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Tailgate
06-01-2005, 01:02 PM
Texans are the front page news right now over at CBSSportsline.com ....Interesting read.

Pretty much states what we already know, that the expansion label is now off and the pressures of winning are now greater than ever.

Link to article (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8522519)

wrestler4life
06-01-2005, 01:14 PM
If the Texans do not make the playoffs this year, I agree that it is not time to panick, but it will be time to make some serious changes in the coaching staff.
Those guys should be able to coach up what they have well anough to do a sound job. If they can't, get rid of those coaches.

Hervoyel
06-01-2005, 01:30 PM
If the Texans do not make the playoffs this year, I agree that it is not time to panick, but it will be time to make some serious changes in the coaching staff.

So in other words it will be time to panic, unless of course someone else has a different interpretation of "serious changes in the coaching staff"? Anybody? Anybody?

Nawzer
06-01-2005, 01:32 PM
Nice article. I think the Texans should make the playoffs and I don't think David Carr has ever been the problem. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the Texans offensive line to play a bit better than they did last year. I know we're capable of playing better than we did last year and hopefully we'll be able to show that to the rest of the league.

Yankee_In_TX
06-01-2005, 01:39 PM
If the Texans do not make the playoffs this year, I agree that it is not time to panick, but it will be time to make some serious changes in the coaching staff.
Those guys should be able to coach up what they have well anough to do a sound job. If they can't, get rid of those coaches.

Depends on the conference.

IMO, -playoffs, +10 and 8ish or better.

Vinny
06-01-2005, 01:41 PM
So in other words it will be time to panic, unless of course someone else has a different interpretation of "serious changes in the coaching staff"? Anybody? Anybody?Looks like the guy cutting the checks isn't ready to panic. He comes off as quite comfortable with his 5 year plan.

McNair understands, but don't expect him to lean on the panic button. That's not his nature. He believes his club is better than it was a year ago; he just wants to see how much better.

"I think the results will speak for themselves," McNair said. "Will I be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs? Yes I will be disappointed. But there's no sense of urgency because there are factors that can enter into it that could be the reason for not having a better year. There are always some things you can't control.

"I said all along it will take us four or five years before we would be the kind of club that could go out on the field and compete with anyone and feel like we had just as good a chance of winning the game. And I still feel that way. I have very high standards, but as long as I'm making satisfactory progress I know the results will catch up."

Vambo, the Marble Eye
06-01-2005, 01:51 PM
:cool:

I know the Texan's organization believes that the average season ticket holder always has the option of voting with their feet. Financial pressure will no doubt override McNair's or anybody’s calm patience... and will screw up the best of intentions.

Although I admit that the attending the games is a great experience.... I believe it is the anticipation of winning that got me to shell out over $8k for PSL and two season tickets a year ago. Somebody needs to check my recollection, but didn't I read that one the largest attendance levels last year was a pre-season game??? The point... the anticipation of just a winning season is an extremely powerful element of what makes the "Houston Texan's game day experience". So it would take Houston going 7-9 a couple of seasons in a row before I look for someplace else to put my entertainment dollars.

MightyTExan
06-01-2005, 02:49 PM
The Texans are a good team. We have a lot of young talent. And I think we have a few players that will hopefully make it to the Hall of Fame. This year will be our best season. Should be fun to watch................. :excited:

KingRat
06-01-2005, 03:39 PM
whether or not it's good enough for the playoffs, ten wins is good enough for me :banana: :party: :pepper:

El Tejano
06-01-2005, 03:52 PM
You know just looking at that picture of Buchannon in that article makes me realize that he sizes up pretty well with the taller receivers where Glenn really didn't.

Fiddy
06-01-2005, 06:28 PM
You know just looking at that picture of Buchannon in that article makes me realize that he sizes up pretty well with the taller receivers where Glenn really didn't.
Buchanan is 5'10"
Glenn is 5'9"

It's not that big of a difference...

Lucky
06-01-2005, 06:31 PM
Buchanan is 5'10"
Glenn is 5'9"

It's not that big of a difference...
If you're the guy who's 5'10", it is. :)

Blake
06-01-2005, 06:40 PM
Looks like the guy cutting the checks isn't ready to panic. He comes off as quite comfortable with his 5 year plan.

The article points out that 2-4 years is how long its taken expansion teams to get to the playoffs. Why do we have a 5 year plan?

Maybe our 5 year plan will help us maintain a playoff caliber team, instead of a one year fluke.

TexansTrueFan
06-01-2005, 07:31 PM
i wont be suprised if 9 wins doesnt get us into the play-offs, i mean the AFC has been pretty good latly and a wild card is what we'll be searching for next year. Although i wouldnt mind winning the division. :drool:

ATX
06-01-2005, 11:15 PM
i could see us going 9-7 or 10-6 and still not making the playoffs. sometimes, like mcnair said, you can't control everything. with that said, 9-7 would be a good improvement from last season. i could live with 8-8, but 9-7 would be a great improvement.

sprtsfanatic
06-01-2005, 11:33 PM
i could see us going 9-7 or 10-6 and still not making the playoffs. sometimes, like mcnair said, you can't control everything. with that said, 9-7 would be a good improvement from last season. i could live with 8-8, but 9-7 would be a great improvement.

Thats a very good point and exactly what I was thinking...perhaps Mcnair along with everyone else realizes that our division IS the toughest and hardest to get into the playoffs in...all in all, Im pleased with our defensive improvements...disappointed with the lack of offensive line improvements HOWEVER I do believe that the line will do better going into their 2nd year of their new blocking scheme which will pay dividends for Carr and Co. :highfive:

nWo
06-02-2005, 12:06 AM
do you think don cpaers will be coach of the texans? If they don't make the playoffs this year, you think he will get fired?

OzzO
06-02-2005, 08:18 AM
The article points out that 2-4 years is how long its taken expansion teams to get to the playoffs. Why do we have a 5 year plan?

Maybe our 5 year plan will help us maintain a playoff caliber team, instead of a one year fluke.

DING!! We're not building for the flash, we're building for the long haul

do you think don cpaers will be coach of the texans? If they don't make the playoffs this year, you think he will get fired?

Ignoring the typo :) if they show some good improvement (per most here looking for the 9 to 10 win range area) then nope. If we get a playoff appearance based off that win range, that's just icing... or gravy... depending on your food preference.

.. and in case the article eventually goes away....
Houston general manager Charley Casserly doesn't make predictions, so don't ask him what to expect from this year's Texans. Ask someone with the Cleveland Browns. Or the Carolina Panthers. Or any of the NFL's expansion clubs the past three decades.

The Texans should have a winning season in their fourth year. And they should make the playoffs.

Casserly won't say that, but he doesn't have to. We were there for the history lesson when Cleveland graduated to the winner's circle in 2002. Not only did the Browns have their first -- and only -- winning season since returning to the NFL in 1999, they reached the playoffs, too.

Unusual? Not really. Carolina and Jacksonville reached the playoffs in their second seasons, with the Panthers advancing to the NFC Championship Game. Seattle and Tampa Bay, expansion teams in 1976, were winners by their fourth seasons, too, with the Bucs making it to the 1979 NFC Championship Game.

Of the NFL's previous five expansion teams, only Seattle failed to reach the playoffs by its fourth year.

Which brings us back to Houston, the club that finished with the same 7-9 record last year that Cleveland authored in its third season. The Texans might have made it the playoffs a year ago were it not for a 1-5 stretch where they were outscored 169-92 and produced no more than 14 points in five of their six starts.

Quarterback David Carr was better, throwing for 16 touchdowns, but he still took too many sacks (49). Running back Domanick Davis had his second consecutive 1,000-yard season and scored 14 times. And wide receiver Andre Johnson provided glimpses of greatness while leading the club in catches (79) and yards receiving (1,142).

But their presence is not what should make the difference.

It's a defense that Casserly thinks is better -- and much better -- than the unit that last year finished 23rd overall and dead last in sacks. He cites the additions of cornerback Phillip Buchanon and linebacker Morlon Greenwood; the draft of defensive tackle Travis Johnson; the move of linebacker Kailee Wong inside; and the talent and depth at cornerback.

"Every year we've gotten better," Casserly said, "and this is our best team so far. I never put predictions on a team. That's not fair to the players. You just have to go play, and see where you are.

"We're a better club, but we just need to take another step and find a way to win more of those close games we haven't won the last couple of years. What's important is to keep improving, and we have. Eventually, the wins come."

The question is: Can "eventually" cut it in Houston, where the Texans are on the clock? Owner Bob McNair is patient, but he knows the history of the NFL -- and it tells him the Texans should be good enough to make a run at the playoffs now.

McNair understands, but don't expect him to lean on the panic button. That's not his nature. He believes his club is better than it was a year ago; he just wants to see how much better.

"I think the results will speak for themselves," McNair said. "Will I be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs? Yes I will be disappointed. But there's no sense of urgency because there are factors that can enter into it that could be the reason for not having a better year. There are always some things you can't control.

"I said all along it will take us four or five years before we would be the kind of club that could go out on the field and compete with anyone and feel like we had just as good a chance of winning the game. And I still feel that way. I have very high standards, but as long as I'm making satisfactory progress I know the results will catch up."

Logic says it happens now. The Texans improved by one win in 2003. They improved by two last season. Two or more victories this year puts them in the black and in the middle of the playoff picture.

Sure, there are always concerns, and with Houston it's not with Carr; it's with his offensive line. Carr, Casserly said, "will continue to improve as we improve around him." He didn't elaborate, but the implication is that the Texans need to improve immediately around him, with the club still searching for a left tackle.

Maybe it finds him, maybe it doesn't. What I know is that this is the year Houston should find itself -- not because Casserly or McNair tell us, but because history does.

A Texan
06-02-2005, 09:52 AM
I think we should continue to be patient. When the Cowboys started it took Tom Landry 7 years to have a winning season. When he finally did they had many more and he ended up being the coach for 30 years.