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Cerberus
11-03-2012, 12:52 PM
If you were commissioned to design a Mount Rushmore of NFL League greats (not players like in Dread's thread), who would you put on there?

Me? I'd start off with these three for sure:

1. George Halas
2. Al Davis
3. Paul Brown
4.

But then I have a hard time picking the 4th person. In my mind, it would have to be between: Lamar Hunt, Ralph Wilson, Pete Rozelle, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Art Rooney and possibly even Wellington Mara. Would exclude John Madden, because it wouldn't be right having two Raiders on the Mount.

Who would you put on the NFL's version of Mount Rushmore?

Hookem Horns
11-03-2012, 01:38 PM
Jim Thorpe would have to be included.

If there are tourist restrooms in the park Bud Adams face in the urinals.

Trap_Star
11-03-2012, 01:52 PM
David Carr
Jacoby Jones
Charley Casserly
Victor Riley

Hookem Horns
11-03-2012, 01:57 PM
David Carr
Jacoby Jones
Charley Casserly
Victor Riley

A variety of faces for the urinals? Good call.

Dutchrudder
11-03-2012, 02:20 PM
How about..,

Bob McNair
Gary Kubiak
Wade Phillips
Bum Phillips

infantrycak
11-03-2012, 03:56 PM
I think Tom Landry should be included.

Texas born and raised - UT and UofH
WWII volunteer.
Huge volunteer and leader to anyone around him.
All-pro NFL player while at the same time coaching.
DC with Lombardi as OC.
29 year HC with 5 SB appearances.
An inventor of the 4-3 defense then refined it in the flex.
Defensive guy who became an offensive innovator.
Innovated strength and conditioning programs.
Innovated statistical breakdown of opponent tendencies.

Great man and Texan.

Hookem Horns
11-03-2012, 06:55 PM
I think Tom Landry should be included.

Texas born and raised - UT and UofH
WWII volunteer.
Huge volunteer and leader to anyone around him.
All-pro NFL player while at the same time coaching.
DC with Lombardi as OC.
29 year HC with 5 SB appearances.
An inventor of the 4-3 defense then refined it in the flex.
Defensive guy who became an offensive innovator.
Innovated strength and conditioning programs.
Innovated statistical breakdown of opponent tendencies.

Great man and Texan.

Yeah but he was best known for coaching Oklahoma's NFL team.

infantrycak
11-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Yeah but he was best known for coaching Oklahoma's NFL team.

Hey, he had 42 takeaways for your little yankee wuss team - you could cut him some slack.

Besides his iconic image wouldn't involve a star. It would be:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/1030/nfl_g_tlandry1_412.jpg

Johnny Cash may have been The Man in Black but Tom Landry was The Man in Hat.

The Pencil Neck
11-03-2012, 10:17 PM
George Halas
Vince Lombardi
Paul Brown
Bill Walsh

stingray
11-03-2012, 10:19 PM
I think Tom Landry should be included.

Texas born and raised - UT and UofH
WWII volunteer.
Huge volunteer and leader to anyone around him.
All-pro NFL player while at the same time coaching.
DC with Lombardi as OC.
29 year HC with 5 SB appearances.
An inventor of the 4-3 defense then refined it in the flex.
Defensive guy who became an offensive innovator.
Innovated strength and conditioning programs.
Innovated statistical breakdown of opponent tendencies.

Great man and Texan.

100% agreed!!

Hookem Horns
11-04-2012, 12:57 AM
Hey, he had 42 takeaways for your little yankee wuss team - you could cut him some slack.

Besides his iconic image wouldn't involve a star. It would be:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/1030/nfl_g_tlandry1_412.jpg

Johnny Cash may have been The Man in Black but Tom Landry was The Man in Hat.

Cowboys = Satan

Sorry, he was Darth Vader to me.

Showtime100
11-04-2012, 01:03 AM
George Halas
Vince Lombardi
Paul Brown
Bill Walsh

*BAM* (well...kinda.....scratch Walsh with Wellington Mara)

Tom Landry, love ya, thanks for playing.

Kaiser Toro
11-04-2012, 01:21 AM
Lamar Hunt

DexmanC
11-05-2012, 06:09 AM
Warren Moon...

The man refused to be recast as a WR, TE, DB, or RB, just to satisfy the
racists. He stayed QB, and dominated the record books in Canada just
to show the world he wasn't playing. Then, he came to Houston and
showed the NFL what they missed out on. As soon as Bud could, he
shut Moon down for Cody "Can't-Stay-Healthy-Worth-A-Damn" Carlson,
Bucky Richardson, Chris Chandelier etc. Bud's team didn't become competitive
again until another young Black warrior, Steve Mcnair, was FINALLY given a shot after
TWO FULL SEASONS on the bench.

Warren went on to become an all-time great by finishing up strong
in Minnesota and Seattle.

After Warren Moon, there was no longer a question mark on whether
Black men had the brains and leadership to lead an NFL squad to victory
by playing the heralded position of Quarterback.

We saw the likes of Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, Steve Mcnair,
Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Cam Newton, RGIII, and many more rise to
prominence in no small part due to the perseverance and assertion of
manhood provided by the First Black Quarterback to be inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, Harold Warren Moon.

steelbtexan
11-05-2012, 07:26 AM
What Houston missed out on with Moon was a QB that could even get a sniff of the Lombardi trophy. You could count on two things with Warren.

1. He would always choke in big games.
2. He was a pioneer at making it rain at many gentlemens establishments around Houston.

Hookem Horns
11-05-2012, 09:56 AM
After Warren Moon, there was no longer a question mark on whether
Black men had the brains and leadership to lead an NFL squad to victory
by playing the heralded position of Quarterback.



I was probably one of Moon's biggest fans during his time with the Oilers. However before him I was probably even a bigger fan of Doug Williams in Tampa.

I would say Doug Williams proved the above before Moon. Doug Williams was not a choker like Moon and got an expansion team to the NFC Championship. Oh, and he did go on to win a Super Bowl in Washington.

Moon was a great stats guy (what is why he is in the HOF) but always folded in the playoffs. Williams went the whole distance becoming the first black QB to win a Super Bowl. Has there been another?

Dread-Head
11-05-2012, 10:09 AM
Jim Thorpe would have to be included.

If there are tourist restrooms in the park Bud Adams face in the urinals.

And Art Modell....

Dread-Head
11-05-2012, 10:11 AM
What Houston missed out on with Moon was a QB that could even get a sniff of the Lombardi trophy. You could count on two things with Warren.

1. He would always choke in big games.
2. He was a pioneer at making it rain at many gentlemens establishments around Houston.

The infamous "Buffalo game". How was that HIS fault? Buddy Ryan's defense fell apart and special teams played like crap.

Dread-Head
11-05-2012, 10:14 AM
Warren Moon...

The man refused to be recast as a WR, TE, DB, or RB, just to satisfy the
racists. He stayed QB, and dominated the record books in Canada just
to show the world he wasn't playing. Then, he came to Houston and
showed the NFL what they missed out on. As soon as Bud could, he
shut Moon down for Cody "Can't-Stay-Healthy-Worth-A-Damn" Carlson,
Bucky Richardson, Chris Chandelier etc. Bud's team didn't become competitive
again until another young Black warrior, Steve Mcnair, was FINALLY given a shot after
TWO FULL SEASONS on the bench.

Warren went on to become an all-time great by finishing up strong
in Minnesota and Seattle.

After Warren Moon, there was no longer a question mark on whether
Black men had the brains and leadership to lead an NFL squad to victory
by playing the heralded position of Quarterback.

We saw the likes of Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, Steve Mcnair,
Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Cam Newton, RGIII, and many more rise to
prominence in no small part due to the perseverance and assertion of
manhood provided by the First Black Quarterback to be inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, Harold Warren Moon.



:thinking: You'll note that Dex didn't include "Mighty" Vince Young on his list.

Hookem Horns
11-05-2012, 10:23 AM
The infamous "Buffalo game". How was that HIS fault? Buddy Ryan's defense fell apart and special teams played like crap.

Raising hand yelling ... "oh I got this one!".

Yes, most are quick to point out that his defense blew that 35-3 lead in Buffalo. That is true and to his credit Moon had a great first half to get them that huge lead. However when the momentum started shifting Moon started folding right along with his defense in that 2nd half.

He just didn't have it in himself to turn back the momentum. With the crowd against him and with all of that adversity he fizzled out. If he could have just orchestrated one or 2 solid drives in that 2nd half the Bills would not have had enough time to complete the comeback. When the Bills finally tied it and it went to OT, Moon had the ball first and could have taken that game back. However he threw a trademark INT and the rest is history.

For the record that was Jim Eddy's defense, not Buddy Ryan's. Eddy was fired due to that loss and Ryan was brought in to replace him the following season.

Double Barrel
11-05-2012, 11:43 AM
For the record that was Jim Eddy's defense, not Buddy Ryan's. Eddy was fired due to that loss and Ryan was brought in to replace him the following season.

yep. Buddy's defense didn't fall apart until the next year when Joe Montana and the Chiefs came to town for a playoff game.

Sad part is that Ryan had one nemesis in Chicago, and that was a Joe Montana-led west coast offense. Bill Walsh used to drive him crazy, according to Buddy. Those short, precise timing patterns could get the better of his blitz-heavy 46 defense.

DexmanC
11-05-2012, 12:32 PM
:thinking: You'll note that Dex didn't include "Mighty" Vince Young on his list.

Sorry to inform Longhorn fans, that omission on my part was very intentional.

Hookem Horns
11-05-2012, 12:39 PM
Sorry to inform VY fanboys, that omission on my part was very intentional.

FIFY .. us normal Longhorn fans are content with what he did for us at the college level.

DexmanC
11-05-2012, 12:41 PM
What Houston missed out on with Moon was a QB that could even get a sniff of the Lombardi trophy. You could count on two things with Warren.

1. He would always choke in big games.
2. He was a pioneer at making it rain at many gentlemens establishments around Houston.

Meh. I would put the Oilers' playoff failures on Pardee's offense, and not
on Moon. In the Playoffs, you need the ability to sit on a lead with your
defense and running game, and allow the clock to run. The Run-n-Shoot
got exposed during the playoffs, because if you couldn't score, there was
no way to consistently hold on to the ball.

If Moon would've gotten any kind of running game, like Mcnair eventually
did with Eddie George, we'd have seen a Superbowl banner hanging in
The Dome. The defense was stacked the year Ryan got here, we had
a Hall of Fame quarterback, and great receivers. The lack of ball control
through running it is what killed the Oilers, not Warren Moon.

The 35-3 game is a prime example. Fortunately, I'm not weak enough to
have been traumatized by seeing it. It only makes me glad to know that
if the Texans get up on ANYBODY 35-3 at halftime, Arian Foster, Ben
Tate, Justin Forsett, and whoever else we throw back there are gonna
be munchin a lot of clock.

Before you give me the '99 Rams as an example of what the Oilers could've
done, I'll tell ya right now there is no comparison. Moon never had a RB
as dynamic as Marshall Faulk, who could run the ball between the tackles,
and pull coverage as a receiver.

My main point is Moon is a Hall of Famer not only for his stats, but all
the **** he had to go through to get time enough to EARN those stats.
We all know that no Black man would get the same patience he received from
any team, to throw as many interceptions Brett Favre did, in order to become
the all-time leader in touchdowns.

The fact that what I just said may make some people uncomfortable when
they read it. It doesn't make what is said any less true. Truth and understanding
should be the goal of any discourse.