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Fili
11-21-2012, 04:27 PM
Who do you thing should have the starting job?

drs23
11-21-2012, 05:02 PM
Who do you thing should have the starting job?

Is that a real question after seeing that game? I thought he was good coming out but was told his game would never translate to the pros. Kinda looks like he can handle it. Smith will probably work his way back into the line up but now Harbaugh knows what he has on the bench. Smith's day's could be numbered.

thunderkyss
11-21-2012, 06:05 PM
It would be stupid for Kubiak to change our QB at this point in the season. Tj Yates can come in for spot duty against Detroit, throw for 7 TDs & run for a couple on his own. & the smart play would still be to start Schaub against the Titans.

Now if Alex Smith is going to be out for three or four games & Kaepernick continues to put on a show as the team wins those four games, then yeah it becomes a little more tricky. Harbaugh has to really have control of his locker room regardless who he picks & puts up in front of his guys.

I remember there was a coach not too long ago who had a similar situation. He went with the wrong guy. It failed, imo, because he didn't have the locker room & they didn't buy into what he was selling.

& the QB he picked, though good, simply didn't add anything to the offense. He could make all the throws, he made good decisions, he wouldn't give the game away, but he didn't give them an advantage.

You'd think I was talking about Wade & Flutie, which fits this scenario to a T, but I'm talking about Del Rio.

kiwitexansfan
11-21-2012, 06:10 PM
It would be a big gamble to change his QB right now without Smith actually playing badly.

It might come down to which of the QBs has the locker rooms support. If the team want Kaepernick, you probably go with him.

thunderkyss
11-21-2012, 06:22 PM
It might come down to which of the QBs has the locker rooms support. If the team want Kaepernick, you probably go with him.

You would think. But, I think the coach has got to have the locker room. He's got to be the true leader, not just because he's the coach & they're paid to do what he says, but because there's going to be rough seas ahead.

If the coach isn't the leader, he's going to have dissension regardless which way he chooses. It might start as a few whispers in the locker room, or a few choice statements on the sideline.

That's why QB controversies turn into controversies, the team follows the QB & not the coach. Think Montana Young, better yet, remember how Fisher was allowed to slowly bring McNair along.

If you've got a true leader in a Head-Coah, you won't have a QB controversy. If he says Sanchez is the QB, end of story. The team buys it, doesn't matter what the media says.

infantrycak
11-21-2012, 06:36 PM
If you've got a true leader in a Head-Coah, you won't have a QB controversy. If he says Sanchez is the QB, end of story. The team buys it, doesn't matter what the media says.

You are way overstating your case. Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry and many other excellent coaches have had QB controversies. The Cowboys sent Bob Lilly to Landry to get him to start Staubach.

Kaiser Toro
11-21-2012, 06:44 PM
You are way overstating your case. Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry and many other excellent coaches have had QB controversies. The Cowboys sent Bob Lilly to Landry to get him to start Staubach.

We could add Gibbs, Parcells and Seifert in there as well. I would not have said that 12 years ago when I was still strung out on the star.

Norg
11-21-2012, 07:02 PM
go with the hot hand Collin ..... if he starts to choke it in the playoffs then pull him by halftime or somethin

or u can go with the No starting QB should lose his job to injury once hes healthy again

so SmITH and CUtler just go concussed right tey should be rdy 4 this week

The Pencil Neck
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
As good as Alex Smith has played for the Niners, I don't think Harbaugh has that much faith in him. Remember, in the offseason, Harbaugh and the Niners were one of the teams courting Satan Manning.

But then they were like, "Oh, no Alex is our guy. We're behind him 100%."

And then they drafted Kaepernick.

But then they were like, "Oh, no Alex is our guy. We're behind him 100%."

And now Kaepernick comes in and kicks ass and Harbaugh is saying, "Wellllll... we're going to go with the guy that has the hot hand. And we've got two of them."

Yeah.

OK.

Personally, I stick with the vet but to me, it sounds like Harbaugh's wanting to have a reason to start Kaepernick.

Texan4Ever
11-21-2012, 11:06 PM
This is probably a horrible idea but, why not go with whoever hot right now? I would still keep Smith because he has had some spectacular games (playoffs for example) and also just in case Kapernick has a streak of bad games.

Fili
11-21-2012, 11:18 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000098964/article/colin-kaepernick-reportedly-to-start-over-alex-smith-for-49ers

Kaepernick is starting.

thunderkyss
11-22-2012, 08:35 AM
This is probably a horrible idea but, why not go with whoever hot right now? I would still keep Smith because he has had some spectacular games (playoffs for example) and also just in case Kapernick has a streak of bad games.

It sounds like no big deal for us. But it's a pretty dramatic change for any club. If there were an injury, it's ok. Everybody will understand, everybody will buy in. But for something like this, where Alex Smith is ready to play... who knows.

Something as small as an incomplete pass could snowball into a situation that will unravel the whole locker room. Imagine Kaepernick tries to correct Vernon Davis on a route. Vernon barks back that Colin should learn the play-book before he tries to correct him..... & it goes on & on & on... & they are one & done in the play-offs, if they make it.

Of course, he could be that spark that gets them all the way to the Super Bowl as well.. but I didn't think they were needing a spark.

thunderkyss
11-22-2012, 11:26 AM
And really, the main reason I would go with Alex if he were healthy, you can't go back.

If you sit Alex Smith, the QB that got you a play-off win last season (was it two? did they get to the NFC Championship game?) The guy that got you to 7-3, you can't go back.

If something happens to Kaepernick then you'll have Alex Smith out there "trying to prove" something he doesn't need to. He should just be allowed to play his game.

If something happens then, you can always go back to Kaepernick who is already trying to prove something.

Scooter
11-28-2012, 03:21 PM
kaepernick again this week. i cant say i agree with this route, not during what could be a deep playoff run. kaepernick may end up being the better player, or may be better already, but why would you warm up a rookie for the playoffs (thus taking reps away from smith) when the odds of post season success are much higher with your veteran?

thunderkyss
11-28-2012, 03:28 PM
kaepernick again this week. i cant say i agree with this route, not during what could be a deep playoff run. kaepernick may end up being the better player, or may be better already, but why would you warm up a rookie for the playoffs (thus taking reps away from smith) when the odds of post season success are much higher with your veteran?

I agree with that. Mainly because Alex Smith was a big reason they got to the NFC Championship game last year.

I know inexperienced QBs like Rothlisbeger & Brady got it done. But Rothlisberger had more experience than Kaepernick does now.... Rothlisberger went to the AFC Championship the year before right? & Brady is a once in a lifetime thing.

Alex Smith would be the safe bet. But I don't get to see Kaepernick in practice everyday. However, most young QBs will struggle somewhere during the year & I'd hate for that to happen to my young QB during the play-offs when I have someone I think could get me there & win Like Alex Smith.

drs23
11-28-2012, 08:19 PM
I agree with that. Mainly because Alex Smith was a big reason they got to the NFC Championship game last year.

I know inexperienced QBs like Rothlisbeger & Brady got it done. But Rothlisberger had more experience than Kaepernick does now.... Rothlisberger went to the AFC Championship the year before right? & Brady is a once in a lifetime thing.

Alex Smith would be the safe bet. But I don't get to see Kaepernick in practice everyday. However, most young QBs will struggle somewhere during the year & I'd hate for that to happen to my young QB during the play-offs when I have someone I think could get me there & win Like Alex Smith.

idonno: Harbaugh QB'd for what, 15 seasons in the NFL? Seems to me he'd have an eye for what's going on during practice and all the drills that go on every day in reference to the QBs. I talked to football buds and beat the table for him when he was coming out and all I heard was the ol' "He came from a Spread O and will never translate to the Pros. I sprayed 'em because I thought he was miles and miles ahead of Locker, Goldielocks and Ryan Mallett who a bunch of folks were high on. I thought he was the best of the bunch followed by Christian Ponder.

OK, but 50% at the plate ain't bad, eh? :shades:

Lucky
11-28-2012, 11:30 PM
kaepernick again this week. i cant say i agree with this route, not during what could be a deep playoff run. kaepernick may end up being the better player, or may be better already, but why would you warm up a rookie for the playoffs (thus taking reps away from smith) when the odds of post season success are much higher with your veteran?
Because Smith was never Harbaugh's guy. Harbaugh drafted Kaepernick to be his QB for the future. Once he threw Kaepernick into the fire and produced, the future is now. The Niners were never going to keep Smith in 2013, so why not give your future QB the reins? Smith has never been more than a game manager. Kaepernick has potential through the roof. Harbaugh is certainly making the right call

Scooter
11-28-2012, 11:51 PM
i completely understand the sentiment. kaepernick is likely MUCH more talented and is who harbaugh picked, but to me it seems unnecessarily rushed. talent is one thing, but in the playoffs experience is a much more critical factor IMO. the future is not now ... NOW is now. you have a great running game, an elite defense and a veteran quarterback who's excelling in your system with very few turnovers ... and you'd trust a rookie quarterback instead?

ask wade phillips who the 49'ers should start ... i bet he'd love to face a rookie qb in the postseason.

thunderkyss
11-29-2012, 05:51 AM
i completely understand the sentiment. kaepernick is likely MUCH more talented and is who harbaugh picked, but to me it seems unnecessarily rushed. talent is one thing, but in the playoffs experience is a much more critical factor IMO. the future is not now ... NOW is now. you have a great running game, an elite defense and a veteran quarterback who's excelling in your system with very few turnovers ... and you'd trust a rookie quarterback instead?

ask wade phillips who the 49'ers should start ... i bet he'd love to face a rookie qb in the postseason.

I think people forget how close the 49ers are to a Championship. That team got much closer than the Texans did & they're using the same formula. Alex Smith isn't "Matt Schaub" but Kaepernick isn't Tom Brady either.

Alex has been playing well. The 49ers are exactly where they are supposed to be. They are on track to get to the Super Bowl.

Throw Kaepernick in there's no telling how that will alter their course. For the better..... maybe. Throwing in an extra monkey wrench.... most likely.

After the season, I'd go Kaepernick all the way. Even if they win the Super Bowl (which they won't, because we will) if Kaepernick is "Harbaugh's guy"

HoustonFrog
11-29-2012, 09:13 AM
I think people forget how close the 49ers are to a Championship. That team got much closer than the Texans did & they're using the same formula. Alex Smith isn't "Matt Schaub" but Kaepernick isn't Tom Brady either.

Alex has been playing well. The 49ers are exactly where they are supposed to be. They are on track to get to the Super Bowl.

Throw Kaepernick in there's no telling how that will alter their course. For the better..... maybe. Throwing in an extra monkey wrench.... most likely.

After the season, I'd go Kaepernick all the way. Even if they win the Super Bowl (which they won't, because we will) if Kaepernick is "Harbaugh's guy"

Agree with this.

I think Kaepernick is a better QB, gives them more flexibility and he can change a game. My issue is that no one has really game planned for him yet. Once that happens and he gets into some hostile playoff games, how is he going to react?Your putting your SB talented team on the line with a rookie right now?Alex Smith isn't special but he has been in big games and was 2 muffed punt returns away from a SB.

thunderkyss
11-29-2012, 09:19 AM
Alex Smith isn't special but he has been in big games and was 2 muffed punt returns away from a SB.

Absolutely, he was lights out in the play-offs. Had it not been for his excellent play, they would not have been in the NFC Championship game.

Specnatz
11-29-2012, 05:32 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/columnist-compares-successful-nfl-quarterback-to-m

Per TC tweet.

thunderkyss
11-29-2012, 06:16 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/columnist-compares-successful-nfl-quarterback-to-m
Columnist Compares Successful NFL Quarterback To Maximum-Security Prisoner Because Of Tattoos

Per TC tweet.

Wow..... I'd rather they have tattoos than those porn-style mustaches.


I'm not a big fan of tattoos. Don't have any. But I don't have a problem with them... well, I wouldn't care for a hoe-badge on my significant other, but other than that...

What I really don't like though, are guages. Can't stand them.

Norg
11-29-2012, 06:20 PM
looks like they are going to ride an DIe with collin ...or untill he plays realllyyyy bad

Hervoyel
11-29-2012, 09:21 PM
If I'm Alex Smith I say all the right things, don't make this into any more of a distraction than it has to be, and as soon as the season is over I tell the GM of the 49ers that I'm out of there and he can trade me or release me but I'm not staying. Smith can start in this league and succeed. He has been in my opinion more a victim of a revolving door of suck than anything and the last couple of years have demonstrated that he can play and play at a high level.

Don't do anything to mess up your trade value or give anyone the impression that you're not a team player but get the hell out of there as soon as the 2012 campaign is over.

ChampionTexan
11-29-2012, 11:04 PM
If I'm Alex Smith I say all the right things, don't make this into any more of a distraction than it has to be, and as soon as the season is over I tell the GM of the 49ers that I'm out of there and he can trade me or release me but I'm not staying. Smith can start in this league and succeed. He has been in my opinion more a victim of a revolving door of suck than anything and the last couple of years have demonstrated that he can play and play at a high level.

Don't do anything to mess up your trade value or give anyone the impression that you're not a team player but get the hell out of there as soon as the 2012 campaign is over.

Barring a major injury to Kaepernick, something tells me Trent Baalke (San Fran GM) would be just fine with that - in fact he'll probably beat Smith to it.

The contract Smith signed in March was structured intentionally to function as a one year contract if need be. The only guarantee left is $1 Million of his 2013 salary, and there will be no unamortized bonus if he's traded or let go this off season.

Smith is scheduled to make $8.5 Million next year (including a $1 Million roster bonus due in August). That's way too much to spend on a backup QB, and if he's on the opening day 2013 roster, every dime of that will be guaranteed.

Translation: He gone!

thunderkyss
11-30-2012, 10:50 AM
Ok... does anyone see the parallels between what's going on in San Francisco & the QB debates we have here on TTalk?

Alex Smith is a far cry from Matt Schaub, but they are similar in that people will say, "He's not Tom Brady, but you can win a Super Bowl with him."

Kaepernick, nobody really knows who this guy is but Haurbaugh & Kaepernick. We'll see. But it's clear, that his upside appears to be higher. He's dynamic. He's flashy.

I haven't watched any San Francisco games this year with Smith, but my question is... are they running the same offense? Are they running the same plays & Kaepernick is simply making different decisions than what Alex would make in those same situations? Was Alex just playing it safe & Kaepernick making the most of his opportunities?

ChampionTexan
11-30-2012, 11:44 AM
Ok... does anyone see the parallels between what's going on in San Francisco & the QB debates we have here on TTalk?

Alex Smith is a far cry from Matt Schaub, but they are similar in that people will say, "He's not Tom Brady, but you can win a Super Bowl with him."

Kaepernick, nobody really knows who this guy is but Haurbaugh & Kaepernick. We'll see. But it's clear, that his upside appears to be higher. He's dynamic. He's flashy.

I haven't watched any San Francisco games this year with Smith, but my question is... are they running the same offense? Are they running the same plays & Kaepernick is simply making different decisions than what Alex would make in those same situations? Was Alex just playing it safe & Kaepernick making the most of his opportunities?

I don't know if the offense if functioning the same with Kaepernick at QB, and I do recognize certain similarities between Smith and Schaub, but absolutely nothing beyond that.

The Forty-Niners and Harbaugh traded up to draft Kaepernick early in the second round (fourth pick), and as such, he was the assumed starter of the future the second he was drafted. Yates is a 5th round pick who may or may not have a long term future with the Texans, and even at that, he's far surpassed the expectations anybody had for him on draft day. Smith was a holdover from the regime prior to Harbaugh. Schaub is a QB that Kubiak personally vetted and paid a fairly high price to obtain.

Smith and Schaub are an apples to better apples comparison. Kapernick and Yates (or Keenum, or any QB the Texans are likely to obtain in the near future) are apples to moon rocks.

SheTexan
11-30-2012, 11:53 AM
I think people forget how close the 49ers are to a Championship. That team got much closer than the Texans did & they're using the same formula. Alex Smith isn't "Matt Schaub" but Kaepernick isn't Tom Brady either.

Alex has been playing well. The 49ers are exactly where they are supposed to be. They are on track to get to the Super Bowl.

Throw Kaepernick in there's no telling how that will alter their course. For the better..... maybe. Throwing in an extra monkey wrench.... most likely.

After the season, I'd go Kaepernick all the way. Even if they win the Super Bowl (which they won't, because we will) if Kaepernick is "Harbaugh's guy"

Being a HUGE Niner fan, I have been paying a lot of attention to this mess, and I agree with you on your assessment. Hardball is making a mistake by starting Kaep. Never been a huge A. Smith fan, but, he's gotten them this far and should be allowed to keep his job. JMO! Really kinda p*ssed off at the Niners right now! I guess we'll see how the boy does. I wish them well, except when they play us!

thunderkyss
11-30-2012, 01:12 PM
Smith and Schaub are an apples to better apples comparison. Kapernick and Yates (or Keenum, or any QB the Texans are likely to obtain in the near future) are apples to moon rocks.

No, no, no.no... I'm not trying to make an apples to apples comparison between Kaepernick & Yates, or Keenum. Not even between Matt & Alex. Just acknowledging parallels between the two situations.

Alex Smith is not an elite QB, but he can get that team to & win a Super Bowl. Matt can do the same here. This is largely due to the fact that both teams have strong defenses & strong running games. Not to say that Schaub is just a game manager, but Alex Smith was a bit more than just a game manager last year when he lead his team to a play-off win on the road @ the Super Dome.

Still, Harbaugh wanted more, wanted an upgrade at that position.

Kubiak obviously does not.

Now, I'm not saying this is a good decision by either Harbaugh or Kubiak. Only different. I think there are some here who believe the "upgrade the QB" crowd are delirious, that the line of thinking simply doesn't make sense. I'm just saying it made sense to Harbaugh.

I've already acknowledged the difference between Schaub & Smith. Yeah, Kubiak went after Schaub to be our starter. Alex just happened to be there. Matt's stats probably blows Alex's out of the water. But, Smith has done something Schaub hasn't & that's win two play-off games & play for a conference Championship (& played quite well).

Still Harbaugh is "ready" to move on.

I think it's a big mistake. I know Kaepernick was brought in to be the future, but Smith has that important play-off experience. I would think that would trump Kaepernick's "future-of-the-franchise" status.

I would continue to play Smith & throw Kaepernick in the way he had been. Alex got them too close to the Super Bowl, they're playing too well this year, to be changing out QBs now.

ChampionTexan
11-30-2012, 02:56 PM
No, no, no.no... I'm not trying to make an apples to apples comparison between Kaepernick & Yates, or Keenum. Not even between Matt & Alex. Just acknowledging parallels between the two situations.

Alex Smith is not an elite QB, but he can get that team to & win a Super Bowl. Matt can do the same here. This is largely due to the fact that both teams have strong defenses & strong running games. Not to say that Schaub is just a game manager, but Alex Smith was a bit more than just a game manager last year when he lead his team to a play-off win on the road @ the Super Dome.

Still, Harbaugh wanted more, wanted an upgrade at that position.

Kubiak obviously does not.

Now, I'm not saying this is a good decision by either Harbaugh or Kubiak. Only different. I think there are some here who believe the "upgrade the QB" crowd are delirious, that the line of thinking simply doesn't make sense. I'm just saying it made sense to Harbaugh.

I've already acknowledged the difference between Schaub & Smith. Yeah, Kubiak went after Schaub to be our starter. Alex just happened to be there. Matt's stats probably blows Alex's out of the water. But, Smith has done something Schaub hasn't & that's win two play-off games & play for a conference Championship (& played quite well).

Still Harbaugh is "ready" to move on.

I think it's a big mistake. I know Kaepernick was brought in to be the future, but Smith has that important play-off experience. I would think that would trump Kaepernick's "future-of-the-franchise" status.

I would continue to play Smith & throw Kaepernick in the way he had been. Alex got them too close to the Super Bowl, they're playing too well this year, to be changing out QBs now.

Where I believe we see things differently is that you made the comment "Still, Harbaugh wanted more, wanted an upgrade at that position". That's where I disagree - Harbaugh didn't want an upgrade to the 2012 Alex Smith, he wanted an upgrade to the 2005-2010 Alex Smith, and that Alex Smith didn't compare at all to Schaub. One statistic that while admittedly not a "tell the whole story" type of deal is that at the time Harbaugh took over in San Fran, Smith's highest QB rating was 82.1. Even including 2011 & 2012, his career QB rating is still under 80. Since being with the Texans, Schaub's had one season where his rating was under 90, and that was his first season at 87.2.

So fast forward to 2012 - Harbaugh didn't have to go out and find what he considered an upgrade, he already had it. I don't know that Kaepernick over Smith is the right choice, although admittedly I think there's a better chance of it than some folks do, but I just don't see it on the whole as similar to what we've got going on with the Texans.

thunderkyss
11-30-2012, 07:39 PM
Where I believe we see things differently is that you made the comment "Still, Harbaugh wanted more, wanted an upgrade at that position". That's where I disagree - Harbaugh didn't want an upgrade to the 2012 Alex Smith, he wanted an upgrade to the 2005-2010 Alex Smith, and that Alex Smith didn't compare at all to Schaub. One statistic that while admittedly not a "tell the whole story" type of deal is that at the time Harbaugh took over in San Fran, Smith's highest QB rating was 82.1. Even including 2011 & 2012, his career QB rating is still under 80. Since being with the Texans, Schaub's had one season where his rating was under 90, and that was his first season at 87.2.

True. They drafted Kaepernick even before the 2011 Alex Smith.

Well played.

Norg
12-01-2012, 05:16 AM
heheh now texans want alex smith to replace Schaub when he retires


i guess no faith in Yates :P

Lucky
12-01-2012, 08:05 AM
Ok... does anyone see the parallels between what's going on in San Francisco & the QB debates we have here on TTalk?
There are no QB debates here. The only question prior to the season was, "Will Schaub's foot be healed?". That's been answered. Well enough to give Matt an extension, in the collective mind of McNair and Smithiak. No parallels except both teams are driving towards the playoffs.

NitroGSXR
12-01-2012, 09:38 AM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/columnist-compares-successful-nfl-quarterback-to-m

Per TC tweet.

That link also has a story on why the Texans are underappreciated. If you guessed the reason to be Schaub's receding hairline, you would be right.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/the-thrilling-texans-are-underappreciated-because

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/27/16/enhanced-buzz-1911-1354051386-1.jpg

ajohnson80
12-02-2012, 04:19 PM
kap not playin to well only put up 17 last game and 13 this one...would be awesome if they tie again lol

Showtime100
12-02-2012, 04:22 PM
kap not playin to well only put up 17 last game and 13 this one...would be awesome if they tie again lol

Yeah..lol. They are looking at another tie square in the face.

ajohnson80
12-02-2012, 04:37 PM
so close..nice win for the Rams. Will people want Alex back now?

TD
12-03-2012, 06:21 AM
kap not playin to well only put up 17 last game and 13 this one...would be awesome if they tie again lol

21 if you count the 8 he scored for the Rams.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 08:18 AM
so close..nice win for the Rams. Will people want Alex back now?

Does it matter?

That was exactly the reason Harbaugh played Kaepernick. He needs to get that stuff out of his system before the season starts. Everybody screws up. Whether it was Alex Smith or Kaepernick, somewhere along the way they're going to screw up.

Kaepernick answered the question & was able to shrug it off. They didn't win the game. Most likely because of his two blunders. But, when they lose a game now, they can come back & play again next week.

Don't work that way for the play-offs & Harbaugh knows that.

Right now, we're talking about the play-offs. We don't want to play Manning one week & Brady the next. Alex Smith does not get that kind of respect. Kaepernick won't either, but I guarantee there will be a couple of teams saying, "Damn, I wish he'd play Alex." He's easier to plan for.

I didn't/don't agree with Harbaugh's decision, that's not the way I would have done it. But I think I understand why he's doing it. Alex got hurt, Kaep came in, played well. The genie is out of the bottle, can't put it back in.

IDEXAN
12-03-2012, 08:18 AM
Harbaugh has got to be seriously second-guessing himself after losing yesterday to the Rams with CK under center.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 08:25 AM
Harbaugh has got to be seriously second-guessing himself after losing yesterday to the Rams with CK under center.

I don't think so. They're going to win some, they're going to lose some. He knows that. The important thing is that Kaepernick can shake it off & continue to lead his team.

In the locker room, the team is going to be thinking about that & it might cause some friction, might cause some division. Kaepernick needs to be a leader & keep the team.

The important thing now, is that Kap has got to own it all week & reassure his team-mates that he's going to make up for it. Then he's got to back it up.

But this is probably the best thing that could happen for Harbaugh. That it happens now, & not in January.

LikeMike
12-03-2012, 09:19 AM
The problem is: they were in a serious win now position with a guy that has been in that situation before and you know what he will give you.

Kaepernick seems to be the better QB - but he is also a wildcard. On one night he will be fantastic, on the next he will struggle. He is basically a rookie out there.

I guess the move was inevitable - but it came at a pretty bad time. Finish the season with Smith, then let them battle it out next preseason and do the switch there - not in the middle of the season you want to win a superbowl in while your veteran QB is having his best year yet.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 09:38 AM
The problem is: they were in a serious win now position with a guy that has been in that situation before and you know what he will give you.

Kaepernick seems to be the better QB - but he is also a wildcard. On one night he will be fantastic, on the next he will struggle. He is basically a rookie out there.

I guess the move was inevitable - but it came at a pretty bad time. Finish the season with Smith, then let them battle it out next preseason and do the switch there - not in the middle of the season you want to win a superbowl in while your veteran QB is having his best year yet.

I agree. That's exactly the way I would go about it. But like I said, we are where we are now & Harbaugh made the decision he thought was best.

What happened with Alex Smith last year, going to NO & beating Brees in shootout, then taking the game to the Giants. If you had to bet money, would you put it on Alex to do it again in 2012?

I wouldn't. If your QB has to win a game in the play-offs, what are the odds that Alex Smith can do it again? I personally think it is more likely that Kaepernick can. Based on what I saw & the decision that Harbaugh made.

I don't think there is a right decision here, or a wrong decision. I would take the safe road & go with Smith. Harbaugh is putting his money where his mouth is. We'll see how it plays out.

GP
12-03-2012, 10:36 AM
It's the Russell Wilson syndrome.

Plays like a world beater when he's under everyone's radar, then when the games get real AND teams start preparing for you...the shine comes off the star.

I knew he'd struggle once the job was his. Once it sets in, I think those types of wildcard QBs don't handle it well. There's a rush of adrenaline because the guy can sense he's about to win the job...then he wins the job, and the moment is gone. Where do you go from there? You have more to lose than to gain, at that point, because now YOU are under the microscope. I think the pressure gets to them.

In fairness to Russell Wilson, though, he's done a fairly decent job this year.

Harbaugh messed up that team's chemistry, IMO. He thought he could make a radical move like this, and I think he's lost the locker room a little. This is where Kubiak is the better coach of the two: Kubiak is so loyal, that guys know they can have a bad performance...shake it off...and they get a chance to make good on their coach's faith in them. Harbaugh pulled a bit of a punk move. So his true colors are coming out: You're only as good as I say you are, and nobody is safe. Not even the guy who got us to the NFCS game last year.

Should have went with A.S. the rest of the way, IMO.

ajohnson80
12-03-2012, 04:14 PM
Harbaugh made a big mistake here imo. You don't take a chance on a young unproven qb in the middle of a playoff race. They cost you games. On a crap team like the Eagles you bench Vick and see what the guy has. I have a feeling Kap is done for the season barring injury from Alex. I'm not sure Alex will play as well knowing his days are basically numbered now. This move might have cost the 49ers a chance at the superbowl because every other aspect of that team is elite.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 05:39 PM
Harbaugh made a big mistake here imo. You don't take a chance on a young unproven qb in the middle of a playoff race. They cost you games. On a crap team like the Eagles you bench Vick and see what the guy has. I have a feeling Kap is done for the season barring injury from Alex. I'm not sure Alex will play as well knowing his days are basically numbered now. This move might have cost the 49ers a chance at the superbowl because every other aspect of that team is elite.

He didn't have a choice. Alex Smith got a concussion. It took some time before Alex could get healthy, Kaepernick started in the mean time. This was the first time Kaepernick started when Alex was healthy.

As far as the play-off race goes, the Seahawks are their only competition. It's a close race, but it's the Seahawks.

ajohnson80
12-03-2012, 06:28 PM
He didn't have a choice. Alex Smith got a concussion. It took some time before Alex could get healthy, Kaepernick started in the mean time. This was the first time Kaepernick started when Alex was healthy.

As far as the play-off race goes, the Seahawks are their only competition. It's a close race, but it's the Seahawks.

He was cleared to play game before last and the last game so Harbaugh definitely made a choice. Every game counts when it comes to playoff positioning so I don't get your logic there. Would you say the same if you were a 49er fan? I wouldn't overlook the Seahawks who have one of the best secondary's in the league. They still have to play @ pats @ seahawks and arizona who is no slouch defensively. Kap's due to start throwin some picks against these good secondary's, and he probably will have some more bad games if he plays out the season. I do see Kap's upside and think he has the potential to be the future there, but hes clearly got some developing left to even reach Alex Smith's level.

I wouldn't feel any sense of loyalty if I was in that locker room.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 06:34 PM
He was cleared to play game before last and the last game so Harbaugh definitely made a choice. Every game counts when it comes to playoff positioning so I don't get your logic there. Would you say the same if you were a 49er fan? I wouldn't overlook the Seahawks who have one of the best secondary's in the league. They still have to play @ pats @ seahawks and arizona who is no slouch defensively. Kap's due to start throwin some picks against these good secondary's, and he probably will have some more bad games if he plays out the season. I do see Kap's upside and think he has the potential to be the future there, but hes clearly got some developing left to even reach Alex Smith's level.

I wouldn't feel any sense of loyalty if I was in that locker room.

I would have stayed with Alex. But I'm not in the locker room. I don't know if Alex was the leader because he was the QB, like Carr, or if he was the leader.

But watching Kaepernick yesterday, it clicked. That's why he did it, to get that stuff out of the way. To see how he handles it this week, to see if it's going to affect him next week.

You saw Alex Smith last year, what he had to do to get that team to the NFC Championship game. What do you think are the odds that he can do that again?

Other than the Jets & the Cardinals, who is going to be rushing to sign Alex Smith? After just 3 games, I can think of three that would jump on the possibility of acquiring Colin Kaepernick.

ajohnson80
12-03-2012, 07:13 PM
I would have stayed with Alex. But I'm not in the locker room. I don't know if Alex was the leader because he was the QB, like Carr, or if he was the leader.

But watching Kaepernick yesterday, it clicked. That's why he did it, to get that stuff out of the way. To see how he handles it this week, to see if it's going to affect him next week.

You saw Alex Smith last year, what he had to do to get that team to the NFC Championship game. What do you think are the odds that he can do that again?

Other than the Jets & the Cardinals, who is going to be rushing to sign Alex Smith? After just 3 games, I can think of three that would jump on the possibility of acquiring Colin Kaepernick.

I agree Kaepernick is the better talent. Defenses will start scheming for him now, and I don't think his stats or performance warrant a benching of Alex. Maybe Alex can't repeat his playoff run from last year, but he earned the chance. With him at the helm I feel they are legit superbowl contenders. With Kaepernick it is unknown how he will react to pressure or defenses that scheme to stop him. Its just a huge unnecessary gamble

I feel the chances are better with Alex. That team is more built around defense and running. Alex is good for that because he takes whats there and rarely turns it over.

Do you want a wildcard that could win or lose the game for you?

That team should have been in the superbowl last year. Its not Alex's fault they fumbled.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 08:13 PM
Maybe Alex can't repeat his playoff run from last year, but he earned the chance.

I hear what you're saying. I'm only saying I an see what Harbaugh was thinking. This is a QB league. & Alex isn't that kind of QB.


That team should have been in the superbowl last year. Its not Alex's fault they fumbled.

If they were up by two touchdowns, it wouldn't have mattered.

ajohnson80
12-03-2012, 08:37 PM
If they were up by two touchdowns, it wouldn't have mattered.

Im confused, are you saying with Kaepernick they beat the Giants by 2 tds?

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 08:54 PM
Im confused, are you saying with Kaepernick they beat the Giants by 2 tds?

No, the fumble led to a TD so they would have only won by 1 TD.

Of course I'm not saying they would have won with Kaepernick. What I'm saying is, if you believe this is a QB driven league your chances of winning is better when you have a play-maker at QB. Someone that doesn't just take what the defense gives you.

I don't know that Kaepernick is that guy, but I know Alex Smith is not. Tie his hands behind his back & you might get there with a strong running game & a stout defense.

You add a QB to that run game & defense, & you've got the Giants.

Alex Smith, is fools gold. Makes you think you can do it. Gets you close, but in reality you're not close at all. If it weren't that fumble, it would have been a 3 & out, a monster punt return, & a Super Bowl MVP type QB eliminating you anyway.

ajohnson80
12-03-2012, 09:29 PM
No, the fumble led to a TD so they would have only won by 1 TD.

Of course I'm not saying they would have won with Kaepernick. What I'm saying is, if you believe this is a QB driven league your chances of winning is better when you have a play-maker at QB. Someone that doesn't just take what the defense gives you.

I don't know that Kaepernick is that guy, but I know Alex Smith is not. Tie his hands behind his back & you might get there with a strong running game & a stout defense.

You add a QB to that run game & defense, & you've got the Giants.

Alex Smith, is fools gold. Makes you think you can do it. Gets you close, but in reality you're not close at all. If it weren't that fumble, it would have been a 3 & out, a monster punt return, & a Super Bowl MVP type QB eliminating you anyway.
Well it was a field goal and it was overtime. You can't say for sure they would go 3 & out.

I get what your saying and i agree they need to upgrade Alex Smith, but Harbaugh really botched this situation. I'm not sure they can go back to Alex and expect him to play the same knowing that they are going to replace him asap. So now their superbowl hopes are resting on basically a rookie with no postseason experience when the starting qb who got you to nfc champ almost the superbowl was having his best year ever. It's like hes taking a gamble with money he can't afford to lose.

The playoffs are tough and you don't know how long your window is in this league. Theres always a team or two on the rise dieing to take their spot. I don't think you can waste a postseason hoping that kaepernick is the one.

Who knows Kap could go on a huge tear and take them to the superbowl, but more likely he doesn't and makes some mistakes. I could see 49ers fans being rightfully pissed. So I would say 20% chance Harbaugh looks like a genius. 80% he messed up a superbowl contending team. This was a terrible gamble that he obviously made being a prisoner of the moment. Harbaugh's knock is that he can't control his emotions thus leading to dumb decisions like this.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 09:58 PM
I get what your saying and i agree they need to upgrade Alex Smith, but Harbaugh really botched this situation. I'm not sure they can go back to Alex and expect him to play the same knowing that they are going to replace him asap. So now their superbowl hopes are resting on basically a rookie with no postseason experience when the starting qb who got you to nfc champ almost the superbowl was having his best year ever. It's like hes taking a gamble with money he can't afford to lose.


Well Kap isn't a rookie. He's a second year player. Been sitting on the bench getting acclimated to the NFL.

When you consider that, the story kinda sounds like that thing that happened in New England (http://blogs.cornell.edu/newmedia10wvc6/2011/09/20/remembering-drew-bledsoe/) a little while back. While I'm not sure how well Bledsoe was playing before he got hurt, I imagine he played as well as Alex Smith.

thunderkyss
12-03-2012, 10:12 PM
One more thing. In a way, sticking with Alex Smith is like playing not to lose. Colin Kaepernik is like playing to win. You take "unneccesary" chances.

ajohnson80
12-04-2012, 01:10 AM
Well Kap isn't a rookie. He's a second year player. Been sitting on the bench getting acclimated to the NFL.

When you consider that, the story kinda sounds like that thing that happened in New England (http://blogs.cornell.edu/newmedia10wvc6/2011/09/20/remembering-drew-bledsoe/) a little while back. While I'm not sure how well Bledsoe was playing before he got hurt, I imagine he played as well as Alex Smith.

I said he's BASICALLY a rookie because he never started. If Kap fails then its a terrible gamble. A season where they had superbowl talent wasted on developing a young qb. He's not exactly picking opponents apart like Brady was. The last 2 games Kaps offense has only put up 17 and 13, and it might be too late to go to back.

I think it was the 2nd game of the season Bledsoe got hurt and they were 0-2 so its not like they were in a playoff race. Iirc Bledsoe almost died from that injury. He was also gone longer than 1 game i believe it like 6 weeks at least. Brady lead them to an 11-5 season including an 8 game win streak after Bledsoe started out 0-2. Bledsoe was also in the tail end of his career. He was a top 90's qb but father time was catching up to him. So that situation is not the same at all.

thunderkyss
12-04-2012, 01:12 AM
I said he's BASICALLY a rookie because he never started. If Kap fails then its a terrible gamble.

I think it was the 2nd game of the season Bledsoe got hurt and they were 0-2 so its not like they were in a playoff race. He was also gone longer than 1 game i believe it like 6 weeks at least. Brady lead them to an 11-5 season including an 8 game win streak after Bledsoe started out 0-2. Bledsoe was also in the tail end of his career. He was a top 90's qb but father time was catching up to him. So that situation is not the same at all.

Well yeah, but other than that, it's the same thing. :kitten:

The Pencil Neck
12-04-2012, 04:30 PM
I just look at it this way...

Harbaugh has been with both of these QBs for two years. He's seen them in practice and in games.

He thinks Kaepernick gives him the best chance to win.

I think that should pretty much end the discussion right there. Harbaugh knows more about these two players, more about his team, and more about how to play QB than any of us do.

Harbaugh has done some things that have made me scratch my head but it's hard to argue with the overall results.

RonnieLott42
12-04-2012, 06:20 PM
Hello everyone, Niners fan here and just noticed the Smith/Kaepernick thread. It looks like you all have it pretty much figured out.
One correction though and that is that the Niners played at home last year against the Saints and not in New Orleans.

GP
12-05-2012, 12:15 AM
Hello everyone, Niners fan here and just noticed the Smith/Kaepernick thread. It looks like you all have it pretty much figured out.
One correction though and that is that the Niners played at home last year against the Saints and not in New Orleans.

Do you think, as I said a lott earlier in this thread, that this is typical Backup QB Saves The Day stuff going on here? And that once the job is now his, he sort of shrinks back to being a bit unreliable and just flat out average? As if the thrill of the hunt is gone, so what is there to fight for now?

It's easy to be a hero when you think you got nothing to lose by going for it anyways....and then once it's yours, and you're now THE starting QB...the pressure is too great to handle for those types of QBs. They know it takes a few slip-ups and you're back to being a virtual nobody again.

Just my two cents. Interested to hear your replies. And btw, man...I was watching the 49ers highlights...specifically Frank Gore's runs--I just laughed and grunted when I saw him busting those runs. That guy is nails. One of the toughest runners in the game. He can flat out brutalize defenses before they know what happens.

RonnieLott42
12-05-2012, 04:24 AM
Do you think, as I said a lott earlier in this thread, that this is typical Backup QB Saves The Day stuff going on here? And that once the job is now his, he sort of shrinks back to being a bit unreliable and just flat out average? As if the thrill of the hunt is gone, so what is there to fight for now?

It's easy to be a hero when you think you got nothing to lose by going for it anyways....and then once it's yours, and you're now THE starting QB...the pressure is too great to handle for those types of QBs. They know it takes a few slip-ups and you're back to being a virtual nobody again.

Just my two cents. Interested to hear your replies. And btw, man...I was watching the 49ers highlights...specifically Frank Gore's runs--I just laughed and grunted when I saw him busting those runs. That guy is nails. One of the toughest runners in the game. He can flat out brutalize defenses before they know what happens.

IMO Harbaugh wants Kaepernick to succeed because he was one of Harbaughs first draft choices and he needs to beat the Giants. Word around the campfire is that Harbaugh knows that Smith can beat the average teams but not the top teams that they'll meet in the playoffs. The last game against the Giants was the beginning of the end for Smith and his injury provided Harbaugh the opportunity to test Kaepernick in real game conditions.

While Smith makes almost no mistakes he also takes no chances which is great when playing with a lead but also makes it difficult to overcome one. I think Harbaugh wants to dictate to other teams and not let them get too comfortable. I'll bet we see some deep passes to Moss, Jenkins(#1 pick) and Manningham from Kaepernicks arm in the near future.

When the Niners last played the Giants knew where Smith was going with the ball and disguised coverages to lull Smith into thinking certain patterns were open then picked him off. They said it was through watching film and betting on Smiths tendencies. From SI.com-

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Antrel Rolle and the New York Giants studied Alex Smith so much they practically knew what was coming.

On one play in the third quarter, even running back Ahmad Bradshaw screamed from the sideline: "Trail. He's watching you." Rolle responded, pretended he was playing the deep ball and then sliced in front of Kyle Williams on a short hook.

"He threw the ball right to me," Rolle said.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/gameflash/2012/10/14/4980/index.html#ixzz2EAPwgh9k

About Gore, what can I say other than I wish they made more of him. He's carried this team for so many years, I just hope they can reward him with a ring for all his efforts. I've seen the Niners since the last days of Brodie and saw Tyler, Craig, Rathman, Waters. All great players and while I am partial to Roger Craig, I have to admit Frank is special. He runs mad and smooth at the same time.

p.s. The knowledge in this forum is some of best I've seen around and I try to get to every upcoming opponents forum just to see what the inside info is. Texans fans sure do know their stuff.

thunderkyss
12-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Speaking of Alex Smith.

What do you think of the decision to go with Kaepernick now?

I know we've seen Alex Smith go against Brees in the Play-offs & hang. We've seen Alex Smith have at least a couple of amazing games.

But if you were to bet money on it, would you think he could have pulled off what Kaepernick did yesterday? I wouldn't. He's just not that guy. That game was right at what I think Smith's ceiling is. The odds of him doing it when you need him to do it are low. That's just the way I see it.

Now Kaepernick wasn't perfect. He had some serious goofs. But he also made plays to "make up" for them & he's got a running game & a defense that will allow him to screw up.

Scooter
12-17-2012, 08:02 PM
with the way the defense played, i think the score would've been further apart with smith starting. kaepernick only threw for 200 yards, fumbled the ball 4 times, and threw a pick. those are areas that smith cleans up and is more likely to move the ball more consistently at the end of the game, killing it instead of allowing the pats so much time to mount a comeback.

ajohnson80
12-17-2012, 10:03 PM
I thought Kaep played ok. He is making alot of mistakes Alex wouldn't make, but he is also making plays Alex can't make. The more I see of Kaep it's clear he is a great fit for what they are doing on offense.

I still think Harbaugh made a mistake giving him the team this year because he is still learning and I think he will cost them a game in the playoffs that Alex would not. He should have given the team back to Alex for this season, and spent the off-season better preparing Kaep. This would have given him a whole season to improve on some of his decisions before hitting the playoffs.

gtexan02
12-17-2012, 10:15 PM
The guy threw for 4 TDs. Four. With an 8.6 yards per attempt average. Those are spectacular numbers

Alex Smith has never thrown for 4 TDs in a single game in his entire career.

RonnieLott42
12-19-2012, 03:49 AM
Speaking of Alex Smith.

What do you think of the decision to go with Kaepernick now?

I know we've seen Alex Smith go against Brees in the Play-offs & hang. We've seen Alex Smith have at least a couple of amazing games.

But if you were to bet money on it, would you think he could have pulled off what Kaepernick did yesterday? I wouldn't. He's just not that guy. That game was right at what I think Smith's ceiling is. The odds of him doing it when you need him to do it are low. That's just the way I see it.

Now Kaepernick wasn't perfect. He had some serious goofs. But he also made plays to "make up" for them & he's got a running game & a defense that will allow him to screw up.

This was the game that I was waiting for from Kaepernick and you know Harbaugh was as happy as a pig in...well he was happy.
I never was a big Smith fan and agree that AS probably wouldn't have won in Gillette stadium as his natural temperment is to be careful. That cautious approach wouldn't have worked against the Patriots although he has won many games against lesser teams. When the Niners have tried to have ASmith be aggressive it's resulted in losses(Vikings, NY Giants).
One of CK's best attributes is his aggressive nature on the field. It's strange to see how different the offense looks when someone gets the ball to the secondary and tertiary targets.
I'll roll with the errors that CK makes because so far he's done what good QB's do when they make a mistake and that's follow it up with a good play. Smith would go into safe mode more often than not after a bad play.
No doubt CK has the best safety nets that a young QB could ask for, as you said. I have confidence that CK will be light years better in 2-3 seasons.

thunderkyss
12-19-2012, 06:27 AM
I have confidence that CK will be light years better in 2-3 seasons.

Agreed. & as far as the Super Bowl goes, it could be argued that Alex Smith wasn't going to get you there anyway, regardless how far he got you last year. That's the danger with fool's gold. It makes you believe the unreal.

Just as the Super Bowl goes through Peyton or Brady for the AFC (regardless where the game is played), chances are you're going to see Eli or Rogers in the NFC.

TD
12-19-2012, 09:24 AM
Agreed. & as far as the Super Bowl goes, it could be argued that Alex Smith wasn't going to get you there anyway, regardless how far he got you last year. That's the danger with fool's gold. It makes you believe the unreal.

Just as the Super Bowl goes through Peyton or Brady for the AFC (regardless where the game is played), chances are you're going to see Eli or Rogers in the NFC.

I always thought of Eli as more of a "doesn't lose the game" QB than one that wins for you. Feel the same way about Alex Smith. Personally I think that is all the 49ers needed this season, but time will tell.

thunderkyss
12-19-2012, 09:27 AM
I always thought of Eli as more of a "doesn't lose the game" QB than one that wins for you. Feel the same way about Alex Smith. Personally I think that is all the 49ers needed this season, but time will tell.

I'm not a huge Eli fan, but when he's on.... ouch.

RonnieLott42
12-20-2012, 03:12 AM
Agreed. & as far as the Super Bowl goes, it could be argued that Alex Smith wasn't going to get you there anyway, regardless how far he got you last year. That's the danger with fool's gold. It makes you believe the unreal.

Just as the Super Bowl goes through Peyton or Brady for the AFC (regardless where the game is played), chances are you're going to see Eli or Rogers in the NFC.

I think that Harbaugh saw so much progress in CK at practice that he had to put him on the field as soon as he could. And the players respond to CK, which might be the biggest factor of them all.
Agree, every team has a dangerous QB that can score from anywhere on the field when you get deep in the playoffs. CK has had a couple of one or two play drives so it's nice to have that ability as well as the patience to grind out 95+ yard drives.

Bottom line, Kaepernick has been everything that Harbaugh imagined when he made the bold play to bench Smith. Part of the reason is that he has such an unusual sense of calm about him under pressure. It is not unlike what the league has seen with the likes of Brady or even Joe Montana, although Kaepernick is a way from that stage. Kaepernick has what can only be term preternatural calm.

"He's been poised throughout games," said Patriots safety Devin McCourty "Nothing seems to rattle him. He's been able to just play his game. Even last week against Miami, with the game on the line, important drive, he keeps it and runs down the sideline for a touchdown. We knew were weren't going to really rattle him or get him out of his game. We knew he was a tough player."

"He was poised, nothing fazed him, and the guys on their team rally around him," Patriots Pro Bowl nose tackle Vince Wilfork said. "He's a good leader … a good leader."

Or as San Francisco guard Alex Boone said: "Am I worried about him in those situations? Not anymore."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--bill-belichick-makes-another-baffling-decision--colin-kaepernick-further-validates-niners--move-082742791.html

SAMURAITEXAN
12-20-2012, 04:09 AM
1.CK is drafted by Harbaugh. Smith isn't. CK is Harbaugh's guy.

2. Harbaugh saw something that he didn't like about Smith as their franchise QB last year

3.Harbaugh must saw something in CK last year(Predraft) and envisioned CK as their franchise QB if he pans out. CK continued to show his ability during practice and convince Harbaugh that he is a real deal and confirm Harbaugh's envision.

If there wasn't any QB Harbaugh liked in last year's draft, he is more than likely not drafting QB early.

Just a thought.

gtexan02
12-20-2012, 09:32 AM
Its pretty rare that a team has 2 QBs with 100+ QB ratings on the season. 49ers system is looking very good right now.

Smith is sitting on the bench with 8 ypa average, 70% completion rate, and great TD/INT ratio.

Maybe Harbaugh wanted to keep him out of play because he wants to go with CK longterm and wanted to make sure Alex Smith stopped while his trade value was at its peak

The Pencil Neck
12-20-2012, 01:45 PM
I'm not a huge Eli fan, but when he's on.... ouch.

The problem is when Eli is off... ouch.

This is why I don't put him in the Elite category. You have to get lucky that he gets hot at the right time. Because when he's cold, he'll kill you.

RonnieLott42
12-21-2012, 08:51 PM
Thought this was kind of interesting-
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81f54896/article/kaepernick-holds-slight-athletic-edge-over-newton-trainer-says
Chip Smith might be the only man who has spent considerable time personally working out Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick -- and he believes the Nevada quarterback is a superior athlete when compared to Auburn's Heisman Trophy winner.

"They're a lot alike in terms of being really special, and they're both extremely athletic," said Smith, founder of Duluth, Ga.-based Competitive Edge Sports. "But Colin is actually a little bit better athletically. He's a little faster -- I've clocked him as low as a 4.4 (-second runner in the 40-yard dash) -- and there isn't a quarterback in this draft who throws the ball with the velocity that Colin does. Colin is a better athlete, and he understands the game better."

Texecutioner
12-21-2012, 08:54 PM
Why is this even a debate??


Have you guys missed the fact that Smith has been one of the worst QB's in the league for years?? The guy has been a monumental bust and finally had a decent season last year. And yet, there are people acting like he has somehow been done wrong or inappropriately benched?? Alex Smith?? Lol!!

Who is next?? People being up in arms about Horton or Sanchez losing their job as a starter?

If I'm Alex Smith I say all the right things, don't make this into any more of a distraction than it has to be, and as soon as the season is over I tell the GM of the 49ers that I'm out of there and he can trade me or release me but I'm not staying. Smith can start in this league and succeed. He has been in my opinion more a victim of a revolving door of suck than anything and the last couple of years have demonstrated that he can play and play at a high level.

Don't do anything to mess up your trade value or give anyone the impression that you're not a team player but get the hell out of there as soon as the 2012 campaign is over.

Where is Smith going to go? Lol!! You actually think there would be a market for him?? Smith can't go anywhere other then to a team like the Bills or the Raiders where he can compete with other 2nd string types of QB's that are barely starting. Smith has not ever proven consistency or that he's even a top 15 QB. If you're not a top 15 type of QB, you can always be replaced. Smith will be very very lucky if there is any team that wants him as a starter. At best he'll be lucky to go to a team where he can compete for a starting job like the Jets.

RonnieLott42
01-06-2014, 04:45 AM
What a jump between the last posts and now? Who thought CK would be playing like this after his midseason issues? and who thought Alex Smith would become a "playmaker"?
I'm just happy CK played well today in Green Bay.