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El Tejano
11-06-2012, 09:55 AM
Anyone else yelling in their house for him to stay in bounds on some of his runs?

This game vs. Buffalo could've been a bit bigger of a point margin. At one point in the 4th quarter around 6:00 and some change, Arian breaks about a 10-15 yard (or more) run. He gets the first down and some but instead of staying in bounds he walks out of bounds.

I'm not saying I want him to turn inside and lower his shoulder or anything but simply falling down in bounds, at that point, would've really helped our team get that game over with.

A good example would be how when we got the ball back on offense later at that time, and James Casey gets a pass and runs for a 1st down and simply falls in bounds to keep the clock rolling.

To me, these are small things that could be reminded to players because that's how you escape with road wins/playoff wins. + it takes the winds out of a defense's momentum.

TexanSam
11-06-2012, 09:58 AM
With him on pace to get close to 400 carries this season, I can't completely blame him for running out of bounds when he can.

El Tejano
11-06-2012, 10:00 AM
With him on pace to get close to 400 carries this season, I can't completely blame him for running out of bounds when he can.

I agree but there are some times when he runs out of bounds and the game is pretty much in hand/puts more pressure on the defense if he stays in bounds.

I'm just saying, better game clock management from all parts or our team is a good thing. James Casey knew what was going on when he got his play.

Trail.Blazr
11-06-2012, 10:08 AM
I agree but there are some times when he runs out of bounds and the game is pretty much in hand/puts more pressure on the defense if he stays in bounds.

I'm just saying, better game clock management from all parts or our team is a good thing. James Casey knew what was going on when he got his play.

QFT

But based on Kubiak's playcalling toward the end, I get the sense the Texans weren't really worried about running out the clock?

ChampionTexan
11-06-2012, 10:11 AM
Anyone else yelling in their house for him to stay in bounds on some of his runs?

This game vs. Buffalo could've been a bit bigger of a point margin. At one point in the 4th quarter around 6:00 and some change, Arian breaks about a 10-15 yard (or more) run. He gets the first down and some but instead of staying in bounds he walks out of bounds.

I'm not saying I want him to turn inside and lower his shoulder or anything but simply falling down in bounds, at that point, would've really helped our team get that game over with.

A good example would be how when we got the ball back on offense later at that time, and James Casey gets a pass and runs for a 1st down and simply falls in bounds to keep the clock rolling.

To me, these are small things that could be reminded to players because that's how you escape with road wins/playoff wins. + it takes the winds out of a defense's momentum.

The clock only stops on out of bound plays in the last two minutes of the 1st half, and the last five minutes of the 2nd half. Running out of bounds with 6 minutes left in the game did nothing to extend the game.

Edit: Just checked the play by play, and no Texans RB ran the ball out of bounds in the last five minutes of Sunday's game.

Big Lou
11-06-2012, 11:00 AM
With him on pace to get close to 400 carries this season, I can't completely blame him for running out of bounds when he can.

I noticed it, I prefer players to play physical, but smart. I prefer he limit his wear and tear this year especially if you have the first down, and there is no chance of taking it to the house.

2012Champs
11-06-2012, 11:05 AM
The clock only stops on out of bound plays in the last two minutes of the 1st half, and the last five minutes of the 2nd half. Running out of bounds with 6 minutes left in the game did nothing to extend the game.

Edit: Just checked the play by play, and no Texans RB ran the ball out of bounds in the last five minutes of Sunday's game.



knowing the rules of the game is important

El Tejano
11-06-2012, 11:45 AM
knowing the rules of the game is important

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. :spit:

Also, for those that think I want Arian to lower the boom and not go out of bounds that is wrong. I simply want him to go down and stay in bounds after getting the 1st in that situation.

JCTexan
11-06-2012, 11:50 AM
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. :spit:

Also, for those that think I want Arian to lower the boom and not go out of bounds that is wrong. I simply want him to go down and stay in bounds after getting the 1st in that situation.

Yeah but the clock continues to run with six minutes remaining. There is no reason to go down in bounds and take a hit when the clock shouldn't factor into the equation.

El Tejano
11-06-2012, 11:57 AM
Yeah but the clock continues to run with six minutes remaining. There is no reason to go down in bounds and take a hit when the clock shouldn't factor into the equation.

Based on that, we could've gotten into a 4 minute offense alot faster.

Allstar
11-06-2012, 11:58 AM
I actually think Foster does a pretty good job of tight roping the sideline and staying in bounds.

ChampionTexan
11-06-2012, 12:00 PM
Based on that, we could've gotten into a 4 minute offense alot faster.

You do understand that the game clock did not stop when Foster ran out of bounds at approx. the 6 minute mark don't you?

The Pencil Neck
11-06-2012, 12:01 PM
I'm not going to fault him for occasionally running out of bounds. There are a lot of instances where he walks the tight-rope and there are lots of times he does fight for those extra yards.

I mean, just remember that run along the sideline against the Bengals in the playoffs. That was awesome beyond awesome-ness.

El Tejano
11-06-2012, 12:06 PM
You do understand that the game clock did not stop when Foster ran out of bounds at approx. the 6 minute mark don't you?

I didn't notice that.

ChampionTexan
11-06-2012, 12:09 PM
I didn't notice that.

It's not a matter of noticing it - it's a matter of understanding the rules.

The Pencil Neck
11-06-2012, 12:11 PM
I didn't notice that.

Yep. That was one of the rule changes to speed up the game.

Running out of bounds only stops the clock in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters. So there's no reason for him to take a hit to try to keep the clock running.

ChampionTexan
11-06-2012, 12:13 PM
Yep. That was one of the rule changes to speed up the game.

Running out of bounds only stops the clock in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters. So there's no reason for him to take a hit to try to keep the clock running.

2 minutes of first half - 5 minutes of second half.

El Tejano
11-06-2012, 12:13 PM
Yep. That was one of the rule changes to speed up the game.

Running out of bounds only stops the clock in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters. So there's no reason for him to take a hit to try to keep the clock running.

Well :mariopalm: me. Thanks for updating me.

TexanSam
11-06-2012, 12:17 PM
I noticed it, I prefer players to play physical, but smart. I prefer he limit his wear and tear this year especially if you have the first down, and there is no chance of taking it to the house.

He also rides a Segway during the week when he can according to Dan Fouts so he stays off his legs. Never thought of that before, but I imagine that does help also.

The Pencil Neck
11-06-2012, 12:18 PM
2 minutes of first half - 5 minutes of second half.

Oh? I thought it was last two minutes for both halves.

I just re-checked the rules and you are correct, sir!

Double Barrel
11-06-2012, 12:21 PM
Back in the '70's, Franco Harris used to take a lot of heat from Steelers fans because he ran out of bounds at the end of plays. They had a lot of respect for Earl Campbell because he never ran out of bounds.

However, Franco added years to his career with that tactic, while poor Earl cannot even walk these days.

With Foster being the workhorse for this offense, I think it's smart to minimize getting hit whenever possible. We need that dude in the Super Bowl!!

Norg
11-06-2012, 01:35 PM
i know what u mean at the end of the game when we were up by two scores he ran out of bounds a few plays when we could of milked the clock eveeennn more

but i dont know what his mind set was i think he acctually wanted to score another TD cause we were at the bill 30 yard line i think

plus i dont know i never played football but i think getting hit or tackled does not feel good so i guess some players dont want to get hit so they run out of bounds

ObsiWan
11-06-2012, 01:45 PM
You do understand that the game clock did not stop when Foster ran out of bounds at approx. the 6 minute mark don't you?

Yep. That was one of the rule changes to speed up the game.

Running out of bounds only stops the clock in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters. So there's no reason for him to take a hit to try to keep the clock running.

2 minutes of first half - 5 minutes of second half.

Actually, I didn't know about that little rule change either. Thanks for the info guys.
:tiphat:

GP
11-06-2012, 02:03 PM
Back in the '70's, Franco Harris used to take a lot of heat from Steelers fans because he ran out of bounds at the end of plays. They had a lot of respect for Earl Campbell because he never ran out of bounds.

However, Franco added years to his career with that tactic, while poor Earl cannot even walk these days.

With Foster being the workhorse for this offense, I think it's smart to minimize getting hit whenever possible. We need that dude in the Super Bowl!!

He had a post-game interview this year, Monday night game vs. Jets IIRC, and Stuart Scott asked him about his life in the NFL.....

Arian said "I try to ask guys who played the game, every chance I get, to tell me their wisdom...what they wish they had done differently, what they did that helped them, anything I could get from them...any little nugget of wisdom they could share with me."

I would imagine that was a pretty significant portion of wisdom shared with him, maybe by Earl Campbell...maybe by other RBs...that hey, you want to play a long time? Take care of your body.

We only have to look at Chris Brown who got blasted when he played the Texans as a Titans RB. Sideline hit. Knocked him silly, was never the same again. For what? Trying to be tough, trying to get an extra yard on a normal carry (not a game winning carry or anything necessary, btw).

I know people think I'm hard on Foster for being vegan. I just think that sometimes you can get too cute with stuff, and for me the vegan issue is split--One half is great, your body is cleaner and more efficient, but the other half (and it's just my opinion) is that plant-based proteins cannot provide your muscles with the same fuel that animal-based proteins can. Plants don't have muscles. Animals and humans do. I know that's a base example, but oh well.

Still, that he uses a Segway to take stress off his feet, ankles, and knees is damn smart. That he wants to live clean on an animal-free diet is fine with me too. And that he wants to duck out of bounds after getting 15 or 20 yards in the middle of a blowout is definitely a smart decision.

He's playing this like a marathon, and it's the smart route to go.

Thorn
11-06-2012, 05:01 PM
Add my vote to the "glad he gets out of bounds to avoid some of the hits" crowd. He makes a lot of tough yards up the middle, and a lot ofthe time he runs out of bounds he's already secured a 1st down.

Good for you Arian. :clap:

rush2112mn
11-06-2012, 05:36 PM
Are you freakin kidding me?
Your going to question Foster's runs?

I know....you should go down to Gallery furniture on Tuesdays and tell Foster that to...I am sure he would listen to ....probaly laugh in your face......:spit:

Vinny
11-06-2012, 05:54 PM
Emmitt smith gave a great interview talking about how a back needs to save those hits for when he can win the battle (a given run) and not take the punishment when he doesn't have too. Sometimes a yard or two isn't worth spraining a shoulder or taking a shot to the knees. You play to win the war, not just kill yourself winning a particular battle.

welsh texan
11-07-2012, 05:06 AM
We only have to look at Chris Brown who got blasted when he played the Texans as a Titans RB. Sideline hit. Knocked him silly, was never the same again. For what? Trying to be tough, trying to get an extra yard on a normal carry (not a game winning carry or anything necessary, btw).


Dude never threw a pass quite the same again after that hit. :kitten:

El Tejano
11-07-2012, 09:02 AM
I'm not asking him to stay in and fight for more yards. I'm asking him to be aware of the game clock, fall down in bounds to keep the clock running. That's before I found out about the new rule.

Texn4life
11-07-2012, 09:23 AM
San Diego fans used to make this argument about LT. These guys take a beating on a weekly basis. I don't mind one bit if he gets the yards he can and gets out of bounds. Especially considering we didn't have Tate backing him up last week.

El Tejano
11-07-2012, 10:35 AM
So if we are in the two minute warning and he decides to run out of bounds when we have a small lead, you all are happy with that? I'm not asking for him to take on hits but simply fall down in bounds so that the clock can continue.

The Pencil Neck
11-07-2012, 10:39 AM
So if we are in the two minute warning and he decides to run out of bounds when we have a small lead, you all are happy with that? I'm not asking for him to take on hits but simply fall down in bounds so that the clock can continue.

From what I recall, he's generally good at falling down in-bounds to keep the clock running. I think he's got a pretty good football IQ and he's sensitive to the context of the play.

El Tejano
11-07-2012, 10:50 AM
From what I recall, he's generally good at falling down in-bounds to keep the clock running. I think he's got a pretty good football IQ and he's sensitive to the context of the play.

NOw that I know about the new rule, I'm understanding that. So really my thread is a fail because I didn't know about the new rule.

NastyNate
11-07-2012, 11:08 AM
NOw that I know about the new rule, I'm understanding that. So really my thread is a fail because I didn't know about the new rule.

That plus the wear and tear. Do you really want foster to be a shell of himself in 4 years when he's still getting 9-10 million a year? We do need some longevity from him.

ChampionTexan
11-07-2012, 11:15 AM
That plus the wear and tear. Do you really want foster to be a shell of himself in 4 years when he's still getting 9-10 million a year? We do need some longevity from him.

Kind of interesting (To me anyway) - for all the gnashing of teeth regarding Foster's carries, if you look at his "touches" through 8 games, he's averaging 25.5 per game this season. In 2011 he averaged 25.46 touches per game. The differences being that more of his touches in 2011 came via pass reception, and in 2011 he only played in 13 games due to injury (2 games) or rest (1 game).

Texn4life
11-07-2012, 12:16 PM
So if we are in the two minute warning and he decides to run out of bounds when we have a small lead, you all are happy with that? I'm not asking for him to take on hits but simply fall down in bounds so that the clock can continue.

I'm sorry, but what new rule are you talking about?

GP
11-07-2012, 12:43 PM
Dude never threw a pass quite the same again after that hit. :kitten:

Digging your avatar pic, by the way.

Not many people know what it's for. I do.

welsh texan
11-08-2012, 02:59 AM
Digging your avatar pic, by the way.

Not many people know what it's for. I do.

Cheers dude, yeh for those that don't its for remembrance Sunday, which falls on 11/11 this year. The poppy appeal raises funds for the British Legion which supports servicemen & women, veterans and their families in the UK. Yearly they do a poppy appeal in the run up to 11/11 & Remembrance Sunday.

The significance of the Poppy comes from Flanders Fields.

GP
11-08-2012, 08:48 AM
Cheers dude, yeh for those that don't its for remembrance Sunday, which falls on 11/11 this year. The poppy appeal raises funds for the British Legion which supports servicemen & women, veterans and their families in the UK. Yearly they do a poppy appeal in the run up to 11/11 & Remembrance Sunday.

The significance of the Poppy comes from Flanders Fields.

More for those interested in the meaning of the poppy:

Against the odds, new life did also occasionally come into being in the battle zones. A story about the birth of new human life happened during the surprise gas attack on the French lines by the German Army on 22nd April 1915. At exactly 5 o'clock, as the gas cloud was released, a Belgian woman gave birth to a baby boy in the cellar of a cottage on the Zonnebeekseweg, just 3 kilometres from the poisonous gas cloud and the battle that was going on as a result of it.(2)

The spring of 1915 was the first time that warm weather began to warm up the countryside after the cold winter at war in 1914-1915. In the region around Ypres in Belgian Flanders the months of April and May 1915 were unusually warm. Farmers were ploughing their fields close up to the front lines and new life was starting to grow. One of the plants that began to grow in clusters on and around the battle zones was the red field or corn poppy (it's species name is: papaver rhoeas). It is often to be found in or on the edges of fields where grain is grown.

The field poppy is an annual plant which flowers each year between about May and August. It's seeds are disseminated on the wind and can lie dormant in the ground for a long time. If the ground is disturbed from the early spring the seeds will germinate and the poppy flowers will grow.

This is what happened in parts of the front lines in Belgium and France. Once the ground was disturbed by the fighting, the poppy seeds lying in the ground began to germinate and grow during the warm weather in the spring and summer months of 1915, 1916, 1917 and 1918. The field poppy was also blooming in parts of the Turkish battlefields on the Gallipoli penninsular when the ANZAC and British Forces arrived at the start of the campaign in April 1915.

“In Flanders Fields the Poppies Blow...”

The sight of these delicate, vibrant red flowers growing on the shattered ground caught the attention of a Canadian soldier by the name of John McCrae. He noticed how they had sprung up in the disturbed ground of the burials around the artillery position he was in. It was during the warm days of early May 1915 when he found himself with his artillery brigade near to the Ypres-Yser canal. He is believed to have composed a poem following the death of a friend at that time. The first lines of the poem have become some of the most famous lines written in relation to the First World War.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

LINK HERE. (http://www.greatwar.co.uk/article/remembrance-poppy.htm)

monkey34
11-09-2012, 03:00 AM
I agree with everyone that says he should minimize the hits that he takes. I was going to use Emmitt Smith as an example too. He had a very long career for a workhorse running back because he rarely took a big hit. Many times he would step out to save the contact. I just wish backs like Campbell or Payton had done the same and extended their careers. How many backs do we see that seem great for a yr out two but you never hear of them again because they burnt out.

PS: My mother and I were just discussing the poppies and Remembrance Day during the Chelsea match. She remembered the poem and as she read it I realized I had recited it too. I didn't expect out to be discussed in a Texans forum though. Nice to see.

Texn4life
11-09-2012, 06:56 AM
Reading failure on my part apparently, but yeah that clock rule has been in place for a while. The college game actually implemented a similar rule in their game after the NFL except its the last 2 minutes of each half. The most head scratching clock rule was when NCAA had the clock start after change of possessions so you had teams having to run their offense on the field like a fire drill if they were out of timeouts and were trying to make a late drive to win the game. One of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.

The Pencil Neck
11-13-2012, 01:29 PM
I agree with everyone that says he should minimize the hits that he takes. I was going to use Emmitt Smith as an example too. He had a very long career for a workhorse running back because he rarely took a big hit. Many times he would step out to save the contact. I just wish backs like Campbell or Payton had done the same and extended their careers. How many backs do we see that seem great for a yr out two but you never hear of them again because they burnt out.

PS: My mother and I were just discussing the poppies and Remembrance Day during the Chelsea match. She remembered the poem and as she read it I realized I had recited it too. I didn't expect out to be discussed in a Texans forum though. Nice to see.

Welcome to the board.

Scooter
11-13-2012, 01:38 PM
i'm all for foster going out of bounds instead of taking unnecessary hits, we need him to have a long and productive career here. some games require that extra effort though. against the bears he had a 7 yard run and ducked out with plenty room to get to the first down marker. he would've taken a shot going for it, but in a game where offense is almost nonexistent, i'd prefer him working for the extra yards.

silentassassin
11-13-2012, 01:44 PM
i'm all for foster going out of bounds instead of taking unnecessary hits, we need him to have a long and productive career here. some games require that extra effort though. against the bears he had a 7 yard run and ducked out with plenty room to get to the first down marker. he would've taken a shot going for it, but in a game where offense is almost nonexistent, i'd prefer him working for the extra yards.

On the same token, he seemed extra careful with the ball, which might have contributed to him deciding to live with whatever he got instead of fighting for more.

El Tejano
11-13-2012, 03:04 PM
I'm all for him running out of bounds too but would like to see him simply fall down in bounds before being hit, when the clock is on our side and he already picked up the first down/as many yards as he could.

Texn4life
11-13-2012, 03:14 PM
i'm all for foster going out of bounds instead of taking unnecessary hits, we need him to have a long and productive career here. some games require that extra effort though. against the bears he had a 7 yard run and ducked out with plenty room to get to the first down marker. he would've taken a shot going for it, but in a game where offense is almost nonexistent, i'd prefer him working for the extra yards.

I can't follow you on this one. In addition to us needing him to touch the ball around 30 times because Tate is out, we were battling crazy weather conditions so our passing game was obsolete. Arian was our only effective weapon. If he would have stayed in bounds to battle for a couple of extra yards and got hurt then we really would have been screwed. Then there would have been pulling calling him stupid for NOT going out of bounds. He played that game perfectly and there's nothing I wanted to see him do differently.