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Texanmike02
10-21-2012, 06:28 PM
Just thought it was worth saying. Schaub made plays. Other than his overthrow of Walter he played real well. Anyone think we are still fools gold?

Mike

Playoffs
10-21-2012, 06:31 PM
He he, well played.

We still have plenty of stuff to clean up, but yeah we're on the right track.

DBCooper
10-21-2012, 06:33 PM
Just thought it was worth saying. Schaub made plays. Other than his overthrow of Walter he played real well. Anyone think we are still fools gold?

Mike

Lol

Corrosion
10-21-2012, 06:35 PM
He he, well played.

We still have plenty of stuff to clean up, but yeah we're on the right track.

Now you sound like Kubiak.

Schaub had a lot of help from his recievers today , they made some really tough catches. OD's TD , AJ had to climb the ladder for one , Walter laid out on one that had it been on target he strolled to the endzone and Graham's int saving tip / catch.

He also had two others way off target , both to Walter.

AFS
10-21-2012, 06:45 PM
Now you sound like Kubiak.

Schaub had a lot of help from his recievers today , they made some really tough catches. OD's TD , AJ had to climb the ladder for one , Walter laid out on one that had it been on target he strolled to the endzone and Graham's int saving tip / catch.

He also had two others way off target , both to Walter.

Don't forget Graham tipping the ball to himself. I almost had a heart attack on that play; tipping balls almost never goes well.

Lurvinator11
10-21-2012, 06:49 PM
Fools gold? I think not!

amazing80
10-21-2012, 06:49 PM
It was my first game today and let me tell your that you miss a lot from the tv view compared to live. Schaub misses WIDE open people a lot. It's like he does 2 reads and that's it. Pretty bad to watch live. IMO

dream_team
10-21-2012, 06:56 PM
Too bad I don't trust Marciano.

Surreal McCoy
10-21-2012, 06:59 PM
No DTE sightings today, then?

Norg
10-21-2012, 07:00 PM
Too bad I don't trust Marciano.

amen to that


But yeah i speak like Kubes we played well started off kinda slow got some things to clean up but lets enjoy this win and get some rest and on to Buffalo

Jackie Chiles
10-21-2012, 07:02 PM
No DTE sightings today, then?

Whats the over/under on him showing his face this week I wonder?

Fred
10-21-2012, 07:02 PM
I think 99% of folks trust Schaubiak. The guy who started that other silly thread was just trying to stir people up.

Other than his overthrow of Walter he played real well.

Even since day one people here have been whining that Schaub doesn't have the arm strength to overthrow receivers who are open deep. So maybe he overthrew him on purpose.

Now you sound like Kubiak.



No, he didn't use the word "kids".

ATXtexanfan
10-21-2012, 07:04 PM
It was my first game today and let me tell your that you miss a lot from the tv view compared to live. Schaub misses WIDE open people a lot. It's like he does 2 reads and that's it. Pretty bad to watch live. IMO

This is true

burro
10-21-2012, 07:19 PM
Matt Schaub (2008-Present)

2012 (7 Games) 63.1% comp, 1650 yards, 7.4 YPP, 10 TD 4 INT, 93.1 RAT
2011 (10 Games) 61.0% comp, 2479 yards, 8.5 YPP, 15 TD 9 INT, 96.8 RAT
2010 (16 games) 63.6% comp, 4370 yards, 7.6 YPP, 24 TD 12 INT, 92.0 RAT
2009 (16 games) 67.9% comp, 4770 yards, 8.2 YPP, 29 TD 15 INT, 98.6 RAT
2008 (11 games) 66.1% comp, 3043 yards, 8.0 YPP, 15 TD 10 INT, 92.7 RAT

Yeah, I trust him.

Texanmike02
10-21-2012, 07:20 PM
It was my first game today and let me tell your that you miss a lot from the tv view compared to live. Schaub misses WIDE open people a lot. It's like he does 2 reads and that's it. Pretty bad to watch live. IMO

Sit field level in the end zone. It is one thing to have open receivers, it is another to have an open throwing lane and be positioned to throw the ball to them.

Mike

Playoffs
10-21-2012, 07:28 PM
Matt Schaub (2008-Present)

2012 (7 Games) 63.1% comp, 1650 yards, 7.4 YPP, 10 TD 4 INT, 93.1 RAT
2011 (10 Games) 61.0% comp, 2479 yards, 8.5 YPP, 15 TD 9 INT, 96.8 RAT
2010 (16 games) 63.6% comp, 4370 yards, 7.6 YPP, 24 TD 12 INT, 92.0 RAT
2009 (16 games) 67.9% comp, 4770 yards, 8.2 YPP, 29 TD 15 INT, 98.6 RAT
2008 (11 games) 66.1% comp, 3043 yards, 8.0 YPP, 15 TD 10 INT, 92.7 RAT

Yeah, I trust him.

Don't try to confuse us with facts...

http://literalminded.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg

Texanmike02
10-21-2012, 07:36 PM
Whats the over/under on him showing his face this week I wonder?

Lol. He won't show up until we lose again. He even neg dropped me on the way out lol. He didn't like my real men of genius.

Right now hes posting an "I don't trust HARBAUGH and FLACCO" thread.



Mike

DBCooper
10-21-2012, 08:00 PM
Lol. He won't show up until we lose again. He even neg dropped me on the way out lol. He didn't like my real men of genius.

Right now hes posting an "I don't trust HARBAUGH and FLACCO" thread.



Mike

Nah, he's drowning his sorrows because his team whipped some Raven ass!

Jackie Chiles
10-21-2012, 08:05 PM
Lol. He won't show up until we lose again. He even neg dropped me on the way out lol. He didn't like my real men of genius.

Right now hes posting an "I don't trust HARBAUGH and FLACCO" thread.



Mike

I'm sure he will be back at some point spouting off how we won't win the big game acting like its a difficult thing to pick the field to win a Super Bowl vs one team.

TejasTom
10-21-2012, 08:09 PM
... He didn't like my real men of genius.

Mike

your real men of genius was great.

DaTruthExplodes
10-21-2012, 10:01 PM
*thread subscribed*

Lets see how we do in the playoffs. I hope nobody else gets injured so there will be no more excuses for kubiak & schaub.

Anything less than a superbowl appearance is a failure imo.

hradhak
10-21-2012, 10:08 PM
Schaub has gotten better every season. He seems to be making better decisions every year. I think he understands that he doesn't have to win every game. Some games he just has to manage. I think 3-4 years ago when he was forced to win everything, it was too much to ask of him (and 90% of QBs in the league). He's not Brady, Manning, or Rodgers, but he's in the discussion for the top 10.

eriadoc
10-21-2012, 10:16 PM
Just to keep some perspective, here's the sort of faith people have in Kubiak, in real time, from the gameday thread, pages 4 through 6:

Another draw play....

Ok, Stop running the ball. Pass a little bit.

Lol. Kubiak...WTF is this...

Let the borderline elite qb air it out

C'mon with this ****ty playcalling man!

Not sure they can get much more conservative. Especially when they've jumped out with the big downfield plays.

Their script sucks ass.

This completely blows. **** this **** and **** you Kubiak!

I feel like the Capers teams, run run pass punt.

Yayyyyyy. More than 3 yards on first down!

Thanks for waking up Kubes!

3rd and long draw AGAIN

3rd and 18 and you call a RUNNING play:mariopalm:


WTF

Another draw play....

Typical Kubiak playcalling. Can't say I'm surprised.

The game ended up with the best possible result, but let's not pretend like people are trusting Kubiak completely. But I so applaud the spirit of the thread. :)

Lurvinator11
10-21-2012, 10:22 PM
Just to keep some perspective, here's the sort of faith people have in Kubiak, in real time, from the gameday thread, pages 4 through 6:




















The game ended up with the best possible result, but let's not pretend like people are trusting Kubiak completely. But I so applaud the spirit of the thread. :)


Lol, I still had the bad taste of last week still in my mouth.



I feel a lot better now after seeing the whole game play out.

:barman:

eriadoc
10-21-2012, 10:38 PM
Lol, I still had the bad taste of last week still in my mouth.

I feel a lot better now after seeing the whole game play out.


I hear ya! I do as well. The frustration of the moment leads to honesty though, and I think it's evident that a lot of people do not trust Kubiak at least, and perhaps Schaub. No one posted in the early time period of the game thread anything resembling "In Kubiak We Trust", heh.

MEGA SWATT
10-21-2012, 10:41 PM
^ true. I was calling him out and the whole offense too in the early going. Thank God they settled down.

Wolf
10-21-2012, 10:50 PM
I do get frustrated sometimes early on but then I Figure Kubiak is using the scripted plays to set things up for later.so I try to give it a little time

buddyboy
10-21-2012, 11:17 PM
*thread subscribed*

Lets see how we do in the playoffs. I hope nobody else gets injured so there will be no more excuses for kubiak & schaub.

Anything less than a superbowl appearance is a failure imo.

"Yes, we are 5-0, but it looks like fool's gold to me. We havent played anybody that you can say is a great team. We should beat Green Bay but the pack are not the same and are injured. Baltimore should provide a stiff test but i feel like we have to beat the patriots in order for our greatness to be verified."

First, we're supposed to beat Baltimore/New England for our greatness to be verified. Now it's Superbowl or nothing? Explain to me how THIS season's 6-1 reeks of fools gold to you still.

Perki-Perk
10-21-2012, 11:17 PM
Hats off to Kubiak not calling his standard game too. The man knew the fans wanted to see us come out and prove we deserve the top spot, and he went to the air after we had the game in hand. Well played, Coach. You fooled me on a few plays today and it was nice to see some different stuff come out of the playbook. Now I know we have something for Chicago and is it just me, or does the rest of the AFC look like a cakewalk?

Jackie Chiles
10-22-2012, 01:02 AM
*thread subscribed*

Lets see how we do in the playoffs. I hope nobody else gets injured so there will be no more excuses for kubiak & schaub.

Anything less than a superbowl appearance is a failure imo.

That's horse crap. Winning a Superbowl requires more than having a great team. Often it requires more than having the best team, the best coaching etc. Luck and chance play vital roles in determining champions. All the Texans or any other team can do is put themselves in legitimate contention. If you do this year after year eventually you MIGHT win one. Maybe you might win more than one.

Right now you could make a list of the top 5 contenders to win the Superbowl and probably give each of them about a 10% chance to bag a Lombardi. So if we fail to achieve this difficult goal you are going to ***** and moan and call everyone else homers and say "I told you so" blah blah blah when all you did was pick a 90% winner. There's nothing to it man.

How about this: You pick 1 team to win the Superbowl. Call your shot. Can be the Texans if you want it to be, certainly doesn't have to be. But you only get to pick 1 team. And if that team doesn't win the Superbowl we can all call you an idiot for thinking said team had any shot to begin with. Cause that's pretty much all you are doing.

Norg
10-22-2012, 01:34 AM
he was more agressive today i thought when we had like a 2+ score lead i expected him to be like ok we can play power football we are going to run this ball and kill the clock but nope we kept on passing it alot

but hey it worked kinda ..so whatever

idk im ol school when we have a big lead im like Run RUN RUN and when its 3rd down a 3 im like RUN IMO short pass plays are so much harder to do then a 3rd and 3 and heck if u get like a 4th and inches u can RUN it again

i just go back to the indy game 2 years ago were we ran it like 8 times in a row RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN we kept on running till they could stop it

Goatcheese
10-22-2012, 07:39 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1021/nfl_u_schaub_gb1_576.jpg

Two dudes who don't seem to mind Kubiak's playcalling.

thunderkyss
10-22-2012, 09:50 AM
Schaub has gotten better every season. He seems to be making better decisions every year. I think he understands that he doesn't have to win every game. Some games he just has to manage. I think 3-4 years ago when he was forced to win everything, it was too much to ask of him (and 90% of QBs in the league). He's not Brady, Manning, or Rodgers, but he's in the discussion for the top 10.

I think this was one of Schaub's best games. This is what he has to do to get us where we want to go. Don't just accept that no one is open, make something happen.

He did a great job today, moving around in the pocket & keeping his eyes down field. The touchdown to Walter would have been a sack, but he sidestepped the rusher, stayed tall & threw a strike.

Then there was that play where he flushed to his right, with Ngata (I think) nipping at his heels. Didn't throw a perfect ball, but gave Andre an opportunity to make a play. He did & we stayed on the field.

We need to see more of that.

2012Champs
10-22-2012, 09:56 AM
Sit field level in the end zone. It is one thing to have open receivers, it is another to have an open throwing lane and be positioned to throw the ball to them.

Mike



Spot on. Its much easier to sit in the stands with a cold bud and call out open people

thunderkyss
10-22-2012, 10:00 AM
It was my first game today and let me tell your that you miss a lot from the tv view compared to live. Schaub misses WIDE open people a lot. It's like he does 2 reads and that's it. Pretty bad to watch live. IMO

You ever hear that saying, that when you are looking for something, it is always in the last place you looked?


Have you ever figured out why that was?


Think about it.

Maddict5
10-22-2012, 10:03 AM
*thread subscribed*

Lets see how we do in the playoffs. I hope nobody else gets injured so there will be no more excuses for kubiak & schaub.

Anything less than a superbowl appearance is a failure imo.

how can you have such high expectations when the texans have a crappy HC & qb? :rolleyes:

Texanmike02
10-22-2012, 10:36 AM
Spot on. Its much easier to sit in the stands with a cold bud and call out open people

Its not just that it is "easier" to call people out, you don't have the vantage point of the QB. Last year I sat in row 10 of the endzone for the Titans game. I've sat low on the sidelines before and all over the 500-600s and it is just not as simple as "that guy is open, throw it to him". Batted balls, ability to set and throw all figure into getting rid of the ball. If you can't get anything on your throw then the receiver is NOT open. Sure, it may work at the HS level. Everybody on the defense runs sub 5 second 40's. You cannot throw a duck, those get returned for pick sixes. You can't throw if there is no lane either. Watt has 4 passes deflected that have been intercepted. A tip ball is about 50/50 to be a turnover. I'm not calling him out for saying it either, I'm just pointing out that just because there isn't a defender within 10 yards of a guy doesn't mean it is a smart throw.

Mike

Texanmike02
10-22-2012, 10:55 AM
*thread subscribed*

Lets see how we do in the playoffs. I hope nobody else gets injured so there will be no more excuses for kubiak & schaub.

Anything less than a superbowl appearance is a failure imo.

What? How do you arrive at that conclusion? Is it because we just have more talent than any team in the AFC? Do you just assume we will catch every break? If you think that it is because of our talent then your statement that "I don't trust KUBIAK", then you cannot say that "superbowl or bust". Same with your QB. If you don't trust your QB then how can you determine that it is superbowl or bust.

You are already declaring that we're in the playoffs. Notice that is in week 7? You are declaring, in week 7, that you don't trust your head coach or your QB but anything other than a Superbowl apperance is a failure? This doesn't pass the smell test. That is like saying "I don't trust our RB, if he doesn't rush for 1900 yards then he is a failure."

Seriously, you should maybe look into being a Saints fan. They are underachieving this year and would provide plenty of opportunity for you to ***** about things.

Mike

2012Champs
10-22-2012, 11:01 AM
Its not just that it is "easier" to call people out, you don't have the vantage point of the QB. Last year I sat in row 10 of the endzone for the Titans game. I've sat low on the sidelines before and all over the 500-600s and it is just not as simple as "that guy is open, throw it to him". Batted balls, ability to set and throw all figure into getting rid of the ball. If you can't get anything on your throw then the receiver is NOT open. Sure, it may work at the HS level. Everybody on the defense runs sub 5 second 40's. You cannot throw a duck, those get returned for pick sixes. You can't throw if there is no lane either. Watt has 4 passes deflected that have been intercepted. A tip ball is about 50/50 to be a turnover. I'm not calling him out for saying it either, I'm just pointing out that just because there isn't a defender within 10 yards of a guy doesn't mean it is a smart throw.

Mike



I said it was easier to call out "open" people sitting in the stands drinking beer not call out board members

Texanmike02
10-22-2012, 11:04 AM
I said it was easier to call out "open" people sitting in the stands drinking beer not call out board members

We're on the same page man. I wasn't arguing, I was trying to explain it for the guy that wrote the post.

Mike

Goldensilence
10-22-2012, 12:05 PM
I dunno about Kubiak as a HC, but I do trust him in the way he's built this offense. I think some people are asking what's wrong with AJ because he's not putting up pro-bowl numbers, but the truth is this really is a run first team. IMO this is Arian Foster's offense; he makes it go, which is why he deservedly got the extension and I was relieved. I still don't think overall there's a better back in the league.

I will say this about Matt Schaub, the dude has really impressed me this year. Something is different, I dunno if it was seeing this team going on a run without him and winning a playoff but, something is different. He's cut down on mistakes and is it just me or am I seeing more ZIP than I used to on some throws? I mean that one throw to OD for a TD was on a line. There's been a few others where I have seen better arm strength than in the past. Am I seeing things?

michaelm
10-22-2012, 12:13 PM
It was my first game today and let me tell your that you miss a lot from the tv view compared to live. Schaub misses WIDE open people a lot. It's like he does 2 reads and that's it. Pretty bad to watch live. IMO

It could just be a simple as Schuab knowing more than you do. And I don't mean that as an insult to you.
Let me explain. During the game yesterday, Schaub hit AJ on a roughly 9 yard out on the right sideline. My buddies were screaming because Kevin Walter appeared to be wide open on a corner route to the same side. I agreed with them at the time that Walter looked quite open, but my very strong impression was that Ed Reed was sitting on that route and bating Schaub to throw it. I know I could easily be mistaken, but Reed has a reputation for doing that, and I believe that he was doing it on that play. For reference, our seats are in the end zone (600 level) looking straight down the middle of the field, so you can really see entire plays develop.

eriadoc
10-22-2012, 12:25 PM
I dunno about Kubiak as a HC ...

I think that's the biggest issue people have with Kubiak. I've never heard anyone come out and say that the ZBS and running scheme is awful, and those freakin' bootlegs are awful, and we need to stop with the crossing routes, and stop throwing to the damn TEs .... LOL. We all love Kubiak's offense. We're just not that confident he's a good HEAD coach.

PandapuffTexan
10-22-2012, 12:32 PM
after the packers game there was serious concern we couldnt play from behind and shaub couldnt gun it out that he must have the running game. Idk if anyone else noticed but we didnt pound the run game. we won the game thru the air which is very encouraging.

2012Champs
10-22-2012, 12:35 PM
I think that's the biggest issue people have with Kubiak. I've never heard anyone come out and say that the ZBS and running scheme is awful, and those freakin' bootlegs are awful, and we need to stop with the crossing routes, and stop throwing to the damn TEs .... LOL. We all love Kubiak's offense. We're just not that confident he's a good HEAD coach.



If you have a really good OC and really good DC maybe it just works out.

2012Champs
10-22-2012, 12:36 PM
after the packers game there was serious concern we couldnt play from behind and shaub couldnt gun it out that he must have the running game. Idk if anyone else noticed but we didnt pound the run game. we won the game thru the air which is very encouraging.



I think how well we played on defense was a better showing than our offense given the ravens issues on D. However I was glad when the Ravens scored 10 on two drives in a row the Texans posted 14 to answer each of those drives

PandapuffTexan
10-22-2012, 12:41 PM
I think how well we played on defense was a better showing than our offense given the ravens issues on D. However I was glad when the Ravens scored 10 on two drives in a row the Texans posted 14 to answer each of those drives

ya and some the catches the defense made were down right amazing you can tell they played with all there heart...injurys or not scoring 43 on the ravens is not a easy task

thunderkyss
10-22-2012, 12:44 PM
I think how well we played on defense was a better showing than our offense given the ravens issues on D. However I was glad when the Ravens scored 10 on two drives in a row the Texans posted 14 to answer each of those drives

The offense held the ball for 38:16

That's what took Ray Rice out of the game. Jjo's pick 6 is what sealed the deal. From that point, the Ravens started looking for the big plays because they weren't getting the ball we were hogging it.

We didn't have a bunch of big plays, or quick scoring possessions. But for the offense to grind it out & methodically march down the field, that's what has taken the run game out of every game this year. Not our defense.

Our defense is awesome. They make the QB work & force mistakes. But we're capitalizing on those mistakes by controlling the ball offensively.

PandapuffTexan
10-22-2012, 12:47 PM
The offense held the ball for 38:16

That's what took Ray Rice out of the game. Jjo's pick 6 is what sealed the deal. From that point, the Ravens started looking for the big plays because they weren't getting the ball we were hogging it.

We didn't have a bunch of big plays, or quick scoring possessions. But for the offense to grind it out & methodically march down the field, that's what has taken the run game out of every game this year. Not our defense.

Our defense is awesome. They make the QB work & force mistakes. But we're capitalizing on those mistakes by controlling the ball offensively.

even without cushing its supriising we still have a dominant defense, iamgine the bandwagon fans if we beat the patriots by 20 plus

2012Champs
10-22-2012, 12:59 PM
The offense held the ball for 38:16

That's what took Ray Rice out of the game. Jjo's pick 6 is what sealed the deal. From that point, the Ravens started looking for the big plays because they weren't getting the ball we were hogging it.

We didn't have a bunch of big plays, or quick scoring possessions. But for the offense to grind it out & methodically march down the field, that's what has taken the run game out of every game this year. Not our defense.

Our defense is awesome. They make the QB work & force mistakes. But we're capitalizing on those mistakes by controlling the ball offensively.



Yeah we didnt have any quick plays and something like 3 20 yard passing plays but we didnt need anything quick so I think it went realy well.

Texanmike02
10-22-2012, 03:24 PM
Not sure that I understand "not trusting" Kubiak or Schaub. Unless you say that because you don't trust anyone that hasn't won a SB. Of the teams that aren't "verified winners" (which I will assume means they have won a SB) who's situation is better than ours? Atlanta? By the way, since his first playoff game how has Atl looked in the playoffs?

I just don't get it. Are you citing Kubiak's first few years with this team? Prior 09 were we in a position to compete at all? If you want to say that Kubiak shouldn't be trusted to hire his DC, I'm ok with that. What other issue can you take with him? Are you really going to hold his first two or three years against him? 2-14? Were you expecting 10 wins the next season? Lets look at this team since 2009. That would be the year that we really had the talent to compete. Since 09 we are 31-24. If we lose 3 more games that will put us at 37-27 overall and 12-4 for the season. That will mean that in 3 of the last 4 years we will have won 9 or more games and 2 of the 4 we will have won 10 or more.

What about player progression? Is Foster progressing? What about our young receivers? Prior to 09 how many times did you hear about other teams targeting our free agents? It just didn't happen. We are bringing in free agents too. Joseph, Manning? Those were big names. Oh, and we're drafting well too. So going into the playoffs are you going to clown this team for winning 10 and 12 games successively? What if we make it to the AFCCG? If we lose there this season is a failure? By what measure? 29 teams would love to be in your position.

Pittsburgh? Balt? NE? GB? NO? This isn't a SF of the late 90's that has mortgaged our future for a year or two of extra glory. I just don't understand the grief. Has Kubiak made mistakes and mishandled the clock in the past? Sure. Has Schaub made mistakes in the past? Sure. In the last 2 1/2 years how has he looked? In 2010 our defense was a diasaster. On offense though, we were actually pretty clutch. It was our DEFENSE that let us down, multiple times. We don't have that problem now.

Other than a few anecdotal stories about a few one off mistakes about how kubiak has handled the game, give me a serious reason to mistrust him. He seems to have learned from his mistakes. We don't have to try to "get away" with anything anymore and he coaches like it. It is easy to go back to the HB pass from a few years ago and malign that decision but the reality is we didn't have the talent to compete with the elite teams in the league. We had to pull out all of the stops to win and hope that some kind of trickery worked. We are not that team any more. We have the best talent on the field most of the time and this is a team that plays like it. The GB game looks like the perfect storm right now and this team looks like a power house.

Mike

Texanmike02
10-22-2012, 03:25 PM
If you have a really good OC and really good DC maybe it just works out.

Reid and Johnson worked out for the Iggles a few years ago. I heard Kalu talking about it one time. He was with the Iggles for like 5 years and said that Reid talked to him three times while he was there.

Mike

eriadoc
10-22-2012, 04:31 PM
Not sure that I understand "not trusting" Kubiak or Schaub.

Last week vs. the Packers, with 36 or 37 seconds to go in the half, GB failed to convert a 3rd down. They ran to the line and acted like they were going to run a play to try for it on 4th down. Kubiak did not call a timeout and let the half expire. There are a few ways you can analyze that. I'll let you decide hwo you want to interpret that move in your own head, but personally, I had visions off him kneeling to God on the sidelines, begging for the half to be over. What a good HC would do is call timeout, grab the ST coach, demand a decent return, and then run at least a couple plays that range in risk:reward somewhere between a 3rd and long draw play and a hail mary.

You can call that anecdotal if you want, but it's the same thing we've been bagging on Kubiak since he got here for. I can cite the example where he didn't run a play after a fumble before the 2-min warning that gave the Colts time to challenge and get the ball on challenge. I can cite other examples, but the point is, he doesn't manage the clock well, he doesn't handle challenges well (one area he does seem to have improved), and he turtles at the wrong times. These are not new criticisms. I quoted a 3-yr old post last week that complained about Kubiak's prior three years worth of those problems. I can go back through any number of game day threads and get a sense of what people think about Kubiak in the moment just by following the thread.

When you add to those issues the fact that he hired crappy DCs and has made some seriously questionable personnel decisions, then you begin to realize why people don't trust him as a HEAD coach. He really hasn't improved much in 105 games, and in some areas, I'd argue not at all. And for as much as people like to take me on about the topic, when the chips are down in a game, they start bitching about Kubiak as well. I just finally got fed up enough to quote them is all.

eriadoc
10-22-2012, 04:53 PM
A small sampling from the Packers Gameday thread:

WHy a draw there?

Damn. 3 and out to start the game.

Standard texans 3rd and long.

Are you allowed to run anything else on 3rd and long?

The play calling is getting worse every game.

We should have been running it down their throats snap after snap with Raji out of the game. Instead, Schaub has had to throw three passes away, and has been sacked.

Love it. Way to go, Kubiak and Dennison. Superb job.

Are you allowed to run anything else on 3rd and long?

Has Gary lost his friggin mind? One rush to foster and umpteen freaking passes?

Time to get off the script man, it isn't working.

Also, lining up in the neutral zone? WTF!? Get your heads in the game!!

TJ

looks like a typical come out flat kubiak game

I'm ready to pull out my pink soap tonight.

Textbook Kubiak coached game.

You know what pisses me off every time I see Ball on the field? Brandon Freakin' Bust Harris not even dressing, that's what.

WTF is Kubes doing?

Wasted time uggh

Da **** you waitin' for?!

this 1st half has been 2010 all over again especially with that clock management at the end.

Great game management there Kubes...

Why didn't Coach K hit the timeout as soon as that play goes dead.

Goodness me.

Great game management there Kubes...

Kubiak getting outcoached something fierce. This is bad.

We are not an elite team. Not a chance in hell this is what an elite team looks like on primetime.

Is Jason Garrett in charge of clock mgmt today??

Why not call a freaking timeout

Kubiak time management.

No time out taken? It's not like Kubes wasn't going to take a knee to head into halftime anyway. This isn't a surprise.

People just don't trust Kubiak as the HEAD coach. Take it or leave it, but it's evident.

76Texan
10-22-2012, 05:23 PM
Just as I'm sure there are people who sees the virtue of being patient.

They are willing to look at Kubiak as a guy who learns and grows with the job.
These people normally don't speak out as much as the dissenters.

When people dislike something, they tend to vent it out over and over again. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

thunderkyss
10-22-2012, 05:57 PM
Last week vs. the Packers, with 36 or 37 seconds to go in the half, GB failed to convert a 3rd down. They ran to the line and acted like they were going to run a play to try for it on 4th down. Kubiak did not call a timeout and let the half expire. There are a few ways you can analyze that. I'll let you decide hwo you want to interpret that move in your own head, but personally, I had visions off him kneeling to God on the sidelines, begging for the half to be over. What a good HC would do is call timeout, grab the ST coach, demand a decent return, and then run at least a couple plays that range in risk:reward somewhere between a 3rd and long draw play and a hail mary.

You can call that anecdotal if you want, but it's the same thing we've been bagging on Kubiak since he got here for.

I think we've seen Kubiak do exactly what you're asking for here & then some over his first three years here for sure & in spurts over the last three. Every time, it's back fired on him for one reason or another.

Take the two minute offense for example. We used to run an up tempo 2 minute offense to try to gain momentum before the half. More times than not, it turned into a turn-over or something for the other team to feel good about.

We straight up stopped doing two minute offenses. Every now & then, we'll do it now. I was surprised Kubiak tried it before the half Sunday. We had that botched snap that Matt handled. I thought, "well, that's the end of that." But Kubiak surprised me & kept at it.

When you add to those issues the fact that he hired crappy DCs and has made some seriously questionable personnel decisions, then you begin to realize why people don't trust him as a HEAD coach. He really hasn't improved much in 105 games, and in some areas, I'd argue not at all. And for as much as people like to take me on about the topic, when the chips are down in a game, they start bitching about Kubiak as well. I just finally got fed up enough to quote them is all.

I see what you're saying. Instead of trying to spin, because everything can be spun... we do have what many people consider to be the most balanced team in the NFL. & we're young, & we've got some depth.

Not to say that you are wrong about any of the things you mentioned. But some head coaches.... say Rex Ryan, can nail all those things you wish Kubiak could do. However, they crash & burn on all the things that Kubiak does to get what we've got.

The Jets have been to two AFC Championship games & Kubiak has been to two play-off games. That's a big difference in accomplishments. But if you had to pick one of those two teams as the team with the best chance to appear in a Super Bowl this year & the next three years, which one would you choose?

That's a pretty big difference in accomplishments as well. It's just a matter of balancing long term & short term goals. Would be great to accomplish both, but how many teams have?

& trust me, I'm not sold on Kubiak or Schaub. I'd like to see more from both of them.

Goldensilence
10-22-2012, 06:45 PM
Last week vs. the Packers, with 36 or 37 seconds to go in the half, GB failed to convert a 3rd down. They ran to the line and acted like they were going to run a play to try for it on 4th down. Kubiak did not call a timeout and let the half expire. There are a few ways you can analyze that. I'll let you decide hwo you want to interpret that move in your own head, but personally, I had visions off him kneeling to God on the sidelines, begging for the half to be over. What a good HC would do is call timeout, grab the ST coach, demand a decent return, and then run at least a couple plays that range in risk:reward somewhere between a 3rd and long draw play and a hail mary.

You can call that anecdotal if you want, but it's the same thing we've been bagging on Kubiak since he got here for. I can cite the example where he didn't run a play after a fumble before the 2-min warning that gave the Colts time to challenge and get the ball on challenge. I can cite other examples, but the point is, he doesn't manage the clock well, he doesn't handle challenges well (one area he does seem to have improved), and he turtles at the wrong times. These are not new criticisms. I quoted a 3-yr old post last week that complained about Kubiak's prior three years worth of those problems. I can go back through any number of game day threads and get a sense of what people think about Kubiak in the moment just by following the thread.

When you add to those issues the fact that he hired crappy DCs and has made some seriously questionable personnel decisions, then you begin to realize why people don't trust him as a HEAD coach. He really hasn't improved much in 105 games, and in some areas, I'd argue not at all. And for as much as people like to take me on about the topic, when the chips are down in a game, they start bitching about Kubiak as well. I just finally got fed up enough to quote them is all.

Pretty much perfectly sums up reasonable complaints against Gary Kubiak as a HEAD COACH.

Had it not been a lockout prior to last year I think it's not out of the realm of possibility he was let go, a lot of people who thought about coaching changes held out on it because they knew when the season started they wanted continuity if it was a shortened season. It paid off with the Texans especially after adding Wade to the staff.

Ironically, Wade's years as a HC he's had fairly similar complaints. If he can keep his ego in check, Gary and Wade can have a very good symbiotic situation moving forward.

thunderkyss
10-22-2012, 07:18 PM
Ironically, Wade's years as a HC he's had fairly similar complaints. If he can keep his ego in check, Gary and Wade can have a very good symbiotic situation moving forward.

Personally, I think Wade can (& should) learn a lot from Gary Kubiak as a head coach. Wade didn't control his locker room, Wade didn't/doesn't understand the media. You've got to build a certain amount of trust between players & coaches to where the outside world has no idea what is going on inside the locker room. The media feeds on controversies. You may think your group is mature enough to handle it, but eventually the constant barrage by the media will have it's way.

Best to nip it in the bud & let them get their kicks somewhere else. They ask you if you're happy with your WOLB who hasn't got a sack after 7 games, you tell them sacks is only a small part of what we do, we work together, as a unit, sacks will come.

They ask you if your job is on the line, you tell them how fortunate you feel to have a job today & we'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow. They ask you if you're ok being overshadowed by your defensive coordinator, you tell them how lucky you feel to have him here & that you're picking his brain daily to make you a better coach. They ask you what's wrong with the offense, even though you didn't hire the OC, you tell them WE are working on it. I'm the head coach & the buck stops with me They ask you if you'd like to be a head coach again, you tell them this is your dream job, you're having so much fun you wouldn't dream of another job. Owners want to win, GMs want to win. If they feel like you give them the best opportunity to win, you'll get your phone calls, they'll wait for you. They're going to ask you why you failed in your previous HC gigs & they don't want to hear, "I don't know, we were winning. Some people think you failed just because you got fired."

"In my previous jobs, I failed to recognize the difference between a club & a team. My teams were actually more like clubs where you gained membership by being at a certain place at a certain time. In Houston, I realized you need more than that, you need to be a team, a group of people who work together because they share the same goal. They grow together, they live & die together. Being a team is about being honest with one another, being accountable to each other, trusting each other."

It doesn't matter if you think that's a load of bull, that you think you did nothing wrong. Perception is reality.

Playoffs
10-24-2012, 03:06 PM
Matt Schaub plays it close to the vest
Low-key Texans QB isn't one to seek headlines (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-matt-schaub/nfl-hot-read-houston-texans-matt-schaub-plays-close-vest)
Schaub says the injury was "very tough." Teammates said it was devastating. None of them would've blamed him if he limped away and sulked for a while. But Schaub was around the facility so much that it was almost as though he was playing. He wanted to help rookie T.J. Yates get ready to play. He wanted to see the season through for Kubiak, for owner Bob McNair, and all of his teammates.

"Nobody could've helped me more than he did," Yates said.

"The coaches were coaching me up as much as they could, but it's so much better to hear it from a guy who's been in the position and [is] seeing the same things you are. He just gave me so much advice all the way through."

The piece of advice that stuck with Yates the most was what Schaub said after a bad game. Schaub told him that when he came in tomorrow, he had to make sure that nobody saw that it affected him. He was the leader of the team. And he needed to show the rest of them that it didn't get him down.

Schaub was always doing things to promote team-building. Every year on the Monday before the season starts, Schaub invites the entire offense to his house and caters in dinner. At least three times a season, he'll pop in for the offensive line's Thursday night meals together.

He is one of them, center Chris Myers said. At the end of the year, he sprung for airfare for the linemen's annual postseason trip to Las Vegas. He did it to say thank you, as he does every year for his line, but Myers said this act of generosity was even more impressive because Schaub didn't even play the final two months of the season.

Double Barrel
10-24-2012, 05:12 PM
It's great to read stories like that. These guys like each other, consider themselves friends and even family. There is an intangible quality in that regard that can often elevate individuals into a true team that battles for each other.

I've also read that Schaub is quite the prankster in the locker-room. He doesn't let that out to the public, but he's allegedly one of the funnier dudes on the team when it comes to pranking other players.

redwhiteblue
10-24-2012, 11:27 PM
loved this line about kubiak from that article:

But Schaub doesn't worry about these things. He doesn't seem fazed by much of anything. There was the time last spring when a number of teams were courting Manning, and Texans coach Gary Kubiak texted his quarterback and asked him to pick up the future Hall of Fame quarterback at the airport.

guichows6
10-25-2012, 04:24 PM
I still don't trust those two very well...yea yea we ONLY have one loss and most wins were blowouts...but cmon, let's be honest..we blew out crappy teams as q good team should. Yes the ravens suck. I expected this blowout and would of been extremely disapointed had it not been..put us in a situation with real pressure (like coming back from behind against one of the better teams like gb,ne,atl, or Denver) and I'm pretty sure schaubie will have A.D.D. as soon as the ball gets hiked and most likely throw an intercerption. Then with 8 mins left in the 4th and down by 17 kubiak will keep running the ball up the gut for a no gain and eat clock.

Sure we play like world beaters and all, but that's only if we are up by two possessions. So far this season we don't know what will happen if the game is tied or up by 3 or vice versa when the game is under 4 mins...schaubie would probably throw an interception. We will find out when we travel to Chicago since that is the next tough test. I expect us to win that by 17 or more by the way...

I'm not a hater, far from it. I've been here since day 1 and ALWAYS WILL BE till the day I die, but I still don't trust those two. The only way I would trust them is to win the SUPERBOWL. WIN. Not lose a tough game, WIN.

2012Champs
10-25-2012, 04:46 PM
I still don't trust those two very well...yea yea we ONLY have one loss and most wins were blowouts...but cmon, let's be honest..we blew out crappy teams as q good team should. Yes the ravens suck. I expected this blowout and would of been extremely disapointed had it not been..put us in a situation with real pressure (like coming back from behind against one of the better teams like gb,ne,atl, or Denver) and I'm pretty sure schaubie will have A.D.D. as soon as the ball gets hiked and most likely throw an intercerption. Then with 8 mins left in the 4th and down by 17 kubiak will keep running the ball up the gut for a no gain and eat clock.

Sure we play like world beaters and all, but that's only if we are up by two possessions. So far this season we don't know what will happen if the game is tied or up by 3 or vice versa when the game is under 4 mins...schaubie would probably throw an interception. We will find out when we travel to Chicago since that is the next tough test. I expect us to win that by 17 or more by the way...

I'm not a hater, far from it. I've been here since day 1 and ALWAYS WILL BE till the day I die, but I still don't trust those two. The only way I would trust them is to win the SUPERBOWL. WIN. Not lose a tough game, WIN.


What is the texans record over the last 10-15 Matt/Gary games?

buddyboy
10-25-2012, 05:03 PM
What is the texans record over the last 10-15 Matt/Gary games?

Don't even try; he said it all when he stated that the ONLY way for him to trust Schaub/Kubiak is a superbowl win. There's no reasoning with some people.

ObsiWan
10-25-2012, 05:41 PM
Just as I'm sure there are people who sees the virtue of being patient.

They are willing to look at Kubiak as a guy who learns and grows with the job.
These people normally don't speak out as much as the dissenters.

When people dislike something, they tend to vent it out over and over again. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Yeah... we know the type... they're like the classic, nagging wife. No matter how many good things you've done she'll go back thru the years to remind you of all the other times you've screwed up in their eyes... of all the times you didn't get it quite right ...all the times they thought you could have done it differently/better in their not-so humble opinions. And of course, with 20-20 hindsight they just KNOW what you should have done to get it right. If they ain't b*tchin', they ain't happy...

Nag. Nag. Nag.

:D

Double Barrel
10-25-2012, 06:10 PM
Does it really matter to even the slightest electron of anything if fans "trust" the head coach and QB??

Seriously, none of what we think makes even the hint of ripple in the pond of Texans operations.

What matters is who the TEAM trusts, and they clearly believe and support Kubiak and Schaub 100%.

Good enough for our team is good enough for me. Proof is in the results. All the hand-wringing in the world by timid fans wallowing in the past is food for internet discussions, but certainly completely irrelevant to the product on the field.

Drink some koolaide and enjoy the ride. It never lasts forever. :koolaid:

guichows6
10-25-2012, 06:17 PM
Lol, don't get me wrong guys, I'm not nagging nor complaining. I'm simply saying that what it takes for me to trust schaubiak is a Superbowl win. I don't care if we barely get in the playoffs..as long as we win . I actually like the way schaub is playing and how kubiak is calling the plays. We are playing great. I just don't trust them yet until I see some clutch drives put together in a close fought important game ...

Is that so bad?:kitten: