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ubecool454
10-16-2012, 04:41 PM
Ray Lewis out for the year (torn pectoral) Ladarius Webb is out for the year (torn left ACL) Suggs still out and should be coming off the PUP this week. I really wanted to see all the teams at full strength when we play them but that never happens in the NFL. Jacoby Jones is Healthy and is coming to town to show us what we are missing..haha

NastyNate
10-16-2012, 04:50 PM
Ray Lewis out for the year (torn pectoral) Ladarius Webb is out for the year (torn left ACL) Suggs still out and should be coming off the PUP this week. I really wanted to see all the teams at full strength when we play them but that never happens in the NFL. Jacoby Jones is Healthy and is coming to town to show us what we are missing..haha

Damn that's a huge blow with Webb. From "sprained knee" to torn acl? Yeesh. Plus Lewis and the leadership he brings, they'll still be a very tough task though. It's not like we faced all of GB's starters when we were blown out.

Ryan
10-16-2012, 05:21 PM
Damn that's a huge blow with Webb. From "sprained knee" to torn acl? Yeesh. Plus Lewis and the leadership he brings, they'll still be a very tough task though. It's not like we faced all of GB's starters when we were blown out.


They still had the league MVP on their team.

Norg
10-17-2012, 03:42 AM
he we both lost our ILB leaders ...... Cushing and Lewis

kiwitexansfan
10-17-2012, 05:01 AM
I really wanted to see all the teams at full strength when we play them but that never happens in the NFL.

Interesting you say this, I don't. I'm happy to gobble up second and third stringers if it gets us the W.

Here's to more injuries that cost opponents games against the Texans, without costing the players their careers cause footballers kids gotta eat you know.

Scooter
10-17-2012, 05:06 AM
the scariest player to me is one not mentioned - ed reed. they're not the same defense without suggs, and now missing 3 more superstars should be crippling, but that centerfielder can still turn a walk in the park into a nightmare.

the ravens offense is finally clicking, so we have to take advantage of their beef on defense being out and run for 300 yards. run, run, run, punt if we must - but hammer it all day.

kiwitexansfan
10-17-2012, 05:44 AM
the scariest player to me is one not mentioned - ed reed. they're not the same defense without suggs, and now missing 3 more superstars should be crippling, but that centerfielder can still turn a walk in the park into a nightmare.

the ravens offense is finally clicking, so we have to take advantage of their beef on defense being out and run for 300 yards. run, run, run, punt if we must - but hammer it all day.

Not sure we throw the ball downfield far enough for Reed to be a threat. :kitten:

Trail.Blazr
10-17-2012, 02:50 PM
Hiloti Ngata is also injured with a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee and an injured right shoulder. Not certain on his status for this Sunday yet, but he was not in practice today.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-source-haloti-ngata-has-minor-mcl-damage-in-his-knee-20121015,0,2190797.story

Ravens Pro Bowl defensive tackle Haloti Ngata has minor medial collateral damage in his right knee, a sprained knee, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

The source characterized the injury as a "tweak," and Ngata is expected to play Sunday against the Houston Texans at Reliant Stadium.

This year, I sprained my MCL and had a bone bruise, while hiking the AT in Maine, which is the toughest part. As a result of being in a remote section, I was forced to only consider hiking out. I really couldn't bear much weight on the knee, when hiking UP or Down. On flat ground, it was pretty stable, but I was simply focused on moving in a straight line and not jarring the knee while stepping out. I can't imagine weighing another 100 lbs and playing football on it. YIKES! I would imagine if Hiloti does play, he won't require a double team.

Scooter
10-17-2012, 08:41 PM
ed reed might also be on the injury report with potentially a torn shoulder (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000081708/article/ed-reed-reportedly-playing-with-torn-shoulder-labrum).

bshep86
10-17-2012, 09:06 PM
ed reed might also be on the injury report with potentially a torn shoulder (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000081708/article/ed-reed-reportedly-playing-with-torn-shoulder-labrum).

Myself and a few goal keepers I know had this same injury and surgery to fix it. This is what I know about a torn labrum:

Its inevitably going to subluxate at different points while playing and doing routine things in everyday life, you usually loose feeling in the arm for a little bit, but it's an injury you can play through. The more it subluxates, the longer it will take you to recover, but the recovering from SLAP surgery is general 1 months of rest, 1 month of light lifting, and 4 months of strengthening. If he was a pitcher, it would be a different story, but overall it's something Ed Reed can play through.

Texan_Bill
10-17-2012, 09:19 PM
:facepalm:...

Don't we have a number of threads with Raven injuries???

I'm sure they're fans are as apathetic towards our injuries as we are their's, (and BTW don't we have a few of our own), no??

BTW, we had Ravens fans that visited us in BLUE CREW last year and they had a great time and were really great to tailgate with!!

amazing80
10-17-2012, 09:21 PM
Ed Reed has a labrum tear in shoulder

Perki-Perk
10-17-2012, 09:39 PM
So, I hear there may be some injuries to key components of our next opponent. Anyone got any information on this?

silentassassin
10-17-2012, 10:31 PM
:facepalm:...

Don't we have a number of threads with Raven injuries???

I'm sure they're fans are as apathetic towards our injuries as we are their's, (and BTW don't we have a few of our own), no??

BTW, we had Ravens fans that visited us in BLUE CREW last year and they had a great time and were really great to tailgate with!!

Good points. Besides, shouldn't we kind of dampen the significance of their injuries a bit considering how the last two games have gone for the Texans (against opponents with injury problems)?

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2012, 11:07 PM
Myself and a few goal keepers I know had this same injury and surgery to fix it. This is what I know about a torn labrum:

Its inevitably going to subluxate at different points while playing and doing routine things in everyday life, you usually loose feeling in the arm for a little bit, but it's an injury you can play through. The more it subluxates, the longer it will take you to recover, but the recovering from SLAP surgery is general 1 months of rest, 1 month of light lifting, and 4 months of strengthening. If he was a pitcher, it would be a different story, but overall it's something Ed Reed can play through.

You're right, he can play through it. BUT, if it is a significant torn labrum, he might be able to play through the pain and pursue and tackle, but he will have a significant limitation of range of motion of his shoulder, particularly raising his arm above his head. If our QB favors high throws this game, Reed may end up looking like a rookie.........an unprepared rookie. And don't expect him to go out of his way for "unnecessary" contact.

kiwitexansfan
10-18-2012, 12:53 AM
Over on the Ravens board there is a thread suggesting that Reed may be injured also...... we can only hope.

kiwitexansfan
10-18-2012, 04:45 AM
Over on the Ravens board there is a thread suggesting that Reed may be injured also...... we can only hope.

Labrum tear, from Reed himself.. LINK (https://twitter.com/sportswcoleman/status/258699830908567554)

NastyNate
10-18-2012, 04:59 AM
Ed Reed has a labrum tear in shoulder

He's been playing with it all season, it won't affect him. This isn't pee-wee football kids, this is the NFL. Ed Reed is still a very dangerous safety.

NastyNate
10-18-2012, 04:59 AM
Hiloti Ngata is also injured with a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee and an injured right shoulder. Not certain on his status for this Sunday yet, but he was not in practice today.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-source-haloti-ngata-has-minor-mcl-damage-in-his-knee-20121015,0,2190797.story



This year, I sprained my MCL and had a bone bruise, while hiking the AT in Maine, which is the toughest part. As a result of being in a remote section, I was forced to only consider hiking out. I really couldn't bear much weight on the knee, when hiking UP or Down. On flat ground, it was pretty stable, but I was simply focused on moving in a straight line and not jarring the knee while stepping out. I can't imagine weighing another 100 lbs and playing football on it. YIKES! I would imagine if Hiloti does play, he won't require a double team.

Haloti will play.

Norg
10-18-2012, 05:16 AM
is it just me or does T sizzle look fatter looks like he put on at least 30 pounds of fat LOL

NastyNate
10-18-2012, 05:23 AM
is it just me or does T sizzle look fatter looks like he put on at least 30 pounds of fat LOL

:smiliepalm: No.

kiwitexansfan
10-18-2012, 05:29 AM
is it just me or does T sizzle look fatter looks like he put on at least 30 pounds of fat LOL

what's with these crazy nicknames!??! (in best old man voice)

Being physically unable to perform may have meant that he actually couldn't physically perform and for some people that means weight gain so maybe.

Got a comparison pic?

SCOTTexans
10-18-2012, 08:28 AM
610 reports Suggs will be playing sunday....

Trail.Blazr
10-18-2012, 09:21 AM
610 reports Suggs will be playing sunday....

Per Mike&Mike on ESPN Radio this morning, the source is based on friends and family of Suggs traveling to Houston. They went on to discuss the probable effectiveness of Suggs' achilies recovery, which seemed to indicate they should not expect explosiveness.

rush2112mn
10-18-2012, 09:25 AM
Suggs is out there limited.....he aint playing for a while....Achilles tear takes a while to heal.....I am surprised they took him off PUP List

Ed Reed.....has torn Labrum...sholder....should have been reported to NFL....maybe a violation of rules.....

He said he had torn labrum on Wed on local Baltimore radio station.....news report on www.baltimoreravens.com....

Just thought I would pass that along.....

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2012, 09:59 AM
610 reports Suggs will be playing sunday....

He is 5 months 1 week removed from an Achilles tendon repair. Return is expected typically no sooner than 6-9 months following repair. Numerous sources have reported that he has gained substantial weight during his more inactive rehab period. According to PUP rules, he was not able to practice with the team any sooner than after the 6th week......his first practice was yesterday. Only 2 weeks ago, sideline shots showed Suggs still limping noticeably.

The extra weight certainly applies additional un-needed stress to a healing Achilles, especially worrisome for someone not in optimal game shape. I doubt seriously if he is activated and plays Sunday. If the Raven choose to do so, Suggs performance will likely be unrecognizable........and his chances of setback/re-injury will be significant.

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2012, 10:18 AM
Suggs is out there limited.....he aint playing for a while....Achilles tear takes a while to heal.....I am surprised they took him off PUP List

Ed Reed.....has torn Labrum...sholder....should have been reported to NFL....maybe a violation of rules.....

He said he had torn labrum on Wed on local Baltimore radio station.....news report on www.baltimoreravens.com....

Just thought I would pass that along.....

He wouldn't have been allowed to practice even on a limited basis until he was removed from the list.

A player who begins the regular season on the PUP list must sit out his team’s first six games. After that point, a team has three weeks to start having the player practice; once the player begins practicing, the team has another three weeks to put the player on the active roster. If the player is not activated by that time, or if he does not begin practicing within that three week window, he must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.”

Texn4life
10-18-2012, 10:20 AM
I wish they would put a gimpy, slowed down, out of shape player out there on the field against us. There is no way he can provide any type of significant impact this soon and with as little preparation as he'll have. Its almost a disaster waiting to happen if they try to rush him back. That said, PLEASE PUT HIM OUT THERE! Duane Brown dominated a healthy Suggs. It won't be any better if he plays Sunday.

GP
10-18-2012, 10:39 AM
He is 5 months 1 week removed from an Achilles tendon repair. Return is expected typically no sooner than 6-9 months following repair. Numerous sources have reported that he has gained substantial weight during his more inactive rehab period. According to PUP rules, he was not able to practice with the team any sooner than after the 6th week......his first practice was yesterday. Only 2 weeks ago, sideline shots showed Suggs still limping noticeably.

The extra weight certainly applies additional un-needed stress to a healing Achilles, especially worrisome for someone not in optimal game shape. I doubt seriously if he is activated and plays Sunday. If the Raven choose to do so, Suggs performance will likely be unrecognizable........and his chances of setback/re-injury will be significant.

If they play him and he gets carted off, the whole organization should be under investigated by the NFL.

I'm not afraid of Suggs. I AM afraid he's going to ruin himself with unhealthy expectations. That said, the Ravens "should" be smart an make him inactive, if they have character.

This isn't a sore wrist. This is not a tight hamstring. This is an ACHILLES problem, arguably one of the worst injuries a player can sustain.

It would be utterly irresponsible of the Ravens to let him decide if he can play or not. And I smell a lawsuit by Suggs against the Ravens, way into the future, if the Ravens don't wise up here. They have to do the smart thing. Period.

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2012, 10:42 AM
He is 5 months 1 week removed from an Achilles tendon repair. Return is expected typically no sooner than 6-9 months following repair. Numerous sources have reported that he has gained substantial weight during his more inactive rehab period. According to PUP rules, he was not able to practice with the team any sooner than after the 6th week......his first practice was yesterday. Only 2 weeks ago, sideline shots showed Suggs still limping noticeably.

The extra weight certainly applies additional un-needed stress to a healing Achilles, especially worrisome for someone not in optimal game shape. I doubt seriously if he is activated and plays Sunday. If the Raven choose to do so, Suggs performance will likely be unrecognizable........and his chances of setback/re-injury will be significant.

Just a additional thought I wanted to offer. Suggs' Achilles tear was partial, not complete. This could account for why they may feel a little more comfortable in bringing him along a little sooner. However, the statements I made in BOLD above concerning a possible return on Sunday still stand.

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2012, 12:14 PM
Keep in mind that his supposed "practice" yesterday was not a contact practice. The Raven Wednesday practices are "walk throughs." I'm sure glad to see that Suggs looked good out there.......and came out of it unscathed.:kitten:

gary
10-18-2012, 01:27 PM
Do not sleep on the Ravens or any team.

badboy
10-18-2012, 01:36 PM
We need to play hard first half and blow them away in 4th. Hope we get quick TD and make them keep up with us all game. If we lose to this team, I will start to question our team.

kiwitexansfan
10-18-2012, 02:16 PM
If Suggs gets on the field I hope Kubiak takes advantage and goes right at him.

badboy
10-18-2012, 05:43 PM
If Suggs gets on the field I hope Kubiak takes advantage and goes right at him.790s Pallilo and Zerline just said Suggs is long way from playing.

Texn4life
10-18-2012, 06:07 PM
790s Pallilo and Zerline just said Suggs is long way from playing.

I don't need to hear or see any insider reports to know that. Not trying to be a wise ass, but GP had it right in his earlier post. It would be simply irresponsible to run a player out there so soon with an injury like that.

I like Suggs as a competitor and would hate to see the guy get hurt trying to rush back for a Week 7 game. Their goal should be trying to win the division first and they still have 4 division matchups left. It's amazing that the guy is already well enough to practice on a limited basis, but all this hype of putting him out there Sunday is foolishness in my view. Give the guy a realistic chance to get out there and be effective. Trying to get in him shape during games especially this early would only be to the team's detriment.

Norg
10-18-2012, 06:23 PM
we got another decesion do we play J joe or let him get like 3 weeks of rest with the bye ????? and come back 100%

i think gary already said hes starting Mcain and Ball

when will Carrmocal and B harris ever get a chance LOL

GP
10-18-2012, 11:19 PM
Just a additional thought I wanted to offer. Suggs' Achilles tear was partial, not complete. This could account for why they may feel a little more comfortable in bringing him along a little sooner. However, the statements I made in BOLD above concerning a possible return on Sunday still stand.

And IF he plays us on Sunday, he'll be playing on a field that is unstable and has seams where the trays meet.

Ravens would be very dull if they allowed him to play Sunday.

Can you imagine being one of the Texans' players on offense, looking across the line at the guy and wondering how long he's going to last before he's carted off in front of them?

I love HEART...but man, this is a time for a great player like Suggs to smarten up and think about things. It sounds like he's going to play. SMH.

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2012, 08:50 AM
And IF he plays us on Sunday, he'll be playing on a field that is unstable and has seams where the trays meet.

Ravens would be very dull if they allowed him to play Sunday.

Can you imagine being one of the Texans' players on offense, looking across the line at the guy and wondering how long he's going to last before he's carted off in front of them?

I love HEART...but man, this is a time for a great player like Suggs to smarten up and think about things. It sounds like he's going to play. SMH.

For Suggs' sake, I'm hoping this is more of a stupid game on the part of the Ravens thinking that all this forces the Texans to split their game planning for Suggs' presence or absence.

amazing80
10-19-2012, 10:30 AM
He's been playing with it all season, it won't affect him. This isn't pee-wee football kids, this is the NFL. Ed Reed is still a very dangerous safety.

I never said it would affect him :bat:

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2012, 03:32 PM
Just one big game.:chef:

John Harbaugh on Suggs' status for Sunday: 'If I knew, I wouldn't tell you'
Outside linebacker not expected to play Sunday


http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-maake-kemoeatu-says-hes-fullgo-after-sprained-knee-20121019,0,3971991.story

technosailor
10-19-2012, 03:36 PM
...and run for 300 yard
Wow. Ambitious much? Haha

technosailor
10-19-2012, 03:46 PM
Just a point on Suggs. He will NOT be playing on Sunday. I have it on pretty good authority that floating the possibility is a marketing tactic designed to make the Texans game plan him. We have a BYE next week as well and as has been noted earlier, he's only been out there for 2 days of practice, he's significantly overweight and needs to drop pounds and really needs at LEAST a week of full practice -and more likely THREE before he is put out there.

Obviously, I'm biased, but I don't want to believe anyone on this board wants Suggs to reinjure himself. The Ravens don't either and they aren't stupid. He will not be active on Sunday.

Haloti, on the other hand, will.

And I have a partial labrum tear. I've had it for years and it doesn't bother me. Every once in awhile, it will flare up and I get a cortisone shot. But it's generally a common anf fairly minor injury.

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2012, 04:24 PM
Just a point on Suggs. He will NOT be playing on Sunday. I have it on pretty good authority that floating the possibility is a marketing tactic designed to make the Texans game plan him. We have a BYE next week as well and as has been noted earlier, he's only been out there for 2 days of practice, he's significantly overweight and needs to drop pounds and really needs at LEAST a week of full practice -and more likely THREE before he is put out there.

Obviously, I'm biased, but I don't want to believe anyone on this board wants Suggs to reinjure himself. The Ravens don't either and they aren't stupid. He will not be active on Sunday.

Haloti, on the other hand, will.

And I have a partial labrum tear. I've had it for years and it doesn't bother me. Every once in awhile, it will flare up and I get a cortisone shot. But it's generally a common anf fairly minor injury.

I think that if you read a lot of the posts, you will see that many of us have said that we would hope that he didn't play us because this could do nothing to hinder our chances, and do nothing for him but increase his chances for re-injury.

Haloti, I expected to play.

A torn shoulder labrum can be relatively benign. Tackling shouldn't be a problem. But depending on the stage (acute [including recent re-injury] or chronic) and the extent of damage, he could be quite limited in going up for high pass protection (arms above the head).

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2012, 04:32 PM
The Ravens' tackles seem to all be banged up

Allstar
10-20-2012, 02:38 AM
Such a shame what injuries have done to this matchup.

Corrosion
10-20-2012, 06:53 AM
..... Last week the Packers had a bunch of key players out and the Texans got an ass whoopin .... :rake:

Thorn
10-20-2012, 08:47 AM
..... Last week the Packers had a bunch of key players out and the Texans got an ass whoopin .... :rake:

Yeah, after last Sunday, you have to wonder what kind of reaction the Texans will actually have in this game.

Corrosion
10-20-2012, 10:04 AM
Yeah, after last Sunday, you have to wonder what kind of reaction the Texans will actually have in this game.

I hope they play pissed off .... at themselves and just flat out dominate from start to finish.

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2012, 10:39 AM
I hope they play pissed off .... at themselves and just flat out dominate from start to finish.

Hopefully, in their aggressiveness, they also play CONTROLLED......and don't repeat the killer penalties that nailed the coffin shut last week.

Ryan
10-20-2012, 11:29 AM
..... Last week the Packers had a bunch of key players out and the Texans got an ass whoopin .... :rake:


When you still have the best QB in the league on your team you still have a great chance to win.

Corrosion
10-20-2012, 01:56 PM
When you still have the best QB in the league on your team you still have a great chance to win.

If they hadnt gotten beat in every facet of the game ..... I might concede that point but .... It wasnt just Rodgers.

DX-TEX
10-20-2012, 03:09 PM
Mortenson reporting that Suggs will play. If he does it is a desperation move by the Ravens and a dangerous move at that. No way in hell he is near game ready.

76Texan
10-21-2012, 11:20 AM
..... Last week the Packers had a bunch of key players out and the Texans got an ass whoopin .... :rake:

A player playing hurt could hurt a team more; see J Jo and Caldwell for example.

But then again, for the Texans, the guys who replaced them didn't play well either (Ball, B. Jones.)

And of course, we already missed Cushing to start with.
Cody was playing with a bad back; A. Smith and W. Smith both weren't 100% and so on and so forth.

And it was more about the Texans beating themselves.

handswarmer
10-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Mortenson reporting that Suggs will play. If he does it is a desperation move by the Ravens and a dangerous move at that. No way in hell he is near game ready.

Desperation? No

A team minus Ray Lewis looking for an emotional boost by getting back the DPOY? Yes

Corrosion
10-21-2012, 11:23 AM
And it was more about the Texans beating themselves.

Sure they commited some costly penalties .... but the Packers won that game more than the Texans lost it IMO. They wanted it - and needed it more and they took it.

Gotta give a tip of the hat to the Packers.

76Texan
10-21-2012, 11:34 AM
Sure they commited some costly penalties .... but the Packers won that game more than the Texans lost it IMO. They wanted it - and needed it more and they took it.

Gotta give a tip of the hat to the Packers.

Sure, they did want it more and they did win the game, but without those penalties, they wouldn't have them two TDS.

The game would have been 20-17 in the fourth quarter. It would have affected the play-callings.
In general, it would have been a much closer game, not the a**whooping that we witnessed.