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Kthx
10-25-2012, 08:18 PM
So first off I want to state I know this is awhile off but its the bye week so I have been thinking about some other random stuff related to the Texans.

If Mario Williams commanded a 100 million dollar contract (even if he was overpaid quite a bit) with his history of the being hurt and somewhat mediocre games what is JJ going to get when his contract comes time to renew. If he keeps up this level of play, if he is still this good in a few years do the Texans need to start saving up money to keep this guy this season? Who else is going to have to be a victim of our cap space problems in order to keep JJ, and how rough is the year leading up to his contract going to be as far as cutting some serious players from our roster. Again just a sorta random thought thread, take it as you may.

NCTexan
10-25-2012, 08:19 PM
I think he'll earn a huge contract. But I think he stays in Houston and I don't think he'll just go after the money. It's just the feeling I get from him.

ATXtexanfan
10-25-2012, 08:19 PM
this has crossed my mind also. i tell myself way to early and hopefully the cap moves up

Allstar
10-25-2012, 08:28 PM
None of us have any reason to fear JJ leaving. Watt will get a huge payday, and we'll give it to him. He's our franchise player, we will give him what he deserves. The thing to worry about is what it'll cost us elsewhere on the roster.

rolyat93
10-25-2012, 09:26 PM
2 and a half more years before we should start worrying about that. Smitty'll lock him up hopefully.

Premier
10-25-2012, 09:50 PM
i wish there was some rule in place where resigning players you drafted wouldnt hurt against your cap so much.. it would reward competent FO's for making good decisions..

BeerTastesLikeVictory
10-25-2012, 09:55 PM
I think he'll earn a huge contract. But I think he stays in Houston and I don't think he'll just go after the money. It's just the feeling I get from him.

Pretty much the same feeling I get. He will be the Andre of the defense, big payday but open to restructuring when needed for the betterment of the team.

Lurvinator11
10-25-2012, 10:14 PM
I seriously doubt Smith lets JJ go down to the last year of his contract. JJ will probably get a huge payday, somewhere around 10 mil a year or more, but I feel like he stays here in Houston. He loves it here, and I feel like he wants to prove all of the naysayers wrong and go down in our history. Also the front office has a knack for keeping players that are vital to our success. Watt is without a doubt, in the top ten percent when it comes to player who are vital to our success. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Watt is resigned a year before his original deal expires.

jppaul
10-25-2012, 10:33 PM
2 and a half more years before we should start worrying about that. Smitty'll lock him up hopefully.

I think he is an aj type player who McNair goes out of the way for.

Hervoyel
10-25-2012, 10:53 PM
Exactly how far in the future are we talking about?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Forbidden-PlanetWatt.jpg

PandapuffTexan
10-25-2012, 11:12 PM
doesnt cap go up if a team makes it to superbowl? isnt cap based off sales?

Allstar
10-25-2012, 11:26 PM
doesnt cap go up if a team makes it to superbowl? isnt cap based off sales?

http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

PandapuffTexan
10-25-2012, 11:42 PM
http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

thankyou pears are my faviote fruit

TexanSam
10-26-2012, 12:34 AM
Exactly how far in the future are we talking about?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Forbidden-PlanetWatt.jpg

That picture + your sig...I see what you did there.

Norg
10-26-2012, 05:23 AM
for watt means

Goodbye Shawn COdy

-anywayz i think over time anywayz these players will be gone since there not in the long term plans

- Brady jamies
-DObbins /SHarpton
- Conner barwin
-Manning

next years draft we are deff going to draft a Stud ILB and maybe FS and also maybe need a Stud NT

msbbc833
10-26-2012, 07:34 AM
for watt means

Goodbye Shawn COdy

-anywayz i think over time anywayz these players will be gone since there not in the long term plans

- Brady jamies
-DObbins /SHarpton
- Conner barwin
-Manning

next years draft we are deff going to draft a Stud ILB and maybe FS and also maybe need a Stud NT

What makes you think Manning will be gone?

TheIronDuke
10-26-2012, 08:25 AM
doesnt cap go up if a team makes it to superbowl? isnt cap based off sales?

What in the world?

TimeKiller
10-26-2012, 08:39 AM
Well, as much as we are all enjoying his success on the field, I believe he's still got at least 2 more years of ass kicking to do before a raise is in order. When it's time, the Texans will be the first to back up a Brinks truck to his house and hopefully he'll accept being buried under Benjamins. I don't care who they have to let go to keep him. He's already out doing Arian Foster AND Andre Johnson. He's a cornerstone now.

speedfreek
10-26-2012, 09:57 AM
Anyone notice how much Antonio Smith looks like Robbie the Robot?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Forbidden-PlanetWatt.jpg

TJ

Playoffs
10-26-2012, 10:05 AM
...if he is still this good in a few years do the Texans need to start saving up money to keep this guy this season?

Rumor has is Mr. McNair just bought one of these ... http://assets.unclutterer.com/wp-content/uploads/mt/070504-piggybank.jpg


doesnt cap go up if a team makes it to superbowl? isnt cap based off sales?
No they get Super Bowl caps. Free.

houstonspartan
10-26-2012, 10:49 AM
If JJ continues as he is, no way will Bob McNair ever - EVER - let him go. EVER. McNair will write JJ a blank check and tell him to fill in the amount.

JJ will remain a Texan for life.

The Pencil Neck
10-26-2012, 10:55 AM
doesnt cap go up if a team makes it to superbowl? isnt cap based off sales?

No.

beerlover
10-26-2012, 01:04 PM
So in retrospect JJ Watt has answered questions about his athleticism - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjtE7O1UBo

Lurvinator11
10-26-2012, 01:15 PM
for watt means

Goodbye Shawn COdy

-anywayz i think over time anywayz these players will be gone since there not in the long term plans

- Brady jamies
-DObbins /SHarpton
- Conner barwin
-Manning

next years draft we are deff going to draft a Stud ILB and maybe FS and also maybe need a Stud NT

Long term plans??

Smith signed Manning to a 5 year deal! That's pretty long term if you ask me.

As for Cody, I doubt his money would cut into watts. I'm not saying they will keep Cody, but if they do cut him, it won't be because they need the money for Watt. Cody just simply will not command much money up front.

The rest of your list will depend on if Wade stays here. If Dobbins does well, I think we keep him. He is cheap, and so is James. But idk how likely we are to keep him. He has improved though. I agree about Sharpton though. He was good, just can't stay healthy.

Oh, I forgot Barwin. If Barwin leaves, it is because he wouldn't sign on with us. He won't command much money as we thought he would, but it wouldn't surprise me if we don't resign him just because Merciless looks like he will be the starter next year. But that's next year. We still gotta worry about this year!

I do agree with you on the drafting. I think our top priority going in is an ILB that can play along side Cush. A FS in the third might be good, we could get Manning to teach him, and it would be good depth with Manning, and Nolan.

I don't know if we take a NT though. Wade enjoys the smaller guys, and Cody and Mitchell seem to fit what he wants to do. I guess we will see.

El Tejano
10-26-2012, 01:48 PM
There's a big difference between Mario's situation and Watts situation most likely?
I would say at this point Watt is playing healthy and at a way higher level than Mario has to start a season.
Also Mario had a lot of other players that were more impactful to the team heading into FA the following year which meant Mario had to be expendable.

So I would say it depends on the health of JJ + his impact to our team (can we play great D without him) + what's the FA situation for the team overall at that point.

beerlover
10-26-2012, 03:04 PM
There's a big difference between Mario's situation and Watts situation most likely?
I would say at this point Watt is playing healthy and at a way higher level than Mario has to start a season.
Also Mario had a lot of other players that were more impactful to the team heading into FA the following year which meant Mario had to be expendable.

So I would say it depends on the health of JJ + his impact to our team (can we play great D without him) + what's the FA situation for the team overall at that point.

OK. 200 million

Dutchrudder
10-26-2012, 04:58 PM
Is this the thread where everyone smokes crack and then posts?


Anyways, we don't have to worry about Watt going anywhere. He's a good guy, and is on a rookie deal for another few years. Rotoworld: 7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $11.23 million contract. The deal included a $6.67 million signing bonus. 2012: $885,795, 2013: $1,396,590, 2014: $1,907,385, 2015: Free Agent

"So watt will happen in 2015" you might ask, well lemme show you.

...
Contracts for first-round picks would be a fixed four years in length, with teams holding options for the fifth year. If the team chooses to exercise that option a year early, after the contract's third year, the fifth-year option salary is guaranteed to the player.

Each rookie would likely receive a standard slotted salary in the first four seasons, and then the option year's wage would depend on the player's draft slot.

The top 10 picks would receive a salary equal to the average of the top 10 salaries at their respective positions. Picks No. 11 through No. 32 would get the average of the Nos. 3 through 25 salaries at their positions.
Link (http://www.athlonsports.com/news/nfl-nflpa-finally-agree-rookie-salary-system)

Lucky for the Texans, Watt was pick number 11. So after his third year (2013/14 offseason), I expect the Texans to exercise this 5th year option on Watt and lock him down for an extra year for relatively cheap. In 2009-2010, the 3-25 total salary (bonuses included) average of defensive ends was 7.2 million. That number will be higher in 2015, and probably around 9 million.

Come 2016, who knows how much he will be worth then, but if he has several All-Pro honors, defensive player of the year, and possibly an MVP on his mantle, he could get a Mario Williams type of deal. Or he might just get franchised for 10+ million. Lots of options for the team to retain him, but that 5th year rookie option is very helpful to the team, as it works like an extra franchise tag, without actually using the tag. In any case, I can't see Watt getting away from the Texans, so I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy the season, and the seasons to come, Watt will be a Texan for a loooooong time.

ChampionTexan
10-26-2012, 05:03 PM
Is this the thread where everyone smokes crack and then posts?




The thread? As in singular? C'mon man!

Norg
10-26-2012, 06:26 PM
i just said manning cause i think that positon can be upgraded nothing on him hes pretty good but thats just how i feel plus hes a F/A and older and our team likes to Hit on a good young draft pick that they can mold fast into a starting position

if u can get more then half your team 2 -3 year vets that are starters that play at a highhhhhh level thats a plus and thats the goal not a team full of free agents

ObsiWan
10-26-2012, 06:32 PM
Exactly how far in the future are we talking about?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Forbidden-PlanetWatt.jpg

Repped for the modified Forbidden Planet poster.
(you know I'm a sucker for classic SciFi!)

Although a future J.J. Watt brings this dude to my mind...
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPieXoxbOLie35Gh_NihLz4-3czKMzqQvqZVWgFFZzLDq1ugN5http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRX92N8SgySC3zKvBjDdA6_Aal_Dr9CM v6mvNGDTYkCUXAvdC9W

He was from the future too, ya know...

and then there's that whole "man of few words" thing they have in common.
...and the haircut.

Allstar
10-26-2012, 08:27 PM
i just said manning cause i think that positon can be upgraded nothing on him hes pretty good but thats just how i feel plus hes a F/A and older and our team likes to Hit on a good young draft pick that they can mold fast into a starting position

if u can get more then half your team 2 -3 year vets that are starters that play at a highhhhhh level thats a plus and thats the goal not a team full of free agents

Norg, you have no idea what you're talking about.

houstonspartan
10-27-2012, 01:40 PM
Is this the thread where everyone smokes crack and then posts?


Anyways, we don't have to worry about Watt going anywhere. He's a good guy, and is on a rookie deal for another few years. Rotoworld: 7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $11.23 million contract. The deal included a $6.67 million signing bonus. 2012: $885,795, 2013: $1,396,590, 2014: $1,907,385, 2015: Free Agent

"So watt will happen in 2015" you might ask, well lemme show you.


Link (http://www.athlonsports.com/news/nfl-nflpa-finally-agree-rookie-salary-system)

Lucky for the Texans, Watt was pick number 11. So after his third year (2013/14 offseason), I expect the Texans to exercise this 5th year option on Watt and lock him down for an extra year for relatively cheap. In 2009-2010, the 3-25 total salary (bonuses included) average of defensive ends was 7.2 million. That number will be higher in 2015, and probably around 9 million.

Come 2016, who knows how much he will be worth then, but if he has several All-Pro honors, defensive player of the year, and possibly an MVP on his mantle, he could get a Mario Williams type of deal. Or he might just get franchised for 10+ million. Lots of options for the team to retain him, but that 5th year rookie option is very helpful to the team, as it works like an extra franchise tag, without actually using the tag. In any case, I can't see Watt getting away from the Texans, so I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy the season, and the seasons to come, Watt will be a Texan for a loooooong time.

Agree. Watt ain't going anywhere. Let's relax and enjoy him play.

GP
10-27-2012, 01:50 PM
Anyone notice how much Antonio Smith looks like Robbie the Robot?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Forbidden-PlanetWatt.jpg

TJ

Is that Mario Williams carrying a dead Charlie Casserly? LOL.

Vinny
10-27-2012, 02:08 PM
So first off I want to state I know this is awhile off but its the bye week so I have been thinking about some other random stuff related to the Texans.

If Mario Williams commanded a 100 million dollar contract (even if he was overpaid quite a bit) with his history of the being hurt and somewhat mediocre games what is JJ going to get when his contract comes time to renew. If he keeps up this level of play, if he is still this good in a few years do the Texans need to start saving up money to keep this guy this season? Who else is going to have to be a victim of our cap space problems in order to keep JJ, and how rough is the year leading up to his contract going to be as far as cutting some serious players from our roster. Again just a sorta random thought thread, take it as you may.
teams tend to lock up guys they want and let the guys like Mario walk...at least the ones that make good decisions. Fortunately our team seems to be one of them currently.

On the greater topic of cost...a league MVP type of player will make serious bank. It's ok to pay those guys because they are worth it. Where you get into trouble is paying guys like David Carr top dollar (or Mario Williams) and getting average player return on investment (c-Buffalo). When you do this kind of stuff you end up letting quality go to keep overpaid crap.

houstonspartan
10-27-2012, 04:37 PM
teams tend to lock up guys they want and let the guys like Mario walk...at least the ones that make good decisions. Fortunately our team seems to be one of them currently.

On the greater topic of cost...a league MVP type of player will make serious bank. It's ok to pay those guys because they are worth it. Where you get into trouble is paying guys like David Carr top dollar (or Mario Williams) and getting average player return on investment (c-Buffalo). When you do this kind of stuff you end up letting quality go to keep overpaid crap.

True. However, bad and mediocre teams often have to overpay to get players. It's the vicious cycle of bad team-itis. The Texans were on that treadmill for several years, and the Bills are currently there. Chicago passed on Mario because they could.

beerlover
10-27-2012, 05:19 PM
teams tend to lock up guys they want and let the guys like Mario walk...at least the ones that make good decisions. Fortunately our team seems to be one of them currently.

On the greater topic of cost...a league MVP type of player will make serious bank. It's ok to pay those guys because they are worth it. Where you get into trouble is paying guys like David Carr top dollar (or Mario Williams) and getting average player return on investment. When you do this kind of stuff you end up letting quality go to keep overpaid crap.

Rep 4 overpaid crap :faildetector:

TdotTexas2Step
10-27-2012, 05:37 PM
If Watt keeps up his pace, he'll be the the first defensive player to win league MVP since LT in the 80s. That fact alone will give his agent all the fuel he needs to have Watt's contract restructured in the near future.

beerlover
10-27-2012, 07:16 PM
If the McNair's are serious about retaining JJ Watt is minority stake ownership out of the question?

Big Lou
10-27-2012, 07:27 PM
OK. 200 million

I just crunched the numbers and if Mario is worth 100 million, then Watt is worth 6.7 trillion dollars.......

The Pencil Neck
10-27-2012, 07:40 PM
I just crunched the numbers and if Mario is worth 100 million, then Watt is worth 6.7 trillion dollars.......

Let's file that under "Reports We Don't Want JJ Watt to See."

:texflag:

houstonspartan
10-27-2012, 08:26 PM
If the McNair's are serious about retaining JJ Watt is minority stake ownership out of the question?

LOL. Well, I'm sure that McNair will be interested in keeping JJ, but, I doubt if he will give up minority ownership in a billion dollar corporation.

rush2112mn
10-28-2012, 11:09 AM
You don't know what his health is going to be in the future....what kind of production he will have depending on his health.....his defensive coodinator.....ect ect ect......too soon for this thread.....you need to wait a few years before starting to think about this one.....

EllisUnit
10-28-2012, 06:10 PM
You don't know what his health is going to be in the future....what kind of production he will have depending on his health.....his defensive coodinator.....ect ect ect......too soon for this thread.....you need to wait a few years before starting to think about this one.....

Hopefully rick smith dont think like you....:kitten:

Dutchrudder
10-29-2012, 01:30 PM
If Watt keeps up his pace, he'll be the the first defensive player to win league MVP since LT in the 80s. That fact alone will give his agent all the fuel he needs to have Watt's contract restructured in the near future.

Rookie contracts cannot be restructured. The player can be cut, traded, extended, or franchised, that's it. The Texans and everyone on this board, has no need to worry about Watt until 2014. Just enjoy the season, no reason to worry or get all gloomy about the team's finances right now. We can deal with all that in the offseason.

If the McNair's are serious about retaining JJ Watt is minority stake ownership out of the question?

I assume this is a joke because even Tom Brady isn't worth giving a minority stake of ownership.

ChampionTexan
10-29-2012, 02:11 PM
Rookie contracts cannot be restructured. The player can be cut, traded, extended, or franchised, that's it. The Texans and everyone on this board, has no need to worry about Watt until 2014. Just enjoy the season, no reason to worry or get all gloomy about the team's finances right now. We can deal with all that in the offseason.


They can't be restructured until after their third contract year (which might be what you're saying when you reference 2014, but it could potentially be prior to the 2014 season).

Dutchrudder
10-29-2012, 05:05 PM
They can't be restructured until after their third contract year (which might be what you're saying when you reference 2014, but it could potentially be prior to the 2014 season).

Yeah, but even still, the team probably isn't going to restructure his 4th year unless he holds out. He's scheduled to make 1.9 million in salary and count 1.68 million in signing bonus against the cap that year, and I expect him to get some playtime bonuses to raise that total over 4 million that year. The 5th year 1st round option should pay him about 7-9 million, and then they could franchise him for his 6th year if needed. I seriously doubt JJ Watt holds out, but I suppose he could. In any case, it shouldn't be a concern of anyone until he at least hints at doing so.

welsh texan
10-30-2012, 02:23 AM
Yeah, but even still, the team probably isn't going to restructure his 4th year unless he holds out. He's scheduled to make 1.9 million in salary and count 1.68 million in signing bonus against the cap that year, and I expect him to get some playtime bonuses to raise that total over 4 million that year. The 5th year 1st round option should pay him about 7-9 million, and then they could franchise him for his 6th year if needed. I seriously doubt JJ Watt holds out, but I suppose he could. In any case, it shouldn't be a concern of anyone until he at least hints at doing so.

I was of the impression that hold-outs etc are now difficult for guys on rookie contracts to pull.

Who's got the option on the 5th year? Club, player, or both? I could imagine that being a tricky situation if Watt's performance continues at the same rate.

Norg
10-30-2012, 03:57 AM
Norg, you have no idea what you're talking about.

yeah i do our team builds through the draft and from here on out will rarely splurge in Free agency Rick has long terms plans on our team to mimmic on building it like the steelers and packers teams that have longevity may not win the SB every year but get to at least 9 wins every year


the only reason we did it 2 years ago is because the Kubes regime was at risk of well going away

welsh texan
10-30-2012, 04:30 AM
yeah i do our team builds through the draft and from here on out will rarely splurge in Free agency Rick has long terms plans on our team to mimmic on building it like the steelers and packers teams that have longevity may not win the SB every year but get to at least 9 wins every year


the only reason we did it 2 years ago is because the Kubes regime was at risk of well going away

Norg, I'm gonna rep this post. You actually appear literate in it. Please keep this up. I know we're in a text-talk generation and everything but most of your posts are literally a chore to read.

Just a little bit of punctuation and I think you'd get a much better reception round here.

Norg
10-30-2012, 05:27 AM
Norg, I'm gonna rep this post. You actually appear literate in it. Please keep this up. I know we're in a text-talk generation and everything but most of your posts are literally a chore to read.

Just a little bit of punctuation and I think you'd get a much better reception round here.

"""know we're in a text-talk generation """" nuff said u must realize most kids my age and the younger kids now........... punctuation is a dying Art form esp on the internet

the only time i would ever work on punctuation is if im doing a english essay LOL

Dutchrudder
10-30-2012, 11:15 AM
I was of the impression that hold-outs etc are now difficult for guys on rookie contracts to pull.

Who's got the option on the 5th year? Club, player, or both? I could imagine that being a tricky situation if Watt's performance continues at the same rate.

Holdouts for drafted rookies to sign their first deal pretty much won't happen any more (ala Crabtree). Chris Johnson "I'm underpaid but still on my rookie contract" type holdouts can occur, but teams can't increase the money until after the third season. As it stands now, JJ Watt will definitely be playing under his rookie deal for at least another two years, but the team could choose to modify the 4th year to give him some more cash. I don't really see that happening, since the front office waited forever to pay Ryans and OD.

Since JJ was a first round pick, and in the 11-32 range, there is a 5th round team option to add another year to his deal. That cost will be the average salary of the 3-25 players at DE for that year. I'm guessing that will be about 7-9 million. Not a bad deal for him or the team, he gets some more money and he doesn't break the Texans' bank. After that, they will franchise tag him at worst, or sign him to a good long term deal at best. Either way, he's not leaving the team.

The Pencil Neck
10-30-2012, 11:42 AM
"""know we're in a text-talk generation """" nuff said u must realize most kids my age and the younger kids now........... punctuation is a dying Art form esp on the internet

the only time i would ever work on punctuation is if im doing a english essay LOL

And most of your posts will be continued to be ignored until you do. Most of the time, your posts don't make any sense. You could be saying this, you could be saying that. Without punctuation, you know what you're trying to say but no one else does.

When you're texting, you can get away with some things. Your posts are shorter and the fact that it's a different message means there's a period in there.

Hervoyel
10-30-2012, 12:06 PM
Hey, I gotta admit that I read them just for the "Norg-Speak". I used to find them annoying and difficult to understand. Lately though I think he's been making a little more sense (or I'm getting better at operating my Enigma machine) and I take on sorting it all out as a kind of game.

Dutchrudder
10-30-2012, 01:58 PM
"""know we're in a text-talk generation """" nuff said u must realize most kids my age and the younger kids now........... punctuation is a dying Art form esp on the internet

the only time i would ever work on punctuation is if im doing a english essay LOL

Translation:

I know we're in a text-talk generation and everything but most of your posts are literally a chore to read.

Enough said my friend! I implore you to consider my position that most children my age and even younger pupils nowadays, simply do not hold punctuation in the high regard that it once was. It was once an art form to cohesively convey your thoughts towards one another through pen and paper, and it was extremely important to do so given the limited parameters of communication. However, since the advent of the internet, people take for granted the immense amount of information that can be transferred among individuals at such great speeds. Rather than taking the time to tailor their message to comply with MLA or AMA guidelines, they spew out the garbled, incoherent and oft times rambling thoughts with a smattering of seemingly random keys, and hope to get their point across. If this does not work, they simply follow up with another somewhat more coherent message to try to explain the first.

I prefer to not concern myself with the overhead of mind numbing punctuation standards, unless of course I'm being graded. Then, and only then, will I apply my brain cells to worry about commas and periods! I appreciate your concern sir, and I shall heed your complaint, but I cannot promise I shall comply with your request. Good day to you!