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Big Lou
10-08-2012, 10:16 PM
Nuff said..........

Luv_ya_blue
10-08-2012, 10:19 PM
He makes poor decisions, no doubt about it.
But the disaster that is our special teams, isn't all on him.
At least a couple of the other 10 players on the field have to at least TRY and block for him.

JMO.

Tonaaayyyy
10-08-2012, 10:19 PM
agreed.

dalemurphy
10-08-2012, 10:20 PM
He makes poor decisions, no doubt about it.
But the disaster that is our special teams, isn't all on him.
At least a couple of the other 10 players on the field have to at least TRY and block for him.

JMO.

A specialty special teamer can't be the worst returner in the NFL. Get someone to catch the ball and kneel in the endzone and we improve our field position by 8 yards.

Luv_ya_blue
10-08-2012, 10:21 PM
A specialty special teamer can't be the worst returner in the NFL. Get someone to catch the ball and kneel in the endzone and we improve our field position by 8 yards.

Agreed

kiwitexansfan
10-08-2012, 10:25 PM
A specialty special teamer can't be the worst returner in the NFL. Get someone to catch the ball and kneel in the endzone and we improve our field position by 8 yards.

He does try to much. He needs to settle.

Rey
10-08-2012, 10:25 PM
I've been a fan if holiday and I've defended him, but if they cut him tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear.

dalemurphy
10-08-2012, 10:29 PM
He does try to much. He needs to settle.

I'm concerned with results... not the effort. Results are remarkably bad! We are five games in and it's hideous.

Big Lou
10-08-2012, 10:31 PM
He does try to much. He needs to settle.

He could double his kick off return average by simply taking a knee......

CretorFrigg
10-08-2012, 10:46 PM
How many times has Holliday brought the ball past the 20?

Fili
10-08-2012, 10:47 PM
The Jacoby infection has settled...

Ryan
10-08-2012, 10:54 PM
Yup he's done.

speedfreek
10-08-2012, 10:54 PM
Tricycle and Posey hurt us in field position..

TJ

hradhak
10-08-2012, 10:55 PM
was he always this timid? I thought in preseason he'd run it out. At this point he's not giving me much confidence. I give him to the bye week. If he doesn't get it done, we cut him and look for someone else.

DownByContact
10-08-2012, 10:57 PM
How many times has Holliday brought the ball past the 20?

Heck, How many times has he brought to the 20....

fiasco west
10-08-2012, 11:03 PM
At this point I am waiting for the fumble muffed kick to finish him off.

TexanSam
10-08-2012, 11:04 PM
I can't put all the blame on returns on Holliday. Looks like he's not getting any blocks there. He just needs to kneel it when it's in the end zone. He looks more dangerous on punts. But considering how poor our kickoff coverage team is, I would release Holliday for a guy who can boot the ball out of the end zone on kickoffs. May seem like a waste of a roster space, but two TD returns in 5 games is awful.

Hervoyel
10-08-2012, 11:09 PM
He does try to much. He needs to settle.

I feel like at this point if he hasn't found a way to get into his "happy place" by now he's not going to. The Texans tried but it's not working. He was a preseason all-pro this year but since week one he's been a really poor returner. Bad decisions, questionable ball handling, and to be honest he's not showing us jack-chit in regards to his speed. He's thinking so much that he's slow. I know how fast he can be but if he never makes a decision early enough for it to matter than his speed doesn't matter.

Much as I felt back in the day when we had JJ Moses back there returning (Remember Moses? Lot of fun to watch. Run for 40 yards in circles and across the field, net gain of 5 yards with a penalty because his own blockers lost track of him and ended up blocking someone in the back) I feel like the Texans would be better off with a more conventional returner.

Rey
10-08-2012, 11:14 PM
Texans were better in pre season when they had all those guys we cut playing special teams.

Titans Sux 72
10-08-2012, 11:16 PM
He could double his kick off return average by simply taking a knee......

Ain't no shiate!!!!!

That's funny right there.

EllisUnit
10-08-2012, 11:19 PM
Texans were better in pre season when they had all those guys we cut playing special teams.

but werent we playing guys that the other teams cut as well :splits:

Lady.Gaga.3000
10-08-2012, 11:21 PM
Do people not remember the Ravens game? Trindon hasn't lost a game for us yet. Every seems to think Jacoby did. So which is better? Jacoby or Trindon?

If we put Daniel Manning is out there and he gets injured on a meaningless 8 yard return people will be crying that he was out there in the first place

Hervoyel
10-08-2012, 11:30 PM
Do people not remember the Ravens game? Trindon hasn't lost a game for us yet. Every seems to think Jacoby did. So which is better? Jacoby or Trindon?

If we put Daniel Manning is out there and he gets injured on a meaningless 8 yard return people will be crying that he was out there in the first place

First of all nobody said that being done with waiting on Trindon means we want Jacoby back. Jacoby had his own issues.

Having said that we've got to have somebody back there who is both reliable and capable of getting a few yards. That guy is probably on the roster already. How about giving a shot to Forsett? Maybe try one of those rookie WR's out that we brought in? There are options but Holliday isn't delivering so he's about to stop being one of them.

Big Lou
10-08-2012, 11:36 PM
I can't put all the blame on returns on Holliday. Looks like he's not getting any blocks there. He just needs to kneel it when it's in the end zone. He looks more dangerous on punts. But considering how poor our kickoff coverage team is, I would release Holliday for a guy who can boot the ball out of the end zone on kickoffs. May seem like a waste of a roster space, but two TD returns in 5 games is awful.

I can understand the blocking issue, but cheese and rice take a knee!!!!!!

I keep waiting for the college formation with someone beside him that tells him to take a knee.

I really wanted to see you this work and pulled for the little guy, it would be a great story, but it ain't working.

Sometimes I think him getting tackled at the 8 yard line is Kubes strategy to put up yards and chew up clock. JK

Big Lou
10-08-2012, 11:39 PM
Do people not remember the Ravens game? Trindon hasn't lost a game for us yet. Every seems to think Jacoby did. So which is better? Jacoby or Trindon?

If we put Daniel Manning is out there and he gets injured on a meaningless 8 yard return people will be crying that he was out there in the first place

I'd rather see K-Mart back there.

Has Forsett returned kicks? If the Jets cut Grimes, then resign him and have 28 return kicks.......

GP
10-08-2012, 11:41 PM
On punts, why not just NOT have a return guy back there? Starting at the 1 is as bad as us starting at the 10, and there'd be no chance at Holliday blowing the fair catch.

On kickoffs, put some no-name doof back there, like Keo, and just tell him to down it if it's into the EZ or hold on and do his best if it's in the field of play.

Seriously, wouldn't this be a better way of handling this?

Bryan Braman is the only thing positive with our ST unit. And I have a feeling he was being held back tonight, on purpose, due to the injury bug hitting us at LB tonight.

dream_team
10-08-2012, 11:46 PM
The only reason Trindon is on the team is because he is a playmaker. As long as he's on the team, I want him to return as many kicks as possible... I don't care how deep in the end zone he is. But if he's not making plays, then we need to evaluate if he's worth the roster spot. Forsett & Martin are adequate returners if needed.

Rey
10-09-2012, 07:16 AM
On punts, why not just NOT have a return guy back there? Starting at the 1 is as bad as us starting at the 10, and there'd be no chance at Holliday blowing the fair catch.

On kickoffs, put some no-name doof back there, like Keo, and just tell him to down it if it's into the EZ or hold on and do his best if it's in the field of play.

Seriously, wouldn't this be a better way of handling this?.

No it wouldn't.

Why would you intentionally limit yourself?

I don't care who is back there for returns, but you aren't going to put guys back there just to catch the ball.

Also starting on the one is not the same as starting on the 10. Not even close.

TimeKiller
10-09-2012, 07:21 AM
Yeah. He looks like he's running with cement shoes now. And no blocking. And still no real contribution on offense...

Fat lady is definitely warming up!

Maddict5
10-09-2012, 07:35 AM
Bryan Braman is the only thing positive with our ST unit. And I have a feeling he was being held back tonight, on purpose, due to the injury bug hitting us at LB tonight.

that makes about as much sense as me saying they prob held posey back on ST's because of ben tate's injury:choke:

TexansBull
10-09-2012, 08:16 AM
Just had the image of Steve Slaton running out of bounds at the two yard line returning a kick...from the end zone. Atleast Trindon has that going for him.

Porky
10-09-2012, 08:18 AM
He needs to go - now. Not at the break. Now. He's not only not a positive, he is a negative and our ST in general is our Achilles heel right now. He looks very tentative. Sure the blocking could be better, but guess what, a good return man also helps his blockers. It's a two way street, and Holliday simply is too indecisive, too tentative, too slow with the ball in his hands...and he has unsure hands that is simply a disaster waiting to happen.

Manning is very good at it....or we can give Forsett a go if they they don't want to risk a Manning injury. And on PR, I'm all for trying Martin there. Isn't that supposed to be one of his strengths?

Cut him and let's add a couple of LB's for depth and ST play. After the dirty play that knocked Cushing out, we need depth there.

Errant Hothy
10-09-2012, 09:12 AM
Bryan Braman is the only thing positive with our ST unit. And I have a feeling he was being held back tonight, on purpose, due to the injury bug hitting us at LB tonight.

Jones, Graham, Keo, Ball, Dobbins have all also been plus players on special teams so far this year. But you are right that Braman has been the stand out.

As for Holliday. Yeah, time for this to end. It's a big, ugly scray ball of no results.

The Pencil Neck
10-09-2012, 10:52 AM
This is what I was saying last week. If you have a guy who's a specialist, he has to perform better at his specialty than this or he doesn't deserve a spot on the team. Martin or Keo or Forsett or even Manning in a pinch. We could have kept Grimes and had him doing this.

speedfreek
10-09-2012, 11:28 AM
He and Keo will be gone soon enough, as the key injuries start mounting up!

TJ

The Pencil Neck
10-09-2012, 12:08 PM
He and Keo will be gone soon enough, as the key injuries start mounting up!

TJ

At least Keo got that onside kick.

Playoffs
10-09-2012, 05:25 PM
Texans are 32nd, dead last, in average kickoff return yards at 17.6. But just taking a knee & ball on the 20 yard line only moves us up 3 spots to 29th.

On punt returns, Texans are about middle of the pack with 9.2 yards. The worst teams average 6 yards per punt return.

9baller
10-09-2012, 09:30 PM
Well one thing's for sure... he will start running it back like a hall of famer as soon as some other team picks him up. I would probably give him another game at least, but I wouldn't blame Kubes for cutting him this week either.

Scooter
10-09-2012, 09:38 PM
i dont mean to be contradictory on this one, because holliday is definitely underwhelming ... but our blocking has been horrid. he should bring out kicks that land 5 yards in the endzone, he shouldnt however be dodging 2 guys at the 10 yard line. i'm putting 90% of our problems returning kicks on marciano. holliday is far from earning a reputation for sure hands, but we've seen what he can do with a lane. the problem is he no longer has a lane to work with and the only way he's going to make something happen is by dancing backwards and sideline to sideline - a bad bad idea.

TejasTom
10-10-2012, 07:52 AM
i dont mean to be contradictory on this one, because holliday is definitely underwhelming ... but our blocking has been horrid. he should bring out kicks that land 5 yards in the endzone, he shouldnt however be dodging 2 guys at the 10 yard line. i'm putting 90% of our problems returning kicks on marciano. holliday is far from earning a reputation for sure hands, but we've seen what he can do with a lane. the problem is he no longer has a lane to work with and the only way he's going to make something happen is by dancing backwards and sideline to sideline - a bad bad idea.

I agree with this and it seems like sometime he is dodging guys before he gets to the 10.

During preseason Holliday had no hesitation at all, just catch and go. Since the season has started he is catching then looking for a hole before he takes a step. He needs to get back to just running or they are doing too much coaching and he is doing too much thinking.

Errant Hothy
10-10-2012, 11:22 AM
Offically

https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/256066292644204544

The Texans have signed LB Barrett Ruud & practice squad G Cody White, released KR Trindon Holliday & placed LB Brian Cushing on IR

silentassassin
10-10-2012, 11:25 AM
Offically

https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/256066292644204544

We can finally be at peace.

Rey
10-10-2012, 11:26 AM
So they released the KR for a back up guard.

Are they going to make another move?

Hmmmmm....

Maybe they are about to trade Caldwell.

Seņor Stan
10-10-2012, 11:26 AM
Sorry Trindon couldn't make it happen in the regular season...

That being said, it was the right move.

Seņor Stan
10-10-2012, 11:27 AM
So they released the KR for a back up guard.

Are they going to make another move?

Hmmmmm....

Barrett Ruud

Errant Hothy
10-10-2012, 11:27 AM
So they released the KR for a back up guard.

Are they going to make another move?

Hmmmmm....

They did, signed Barrett Ruud. Leaves them an open spot on the pratice squad.

disaacks3
10-10-2012, 11:28 AM
was he always this timid? I thought in preseason he'd run it out. At this point he's not giving me much confidence. I give him to the bye week. If he doesn't get it done, we cut him and look for someone else. It was time. He looked timid as hell prior to this year and looked like he'd finally "got it" in pre-season. He'd been regressing.

Rey
10-10-2012, 11:29 AM
Barrett Ruud

They didn't have to release anyone to sign Ruud.

Cushing to ir means an open roster spot.

They released trindon to bring up Cody white.

A back up guard. Just seems strange unless there is another move in the works.

HOU-TEX
10-10-2012, 11:29 AM
So they released the KR for a back up guard.

Are they going to make another move?

Hmmmmm....

Maybe they are about to trade Caldwell.

They signed White from the PS because a couple teams were trying to sign him. The Texans didn't want to lose him. Per Scurf

Nick Scurfield‏@NickScurfield

Another team had expressed interest in signing practice squad G Cody White to its 53-man roster. #Texans didn't want to lose him

Rey
10-10-2012, 11:31 AM
They signed White from the PS because a couple teams were trying to sign him. The Texans didn't want to lose him. Per Scurf

Ok, makes perfect sense now. Thanks.

TheIronDuke
10-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Farewell little man, may you always flash in the preseason.

Lady.Gaga.3000
10-10-2012, 11:39 AM
Holliday never gave up the ball in the regular season right? So if we have some bonehead punt returner fumble at crucial times this year can we please not complain? I would rather take bad field position over a turnover any day. Manning was a great KR but is it worth the injury? Forsett? Keo? Yuck.

Porky
10-10-2012, 11:39 AM
Good luck to Trindon on his future. I think his NFL career (such as it was) has now ended. Now sense in dancing on the grave so to speak.

Vinny
10-10-2012, 11:51 AM
Nuff said..........

In the preseason (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2004744&postcount=184) I didn't think (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2004760&postcount=190) he was going to make the team.

Texn4life
10-10-2012, 11:56 AM
I hope Trindon gets another opportunity and does well. Our Special Teams overall have been horrible along with Trindon. With better blocking though I think he'll be able to make some plays. I bet he's on a roster before the end of the week. I hope he proves that he wasn't the problem and hope it isn't against us when he proves it.

Double Barrel
10-10-2012, 11:56 AM
This is also a shot across the bow of coach Joe's ship. Dude had better get his squad to perform better or he's next to get the pink slip. You can't let all gains of a great offense and great defense go with horrid special teams. All three phases need to be solid if we want a chance for the Lombardi.

Insideop
10-10-2012, 12:01 PM
They signed White from the PS because a couple teams were trying to sign him. The Texans didn't want to lose him. Per Scurf

Maybe they can use him on the PR/KR team to block someone and open up some holes for our new Returner! :shades:

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2012, 12:09 PM
I was surprised to see him make the 53 and like many, excited in the anticipation that he may go off in week 1, like he showed in preseason. Again, with anticipation in week 2, again in week 3... it's worn off.

Hate to see the "little man" go, as I like rooting for the little guy, but unfortunately, preseason's performance didn't carry over. His fault or not, it is what it is...

To that.. I wonder if the preseason success is maybe a result of some teams not really investing "real game" effort on kickoffs... ie- going 80% in preseason, due to the high risk factor of injuries, resulting in Trindon going all out against them to achieve the returns we saw? Or.. maybe in preseason he's getting reps against opponents who are bubble players trying to make a team, half of whom get cut and by regular season he's facing more skilled/talented opposition? Or a combination of both?

I only ask, because what we saw pre-season vs. regular season was not a marginal difference.. it was NIGHT and DAY. Certainly TH wasn't the x-factor in that difference.

Anyway.. Good Luck where ever you land little man!

LikeMike
10-10-2012, 12:12 PM
So, how long until another team picks him up because of what he did in preseason? I say the Titans take a good look at him...

Errant Hothy
10-10-2012, 12:15 PM
So, how long until another team picks him up because of what he did in preseason? I say the Titans take a good look at him...

Why? The Tacks have one of the best return games going right now, jusk ask the Lions.

TheIronDuke
10-10-2012, 12:17 PM
The worst part to me of this little experiment not working is that we had to put Grimes on the PS to make room for him and lost him in the process.

Big Lou
10-10-2012, 12:29 PM
So they released the KR for a back up guard.

Are they going to make another move?

Hmmmmm....

Maybe they are about to trade Caldwell.

If they put the back up G at KR he'd probably know to take a knee 8 yards deep with the kicking team bearing down on you.

Hell tha G could probably pick up more than 8 yards if he took the ball out.

Big Lou
10-10-2012, 12:31 PM
In the preseason (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2004744&postcount=184) I didn't think (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2004760&postcount=190) he was going to make the team.

He had a coupl of good runs, but the bad plays more than offset these in the Preseason.

Good call on your part!

beerlover
10-10-2012, 12:35 PM
He is not that easy to replace. Texans don't want to expose Manning to injury (best KR option) maybe Forsett could field punts, but nobody else has his speed. I don't think Kubiak would make a change anyway until after the bye week. So y'all just have fun ripping Holliday til then but count me out :slapfight:

michaelm
10-10-2012, 12:36 PM
The worst part to me of this little experiment not working is that we had to put Grimes on the PS to make room for him and lost him in the process.

I agree with this. I hate that we lost Grimes.

TheIronDuke
10-10-2012, 12:39 PM
He is not that easy to replace. Texans don't want to expose Manning to injury (best KR option) maybe Forsett could field punts, but nobody else has his speed. I don't think Kubiak would make a change anyway until after the bye week. So y'all just have fun ripping Holliday til then but count me out :slapfight:

You serious? What's the worse that comes out of this, we miss out on starting at our own 9 yard line every time we return the ball? Hell, with us blocking in the back every punt return we'd be better off not returning punts either.

Big Lou
10-10-2012, 12:49 PM
You serious? What's the worse that comes out of this, we miss out on starting at our own 9 yard line every time we return the ball? Hell, with us blocking in the back every punt return we'd be better off not returning punts either.


Thats funny right there!

HOU-TEX
10-10-2012, 01:15 PM
Kubiak just said Keyshawn Martin will be doing both KO and punt return duties

Errant Hothy
10-10-2012, 01:20 PM
Kubiak just said Keyshawn Martin will be doing both KO and punt return duties

Also said they might use Manning on occasion as well.

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/256095319840927744

@MarkBermanFox26 Gary Kubiak said while Keshawn Martin will return kicks/punts, Danieal Manning is an option. He has said Manning is a terrific return man.

hookinreds
10-10-2012, 01:21 PM
I bet he would have destroyed our coverage team. Our coverage team sucks. I was a strong supporter based on what he did in college and then what he did in the preseason this year. Buuuuuut shortly after the first game slowed down to about 85% to look for lanes that were no longer there. He has the ability to take it to the house, he just needed a return team that could handle their job. I don't care who you put back there now, if something isn't done about our return/coverage teams, our returner is going to be limited at best, and we are going to continue to give up 35 yard returns. If we're going to suck, then there's no reason for him to hold a roster spot when you can put anyone back there to catch the ball and just kneel it.

Perki-Perk
10-10-2012, 01:25 PM
Kubiak just said Keyshawn Martin will be doing both KO and punt return duties

Watch Martin take one to the house this weekend now! haha

beerlover
10-10-2012, 01:50 PM
Watch Martin take one to the house this weekend now! haha

Just long as he remembers to catch the ball first.

Good luck Trindon, you had my support til the end.....

houstonspartan
10-10-2012, 02:01 PM
Watch Martin take one to the house this weekend now! haha

Martin is a Spartan. If he does that, I will lose it.

drs23
10-10-2012, 06:58 PM
Martin is a Spartan. If he does that, I will lose it.

I hope you "lose it"!

Texan_Bill
10-10-2012, 07:23 PM
The worst part to me of this little experiment not working is that we had to put Grimes on the PS to make room for him and lost him in the process.

Meh.... You win some, you lose some. We lost in this case and yes, I would've loved to had held onto Grimes as well.

silentassassin
10-10-2012, 08:07 PM
Meh.... You win some, you lose some. We lost in this case and yes, I would've loved to had held onto Grimes as well.

Doesn't it feel good though?

Better to have a wealth of talent and lose some than to have none at all.

Corrosion
10-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Martin is a Texan. If he does that, I will lose it.

.... he was a spartan. :cool:

houstonspartan
10-11-2012, 12:30 AM
.... he was a spartan. :cool:

Once a Spartan, always a Spartan. Down the line, if he's traded or released from the Texans, Martin will still be...a Spartan. Until he dies.

ThaJokaa
10-11-2012, 12:59 AM
What about Jeff Maehl returning kicks? He has good hands

Rey
10-11-2012, 07:09 AM
What about Jeff Maehl returning kicks? He has good hands

Jeff maehl?

hookinreds
10-11-2012, 04:19 PM
Broncos sign Holliday...

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5832/trindon-holliday

Thorn
10-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Broncos sign Holliday...

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5832/trindon-holliday

Now watch him get his mojo back. That would really piss me off. Oh well, I'm not going to wish him back luck, unless we see them in the playoffs.

Texn4life
10-11-2012, 04:22 PM
I hope Trindon gets another opportunity and does well. Our Special Teams overall have been horrible along with Trindon. With better blocking though I think he'll be able to make some plays. I bet he's on a roster before the end of the week. I hope he proves that he wasn't the problem and hope it isn't against us when he proves it.

Wish the little guy all the best. Had no doubt he would be on a team soon.

Wolf6151
10-11-2012, 04:51 PM
Broncos sign Holliday...

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5832/trindon-holliday

I wish him the best and hope he can make a career work in Denver.

The Pencil Neck
10-11-2012, 09:38 PM
All the best to him.

GP
10-11-2012, 10:47 PM
Does his helmet have a Shetland pony on the side?

Sorry, it was just sitting there for the taking.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 07:42 AM
It shows us how bad our special teams truly are

Calface4
01-13-2013, 08:30 AM
I don't know about you guys but it truly pissed me off to see Holliday have success against the ravens. It just shows that Holliday could've been the return man here in Houston if it wasn't for the train wreck of a special teams we're running under Marciano.

Hookem Horns
01-13-2013, 08:32 AM
But the disaster that is our special teams, isn't all on him.


You think?

Big Lou
01-13-2013, 08:35 AM
But he had fumbleities all season, he had as many bad plays as good.

Hookem Horns
01-13-2013, 08:45 AM
But he had fumbleities all season, he had as many bad plays as good.

Seeing players go other places and perform better tells me a lot about our coaching staff.

Wolf
01-13-2013, 08:56 AM
Holliday set record for longest punt return for a td in playoff history and also longest kickoff return for a TD in playoff history.(also most return yards in playof game)

Jacoby set nfl record for longest kickoff return (reg season) in nfl history.

Pretty dang incredible brief moments

Meanwhile joes squad seems to be getting close to nfl record for most blockS in the back

:kitten:

Goodwrench3
01-13-2013, 09:10 AM
If we don't have good blocking.....

76Texan
01-13-2013, 09:10 AM
I still remember Jacoby getting a lot of flack for dropping catches and returns.

I said that's what you get with him.
He has the speed and the shiftiness to make big play, but you will have to accept those bad moments, too.

I believe the Texans let him go, more likely was due to threat to his safety, as reported in the news.

The same thing goes for Holliday, who has even better speed.
(Without the threat to his own safety, yet).

Again, I was also long those who would still rather keep Holliday.
However, I don't gripe too much when they let either guy walk.

There are also times when you can't afford a critical mistake.
Holliday did fumble some for the Broncos this year, besides the times he did with us.

It's a two-edge sword. If you like living dangerously, it's fine.
But if you'd rather play sound and good football, you would hate to see the mistakes.

But you can't go back and forth.
Both guys have bad plenty of chances to prove that they can be more consistent.
Make your decision and move on.

TejasTom
01-13-2013, 09:15 AM
They said on the broadcast last night that Holliday fumbled 6 times is year.

Seņor Stan
01-13-2013, 10:13 AM
Can we change the title to "The Marciano experiment is over..."

Thanks

Lucky
01-13-2013, 10:23 AM
They said on the broadcast last night that Holliday fumbled 6 times is year.
5 times with the Broncos, who still won every game he played in until yesterday.

srrono
01-13-2013, 10:23 AM
Plain and simple while Holiday was here he showed signs of being a great return man. The problem was Holiday also played like he had self doubt like he was thinking to much not reacting naturally. Fast forward to yesterday Holiday is now playing like Kubs thought he could. I am happy for the kid just wish he put it all together a little sooner.

Lucky
01-13-2013, 10:26 AM
Both guys have bad plenty of chances to prove that they can be more consistent.
Yes. One took his chance and became an All Pro returner. The other broke the playoff record for most return TDs in a game.

Playoffs
01-13-2013, 10:32 AM
I'm just glad Jacoby & Trindon were going head to head...

I don't know if I could stand having both our special teams castoffs making the difference for their new teams in getting to the conference championships.

Speedy
01-13-2013, 10:50 AM
Jacoby - 9.2 avg on punts(63 long), 30.7 KO(108 long), 3 ret TD
Holliday in Den - 10.8 on punts(76 long), 32.5 KO(105 long), 2 ret TD
Holliday in Hou - 9.2 punts(36 long), 19.4 KO(30 long), 0 ret TD
Martin - 12.1 avg. on punts(71 long), 23.9 KO(54 long), 0 ret TD

Mailman
01-13-2013, 12:15 PM
This glaring weakness highlighted by yesterday's Once Were Texans Bowl rankles me big time.

I knew Trindon could be an important weapon at a critical time, Jacoby too, but one can only do as much as the special teams unit allows him to do. The Texans are just TERRIBLE at it and it costs the team valuable opportunities to put points on the board by lengthening the field with the ubiquitous block in the back on every damn return.

Why has this not been fixed? Get it fixed, Gary.

michaelm
01-13-2013, 01:00 PM
Seeing players go other places and perform better tells me a lot about our coaching staff.

Yes, it tells you they're just like all coaching staffs, because it happens to all of them.

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 01:27 PM
Yes, it tells you they're just like all coaching staffs, because it happens to all of them.

Joe's gotta go though.......................I aint :lion:

Luv_ya_blue
01-13-2013, 02:33 PM
You think?

You quote me from three months ago???
LOL...that's funny!