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CretorFrigg
11-18-2012, 04:02 PM
:kitten:

Cjeremy635
11-18-2012, 04:05 PM
:kitten:

I told my wife that they should shoot him right there on the field after he missed that FG. Dude only has one job. See ball, kick ball where it goes. Period. He failed. Shoot him. That is all.

Hervoyel
11-18-2012, 04:09 PM
There's a reason he was available. Still he wouldn't be the first kicker to ever get iced like that. Hopefully Bullock comes through for us next season and we can address the position on a more permanent basis.

TheIronDuke
11-18-2012, 04:09 PM
And to think there was a poster last week saying we shouldn't even worry about our kicking game.

Texn4life
11-18-2012, 04:09 PM
That End of Regulation FG attempt was terrible. Not giving me much confidence heading into the final stretch of our season.

Cjeremy635
11-18-2012, 04:18 PM
That End of Regulation FG attempt was terrible. Not giving me much confidence heading into the final stretch of our season.

Much less where 3 points in the playoffs are huge. It almost cost us a game today & probably will at some point this season. Hopefully not in the playoffs, but odds are it will be.

ItsMyFault
11-18-2012, 04:20 PM
Definitely need to upgrade kickers. This is just not going to work come playoff time.

sandmanx
11-18-2012, 04:22 PM
At this point I'd even be open to giving Kris Brown a call for a tryout. At least he can hit from 50+

Mr. Texan
11-18-2012, 04:23 PM
god help us if we need a 50 yarder in the playoffs :vincepalm:

fiasco west
11-18-2012, 04:23 PM
Lets not put it all on him.

Andre made a huge play.

Kubiak gets the ball and runs it twice, he pretty much settled for a 40 yard FG, it ends up being a 42 yard attempt which he drills...if only the team didn't false start...

47 yard kick now that is easily missable. I think you need to K.Y.P, Know Your Personnel, Graham isn't one of the best kickers in the NFL. Those guys would have drilled it either way...so you should have tried to get as close as possible.

ItsMyFault
11-18-2012, 04:25 PM
Lets not put it all on him.

Andre made a huge play.

Kubiak gets the ball and runs it twice, he pretty much settled for a 40 yard FG, it ends up being a 42 yard attempt which he drills...if only the team didn't false start...

47 yard kick now that is easily missable. I think you need to K.Y.P, Know Your Personnel, Graham isn't one of the best kickers in the NFL. Those guys would have drilled it either way...so you should have tried to get as close as possible.

That's besides the point. He's a liability, and he can't be relied upon in big games in the playoffs. You have to try and give someone else a chance. It's gone on far too long, I hope he's replaced soon.

TheIronDuke
11-18-2012, 04:27 PM
That's besides the point. He's a liability, and he can't be relied upon in big games in the playoffs. You have to try and give someone else a chance. It's gone on far too long, I hope he's replaced soon.

I'd agree with you but there simply aren't kickers available in FA right now that can hit every 50 yarder and kick the ball through the EZ on kickoffs. Graham unfortunately is the best option we have.

fiasco west
11-18-2012, 04:29 PM
That's besides the point. He's a liability, and he can't be relied upon in big games in the playoffs. You have to try and give someone else a chance. It's gone on far too long, I hope he's replaced soon.

Well there are not a lot of kickers in the NFL that can consistently drill kicks in the 50 yard range.

redwhiteANDblue
11-18-2012, 04:30 PM
Can't kick from 50 yards. Not clutch. What a combination..

:toropalm:

hated this signing from the beginning.

Allstar
11-18-2012, 04:36 PM
Randy Bullock smiles at this topic.

Jackie Chiles
11-18-2012, 04:37 PM
There's a reason he was available. Still he wouldn't be the first kicker to ever get iced like that. Hopefully Bullock comes through for us next season and we can address the position on a more permanent basis.

Bullock could make a tremendous impact on special teams next year if he is what we think he is. Better field position, threat of long field goals, did I mention better field position? Also, better field position.

TEXANRED
11-18-2012, 04:39 PM
Friggin Gingers!

Premier
11-18-2012, 04:40 PM
Bullock could make a tremendous impact on special teams next year if he is what we think he is. Better field position, threat of long field goals, did I mention better field position? Also, better field position.

i dont think thats bullocks game either, hes a under pressure, clutch, consistency guy. not a monster leg guy..

TexanSam
11-18-2012, 04:41 PM
i dont think thats bullocks game either, hes a consistency guy, not a monster leg guy..

People said he used to kick plenty of touchbacks while at A&M

ItsMyFault
11-18-2012, 04:42 PM
I'd agree with you but there simply aren't kickers available in FA right now that can hit every 50 yarder and kick the ball through the EZ on kickoffs. Graham unfortunately is the best option we have.

Well there are not a lot of kickers in the NFL that can consistently drill kicks in the 50 yard range.

That's true.

I just hope it doesn't come down to special teams in a big game. It's the biggest glaring weakness of this team.

Jackie Chiles
11-18-2012, 04:42 PM
i dont think thats bullocks game either, hes a under pressure, clutch, consistency guy, not a monster leg guy..

Even if he is NFL average on kickoffs that is a big upgrade. I am hoping for better than average.

Premier
11-18-2012, 04:45 PM
People said he used to kick plenty of touchbacks while at A&M

Positives: Accurate field-goal kicker with adequate leg strength. Displays the ability to kick in all kinds of weather, dependable and comes up with big field goals. Gets good lift, as the ball immediately comes off his foot, and is able to get hang time on kickoffs.

Negatives: Average leg strength and does not drive kickoffs through the end zone. Career-long field goal is 52 yards.



i was never for graham over this kid.. bullock missed one kick and never got a shot to kick another deep FG. graham kick a few 50 + yarders through and that was that.. most were high on bullocks consistency and ability to be clutch. the texans were willing to live with the fact that he didnt have a monster leg.. kubes stashed him on IR..

Allstar
11-18-2012, 04:48 PM
So many beastly rookie kickers this year, and we picked the chubby one that got a booboo in the preseason. :kubepalm:

amazing80
11-18-2012, 05:19 PM
So many beastly rookie kickers this year, and we picked the chubby one that got a booboo in the preseason. :kubepalm:

Or our pathetic front office sent him to IR resort because Gary doesn't trust rookies

dream_team
11-18-2012, 05:53 PM
Or our pathetic front office sent him to IR resort because Gary doesn't trust rookies

What makes you say that? I never thought Kubiak was a coach afraid to play rookies.

Corrosion
11-18-2012, 06:51 PM
There's a reason he was available. Still he wouldn't be the first kicker to ever get iced like that. Hopefully Bullock comes through for us next season and we can address the position on a more permanent basis.

There's a reason the Texans brought in Kickers last week for tryouts too .....


After he missed that first one , at the end of the first half , I kept telling myself that would come back to bite them in the ass ....


Then Caldwell false starts .... and I think to myself again , wow thats gonna cost them the game.


Cant put it all on Graham , Schaub's INT's , Fosters fumble , the defense giving up big plays on 3rd down on multiple occasions ..... but Graham hasnt been very good at all at any point this season ... no depth on kickoffs , poor range on FG's ..... they really better solve that issue before playoff time or ... that may be the difference between a Lombardi Trophy and losing a home game.

TimeKiller
11-18-2012, 06:52 PM
I'd rather have Anger than any of the 3rd round picks we have.

GP
11-18-2012, 06:54 PM
Can't see Kubiak letting the K go unless he just blows kick after kick.

Rackers shouldn't have mouthed off when he went to Washington, or he might be on a short list if we let our K go.

Still, there would be no way we'd cut Graham right now. He's pretty shaky, though. You can see it all over him. He's got that Shankville look to him.

TexanBacker93
11-18-2012, 06:56 PM
That End of Regulation FG attempt was terrible. Not giving me much confidence heading into the final stretch of our season.

I thought the whole point with stashing Bullock on IR with an "injury" was to go with the veteran. I'd rather have the stronger leg right now. Graham can't be used for anything over 50 based on us punting from the 36.

Scooter
11-18-2012, 07:01 PM
graham was in the bottom half of the league in terms of field goal percentage before today, i'm not sure why anyone thought he was good to begin with. as i said elsewhere - average kicker, weak leg, and has been mostly unemployed the last 2 years. we needed an upgrade before today, and shanking a potential game winner so badly just reinforces that.

Corrosion
11-18-2012, 07:15 PM
I thought the whole point with stashing Bullock on IR with an "injury" was to go with the veteran. I'd rather have the stronger leg right now. Graham can't be used for anything over 50 based on us punting from the 36.

Bullock had a legit injury ... it wasnt an IR stash. A kicker with a bad groin cant kick ....



Whats weird is that Graham looked pretty solid in preseason and the first week or two of the season .... Other than a lack of depth on kickoffs but now he looks like he's got a case of the yips.


He's a liability .... needs to be upgraded ASAP!!

Hervoyel
11-18-2012, 07:19 PM
Bullock had a legit injury ... it wasnt an IR stash. A kicker with a bad groin cant kick ....



Whats weird is that Graham looked pretty solid in preseason and the first week or two of the season .... Other than a lack of depth on kickoffs but now he looks like he's got a case of the yips.


He's a liability .... needs to be upgraded ASAP!!

Graham is accurate and he's got enough leg. The issue is he's like "anti-clutch". He's the kind of guy who will always look good in preseason. He'll always make the kicks and PAT's that are routine and have nothing riding on them. Game winners are his Kryptonite though.

Allstar
11-18-2012, 07:27 PM
graham was in the bottom half of the league in terms of field goal percentage before today, i'm not sure why anyone thought he was good to begin with. as i said elsewhere - average kicker, weak leg, and has been mostly unemployed the last 2 years. we needed an upgrade before today, and shanking a potential game winner so badly just reinforces that.

Isn't he like the 4th most accurate kicker ever?

CloakNNNdagger
11-18-2012, 07:28 PM
Bullock had a legit injury ... it wasnt an IR stash. A kicker with a bad groin cant kick ....



Whats weird is that Graham looked pretty solid in preseason and the first week or two of the season .... Other than a lack of depth on kickoffs but now he looks like he's got a case of the yips.


He's a liability .... needs to be upgraded ASAP!!

Unfortunately, we found a kicker without a bad groin that can't kick.......:chef:

CretorFrigg
11-22-2012, 03:49 PM
Bump.

Seriously, he sucks.

Hervoyel
11-22-2012, 04:04 PM
I declare his new nick-name is "Slushbox" because there ain't no clutch involved.

Premier
11-22-2012, 04:06 PM
you have to make a roster move.. cut him, bring in someone else. graham is not the guy.. the texans have won back to back games that graham blew make-able kicks, what happens when the NEED a 50 yarder to tie and graham pulls it left.. if guys could keep their jobs because of what they did in the past then kris brown would still be our kicker..

PapaL
11-22-2012, 04:15 PM
god help us if we need a 50 yarder in the playoffs :vincepalm:

Are you the Oracle? :thinking:

Doppelganger
11-22-2012, 06:15 PM
you have to make a roster move.. cut him, bring in someone else. graham is not the guy.. the texans have won back to back games that graham blew make-able kicks, what happens when the NEED a 50 yarder to tie and graham pulls it left.. if guys could keep their jobs because of what they did in the past then kris brown would still be our kicker..

Who would you replace him with? Who is available who can consistently kick 50 yarders?

sometexansfan
11-22-2012, 06:20 PM
Who would you replace him with? Who is available who can consistently kick 50 yarders?

I believe Ryan Longwell is still available. Apparently he was 2/3 from that distance last year, and was 10/11 the last four years.

infantrycak
11-22-2012, 06:22 PM
Who would you replace him with? Who is available who can consistently kick 50 yarders?

Basically for anyone other than Janikowski it is at best a 50/50 proposition.

Having said that, looking to the next draft we are, absent trades. going to have 9-11 draft picks. Now is looking like a good time to spend a 4th or so on a young kicker if one is out there that looks like he could become your kicker for the next decade. Better a reliable starting kicker than someone to compete for 6th WR or another developmental QB.

Doppelganger
11-22-2012, 07:44 PM
Basically for anyone other than Janikowski it is at best a 50/50 proposition.

Having said that, looking to the next draft we are, absent trades. going to have 9-11 draft picks. Now is looking like a good time to spend a 4th or so on a young kicker if one is out there that looks like he could become your kicker for the next decade. Better a reliable starting kicker than someone to compete for 6th WR or another developmental QB.

Agreed. My first mock had a kicker in the 6th. Perhaps an earlier round than 6th?

TexanSam
11-22-2012, 07:45 PM
Basically for anyone other than Janikowski it is at best a 50/50 proposition.

Having said that, looking to the next draft we are, absent trades. going to have 9-11 draft picks. Now is looking like a good time to spend a 4th or so on a young kicker if one is out there that looks like he could become your kicker for the next decade. Better a reliable starting kicker than someone to compete for 6th WR or another developmental QB.

Giving up on Randy Bullock already?

mariowillshine15
11-22-2012, 07:46 PM
Giving up on Randy Bullock already?

Wish we had Legatron.

infantrycak
11-22-2012, 07:59 PM
Giving up on Randy Bullock already?

Not really. Just didn't get to see much and leg injuries to kickers scare me. If the Texans are comfortable I am fine. I am just saying the Texans are well placed to spend a higher draft pick than you normally would on a kicker.

PapaL
11-22-2012, 08:00 PM
Giving up on Randy Bullock already?

He doesn't have a cool kicker name. He must be a bum. :smiliepalm:

Doppelganger
11-22-2012, 08:00 PM
Not really. Just didn't get to see much and leg injuries to kickers scare me. If the Texans are comfortable I am fine. I am just saying the Texans are well placed to spend a higher draft pick than you normally would on a kicker.

I have the texans taking a combo punter/kicker in the 5th or 6th in my upcoming mock.

Corrosion
11-22-2012, 09:17 PM
Smith needs to get Gary a kicker like Sebastian Janikowski ....:kitten:

ChrisG
11-22-2012, 11:08 PM
Wish we had Legatron.

Worst transformers name ever. LOL

srrono
11-23-2012, 07:35 AM
cost of another K for remainder of season would be cheap its time to sign a K who can hit a 45 plus yard FG and actually KO in the endzone Thie defense needs some touch backs to help field position.

FA Kickers
Ryan Longwell
Nate Kaeding
Neil Rackers
Olindo Mare
Josh Brown
John Kasay
Billy Cundiff
Dave Rayner
Justin Medlock
David Buehler
Garrett Lindholm

TheRealJoker
11-23-2012, 07:38 AM
cost of another K for remainder of season would be cheap its time to sign a K who can hit a 45 plus yard FG and actually KO in the endzone Thie defense needs some touch backs to help field position.

FA Kickers
Ryan Longwell
Nate Kaeding
Neil Rackers
Olindo Mare
Josh Brown
John Kasay
Billy Cundiff
Dave Rayner
Justin Medlock
David Buehler
Garrett Lindholm

Looks like all the kickers left are either never-wases or they got a case of the yips and had to be put to pasture :(

El Tejano
11-23-2012, 08:28 AM
Looks like all the kickers left are either never-wases or they got a case of the yips and had to be put to pasture :(

Yeah but Ryan Longwell is still decent enough.

Premier
11-25-2012, 03:07 AM
Who would you replace him with? Who is available who can consistently kick 50 yarders?

i would settle for a kicker who doesnt fold under pressure.. there is nothing redeemable about graham. hes shaky from mid-40s and is scared of the spotlight. if he was automatic under pressure it would be easier to deal with him not being able to drill 50 yarders.. i believe that is bullocks MO.. cold-blooded under pressure, average leg..

TheMatrix31
11-25-2012, 03:16 AM
I can just see this ****ing guy costing us a game. I knew it right when Bullock got hurt that it's gonna come down to Graham doing something horrendous to cost this team.

Nothing against Graham, I just feel like it's been a couple years since the Kris Brown Escapades and that a return to losing games like that is very likely.

I don't get why these damn NFL teams don't just go into Eastern Europe and get some stone cold, unshakeable guy with an insane leg who couldn't quite cut it in soccer to be their placekicker. That's what I would do if I were an NFL GM.

ObsiWan
11-25-2012, 07:34 AM
I can just see this ****ing guy costing us a game. I knew it right when Bullock got hurt that it's gonna come down to Graham doing something horrendous to cost this team.

Nothing against Graham, I just feel like it's been a couple years since the Kris Brown Escapades and that a return to losing games like that is very likely.

I don't get why these damn NFL teams don't just go into Eastern Europe and get some stone cold, unshakeable guy with an insane leg who couldn't quite cut it in soccer to be their placekicker. That's what I would do if I were an NFL GM.

Why Eastern Europe?
Brazil is closer.... and word on the street is they have pretty decent soccer players too.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSppabfuSpuY6LRXM3MH_92TSUu42wxg TbtsPbiYHyiiLXBEvElQA

....just offering an alternate suggestion

TexansBull
11-25-2012, 09:05 AM
Nevermind.

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robroy72
11-25-2012, 09:48 AM
Not really. Just didn't get to see much and leg injuries to kickers scare me. If the Texans are comfortable I am fine. I am just saying the Texans are well placed to spend a higher draft pick than you normally would on a kicker.

I thought it was a groin injury he had?

G27RR
11-25-2012, 11:45 AM
I thought it was a groin injury he had?

The team called it a groin, and here's the picture Randy tweeted. http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/Thigh.jpg

infantrycak
11-25-2012, 11:57 AM
I thought it was a groin injury he had?

A groin injury generally refers to a strain of the hip abductor muscles which run from hip to knee on the inner thigh. I figure that falls within leg injuries.

TejasTom
11-25-2012, 12:44 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:and9gcsppabfuspuy6lrxm3mh_92tsuu42wxg tbtspbiyhyiilxbevelqa

msr.

thunderkyss
11-25-2012, 01:14 PM
I wouldn't necessarily fire a kicker because he misses kicks. That's what kickers do. Whoever we get to replace Graham will miss a kick in a clutch situation. Bank on it.

However, Graham's kick-offs leave a lot to be desired. I can't imagine it would be difficult to find someone who can perform better. He performed better Thursday, but he'd have already been put on notice.

Well, since we were looking at kickers, I'm sure he was.

I'd be surprised if we cut him this week. Won't shed a tear or anything. I'll probably give the old silent fist pump & nod.

Giant Tiger
11-25-2012, 01:46 PM
I have the texans taking a combo punter/kicker in the 5th or 6th in my upcoming mock.

Have you seen this kid from Laval?

http://watch.tsn.ca/cis/clip813276#clip813134

64 yard punt at 18:00

FG at 25:21

amazing80
11-25-2012, 01:57 PM
Doubt we cut Graham at this point, kickers who can get touch backs every kick are not just laying around. Dont forget we have Randy Bullock on IR who will prolly be our K starting next season, I bet we do draft or sign a udfa P this off-season

GP
11-25-2012, 02:36 PM
The team called it a groin, and here's the picture Randy tweeted. http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/Thigh.jpg

Looks like Kubiak had someone take a baseball bat to Bullock's meaty part of his leg.

Kubiak: "There. Now you're on I.R. Groin injury. Welcome to the club, kid. LeStar, give him his badge."

CloakNNNdagger
11-25-2012, 07:23 PM
Have you seen this kid from Laval?

http://watch.tsn.ca/cis/clip813276#clip813134

64 yard punt at 18:00

FG at 25:21

Wish we could get his name to Kubiak........don't need to worry about waiting for the draft...........even if we bring him in after the season.

CloakNNNdagger
11-25-2012, 07:36 PM
Looks like Kubiak had someone take a baseball bat to Bullock's meaty part of his leg.

Kubiak: "There. Now you're on I.R. Groin injury. Welcome to the club, kid. LeStar, give him his badge."

Just as an FYI. Though commonly referred to as a "groin" injury (the "groin" usually considered by most non-medical persons as only the crease or hollow at the junction of the inner part of each thigh with the trunk), that bruise pattern is classic for an adductor muscle tear (upper inner thigh)........the same injury that Reed suffered......and they called a "groin" injury.

http://www.mendmeshop.com/_img/groin-pull-adductor-muscle-strain.jpg

TheMatrix31
11-25-2012, 09:22 PM
Why Eastern Europe?
Brazil is closer.... and word on the street is they have pretty decent soccer players too.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSppabfuSpuY6LRXM3MH_92TSUu42wxg TbtsPbiYHyiiLXBEvElQA

....just offering an alternate suggestion


Well I sure do like those legs there, but I'm not sure Brazilians have that killer instinct I'd like in a kicker, lol.

jradMIT
11-25-2012, 11:06 PM
At this rate of missing kicks we might as well go with Cundiff, at least he gets touch backs.