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gwallaia
10-09-2012, 11:34 AM
Is the injury diagnosis 100% correct at this point? Has the MRI results been revealed?

I hate the letters ACL and MRI.

Errant Hothy
10-09-2012, 11:41 AM
Is the injury diagnosis 100% correct at this point? Has the MRI results been revealed?

I hate the letters ACL and MRI.

No offical word on the MRI yet.

PandapuffTexan
10-09-2012, 11:55 AM
we are so use to injurys to key players we are expecting it,right now there is no proof all they did was a sideline test. the coaches the staff the fans all expect the worst.we all expect a bad injury. we still can hope till the mri comes back. Even if it is a acl if anyone can recover and be back for playoffs its cushing. there is miracle stories all over the web of people making god like recoverys. so there is always room for hope.

Jackie Chiles
10-09-2012, 12:01 PM
we are so use to injurys to key players we are expecting it,right now there is no proof all they did was a sideline test. the coaches the staff the fans all expect the worst.we all expect a bad injury. we still can hope till the mri comes back. Even if it is a acl if anyone can recover and be back for playoffs its cushing. there is miracle stories all over the web of people making god like recoverys. so there is always room for hope.

When they invent this guys will be able to come back shortly after tearing their ACLs.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4464642287_d98f60c05c.jpg

Until then hes done for the year. Not sure why you would want to risk his entire career to have him gimping around out there for the playoffs. Friday Night Lights anyone?

XI CMURDER IX
10-09-2012, 12:13 PM
Hate to say it, but if he is indeed out for the season. Might it be time to part with a draft pick before the trade deadline?

DX-TEX
10-09-2012, 12:14 PM
Hate to say it, but if he is indeed out for the season. Might it be time to part with a draft pick before the trade deadline?

Yeah but not likely. No one in the AFC will trade us anyone worth a damn.

NFC, who is really available?

Double Barrel
10-09-2012, 12:17 PM
How does anyone know that this was intentional or not? I lean toward intentional simply because it's a Rex Ryan team and he's not the most honorable coach out there. For those defending this Slausen chump, please elaborate how you seem to have insight that this was not an intentional hit.

Losing Cush will cost us some games. Who knows how many, but it's certainly a major hit to our defense, no doubt about it. Hopefully the rest of the team rallies and makes up for it. Last year's "next man up" mantra was good preparation for this sort of thing.

It really sucks, but that's football. The great teams destined for great things adapt and overcome. Let's see if our 2012 Texans are one of those kinds of great teams now.

Chin up Texans fans. We are still 5-0!!! :texflag:

PandapuffTexan
10-09-2012, 12:34 PM
When they invent this guys will be able to come back shortly after tearing their ACLs.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4464642287_d98f60c05c.jpg

Until then hes done for the year. Not sure why you would want to risk his entire career to have him gimping around out there for the playoffs. Friday Night Lights anyone?

untill its confirmed by the mri..im not going to give into speculation.

Jackie Chiles
10-09-2012, 12:38 PM
untill its confirmed by the mri..im not going to give into speculation.

Your own words were "even if its an ACL if anyone can come back its Cushing." Torn ACLs do not heal quickly enough for a return this year. Period. If by some miracle its not a torn ACL that would be fantastic but I'm not holding my breath.

DX-TEX
10-09-2012, 12:39 PM
Your own words were "even if its an ACL if anyone can come back its Cushing." Torn ACLs do not heal quickly enough for a return this year. Period. If by some miracle its not a torn ACL that would be fantastic but I'm not holding my breath.

What else could it be? Where is Cloak when you need him!

Ktexan68
10-09-2012, 12:46 PM
Kuch and Kalu just said they heard (and i'm guessing their sources are good) that it's MCL and ACL = total knee reconstruction.

:vincepalm:

Texanmike02
10-09-2012, 12:48 PM
Anyone else not able to hit page 13 on this thread?

I think that happens if there is a post deleted at some point in the thread. IIRC if there are 20 posts and one post is deleted it displays 2 pages but only displays the first page and kills the second page.

Mike

ItsMyFault
10-09-2012, 12:51 PM
Kuch and Kalu just said they heard (and i'm guessing their sources are good) that it's MCL and ACL = total knee reconstruction.

:vincepalm:

Goddamnit.

Tailgate
10-09-2012, 01:01 PM
Kuch and Kalu just said they heard (and i'm guessing their sources are good) that it's MCL and ACL = total knee reconstruction.

:vincepalm:

I hate you

Ktexan68
10-09-2012, 01:10 PM
I'm just sick.

Porky
10-09-2012, 01:14 PM
:choke:

:overreact:

:cry2:

:panic:

GP
10-09-2012, 01:22 PM
Dude was walking on a totally wrecked knee? Gawdalmighty!

Wow.

Hervoyel
10-09-2012, 01:26 PM
Start taking up a collection for the hit on Slausen I guess....

Marcus
10-09-2012, 01:29 PM
Son of a *****!!!

This means he won't be worth a sh!t next season.

SheTexan
10-09-2012, 01:30 PM
What else could it be? Where is Cloak when you need him!

Cloak has already said we will have to wait for the OFFICIAL report from the MRI!

Everybody's anxious, scared, and pissed off! BUT, I wanna hear it from the horses mouth as to just how bad the injury really is.

Trap_Star
10-09-2012, 01:31 PM
I wonder if the iron sheik thinks slausen is the real...

JVL713
10-09-2012, 01:33 PM
We can look into what "sources" say all we want, but in reality the doctors don't even know yet. Like some have said, just have to wait for the MRI and hope/pray for the best.

Ryan
10-09-2012, 01:54 PM
I wonder if the iron sheik thinks slausen is the real...


He's the jabroni like the Hulk Hogan no good piece of sh*t

Dutchrudder
10-09-2012, 02:04 PM
FYI, ESPN says:

The Texans fear the injury is a torn ACL, but they will not know for sure until his MRI Tuesday, said a source familiar with the situation.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8480941/houston-texans-brian-cushing-suffers-left-knee-injury

Probably just all speculation at this point and someone wanting to claim they can tell what the injury is before it's announced. I'll wait until after the MRI before I panic.

GlassHalfFull
10-09-2012, 02:12 PM
FYI, ESPN says:



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8480941/houston-texans-brian-cushing-suffers-left-knee-injury

Probably just all speculation at this point and someone wanting to claim they can tell what the injury is before it's announced. I'll wait until after the MRI before I panic.

:glasshalffull:

I am with Dutch on this one. Keep the positive energy going.

Hookem Horns
10-09-2012, 02:29 PM
:glasshalffull:

I am with Dutch on this one. Keep the positive energy going.

I am game. It's probably just a mild strain and the Texans are making it sound worse to throw off the Packers. I fully expect him to start next Sunday.

:runaway:

gtexan02
10-09-2012, 02:32 PM
I am game. It's probably just a mild strain and the Texans are making it sound worse to throw off the Packers. I fully expect him to start next Sunday.

:runaway:

EVen if its an ACL tear, I heard that Cushing had two extra ACLs added during the offseason so that in case one tore, he'd have backup. He should be at practice later this week

:runaway:

Errant Hothy
10-09-2012, 02:34 PM
EVen if its an ACL tear, I heard that Cushing had two extra ACLs added during the offseason so that in case one tore, he'd have backup. He should be at practice later this week

:runaway:

A joke I may only get, but is Cushing a Krogan?

eriadoc
10-09-2012, 02:38 PM
What really pisses me off about this is the fact that there's no discussion of punishment for the bastard that did this. He clearly went after Cushing's knee. He got washed out of the play, got up from the ground, and went after the back of Cushing's leg. He didn't trip or stumble, and wasn't blocked into it. I think some of you saying it wasn't intentional are off your rocker. Or maybe you're confusing premeditation with intention.

If a defensive player hits an offensive player in the head, no matter what the circumstance, he's fined. He can be actively trying to avoid hitting a player in the head, but if the offensive guy ducks into it, the defenseman is fined. Here we have a guy that clearly went after Cushing, should have been flagged, and probably isn't going to be fined. It's a BS double standard. Going after a man's knee is every bit as debilitating as headhunting, perhaps even moreso.

GlassHalfFull
10-09-2012, 02:40 PM
What really pisses me off about this is the fact that there's no discussion of punishment for the bastard that did this. He clearly went after Cushing's knee. He got washed out of the play, got up from the ground, and went after the back of Cushing's leg. He didn't trip or stumble, and wasn't blocked into it. I think some of you saying it wasn't intentional are off your rocker. Or maybe you're confusing premeditation with intention.

If a defensive player hits an offensive player in the head, no matter what the circumstance, he's fined. He can be actively trying to avoid hitting a player in the head, but if the offensive guy ducks into it, the defenseman is fined. Here we have a guy that clearly went after Cushing, should have been flagged, and probably isn't going to be fined. It's a BS double standard. Going after a man's knee is every bit as debilitating as headhunting, perhaps even moreso.

I want a suspension equal to the number of games Cushing misses.

I know that won't happen, but he needs a suspension, a fine doesn't cut it.

fiasco west
10-09-2012, 03:25 PM
Yeah, Jets made a number of public statements -- top down -- about targeting the player.

How could the NFL just ignore that?

Especially after the whole bounty mess.

rolyat93
10-09-2012, 03:26 PM
EVen if its an ACL tear, I heard that Cushing had two extra ACLs added during the offseason so that in case one tore, he'd have backup. He should be at practice later this week

:runaway:

Lazy ass Cushing just doesn't want to practice for a few days.

TheIronDuke
10-09-2012, 03:27 PM
Don't we chop block all the time causing other teams to say we play dirty? 790 made it sound like it was a legal play, just unfortunate outcome.

PaddleTail
10-09-2012, 03:33 PM
Don't we chop block all the time causing other teams to say we play dirty? 790 made it sound like it was a legal play, just unfortunate outcome.

We engage from the front going low, not from behind. Big difference

b0ng
10-09-2012, 03:36 PM
Don't we chop block all the time causing other teams to say we play dirty? 790 made it sound like it was a legal play, just unfortunate outcome.

Kuch and Kalu both usually take the linemen's side of things when it comes to this stuff. They also agreed that the Joe Mays hit on Schaub wasn't that bad and shouldn't have a suspension behind it, much less a fine.

Hookem Horns
10-09-2012, 03:41 PM
Here is the play. Sorry if already posted earlier in this thread.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cushing-cheap-shotted-10-8-12.gif

Rey
10-09-2012, 03:41 PM
My brother just tore his acl in camp before his season started in...He could walk on it a bit before the sugery, but after the surgery he was outta there....

He had the surgery I guess about a month ago now and he came home this weekend because his team was playing in Reliant and he was walking pretty much like normal. He was able to jump around a little bit too...He's still rehabbing and stuff, but I'm just happy he's up and walking so well....

We'll see Cushing back on the sideline cheering on the team in no time....

b0ng
10-09-2012, 03:43 PM
Here is the play. Sorry if already posted earlier in this thread.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cushing-cheap-shotted-10-8-12.gif

Is Slausen 65?

HOU-TEX
10-09-2012, 04:15 PM
Another "source" confirmation

ProFootballTalk‏@ProFootballTalk

Per league source, MRI confirms Brian Cushing's torn ACL.

fiasco west
10-09-2012, 04:33 PM
Is Slausen 65?

Slausen is the guy who literally loads up on his knee. Just watch Cushing and you'll see a guy almost charge up and go directly for his knee.

No way was he trying to block a guy bigger or faster than him. He went low with intent.

I'm not going to believe anything unless it comes from the Texans. I just want to hold out hope for as long as possible.

Austrian
10-09-2012, 04:36 PM
Kubiak confirms torn ACL in his press conference. Sucks.

Rey
10-09-2012, 04:39 PM
Kubiak confirms torn ACL in his press conference. Sucks.

Yep...Sucks a lot...

fiasco west
10-09-2012, 04:39 PM
I'm not going to believe anything unless it comes from the Texans. I just want to hold out hope for as long as possible.

Kubiak confirms torn ACL in his press conference. Sucks.

Well that didn't last long

281
10-09-2012, 04:44 PM
This feels like a swift kick in the nuts. Damn this.

HOU-TEX
10-09-2012, 04:46 PM
He also said Sharpton would not be ready at this time even if he wasn't on PUP. Going to push him the next few weeks.

In other words, don't expect Sharpton to be any sort of savior

Errant Hothy
10-09-2012, 05:09 PM
Kuch and Kalu just said they heard (and i'm guessing their sources are good) that it's MCL and ACL = total knee reconstruction.

:vincepalm:

Thankfully Kuch and Kalu heard wrong.

It sucks, but it doesn't suck as bad as that.

srrono
10-09-2012, 05:10 PM
I didnt read whole thread, so I do not know if this has been said but we all are missing D.Ryans now.

DX-TEX
10-09-2012, 05:16 PM
I didnt read whole thread, so I do not know if this has been said but we all are missing D.Ryans now.

We would be in the same position. DeMeco was traded because he lost a step and couldnt pass cover TE's

TheRealJoker
10-09-2012, 05:17 PM
This sucks

b0ng
10-09-2012, 05:21 PM
Slausen is the guy who literally loads up on his knee. Just watch Cushing and you'll see a guy almost charge up and go directly for his knee.

No way was he trying to block a guy bigger or faster than him. He went low with intent.

I'm not going to believe anything unless it comes from the Texans. I just want to hold out hope for as long as possible.

I see what the hubbub is about now that's a very cheap shot indeed.

pbat488
10-09-2012, 05:39 PM
totally dirty block.

in most legal cut block scenarios, the defensive player sees it coming and attempts to avoid it. cush had no idea slauson was coming back and especially that he was going low to block him. not technically a chop block, but damn that is a dirty, cheap block.

gwallaia
10-09-2012, 05:44 PM
Suspend that punk until Cushing is back on the field. Fines don't bother these millionaires.

Wolf
10-09-2012, 05:58 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cushing-cheap-shotted2-10-8-12.gif

Ryan
10-09-2012, 06:00 PM
Our division has the scummiest fans known to mankind. Reading through comments on fb and on their forums. Completely disgusting disgraces for human beings.

Trap_Star
10-09-2012, 06:01 PM
Why didn't tebow just go up to cush and rub his knee? Selfish ******.

Godbless.

TheMatrix31
10-09-2012, 06:18 PM
Mother****er.

Just.......mother****er.

Malloy
10-09-2012, 06:19 PM
Poor Cush and poor us. I hope he recovers well and comes back kicking!

LondonTex
10-09-2012, 06:32 PM
Dont know a lot about torn acl's in the NFL... In English soccer players come back and play like before but its not exactly a huge contact sport....When Cushing comes back will he be able to play the same? How does it work with torn acl's and linebackers ? Will his knee be a lot weaker and susceptible to a repeat?

DX-TEX
10-09-2012, 06:33 PM
Dont know a lot about torn acl's in the NFL... In English soccer players come back and play like before but its not exactly a huge contact sport....When Cushung comes back will he be able to play the same? How does it work with torn acl's and linebackers ? Will his knee be a lot weaker and susceptible to a repeat?

Depends. 50/50 shot in most cases.

LondonTex
10-09-2012, 06:37 PM
Depends. 50/50 shot in most cases.

That bad? This really sucks.

Tailgate
10-09-2012, 06:47 PM
That bad? This really sucks.

He will get back to damn near 100%. It will just be in 2014.

darnbni99a
10-09-2012, 06:52 PM
i want Slauson's head!!!!!!!!!!

Perki-Perk
10-09-2012, 06:52 PM
He will get back to damn near 100%. It will just be in 2014.

That long?!?! I thought for sure he'd be back for training camp when we gear up to defend our ring. Now I'm not going to be able to sleep again tonight. Thanks a LOT!!

Texn4life
10-09-2012, 06:55 PM
i want Slauson's head!!!!!!!!!!


ummmmm........ No comment

Trap_Star
10-09-2012, 07:01 PM
ummmmm........ No comment

For all we know, slauson head is excellent. Who can say no to that?

Dutchrudder
10-09-2012, 07:01 PM
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career. He took a while to come back after the most recent one, but he did recover.

Adrian Peterson tore both an ACL and MCL on Dec. 24, 2011, and he's back to playing now. They say it's almost inhuman for someone to recover from that as quickly as he has though.

Jamaal Charles tore his ACL last year in week 2 and he's back to what appears to be 100%.

Rashad Mendenhall tore his ACL last year just before the playoffs. He didn't start playing much until week 5 of this season, but he looked good in his first game.

Terrell Suggs tore his in May, but expects to be playing for the Ravens in November. Only a 6 month recovery, which is aggressive.

I don't think we need to worry about Cushing coming back next year, he will have 9-10 months before meaningful practices start. He's a warrior, and I'm sure he will train extremely hard and make himself ready to return ASAP. It just won't happen until next year :(

Jackie Chiles
10-09-2012, 07:05 PM
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career. He took a while to come back after the most recent one, but he did recover.

Adrian Peterson tore both an ACL and MCL on Dec. 24, 2011, and he's back to playing now. They say it's almost inhuman for someone to recover from that as quickly as he has though.

Jamaal Charles tore his ACL last year in week 2 and he's back to what appears to be 100%.

Rashad Mendenhall tore his ACL last year just before the playoffs. He didn't start playing much until week 5 of this season, but he looked good in his first game.

Terrell Suggs tore his in May, but expects to be playing for the Ravens in November. Only a 6 month recovery, which is aggressive.

I don't think we need to worry about Cushing coming back next year, he will have 9-10 months before meaningful practices start. He's a warrior, and I'm sure he will train extremely hard and make himself ready to return ASAP. It just won't happen until next year :(

Suggs was an Achilles, worse injury to come back from than an ACL I believe as far as long term effects. Cushing will come back strong, we should see him in training camp day 1.

Wolf
10-09-2012, 07:08 PM
He will probably hibernate in his hyperbaric chamber (if he still has it) (http://www.examiner.com/article/greetings-from-the-hyperbaric-chamber)

TheMatrix31
10-09-2012, 07:30 PM
Bombard @nfl, @nflcommish, @nyjets, @houstontexans.

Demand justice for this.

Brisco_County
10-09-2012, 09:11 PM
Somebody needs to get him under control, because he’s trying to hurt people... It’s one thing to be an incredibly physical player and a tenacious player, but it’s another thing to set out to end that guy’s career... I’m all for physicality, but within the framework of the game.

Let's play Guess the Worthless Hypocrite. (http://larrybrownsports.com/football/matt-slauson-brian-cushing-ndamukong-suh-dirty/157502)

DBCooper
10-09-2012, 09:15 PM
Mods will you please delete this thread, it's making me sick.

Brisco_County
10-09-2012, 09:18 PM
Teams formulate plans to block him because he’s a dangerous rusher. The Texans have a lot of other dangerous rushers, however. They don’t have a lot of other inside linebackers who can run and cover the way Cushing can, and when he’s absent it’s sure to be a spot that gets targeted.

Defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loves Cushing as much as anyone. But he jumped to point out that the Texans had a great deal of defensive success against the Jets after the linebacker left the field. Tim Dobbins took Cushing’s spot in the base personnel, and Bradie James stayed on the field to assume Cushing’s role in the nickel package.

The drop off from Cushing to those guys is more significant than it is from any of the Texans other stars to their backups.

As reporters approached Dobbins to ask about his expanded role with Cushing gone, Dobbins repeatedly shook his head and said he didn’t really want to talk about it.

“I’m a small fry in this world,” he said. “We didn’t know what’s wrong with him, if he’s going to be out or not. I stay ready so I don’t ever need to get ready.”

Link (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/42040/could-cushing-absence-derail-the-texans)

We still get pressure up front, Dobbins is an excellent run stopper, and this is still a championship caliber team.

Texan_Bill
10-09-2012, 09:27 PM
Why didn't tebow just go up to cush and rub his knee? Selfish ******.

Godbless.

Mother ****er!!! Change your avatar and sig!! :facepalm:

*******************************

That out of the freaky way, and I do mean "freaky way", I still don't think the hit to Cushing's knee was with malice. I think that piece of shiate was beaten so badly that he reacted in the best way he could out of instinct....

Sucks for us losing Cushing, but intentional? No. Illegal? Yes............ And not called? YES!!!

That's not here nor there..
The "pack" is coming to town. They're pretty pissed after succumbing to the Colts, no?



Let's get our shiate together for this game...



BTW, my schedule at work had us going 5-0 with our first loss being to the Pack at home..............


PLEASE, please, please Texans prove me wrong this Sunday!!!

gtexan02
10-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Who wants to see something that will make them sick to their stomach? Exhibit A:

----------------Cushing on field--------Cushing not on field
Plays---------------2,797--------------------377-----------
Opp. Comp. Pct.-----58.4--------------------65.2----------
Opp. TD-Int----------62-46------------------13-3---------
Opp. Yds/Play---------5.2--------------------5.8-----------

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8483657/houston-texans-brian-cushing-season-torn-acl


He just makes us better. Thats all there is too it. Sure we can overcome this, but we are not as good of a team without him as we were with him. In no way can we be as good talent wise as we were on Monday before the game this season. Thats sad

Texn4life
10-09-2012, 09:41 PM
Who wants to see something that will make them sick to their stomach? Exhibit A:

----------------Cushing on field--------Cushing not on field
Plays---------------2,797--------------------377-----------
Opp. Comp. Pct.-----58.4--------------------65.2----------
Opp. TD-Int----------62-46------------------13-3---------
Opp. Yds/Play---------5.2--------------------5.8-----------

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8483657/houston-texans-brian-cushing-season-torn-acl


He just makes us better. Thats all there is too it. Sure we can overcome this, but we are not as good of a team without him as we were with him. In no way can we be as good talent wise as we were on Monday before the game this season. Thats sad

In all fairness most of these numbers are pre-Wade so its hard to make a judgment off of them. I saw this on Sportscenter and while it looks good we don't know how this defense is going to react until we see them on the field without him for a significant amount of time.

BullBlitz
10-09-2012, 09:49 PM
First, best wishes to Brian Cushing for a full and fast recovery. He is the definition of a football player and the epitome of an NFL linebacker.

Second, this is going to be a tough setback for the Texans' defense, right at the time that we are entering a tough part of schedule. We should all expect Wade to believe that he can fill the gap, but you don't just replace a Pro Bowl LB with the next man up.

thunderkyss
10-09-2012, 09:56 PM
Son of a *****!!!

This means he won't be worth a sh!t next season.

Have you seen Jamal Charles lately? If it were a Lisfranc or Achilles, I'd be worried. ACL... they've come a long way in just the last 5 years... 3 years even, on how to fix it right.

amazing80
10-09-2012, 10:03 PM
here is a serious question, if Cushing did roids (previously) how will this affect his recovery?

thunderkyss
10-09-2012, 10:05 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cushing-cheap-shotted2-10-8-12.gif

From this angle, you can see he is clearly behind Cushing when he makes contact. From the other gif, it looks as if it was close & he may have been in front. Cushing was just too fast for him & crossed his face faster than he anticipated.

I don't think it's a dirty play, dude just got beat by a better player.

However, the way he roled up on the back of Cushing's leg (knee) is exactly the reason players are not allowed to go for a QB's legs any more. They risk blowing an ACL....

I don't expect any new legislation from this event. Thousands of snaps/man go by without this happening. The fact that it happened now, to one of ours, is unfortunate & that's as far as it really needs to go. Sucks that we're going to lose Cushing for the rest of the year, but this is where Wade makes his money.

A little OT... did anyone complain that Watt wasn't flagged on his Sanchez sack? Totally different, but completely against the rules. Both hands made contact below the knees.

gtexan02
10-09-2012, 10:17 PM
A little OT... did anyone complain that Watt wasn't flagged on his Sanchez sack? Totally different, but completely against the rules. Both hands made contact below the knees.

How was that possibly illegal? He tripped him by grabbing his foot

thunderkyss
10-09-2012, 10:35 PM
How was that possibly illegal? He tripped him by grabbing his foot

No defensive player (http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser) who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.


There may be some debate about "unrestricted path" but knees & below is pretty clear.

CloakNNNdagger
10-09-2012, 10:57 PM
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career. He took a while to come back after the most recent one, but he did recover.

Adrian Peterson tore both an ACL and MCL on Dec. 24, 2011, and he's back to playing now. They say it's almost inhuman for someone to recover from that as quickly as he has though.

Jamaal Charles tore his ACL last year in week 2 and he's back to what appears to be 100%.

Rashad Mendenhall tore his ACL last year just before the playoffs. He didn't start playing much until week 5 of this season, but he looked good in his first game.

Terrell Suggs tore his in May, but expects to be playing for the Ravens in November. Only a 6 month recovery, which is aggressive.

I don't think we need to worry about Cushing coming back next year, he will have 9-10 months before meaningful practices start. He's a warrior, and I'm sure he will train extremely hard and make himself ready to return ASAP. It just won't happen until next year :(

[Suggs as has already been mentioned was an Achilles rupture]

ACL rupture post surgical repair, return to play recovery and return performance level expectations have been elevated just in the last decade. Six to nine months is an expected return to play for an NFL player. However, there is still great variation in those parameters seen. There have been very few NFL-oriented studies on this injury. There was a 2009 study that concluded that Dlinemen and LBs were most affected with return performance level. Another concluded that those players having 2-4 years NFL experience were more likely to return to previous level as compared to those with more than 4 years. There was the conclusion that wear and tear led to lesser return performance (the better recovery in college players). Variance could be accounted for by other not uncommonly encountered simultaneous injury factors of the MCL, PCL, LCL, meniscus, patellar disease or arthritis. Although examples of high-profile RBs are commonly presented, there are many RBs that never got the chance to achieve high-profile status before their early careers were cut short. Not only have improved surgical techniques made this injury far from hopeless today, but the rehab regimens have probably had even more to do with the success. Being able to build the supportive upper leg muscles to the point that they can themselves lend stabilization to the knee. Many of you may not be aware of this (I know Kubiak would be), but John Elway, after sustaining a complete rupture of his ACL, ended up playing his entire college and NFL career without an ACL in his left knee. He wore a brace. But his secret was that he had absolutely massive upper leg muscles virtually substituting his ACL, and, of course, he was not an RB.


After brilliant careers with Broncos ... - The Denver Post ....READ THE REST (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_6966936#ixzz28rO7vOpx)


Each is headed for knee replacement surgery, Elway sooner than Davis, but both make light of their physical issues, having conditioned themselves to live with the long- term effects. They made millions playing football and knew the risks.

Said Elway, "Other than the lobotomy, everything else is good."

Not exactly.

Elway initially injured his knee in high school, and surgeons removed his anterior cruciate ligament. By the time he retired, he had had five knee operations, guaranteeing himself a post-career lifetime of problems.

"I knew what I was getting into," he said.

Living with pain

So why put yourself through it? In Elway's case, he had a legacy to fulfill. He was the top-rated player in the country in high school and the No. 1 pick in the 1983 NFL draft. He contemplated retirement in his early 30s, but refused to bow to the pain - and the frustration of playing in Dan Reeves' offense - until he won a Super Bowl.

"Just ask Dan," said Elway, 47. "I have a hard head."

And a bum knee.

"It continues to get worse," he said. "I don't have an ACL and now I don't have any cartilage on the outside. That's the reason I have to watch it. It's starting to go in. If it goes too far, it's going to be tough to put a new knee in. It gets too deformed."

Davis, who has launched a second career as an NFL Network analyst, finds himself in a similar predicament. The doctors have told him it's when, not if, he has knee replacement surgery. At 34, he wants to hold off as long as possible, what with artificial knees having a typical shelf life of 15-20 years.

In the interim, he makes daily concessions to his left knee, on which doctors performed microfracture surgery during his latter years with the Broncos. His right knee, the one he injured in 1999 when Matt Lepsis fell on him during an interception return, is fine, but the left one is getting worse.

He takes aspirin to dull the pain. He sleeps with a pillow between his legs to ease the discomfort.

"I feel like I'm 50," said Davis, who in 1998 became the fourth player in NFL history to run for 2,000 yards in a season. "I wouldn't change (my career) for the world, but it's tough. I was like everybody else. Most people say, 'It's not going to happen to me. I'm not going to have to deal with that."'






For those of you interested, here is an abstract of the most recent July 2010 study reviewing ACL injury in NFL players:



Return to Play After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Athletes

Background: Rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is a common and potentially career-threatening injury in the National Football League (NFL). The return to play (RTP) percentage and the factors affecting RTP after ACL reconstruction in NFL players are not well defined.

Purpose: To determine the actual rate of return to professional football play in the NFL after ACL reconstruction surgery and to determine what factors can predict ability to RTP. We hypothesize that the RTP percentage in this unique patient population will differ from previously reported populations.

Study Design: Case series; Level of evidence, 4.

Methods: Forty-nine NFL athletes who had undergone primary ACL reconstruction at our institution were followed to determine their RTP percentages and factors predicting RTP.

Results: Sixty-three percent (31 of 49) of NFL athletes returned to NFL game play at an average of 10.8 months after surgery. Age at time of surgery, position, and the type and number of procedures were not significantly different between those who did and did not return to play. The average number of games before surgery was 51 for those who did return to play and 28 for those who did not (P = .039). The odds ratio favoring RTP was 5.5 (P = .016) for those players who had more than 4 years of NFL experience before surgery. The average NFL draft round was 3.4 for the group who returned to play and 6.4 for those who did not (P < .001). The odds ratio favoring RTP was 12.2 (P < .001) for those players drafted in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft compared with those drafted after the fourth round.

Conclusions: The RTP rates after ACL reconstruction in NFL football players are lower than previously perceived. More experienced and established athletes are more likely to return to competition at the same level after this procedure than those with less professional experience. Being selected in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft was highly predictive of RTP.

This post is simply to present that Cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in ACL tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that Cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to Reliant as the elite player we will recognize.:tiphat:

gtexan02
10-09-2012, 11:01 PM
This post is simply to present that Cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in ACL tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that Cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to Reliant as the elite player we will recognize.:tiphat:

Lets just keep our fingers crossed that he doesn't overtrain...

GP
10-09-2012, 11:08 PM
There may be some debate about "unrestricted path" but knees & below is pretty clear.

At the time of that play, I figured Watt would get flagged for hitting the QB below the knees.

The refs must have thought that a hand swiping the foot is not the same as it would be if that same defender is tackling his full body weight INTO the QB's legs.

Still, I really REALLY thought he would get a flag there on that play. Maybe it was a make-up call or something? I dunno.

76Texan
10-09-2012, 11:16 PM
this post is simply to present that cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in acl tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to reliant as the elite player we will recognize.:tiphat:

msr

TexansFanatic
10-09-2012, 11:32 PM
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career.

This is the second time I've seen that posted on this board, but I can't find evidence that he's had more than two ACL tears. Once in high school and once in 2009.

From Chronicle, November 1, 2009:
Daniels, who suffered a torn ACL as a senior in high school, was hurt on a third-down incompletion on the Texans' second series of the game.

LINK (http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Daniels-likely-out-for-season-with-knee-1750624.php)

False Start
10-09-2012, 11:46 PM
I'm just pissed, and bummed the F out.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/florida-1.gif

76Texan
10-09-2012, 11:54 PM
How was that possibly illegal? He tripped him by grabbing his foot

At the time of that play, I figured Watt would get flagged for hitting the QB below the knees.

The refs must have thought that a hand swiping the foot is not the same as it would be if that same defender is tackling his full body weight INTO the QB's legs.

Still, I really REALLY thought he would get a flag there on that play. Maybe it was a make-up call or something? I dunno.

I think Fidd read the rule incorrectly.

It wasn't a "malicious" hit below the knee.

The defender is allowed to swipe at the quarterback's feet.

...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

HITTING PASSERíS KNEE
(5) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one
or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is
blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him;
Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he
is being contacted by another player.
Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

MEGA SWATT
10-10-2012, 12:24 AM
Clay Matthews - LB 52 GB

If the NFL really wants to increase player safety, start protecting players on BOTH sides of the ball.

Where is the NFL's protection on blocks below the waist like that on Cushing. Double standard!

Jackie Chiles
10-10-2012, 12:30 AM
This is the second time I've seen that posted on this board, but I can't find evidence that he's had more than two ACL tears. Once in high school and once in 2009.

From Chronicle, November 1, 2009:


LINK (http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Daniels-likely-out-for-season-with-knee-1750624.php)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/409170

Scroll down to the Injury Report section.

"2000: Only played in two games during his high school senior year after tearing the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee.

2002: Suffered left knee torn anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in a December scrimmage. "

JamesBill
10-10-2012, 01:49 AM
this has greatly reduced the enjoyment of this season for me. Cushing was a great player on a historically crap defense and didn't point fingers at coaches or db's. He took crap that entire year, people saying his rookie season was all drugs and he was a bust. He is a prototypical football player in every way, more than anyone else on the Texans. Effort, attitude, physicality, mentality.

still happy we are 5-0 but the shine is of the season now.

Tailgate
10-10-2012, 10:10 AM
It is what it is. I am officially over the Cushing injury. I now look at it this way, Cushing is going to be one heck of a free agent pick up this offseason and will make us even better next year! Its a done deal!

For now, we are what we are and we have who we have.... we are 5-0 and if anything the season just got more exciting. Heck, we have been spotted 5 games to start the season! The NFL is a long greuling up and down season, for EVERYBODY. Its time to buckle up for a heck of a ride and Time to MOVE ON.

Errant Hothy
10-10-2012, 10:13 AM
Can we please stop with the gifs of the injury...it's becoming very morbid.

2012Champs
10-10-2012, 10:20 AM
What really pisses me off about this is the fact that there's no discussion of punishment for the bastard that did this. He clearly went after Cushing's knee. He got washed out of the play, got up from the ground, and went after the back of Cushing's leg. He didn't trip or stumble, and wasn't blocked into it. I think some of you saying it wasn't intentional are off your rocker. Or maybe you're confusing premeditation with intention.

If a defensive player hits an offensive player in the head, no matter what the circumstance, he's fined. He can be actively trying to avoid hitting a player in the head, but if the offensive guy ducks into it, the defenseman is fined. Here we have a guy that clearly went after Cushing, should have been flagged, and probably isn't going to be fined. It's a BS double standard. Going after a man's knee is every bit as debilitating as headhunting, perhaps even moreso.



I havent seen any talking heads or anyone from the league say it was an illegal block, in fact the heads that I saw said it was legal. Should it be against the rules? I think so and I think Clay Matthews has a great point about protecting player safety on both sides of the ball

SCOTTexans
10-10-2012, 10:57 AM
I havent seen any talking heads or anyone from the league say it was an illegal block, in fact the heads that I saw said it was legal. Should it be against the rules? I think so and I think Clay Matthews has a great point about protecting player safety on both sides of the ball

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000079046/article/rex-ryan-defends-matt-slauson-block-on-brian-cushing

It will be fascinating to see how the NFL handles this one. There is a very strong case to be made Slauson's hit qualifies as illegal as clipping because of where it took place on the field, not because of Slauson's technique.



Thats the only thing i have heard about it being a illegal ht...

Big Lou
10-10-2012, 01:45 PM
I haven't looked a lot, but what the hell is Sharpton's status!!!!

TexanSam
10-10-2012, 02:04 PM
I haven't looked a lot, but what the hell is Sharpton's status!!!!

He's still a few weeks away.

drs23
10-10-2012, 07:03 PM
BTW, my schedule at work had us going 5-0 with our first loss being to the Pack at home..............


PLEASE, please, please Texans prove me wrong this Sunday!!!

Can you 'splain that Lucy? :D

drs23
10-10-2012, 07:32 PM
This post is simply to present that Cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in ACL tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that Cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to Reliant as the elite player we will recognize.:tiphat:

Doc, is this the same knee he had the patella (sp?) surgery on? If so how does that affect the results you posted above? (that I snipped)

Inquiring minds and the such. :)

drs23
10-10-2012, 07:38 PM
I think Fidd read the rule incorrectly.

It wasn't a "malicious" hit below the knee.

The defender is allowed to swipe at the quarterback's feet.

...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

HITTING PASSERíS KNEE
(5) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one
or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is
blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him;
Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he
is being contacted by another player.
Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

SO JJ should not have been flagged in the game in Indy last year where the f'kn refs silver plattered them the game?

TheMatrix31
10-10-2012, 08:23 PM
So has that thuggish mother****er Slauson been fined and/or suspended for his blatantly dirty play that injured our defensive quarterback for the rest of the year yet or not?

Texan_Bill
10-10-2012, 08:25 PM
So has that thuggish mother****er Slauson been fined and/or suspended for his blatantly dirty play that injured our defensive quarterback for the rest of the year yet or not?

It will prolly happen in the next couple of days or even next week.

If he's not fined I'll personally punch Roger "inconsitent" GODdell in the face!! (If I could).

HoustonFrog
10-10-2012, 08:51 PM
From his twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/briancushing56

Trust me when I say I'll be back better than ever. I appreciate all the love and want u to know WE are STILL winning THIS year's Super Bowl.
5:32pm - 10 Oct 12y

ThaJokaa
10-10-2012, 08:54 PM
Went off on a guy on twitter lol

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/ThaJokaa/1B14E8EC-0416-465A-9F49-4E1D8173B782-1744-0000027D2DD1C7B0.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/ThaJokaa/51AB7A0B-3509-4212-BA51-11929FD36489-1744-0000027D32E00DFF.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
10-10-2012, 09:09 PM
Doc, is this the same knee he had the patella (sp?) surgery on? If so how does that affect the results you posted above? (that I snipped)

Inquiring minds and the such. :)

His patella tendon surgery was on the right knee. His present ACL surgery will be on his left knee. The right knee has by all rights healed without incident. One should not directly impact the other at this point.

Corrosion
10-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Went off on a guy on twitter lol

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/ThaJokaa/1B14E8EC-0416-465A-9F49-4E1D8173B782-1744-0000027D2DD1C7B0.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/ThaJokaa/51AB7A0B-3509-4212-BA51-11929FD36489-1744-0000027D32E00DFF.jpg

Why does this matter ... :vincepalm:

ThaJokaa
10-10-2012, 09:27 PM
Why does this matter ... :vincepalm:

B/c it tied in w/ the post above mine?

TheMatrix31
10-11-2012, 03:00 PM
This is what we're going to miss.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427784_10101137714667515_453353857_n.jpg

Vinnie
10-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Can't he still sit on the sideline and yell at them? :fans:

TheMatrix31
10-11-2012, 05:59 PM
Have no fear people, the thuggish Jets player who blatantly went after Brian Cushing's knee was fined $10,000 and everything's fine now and Brian Cushing is most definitely not out for the year anymore.

Texan_Bill
10-11-2012, 06:00 PM
I just heard Slauson was fined $10k for the hit on Cush.

Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer
Texans have said its an illegal shot and apparently nfl agrees. 10k for Slauson, which is standard fine for peel back block

b0ng
10-11-2012, 07:08 PM
He should've also gotten about 10 minutes of alone time with JJ Watt.

thunderkyss
10-11-2012, 09:07 PM
He should've also gotten about 10 minutes of alone time with JJ Watt.

10 minutes alone with Cush... I'm sure that ACL wouldn't hold slow him down in a closet.

TexansBlood
10-12-2012, 12:06 AM
Just reported that ***** got fined 10k for the hit on Cushing.

Rey
10-12-2012, 12:09 AM
10 minutes alone with Cush... I'm sure that ACL wouldn't hold slow him down in a closet.

Has cushing or any other player Expressed any anger about the block?

Genuine question as I don't know.

Premier
10-12-2012, 01:08 AM
Has cushing or any other player Expressed any anger about the block?

Genuine question as I don't know.

clay matthews