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rmartin65
11-19-2012, 07:16 PM
After 10 games, we have a pretty solid idea of our team’s needs, and at 9-1, there are not very many. This draft will most likely not produce more than a starter or two off the bat, but if the F/O does well, we could set up our depth for years to come. You will notice that this mock is huge- 10 picks. Our resident comp. pick expert (Dutchrudder) has stated in other threads that we should get 3 or 4, so I took the safe route. Obviously I would prefer to trade up, but I don’t predict trades. Due to this bevy of picks, I am not including any pictures or writing extremely long write-ups. If there are any questions, just post ‘em. As always, thanks for reading!

*This mock is contingent on Quin being re-signed, but Barwin walking.*

Round 1- North Carolina OG Jonathan Cooper, 6’3” 310 lbs
As much as I like the two young guys we grabbed last year (Jones and Brooks), OG still worries me. Couple that with Caldwell being a FA next year and Wade Smith being one the year after, and this pick became pretty clear. Cooper possesses excellent mobility and strength, and fits the Texans’ scheme like a glove.

Round 2- BYU OLB Ezekiel Ansah, 6’5” 270 lbs
With Barwin gone, we need someone to fill his role. Ansah is the physical freak who can fill those shoes. Honestly, just looking at athleticism, he is a top 10 talent. He runs fast, gets going in a hurry, and can turn and stop on a dime. However, I think he will be available due to the fact that he is incredibly raw, having only started playing football a couple years ago. The new OLB corps will be Reed/Mercilus/Ansah/Braman, all of which will be rotated throughout the game based on the situation on the field.

Round 3- Kent State OT Brian Winters, 6’5” 310 lbs
Winters is a little off the radar, but is a big reason why Kent State is having their best season in recent memory. He has the requisite athleticism to fit, and is technically sound. I predict he starts the season as the swing tackle.

Round 3- Louisville OC Mario Benavides, 6’4” 290 lbs
Benavides is a rough-and-tumble center prospect, who, like the other 2 OL prospects, has the athleticism this offense demands. The dude is a straight-up football player; try to catch a Louisville game if you can. You guys will be impressed.

Round 4- Washington State WR Marquess Wilson, 6’3” 185 lbs
Wilson is a 2nd round talent who drops due to poor play this past year, as well as the fact he just quit the team. His slight frame worries me, but he can stretch the stretch the field, has good hands, and can win ump balls. I was looking for a receiver with true number 1 potential without having to spend a valuable pick (because, honestly, the young receivers we have now are doing pretty well), and Wilson is that guy.

Round 5- Missouri Southern State NT Brandon Williams, 6’2” 330lbs
Our new NT. Williams reminds me a ton of BJ Raji- powerful and surprisingly quick. Although he has played against some weaker teams, he seems to live in the backfield. The other teams should be charging him rent.

Round 5- Mississippi State CB Corey Broomfield, 5’10” 180 lbs
While Banks gets all the hype, Broomfield always stands out more when I watch the Mississippi State defense. Now, he is limited at the next level due to his height and weight (I will be surprised if he actually is 5’10” 180… more like 5’8” 170 lbs), but he should be a great nickel or dime corner in the NFL. He is a true ballhawk, and flashes the ability to score when he gets the ball. Furthermore, he is a willing tackler- he is playing SS this season, and does not look out of place.

Round 6- Colorado TE Nick Kasa, 6’5” 260 lbs
The board is starting to come around to the idea of drafting a blocking TE, and I agree. Kasa is an ex OT/DE, and exhibits surprisingly good hands to boot. However, he will earn his pay primarily as a blocker.

Round 6- Cincinnati ILB Greg Blair, 6’1” 250 lbs
I bet some of you are freaking out that I waited this long for an ILB. Right? Well, it’s just the way the draft broke down for me. Anyway, Blair is a tough-nosed, run-stuffing linebacker who arrives at the ball in ill-humor. He will become a fan favorite here.

Round 7- Oregon P Jackson Rice, 6’3” 220 lbs
Big-legged punter. Boom.

Corrosion
11-19-2012, 09:52 PM
You made me happy with all the attention to the OL - especially that first pick.


Really like the 5th round pick too.

Wolf6151
11-19-2012, 10:53 PM
JMO:

1. Cooper, I love the player and appreciate the emphasis on the O-line but I think there's bigger needs to be filled in the 1st round especially with 2 young OG just taken this year and one of them, Jones, is already starting. If I went O-line in the 1st round it would have to be for a RT. A RT would improve our depth by making Newton our new swing OT with experience and we'd still have Brooks to take an OG spot or be high quality OG/RT depth.
2. Ansah, I haven't looked at the OLB's since I don't see it as a need.
3. Winters, I like the emphasis on the O-line but am not familiar with Winters at all.
3. Benavides, I've read on other sites that many consider him the best C in the draft so I have doubt that he's available this late. Also I don't see the need for another C since we just selected Jones this year to be the depth behind Meyer. 3 out of the first 4 picks on the O-line, seems a bit much.
4. Wilson, I love this pick and took him in the 2nd round a few weeks ago before he quit on the team, great value if still available. He's got really good fundamental WR skills.
5. Williams, another new name to look at, not familiar with him. I'd pick NT earlier, no later than the 3rd.
5. Broomfield, I like the player and pick, the height could be an issue if he's 5'08".
6. Kasa, I like the position chosen this late but again not familiar with the player.
6. Blair, not familiar with the player but I like the position chosen and his size for the position. Depth at ILB is a good thing. Probably plays alot of special teams as well.
7. Rice, I like it. In an era when field position is so important the ability to pin your opponent deep in their own territory is nice.

I like the emphasis on the O-line but think it's a bit to much, and you gave me some new names to look at.

Scooter
11-20-2012, 01:49 AM
drunk edit.

rmartin65
11-20-2012, 07:37 AM
Thanks for the opinions guys.

You made me happy with all the attention to the OL - especially that first pick.


Really like the 5th round pick too.

It does not matter how good your skill players are if they have no holes/time to work with.

Broomfield is a stud, glad you agree.

JMO:

1. Cooper, I love the player and appreciate the emphasis on the O-line but I think there's bigger needs to be filled in the 1st round especially with 2 young OG just taken this year and one of them, Jones, is already starting. If I went O-line in the 1st round it would have to be for a RT. A RT would improve our depth by making Newton our new swing OT with experience and we'd still have Brooks to take an OG spot or be high quality OG/RT depth.
2. Ansah, I haven't looked at the OLB's since I don't see it as a need.
3. Winters, I like the emphasis on the O-line but am not familiar with Winters at all.
3. Benavides, I've read on other sites that many consider him the best C in the draft so I have doubt that he's available this late. Also I don't see the need for another C since we just selected Jones this year to be the depth behind Meyer. 3 out of the first 4 picks on the O-line, seems a bit much.
4. Wilson, I love this pick and took him in the 2nd round a few weeks ago before he quit on the team, great value if still available. He's got really good fundamental WR skills.
5. Williams, another new name to look at, not familiar with him. I'd pick NT earlier, no later than the 3rd.
5. Broomfield, I like the player and pick, the height could be an issue if he's 5'08".
6. Kasa, I like the position chosen this late but again not familiar with the player.
6. Blair, not familiar with the player but I like the position chosen and his size for the position. Depth at ILB is a good thing. Probably plays alot of special teams as well.
7. Rice, I like it. In an era when field position is so important the ability to pin your opponent deep in their own territory is nice.

I like the emphasis on the O-line but think it's a bit to much, and you gave me some new names to look at.

1) The Cooper pick came down to a couple things. First, what players were available? Cooper was my highest ranked player that I could make a case for. Secondly, what does the depth look like/future starters? OG is iffy, as Ben Jones was a 4th, while Brooks was a 3rd who is yet to see the field. I doubt they both pan out to be starters. Cooper should become a starter, could be from day 1. What position would you go for here?

2) If Barwin leaves I think OLB absolutely becomes a need. Also, have you seen pressure from our OLBs? I dont think opposing QBs have. Ansah fits into Barwin's spot perfectly.

3) Winters is a very solid OT. I see his floor as a swing tackle, but I think he could give Newton some competition and eventually become the starter at RT.

3) I think Benavides will fall come April. He is on the smaller side, and is not a mauler. I think OC is a need, as who is really the backup? Jones is at OG.

4) Glad you agree. I worry a bit about him being here though, your thoughts about that?

5) So would I really, just none really fell to me. I felt like I would be reaching. And I figured, since we are so far away from the draft, no harm in adding a new name for some people.

5) Honestly, his size (or rather, lack thereof) is the only reason he is available this late. The dude has legit cover skills, and has a nose for the football. Just a playmaker.

6) Kasa has been impressive. He is very new to the position, but has made some big plays in addition to being a great blocker. One of the lone bright spots for Colorado this year.

6) Yep. I would have preferred to go ILB earlier, but Blair providesgood bang-for-your-buck here. After Jackson in the 3rd, I dont see a lot of difference between the linebackers.

7) Another thing to consider is that this 7th rounder makes the team. Find another guy to do that.

badboy
11-20-2012, 09:49 AM
After 10 games, we have a pretty solid idea of our team’s needs, and at 9-1, there are not very many. This draft will most likely not produce more than a starter or two off the bat, but if the F/O does well, we could set up our depth for years to come. You will notice that this mock is huge- 10 picks. Our resident comp. pick expert (Dutchrudder) has stated in other threads that we should get 3 or 4, so I took the safe route. Obviously I would prefer to trade up, but I don’t predict trades. Due to this bevy of picks, I am not including any pictures or writing extremely long write-ups. If there are any questions, just post ‘em. As always, thanks for reading!

*This mock is contingent on Quin being re-signed, but Barwin walking.*

Round 1- North Carolina OG Jonathan Cooper, 6’3” 310 lbs
As much as I like the two young guys we grabbed last year (Jones and Brooks), OG still worries me. Couple that with Caldwell being a FA next year and Wade Smith being one the year after, and this pick became pretty clear. Cooper possesses excellent mobility and strength, and fits the Texans’ scheme like a glove.

Round 2- BYU OLB Ezekiel Ansah, 6’5” 270 lbs
With Barwin gone, we need someone to fill his role. Ansah is the physical freak who can fill those shoes. Honestly, just looking at athleticism, he is a top 10 talent. He runs fast, gets going in a hurry, and can turn and stop on a dime. However, I think he will be available due to the fact that he is incredibly raw, having only started playing football a couple years ago. The new OLB corps will be Reed/Mercilus/Ansah/Braman, all of which will be rotated throughout the game based on the situation on the field.

Round 3- Kent State OT Brian Winters, 6’5” 310 lbs
Winters is a little off the radar, but is a big reason why Kent State is having their best season in recent memory. He has the requisite athleticism to fit, and is technically sound. I predict he starts the season as the swing tackle.

Round 3- Louisville OC Mario Benavides, 6’4” 290 lbs
Benavides is a rough-and-tumble center prospect, who, like the other 2 OL prospects, has the athleticism this offense demands. The dude is a straight-up football player; try to catch a Louisville game if you can. You guys will be impressed.

Round 4- Washington State WR Marquess Wilson, 6’3” 185 lbs
Wilson is a 2nd round talent who drops due to poor play this past year, as well as the fact he just quit the team. His slight frame worries me, but he can stretch the stretch the field, has good hands, and can win ump balls. I was looking for a receiver with true number 1 potential without having to spend a valuable pick (because, honestly, the young receivers we have now are doing pretty well), and Wilson is that guy.

Round 5- Missouri Southern State NT Brandon Williams, 6’2” 330lbs
Our new NT. Williams reminds me a ton of BJ Raji- powerful and surprisingly quick. Although he has played against some weaker teams, he seems to live in the backfield. The other teams should be charging him rent.

Round 5- Mississippi State CB Corey Broomfield, 5’10” 180 lbs
While Banks gets all the hype, Broomfield always stands out more when I watch the Mississippi State defense. Now, he is limited at the next level due to his height and weight (I will be surprised if he actually is 5’10” 180… more like 5’8” 170 lbs), but he should be a great nickel or dime corner in the NFL. He is a true ballhawk, and flashes the ability to score when he gets the ball. Furthermore, he is a willing tackler- he is playing SS this season, and does not look out of place.

Round 6- Colorado TE Nick Kasa, 6’5” 260 lbs
The board is starting to come around to the idea of drafting a blocking TE, and I agree. Kasa is an ex OT/DE, and exhibits surprisingly good hands to boot. However, he will earn his pay primarily as a blocker.

Round 6- Cincinnati ILB Greg Blair, 6’1” 250 lbs
I bet some of you are freaking out that I waited this long for an ILB. Right? Well, it’s just the way the draft broke down for me. Anyway, Blair is a tough-nosed, run-stuffing linebacker who arrives at the ball in ill-humor. He will become a fan favorite here.

Round 7- Oregon P Jackson Rice, 6’3” 220 lbs
Big-legged punter. Boom.Just my opinions; Cooper is good but does not beat out Jones who is getting much more playing time over Caldwell. I think Kubiak would stick with the familiarity that Newton and Jones are developing. Myers will remain as starting center who never misses games so if backup needed Jones moves and Brooks goes to RG. Based on Myers injury history,just don't see that happening. I think OG is one of the positions we will not see major movement. I am concerned about LG as Wade Smith leaves after 2013 but that can be addressed I think with a Ryan Harris type pick up or a high pick 2014 IF Brooks craps out.

2. Ansah is a great pick here and should be available. Could also play DE.

3. Benavides another good selection. May be best center now playing although Barrett Jones could be argued.

4. Don't see Ric Smith drafting a quitter but they did allow a certain udfa WR a chance to "get his head straight" even if he did not return.

5 Williams is a good back up Nose but not sure a Shaun Cody with back injuries who turns 30 this January will be back. I still see a higher pick for a Nose.

Enjoyed the read and appreciate your thoughts.

beerlover
11-20-2012, 09:57 AM
Round 1- North Carolina OG Jonathan Cooper, 6’3” 310 lbs
As much as I like the two young guys we grabbed last year (Jones and Brooks), OG still worries me. Couple that with Caldwell being a FA next year and Wade Smith being one the year after, and this pick became pretty clear. Cooper possesses excellent mobility and strength, and fits the Texans’ scheme like a glove.

this would certainly open the door for Caldwell to leave via free agency. I don't feel however it is nesseccary for a ZBS team to spend a first round pick on a guard.


Round 2- BYU OLB Ezekiel Ansah, 6’5” 270 lbs
With Barwin gone, we need someone to fill his role. Ansah is the physical freak who can fill those shoes. Honestly, just looking at athleticism, he is a top 10 talent. He runs fast, gets going in a hurry, and can turn and stop on a dime. However, I think he will be available due to the fact that he is incredibly raw, having only started playing football a couple years ago. The new OLB corps will be Reed/Mercilus/Ansah/Braman, all of which will be rotated throughout the game based on the situation on the field.

projecting Barwin gone? wouldn't that mean Mercilus evolves into starter role? I have only watched Ansah a couple times but he is not consistent, flashes of greatness & promise like Dion Jordan but doubt he walks into camp & beats out last year first rounder Whitney who has had luxury to develop & learn Wade Phillips system.

Round 3- Kent State OT Brian Winters, 6’5” 310 lbs
Winters is a little off the radar, but is a big reason why Kent State is having their best season in recent memory. He has the requisite athleticism to fit, and is technically sound. I predict he starts the season as the swing tackle.

I like this pick a lot more than Cooper in the first. Doubt he needs to start with Brown entrenched & Newton going into year three. Allows Texans to move on post Butler as swing tackle.

Round 3- Louisville OC Mario Benavides, 6’4” 290 lbs
Benavides is a rough-and-tumble center prospect, who, like the other 2 OL prospects, has the athleticism this offense demands. The dude is a straight-up football player; try to catch a Louisville game if you can. You guys will be impressed.

I could go for another guard/center prospect to keep Jones working hard add depth & good young OL to develop. Combination of two promising OL in the third is still almost a luxury, but this is a good spot to add value & depth in much needed team need keeping salary cap balance moving forward.

Round 4- Washington State WR Marquess Wilson, 6’3” 185 lbs
Wilson is a 2nd round talent who drops due to poor play this past year, as well as the fact he just quit the team. His slight frame worries me, but he can stretch the stretch the field, has good hands, and can win ump balls. I was looking for a receiver with true number 1 potential without having to spend a valuable pick (because, honestly, the young receivers we have now are doing pretty well), and Wilson is that guy.

What a bizarre season this young man has had. He is a fine receiver prospect to be sure but will have to answer tough questions, probably off Texans draft board because he quite his team & threw coaching staff under the bus even if he felt it necessary I'm not sure how they can trust him moving forward. Throw in Duke WR Vernon Conner here & it's money.

Round 5- Missouri Southern State NT Brandon Williams, 6’2” 330lbs
Our new NT. Williams reminds me a ton of BJ Raji- powerful and surprisingly quick. Although he has played against some weaker teams, he seems to live in the backfield. The other teams should be charging him rent.

If he lasts this long, it would be a great pick for Texans who need more beef to run this 3-4 in all its glory. Mitchell has done well in Cody's absence but is getting man handled @ times. What they need is someone who is powerful that can stay on his feet in trash, maybe Brandon could be that guy.

Round 5- Mississippi State CB Corey Broomfield, 5’10” 180 lbs
While Banks gets all the hype, Broomfield always stands out more when I watch the Mississippi State defense. Now, he is limited at the next level due to his height and weight (I will be surprised if he actually is 5’10” 180… more like 5’8” 170 lbs), but he should be a great nickel or dime corner in the NFL. He is a true ballhawk, and flashes the ability to score when he gets the ball. Furthermore, he is a willing tackler- he is playing SS this season, and does not look out of place.

This is a solid pick, in fact why not move up a little using Tate to get Banks in the first as well? The secondary would be deep & talented. Also if Vance Joseph leaves to become a defensive coordinator their defensive backs coach, Melvin Smith who has some Texas A&M connections.


Round 6- Colorado TE Nick Kasa, 6’5” 260 lbs
The board is starting to come around to the idea of drafting a blocking TE, and I agree. Kasa is an ex OT/DE, and exhibits surprisingly good hands to boot. However, he will earn his pay primarily as a blocker.

Inline blocking TE a must. Tackles, especially Newton could use more shading to help in pass pro & Schaub needs to keep clean, can't afford to lose him now. Colorado is miserable, I commend you if you've watched him play as I have not but trust your evaluation. Love Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz & would use that 2nd rd. pick on him instead making this a slot for a developmental OLB.

Round 6- Cincinnati ILB Greg Blair, 6’1” 250 lbs
I bet some of you are freaking out that I waited this long for an ILB. Right? Well, it’s just the way the draft broke down for me. Anyway, Blair is a tough-nosed, run-stuffing linebacker who arrives at the ball in ill-humor. He will become a fan favorite here.

Great value, Cushing does come back, meaner than ever & Bradie James/Dobbins are solid so this makes a lot of sense waiting for later & drafting a diamond in the rough.

Round 7- Oregon P Jackson Rice, 6’3” 220 lbs
Big-legged punter. Boom.

Great pick, goes a little unnoticed because he doesn't have to punt that much. Also experienced in-climate weather conditions & high pressure games.

There are some real gems you have here. I made some tweeks with first couple picks & fourth that would make this one killer but that's what Amigos do.

:wesmantexanfan:

76Texan
11-20-2012, 11:03 AM
Mad props to all of our resident draft enthusiasts. I always rely on you guys. Keep up the good work.

BTW, anybody heard of the TE from Texas St ?

I read that he's a good blocking TE at 260 and can also catch the ball.
Is he draftable or worth a look as an UDFA?

The only game tape I can find of him is when he was a Juco at Navaro

rmartin65
11-20-2012, 11:26 AM
Just my opinions; Cooper is good but does not beat out Jones who is getting much more playing time over Caldwell. I think Kubiak would stick with the familiarity that Newton and Jones are developing. Myers will remain as starting center who never misses games so if backup needed Jones moves and Brooks goes to RG. Based on Myers injury history,just don't see that happening. I think OG is one of the positions we will not see major movement. I am concerned about LG as Wade Smith leaves after 2013 but that can be addressed I think with a Ryan Harris type pick up or a high pick 2014 IF Brooks craps out.

2. Ansah is a great pick here and should be available. Could also play DE.

3. Benavides another good selection. May be best center now playing although Barrett Jones could be argued.

4. Don't see Ric Smith drafting a quitter but they did allow a certain udfa WR a chance to "get his head straight" even if he did not return.

5 Williams is a good back up Nose but not sure a Shaun Cody with back injuries who turns 30 this January will be back. I still see a higher pick for a Nose.

Enjoyed the read and appreciate your thoughts.

You like Jones over Cooper? I just dont see that. Jones can be a dirty starter in the NFL, while I think Cooper has Pro Bowl potential. I have rarely seen such agility from an interior offensive lineman.

As for Wilson, I think there are exigent circumstances involved. According to him, the WSU coaching staff was abusive. I suspect NFL teams will do an in depth look into these allegations.

Thanks for your thoughts.

this would certainly open the door for Caldwell to leave via free agency. I don't feel however it is nesseccary for a ZBS team to spend a first round pick on a guard.



projecting Barwin gone? wouldn't that mean Mercilus evolves into starter role? I have only watched Ansah a couple times but he is not consistent, flashes of greatness & promise like Dion Jordan but doubt he walks into camp & beats out last year first rounder Whitney who has had luxury to develop & learn Wade Phillips system.



I like this pick a lot more than Cooper in the first. Doubt he needs to start with Brown entrenched & Newton going into year three. Allows Texans to move on post Butler as swing tackle.



I could go for another guard/center prospect to keep Jones working hard add depth & good young OL to develop. Combination of two promising OL in the third is still almost a luxury, but this is a good spot to add value & depth in much needed team need keeping salary cap balance moving forward.



What a bizarre season this young man has had. He is a fine receiver prospect to be sure but will have to answer tough questions, probably off Texans draft board because he quite his team & threw coaching staff under the bus even if he felt it necessary I'm not sure how they can trust him moving forward. Throw in Duke WR Vernon Conner here & it's money.



If he lasts this long, it would be a great pick for Texans who need more beef to run this 3-4 in all its glory. Mitchell has done well in Cody's absence but is getting man handled @ times. What they need is someone who is powerful that can stay on his feet in trash, maybe Brandon could be that guy.



This is a solid pick, in fact why not move up a little using Tate to get Banks in the first as well? The secondary would be deep & talented. Also if Vance Joseph leaves to become a defensive coordinator their defensive backs coach, Melvin Smith who has some Texas A&M connections.

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Inline blocking TE a must. Tackles, especially Newton could use more shading to help in pass pro & Schaub needs to keep clean, can't afford to lose him now. Colorado is miserable, I commend you if you've watched him play as I have not but trust your evaluation. Love Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz & would use that 2nd rd. pick on him instead making this a slot for a developmental OLB.



Great value, Cushing does come back, meaner than ever & Bradie James/Dobbins are solid so this makes a lot of sense waiting for later & drafting a diamond in the rough.



Great pick, goes a little unnoticed because he doesn't have to punt that much. Also experienced in-climate weather conditions & high pressure games.

There are some real gems you have here. I made some tweeks with first couple picks & fourth that would make this one killer but that's what Amigos do.

:wesmantexanfan:

Thanks for chiming in BL.

I think Cooper will have more impact than anyone else available at 32. Like I said above- If there are no holes/time for the offense, then the skill players cant do anything. By building the line, we are upgrading both the line and the skill positions.

I think Ansah would follow the same pattern as Mercilus- spot duty this year, then push for a starting spot the next. Ansah's ceiling is much, much higher than Mercilus'.

I like Connor Vernon, but I dont think he has number 1 potential. We have a lot of 2's and 3's on the roster already, we need to start trying to find someone who can be THE guy once AJ is gone.

If we trade up using Tate, we should probably spend a late pick on a RB. I am not opposed to to the idea at all.

You know how much a fan of Fiedo I am. I would have no qualms about doing a switcheroo, but this early in the draft season it is more interesting (to me, at least) to throw out some new names.

badboy
11-20-2012, 03:22 PM
65, Cooper is good and he is powerful enough for ZBS but Jones as I posted has a year in the system next to Myers & Newton that counts for a lot. Also, our Oline does not miss many snaps due to injury with exception of Caldwell. Like BL, I just cannot see going OL in first unless Matthews or Barett Jones (plays all positions) drops.

First I've heard about staff abuse but we know that happens.

I agree with you on Ansah being better than Mercilus in long run and we have only to look at most recent draft of Mercilus to add to rotation. If Barwin leaves (and I'm glad to see you considering that)we know Texans could use #1 on OLB let alone a second rounder.

Wolf6151
11-21-2012, 02:45 AM
Thanks for the opinions guys.

1) The Cooper pick came down to a couple things. First, what players were available? Cooper was my highest ranked player that I could make a case for. Secondly, what does the depth look like/future starters? OG is iffy, as Ben Jones was a 4th, while Brooks was a 3rd who is yet to see the field. I doubt they both pan out to be starters. Cooper should become a starter, could be from day 1. What position would you go for here?

2) If Barwin leaves I think OLB absolutely becomes a need. Also, have you seen pressure from our OLBs? I dont think opposing QBs have. Ansah fits into Barwin's spot perfectly.

3) Winters is a very solid OT. I see his floor as a swing tackle, but I think he could give Newton some competition and eventually become the starter at RT.

3) I think Benavides will fall come April. He is on the smaller side, and is not a mauler. I think OC is a need, as who is really the backup? Jones is at OG.

4) Glad you agree. I worry a bit about him being here though, your thoughts about that?

5) So would I really, just none really fell to me. I felt like I would be reaching. And I figured, since we are so far away from the draft, no harm in adding a new name for some people.

5) Honestly, his size (or rather, lack thereof) is the only reason he is available this late. The dude has legit cover skills, and has a nose for the football. Just a playmaker.

6) Kasa has been impressive. He is very new to the position, but has made some big plays in addition to being a great blocker. One of the lone bright spots for Colorado this year.

6) Yep. I would have preferred to go ILB earlier, but Blair providesgood bang-for-your-buck here. After Jackson in the 3rd, I dont see a lot of difference between the linebackers.

7) Another thing to consider is that this 7th rounder makes the team. Find another guy to do that.


1. I agree that Cooper would be a stud at OG for the Texans and possible pro bowler, I just think that there's a bigger need at RT, and that RG at least is relatively easily replaced and not worth a 1st round pick. He could step in right away and replace W. Smith at LG but we've got him relatively inexpensively for another year and I don't see the Texans making that many O-line moves. I think a very good OG and/or RT can be had in the 2nd round. I'd spend that 1st round pick at DT/NT, and luckily there are several in next years draft that fit our system and are considered 1st round pick worthy.

2. If Barwin leaves then yes OLB becomes a need, but I just haven't considered that option yet. We've already got Mercilus anyway.

3. I'd have no problem with a 3rd round OT to compete at RT and have Xavier Nixon-OT in the 3rd round of my latest mocks.

3b. I don't see a need for backup C, Jones can be the starting RG and backup C at the same time. If Meyer were hurt I'd rather move my RG who's been in the game and has experience and a feel for the game to the most important O-line position than to bring in a guy from the bench who's cold. I'd go for a ILB, CB, or WR here.

4. I love Wilson's fundamentals and think that he could fall to the 4th now. I've heard he was cut from the team and I've heard that he quit but have not heard why. Abusive is to broad of a term and means different thing to everyone. NFL teams will find out the details and decide for themselves. The interview process will be VERY important for him at the Combine. If his problem at WSU is an attitude then he could fall a long ways.

5. When I first saw Brandon Williams name I thought oh hell another Williams candidate at NT to go along with Sylvester and Jesse. I don't know anything about him and see this as a 1st round pick to me. I like Kawaan Short, Sylvester, and Jesse Williams.

5b. I like Broomfield but if his size gets in the way have you looked at Johnny Adams from Mich. St.. I think he's got good quickness and athleticism that Vance Joseph could coach up.

6. I'm not familiar with Kasa at all, but with all the extra picks a good blocking TE isn't a bad idea.

6b. I'm not familiar with Blair either but agree the depth at ILB isn't all that good next year.

7. I like the idea of a P late in the draft, competition for Jones, and field position is so important. No one thinks P is important until they see Anger from Jacksonville booming balls deep in our territory and then realize the importance of a good P and field position. I like Quinn Sharp who doubles as a K as well.

Corrosion
11-21-2012, 03:38 AM
1. I agree that Cooper would be a stud at OG for the Texans and possible pro bowler, I just think that there's a bigger need at RT, and that RG at least is relatively easily replaced and not worth a 1st round pick. He could step in right away and replace W. Smith at LG but we've got him relatively inexpensively for another year and I don't see the Texans making that many O-line moves. I think a very good OG and/or RT can be had in the 2nd round. I'd spend that 1st round pick at DT/NT, and luckily there are several in next years draft that fit our system and are considered 1st round pick worthy.



RG or RT .... I dont know who's missed more , Winston or Briesel. Those guy's were significantly better than Caldwell & Newton in the run game tho since Jones took that position , things seem a "little" better but not better enough.



Newton , Im just not sold on .... He does a solid job in pass protection but he does get a lot of help in that aspect by the playcalling with all the play action , an assist from TE's & Casey .... Ive seen Walter chip a DE on occasion too.

I cant make up my mind on the RT / RG arguement. I think in the coming draft it needs to be one or the other early and a developmental player at the opposite position later.


Wouldnt mind a NT but the top tier will be long gone by the time the Texans pick in the first round and there are several guy's in that second group that are relatively close in terms of talent. I think you get more value at the position later in the draft , maybe make a move up to the middle of the 3rd round.

beerlover
11-21-2012, 09:22 AM
Thanks for chiming in BL.

I think Cooper will have more impact than anyone else available at 32. Like I said above- If there are no holes/time for the offense, then the skill players cant do anything. By building the line, we are upgrading both the line and the skill positions.

I think Ansah would follow the same pattern as Mercilus- spot duty this year, then push for a starting spot the next. Ansah's ceiling is much, much higher than Mercilus'.

I like Connor Vernon, but I dont think he has number 1 potential. We have a lot of 2's and 3's on the roster already, we need to start trying to find someone who can be THE guy once AJ is gone.

If we trade up using Tate, we should probably spend a late pick on a RB. I am not opposed to to the idea at all.

You know how much a fan of Fiedo I am. I would have no qualms about doing a switcheroo, but this early in the draft season it is more interesting (to me, at least) to throw out some new names.

Tried to grasp my arms around Coop (reminds me of Newton) so how different are they really (Texans drafted Newton in 7th #214 overall)? Newton could be heck of a RG too, with proven NFL RT experience & development. I would be more than willing to reach a little @ OT to upgrade edge w/bellcow tackle, Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin.

In regards to drafting another high ceiling developmental OLB I just can't buy that either after working through last years draft & taking Mercilus in the first. I understand your mock is contingent on Barwin walking but on what grounds? His contract worth has dropped based on production to the cap value Texans can stomach & Connor would be wise to accept, re-opens second.

Is it reasonable to expect a #1 WR later in the draft especially end of the 4th rd.? The player must have something significant that drops his stock, including baggage, to give 31 NFL teams to pass him by 140 picks or whatever, plus to replace Andre is going to be very difficult anyway with all the pressure & comparisons. If you want a #1 your best bet is the first rd. maybe trade up or just get damn lucky. Vernon is not a #1 but he is more than capable set of new hands to help solidify a bunch of unproven WR's, hint, hint.

Other than that love your picks & insight in player evaluation. :specnatz:

thunderkyss
11-21-2012, 09:34 AM
2. If Barwin leaves then yes OLB becomes a need, but I just haven't considered that option yet. We've already got Mercilus anyway.


Brooks Reed isn't exactly lighting it up either. I'm hoping Mercilus continues to develop & becomes a force next season. But until he does, I think we need to look at OLB as a need.

Drafting a threat from that position gives us two eggs in the outside pass rush basket, Mercilus & the new guy. If one pays off great. If they both pay off, we'll be back to back Super Bowl Champions.

rmartin65
11-21-2012, 09:42 AM
Tried to grasp my arms around Coop (reminds me of Newton) so how different are they really (Texans drafted Newton in 7th #214 overall)? Newton could be heck of a RG too, with proven NFL RT experience & development. I would be more than willing to reach a little @ OT to upgrade edge w/bellcow tackle, Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin.

In regards to drafting another high ceiling developmental OLB I just can't buy that either after working through last years draft & taking Mercilus in the first. I understand your mock is contingent on Barwin walking but on what grounds? His contract worth has dropped based on production to the cap value Texans can stomach & Connor would be wise to accept, re-opens second.

Is it reasonable to expect a #1 WR later in the draft especially end of the 4th rd.? The player must have something significant that drops his stock, including baggage, to give 31 NFL teams to pass him by 140 picks or whatever, plus to replace Andre is going to be very difficult anyway with all the pressure & comparisons. If you want a #1 your best bet is the first rd. maybe trade up or just get damn lucky. Vernon is not a #1 but he is more than capable set of new hands to help solidify a bunch of unproven WR's, hint, hint.

Other than that love your picks & insight in player evaluation. :specnatz:

I dont know about Newton at RG- 6'6" is pretty tall for an interior lineman.

I get what you are saying about WR though, I really do. I am not expecting Wilson to become a number 1, just that I believe he has a better chance to do so than others available. Vernon is an interesting prospect. Those who dont watch Duke see that he is a 6'1" white kid playing receiver, and assume that he is a possession receiver without any explosive attributes. This could not be farther from the truth. He has very good acceleration, and his long speed is underrated. Now, I dont know how much he actually brings to the WR corps. I dont know if he stands out from the pack.

badboy
11-21-2012, 09:51 AM
RG or RT .... I dont know who's missed more , Winston or Briesel. Those guy's were significantly better than Caldwell & Newton in the run game tho since Jones took that position , things seem a "little" better but not better enough.



Newton , Im just not sold on .... He does a solid job in pass protection but he does get a lot of help in that aspect by the playcalling with all the play action , an assist from TE's & Casey .... Ive seen Walter chip a DE on occasion too.

I cant make up my mind on the RT / RG arguement. I think in the coming draft it needs to be one or the other early and a developmental player at the opposite position later.


Wouldnt mind a NT but the top tier will be long gone by the time the Texans pick in the first round and there are several guy's in that second group that are relatively close in terms of talent. I think you get more value at the position later in the draft , maybe make a move up to the middle of the 3rd round.On the Nose we are not looking for value, we should be looking at a starter as Cody should be gone. His back is an issue with his age and he is beginning to get nicked up(or worse) every game. That is a crazy position of abuse.

Rey
11-21-2012, 10:03 AM
I think our first round pick will be OLB, NT, ILB or CB. In no particular order.

I don't know if they bring McCain back and with Joseph having injury issues they may want to invest in a good corner that can play some nickel and be a starter just in case.

I don't know if Barwin comes back and really I see OLB as a need regardless. ILB for obvious reasons although it's not as glaring a hole as it was earlier but still worth consideration.

And NT. Cody has been banged up a bunch . A true stud in the middle, much like a true stud at OLB would go a long way to making this defense more than just good.


I don't see OG because of Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks. They aren't going to make both of those guys back ups which is essentially what they'd be doing. I think they'll re-sign Caldwell too. I also don't see OT in the first...maybe the 2nd or third. I think they like Newton. He's young, has upside and should continue to get better.

I also don't see WR in the first unless you trade up for what you think is a stud or if one falls to you. Otherwise, I think they roll with Martin, Jean and Posey as their receiving corps of the future.

badboy
11-21-2012, 10:05 AM
I dont know about Newton at RG- 6'6" is pretty tall for an interior lineman.

I get what you are saying about WR though, I really do. I am not expecting Wilson to become a number 1, just that I believe he has a better chance to do so than others available. Vernon is an interesting prospect. Those who dont watch Duke see that he is a 6'1" white kid playing receiver, and assume that he is a possession receiver without any explosive attributes. This could not be farther from the truth. He has very good acceleration, and his long speed is underrated. Now, I dont know how much he actually brings to the WR corps. I dont know if he stands out from the pack.Going to agree with BL on WR; do we really need to add to the "pack"? I don't see any WR being eliminate from roster, even Jean who at least gets on field as a WR.lol

If you want an upgrade, going to have to be first round my opinion. If Kubes hung on to Brandon Harris and others this long, he will do same for Posier. Martin is earning his check so only Jean is one to beat out.

rmartin65
11-21-2012, 10:09 AM
I think our first round pick will be OLB, NT, ILB or CB. In no particular order.

I don't know if they bring McCain back and with Joseph having injury issues they may want to invest in a good corner that can play some nickel and be a starter just in case.

I don't know if Barwin comes back and really I see OLB as a need regardless. ILB for obvious reasons although it's not as glaring a hole as it was earlier but still worth consideration.

And NT. Cody has been banged up a bunch . A true stud in the middle, much like a true stud at OLB would go a long way to making this defense more than just good.


I don't see OG because of Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks. They aren't going to make both of those guys back ups which is essentially what they'd be doing. I think they'll re-sign Caldwell too. I also don't see OT in the first...maybe the 2nd or third. I think they like Newton. He's young, has upside and should continue to get better.

I also don't see WR in the first unless you trade up for what you think is a stud or if one falls to you. Otherwise, I think they roll with Martin, Jean and Posey as their receiving corps of the future.

Ideally, yes, grabbing an ILB, NT, CB or OLB in the first is ideal. But I am a firm believer in BPA. I dont like reaching for a lesser play, just because it fills an organizational hole. Cooper is the best player available at 32.

As far as OG- has Brooks even seen the field yet? Dont get me wrong, I like the pick and think he has a lot of potential, but I am not putting eggs in his basket. Jones was a 4th round pick. He has looked good... but hardly great.

Rey
11-21-2012, 10:26 AM
Ideally, yes, grabbing an ILB, NT, CB or OLB in the first is ideal. But I am a firm believer in BPA. I dont like reaching for a lesser play, just because it fills an organizational hole. Cooper is the best player available at 32.

That's debatable.

"Reaches" aren't that big of a deal IMO outside of the top ten. Look at Seattle last year taking Irvin. Some people thought we reached on JJ Watt. Now people are saying he should have been taken higher.

I don't think you should base picks so much on who you think will be reaches, but base it on who you think is talented and can help the team. BPA is overrated by people outside of the top 10. And even in the top ten it's debatable sometimes. At pick #32 is shouldn't even enter the discussion IMO.


As far as OG- has Brooks even seen the field yet? Dont get me wrong, I like the pick and think he has a lot of potential, but I am not putting eggs in his basket. Jones was a 4th round pick. He has looked good... but hardly great.

Brooks and Jones are Rookies. I just don't believe they are going to make those type of investment in players and then basically relegate them to back up duty after their rookie year. Even Caldwell got his chance to start.

And Brooks has a ton of potential. I believe they see him as a future starter next to Duane Brown.

rmartin65
11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
That's debatable.

"Reaches" aren't that big of a deal IMO outside of the top ten. Look at Seattle last year taking Irvin. Some people thought we reached on JJ Watt. Now people are saying he should have been taken higher.

I don't think you should base picks so much on who you think will be reaches, but base it on who you think is talented and can help the team. BPA is overrated by people outside of the top 10. And even in the top ten it's debatable sometimes. At pick #32 is shouldn't even enter the discussion IMO.
Brooks and Jones are Rookies. I just don't believe they are going to make those type of investment in players and then basically relegate them to back up duty after their rookie year. Even Caldwell got his chance to start

And Brooks has a ton of potential. I believe they see him as a future starter next to Duane Brown.

To be fair, I was on the Watt bandwagon. Irvin... yea, it appears I missed there. Aldon Smith too, I thought he would be no more than a 8-10 sack 3rd down specialist.

So we agree on Brooks. No problem there. But Jones was a 4th rounder. Sure mid and late round picks turn out, but that late in the draft you are not thinking "starter". You are thinking depth player, potential injury starter. I think the future OL (based on the mock) looks like Brown/Cooper/Myers/Brooks/Winters. I feel a lot better with that compared to Brown/Jones/Myers/Brooks/Newton.

beerlover
11-21-2012, 01:40 PM
To be fair, I was on the Watt bandwagon. Irvin... yea, it appears I missed there. Aldon Smith too, I thought he would be no more than a 8-10 sack 3rd down specialist.

So we agree on Brooks. No problem there. But Jones was a 4th rounder. Sure mid and late round picks turn out, but that late in the draft you are not thinking "starter". You are thinking depth player, potential injury starter. I think the future OL (based on the mock) looks like Brown/Cooper/Myers/Brooks/Winters. I feel a lot better with that compared to Brown/Jones/Myers/Brooks/Newton.

ties up p a boatload of cap space OL side of the cap equation, that is what I'm saying which seems a bit out of Texans character. I mean look what Texans have done will less expensive & lower draft picks, with exception of Duane Brown who is this franchise LT.

Really doubt Barwin is going to cost even what the Texans offered him last off season. However Texans will offer him the opportunity to be set for life which should sway his decision this time around.

I feel everybody on this board has been too hard on our OLB production. Funny time & place to voice this personal complaint but sure 65 won't mind. I have a theory, call it the "Cushing Effect" everybody has had to be more responsible & accountable for assignments each area of the field as compensation because Cushing is not there wrecking havoc or having their backs. So instead of pinning their ears back, hell bent after the QB they have to step back a little read the play & react to what the offense is doing more. Those split seconds count for something, they're called sacks. I also see a much higher ceiling than most for Mercilus, they have really been careful bringing him along, hopefully they remove his training harness & let him do his thing which is get after the QB then all this nonsense of drafting back to back OLB first/second day will be put to bed :rant:

badboy
11-21-2012, 03:38 PM
ties up p a boatload of cap space OL side of the cap equation, that is what I'm saying which seems a bit out of Texans character. I mean look what Texans have done will less expensive & lower draft picks, with exception of Duane Brown who is this franchise LT.

Really doubt Barwin is going to cost even what the Texans offered him last off season. However Texans will offer him the opportunity to be set for life which should sway his decision this time around.

I feel everybody on this board has been too hard on our OLB production. Funny time & place to voice this personal complaint but sure 65 won't mind. I have a theory, call it the "Cushing Effect" everybody has had to be more responsible & accountable for assignments each area of the field as compensation because Cushing is not there wrecking havoc or having their backs. So instead of pinning their ears back, hell bent after the QB they have to step back a little read the play & react to what the offense is doing more. Those split seconds count for something, they're called sacks. I also see a much higher ceiling than most for Mercilus, they have really been careful bringing him along, hopefully they remove his training harness & let him do his thing which is get after the QB then all this nonsense of drafting back to back OLB first/second day will be put to bed :rant:If Barwin does leave, what will be different next draft than last draft when they used a first on Mercy? Instead of Barwin and Reed. It would be Mercilus and Reed with Mercy having only one year & Barwin more. With a less seasoned OLB corps would it not make even more sense to draft an OLB again?

Wolf6151
11-22-2012, 01:35 AM
I cant make up my mind on the RT / RG arguement. I think in the coming draft it needs to be one or the other early and a developmental player at the opposite position later.


Wouldnt mind a NT but the top tier will be long gone by the time the Texans pick in the first round and there are several guy's in that second group that are relatively close in terms of talent. I think you get more value at the position later in the draft , maybe make a move up to the middle of the 3rd round.

I agree with your bolded section, RT or RG confuse me as well. I keep flopping back and forth on the replacement of Newton at RT, but BB pointed out to me in a PM that Newton has only given up 3 sacks and 6 penalties this season and that's pretty damn good for a guy in only his 2nd season and first year really playing. Jones and Newton both show potential for the future along with Brooks but the hard part for us all is being patient while waiting for their development. We expect replacements to step in and be better than Brisiel and Winston but it doesn't work that way, they need time to learn. I know it's hard to be patient.
As for OLB I don't think it's a 1st round need even if we lose Barwin in FA, which I really hope doesn't happen. I think Reed and Barwin are doing a good job, sacks aren't the only measure of an OLB. Both of them set the edge against the run and direct the run to the middle of the D-line very well, all the more reason to get better at NT. We drafted Merci as insurance against losing Barwin because Barwin was in the last year of his contract. If we lose Barwin, OLB is not a 1st round need because neither Reed or Merci are going to be a FA at the end of next season, thus no need for insurance against them leaving.
I think our 1st round pick will most likely be at NT or CB if a really good CB falls to us, doubtful. I think Cody will be gone at the end of the season which leaves a huge hole in the D-line which Mitchell is not prepared to fill by himself. I think the early rounds of the draft go something like this: JMO...
1. NT or CB.
2. WR
3. OT/OG, a guy like Wagner that can most likely play both.
3b. ILB

Corrosion
11-22-2012, 01:51 AM
I agree with your bolded section, RT or RG confuse me as well. I keep flopping back and forth on the replacement of Newton at RT, but BB pointed out to me in a PM that Newton has only given up 3 sacks and 6 penalties this season and that's pretty damn good for a guy in only his 2nd season and first year really playing.

I pretty much agree with BL's assessment of Newton playing rather well for a guy in only his second season as a late round pick.

He blocks well in space and does a really good job when he gets in space. My only issue is that he doesnt get a whole lot of push in the trenches ... and thats big considering how much of the Texans offense goes thru the run game and play action.





As for OLB I don't think it's a 1st round need even if we lose Barwin in FA, which I really hope doesn't happen. I think Reed and Barwin are doing a good job, sacks aren't the only measure of an OLB. Both of them set the edge against the run and direct the run to the middle of the D-line very well, all the more reason to get better at NT. We drafted Merci as insurance against losing Barwin because Barwin was in the last year of his contract. If we lose Barwin, OLB is not a 1st round need because neither Reed or Merci are going to be a FA at the end of next season, thus no need for insurance against them leaving.

This is a good point and I pretty much agree with it but if a guy falls to them that they have rated highly , I could see them taking an OLB.


I think our 1st round pick will most likely be at NT or CB if a really good CB falls to us, doubtful. I think Cody will be gone at the end of the season which leaves a huge hole in the D-line which Mitchell is not prepared to fill by himself. I think the early rounds of the draft go something like this: JMO...

I can see a scenario where they take a combination of NT/CB in the forst two rounds, isnt McCain a FA too ?

1. NT or CB.
2. WR
3. OT/OG, a guy like Wagner that can most likely play both.
3b. ILB

Not feeling the WR pick , hard to imagine a guy they get that far down is going to take a roster spot from one of the current group of recievers.
If they do take a reciever that high , one of Walter or Jean is gone.

Wolf6151
11-22-2012, 02:09 AM
I can see a scenario where they take a combination of NT/CB in the forst two rounds, isnt McCain a FA too ?



Not feeling the WR pick , hard to imagine a guy they get that far down is going to take a roster spot from one of the current group of recievers.
If they do take a reciever that high , one of Walter or Jean is gone.


McCain will be a FA as well and I think he's gone, even average CB's are expensive. I could see NT/CB in the first 2 rounds as well and wouldn't be upset by it. I think it all depends on how many 2nd round picks we end up with. Like BB has mentioned, I'd like to see Rick trading up for extra 2nd round picks, using Tate and our own picks since we should have alot of comp. picks.

We disagree on WR. I can see a 2nd round WR taking a roster spot from either Jean, Posey, or possibly Walter. Jean has had 2 yrs. and proven nothing yet, Posey has done nothing and could be fighting for a roster spot next training camp, and depending on a training camp assessment of the WR corp Walter could possibly be fighting for a spot as well.

mussop
11-22-2012, 08:46 AM
I agree with you on Ansah being better than Mercilus in long run and we have only to look at most recent draft of Mercilus to add to rotation. If Barwin leaves (and I'm glad to see you considering that)we know Texans could use #1 on OLB let alone a second rounder.

Don't know about being better than Mercilus in the long run. (What makes you say that?) but if you want Ansah you are going to have to spend a 1st. He will shoot up the draft boards at the combine. He has a rare combination of size, speed and agility. He weights 270 and has run an 11 sec 100 meter. Still don't see him as just an edge rusher.

He plays all over the line at oregon. He is more a mix of JJ Watt and Mercilous. His style reminds me alot of Watt's. He gets off the line really fast and gets his long arms extended into the OL with a good jolt and when he sheds he doesn't loose ground, he does it with explosion and exceleration. When he shoots gaps he knows how to get skinny and get through the gap. He is very good in the open field because of his speed. What makes all this even more impressive is the fact that he has only been playing football for a couple of years.

He would be a very valuable player to have for this particular defense because of his versatility.

rmartin65
11-22-2012, 08:57 AM
Don't know about being better than Mercilus in the long run. (What makes you say that?) but if you want Ansah you are going to have to spend a 1st. He will shoot up the draft boards at the combine. He has a rare combination of size, speed and agility. He weights 270 and has run an 11 sec 100 meter. Still don't see him as just an edge rusher.

He plays all over the line at oregon. He is more a mix of JJ Watt and Mercilous. His style reminds me alot of Watt's. He gets off the line really fast and gets his long arms extended into the OL with a good jolt and when he sheds he doesn't loose ground, he does it with explosion and exceleration. When he shoots gaps he knows how to get skinny and get through the gap. He is very good in the open field because of his speed. What makes all this even more impressive is the fact that he has only been playing football for a couple of years.

He would be a very valuable player to have for this particular defense because of his versatility.

Ansah plays at BYU. Jordan plays at Oregon.

Anyway, I dont know if Ansah goes in the first. Everything you said (whether you are talking Ansah or Jordan) is correct on Ansah- he is a physical freak, and plays all over the field. However, he wont make much of an impact his first year. He is a project, just look at his technique- it has a long way to go. Plus, there are some other DE/OLBs that, while they have a lower ceiling, have a higher floor.

That said, it only takes one team to fall in love with his measurables.

steelbtexan
11-22-2012, 11:27 AM
Ansah has JPP ability, if he falls I would take him. However if a WR like Patterson fell to #32 taking him would be a no brainer.

Like your mock, OL would be set for yrs. I'm for drafting a RT before an OT/OG like Cooper, if Cooper was BPA I would take him. He's going to be a 10 yr starter. I've got a feeling that 1 of these 3 will be available late in the 1st.

Tell me your thoughts on Eric Fisher, he maybe availabe at 64. he an intriging RT prospect. A big guy who moves well and is light on his feet. He does need to improve his strength, but he has the frame to add strength and LBS. Perfect fit for the ZBS.

mussop
11-22-2012, 11:34 AM
Ansah plays at BYU. Jordan plays at Oregon.

Anyway, I dont know if Ansah goes in the first. Everything you said (whether you are talking Ansah or Jordan) is correct on Ansah- he is a physical freak, and plays all over the field. However, he wont make much of an impact his first year. He is a project, just look at his technique- it has a long way to go. Plus, there are some other DE/OLBs that, while they have a lower ceiling, have a higher floor.

That said, it only takes one team to fall in love with his measurables.

I meant BYU. Mercilus fell to us because teams feared the one year wonder tag. That will work against Ansah also. I just hope it keeps him on the board till we pick at 32. :kingkong: He is perfect for this defense. I look at his technique and I am amazed that he has only been playing for two years. He is very aware of not loosing contain when it's his responsibility. When he is told to pin his ears back and get after the QB he is nearly unstoppable.

Rey
11-22-2012, 01:07 PM
I meant BYU. Mercilus fell to us because teams feared the one year wonder tag. That will work against Ansah also. I just hope it keeps him on the board till we pick at 32. :kingkong: He is perfect for this defense. I look at his technique and I am amazed that he has only been playing for two years. He is very aware of not loosing contain when it's his responsibility. When he is told to pin his ears back and get after the QB he is nearly unstoppable.

Mercilus fell to us because other teams thought they were drafting better players.

Teams have drafted plenty of guys that have had one big year.

Doesnt matter if you think the guy is good. Trust your scouts.

The fact that he had one big year was not the determining factor.

Wolf6151
11-23-2012, 02:13 AM
In post #24 I said that I see our early rounds of the draft going like this:

1. NT or CB.
2. WR
3. OT/OG, a guy like Wagner that can most likely play both.
3b. ILB

I'd like to modify that assessment to include possibly DE in the 1st round. I think it's a possibility the Texans could do much the same thing that was done in the 2012 draft, selecting a 1st round pick as insurance against losing a FA at the end of the next season. Mercilus in 2012 was insurance against losing Barwin to FA in 2013. I could see the Texans doing this in 2013 for Antonio Smith's spot at DE by selecting Sheldon Richardson-DE from Missouri. Richardson is 6'04" and 295 lbs. very quick off the snap, high motor, and doesn't give up on a play. Does that sound like anyone else we know? I see him more as a DE in our system, replacing Smith, but it's possible the Texans could play him at NT as well considering we run a 1 gap system that thrives on putting pressure on the QB, doubtful though.

Have you guys seen Sheldon Richardson-DT, I'm impressed by him.

beerlover
11-23-2012, 08:27 AM
In post #24 I said that I see our early rounds of the draft going like this:

1. NT or CB.
2. WR
3. OT/OG, a guy like Wagner that can most likely play both.
3b. ILB

I'd like to modify that assessment to include possibly DE in the 1st round. I think it's a possibility the Texans could do much the same thing that was done in the 2012 draft, selecting a 1st round pick as insurance against losing a FA at the end of the next season. Mercilus in 2012 was insurance against losing Barwin to FA in 2013. I could see the Texans doing this in 2013 for Antonio Smith's spot at DE by selecting Sheldon Richardson-DE from Missouri. Richardson is 6'04" and 295 lbs. very quick off the snap, high motor, and doesn't give up on a play. Does that sound like anyone else we know? I see him more as a DE in our system, replacing Smith, but it's possible the Texans could play him at NT as well considering we run a 1 gap system that thrives on putting pressure on the QB, doubtful though.

Have you guys seen Sheldon Richardson-DT, I'm impressed by him.

If Sheldon Richardson is available 32nd he would be BPA, IMO.

AngryNateFTW
11-23-2012, 02:12 PM
The O-Line is struggling more than it was last year because the line got younger and a bit more inexperienced.

Newton/Caldwell/Jones

Give them time and I think Brandon Brooks can really come on if he can keep his weight down, also.

I'd like to see more play makers on that defensive front 7. Without JJ Watt I don't think we'd record a sack.

ILB - Ogletree out of Georgia. Athletic and also has a knack for making plays in coverage. (Loves swatting the ball)

DL - Sheldon Richardson DE/DT Mizzou (Could play NT even), Chris Jones DE/DT Bowling Green. (Late Round Gem)

OLB - Cornelius Carradine FSU, Bjoern Werner FSU. (even if we won't get a shot at him)

AngryNateFTW
11-23-2012, 02:13 PM
If Sheldon Richardson is available 32nd he would be BPA, IMO.

Couldn't agree more.

badboy
11-23-2012, 02:53 PM
In post #24 I said that I see our early rounds of the draft going like this:

1. NT or CB.
2. WR
3. OT/OG, a guy like Wagner that can most likely play both.
3b. ILB

I'd like to modify that assessment to include possibly DE in the 1st round. I think it's a possibility the Texans could do much the same thing that was done in the 2012 draft, selecting a 1st round pick as insurance against losing a FA at the end of the next season. Mercilus in 2012 was insurance against losing Barwin to FA in 2013. I could see the Texans doing this in 2013 for Antonio Smith's spot at DE by selecting Sheldon Richardson-DE from Missouri. Richardson is 6'04" and 295 lbs. very quick off the snap, high motor, and doesn't give up on a play. Does that sound like anyone else we know? I see him more as a DE in our system, replacing Smith, but it's possible the Texans could play him at NT as well considering we run a 1 gap system that thrives on putting pressure on the QB, doubtful though.

Have you guys seen Sheldon Richardson-DT, I'm impressed by him.
Texans GM Rick Smith responded with fourth-round DE Jared Crick when asked to name one member of Houston's draft class to "watch out for" in 2012.
Crick will begin his career behind Antonio Smith and J.J. Watt, but he's Smith's heir apparent. "I think (Crick) will come in and get into a rotation," said Smith. "... He's a hard-nosed football player. He plays hard." Crick will have to beat out Tim Jamison to be the Texans' No. 3 defensive end as a rookie. May 2 - 3:34 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7508/jared-crick

aussie_texan
11-23-2012, 07:58 PM
Texans GM Rick Smith responded with fourth-round DE Jared Crick when asked to name one member of Houston's draft class to "watch out for" in 2012.
Crick will begin his career behind Antonio Smith and J.J. Watt, but he's Smith's heir apparent. "I think (Crick) will come in and get into a rotation," said Smith. "... He's a hard-nosed football player. He plays hard." Crick will have to beat out Tim Jamison to be the Texans' No. 3 defensive end as a rookie. May 2 - 3:34 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7508/jared-crick

to me it seems like crick had one of his better games against the lions. seemed like i saw and heard him more then before. I think going forward for the next year or two with jamison and crick behind smith and watt is pretty good. i wouldnt look to upgrade DE, get a NT and move earl over to create more competition at DE ,that is if we keep cody in FA.

aussie_texan
11-23-2012, 08:01 PM
The O-Line is struggling more than it was last year because the line got younger and a bit more inexperienced.

Newton/Caldwell/Jones

Give them time and I think Brandon Brooks can really come on if he can keep his weight down, also.

I'd like to see more play makers on that defensive front 7. Without JJ Watt I don't think we'd record a sack.

ILB - Ogletree out of Georgia. Athletic and also has a knack for making plays in coverage. (Loves swatting the ball)

DL - Sheldon Richardson DE/DT Mizzou (Could play NT even), Chris Jones DE/DT Bowling Green. (Late Round Gem)

OLB - Cornelius Carradine FSU, Bjoern Werner FSU. (even if we won't get a shot at him)

i agree but i still would like a pick at OT and OG because we might have a lot leaving in FA, players like harris, caldwell, butler, gardner could all be gone next year.
We will need another OT to give competition to newton and fill the role of Swing T.

badboy
11-24-2012, 11:16 AM
to me it seems like crick had one of his better games against the lions. seemed like i saw and heard him more then before. I think going forward for the next year or two with jamison and crick behind smith and watt is pretty good. i wouldnt look to upgrade DE, get a NT and move earl over to create more competition at DE ,that is if we keep cody in FA.

This.

Goldensilence
11-24-2012, 12:59 PM
Good mock.

Problem I am coming up with, as is everyone, BPA vs reaching for a need spot.

While I think drafting OG in the first could push this OL over the top, I just have a hard time talking myself into in considering Jones seeing serious PT this year and Brooks ceiling going into next year. I will say this though, I have a hard time seeing Caldwell returning. Dude has had some mixed success and I suspect he might want a change of scenery and maybe move back to C where he was an All-American at Alabama.

Jones isn't likely to developing into an elite G, but neither was Brisiel. The team needs him to do what he's been doing show up and just get the job done.

With all the youth infused the the line the past two years I just have a hard time seeing them going OL in the first two rounds. However, the depth at ILB and with James only on a one year contract, it's a big concern for me.

AngryNateFTW
11-24-2012, 04:16 PM
I like Marcus Rush DE/OLB out of Michigan State.

Whitney Mercilus now Marcus Rush. His name just fits what he does, he rushes the QB.

He's a DE/OLB. Will sometimes drop back in coverage and will line-up at DE and rush the passer. The fact that he has played OLB and has dropped back before just means that if need be, he could convert to ILB. He could play any LB position.

6'2, 250 and he could be had in the later rounds.

Relentless motor who loves to get his hands up in the passing lane.

After seeing how effective your D-Line can be by swatting the ball I want a bunch of players that will do that.

While we're talking about Michigan State, William Gholston (Cousin of draft bust Vernon Gholston) gets his hands up a lot too. With a 6'7, 275 frame you can bulk him up to play as a 3-4 DE.

6'6 Watt and 6'7 Gholston on the outside would really make it hard for a QB to get the pass off uncontested.

htownfan32
11-28-2012, 07:50 AM
Damn, if Marquess Wilson falls to us in the 4th, take him.