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sometexansfan
11-04-2012, 09:16 PM
I've noticed we haven't run that many this year. We were considered as one of the best teams at doing so in years past, so why not this year? Perhaps it's the defenses we've seen this year or maybe Kubes doesn't trust the new fellows on the right side quite yet? All I know is I would much rather see us try a screen to Foster instead of a draw play on 3rd and long that goes for next to nothing. Anybody else have any thoughts about this?

Tailgate
11-04-2012, 09:26 PM
Thought about this myself during the game today. The only thing I could come up with was remembering when I asked myself this question before and then Foster went all screen crazy for a while. I am sure it will be back sooner or later.

It also seems to me that when we do, we are focusing more on OD and Casey in these situations as opposed to a standard RB screen w Foster.

EllisUnit
11-04-2012, 10:21 PM
every screen i have seen this season has been stopped for very little of a gain to a loss on the play. Dont know why its different this year.

Wolf
11-04-2012, 10:26 PM
We have seen screens some on 3rd and long (when we don't run a draw) lol

We had some te screens to start the game a few weeks ago and gained some big yardage (if I recall)


Think it was against the jags

gtexan02
11-04-2012, 10:37 PM
every screen i have seen this season has been stopped for very little of a gain to a loss on the play. Dont know why its different this year.

Every screen I've seen this season has been on 3rd and long from deep within our own territory. Its the most obvious screen call and it rightfully gets stopped pretty quickly

dream_team
11-05-2012, 01:21 AM
Screens aren't the type of play you can run just to run it. You let the defense dictate when it's a good time to run a screen.

HJam72
11-05-2012, 02:55 AM
In a general sense, I get the feeling that opposing D's are watching for that after we had some real success with it last year. I think our coaches know it's just not available much right now. I've wondered sometimes this year when we would see Schaub roll out and throw back against the grain again, but he did it today. You have to catch the D not looking for these things or they don't work.

TimeKiller
11-05-2012, 08:13 AM
I think it's due to not seeing much blitzing vs. Schaubby. D knows Schaubby will tear them a new D hole if they get too blitz happy. I think this was also a mechanism to help hide TJ Yates last year. Schaubby don't hide. SCHAUBBY SLICE!!!

TheIronDuke
11-05-2012, 08:53 AM
I'd like to know where the passing game with Foster's been period. Some of his biggest plays he's made has been when we threw him the ball and this year I can only think of a couple of times we've even tried to pass it to him. Maybe it's because he's been dropping those? Or maybe Kubes is holding that back until he needs it?

BigBull17
11-05-2012, 09:19 AM
Defenses dont really attack us. They know to stop the ZBS you read/react and they do it. One reason Schaub hasn't been sacked a whole lot.

Speedy
11-05-2012, 09:26 AM
I'd like to know where the passing game with Foster's been period. Some of his biggest plays he's made has been when we threw him the ball and this year I can only think of a couple of times we've even tried to pass it to him. Maybe it's because he's been dropping those? Or maybe Kubes is holding that back until he needs it?

I'd like to know too. Foster was a top 3 RB in receptions, yardage, last season. This season he doesn't crack the top 30. Vonta Leach has more receiving yards than Foster.

silentassassin
11-05-2012, 10:07 AM
They've tried early in the season. I can recall Foster dropping atleast two screen passes.

Cjeremy635
11-05-2012, 11:39 AM
I think it has a lot to do with the load he's already carrying with pounding the rock so much. We don't have someone to give him a breather like we had last year with Tate. Maybe when Tate comes back from his injury, and is back up to speed, then hopefully the passes to Foster will pick up.

There's no doubt that he's dangerous when given the ball in space, but add another 40-50 yards of receiving to his work load and he's going to feel that even more. He's a great weapon, but we have to be smart with him. I don't think this is one of those "ride him til' the wheels fall off" scenarios. If that happens, then we are majorly screwed. He may not be putting up numbers that fantasy players want, but we're winning as a team. It may not always be pretty, but I'll take that W over him blowing out the stat sheets and ending up with a loss. JMHO.....

Edit: IIRC, I think he was averaging around 11 yards per reception last year. That's a remarkable number. I also think he led the league among RBs.

TheIronDuke
11-05-2012, 12:21 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FostAr00.htm

In 2010 and 2011 he had over 600 yards receiving, this year he's at 77 total. I agree with Jeremy that Kubes might just be reducing his receptions to avoid putting excess wear on the tires but maybe instead of having him carry so much we could use him in the passing game to get him into space more to reduce the hits he's taking from linemen and LB's.

Cjeremy635
11-05-2012, 12:53 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FostAr00.htm

In 2010 and 2011 he had over 600 yards receiving, this year he's at 77 total. I agree with Jeremy that Kubes might just be reducing his receptions to avoid putting excess wear on the tires but maybe instead of having him carry so much we could use him in the passing game to get him into space more to reduce the hits he's taking from linemen and LB's.

Only concern there is that his running is what opens the play action and bootlegs so well. I think they're targeting OD and Casey more in the situations that they normally would have used him in the past. It's a catch 22 really. He's a dynamic player and you want to get the ball into this hands as much as possible. Hard to balance that with wear & tear though. Again, maybe it all will change once Tate comes back into the fold.

Vinny
11-05-2012, 01:04 PM
I've noticed we haven't run that many this year. We were considered as one of the best teams at doing so in years past, so why not this year? Perhaps it's the defenses we've seen this year or maybe Kubes doesn't trust the new fellows on the right side quite yet? All I know is I would much rather see us try a screen to Foster instead of a draw play on 3rd and long that goes for next to nothing. Anybody else have any thoughts about this?lots of people hanging around the box trying to take away the run (lots of gap discipline keeps lots of guys around the box) and teams are not blitzing us much out of fear for the play action. Hard to screen in that environment but that's why we get the wide open OD and Walter looks early in the year.

Cjeremy635
11-05-2012, 01:14 PM
lots of people hanging around the box trying to take away the run (lots of gap discipline keeps lots of guys around the box) and teams are not blitzing us much out of fear for the play action. Hard to screen in that environment but that's why we get the wide open OD and Walter looks early in the year.

Speaking of which, we totally blew a chance yesterday later in the game. I erased the game from my DVR, so I can't rewatch it, but we got the exact same thing that happened on the open play that OD scored a TD on. They didn't show it for long, because the pass ended up going to the left side, but whoever was down the middle heading to the right was WIDE open! It looked like a carbon copy of the OD touch down, so I'm assuming it was him. I was like, "holy hell man!". I guess Schaub just didn't see it in time. Would have taken it to the house. I wish I knew the time in the game for reference. Maybe 76Texan can pull it up or something. He's pretty good on that type of stuff.

Vinny
11-05-2012, 01:21 PM
Speaking of which, we totally blew a chance yesterday later in the game. I erased the game from my DVR, so I can't rewatch it, but we got the exact same thing that happened on the open play that OD scored a TD on. They didn't show it for long, because the pass ended up going to the left side, but whoever was down the middle heading to the right was WIDE open! It looked like a carbon copy of the OD touch down, so I'm assuming it was him. I was like, "holy hell man!". I guess Schaub just didn't see it in time. Would have taken it to the house. I wish I knew the time in the game for reference. Maybe 76Texan can pull it up or something. He's pretty good on that type of stuff.I think I remember that play. Schaub could have a few more TD passes this year on guys he either missed or threw balls that made guys change their strides.
Maybe 76Texan can pull it up or something. He's pretty good on that type of stuff.
too bad his peepee got hurtz.

Cjeremy635
11-05-2012, 01:26 PM
I think I remember that play. Schaub could have a few more TD passes this year on guys he either missed or threw balls that made guys change their strides.

too bad his peepee got hurtz.

Is he not around anymore or something? I don't really pay that much attention.....LOL

Vinny
11-05-2012, 01:28 PM
Is he not around anymore or something? I don't really pay that much attention.....LOL
He got bent over a mod moving his thead. It's been kinda funny, kinda sad. He's accusing us of wanting to ban him...that's the hilarious part.

Cjeremy635
11-05-2012, 01:33 PM
He got bent over a mod moving his thead. It's been kinda funny, kinda sad. He's accusing us of wanting to ban him...that's the hilarious part.

LOL! Oh, the crazy drama of internet MBs. I think it's funny and I'm glad I don't have to get involved in that type of stuff. People get butt hurt over the weirdest things.

ObsiWan
11-05-2012, 01:51 PM
I'd like to know where the passing game with Foster's been period. Some of his biggest plays he's made has been when we threw him the ball and this year I can only think of a couple of times we've even tried to pass it to him. Maybe it's because he's been dropping those? Or maybe Kubes is holding that back until he needs it?

I'd like to know too. Foster was a top 3 RB in receptions, yardage, last season. This season he doesn't crack the top 30. Vonta Leach has more receiving yards than Foster.

The guys on 610 were chatting about that this morning. The reason they came up with - and it makes a little sense to me - is that Foster is getting so many carries (what is it, 24-26 carries/game?) that the offensive braintrust doesn't that they don't want to use him up with 5-6 extra touches on pass plays. So O.D., Casey, and Graham are getting the looks that went to Foster last year.

Like I said, makes a bit of sense to me especially with Tate currently unavailable ...and not really producing that much when he was.

EDIT:
Need to read the whole thread before posting. CJeremy & IronDuke already covered this.

Dutchrudder
11-05-2012, 04:38 PM
Speaking of which, we totally blew a chance yesterday later in the game. I erased the game from my DVR, so I can't rewatch it, but we got the exact same thing that happened on the open play that OD scored a TD on. They didn't show it for long, because the pass ended up going to the left side, but whoever was down the middle heading to the right was WIDE open! It looked like a carbon copy of the OD touch down, so I'm assuming it was him. I was like, "holy hell man!". I guess Schaub just didn't see it in time. Would have taken it to the house. I wish I knew the time in the game for reference. Maybe 76Texan can pull it up or something. He's pretty good on that type of stuff.

I know a place where you can rewatch it later.... :)

Mailman
11-06-2012, 10:57 AM
Speaking of which, we totally blew a chance yesterday later in the game. I erased the game from my DVR, so I can't rewatch it, but we got the exact same thing that happened on the open play that OD scored a TD on. They didn't show it for long, because the pass ended up going to the left side, but whoever was down the middle heading to the right was WIDE open! It looked like a carbon copy of the OD touch down, so I'm assuming it was him. I was like, "holy hell man!". I guess Schaub just didn't see it in time. Would have taken it to the house. I wish I knew the time in the game for reference. Maybe 76Texan can pull it up or something. He's pretty good on that type of stuff.

I went back and watched that play again on dvr and it served as another teaching moment in the offensive genius of Gary Kubiak.

The player in question Kevin Walter, but he really wasn't wide open (though he was open) until after it was obvious to every Bills defender that the pass was going to an uncovered OD down the right sideline, at which point they all went into OH CRAP panic scramble mode.

The Bills were completely owned by Kubes on that play. The Texans have run the bootleg misdirection with such effective consistency that when the entire offense moved hard to the strong side with Schaub bootlegging in the pocket, the Bills reacted by doubling both backcutting WRs (AJ and Walter) with safeties. Walter looked wide open on that play because he'd beaten his man coverage by a step or two, but as soon as that trailing CB saw Schaub stop and look down the right side, he broke off his coverage to help against the open TE running down the sideline. Too late, though, because the ball was on its way to OD and the Bills were all hopelessly trying to get over to the completely uncovered deep right zone.

It was just a brilliant play call by Kubiak and Co.

76Texan
11-07-2012, 12:57 PM
Is he not around anymore or something? I don't really pay that much attention.....LOL

I had stated in the film study thread that I will be on vacation but Vinny either didn't see it so he assumed the worst. I'm at Sam Rayburn lake where the internet is very spotty. Just to clarify things, I've always said that I don't hold a grudge. I say what I need to say and move on. It's amazing here in East Texas in the Fall but I can't wait to come back to Texans football.