practice squad in Phillip Supernaw & Logan Brock.

I'm down with the blocking aspect as well. What makes you think Kasa cannot block or play physical role of TE you want? This is Nicks first year even playing TE before that he was a highly recruited DE. He is third on the team in receiving, 391 yards, 15.6 avg per game along with 3 TD's. His projected 40 time should be around 4.75, for reference Rob Gronkowski ran 4.70 @ 6062 264, Jermaine Gresham, 4.72 @ 6052 261 while the freak of all freaks, Jimmy Graham ran 4.55 @ 6063 259lbs. That's pretty elite company. Here is some more background to ponder: http://www.denverpost.com/cu/ci_21649066/nick-kasa-fitting-just-fine-at-tight-end

Specnatz
11-26-2012, 10:24 AM
I have not watched much of Kasa and have watched Cotten, and while he would be slower than that I can only make a judgement on what I know versus what I can read.

beerlover
11-26-2012, 10:54 AM
I have not watched much of Kasa and have watched Cotten, and while he would be slower than that I can only make a judgement on what I know versus what I can read.

I realize that, I find it hard if not impossible to watch everything & Buffalo program is pretty suckie. Here is a clip against WSU, not a whole lot of content so I'll spare you & recap three plays Kasa stands out. First one he sets the edge on the goaline creating gap for the RB to score on another running play he makes the block springing RB Tony Jones 84 yards for score. He also caught a seam route over the top on right hash mark 70 yards for a TD. :specnatz:

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2012, 07:41 AM
I think they fix the front 7 before they touch the secondary . If I was going to be offense oriented I'd take the ND TE 1st along with your 2nd and 3rd picks .

beerlover
11-27-2012, 09:55 AM
I think they fix the front 7 before they touch the secondary . If I was going to be offense oriented I'd take the ND TE 1st along with your 2nd and 3rd picks .

Some people feel Jonathan Joseph is the most important defensive player on Texans because he can take away another teams #1 WR & force QB's to hold the ball longer. They make a good point but I'm with you in the trenches. But in end just find a player who can impact the game, could be DT, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, FS, SS, QB, RB, OT, OG, WR, TE etc. & you could be right. Texans have never drafted a big time safety #1. Maybe it's time? For depth purposes, health reasons, playmaking ability, versatility, salary cap implications whatever this area is & has been a concern to me since Texan beginnings. Rhodes is a big time talent with CB cover skills with a nasty streak. Big corners always go early, for a reason, so we'll see but think he will garner a lot attention @ the combine & his pro-day. Probably making this whole discussion/mock mute.

AngryNateFTW
11-27-2012, 10:48 AM
I believe I said this in a different thread but why do we consistenly mock draft NT's that are over 315?

Until we start bringing guys in that are in that range i'm not going to believe that Wade is going to want one like that for his defense.

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2012, 01:54 PM
Some people feel Jonathan Joseph is the most important defensive player on Texans because he can take away another teams #1 WR & force QB's to hold the ball longer. They make a good point but I'm with you in the trenches. But in end just find a player who can impact the game, could be DT, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, FS, SS, QB, RB, OT, OG, WR, TE etc. & you could be right. Texans have never drafted a big time safety #1. Maybe it's time? For depth purposes, health reasons, playmaking ability, versatility, salary cap implications whatever this area is & has been a concern to me since Texan beginnings. Rhodes is a big time talent with CB cover skills with a nasty streak. Big corners always go early, for a reason, so we'll see but think he will garner a lot attention @ the combine & his pro-day. Probably making this whole discussion/mock mute.

I think you have the real deal in JJ Watt and he has to be accounted for . If he's the guy that teams are trying to stop then the other guys aren't winning their 1 v 1 battles .

Next year Quinn , Barwin , and Cody are FAs on defense ? You may have to cut two loose .

rmartin65
11-27-2012, 05:34 PM
I believe I said this in a different thread but why do we consistenly mock draft NT's that are over 315?

Until we start bringing guys in that are in that range i'm not going to believe that Wade is going to want one like that for his defense.

This myth has been largely debunked on these boards. While some still believe this to be true, just a quick review of his last 4 NTs show 2 big guys, and 2 smaller guys. He works with what he has, with who has the most talent.

Corrosion
11-27-2012, 09:43 PM
This myth has been largely debunked on these boards. While some still believe this to be true, just a quick review of his last 4 NTs show 2 big guys, and 2 smaller guys. He works with what he has, with who has the most talent.

Only a few of us pay attention to facts .... the rest listen to the garbage spewed on 610 - 790 - 1560 , ESPN or in the Crapical and form opinions based off of someone elses opinion .... no matter how wrong that opinion might be.

Talking heads > Facts. :slapfight:

beerlover
11-28-2012, 09:01 AM
Current Texan nose tackles have all added weight since drafted & plugged into Wade Phillips 3-4. Cody came out of USC, 2005, only 293 lbs now has beefed up to 307. Mitchell was drafted by Texans (pre-Wade) 2010 weighed 296, now is 307 as well. Crick has also seen reps recently, due to injury's & he is only 279 but has added 7 lbs around 287. So even for smallish nose tackles they would like them over 300 lbs close to 310 if they can maintain quickness.

Despite this trend, it is not far fetched & probably fair to say Wade is on the lookout to strengthen this interior position with a bigger body that is athletic, tough, explosive/leverage, ability to hold the point & push the pocket. As noted in UNO Amigo mock I gave a brief description of current status of position. Texans have two hurt (Cody/Hunter) three young/learning (Mitchell/Crick/McClain) who are all around the same size weight ratios. The draft board will weight this position accordingly given due process so going into draft late April they will all be rated who, when & where they would select them.

The key, to me is Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme doesn't have a universal design. Instead of being rooted in "this is the way we do things" he adjusts to talent on hand, exhibiting strengths, in this discussion more quickness than size, but does not preclude a run-plugging monster who could sustain double teams & walk them back to the QB. The rapid turnaround & success he has had here is due to philosophy of adjusting to players on hand, but I believe the longer he is here opportunity via draft will happen so he will have chance to wrap-up defense with an elite prospect to play nose. Other than Nix III its real hard for me to mock another player high this draft once again.

Mid round prospect Anthony White, Michigan State is a solid 330. Strong more than explosive, good hand & foot work to fight/shed blocks. Clean off field, Durable on able to maintains gap control/assignments making him a solid run defender. Battle tested in Big 10 conference which based off last years draft Texans scout (5 picks, Mercilus, Posey, Martin, Crick & Mondek). Really like his consistency week after week despite little help Senior season. He was more disruptive when Jerel Worthy (drafted 2nd rd. 2012) was teammate, so he has flown under the radar, IMO.

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121025&Category=SPORTS07&ArtNo=310250216&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Spartans-Anthony-Rashad-White-gearing-up-Wisconsin-s-rushing-attack

Doppelganger
11-28-2012, 09:45 AM
First: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State 6'1" 217
Texans like their CB's big & physical so Rhodes sure qualifies. Could also switch over to FS down the road.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/files/2012/01/Xavier-Rhodes-MCT.jpg
Second: D.J. Flucker, RT, Alabama 6'6" 335
Right tackle only prospect, allows Newton to move back into swing role & rotate. Physical run dominante road grader to help solidify right side (careful how you say his name).
Third: Kyle Long, LG, Oregon 6'7" 312
Wade Smith replacement after next season. Son of Howie Long, he plays like his dad with an attitude, high ceiling LG prospect. In short a beast.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/761/295/hi-res-6758170_display_image.jpg?1353296203
Third (comp): Kiko Alonso, ILB/OLB, Oregon 6'3" 242
Going with what I know, Ducks, three down LB who can kick inside or play some OLB. Smart, instinctive, with good range in coverage, blitz & run support. How about some Latino love from Amigo's?
Fourth: Connor Vernon, WR, Duke 6'0" 200
Well rounded, with surprising athletic ability to get open. Also excellent route runner, heady & willing blocker. Think Kevin Walter with speed.
http://cdn.dukechronicle.com/636x393-0-7.641509433962256-BTFyoTrb-fb_vs_memphis.jpg
Fifth: Spencer Ware, RB LSU 5'11" 225
Great size/speed combo to replace Tate (likely to be shopped) maintaining much needed depth behind Foster to keep him healthy.
Fifth (comp): Anthony White, NT, Michigan State 6'2" 330
Later than I would like to address nose, but expect Cody to resign on the cheap & Texans picked up Terrell McClain as well have David Hunter stashed away.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0102/ncf_u_white_gb1_576.jpg
Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5 & 5/8" 260
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.
Sixth (comp): Ryan Allen, Punter, Louisiana Tech 6'2" 215
Donnie Jones has been solid but why not bring a big time leg into camp to compete for job next off season? Allen leads nation in punting average 48.04 per pop.
Seventh: Michael Mauti, ILB/OLB, Penn State 6'2" 240
History of knee injury's hurts his draft stock, however if he can get with a team like Texans with excellent medical & rehab facilities he has a chance on returning & contributing both on special teams & provide depth on defense.
http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/10011507-large.jpg

There is a lot of good stuff here. COmments are nit picking.

1. CB is an interesitng choice in the first. Assuming Joseph stays and Kareem has really picked up his play this year. Are you transitioning him into a slot corner role currently occupied by McCain? Harris and Carmichael are still on the team. Have you given up on them? Are you already thinking about converting to safety?

2. My guy Fluker. LOVE it.

3. Interesting choice going back to the OL. Just drafted Brandon Brooks in third last year. Would taking Kyle suggest team is giving up on Brooks?

3. I like Alonso, but I don't see him as a 3-4 OLB. I see him as a MLB. He is smart enough to call the plays/audibles and could work very well with Cush.

4. Honestly don't know much about him. Will defer to you while i research him.

5. I like the idea of adding a RB. Fresh, healthy, backs are needed for this system. Drafting a RB in the fifth is a great idea. Furthermore, Ware is a great option for the system. A little on the shorter side with size and speed. Can take a 4 yard gain and make it a 20 yarder. Excellent selection!

5. Not sure about White. Yes he is a bigger NT(330) but from what I have seen he is not exactly a penetrator or gap shooter. He seems to be more of a guy who plays the run and tries to take on defenders. He is a good player, but I am not sure if this is the guy Wade would want in this system.

6. TE: check. From Colorado:Check. If he was from CSU, you could pencil him in as a near lock Kubipick! All joking aside he is a good TE with blocking ability and pass catching skills. Not the fastest, but they could work with that.

6. Another kicker. I have Sharp, you have Allen. Allen is a great choice as he actually won the Ray Guy award last year and beat out big leg Jags punter Bryan Anger. ANger went in the 3rd. If Allen wins the Ray Guy award again, would he last this late?

7. Same mindset between us. Both of us have a really good player falling all the way out due to injury. I would have 0 problems with this pick. I would even consider giving him the whole 2013 season to rehab on IR and let him come back fully healed and ready to play in 2014.

beerlover
11-28-2012, 12:46 PM
1. CB is an interesitng choice in the first. Assuming Joseph stays and Kareem has really picked up his play this year. Are you transitioning him into a slot corner role currently occupied by McCain? Harris and Carmichael are still on the team. Have you given up on them? Are you already thinking about converting to safety?

talk about a lot here.....
Quoting Rick Smith, "you can never have too many good CB's" that said answers firs question. Rhodes is a big boundary corner who would not have to start immediately (bonus) so he can make a smooth transition into the NFL & Wade Phillips//Vance Joseph system. When JJ aggravates his hamstring or whatever injury occurs to Texan starting duo in comes Xavier, if he earns his chance to start. This will allow Texans to focus resources on another position to retain possible free agents besides CB most notably Brice McCain. I expect Brandon Harris to take over nickle if this happens. Ball is also a free agent. By making one pick early on a top CB prospect Texans can set secondary for years to come.

2. My guy Fluker. LOVE it.
You forced me to pay more attention to his play & think your right about him holding down RT spot. This frees up Newton to move back to swing tackle & probable rotation to save players legs plus more quality depth @ tackle position. Butler is most likely gone.

3. Interesting choice going back to the OL. Just drafted Brandon Brooks in third last year. Would taking Kyle suggest team is giving up on Brooks?
Long can become a premier LG. Has nothing to do with Brooks who is a RG prospect. Someday when Myers moves on you could see a Texan OL of Brown/Long/Jones/Brooks/Flucker. With best swing tackle in NFL Newton.

3. I like Alonso, but I don't see him as a 3-4 OLB. I see him as a MLB. He is smart enough to call the plays/audibles and could work very well with Cush.
Not going to argue with this at all, which is why I say he is a special LB prospect because he is a 3 down LB. Plus in coverage, run support & pass rush.

4. Honestly don't know much about him. Will defer to you while i research him.
Had to spend some time scouting him, don't follow Duke football. What I found was surprising athletic ability, speed, cutting/route running & yards after the catch. He has better hands than Martin, fundamentally sound & just makes play after play more like Ryan Broyles last year for Oklahoma. Not ever going to be confused as a #1 WR prospect but certainly in mix for a #2 or #3 spot let competition deceide.

5. I like the idea of adding a RB. Fresh, healthy, backs are needed for this system. Drafting a RB in the fifth is a great idea. Furthermore, Ware is a great option for the system. A little on the shorter side with size and speed. Can take a 4 yard gain and make it a 20 yarder. Excellent selection!
You pretty much nailed it, this is they type of downhill runner in Texans ZBS that could really thrive & hopefully keep healthy because Foster needs less reps to stay fresh & healthy himself.

5. Not sure about White. Yes he is a bigger NT(330) but from what I have seen he is not exactly a penetrator or gap shooter. He seems to be more of a guy who plays the run and tries to take on defenders. He is a good player, but I am not sure if this is the guy Wade would want in this system.
You read my write-up? Not a penetrating nose but can in this system with better players around him & does have the motor which should keep the rotation fresher late in games.

6. TE: check. From Colorado:Check. If he was from CSU, you could pencil him in as a near lock Kubipick! All joking aside he is a good TE with blocking ability and pass catching skills. Not the fastest, but they could work with that.
No worries, every year I project a TE only to come up empty so have little to no expectations Texans will draft him. Except if they did, he is big enough to help more in blocking schemes & work into some pass catching reps but primarily a blocker with upside to develop within salary cap limitations better than they presently have on practice squad.

6. Another kicker. I have Sharp, you have Allen. Allen is a great choice as he actually won the Ray Guy award last year and beat out big leg Jags punter Bryan Anger. ANger went in the 3rd. If Allen wins the Ray Guy award again, would he last this late?
Special teams will be addressed in back to back drafts. First a kicker, Bullock now a kicker Allen or Sharp doesn't matter to me just long as they do it. I'm skeptical given Kubiak's loyalty towards a trusted coach & friend that he would fire Joe without giving him every chance & opportunity imaginable.


7. Same mindset between us. Both of us have a really good player falling all the way out due to injury. I would have 0 problems with this pick. I would even consider giving him the whole 2013 season to rehab on IR and let him come back fully healed and ready to play in 2014.

I orginally was looking @ Mauti in 3rd rd. for Texans. Still like Texans addressing ILB in 3rd (Kiko Alonzo) also like Stanford ILB Shayne Skov. If healthy Mauti is in discussion with all three, but with latest injury it really hurts him in next years draft. I also agree with you if drafted to give him essentially they year off to rehab, heck they did it with Sharpton. In the end the Texans would be loaded at a position right now they are thin. Low risk high reward pick.

Thanks so much for your exceptional feedback, time & input :handshake:

beerlover
11-30-2012, 01:13 AM
Spencer Ware, RB LSU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77UHYQZZy_8

Ware is a Junior w/character question marks (suspended in 2011 along with Honey badger & called out by Athletic Department for laziness along with Sam Montgomery). Not Texan Worthy? Maybe but does beg the question if he comes out (suspect he will) how hard do you ding him, fall or take him off draft board all together? His athletic & Football skill would suggest a 3rd rd. grade so projecting him two rounds lower, #160th overall to Texans. When doing background check the pattern was always involved with other teammates, suggesting he is a product of his environment. Young & pliable, in Texan clubhouse he will assume the mantra, improve his work ethic & earn his reps. He doesn't seem like a bad kid to me at all, just very passionate & needing more positive role model. Arian Foster could be his mentor, then tweets like this Spencer Ware ‏@spenceware11
Adversity causes some people to break and others to break records

Rey
11-30-2012, 09:59 AM
First: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State 6'1" 217
Texans like their CB's big & physical so Rhodes sure qualifies. Could also switch over to FS down the road.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/files/2012/01/Xavier-Rhodes-MCT.jpg
Second: D.J. Flucker, RT, Alabama 6'6" 335
Right tackle only prospect, allows Newton to move back into swing role & rotate. Physical run dominante road grader to help solidify right side (careful how you say his name).
Third: Kyle Long, LG, Oregon 6'7" 312
Wade Smith replacement after next season. Son of Howie Long, he plays like his dad with an attitude, high ceiling LG prospect. In short a beast.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/761/295/hi-res-6758170_display_image.jpg?1353296203
Third (comp): Kiko Alonso, ILB/OLB, Oregon 6'3" 242
Going with what I know, Ducks, three down LB who can kick inside or play some OLB. Smart, instinctive, with good range in coverage, blitz & run support. How about some Latino love from Amigo's?
Fourth: Connor Vernon, WR, Duke 6'0" 200
Well rounded, with surprising athletic ability to get open. Also excellent route runner, heady & willing blocker. Think Kevin Walter with speed.
http://cdn.dukechronicle.com/636x393-0-7.641509433962256-BTFyoTrb-fb_vs_memphis.jpg
Fifth: Spencer Ware, RB LSU 5'11" 225
Great size/speed combo to replace Tate (likely to be shopped) maintaining much needed depth behind Foster to keep him healthy.
Fifth (comp): Anthony White, NT, Michigan State 6'2" 330
Later than I would like to address nose, but expect Cody to resign on the cheap & Texans picked up Terrell McClain as well have David Hunter stashed away.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0102/ncf_u_white_gb1_576.jpg
Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5 & 5/8" 260
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.
Sixth (comp): Ryan Allen, Punter, Louisiana Tech 6'2" 215
Donnie Jones has been solid but why not bring a big time leg into camp to compete for job next off season? Allen leads nation in punting average 48.04 per pop.
Seventh: Michael Mauti, ILB/OLB, Penn State 6'2" 240
History of knee injury's hurts his draft stock, however if he can get with a team like Texans with excellent medical & rehab facilities he has a chance on returning & contributing both on special teams & provide depth on defense.
http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/10011507-large.jpg

Alright...

I like Rhodes and I think I mocked him to us in the first in those way too early mocks we did...

I need to watch more of him though as I want to see if he has the skill set to play in the slot. Because if we take him and he can't then JJo or Kareem may bump inside, and I don't know if that's best.

Fluker is a big boy. I need to see how he moves...

Depending on how Newton finishes out the year this may or may not be a dire need.

I can see a guard being taken there and caldwell being let go. Kind of big for a guard...Tall I mean...But if he plays low it doesn't matter.

Don't know much about the ILB but it's a need...

WR...OK...I'm fine with that...Does he have any shot at making the roster though...don't know much about that player...what is he good at?

I didn't like the Spencer Ware pick when I first looked at it and even started explaining why...but as I was typing I realized that he could be a perfect addition to the team...Not flashy, but solid. Tough runner. Could play special teams and just be a solid guy if needed.

I think Grimes is a better player than he is, but if Tate or Forsett aren't here next year Ware could be a good back up or third RB for us.

Again...don't know much about the player, but NT is a need...Need to see some clips of him.

Same thing for the TE.

Mauti is another guy I mocked for us in those way too early mocks...I like him a lot.

beerlover
12-02-2012, 05:09 PM
Alright...

I like Rhodes and I think I mocked him to us in the first in those way too early mocks we did...

I need to watch more of him though as I want to see if he has the skill set to play in the slot. Because if we take him and he can't then JJo or Kareem may bump inside, and I don't know if that's best.

Fluker is a big boy. I need to see how he moves...

Depending on how Newton finishes out the year this may or may not be a dire need.

I can see a guard being taken there and caldwell being let go. Kind of big for a guard...Tall I mean...But if he plays low it doesn't matter.

Don't know much about the ILB but it's a need...

WR...OK...I'm fine with that...Does he have any shot at making the roster though...don't know much about that player...what is he good at?

I didn't like the Spencer Ware pick when I first looked at it and even started explaining why...but as I was typing I realized that he could be a perfect addition to the team...Not flashy, but solid. Tough runner. Could play special teams and just be a solid guy if needed.

I think Grimes is a better player than he is, but if Tate or Forsett aren't here next year Ware could be a good back up or third RB for us.

Again...don't know much about the player, but NT is a need...Need to see some clips of him.

Same thing for the TE.

Mauti is another guy I mocked for us in those way too early mocks...I like him a lot.

Texans must address CB early it can/will be argued but think it's certainly one of this off seasons biggest holes to be filled. Rhodes is a high ceiling player, the type you like, saw him targeted only 4 maybe 5 times last night against Georgia Tech (added another pick) so teams throw opposite direction most often. He has plus size for position, often daring QB to throw his direction which causes him to lose initial contact, a habit easily corrected by a secondary coach like Joseph. He has only played position a couple years converting from WR but unlike most DB's he has excellent hands & ball skills.

Second dire position in need of talent infusion is the OL. Think I'm right on the mark here as well. Drafting two high picks early with starting potential, in OT Flucker 2nd(who plays with passion & motor despite immense size) & OG Long in 3rd would both be on a fast tract to take over starting roles, depth is alarmingly thin.

The LB's stepped up today big time. Not sure this is as big of need as last couple games I watched but Alonzo & Mauti would be excellent additions. Lestar Jean TD was sweet & Walter made outstanding catch of his own yet something is missing here. Need more production @ WR from somebody other than Andre & Vernon Connor could diffidently fill that void.

I would probably flip the nose tackle position with RB pick 5th/6th. I've maintained Forsett is a fine back-up & maybe Texans do to so he can settle down & call Houston home. Nice to see Tate back on the field as well, looking strong & fresh from his month off.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

steelbtexan
12-02-2012, 07:57 PM
1. Rhodes really like the player, Ansah would be my 1st choice, neither will probably be there at 32.
2. Fluker is a good pick, but there's a major need at WR and one of Patterson/Dobson/Williams will probably be there and a better Value. IMHO
3. Long, great pick and if I had to trade Tate and a 3rd to move up to get him I would. Rare athletic ability for a man his size. Probably could play RT.
3. Alonso, playmaker, he can play any of the LB spots and provides much better depth. Great pick, not sure if he's a BoB kinda guy though.
4. Vernon, know nothing about him, this is where I would try to add depth at CB/RB. There should be a good one available.
5. Ware, like this pick, Latavius Murray, Zac Stacy and Ciere Wood should be candidates as well.
5. White, have seen a little bit of him, looks like a good pick to me.
6. Kasa, he's a guy that blocks with a defensive attitude. I would take him in the 5th. This guy has unlimited potential. Did you get a chance to check out Will Pericak when you were checking out Kasa? Pericak looks like he could be a late rd steal too.
6. Allen, I like the job Jones is doing, Cant see the Texans spending draft pick on a P/K with Bullock on the IR.
7. Mauti, Great pick, I would probably take him in the 6th even if he had to sit out a yr. This guy is a true leader and a lesser version of Sean Lee.

I would be very happy if your mock was the Texans draft. You addressed OL depth in a big way as well as LB. Your late rd guys are high upside guys. All of the needs are met in your mock. Do you get the feeling that the Texans may be using the 3rd/5th and 6th rd picks to move up? There aren't going to be that many roster spots available.

beerlover
12-02-2012, 10:52 PM
1. Rhodes really like the player, Ansah would be my 1st choice, neither will probably be there at 32.
2. Fluker is a good pick, but there's a major need at WR and one of Patterson/Dobson/Williams will probably be there and a better Value. IMHO
3. Long, great pick and if I had to trade Tate and a 3rd to move up to get him I would. Rare athletic ability for a man his size. Probably could play RT.
3. Alonso, playmaker, he can play any of the LB spots and provides much better depth. Great pick, not sure if he's a BoB kinda guy though.
4. Vernon, know nothing about him, this is where I would try to add depth at CB/RB. There should be a good one available.
5. Ware, like this pick, Latavius Murray, Zac Stacy and Ciere Wood should be candidates as well.
5. White, have seen a little bit of him, looks like a good pick to me.
6. Kasa, he's a guy that blocks with a defensive attitude. I would take him in the 5th. This guy has unlimited potential. Did you get a chance to check out Will Pericak when you were checking out Kasa? Pericak looks like he could be a late rd steal too.
6. Allen, I like the job Jones is doing, Cant see the Texans spending draft pick on a P/K with Bullock on the IR.
7. Mauti, Great pick, I would probably take him in the 6th even if he had to sit out a yr. This guy is a true leader and a lesser version of Sean Lee.

I would be very happy if your mock was the Texans draft. You addressed OL depth in a big way as well as LB. Your late rd guys are high upside guys. All of the needs are met in your mock. Do you get the feeling that the Texans may be using the 3rd/5th and 6th rd picks to move up? There aren't going to be that many roster spots available.

Thanks SB

65 preaches keeping it simple, clean & not incorporating trades into mock drafts & while I agree with this it's hard not to imagine Texan GM Rick Smith not manipulating draft selection order to maximize more immediate payback, cherry picking latest crop of newbies. Supplemental picks cannot be traded but that doesn't apply to Texan original picks. Rick will keep all his options open, just in case a player higher rated falls in range to move up. Long winded response to your question is yes.

Overall I think we all should be proud of how well this team has come together & exceeded expectations, including both kickers. Something is going on here because both leg strength has increased noticeably. Shane Graham hit the crossbar on a kick-off today unless I'm mistaken & Jones was exceptional pinning ball inside 10 & averaging 48.89 yards (he must be following this thread). All good things for Texans. :)

Doppelganger
12-03-2012, 04:33 PM
Thanks SB

65 preaches keeping it simple, clean & not incorporating trades into mock drafts & while I agree with this it's hard not to imagine Texan GM Rick Smith not manipulating draft selection order to maximize more immediate payback, cherry picking latest crop of newbies. Supplemental picks cannot be traded but that doesn't apply to Texan original picks. Rick will keep all his options open, just in case a player higher rated falls in range to move up. Long winded response to your question is yes.

Overall I think we all should be proud of how well this team has come together & exceeded expectations, including both kickers. Something is going on here because both leg strength has increased noticeably. Shane Graham hit the crossbar on a kick-off today unless I'm mistaken & Jones was exceptional pinning ball inside 10 & averaging 48.89 yards (he must be following this thread). All good things for Texans. :)

Rather than move up, I would rather the Texans move out. Rather than moving up, trade picks this year for a round earlier next year. For example, trade their own 3rd rounder this year, for a 2nd next year or trade a 5th this year for a 4th next year. Be like the Pats and acquire high level picks. Then when you need to make moves/a player too good to pass up is there grab him.

beerlover
12-03-2012, 04:48 PM
Rather than move up, I would rather the Texans move out. Rather than moving up, trade picks this year for a round earlier next year. For example, trade their own 3rd rounder this year, for a 2nd next year or trade a 5th this year for a 4th next year. Be like the Pats and acquire high level picks. Then when you need to make moves/a player too good to pass up is there grab him.

Hey, that would work too. Either way it's a win win for Texans just that I would like to stay on top after taking so long to get the top if one or two players seal the deal then why not? Patriots made majority of Super Bowls early on in their cycle. Don't have the year in front of me last year they won Super Bowl but think it's been a few years? In the meantime strategy of trading back for more picks hasn't really paid off for them. Except maybe for last draft when they cashed in their chips & actually used them to improve defense.

badboy
12-03-2012, 04:54 PM
Rather than move up, I would rather the Texans move out. Rather than moving up, trade picks this year for a round earlier next year. For example, trade their own 3rd rounder this year, for a 2nd next year or trade a 5th this year for a 4th next year. Be like the Pats and acquire high level picks. Then when you need to make moves/a player too good to pass up is there grab him.I vote no to trading for '14 draft. We have an opportunity now to strengthen areas of weakness with good candidates. In '14 with good draft now, we should be able to go BPA most rounds.

Corrosion
12-03-2012, 05:37 PM
I vote no to trading for '14 draft. We have an opportunity now to strengthen areas of weakness with good candidates. In '14 with good draft now, we should be able to go BPA most rounds.

Honestly I dont think they have the luxury of trading out in favor of a 14 pick with all the guy's that will be FA's this offseason .... they are going to have to fill some significant holes.

beerlover
12-04-2012, 11:07 AM
I think this is my favorite so far .... Kinda agree with Rmartin about Rhodes but .... I like the position selected. I'd prefer David Amerson or Desmond Trufant .... both are a bit more fluid and have good size.

Dont really see a need for a punter either as Jones is having a really good year. Probably would have gone with another PK just to increase the competition at the position .... especially that late as position players picked there arent likely to stick with a team this talented.

It is being reported that North Carolina State junior cornerback David Amerson is making the jump to the NFL a year early, according to a report (school will not confirm report). I would have not problem going with Amerson either. He is skinny as a rail 6-3 195 but great playmaking skilled player with tons of upside, just the kind of pick making Texans even tougher in the future & give them leverage in contract negotiations with possible free agents. Rhodes is a little too good to last until almost the 2nd rd. so accept your suggestion as a really good one :handshake:

Corrosion
12-04-2012, 03:53 PM
It is being reported that North Carolina State junior cornerback David Amerson is making the jump to the NFL a year early, according to a report (school will not confirm report). I would have not problem going with Amerson either. He is skinny as a rail 6-3 195 but great playmaking skilled player with tons of upside, just the kind of pick making Texans even tougher in the future & give them leverage in contract negotiations with possible free agents. Rhodes is a little too good to last until almost the 2nd rd. so accept your suggestion as a really good one :handshake:

:corrosion:


I plan on doing a comprehensive mock here in the next week or so .... first one since 2004 (damn?). I use to do them regularly .... time has been an issue as it takes a lot of research to do a really good mock. Im sure you know that .... but some others might not appreciate all the effort you three put in those mocks.

Im waiting on Dutch to put together a list of Texans who will be FA's along with some salary information .... We're going to lose some quality players and having that list along with salary info and a projected cap number will go a long way twards getting it right.


My #1 is likely Amerson and looking at RT , ILB , WR and NT in the second and having a real hard time with the decision.

rmartin65
12-04-2012, 04:19 PM
:corrosion:


I plan on doing a comprehensive mock here in the next week or so .... first one since 2004 (damn?). I use to do them regularly .... time has been an issue as it takes a lot of research to do a really good mock. Im sure you know that .... but some others might not appreciate all the effort you three put in those mocks.

Im waiting on Dutch to put together a list of Texans who will be FA's along with some salary information .... We're going to lose some quality players and having that list along with salary info and a projected cap number will go a long way twards getting it right.


My #1 is likely Amerson and looking at RT , ILB , WR and NT in the second and having a real hard time with the decision.

I am excited to see it. Please do post it as soon as it is finished.

Amerson is interesting. Definitely looked better last year than this year, and had that disastrous game against Tenn. That said, 6'3" CBs dont exactly grow on trees. He does not have elite speed, but in the right system with proper technique, you dont need 4.4 speed. The interesting combine drill for him is going to be the 3 cone. I want to see if he has NFL CB caliber agility, or if he will end up a FS.

Trufant from Washington might be worth a look in the first as well. I have him pegged as a riser.

Honoring Earl 34
12-04-2012, 04:27 PM
:corrosion:


I plan on doing a comprehensive mock here in the next week or so .... first one since 2004 (damn?). I use to do them regularly .... time has been an issue as it takes a lot of research to do a really good mock. Im sure you know that .... but some others might not appreciate all the effort you three put in those mocks.

Im waiting on Dutch to put together a list of Texans who will be FA's along with some salary information .... We're going to lose some quality players and having that list along with salary info and a projected cap number will go a long way twards getting it right.


My #1 is likely Amerson and looking at RT , ILB , WR and NT in the second and having a real hard time with the decision.

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Corrosion
12-04-2012, 05:01 PM
I

Trufant from Washington might be worth a look in the first as well. I have him pegged as a riser.

I think this is my favorite so far .... Kinda agree with Rmartin about Rhodes but .... I like the position selected. I'd prefer David Amerson or Desmond Trufant .... both are a bit more fluid and have good size.


Im pretty high on Trufant too .... that post is from earlier in this thread.


Yeah , I'll post it as soon as I can get it finished ....

Kinda wondering if Kyle Long will fall to the end of the third and if he'd be a reach at the end of the second ... I dont want to put in any trades but wouldnt be against moving up from that late third rounder to the middle / early part of the round to grab him. Ive fallen off the Flucker bandwagon ... so Long would likely be my top target at the position.

badboy
12-04-2012, 05:33 PM
It is being reported that North Carolina State junior cornerback David Amerson is making the jump to the NFL a year early, according to a report (school will not confirm report). I would have not problem going with Amerson either. He is skinny as a rail 6-3 195 but great playmaking skilled player with tons of upside, just the kind of pick making Texans even tougher in the future & give them leverage in contract negotiations with possible free agents. Rhodes is a little too good to last until almost the 2nd rd. so accept your suggestion as a really good one :handshake:Dec 3rd he tweeted he has not made up his mind but I expect him to enter draft. He has had some questionable plays this season and scouts supposedly not sure of his decision making process. He did not make the jump in this season as expected. Has skills of man but mostly played zone or "off". He is very aggressive and looks bad going for INT rather than the WR sometimes. I like him a lot & a good coach could make him into a probowler.

Amerson (6-3, 194, 4.45 40-yard dash) has everything teams want in a cornerback for today’s NFL. He possesses a rare combination of great height, tremendous all-around athleticism and excellent natural ball skills. He has the strength to slow the release of receivers and the hips to turn and run with them without losing a step. Amerson has the speed to stay with receivers on deep routes, which is something few tall corners can do. In zone alignments, he reads the quarterback well. He can plant, drive and close quickly on passes and is consistently able to break up or intercept passes. Projection: First-round pick

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-08-25/nfl-draft-2013-nc-states-amerson-mississippi-states-banks-have-height-skills-

badboy
12-04-2012, 05:52 PM
:corrosion:


I plan on doing a comprehensive mock here in the next week or so .... first one since 2004 (damn?). I use to do them regularly .... time has been an issue as it takes a lot of research to do a really good mock. Im sure you know that .... but some others might not appreciate all the effort you three put in those mocks.

Im waiting on Dutch to put together a list of Texans who will be FA's along with some salary information .... We're going to lose some quality players and having that list along with salary info and a projected cap number will go a long way twards getting it right.


My #1 is likely Amerson and looking at RT , ILB , WR and NT in the second and having a real hard time with the decision.

Hope to see your mock soon. 3Amigos love to get info and opinions from all. I am hopeful that the new CBA will slow the bleed from FA. Certain positions will still attract $ like Barwin should get huge offer regardless how he does remainder of season and why I am glad Smith worked deals with Schaub, Foster and Duane. Those were gigantic, positive deals. I think we are in unique position (thank you Chris Olsen) this offseason with our free agents having decent guys behind them. Another excellent draft can set us up for years. I want a nose desperately but if we get Amerson, Banks or Rhodes I'd be ecstatic. I have mocked Xavier Rhodes for two years but was constantly told he had to move to FS. Unfortunately, he and Banks are gone by our pick on my board.

rmartin65
12-04-2012, 06:08 PM
Im pretty high on Trufant too .... that post is from earlier in this thread.


Yeah , I'll post it as soon as I can get it finished ....

Kinda wondering if Kyle Long will fall to the end of the third and if he'd be a reach at the end of the second ... I dont want to put in any trades but wouldnt be against moving up from that late third rounder to the middle / early part of the round to grab him. Ive fallen off the Flucker bandwagon ... so Long would likely be my top target at the position.

Well, BL has Long in the 3rd. I would agree with him, and not say that it is outside the realm of possibility.

Corrosion
12-04-2012, 06:15 PM
Well, BL has Long in the 3rd. I would agree with him, and not say that it is outside the realm of possibility.

Ive seen Long mocked as high as the middle of the second round .... to be honest , I think he may go even higher than that .... as high as late first (25ish or later), especially if he has a really good combine.

rmartin65
12-04-2012, 06:19 PM
Ive seen Long mocked as high as the middle of the second round .... to be honest , I think he may go even higher than that .... as high as late first (25ish or later), especially if he has a really good combine.

He's a great athlete, but not as finished a product as some of the other OT prospects. I thinking mocking him anywhere mid 2nd to late 3rd is fair, considering where we are in the scouting process.

beerlover
12-04-2012, 06:29 PM
Also like Jordan Poyer, Oregon State, but mid-second.

Banks
Rhodes
Amerson
Trufant
Poyer

Fairly tight value late first to mid second. After which there is a big drop off. Kind of similar to when Texans traded up to grab Miami CB Harris who will start in his first game against Tom Brady's New England Patriots. So you really can't scrimp on CB's or ever have enough of them.

Corrosion
12-04-2012, 06:31 PM
He's a great athlete, but not as finished a product as some of the other OT prospects. I thinking mocking him anywhere mid 2nd to late 3rd is fair, considering where we are in the scouting process.

I would agree with that .... for the time being. Really have to see the bowl game , Sr bowl & combine to get a real solid read on many of these prospects.

Watching Fluker against Georgia ... he really dropped for me. Maybe Im being overly critical .... maybe it was just a bad day.

rmartin65
12-04-2012, 07:33 PM
Also like Jordan Poyer, Oregon State, but mid-second.

Banks
Rhodes
Amerson
Trufant
Poyer

Fairly tight value late first to mid second. After which there is a big drop off. Kind of similar to when Texans traded up to grab Miami CB Harris who will start in his first game against Tom Brady's New England Patriots. So you really can't scrimp on CB's or ever have enough of them.

While we may disagree on the actual ranking, I agree on the premise- there are some good CBSs going early this year. We should have the opportunity to grab one.

I would agree with that .... for the time being. Really have to see the bowl game , Sr bowl & combine to get a real solid read on many of these prospects.

Watching Fluker against Georgia ... he really dropped for me. Maybe Im being overly critical .... maybe it was just a bad day.

No, I agree with you on Fluker. I dont think he is a bad player, but he is just not a fit for our scheme.

beerlover
12-05-2012, 02:07 AM
While we may disagree on the actual ranking, I agree on the premise- there are some good CBSs going early this year. We should have the opportunity to grab one.

I did not include Dee Milliner, Alabama because he should be long gone by time Texans select (doubt Banks will be available either) of course figured same thing about Mercilus. Also flip flopped Poyer with Trufant. Otherwise don't feel order is that egregious pretty much in line with Rob Rang who runs Draftscout.com

*Dee Milliner CB 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 198 1
Johnthan Banks CB 2 Mississippi State Sr 6-1 185 1
*Xavier Rhodes CB 3 Florida State rJr 6-1 217 1-2
*David Amerson CB 4 North Carolina State Jr 6-2 194 1-2
Jordan Poyer CB 5 Oregon State Sr 5-11 190 2
Desmond Trufant CB 6 Washington Sr 6-0 186 2[/QUOTE]

Rhodes does look a natural FS so there could be bonus versatility there & reason why I rated him higher than Amerson plus he has only been playing CB two years, converting from WR. Like I told corrosion would have no problem taking Amerson as well, more of a pure press cover anyway, just needs to improve his core strength. Both Trufant & Poyer would be good candidates to trade up from 2nd but probably not 1st rd. grade.

htownfan32
12-05-2012, 05:01 AM
Desmond Trufant... any relationship to Marcus Trufant of the Seahawks?

rmartin65
12-05-2012, 06:45 AM
I did not include Dee Milliner, Alabama because he should be long gone by time Texans select (doubt Banks will be available either) of course figured same thing about Mercilus. Also flip flopped Poyer with Trufant. Otherwise don't feel order is that egregious pretty much in line with Rob Rang who runs Draftscout.com

*Dee Milliner CB 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 198 1
Johnthan Banks CB 2 Mississippi State Sr 6-1 185 1
*Xavier Rhodes CB 3 Florida State rJr 6-1 217 1-2
*David Amerson CB 4 North Carolina State Jr 6-2 194 1-2
Jordan Poyer CB 5 Oregon State Sr 5-11 190 2
Desmond Trufant CB 6 Washington Sr 6-0 186 2

Rhodes does look a natural FS so there could be bonus versatility there & reason why I rated him higher than Amerson plus he has only been playing CB two years, converting from WR. Like I told corrosion would have no problem taking Amerson as well, more of a pure press cover anyway, just needs to improve his core strength. Both Trufant & Poyer would be good candidates to trade up from 2nd but probably not 1st rd. grade.

Yeah, I was going to say something about Millner, but figured you were just not listing an unrealistic target.

My rankings would go

Millner
Banks
Trufant
Amerson
Rhodes
Poyer

I think you are underselling Trufant. He is off-the-charts athleticism and has the look of a natural NFL CB out there.

beerlover
12-05-2012, 09:25 AM
Yeah, I was going to say something about Millner, but figured you were just not listing an unrealistic target.

My rankings would go

Millner
Banks
Trufant
Amerson
Rhodes
Poyer

I think you are underselling Trufant. He is off-the-charts athleticism and has the look of a natural NFL CB out there.

You can make a case to me that Trufant would be a solid selection for Texans with the 32nd pick, he does/would fit in nicely :winky: I would grade him out little higher than Brandon Harris who was considered a fringe 1st rd. pick in 2011. Trufant has better size, ball tackling skills & bloodlines. Similar CB to Banks minus explosiveness. I rank Amerson/Rhodes higher because of plus size for position & higher overall ceilings. I don't think I'm underselling Trufant at all it's just a good group to pick from for a change where Texans select any of whom could push Texan secondary over the top & become much as possible injury proof in salary cap era :)

beerlover
12-05-2012, 09:31 AM
Desmond Trufant... any relationship to Marcus Trufant of the Seahawks?

Yes, he is younger brother of Marcus (the No. 11 overall pick by the Seattle Seahawks in 2003) and Isaiah Trufant (New York Jets). He is ranked the #2 Senior CB by most scouts. Miliner, Rhodes & Amerson are all underclassman.

badboy
12-05-2012, 10:38 AM
I would agree with that .... for the time being. Really have to see the bowl game , Sr bowl & combine to get a real solid read on many of these prospects.

Watching Fluker against Georgia ... he really dropped for me. Maybe Im being overly critical .... maybe it was just a bad day.Yu saw what I did on Fluker. On Long I was not impressed; if we got him in third I would not squawk.

beerlover
12-05-2012, 10:45 AM
Yu saw what I did on Fluker. On Long I was not impressed; if we got him in third I would not squawk.

what exactly did you find wrong with that Flucker? :)

badboy
12-05-2012, 04:01 PM
what exactly did you find wrong with that Flucker? :)Sorry for delay in responding, work keeps getting in the way. Fluker is very strong especially in run but imo seems sluggish (if right word) in pass blocking. Like most guys his size he has difficulty with speed guys and should be RT in power scheme or might work @ RG. I have watched a lot of Alabama but just cannot sign off on him for Texans.

beerlover
12-05-2012, 05:49 PM
Sorry for delay in responding, work keeps getting in the way. Fluker is very strong especially in run but imo seems sluggish (if right word) in pass blocking. Like most guys his size he has difficulty with speed guys and should be RT in power scheme or might work @ RG. I have watched a lot of Alabama but just cannot sign off on him for Texans.

Texans used basically similar pick top of 3rd on Brandon Brooks. Do you feel they are having second thoughts? Heard anything on his progress or lack thereof?

Flucker is a notch above him athletically if that helps put things in perspective.

Honoring Earl 34
12-05-2012, 05:56 PM
Texans used basically similar pick top of 3rd on Brandon Brooks. Do you feel they are having second thoughts? Heard anything on his progress or lack thereof?

Flucker is a notch above him athletically if that helps put things in perspective.

If the NFL bans cut blocks then Brooks and Fluker will be in fashion . I watched Brooks vs the Titans and he did well when I saw him .

badboy
12-05-2012, 06:29 PM
Texans used basically similar pick top of 3rd on Brandon Brooks. Do you feel they are having second thoughts? Heard anything on his progress or lack thereof?

Flucker is a notch above him athletically if that helps put things in perspective.I started to mention Brooks but tbh I just am not sure what they think of him. If it were me, I'd be cautious unless someone jumped out. I would rank Fluker ahead of Brooks also. They are silent about Brooks as they were with Brandon Harris who seems to be finally getting some attention.

obrien52289
12-05-2012, 09:23 PM
1R. David Amerson – CB – NC State

2R. Alec Ogletree – MLB – Georgia

3R. Bacarr Rambo – S – Georgia

4R. Chase Thomas – OLB – Stanford

5R. Collin Klein – QB – Kansas State

6R. Rodney Smith – WR – FSU

7R. Louis Nix – NT – Notre Dame

UDF – Theo Riddick – RB – Notre Dame

Wolf6151
12-06-2012, 01:26 AM
Louis Nix will be a 1st round draft pick, not a 7th.

beerlover
12-06-2012, 03:03 AM
I started to mention Brooks but tbh I just am not sure what they think of him. If it were me, I'd be cautious unless someone jumped out. I would rank Fluker ahead of Brooks also. They are silent about Brooks as they were with Brandon Harris who seems to be finally getting some attention.

According to 76 Brooks got in there a bit & was effective against Tennessee. Great news! He did not specify position but will assume it was RG. So a big man, with athletic ability can fit in a ZBS, however he must learn his craft, develop & use his agility not just brute strength & mass. With a couple years of Brooks & Flucker on the right side imagine the damage they could inflict (Jones will be the Center)?

Ok back to reality. What I really like about Flucker is attitude, leadership & passion for the game. I really miss Eric Winston as the RT for the Houston Texans. What this fine young man has gone through in the last few months has probably not changed him form being the solid human being he always was & is but shows leadership & class during dark, hard times. I'm not saying Flucker is Eric Winston, although on the field I see common ground, I'm saying his spirit & attitude is missed here, although for the fine people of Kansas City I'm glad he is there to help them cope & move on. So the moral of this saga is don't judge a book by its cover :fostering:

beerlover
12-06-2012, 03:13 AM
Louis Nix will be a 1st round draft pick, not a 7th.

Of course, but give him some cred I remember when I was a newbie, well actually I can't, well never mind. Insane mock as it is, how wonderful it is to dream :shades:

Corrosion
12-06-2012, 05:21 AM
Louis Nix will be a 1st round draft pick, not a 7th.

I think that entire mock was meant as a .... joke.:thinking:

Wolf6151
12-06-2012, 05:54 AM
I think that entire mock was meant as a .... joke.:thinking:

I don't know, he posted it twice, starting a new thread with the same mock.