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Hookem Horns
11-11-2012, 11:05 PM
I couldn't help but keep thinking tonight that a Bud Adams team would have choked in this game. However with this team I was never even really concerned tonight. I just felt the whole game that they were going to win it. I can't say I ever felt that way with the Oilers.

Anyway, cheers to Bob McNair for finally bringing a legit franchise to H Town. :wesmantexanfan:

silentassassin
11-11-2012, 11:08 PM
Very grateful, of course. But we'd be singing a different tune just two years ago.

GuerillaBlack
11-11-2012, 11:08 PM
I couldn't help but keep thinking tonight that a Bud Adams team would have choked in this game. However with this team I was never even really concerned tonight. I just felt the whole game that they were going to win it. I can't say I ever felt that way with the Oilers.

Anyway, cheers to Bob McNair for finally bringing a legit franchise to H Town. :wesmantexanfan:

I felt like we weren't going to lose also. Didn't feel nervous like past close games.

gwallaia
11-11-2012, 11:11 PM
The Oilers would have lost this game with a dramatic bone-headed play which would have resulted in a 16-13 victory for Chicago in OT.

RCPM
11-11-2012, 11:13 PM
who f'ing cares!

TexansFanatic
11-11-2012, 11:16 PM
who f'ing cares!

I care. I couldn't be happier that the city of Houston fired its NFL owner and replaced him with a far better one.

Great thread.

stingray
11-11-2012, 11:16 PM
Don't compare, just look ahead!!! :texflag:

Hookem Horns
11-11-2012, 11:18 PM
I think all of us old Oilers guard know what I am talking about. It's different times now. No Bud Adams, not choking when expectations are high.

When this game was starting I remembered back to that Ian Howfield game back in 91 in Washington. The Oilers were 7-1 and the Redskins were 7-1 or 8-0, don't remember for sure. The Oilers were finally trying to prove they were an elite team going against the NFC's best.

Ian Howfield lines up for a chip shot to win the game in the final seconds and he misses, the Oilers go on to lose in OT.

Anyway, many parallels with this game. However the outcome was different. The Texans didn't choke. They beat the Bears at their own game.

Next up Jax which means 9-1.

BTW, speaking of Bud Adams this Bears team put up 50 plus point on him last week and blew his arse all the way back to Houston. How many did they put up against the Son of Bum?

TexansFanatic
11-11-2012, 11:25 PM
When this game was starting I remembered back to that Ian Howfield game back in 91 in Washington. The Oilers were 7-1 and the Redskins were 7-1 or 8-0, don't remember for sure. The Oilers were finally trying to prove they were an elite team going against the NFC's best.

Ian Howfield lines up for a chip shot to win the game in the final seconds and he misses, the Oilers go on to lose in OT.

Was just talking about that game with a buddy of mine last night.

That Oilers loss/choke was directly attributable to Bud Adams' influence on that team.

The only reason the Oilers didn't have a real NFL kicker that season was due to an infuriating tendency to cut corners. The Oilers figured any kicker was as good as another.

Marcus
11-11-2012, 11:40 PM
Those of us who used to follow the Oilers have deep scars. It's ingrained in us to expect the other shoe to drop, to expect them to blow it somehow in the most aggravating way possible.

Those of you who weren't around back then, count your blessings.

houstonspartan
11-12-2012, 12:19 AM
I care. I couldn't be happier that the city of Houston fired its NFL owner and replaced him with a far better one.

Great thread.

I've only lived in Houston for about 10 years, so I don't have the deep knowledge of the Oilers and what happened when Bud Adams was here; but, from what I've heard and read, Houston ended up with a much better owner than before. And, in the bigger scheme, the owner matters.

swyyyguy
11-12-2012, 12:21 AM
i'm usually a pretty pessimistic fan but for some reason i was never really nervous throughout this game either.

ItsMyFault
11-12-2012, 12:23 AM
**** the Oilers.

The past is the past.

EVOLVIST
11-12-2012, 12:37 AM
I still have a lot of love for the memory of the Oilers. Not the owner, not the circumstances of their departure, but the memory that still remains engrained into the very fiber of this city.

To say screw the Oilers, to me anyway, is like saying to screw the memory of a dead relative simply because they are no longer around. I will never do that. Instead, I will remember the fond times. Thank you.

Having said that, after all those years with the Oilers, with all the ups and downs, I don't know what's wrong with me, but with the Texans 8-1, I don't know how to act! Haha!

Sure, I'm happy...very much so! It's just that this seems like a dream, and that it's too good to be true sometimes. I guess I am preconditioned then, though I'm starting to come around...because yes, our dead relative would probably have choked in this game, but our 10-year-old heir is really showing some mettle.

Showtime100
11-12-2012, 01:35 AM
I think all of us old Oilers guard know what I am talking about. It's different times now. No Bud Adams, not choking when expectations are high.

When this game was starting I remembered back to that Ian Howfield game back in 91 in Washington. The Oilers were 7-1 and the Redskins were 7-1 or 8-0, don't remember for sure. The Oilers were finally trying to prove they were an elite team going against the NFC's best.

Ian Howfield lines up for a chip shot to win the game in the final seconds and he misses, the Oilers go on to lose in OT.

Anyway, many parallels with this game. However the outcome was different. The Texans didn't choke. They beat the Bears at their own game.

Next up Jax which means 9-1.

BTW, speaking of Bud Adams this Bears team put up 50 plus point on him last week and blew his arse all the way back to Houston. How many did they put up against the Son of Bum?

At the same time along came a man named Bum and suddenly we won against a Dolphin and Charger team in the playoffs and on the road.

But I certainly agree with your sentiment. Being an Oilers fan wasn't easy, and the mentality we derived from that team still lives in our worst fears.

BlueSteel
11-12-2012, 05:27 AM
I think all of us old Oilers guard know what I am talking about. It's different times now. No Bud Adams, not choking when expectations are high.

When this game was starting I remembered back to that Ian Howfield game back in 91 in Washington. The Oilers were 7-1 and the Redskins were 7-1 or 8-0, don't remember for sure. The Oilers were finally trying to prove they were an elite team going against the NFC's best.

Ian Howfield lines up for a chip shot to win the game in the final seconds and he misses, the Oilers go on to lose in OT.

Anyway, many parallels with this game. However the outcome was different. The Texans didn't choke. They beat the Bears at their own game.

Next up Jax which means 9-1.

BTW, speaking of Bud Adams this Bears team put up 50 plus point on him last week and blew his arse all the way back to Houston. How many did they put up against the Son of Bum?

I am right there with ya. I honestly could not be happier to be a fan of the Texans right now. It has not always been this good and we will have tough times again at some point in our future. However, this ride has been a blast!

417Texan
11-12-2012, 07:02 AM
Houston team is mentally tough after the heartbeaker loses last few years I think it prepare them to kick ass this year. This team never should be compared to the Oilers.

Thorn
11-12-2012, 08:18 AM
I think all of us old Oilers guard know what I am talking about. It's different times now. No Bud Adams, not choking when expectations are high.


Oh, I know exactly what you are talking about here. The Texans are different from the Oilers, and better. That doesn't mean I'll forget the wonderfullness that was Earl Campbell or the Warren Moon run and shoot days, or The House of Pain, but this team is just so well balanced and better put togeather.

Hell, I'm even beginning to think Kubiak might pull this off.

Double Barrel
11-12-2012, 09:44 AM
who f'ing cares!

Obviously the owner of Texans Talk cares. :whistle:

I think all of us old Oilers guard know what I am talking about. It's different times now. No Bud Adams, not choking when expectations are high.

yep. I imagine that every old Oilers fan has that 'feeling' deeply ingrained into their football DNA. You have that little voice in your head reminding you of the so-called "other shoe" and it's inevitable drop.

That will probably be with us until the Texans go to the Super Bowl. That's the only cure for "chokaphobia", as far as I know.

Marcus
11-12-2012, 09:51 AM
Obviously the owner of Texans Talk cares. :whistle:



yep. I imagine that every old Oilers fan has that 'feeling' deeply ingrained into their football DNA. You have that little voice in your head reminding you of the so-called "other shoe" and it's inevitable drop.

That will probably be with us until the Texans go to the Super Bowl. That's the only cure for "chokaphobia", as far as I know.

Just going to the Super Bowl won't cure our 'disease'. Only winning it will. That's the only thing, that will exorcise these demons.

RCPM
11-12-2012, 10:20 AM
Obviously the owner of Texans Talk cares. :whistle:



yep. I imagine that every old Oilers fan has that 'feeling' deeply ingrained into their football DNA. You have that little voice in your head reminding you of the so-called "other shoe" and it's inevitable drop.

That will probably be with us until the Texans go to the Super Bowl. That's the only cure for "chokaphobia", as far as I know.


SMH.... really who cares, F the oilers! They have NOTHING to do with the TEXANS...NOTHING!!!!

Hookem Horns
11-12-2012, 10:25 AM
SMH.... really who cares, F the oilers! They have NOTHING to do with the TEXANS...NOTHING!!!!

Let's see the Oilers played in Houston (that's where the Texans play btw) and a good majority of the Texans fan base (over 30 something) grew up Oilers fans. I guess other than those 2 minor things there is no connection.

RCPM
11-12-2012, 10:43 AM
Let's see the Oilers played in Houston (that's where the Texans play btw) and a good majority of the Texans fan base (over 30 something) grew up Oilers fans. I guess other than those 2 minor things there is no connection.

I still don't get it. By your logic, the Texans are also connected to the Astros, Rockets, Cougs, and Owls.

The only connection is the connection you make. But in reality, there is no connection. JMHO

Hookem Horns
11-12-2012, 10:48 AM
I still don't get it. By your logic, the Texans are also connected to the Astros, Rockets, Cougs, and Owls.

The only connection is the connection you make. But in reality, there is no connection. JMHO


Obviously you don't get it. Not all of us are 10 years old and grew up with the Texans as our NFL TEAM.

The Astros, Rockets, Cougs, Owls, etc probably would not have lost this game either however for very different reasons. They are not and don't play NFL teams.

Thorn
11-12-2012, 11:04 AM
Unless a person was there, or watching live on TV, those two AFC championship losses to the Steelers will burn to the grave. We were almost there, in the promised land. For those that were NOT there, they don't know. They'll never understand so it's no use aruging with them. They don't have what we are talking about.

speedfreek
11-12-2012, 11:06 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the Warren Moon led Jack Pardee Oilers beat Chicago in Chicago in 1992..

TJ

RCPM
11-12-2012, 11:11 AM
Obviously you don't get it. Not all of us are 10 years old and grew up with the Texans as our NFL TEAM.

The Astros, Rockets, Cougs, Owls, etc probably would not have lost this game either however for very different reasons. They are not and don't play NFL teams.

you lob insults like you are 10 years old.

Hookem Horns
11-12-2012, 11:21 AM
you lob insults like you are 10 years old.

Please quote what part was insulting to you here. Also you are encouraged to report that to the mods since personal insults are not allowed here.

drs23
11-12-2012, 12:04 PM
Obviously the owner of Texans Talk cares. :whistle:



yep. I imagine that every old Oilers fan has that 'feeling' deeply ingrained into their football DNA. You have that little voice in your head reminding you of the so-called "other shoe" and it's inevitable drop.

That will probably be with us until the Texans go to the Super Bowl. That's the only cure for "chokaphobia", as far as I know.

Well said DB. Excellent response. Nailed exactly the way I catch myself feeling at times. It's tough to forget some of the ways the old Oiler's could find a way to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

Go Texans!

TexansFanatic
11-12-2012, 01:41 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Warren Moon led Jack Pardee Oilers beat Chicago in Chicago in 1992..

TJ

The Oilers beat the Bears 24-7 in Houston in 1992. That Oilers team was 7-5 prior to the kickoff of that game and finished the season at 10-6. That Bears team was 4-8 prior to the kickoff of that game and finished the season 5-11. So that game isn't remotely comparable to yesterday's game.

Yesterday's game was far more comparable to the previously mentioned game between the Redskins and the Oilers in 1991. The Redskins came into that game with an 8-0 record. The Oilers came into that game with a 7-1 record. The Oilers should have won that game with a 33 yard chip shot field goal near the final gun. Instead, they choked.

Hookem Horns
11-12-2012, 02:04 PM
The Oilers beat the Bears 24-7 in Houston in 1992. That Oilers team was 7-5 prior to the kickoff of that game and finished the season at 10-6. That Bears team was 4-8 prior to the kickoff of that game and finished the season 5-11. So that game isn't remotely comparable to yesterday's game.

Yesterday's game was far more comparable to the previously mentioned game between the Redskins and the Oilers in 1991. The Redskins came into that game with an 8-0 record. The Oilers came into that game with a 7-1 record. The Oilers should have won that game with a 33 yard chip shot field goal near the final gun. Instead, they choked.

I still remember the 1988 game against the Bears. That was Glanville's team and they won up there in Chicago. I remember the Bears were supposed to be good that year but don't remember if they really were.

TexansFanatic
11-12-2012, 02:10 PM
I still remember the 1988 game against the Bears. That was Glanville's team and they won up there in Chicago. I remember the Bears were supposed to be good that year but don't remember if they really were.

That was '89 and I remember being impressed at the time (mainly because the Bears were a 4-1 teams at the kickoff of that game) but the Bears finished that season 6-10. That Glanville team finished 9-7 and backed into the playoffs after losing its final two games.

GuerillaBlack
11-12-2012, 02:20 PM
Please quote what part was insulting to you here. Also you are encouraged to report that to the mods since personal insults are not allowed here.

Oh you are funny.

Specnatz
11-12-2012, 02:21 PM
I still don't get it. By your logic, the Texans are also connected to the Astros, Rockets, Cougs, and Owls.

The only connection is the connection you make. But in reality, there is no connection. JMHO

OK you don't get it but most do who lived thru it. I was not a huge Oiler fan myself but I know how they feel. I know the heartache they have gone through and I hated what Bud did to Houston when he yanked the team away cause he is a greedy scum sucking worthless pile of sloth turd. The connection is the teams they lived and died (a little) with on every single win and loss. It is called being a diehard fan.

infantrycak
11-12-2012, 03:11 PM
Unless a person was there, or watching live on TV, those two AFC championship losses to the Steelers will burn to the grave. We were almost there, in the promised land. For those that were NOT there, they don't know. They'll never understand so it's no use aruging with them. They don't have what we are talking about.

DB and I had a conversation the other day about how experiences build expectations. He was explaining the air of always waiting for the other shoe to drop and how you could sit in the stadium in Houston and hear people muttering "how are they going to figure out how to lose this one." I was explaining how that mystified me when I started going to games here (although the only Oilers game I ever attended was the KC playoff loss against Montana). Coming from the halcyon days of Dallas with Roger "Captain Comeback" Staubach through playoff clutch Aikman I grew up thinking every game was winnable even when down by 20 pts.

TexansFanatic
11-12-2012, 03:28 PM
And, in the bigger scheme, the owner matters.

It absolutely does.

Bud Adams, I believe, is the perfect example of the kind of owner who is disruptive to his own team's ability to win and a deterrent to his own team's desire to win simply by being who he is: incredibly petty and always aiming to win the small bitter victories (mostly off the field) rather than keeping an eye on the greater glory.

Bob McNair is that anti-Bud. He is precisely the kind of owner this city yearned for during all those years of frustration. We're very lucky to have him.

I can't help but feel sorry for the fans in Tennessee.

Speedy
11-12-2012, 04:04 PM
I don't know. The run & shoot team might have lost it, but the Luv Ya Blue squad might not have. You just never know.

The Texans might bring this town a Lombardi trophy or more some day, but there's going to be a whole ton of heartbreaking losses in between. Games they shoulda, coulda won but didn't. It's hard to win in this league. The Patriots went 16-0, the Packers went 15-1, and both finished their seasons disappointed.

For me, the Oilers died on January 3, 1993. Lived and died with them 'til then. Earl Campbell is still the greatest RB I've ever seen play. I'll always have those memories, but they're long gone now and the franchise they are is one of the franchises I despise the most in all of sports. The only thing I want for that franchise is for their owner to live - long enough to see the Texans win the Super Bowl.

jaayteetx
11-12-2012, 04:35 PM
Oilers, in their good years, didn't have any problem winning during the REGULAR season. Let's reexamine this thread come playoff time.

Exascor
11-13-2012, 10:50 AM
The Oilers and Texans may be 2 completely different franchises but they both played in the NFL in the city of Houston. The Oilers history may be retained by the Titans but the memories don't go with them. They stay in Houston. Some of us would love to remove 35-3 from our brains. Ask a Titans fan about that and (if they even know what it is) would say that was Houston, not Tennesee. For most Houston NFL fans that are over 30, they were Oilers fans first. Our memories are the connection between the 2 teams.

Vinny
11-13-2012, 12:42 PM
Was just talking about that game with a buddy of mine last night.

That Oilers loss/choke was directly attributable to Bud Adams' influence on that team.

The only reason the Oilers didn't have a real NFL kicker that season was due to an infuriating tendency to cut corners. The Oilers figured any kicker was as good as another. Tony Zendejas was cut for Howfield and went on to make 100% of his FG attempts (for the Rams) the year Howfield missed that huge, huge, kick vs the Redskins (91). Howfield missed five kicks in his rookie season, was cut after the Redskin game and he never played again.

http://youtu.be/9Kdip2x48r8

I still don't get it. By your logic, the Texans are also connected to the Astros, Rockets, Cougs, and Owls.

The only connection is the connection you make. But in reality, there is no connection. JMHO When you grow up and become a big boy you will see that the connection (ps. those teams you listed aren't NFL teams - hopefully that helps).

GP
11-13-2012, 12:52 PM
I had that "we're gonna' win" feeling in this year's Jets game, and I had that same feeling in the Bears game. I had an initial shock in the first quarter of both those games, but by the second quarter the outcome was clear.

As a fan of the NFL, I have come to appreciate all 32 teams...not just my favorite team...and each year you can see, clearly by this point in the season, which teams are built for genuine success and which are getting some bounces go their way.

When the talking heads were riding Arizona Cardinals' jocks for being 4-0, or whatever it was, it was a cute story but you knew full well that it was just the same sort of fluke that Buffalo had achieved the year prior. Not built for distance.

THIS team? I thought last year, in the first 5 games, we had a Super Bowl team. But then as I watched our Conference opponents play, and how they won their games, I saw that we were only really a playoff team. A 1-win playoff team, and that's what happened. I was pleased with that.

Now, I believe this team is on a course with destiny. And if they win it all, the legend of Gary Kubiak is born. There will be none who can slander it. It will be like how the ancient rulers would go ad strike the names of his predecessors from the monuments of those societies. All we will be able to do is revere Kubiak in almost a papal manner. Pope Kubiak. And I will be saying rubbing those rosary beads like everyone else. LOL.

GP
11-13-2012, 01:03 PM
I think the reason the Oilers choked in the 1990s was because of leadership over them. Cocky, a bit on-the-edge, and when things didn't click perfectly the rats fled the ship. En masse.

For all of Kubiak's warts, one of his chief attributes is his ability to make people believe in themselves to the point that I think all 53 guys expect to win BUT they know they have to remember that failure is always knocking at the door of their courage.

I think there are key players who have instilled this attitude for Kubiak:

1. Schaub. Yeah, I would want Peyton Manning throwing the ball for us. But I would want Mat Schaub LEADING this team. One guy is a gem on camera, so we naturally think he's a great people-person with his coworkers. The other guy is a recluse and we think he might not a good locker room guy, but hey...turns out that Matt Schaub excels in areas that Peyton doesn't. And last time I checked, Peyton's gaudy stats don't always equal trophies.

2. Chris Myers. He has this vibe about him that says "I might be the center, but I could block anywhere you put me. Try me."

3. Owen Daniels. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can get open and take a pass the way OD does. You want that 1st down? Throw it at his head, his ankles, 4 feet too far in front of him, he doesn't care. You KNOW you're getting that pass completed when you throw it to him.

4. Brian Cushing. A guy who eats football. Seriously, I think he boils footballs and makes smoothies out of them.

5. JJ Watt, Manning, JJo. The newest additions to the team, these guys have almost a serial killer mentality to how they play the game. They have raised the play of everyone around them. Period.

I would say that Andre Johnson and Arian Foster are two guys who are so chill and so fluid in their work ethic and game day talents...you can include them in the above group, but I think they are in a different league of their own. You cannot quantify these two guys. They are "x" factors that do things in a game you thought impossible. They are so heavily feared that often times the opponent screws up entirely because of just their presence on the field. They get the scores, they make a few highlight moves, and they pick up where the team might need them the most.

All in all, this team is talented like the mid-90's Oilers...but they have a built-in mechanism for success that I think that Oilers team lacked. When the pressure was truly on, the teams react differently. For one, it is an embracing of the pressure. For the other, it was a panic reactive response that always self-destructed out of fear of being called "losers."

Hervoyel
11-13-2012, 01:03 PM
Deliver a Super Bowl and it's all been worth it. Gary Kubiak joins the pantheon of "successful" coaches. Win another and he's a legend. I've never been a fan but I'd demand a 55 gallon drum of that Kool Aid and never look back.

TexansFanatic
11-13-2012, 02:59 PM
Tony Zendejas was cut for Howfield and went on to make 100% of his FG attempts (for the Rams) the year Howfield missed that huge, huge, kick vs the Redskins (91). Howfield missed five kicks in his rookie season, was cut after the Redskin game and he never played again.

Bottom-line Bud. Even as he was spending a fortune on his QB, his O-line, his D-line, etc. his inner demons would still come back to kick him (and Oiler fans) in the ass.

Double Barrel
11-13-2012, 04:01 PM
DB and I had a conversation the other day about how experiences build expectations. He was explaining the air of always waiting for the other shoe to drop and how you could sit in the stadium in Houston and hear people muttering "how are they going to figure out how to lose this one." I was explaining how that mystified me when I started going to games here (although the only Oilers game I ever attended was the KC playoff loss against Montana). Coming from the halcyon days of Dallas with Roger "Captain Comeback" Staubach through playoff clutch Aikman I grew up thinking every game was winnable even when down by 20 pts.

From the perspectives of fans, this is the crux of the matter. It's all about conditioning, and year after year, the Oilers conditioned Houston fans to expect choke.

We simply do not know how to believe in a championship team in this city. We have had very talented football teams that certainly had potential, but the fact of the matter is that they always fell short. Some moments are so ingrained into our collective psyche, the "where were you when...?" moments, that they rival huge events of national importance. For instance, ALL Oilers fans vividly remember that January day at the drop of a hat.

Hopefully the Texans really are a so-called 'team of destiny' and break that cycle with a Super Bowl win. Like Marcus mentioned, this is the ONLY cure for chokaphobia. And only then can we lay the past to rest and allow ourselves to renew pure optimism with every new football season. Exorcising those demons from the hearts, souls, and minds of Houston football fans would be a huge relief.

But, until that happens, I cannot deny that voice in the back of my head reminding me of that other shoe and wondering when it's going to fall.