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CloakNNNdagger
10-25-2012, 09:03 PM
Times they are a'changin'.

October 24, 2012
Vickers: Cowboys can follow lead of 2011 Texans, persevere in wake of Lee's injury
Dallas Cowboys fullback Lawrence Vickers, a seventh-year NFL veteran, responded to the news about season-ending surgery for linebacker/team leader Sean Lee by preaching the gospel of the 2011 Houston Texans.

Vickers, a fullback in Houston last season, watched the team lose star after star _ defensive end Mario Williams, quarterback Matt Schaub, receiver Andre Johnson _ to a series of lengthy or season-ending injuries. Yet the Texans persevered and won the first division title and playoff game in franchise history. Asked if he’d ever been around a team that lost more key players in one season, Vickers said: “No.”

“Last year in Houston, it seemed like we had somebody go down every week,” Vickers said. “But after a while, we got used to it. When a guy goes down, the next guy steps up and it becomes his job. And you keep on ticking. Everybody’s a starter, man. That’s how you’ve got to prepare.”

Vickers said he shared his experiences today with Cowboys teammates’ to remind them that, at 3-3, there is a lot of season left to salvage without Lee if they do not give in to adversity.

“Absolutely,” Vickers said. “That’s how you know what type of team you’ve got.”

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2012/10/vickers-cowboys-can-follow-lead-of-2011-texans-persevere-in-wake-of-lees-injury.html#storylink=cpy

Playoffs
10-25-2012, 09:06 PM
Now we're the "good example" ..... we used to be the "bad example" for so long. :ahhaha:

GP
10-26-2012, 12:39 AM
News Flash, Lawrence: You were on a helluva' team last year, bro.

Soooooo....uhh...yeah, your new team is scuh-rewed.

BattleRedToro
10-26-2012, 01:01 AM
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

Showtime100
10-26-2012, 01:41 AM
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.

HoustonFrog
10-26-2012, 08:37 AM
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.


As a Dallas fan that grew up in Ft. Worth, I can see this a little but I also see the other side of things too. Houston fans pride themselves on being "classy" and being here and seeing ya'll towards your team, I agree somewhat. But I wouldn't call Houston fans..the city.. in general that way. Living there and hearing the constant Cowboy hate talk on the radio, even when the Texans were a subject really turned me off. I've even seen the best Texans fans admit the city suffers from a little brother syndrome that has made people for years just obsess with Cowboy talk. I always tell people it goes both ways. You get bad Cowboy fans because you taunt the lion in the cage by constantly discussing Cowboy hate and fans. Chicken or the egg. Overall when I first moved to Houston in 1993, I didn't get that as much from Oiler fan and I was an Oiler fan as a secondary team. I'm going GP and babbling here...:)..but my point is there are bad fans in every lot. BUT I do get where you are coming from somewhat because 90% of the people I know who root for the Cowboys grew up with or around me in the DFW area.

Here is an example of trash fans hating...Soldier/Cowboy Fan who lost legs in Afghanistan taunted at bar after Panther game

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223059/Marine-lost-legs-Afghanistan-forced-restaurant-cruel-taunts-rival-football-fans.html

HJam72
10-26-2012, 08:43 AM
Oh, they're just jealous 'cause we won a playoff game. :)

Seriously though, only bad Cowboys fans I've actually heard are the ones on the radio and other media. The media tends attract bad fans of all teams.

Getting away from the media, the bad fans are usually the band-wagoners for whatever team won the last SB or that they started the season off thinking would. The Saints come to mind, although a lot of their bandwagoners are probably jumping ship right now.

TexanSam
10-26-2012, 08:49 AM
If they wanted to mimic the Texans then it would start at the top. Bob McNair is patient (probably too patient). Jerry Jones is not. But there's something to be said that by the end of this football season, the Texans will probably have more playoffs win in the last 15 years than the Cowboys will.

thunderkyss
10-26-2012, 08:51 AM
Now we're the "good example" ..... we used to be the "bad example" for so long. :ahhaha:

True, but it's too late for the Cowboys. What made last year's "next man up" thing work so well was the work that Kubiak did 6 years ago, starting with arranging a face to face between McNair & Rick Smith.

This team is deep & looks like they're always looking at the future. We've had a couple of Duds, but we've hit far more studs over that time.

Next man up, that's the way this team was built.

HoustonFrog
10-26-2012, 09:09 AM
If they wanted to mimic the Texans then it would start at the top. Bob McNair is patient (probably too patient). Jerry Jones is not. But there's something to be said that by the end of this football season, the Texans will probably have more playoffs win in the last 15 years than the Cowboys will.

Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.

If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.

http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/

Playoffs
10-26-2012, 09:31 AM
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

What sucks about Cowboys fans, if you go to a game and sit in the high dollar seats, is they sit on their hands. Both the old & new stadium experience is quiet. You leave Reliant with your ears ringing.

As far as class, those fans far outclass the owner. Jerruh don't fit in Highland Park.

paycheck71
10-26-2012, 02:44 PM
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.

As a Dallas fan that grew up in Ft. Worth, I can see this a little but I also see the other side of things too. Houston fans pride themselves on being "classy" and being here and seeing ya'll towards your team, I agree somewhat. But I wouldn't call Houston fans..the city.. in general that way. Living there and hearing the constant Cowboy hate talk on the radio, even when the Texans were a subject really turned me off. I've even seen the best Texans fans admit the city suffers from a little brother syndrome that has made people for years just obsess with Cowboy talk. I always tell people it goes both ways. You get bad Cowboy fans because you taunt the lion in the cage by constantly discussing Cowboy hate and fans. Chicken or the egg. Overall when I first moved to Houston in 1993, I didn't get that as much from Oiler fan and I was an Oiler fan as a secondary team. I'm going GP and babbling here...:)..but my point is there are bad fans in every lot. BUT I do get where you are coming from somewhat because 90% of the people I know who root for the Cowboys grew up with or around me in the DFW area.

Here is an example of trash fans hating...Soldier/Cowboy Fan who lost legs in Afghanistan taunted at bar after Panther game

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223059/Marine-lost-legs-Afghanistan-forced-restaurant-cruel-taunts-rival-football-fans.html

The Cowboys are a lightning rod like other nationally popular teams (Lakers, Yankees) because they attract a lot of bandwagon fans. So that explains some of the hate for the Cowboys in Houston. You'll find the same sentiment in most other cities, but maybe not to the same extent. I lived in both Houston and Dallas for extended periods of time, Dallas being the most recent one, and I kind of agree with both of you. I think Cowboys fans from the Metroplex ARE different than those who have no Dallas ties. A lot of my friends are Cowboys fans, and they actually ask me about the Texans from time to time. I also think some Texans fans are a little too jumpy about the Cowboys and think there is some rivalry between the teams, when there really isn't.

Errant Hothy
10-26-2012, 02:59 PM
Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.

If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.

http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/

Patience or not, Jerry's biggst problem is his ego. As an owner he is one of the best in the NFL and as a GM he is in he bottom 5; and there is the problem. You can no longer seperate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM.

paycheck71
10-26-2012, 03:03 PM
Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.

If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.

http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/

Jerry wants to look like he knows something about football, but he doesn't. At least not to the degree of an NFL GM. If he really wanted to do his team good, he'd hire a real GM and just watch the games from his box. Then other problems would work themselves out eventually.

Discussing things like "Is Romo good enought?", "Is Garrett a good HC, or just a good OC?", "Who's to blame for the clock management issues, Romo or Garrett?" to me is pointless without talking about Jerry. It all starts at the top, with him.

spurstexanstros
10-26-2012, 04:53 PM
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.
Not freaking possible....I was at Relaint for "Tailgate Gate" and they were as rude and obnoxious as advertised despite their team being 0-2 at the time and on the road to worst season in 15 years. We all saw the brawls in stands and out in lot....they freaking changed our tailgate policy. Cowboy fans are worst fans in all of sports (worldwide)
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.

The ones in the SA area are the worst...complete d-bags..and the worst part is is that they are in the media. (Don Harris..Mike Taylor..David Chancellor..etc) Until recently they wouldnt acknowledge that there was Texans fans here...that is until the watch parties were shown on TV and covered in newspaper. Now they begrudgingly talk about the Texans (IN EVERY SPORTSCAST)....IMO the Cowboy fans can suck it go watch the history channel if you like talking about the past. Its time for us to end the Blue Star Plague.This town and this state are turning Battle Red!!!

(ps guys check out our fanclub on FB Houston Texans Fan Club of San Antonio...we have almost 900 likes/members. If you have family in SA or live there)

chicagotexan2
10-26-2012, 05:12 PM
Mantra for the 2012 cowboys -

Next man up to the glory hole. I bet that tshirt would a hot seller in the dfw.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2012, 06:56 PM
Mantra for the 2012 cowboys -

Next man up to the glory hole. I bet that tshirt would a hot seller in the dfw.

COWBOYS STADIUM

http://omnipotentpoobah.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/gloryhole.png

Dang, Jerry, you lied. You said you and your boys wouldn't pull out!

Scooter
10-26-2012, 07:25 PM
and if vickers could catch a pass he'd be answering questions about being 6-1.

houstonspartan
10-27-2012, 01:36 PM
Cowboys fans are some of the most obnoxious human beings I've ever met. Though, Saints fans are a close second (HATE Saints fans).

Regarding Vickers' point: He's forgetting that the 2011 Texans had depth at almost every position, allowing us to adjust; we also had a head coach that had been here for a while, and they have Richie Cunningham still learning to ride his bike.

No way can the 2012 Cowboys become the 2011 Texans.

paycheck71
10-27-2012, 03:11 PM
Jerry has an interesting take on what the job description of a GM is...

“That is one of the luxuries of my position as owner as well as the ultimate decision maker, general manager and president – I can do that and take the losses and come back for more,” he said this week at Valley Ranch, talking about his management style.



The whole article HERE (http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2012/10/jerry-jones-says-being-owner-leaves-him-free-to-risk-losses-as-gm-i-can-come-back-for-more.html#storylink=cpy)

houstonspartan
10-27-2012, 04:52 PM
Jerry has an interesting take on what the job description of a GM is...




The whole article HERE (http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2012/10/jerry-jones-says-being-owner-leaves-him-free-to-risk-losses-as-gm-i-can-come-back-for-more.html#storylink=cpy)

Thanks for the find and for posting the link.

That's some of the dumbest s--t I've ever heard. He's essentially saying: I'm my own boss, so, that allows for more risk-taking, and that risk-taking will eventually pan out.

That makes no sense for several reasons.

1) Checks-and-balances. Everyone needs someone else to stop them from making dumb mistakes (i.e. when he traded a first rounder to Detroit a few years ago for, I believe, Roy Williams).

2) Jerry is too emotional to be GM. GM's needs to be somewhat logical and detached. That's how smart one's stop themselves from making dumb mistakes.

3) His "risk taking" hasn't paid off yet. Obviously, it's time to try another approach, yes?

4) Most GM's have a strong background in scouting. That allows them to see a player's potential more clearly. If Jerry had a REAL GM, the Cowboys would be looking ahead to their quarterbacking future. A real GM would have drafted a decent quarterback a couple of years ago with the idea towards developing him for the future.

If Jerry had any common sense, he'd realize that a GM could be brought in, and be allowed to be the "bad guy", shielding Jerry from backlash when tough decisions need to be made. For example: At SOME POINT, the Cowboys are going to have to deal with the truth about Tony Romo. Hiring a GM to come in and dump Romo would allow Jerry to save face with Romo and with fans. But, because he's too close to the situation, he can't see it clearly.

What a tool.

majestrate
10-27-2012, 05:49 PM
I don't think the Cowgirls are trying to mimic the Texans. Vickers was trying to show some leadership on the team and give his guys inspiration, showing that he's seen the backups come in and perform at the level the team needed when the starter went down.

You know the old "jokes" where the stuffy-shirt, pretentious white guys are all rubbing elbows and one says to the other, "hey, I'm friends with a black guy", or, to be more up to date, how some straight guys say "gays aren't so bad, I have a few friends that are gay"? That's how we sound when we're talking about Cowgirl fans, at least that's how it sounds to me. Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing it out. Personally, when Hugo Weaver's character, Agent Smith, was "classifying the human species" in The Matrix, I think he was talking about Cowgirl fans ;) (and I do have a couple of friends that are Cowgirl fans)

CloakNNNdagger
10-27-2012, 06:30 PM
Jerry Jones loudly proclaims he has the best GM in the NFL. He says if you don't believe him, just ask the owner. :)

October 27, 2012
Jerry Jones says being owner leaves him free to risk losses as GM: 'I can ... come back for more'

One of the reasons Jerry Jones has job security as the Cowboys general manager is that he believes he is free to take risks, also being the owner.

“That is one of the luxuries of my position as owner as well as the ultimate decision maker, general manager and president – I can do that and take the losses and come back for more,” he said this week at Valley Ranch, talking about his management style.

“I have won with that style,” he said. “We are not managing a widow-woman’s retirement account here. In other words, to compete, I think we need to be aggressive. You play the game, you manage the game that way. You take some risks. When they don’t pay off, they look bad. That has happened.”link (http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2012/10/jerry-jones-says-being-owner-leaves-him-free-to-risk-losses-as-gm-i-can-come-back-for-more.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy)

Wolf
10-27-2012, 07:20 PM
Jerry hasn't pissed a drop since jimmy Johnson left(thanks to the Vikes)

The Pencil Neck
10-27-2012, 07:31 PM
Like I said a while back, the Dallas Cowboys are Jerry Jones playing the Billionaire's version of Madden. He can do anything he wants. He can put together the most hair-brained trades he can think of -- the same hair-brained trades that fans get ridiculed for suggesting -- and there's no real accountability.

Until he fires himself, he's only going to put a good, consistent team on the field by sheer luck. He's going to have a team packed with great talent that most people don't want and he's going to ignore positions of need because they aren't sexy. His coach is not going to be in control of the locker room because all a player has to do is get in good with the GM to over-ride him.

And I've got no problem with that. Have a blast, Jerry.

thunderkyss
10-28-2012, 01:14 AM
Thanks for the find and for posting the link.

That's some of the dumbest s--t I've ever heard. He's essentially saying: I'm my own boss, so, that allows for more risk-taking, and that risk-taking will eventually pan out.

That makes no sense for several reasons.

1) Checks-and-balances. Everyone needs someone else to stop them from making dumb mistakes (i.e. when he traded a first rounder to Detroit a few years ago for, I believe, Roy Williams).

2) Jerry is too emotional to be GM. GM's needs to be somewhat logical and detached. That's how smart one's stop themselves from making dumb mistakes.

3) His "risk taking" hasn't paid off yet. Obviously, it's time to try another approach, yes?

4) Most GM's have a strong background in scouting. That allows them to see a player's potential more clearly. If Jerry had a REAL GM, the Cowboys would be looking ahead to their quarterbacking future. A real GM would have drafted a decent quarterback a couple of years ago with the idea towards developing him for the future.

If Jerry had any common sense, he'd realize that a GM could be brought in, and be allowed to be the "bad guy", shielding Jerry from backlash when tough decisions need to be made. For example: At SOME POINT, the Cowboys are going to have to deal with the truth about Tony Romo. Hiring a GM to come in and dump Romo would allow Jerry to save face with Romo and with fans. But, because he's too close to the situation, he can't see it clearly.

What a tool.

I don't think Jerry has a problem getting talent. He's got & has had a talented team, he's had talented coaches.

His biggest problem is that he's a circus, therefore his organization is a circus. He's more focused on the brand & lately, the brand has been more important than winning.

& the Cowboy brand is as big now as it ever was, so as a businessman, he's not doing a bad job. But, he needs to put the business aside & be a GM. If he focuses on football, he'll be successful.

paycheck71
10-28-2012, 02:12 AM
I don't think Jerry has a problem getting talent. He's got & has had a talented team, he's had talented coaches.

His biggest problem is that he's a circus, therefore his organization is a circus. He's more focused on the brand & lately, the brand has been more important than winning.

& the Cowboy brand is as big now as it ever was, so as a businessman, he's not doing a bad job. But, he needs to put the business aside & be a GM. If he focuses on football, he'll be successful.

Jerry has a talented fantasy football team. He arguably has talent at skill positions but he disregards less glorious positions in the trenches. You build your team from inside out, not outside in. If you don't, you end up with the Cowboys, a team that can show flashes of brilliance, because they do have talented players, but also a team that can fall flat on its face because it is not fundamentally sound.

I agree that the Cowboy brand is as big as any, and if it does take a hit because of Jerry's incompetence as a GM, it will rebound as soon as the team shows new signs of improvement if a real GM is ever hired or if Jerry dies. I disagree that he needs to be the GM. He needs to stick with the business and hire a real GM. He WILL NOT be successful focusing on football... IMHO...

CloakNNNdagger
10-28-2012, 09:21 AM
I don't think Jerry has a problem getting talent. He's got & has had a talented team, he's had talented coaches.

His biggest problem is that he's a circus, therefore his organization is a circus. He's more focused on the brand & lately, the brand has been more important than winning.

& the Cowboy brand is as big now as it ever was, so as a businessman, he's not doing a bad job. But, he needs to put the business aside & be a GM. If he focuses on football, he'll be successful.

Jerruh to Fiddler: Thank you, Fiddler. I'm already pursuing Rex as HC. I've given him strict instructions to leave the NY circus behind........except for Tebow who should be a great inspiration for Tony to find G-d and the EZ.

CloakNNNdagger
10-28-2012, 09:41 AM
This is what happens when most of the people in the stadium are corporate or high roller prima donnas........the only ones that seem to be able to readily afford Jerruh's palace.

Dallas Cowboys send email to season-ticket holders asking fans to 'Stand Up and Shout' on third down

The Cowboys are 0-3 against the Giants at their new $1.2 billion stadium, but that might not be as embarrassing as this week’s “Stand Up and Shout” campaign that instructs their fans on how to cheer against the Giants.

In an email to season-ticket holders, the Dallas Cowboys Football Club touts a new third down graphic on the video board.

“When you see the video graphic playing on the video board, get on your feet and get LOUD! Together, we can make opposing teams dread coming to Cowboys Stadium,” the email says.link (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-insider-boys-beg-fans-stand-deliver-article-1.1193557)

That big TELEVISION says WHAT???

http://www.operatoday.com/rsys_25793_488ef843a7952.gif

StarStruck
10-28-2012, 02:23 PM
Interesting given I'm neither corporate nor Prima Donna. The mix could be surprising.

IDEXAN
10-28-2012, 05:44 PM
Perhaps the most revealing example of the mentality of the Cowboys' fans I've seen in recent years was the morning after the Saints won the SB and I was looking at various websites of national newspapers about the Saints victory.
And if you recall the whole thing with NOLA and Katrina back then, it made the Saints SB win more than a sports story, rather it transcended sports and was a social story about what the game meant to the city of NOLA and the surrounding area.
Anyway all of the national newspapers were running stories about what the victory meant to a beleaguered city until I got to to the Dallas Morning News website which took the Saints story and used it as a segway into how the Cowboys could turn their franchise around. In other words it was always about their team, the Cowboys who to themselves were still the center of the NFL universe even just hours after the great Saints victory which lifted a whole area still struggling to recover from a monumental natural disaster and for which the whole nation (except for one place) shared the joy of the victory with the city of NOLA and its fans.