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ATX
06-01-2005, 01:28 PM
when will we find out who got cut today? Texans as well as other teams cuts.

ojthecat
06-01-2005, 03:24 PM
Training camp starts next month!!!!! :banana: :coolb: :highfive:

Hoss
06-01-2005, 03:31 PM
its about damn time!!!!

Hoss
06-01-2005, 03:35 PM
absolutly nothing is going on!i think theres only been one thing and thats the westbrook signing..(whoop de ****in dooo)!!!

Texas_Heat
06-01-2005, 03:36 PM
:drool:

dalemurphy
06-01-2005, 03:47 PM
June 1st isn't a deadline; it's a beginning. From June 1st until I think November, any player cut has their remaining prorated bonus count 1/2 on this year's cap and 1/2 on 2006. So, other than to accomodate the player being cut, there is no incentive for a team to do so immediately.

LikeABoss
06-01-2005, 05:53 PM
John Clayton was ESPN News and he said that Koren Robinson and Bobby Taylor will be cut.

Even though Koren has character issues, he will still be a hot commodity in free agency.

If the Texans want to get an experienced solid #2 WR with youth, athleticism, speed, and height advantage of opposing DB's, then I think they should give Robinson a look.

IMO, a change of scenery should help this guy revive his career.

TEXANS84
06-01-2005, 05:57 PM
John Clayton was ESPN News and he said that Koren Robinson and Bobby Taylor will be cut.

Even though Koren has character issues, he will still be a hot commodity in free agency.


Koren just can't stay out of the law though:

Seahawks | Robinson in Trouble Again - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:04:14 -0700

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Koren Robinson has been charged with DUI and reckless driving following a May 6 incident. This latest incident could spell the end for the troubled wide receiver in Seattle. He pleaded not guilty Tuesday, May 31 to the misdemeanor criminal charges filed in Kirkland Municipal Court, and he is due back before Judge Albert Raines July 18, documents show.

El Tejano
06-01-2005, 05:57 PM
John Clayton was ESPN News and he said that Koren Robinson and Bobby Taylor will be cut.

Even though Koren has character issues, he will still be a hot commodity in free agency.

If the Texans want to get an experienced solid #2 WR with youth, athleticism, speed, and height advantage of opposing DB's, then I think they should give Robinson a look.

IMO, a change of scenery should help this guy revive his career.
If he got in trouble in Seattle, he'll get in it in Houston.

texan279
06-01-2005, 06:04 PM
If the Texans want to get an experienced solid #2 WR with youth, athleticism, speed, and height advantage of opposing DB's, then I think they should give Robinson a look.

Just say NO to Koren Robinson :dangit:

ojthecat
06-01-2005, 06:11 PM
Even though Koren has character issues, he will still be a hot commodity in free agency.

If the Texans want to get an experienced solid #2 WR with youth, athleticism, speed, and height advantage of opposing DB's, then I think they should give Robinson a look.

IMO, a change of scenery should help this guy revive his career.

I think our talent level at WR is set. We have some young FAST talent. Now if we can get a TE or LT then yes I imagine that we will be looking.

LikeABoss
06-01-2005, 06:12 PM
The only opinion I look forward to hearing is Casserly's.

I take everyone else's opinion with a grain of salt.

And if Casserly brought in Victor Riley, and Phil Buchanon, then I'll bet he'll take the time out to evaluate Robinson to see if he contribute to the team.

dalemurphy
06-01-2005, 06:14 PM
Koren just can't stay out of the law though:

Seahawks | Robinson in Trouble Again - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:04:14 -0700

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Koren Robinson has been charged with DUI and reckless driving following a May 6 incident. This latest incident could spell the end for the troubled wide receiver in Seattle. He pleaded not guilty Tuesday, May 31 to the misdemeanor criminal charges filed in Kirkland Municipal Court, and he is due back before Judge Albert Raines July 18, documents show.

I believe he's already been suspended 4 games for testing positive for drugs. If so, I believe a DUI conviction (once in the program) is the same as a positive test and he could be facing another suspension.

TexanFan881
06-01-2005, 06:19 PM
I like Koren Robinson because he is capable of playing great football and being a great wideout for us or any other team out there... but how many DUI's can this guy get.

Porky
06-01-2005, 06:23 PM
I think our talent level at WR is set. We have some young FAST talent. Now if we can get a TE or LT then yes I imagine that we will be looking.

I like our group everywhere except WR2. At #2, we are one of the worst in the league if we have to use Bradford in that spot. I am hoping for Rod Gardner. Worst case, we wait another year.

jacquescas
06-01-2005, 06:44 PM
you are happier with the TE position than the WR 2 spot?

Davis37
06-01-2005, 06:50 PM
We need to stay away from Robinson... Just what we need, a WR that cant catch the ball.

Porky
06-01-2005, 07:06 PM
you are happier with the TE position than the WR 2 spot?

I didn't say that. I just said I think we are very weak at WR2. We are also very weak at TE. If I had the choice between making a mjor upgrade at one of the two, I would choose to upgrade TE..

Texan Dave
06-01-2005, 07:20 PM
Let the coaches see what they want with the whole wr#2 thing, it's Gaffenys 4'th year, and lots of WR's have break out years in year #4. (not saying all of them do, but lots of them do) Gaffeny is a 4.4 guy, and that's plenty fast enough to be #2, especially with Armstrong giving them enough talent at the slot to give Gaffeny a shot. I know that Gaffeny isn't a speed burner 4.2-4.3 guy, but Johnson is, Drew Bennit has been verry successfull as a #2 and he isn't anywear near as fast as Gaffeny.(of course I know he's about 4 inches taller to compensate)

Ibar_Harry
06-01-2005, 07:27 PM
Starling may be in the mix this year. He is quick, fast and has hands.

LikeABoss
06-01-2005, 07:53 PM
We need to stay away from Robinson... Just what we need, a WR that cant catch the ball.

Koren Robinson has already had a season with over 70 catches and a season with over 60 catches

Corey Bradford has never caught over 50 passes throughout his entire career in the NFL.

Koren Robinson has been in the league for four years and has a total of 213 catches.

Corey Bradford has been in the league for seven years and only has a total of 167 catches

Koren Robinson's game>>>Corey Bradford's entire existance in the NFL

Need more proof:

Bradford's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12234)

Robinson's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235239)

MojoMan
06-01-2005, 08:11 PM
We are fine at receiver. If the offensive line improves in its second year using a zone blocking scheme, which I believe they will, then the Texans passing game will improve significantly just because of that.

The smartest thing the Texans did this offseason was exercising a little patience and self control, actions which included sticking with the same starting OL, drafting a receiver in round four, re-signing bradford (who may be the number four or five receiver by the time the season starts). And all of this contrary to the counsel of the many "experts" here on this board.

Many people on this board seem to be modeling the following advice:

When in danger, or in doubt,
run in circles, scream and shout.

You guys crack me up.

Texan Dave
06-01-2005, 09:25 PM
LOL.... I liked that one.

D-ReK
06-01-2005, 09:42 PM
Koren Robinson has already had a season with over 70 catches and a season with over 60 catches

Corey Bradford has never caught over 50 passes throughout his entire career in the NFL.

Koren Robinson has been in the league for four years and has a total of 213 catches.

Corey Bradford has been in the league for seven years and only has a total of 167 catches

Koren Robinson's game>>>Corey Bradford's entire existance in the NFL

Need more proof:

Bradford's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12234)

Robinson's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235239)

Koren Robinson also had 10 drops in 2003 and added 10 more drops in 2004, whereas Bradford only had 1 drop in 2003 and 3 drops in 2004...As a previous poster said, we don't need receivers that can't catch the ball...

LikeABoss
06-01-2005, 10:34 PM
Koren Robinson also had 10 drops in 2003 and added 10 more drops in 2004, whereas Bradford only had 1 drop in 2003 and 3 drops in 2004...As a previous poster said, we don't need receivers that can't catch the ball...

First, can you provide a link to backup that claim.

Second, excluding this past season, Robinson has had way more balls thrown to him than Bradford, so of course Robinson's drops are gonna seem more inflated than Bradford's drops, because the ball is being thrown to Robinson more than Bradford.

Third, even with those 10 drops you are claiming, Robinson has still caught more passes in a season than Bradford, which I've pointed out in my earlier post.

I don't see how you can even try to comapre these two when Bradford has never caught over 50 passes nor recieved over 1000 yards throughout his entire existance in the NFL.

And why do you keep talking like no WR can drop a pass? You were saying that same stuff about Troy Williamson. Can you give this dropped passes stuff a rest, because all great WRs have dropped some passes.

D-ReK
06-01-2005, 10:50 PM
First, can you provide a link to backup that claim.

Second, excluding this past season, Robinson has had way more balls thrown to him than Bradford, so of course Robinson's drops are gonna seem more inflated that Bradford's drops, because the ball is being thrown to Robinson more than Bradford.

Third, even with those 10 drops you are claiming, Robinson has still caught more passes in a season than Bradford, which I've pointed out in my earlier post.

I don't see how you can even try to comapre these two when Bradford has never caught over 50 passes nor recieved over 1000 yards throughout his entire existance in the NFL.

And why do you keep talking like no WR drops any passes? You were saying that same stuff about Troy Williamson. Can you give this dropped passes stuff a rest, because all WRs drop passes.

Koren Robinson: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=5456&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 67 Drops: 10

2003

Targets: 119 Drops: 10

Corey Bradford: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=4379&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 54 Drops: 3

2003

Targets: 62 Drops: 1

I realize all WRs drop passes, but Robinson's drop numbers are ridiculous...Also, Robinson was a #1 WR in Seattle, so of course he's going to have more catches than Bradford, who has always been the second (or third) option...

LikeABoss
06-01-2005, 10:58 PM
Koren Robinson: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=5456&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 67 Drops: 10

2003

Targets: 119 Drops: 10

Corey Bradford: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=4379&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 54 Drops: 3

2003

Targets: 62 Drops: 1

I realize all WRs drop passes, but Robinson's drop numbers are ridiculous...Also, Robinson was a #1 WR in Seattle, so of course he's going to have more catches than Bradford, who has always been the second (or third) option...

Robinson wasn't the #1

Darrell Jackson is the #1 WR and always has been.

Robinson is the complimentary WR to Darrell Jackson.

texasguy346
06-01-2005, 11:07 PM
I tend to agree with DRek. Robinson's production isn't enough for me to ignore the baggage that comes along with him. Koren's has alot of talent, but his hands are horrible. The last thing I want is to see the OLine give Carr time to complete a pass to a wide open Robinson only to have him drop the ball. :brickwall

Texans Pride
06-01-2005, 11:07 PM
When in danger, or in doubt,
run in circles, scream and shout.

He He, I like this, I believe I will write it up and hang it in my classroom!

ATX
06-02-2005, 12:06 AM
All those recievers for Seattle except Rice have horrible hands. what's robinson gonna do with a rocket from carr? he'll drop even more passes. Instead of going out and picking up receivers, let out guys develop. i mean gaffney and armstrong will only get better, plus we got some young talent in mathis, starling, and thomas. i say we stay put at wr unless a young quality receiver is available that has a better upside than the 5 i mentioned above.

infantrycak
06-02-2005, 12:09 AM
Koren Robinson: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=5456&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 67 Drops: 10

2003

Targets: 119 Drops: 10

Corey Bradford: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=4379&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 54 Drops: 3

2003

Targets: 62 Drops: 1

I realize all WRs drop passes, but Robinson's drop numbers are ridiculous...Also, Robinson was a #1 WR in Seattle, so of course he's going to have more catches than Bradford, who has always been the second (or third) option...

Not jumping on one side or the other here, but just to make the comparison apples to apples--Robinson dropped 10.7 % of the passes thrown his way the last two years, Bradford dropped 3.8%--people need to give that one a rest. I will say this, regardless of whether Robinson is better or not, over the last two years Bradford's hands have not been a problem. Now getting open enough, Carr progressing thru to him, time for Carr.....

YodAa
06-02-2005, 12:15 AM
Hey guys I haven't been on all day so can someone fill me in on who got cut?

ATX
06-02-2005, 12:19 AM
not much news yet. westbrook re-signed with philly, thats about it.

YodAa
06-02-2005, 12:36 AM
thats it? that sucks I was hoping the Bucs would release some people.

texasguy346
06-02-2005, 12:41 AM
thats it? that sucks I was hoping the Bucs would release some people.

We'll probably hear more sometime tommorrow. The Bucs have been said to be interested in releasing Steussie, Garner, Stinchcomb, and Walker among others. I doubt you'll see all of them get released, but you could see a few being given their walking papers.

YodAa
06-02-2005, 01:21 AM
I would love to see them all go.

nWo
06-02-2005, 01:36 AM
i think the texans should try real hard to sign shelton, boulware, and law.

YodAa
06-02-2005, 01:56 AM
I don't see any point in us getting law since we already got DRob, PB, and Faggins

dalemurphy
06-02-2005, 10:13 AM
First off, the last thing the Texans need is a drunk who can't catch 9 yd in route from a QB who's arm doesn't exactly burn the ball to his WRs. Heck, I'm a better WR than Robinson because I don't do drugs and I don't get ridicuously drunk and then go driving. Second, we need to sign Shelton because Wade or whoever is at LT is about as good as a tree stump. Third, we aren't going to sign Law, because we don't have enough cap room to sign a guy who will get injured 6 weeks into the season. Plus, we want speed, and Law has lost a step. Fourth, what we need to do is get a decent TE. Hopefully, we can fiind someone. I'm out.

:sbad:


Yikes! Something tells me you call the Jim Rome show. First of all, Wade plays RT, Wand plays LT and they are both much better than a tree stump. What makes you think Shelton would be an improvement? Is it the hours of film study you've gone through analyzing Shelton? If you don't have the DirecTV Package you couldn't possibly have watched much of the Cardinals since Shelton was drafted. Second, we've got a decent TE. We signed Marcellus Rivers. I'm sure you don't know who he is but your ignorance of him doesn't make him a poor TE. Everyone would like to have Heap, Tony G., or Crumpler... However, there aren't many of those guys out there.

chuckm
06-02-2005, 10:41 AM
2004

Targets: 67 Drops: 10

2003

Targets: 119 Drops: 10

Corey Bradford: (http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/playerstats.asp?id=4379&Submit=Go)

2004

Targets: 54 Drops: 3

2003

Targets: 62 Drops: 1




Robinson's career: arrests and drug suspensions (I'm too lazy to research them)

Bradford's career: to my knowledge none of the above


I realize we've starting lowering our "good citizen" policies but Robinson's risk isn't worth the reward IMHO

Jakebrake
06-02-2005, 01:45 PM
From Today's Seattle Times:

It used to be so innocent, the way Koren Robinson would habitually show up late for Seahawks team meetings during his rookie NFL season, 2001.

But the problem continued. And it wasn't just his tardiness. Four years later, suspension, humiliation and even rehabilitation for alcohol abuse — plus Robinson's public acknowledgments of his problem and the promises to not take his opportunity to be in the NFL for granted — never seemed to be enough.

Robinson is in trouble again, and he might have run out of second chances with the Seahawks.

Today, or very soon, the athletically gifted wide receiver could be released because of his latest transgression. Robinson, 25, was arraigned Tuesday in Kirkland Municipal Court on charges of driving under the influence of alcohol and reckless driving that stemmed from an incident early on the morning of May 6.



Copyright © 2005 The Seattle Times Company

chuckm
06-02-2005, 01:50 PM
thanks Jake ...

PapaL
06-02-2005, 04:45 PM
ESPN News ticker say Johnnie Mortin - KC, Koren Robinson and Bobby Taylor - SEA have been released. Havent seen it on the web yet.

TexanFan881
06-02-2005, 04:53 PM
Seahawks | Robinson Released - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:44:13 -0700
Seahawks.com reports the Seattle Seahawks have released WR Koren Robinson.
Seahawks | Taylor Released - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:39:30 -0700

Seahawks.com reports the Seattle Seahawks have released CB Bobby Taylor.

Chiefs | Morton Contract Terminated - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:28:44 -0700

KcChiefs.com reports the Kansas City Chiefs have terminated the contract of WR Johnnie Morton. "We appreciate Johnnie Morton's effort during his tenure with the Kansas City Chiefs," Chiefs president Carl Peterson stated. "We wish him the best in the future."

Yes it is now official: about time some decent players were cut. :highfive:

And more...

KIRKLAND - The Seattle Seahawks have released wide receiver Koren Robinson and cornerback Bobby Taylor, the team announced Thursday afternoon.

The Seahawks acquired Joe Jurevicius and Jerome Pathon during the offseason as added depth to the receiver position.

Robinson was Seattle's first-round pick (ninth overall) in the 2001 NFL Draft and had played in 57 games with 52 starts. He had 213 receptions for 3,167 yards with 12 touchdowns and a long of 83 yards. He posted career-highs in 2002 with 78 receptions for 1,240 yards, becoming only the second Seattle receiver besides Steve Largent to surpass 1,200 yards in a single season.

The Seahawks signed Taylor in the 2004 offseason but he played in only nine games due to a knee injury. He recorded 13 tackles and one forced fumble, but missed the last seven games of the 2004 season.

The Seahawks also signed cornerbacks Andre Dyson and Kelly Herndon this offseason.

and on Johnnie Morton...

CHIEFS TERMINATE THE CONTRACT OF WR JOHNNIE MORTON
Jun 02, 2005, 1:28:00 PM

Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson announced on Thursday that the club has terminated the contract of WR Johnnie Morton.

“We appreciate Johnnie Morton’s effort during his tenure with the Kansas City Chiefs,” Peterson stated. “We wish him the best in the future.”

Morton (6-0, 185) played in 43 games (42 starts) in his three seasons (2002-04) with Kansas City. He caught 134 passes for 1,932 yards (14.4 avg.) with eight touchdowns and added 25 carries for 261 yards (10.4 avg.). In 2004, he recorded 55 receptions for 795 yards (14.5 avg.) with three TDs. He originally joined the club as a free agent on March 29, 2002.

Morton entered the NFL as a first-round draft pick (21st overall) of Detroit in ‘94. He played in career 126 regular season games (104 starts) with the Lions, catching 469 passes for 6,499 yards (13.9 avg.) with 35 TDs with 21 rushes for 143 yards (6.8 avg.). The 11-year veteran also returned 23 kickoffs for 559 yards (24.3 avg.) with a TD and seven punts for 48 yards (6.9 avg.). He started three playoff games, producing 10 catches for 105 yards (10.8 avg.) with a TD.

The Torrance, California native was an All-America selection as a senior at Southern California. He recorded 185 receptions for 2,957 yards (16.0 avg.) with 21 TDs in regular season contests for the Trojans.

Vinny
06-02-2005, 04:55 PM
I think Morton will re-sign for a smaller contract. I don't think he will be out on the market long.

TexanFan881
06-02-2005, 06:02 PM
Two more cuts:

49ers | Gragg Released - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:40:52 -0700

ESPNews reports the San Francisco 49ers have released OL Scott Gragg.

Bills | Pochman Waived - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:26:01 -0700

BuffaloBills.com reports the Buffalo Bills have waived PK Owen Pochman.

Plus:

Redskins | Gardner Roster Status Update - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:58:53 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, ESPN's John Clayton reports the Washington Redskins have not yet released WR Rod Gardner and do not plan to at this time. As reported, the team is still pursuing potential trades with other teams.

Redskins | Barrow Roster Status Update - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:58:05 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton, as an update to previous stories, reports the Washington Redskins have not yet released LB Mike Barrow (knee) and do not plan to do so yet. The team wants to give him a chance to test out his ailing knee during minicamp.

Raiders | Gannon Won't be Released, Will Retire Instead - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:59:13 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, ESPN's John Clayton reports Oakland Raiders QB Rich Gannon will not be released. Instead, Gannon will retire. He will remain on the team until they need additional salary cap room.

MrLizardTX
06-03-2005, 08:06 AM
First off... Hopefully, we can fiind someone. I'm out.

:sbad:

Great e-mail! Rack him!

rittenhouserobz
06-03-2005, 01:30 PM
We are fine at receiver. If the offensive line improves in its second year using a zone blocking scheme, which I believe they will, then the Texans passing game will improve significantly just because of that.

I believe the zone-blocking scheme is related to the running game. However, if the zone-blocking improves and more teams have to respect the run, then the passing may improve. :)

MojoMan
06-03-2005, 01:54 PM
Rittenhouse,

Thanks for the correction. The Texans OL was in a state of flux due to the introduction of new starting players on the offensive line, a new zone blocking scheme (for run blocking), and also a few injuries. If we can continue on the same course for a second year in a row, it is my sense that the OL will improve quite noticeably this year. Making substantial changes to the OL this year would lead to another transition year, and the problems and growing pains that go with that.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-03-2005, 02:19 PM
The talent on our line has been criticized by almost every other NFL scout. They all thought that our top need going into the draft was the O-line.

So they were all wrong........and David Carr was wrong, when he told the coaches to do something about the line ?

Our line just needs to gel..........sorry, but, I'm not buying it.

dalemurphy
06-03-2005, 02:41 PM
The talent on our line has been criticized by almost every other NFL scout. They all thought that our top need going into the draft was the O-line.

So they were all wrong........and David Carr was wrong, when he told the coaches to do something about the line ?

Our line just needs to gel..........sorry, but, I'm not buying it.

By every NFL scout, I assume you're referring to the TV/Radio personalities and columnists that populate the sports mass media market. Almost none of these guys have actually studied Wand up close or are any more aware of his abilities/limitations than you or I are. The opinions of true NFL scouts are too valuable to there respective teams to be circulated broadly on airwaves and the internet. You nor I actually know what they think about this OL.

dalemurphy
06-03-2005, 02:43 PM
Here's a sample of how these guys come to their conclusions:

Hmm, 49 sacks last year and 76 in 2002... Hmm, I don't recognize any of these names, and I've never even heard of this University that Seth Wand went to...

"Man, they really need to improve their OL. It's a glaring weakness."