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BullNation4Life
11-11-2012, 10:46 PM
Kareem Jackson is a Pro Bowl caliber CB for the Houston Texans... Tied for 3rd in the NFL in Ints...

Wow what a difference coaching makes for a player...

Ryan
11-11-2012, 10:47 PM
He's becoming one of my favorite players to watch. It's amazing what Wade has done and all of the hard work Kareem himself has put in to get better.

DBCooper
11-11-2012, 10:48 PM
I know, look at Holliday...........

foo82
11-11-2012, 10:48 PM
Waiting for GP or Ellis to come in and say wait til he goes up against an elite QB.

BullNation4Life
11-11-2012, 10:49 PM
I know, look at Holliday...........

and Jacoby Jones...Only player in NFL history to have 2 105+ kickoff returns for TDs...

BullNation4Life
11-11-2012, 10:51 PM
Waiting for GP or Ellis to come in and say wait til he goes up against an elite QB.

Considering there are only what, 3 Elite Qbs in the entire NFL, I thnk it would be safe to say Kareem Jackson is Pro Bowl bound...

too bad he won't get to play in it...

IlliniJen
11-11-2012, 11:01 PM
Waiting for GP or Ellis to come in and say wait til he goes up against an elite QB.

They're too busy putting their grumpy pants on right now. Be along shortly.

chicagotexan2
11-11-2012, 11:01 PM
I never thought Kareem would dig his way out the hole he played himself into but I'm glad he's come around to be a real asset. The guy can play.

DBCooper
11-11-2012, 11:02 PM
and Jacoby Jones...Only player in NFL history to have 2 105+ kickoff returns for TDs...

Did he get another one today?

I didn't get to watch any games but the Texans today.

BullNation4Life
11-11-2012, 11:03 PM
Did he get another one today?

I didn't get to watch any games but the Texans today.

Yeah saw it on the highlights...

TexanSam
11-11-2012, 11:03 PM
I think Vance Joseph, the DB coach, probably has a lot to do with it too. Wade Phillips will get a lot of credit because he's the DC, but you can't overlook the position coaches.

steelbtexan
11-11-2012, 11:05 PM
Waiting for GP or Ellis to come in and say wait til he goes up against an elite QB.

I was one of KJ's harshest critics.

I'll happily eat crow on this one.

A healthy J.JO and KJ are the best CB duo in the NFL.

chenjy9
11-11-2012, 11:07 PM
Pro Bowl caliber or not, KJax has come a long way since he was a rookie. It takes a lot of mental fortitude to shrug off all that constant, harsh criticism to dig himself out of a hole and into a very good cornerback. Not a lot of guys can do that. Some need new environments, others are ruined forever. I strongly believe KJax will be a much better player after overcoming what he has.

Titans Sux 72
11-11-2012, 11:18 PM
Great game Kareem!!!

utahmark
11-11-2012, 11:25 PM
I think Vance Joseph, the DB coach, probably has a lot to do with it too. Wade Phillips will get a lot of credit because he's the DC, but you can't overlook the position coaches.

Did he come here with Wade?

BullNation4Life
11-11-2012, 11:27 PM
Did he come here with Wade?

Yes, he was the Cowboys DB coach...

thunderkyss
11-11-2012, 11:29 PM
Yes, he was the Cowboys DB coach...

No, he was the 49ers DB coach. A friend of Wade's recommended him for the job, Wade talked to him, the rest is history.

PapaL
11-11-2012, 11:29 PM
That open field tackle was a thing I beauty. Dude ha seriously put his big boy pants on and man'd up.

Playoffs
11-11-2012, 11:33 PM
That was a wicked move he put on the ball on that INT. :fostering:

ThaJokaa
11-11-2012, 11:34 PM
Yup, ive always supported KJac even thru all his struggles He gambled and won and that INT tho, he saw Cutler stare down his WR and he jumped on it

dream_team
11-11-2012, 11:37 PM
The play where KJax fell in coverage... where Chris Collinsworth was making a big deal about Marshall being wide open and Campbell missed it.

Is that a legal play? Just wondering what the rules are there. It looked like zone coverage and KJ was sitting in his zone, then Marshall simply just runs him over. Legal?

MEGA SWATT
11-11-2012, 11:39 PM
:fans:K. Jax:fans:

stingray
11-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Just because you posted on this board over and over how much you disliked kareem, doesn't make you the biggest hater. It just makes you the most vocal hater. I think a lot of folks had given up on Kareem about the point he started turning it around. Congrats to him, and I will eat a little crow.

Corrosion
11-11-2012, 11:46 PM
That was a wicked move he put on the ball on that INT. :fostering:

That was a wicked coverage design .... Wade is the man.

If you watch Jackson , he follows the WR across the field in motion making the QB think its man coverage when it was a zone under.


Jackson did play it to perfection.


Great design and great execution.

ThaJokaa
11-12-2012, 12:26 AM
just realized it was Marshall who he picked off lol

Corrosion
11-12-2012, 12:34 AM
just realized it was Marshall who he picked off lol

Thats exactly why Jackson was in the position to begin with .... The coverage was designed to bracket Marshall.



Speaking of Marshall .... That dude is a freaking monster. Props to J.Jo for keeping him in check tonight , especially in crunch time.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-12-2012, 12:36 AM
The way KJ has been playing this year, he deserves all the credit he gets. Nice to show his improved skill on nationally televised game.

Go KJ!!!

Go Texans!!!

Yesterday
11-12-2012, 12:59 AM
and Jacoby Jones...Only player in NFL history to have 2 105+ kickoff returns for TDs...

What an arbitrary, stupid statistic

76Texan
11-12-2012, 01:05 AM
That was a wicked coverage design .... Wade is the man.

If you watch Jackson , he follows the WR across the field in motion making the QB think its man coverage when it was a zone under.


Jackson did play it to perfection.


Great design and great execution.

Thats exactly why Jackson was in the position to begin with .... The coverage was designed to bracket Marshall.



Speaking of Marshall .... That dude is a freaking monster. Props to J.Jo for keeping him in check tonight , especially in crunch time.

It was still man coverage, but we had a three-way going against 12 personnel.

With two receivers running routes, we only need two guys playing deep.
On this D call, we had JJo and Quin playing deep.
We had the right call for this pattern; the inside receiver that ran the vertical was left to Quin while KJax looked to jump the underneath route that Marshall ran.

Perfect call; perfect execution! :texflag:

76Texan
11-12-2012, 01:08 AM
The play where KJax fell in coverage... where Chris Collinsworth was making a big deal about Marshall being wide open and Campbell missed it.

Is that a legal play? Just wondering what the rules are there. It looked like zone coverage and KJ was sitting in his zone, then Marshall simply just runs him over. Legal?

Anybody remember when that play happened; I'd like to go back and watch it.

In the meantime, here are the rules:

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

Corrosion
11-12-2012, 01:12 AM
It was still man coverage, but we had a three-way going against 12 personnel.

With two receivers running routes, we only need two guys playing deep.
On this D call, we had JJo and Quin playing deep.
We had the right call for this pattern; the inside receiver that ran the vertical was left to Quin while KJax looked to jump the underneath route that Marshall ran.

Perfect call; perfect execution! :texflag:

It was not man coverage , it was a zone under designed to bracket Marshall .... with Jackson responsible for the seam and J.Jo the outside .... the safeties were responsible for the deep routes. Its pretty easy to see from the backfield view ..... After the ball is thrown.

Corrosion
11-12-2012, 01:15 AM
The play where KJax fell in coverage... where Chris Collinsworth was making a big deal about Marshall being wide open and Campbell missed it.

Is that a legal play? Just wondering what the rules are there. It looked like zone coverage and KJ was sitting in his zone, then Marshall simply just runs him over. Legal?

Believe there were ~8minutes left in the final frame.

If its within 5 yards its a legal chuck. Outside of that five yards .... Its not.


I think it was probably beyond 5 yards .... tho not sure how far , Maybe Marshall sold the contact being mutual or it was borderline on the 5 yards and not called.

Showtime100
11-12-2012, 01:20 AM
That open field tackle was a thing I beauty. Dude ha seriously put his big boy pants on and man'd up.

Major tackle right there. From the moment of contact not a valuable inch of ground was gained.

76Texan
11-12-2012, 01:22 AM
It was not man coverage , it was a zone under designed to bracket Marshall .... with Jackson responsible for the seam and J.Jo the outside .... the safeties were responsible for the deep routes. Its pretty easy to see from the backfield view ..... After the ball is thrown.

Sure, if you like to call it zone, you could; but if you look at all the other defenders, you can see man.

Quin was the original single deep safety.

Barwin jumped on the TE #89 on play side.

Dobbins was spying on the RB; when this guy stayed back to block, Dobbins came in on the delayed pass rush.

Manning was on the other TE (#87) on the other side; when this guy stayed back to engage Reed, Manning dropped back into coverage to help Quin on the post route (ran by KJax's man.)

thunderkyss
11-12-2012, 01:25 AM
Anyone been keeping up with Dunta?

It's not something I do, but I was watching highlights of their game today & it seemed like Dunta was in every single on of them when the Saints made a big play.

Showtime100
11-12-2012, 01:27 AM
Anyone been keeping up with Dunta?

It's not something I do, but I was watching highlights of their game today & it seemed like Dunta was in every single on of them when the Saints made a big play.

Lol, saw some of it. I don't miss him.

Allstar
11-12-2012, 01:35 AM
Anyone been keeping up with Dunta?

It's not something I do, but I was watching highlights of their game today & it seemed like Dunta was in every single on of them when the Saints made a big play.

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EllisUnit
11-12-2012, 02:11 AM
Waiting for GP or Ellis to come in and say wait til he goes up against an elite QB.

haha well i give the kid props. He has really turned it around this season. That INT tonight was a thing of beauty. I'm happy for KJ and glad to have him "NOW".

BlueSteel
11-12-2012, 02:24 AM
I know, look at Holliday...........

I think Holliday is havng success on the Broncos because our special teams are just THAT bad.

I couldn't care less if a certain returner for the Ravens does well. He reached the point where he appeared to be content collecting paychecks on the Texans and gave no effort. I am glad he is gone and if him losing his job here was a wake up call and got him back to working hard, then good for him.

Corrosion
11-12-2012, 02:46 AM
I think Holliday is havng success on the Broncos because our special teams are just THAT bad.

I couldn't care less if a certain returner for the Ravens does well. He reached the point where he appeared to be content collecting paychecks on the Texans and gave no effort. I am glad he is gone and if him losing his job here was a wake up call and got him back to working hard, then good for him.

Didnt he put one on the turf a week or two back for the Bronco's ???


Hell , that TD he scored today shouldnt have been a TD , it shoulda been a fumble out of the back of the endzone .... Panthers ball at the 20.
There was also a block in the back on that play that went uncalled.


Its feast or famine with Tricycle .... He makes some great plays then makes a horrible decision.

417Texan
11-12-2012, 06:52 AM
One of my biggest things about Kareem is how solid his tackling and run support is. Man I was so sick of Marshall pushing off all nite and getting away with it.

thunderkyss
11-12-2012, 07:50 AM
Definitely looked like it was man coverage. Kj peeked in the back field, saw Cutler eyeballing Marshall & he jumped the route. Great play & awareness by Kj,

IDEXAN
11-12-2012, 08:00 AM
Kareem played very well last night, as did other members of our defense.
Kareem doesn't have long-speed ? Tell Devin Hester that: I saw KJ stick with the very fast Bears receiver, step for step, on a couple long pass-routes. And Kareem is without question among the best open-field tacklers in NFL CB ranks.

HOU-TEX
11-12-2012, 08:54 AM
I'm really happy for KJ. He seems to have really dedicated himself since JJo's arrival.

On a side note; did any of y'all see the pass he defensed on the sideline? He had turned around to celebrate or something while the ball had been kicked back up in the air, landing right by his feet. Our entire sideline was jumping around yelling. It's kinda funny now, but KJ could've easily had another pick had he stayed with the play longer.

Maybe one of you gif gurus can do something with it if you find it

CloakNNNdagger
11-12-2012, 08:57 AM
Did he come here with Wade?

Hired 8 days after Wade .

HTown2ATX
11-12-2012, 09:06 AM
I used to rip Kareem Jackson hard man!! I mean I couldn't stand him, but last night during the game I told me buddy at half time, KJ is effing legit now IMO. He totally has developed and I'm happy to say thrown egg on my face.

When I duck my head in the fridge to get something and I hear something big be given up on Defense....I don't automatically assume KJ got burned....and that says a lot as I always 100% of the time just assumed he did something stupid or fell down...and 99% of the time that did used to be the case....but not anymore

steelbtexan
11-12-2012, 09:08 AM
It was not man coverage , it was a zone under designed to bracket Marshall .... with Jackson responsible for the seam and J.Jo the outside .... the safeties were responsible for the deep routes. Its pretty easy to see from the backfield view ..... After the ball is thrown.

You're right

But you're not going to win a discussion with 76 on stuff like this. He's never wrong. LOL

BullNation4Life
11-12-2012, 09:21 AM
No, he was the 49ers DB coach. A friend of Wade's recommended him for the job, Wade talked to him, the rest is history.

Ah my bad I was thinking the LB coach. Didn't he come over from the Cowboys?

Porky
11-12-2012, 10:18 AM
I was one of KJ's harshest critics.

I'll happily eat crow on this one.

A healthy J.JO and KJ are the best CB duo in the NFL.

The Jets might have an argument to the contrary with a healthy Revis.

I'm coming here to officially eat my crow. I thought the guy was a bust. He still has very average speed, and once in a while still gets burned deep....but man has he come a LONG way. Not only is he not a bust, he is becoming one of the top #2 CB in the NFL. Unreal turnaround.

He's thinking like an elite level CB. You don't have to have elite speed if you know what the QB and the WR are thinking and what they are trying to do.

A perfect example of that is last night when he totally anticipated Cutler's pass. KJ breaks off his man practically before it left Cutler's arm, broke perfectly on the ball and picked it off. Beautiful. Kudos to Vance Joseph, but even bigger kudos to KJ. He used his doubters as fuel. You can either light a match and burn it down, or throw it in the tank to fuel your passion. He did the latter, and I couldn't be more pleased to be so wrong.

drs23
11-12-2012, 10:33 AM
I was one of KJ's harshest critics.

I'll happily eat crow on this one.

A healthy J.JO and KJ are the best CB duo in the NFL.

Tabasco with that or just plain? :D

DX-TEX
11-12-2012, 10:40 AM
Anyone else worried we may lose Vance to a DC spot next year?

GP
11-12-2012, 11:32 AM
I'm ready to declare Kareem Jackson a 100% success. I was thinking I would wait until the end of the year, but there's no need to do that. I don't even think the guy has messed up ONCE this year.

He looks like the game is moving at his speed now. He appears to have dialed into the position in the NFL, and he's now trying to make plays instead of just treading water.

He's legitimately, genuinely a good CB.

DBCooper
11-12-2012, 11:48 AM
I'm really happy for KJ. He seems to have really dedicated himself since JJo's arrival.

On a side note; did any of y'all see the pass he defensed on the sideline? He had turned around to celebrate or something while the ball had been kicked back up in the air, landing right by his feet. Our entire sideline was jumping around yelling. It's kinda funny now, but KJ could've easily had another pick had he stayed with the play longer.

Maybe one of you gif gurus can do something with it if you find it

Lol, I was yelling when that play was live.

If KJ had made sure the ball was down before celebrating, he could have caught that easily!

Playoffs
11-12-2012, 12:05 PM
The Jets might have an argument to the contrary with a healthy Revis.

As it stands, I think we just faced the best CB duo in the league with the Seahawks pair a close second.

76Texan
11-12-2012, 12:09 PM
The play where KJax fell in coverage... where Chris Collinsworth was making a big deal about Marshall being wide open and Campbell missed it.

Is that a legal play? Just wondering what the rules are there. It looked like zone coverage and KJ was sitting in his zone, then Marshall simply just runs him over. Legal?

Anybody remember when that play happened; I'd like to go back and watch it.

In the meantime, here are the rules:

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

Believe there were ~8minutes left in the final frame.

If its within 5 yards its a legal chuck. Outside of that five yards .... Its not.


I think it was probably beyond 5 yards .... tho not sure how far , Maybe Marshall sold the contact being mutual or it was borderline on the 5 yards and not called.

I found the play.
It was with 4:38 to go in the game.
KJ lined up 5 yards from the LOS and backpedaling.
Marshall made contact with KJax 9 yards from the LOS and pushed him off his feet, as in:
(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field

Collingsworth rambled too much and forgot the situation.

IMO, Campbell understood that if he threw the ball to Marshall, a late flag might have been thrown so he checked the ball down.

It was a one-yard loss for the Bears anyway; perhaps the refs thought the Texans were happy enough with the results so they never pulled out the flag.

76Texan
11-12-2012, 12:19 PM
I'm really happy for KJ. He seems to have really dedicated himself since JJo's arrival.

On a side note; did any of y'all see the pass he defensed on the sideline? He had turned around to celebrate or something while the ball had been kicked back up in the air, landing right by his feet. Our entire sideline was jumping around yelling. It's kinda funny now, but KJ could've easily had another pick had he stayed with the play longer.

Maybe one of you gif gurus can do something with it if you find it

Lol, I was yelling when that play was live.

If KJ had made sure the ball was down before celebrating, he could have caught that easily!For me, it's kind of difficult to do with the speed of the game - it being a deep fade route.

KJax was moving backward after initial contact to avoid having his ankle rolled on by Hester; I think it's a normal reaction such that the DB would look where the receiver lands and rolls as to avoid injury.

HOU-TEX
11-12-2012, 01:25 PM
For me, it's kind of difficult to do with the speed of the game - it being a deep fade route.

KJax was moving backward after initial contact to avoid having his ankle rolled on by Hester; I think it's a normal reaction such that the DB would look where the receiver lands and rolls as to avoid injury.

I'm not sure how he could've seen where the WR was rolling since he turned around to do his celebration or something towards the endzone. The ball was there for the grabbing had he not turned around, back pedaling or not.

Eh, he played a great game. Same with the rest of the D

76Texan
11-12-2012, 02:01 PM
I'm not sure how he could've seen where the WR was rolling since he turned around to do his celebration or something towards the endzone. The ball was there for the grabbing had he not turned around, back pedaling or not.

Eh, he played a great game. Same with the rest of the D

The play was with 7:50 to go in the half.
They had two more camera angles on the replays.
Hopefully Dutch or Allstar or somebody can post the gifs of the play.

KJax was looking down at Hester and moving away from him at the same time to avoid having his ankle caught under Hester's fall.

That too his eyes away from seeing the fluky bounce of the ball off Hester's foot.
I'm sure he assumed that the ball had hit the ground.
I just think that expecting him to have more than two eyes is a bit much.

thunderkyss
11-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Kareem played very well last night, as did other members of our defense.
Kareem doesn't have long-speed ? Tell Devin Hester that: I saw KJ stick with the very fast Bears receiver, step for step, on a couple long pass-routes. And Kareem is without question among the best open-field tacklers in NFL CB ranks.

There was that play he ran down the right side with Hester, even though he backpedaled most of the way, he managed to turn his hips & stay on top for another 10 yards. Then when the ball was in the air, he turned & located the ball. He was in perfect position for the INT, but Hester took his legs out from under him way before the ball got there..... pass interference on the offense, wasn't called.

Dutchrudder
11-12-2012, 03:48 PM
There was that play he ran down the right side with Hester, even though he backpedaled most of the way, he managed to turn his hips & stay on top for another 10 yards. Then when the ball was in the air, he turned & located the ball. He was in perfect position for the INT, but Hester took his legs out from under him way before the ball got there..... pass interference on the offense, wasn't called.

That ball looked about 8 feet over his head. I think the only reason OPI wasn't called was due to it being uncatchable, because Kjax was definitely tackled there.

badboy
11-12-2012, 04:10 PM
While celebrating let's not forget the hit Manning put on the TE. I went nuts. One of best hits I've ever seen by a safety.

thunderkyss
11-12-2012, 04:25 PM
While celebrating let's not forget the hit Manning put on the TE. I went nuts. One of best hits I've ever seen by a safety.

He looked like a pit bull going after a bull mastiff

TheMatrix31
11-13-2012, 04:09 AM
Love what I'm seeing. I hope he can stay healthy and continue to progress into a really good player.

Perki-Perk
11-13-2012, 11:53 AM
I was one of KJ's harshest critics.

I'll happily eat crow on this one.

A healthy J.JO and KJ are the best CB duo in the NFL.

Yes you were! You and I bumped heads a few times on what I thought unreasonably harsh criticism.

I would like to make a peace offering, of crow stew, though at this point, it is more of a broth, as it has been in the crock pot for some time now. I will allow some salt and pepper, but nothing outside of that!

:tiphat:

steelbtexan
11-13-2012, 06:32 PM
Yes you were! You and I bumped heads a few times on what I thought unreasonably harsh criticism.

I would like to make a peace offering, of crow stew, though at this point, it is more of a broth, as it has been in the crock pot for some time now. I will allow some salt and pepper, but nothing outside of that!

:tiphat:

Unreasonably harsh? Not at the time I criticized him. I call them like I see them. Thanks for the seasoning, not that you gave me much. LOL

Texan_Bill
11-13-2012, 07:47 PM
Unreasonably harsh? Not at the time I criticized him. I call them like I see them. Thanks for the seasoning, not that you gave me much. LOL

I was pretty harsh on Kareem and I'll eat crow!! It's amazing what good coaching can do. I don't just mean Wade Phillips, I also mean Vance Joseph... He's done one helluva job with KJ!!!