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PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 02:00 PM
Our defense has been great this year but I get the feeling wade hasn't shown all his cards. Am i the only one that feels this way?

Playoffs
10-04-2012, 02:04 PM
Don't think he's gone to the lucky bikini underwear, yet.

TejasTom
10-04-2012, 02:06 PM
GQ was on the radio this week and said something along the lines of Wade has complex stuff in the game plan if he needs it, he just hasn't needed it.

Posted using Tapatalk from my phone. May contain errors.

PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 02:07 PM
whats that suppose to mean lol

TheIronDuke
10-04-2012, 02:07 PM
I think we've held back what we can do both offensively and defensively. Waiting for the competitive stretch in the schedule to open things up more. No point in giving the real teams more film than we need to.

PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 02:08 PM
GQ was on the radio this week and said something along the lines of Wade has complex stuff in the game plan if he needs it, he just hasn't needed it.

Posted using Tapatalk from my phone. May contain errors.

Thats what i thought. i also thoguht wade would move jj watt to a postion that gives him more opturtinys to get at the qb.

Vinny
10-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Our defense has been great this year but I get the feeling wade hasn't shown all his cards. Am i the only one that feels this way? wouldn't it be kinda dumb to show all your cards when your avg margin of victory is around 20 points?

This is almost the perpetual motion question...it answers itself if you let it.

PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 02:09 PM
I think we've held back what we can do both offensively and defensively. Waiting for the competitive stretch in the schedule to open things up more. No point in giving the real teams more film than we need to.

I hope your right Ray lewis scares me lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3j-m0YATs8&feature=related

HJam72
10-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Thats what i thought. i also thoguht wade would move jj watt to a postion that gives him more opturtinys to get at the qb.

JJ Watt only needs one position to get to the QB, and that is the on-the-field position.

michaelm
10-04-2012, 02:12 PM
Yes, I think the coaching staff has made a strategic decision to stay in their base packages for the most part, until a team starts to beat it.

And I believe that is true for offense, for the most part, as well as defense.

The only exception offensively was when they started the game against the jags with several screen plays in a row. I thought it worked well, but it seemed strange to me at the time.

PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 02:15 PM
Is the coaches holding back arian foster somewhat, hes still really good but hast had the same kinda dominance he had last year. Is it due to his vegan switch or we havnt let go of the leash yet.

gary
10-04-2012, 02:16 PM
Mercilus should play more.

HJam72
10-04-2012, 02:17 PM
Is the coaches holding back arian foster somewhat, hes still really good but hast had the same kinda dominance he had last year. Is it due to his vegan switch or we havnt let go of the leash yet.

Nobody's telling individual players not to play well. Something isn't right with the O-Line, and it's not just the right side, either. Something is....not bad, but just not as effective as before. Wasn't there a rule change of some kind effecting the backside blocks?

Premier
10-04-2012, 02:21 PM
I hope your right Ray lewis scares me lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3j-m0YATs8&feature=related

i saw ogbanaya blow up ray lewis in the raven-browns game.. ray has cemented a hell of a legacy but hes not the same guy in that video laying out steve mcnair and eddie george..

you remember ogbanaya.. our 4th rb last year..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKyWaJaXlUE

chicagotexan2
10-04-2012, 02:45 PM
Our defense has been great this year but I get the feeling wade hasn't shown all his cards. Am i the only one that feels this way?

Now playing... Simply Red performing off their greatest hit album 'Holding back the D'


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infantrycak
10-04-2012, 02:50 PM
And I believe that is true for offense, for the most part, as well as defense.

The only exception offensively was when they started the game against the jags with several screen plays in a row. I thought it worked well, but it seemed strange to me at the time.

I have been impressed the O has come in with very distinct game plans. The Denver game they were slinging it. But generally I agree with you.

Nobody's telling individual players not to play well. Something isn't right with the O-Line, and it's not just the right side, either. Something is....not bad, but just not as effective as before. Wasn't there a rule change of some kind effecting the backside blocks?

I mentioned this last year when we had a rushing slump. We run the stretch off two different angles. The OL sometimes comes off the line at about a 45 degree angle. Other times they come off at about 75 degrees. The larger angle seems to be much more successful to me. I would love to know what the coaches see/reason in making the choice.

PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 02:56 PM
i saw ogbanaya blow up ray lewis in the raven-browns game.. ray has cemented a hell of a legacy but hes not the same guy in that video laying out steve mcnair and eddie george..

you remember ogbanaya.. our 4th rb last year..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKyWaJaXlUE

I agree he is getting up there in age, just they have dominated us just like the colts and would like to see the texans finally beat baltimore

76Texan
10-04-2012, 03:10 PM
Nobody's telling individual players not to play well. Something isn't right with the O-Line, and it's not just the right side, either. Something is....not bad, but just not as effective as before. Wasn't there a rule change of some kind effecting the backside blocks?

Per Football Outsiders, the Texans currently ranked 4th on run to left end (this may involve the blocking of a TE, a WR, and a FB, or a pull by a lineman - could be the C, could be a G.) They ran 18% of the time this way.

They ranked 10th on run off right tackle (with the RG Guard often involved, as well the FB.) They ran 12% of the time here.

They ranked 17th up the middle, running 48% through these gaps.

They ranked 20th to right end, 12% of the time.

And finally, they ranked 29th off left tackle (with the LG often involved).
They ran here only 9% of the time for an average of 1.98 ypc.

From these numbers, we can see that so far the stretch plays work better to the left.

On the other hand, the inside zone plays are more successful to the right.

Why, I'm not totally sure.

76Texan
10-04-2012, 03:21 PM
Yes, I think the coaching staff has made a strategic decision to stay in their base packages for the most part, until a team starts to beat it.

And I believe that is true for offense, for the most part, as well as defense.

The only exception offensively was when they started the game against the jags with several screen plays in a row. I thought it worked well, but it seemed strange to me at the time.
I don't necessarily think that Wade has been holding back.
If I remember correctly, I think we blitzed the young QBs more.
And also, when we accumulated a big lead (which happened every game so far), we scaled back.

On offense, I remember reading a piece about Kubiak scripting plays while he was with the Broncos (we're doing the same thing here - about 15 plays.)
Basically, we work on a number of plays (or rather a number of sets of play) every week; game-planning differently against different opponents.
If the script works well, we stay with it; if it doesn't, we adjust.
Kubiak also said that once in a while, he would throw the script out of the window when it seems that the defense was well prepared for it.

HJam72
10-04-2012, 03:22 PM
LG getting old? :shrug:

Goldensilence
10-04-2012, 03:37 PM
I am sure there are some untested wrinkles in the defense that we've yet to see and I haven't seen Merciless too terribly much either, he should be fun to watch once he gets comfortable at this level. To be fair as well, they haven't faced a real high caliber offense so they haven't had to show some real exotic looks.

:wadepalm: to the poster suggesting moving Watt. Umm he's looking pretty damn good right now where he's at, why change it?

One thing I'd like them see is tighten up the rushing defense more after giving up a lot of yardage to a struggling CJ.

CloakNNNdagger
10-04-2012, 03:38 PM
You haven't seen that much chess movements of our D as when we were disguising things well during parts of last year. You will see that presnap perpetually moving D when we need to screw with the QBs' and O's minds to attain our ends. It will come when we face more elite O's.

PandapuffTexan
10-04-2012, 07:45 PM
JJ Watt only needs one position to get to the QB, and that is the on-the-field position.

texans are a 3-4 system, where his postion isnt suppose to make plays that what makes watt a dam good player. Was just thinking if we moved him he would shine even more

utahmark
10-04-2012, 07:47 PM
texans are a 3-4 system, where his postion isnt suppose to make plays that what makes watt a dam good player. Was just thinking if we moved him he would shine even more

I like him where he is at just fine.

Rey
10-04-2012, 08:33 PM
They move watt around a bunch.

GP
10-04-2012, 08:46 PM
I think we've held back what we can do both offensively and defensively. Waiting for the competitive stretch in the schedule to open things up more. No point in giving the real teams more film than we need to.

I agree with that.

IIRC, the Yates-Walter play in Cincy last year was something Kubiak had stashed away for a rainy day.

Anybody here recall that?

kiwitexansfan
10-04-2012, 08:59 PM
I think we've held back what we can do both offensively and defensively. Waiting for the competitive stretch in the schedule to open things up more. No point in giving the real teams more film than we need to.

This.

The one game where we have done things a little different was the Broncos game, games get tougher we play a bit more expansively.

Kubiak is king of just enough.

Wait till Packers and Ravens, that will be interesting to see what we have.

badboy
10-04-2012, 08:59 PM
Is Wade holding back? I surely hope so. To think it can get better is pretty sweet.

EllisUnit
10-04-2012, 09:13 PM
Can we break the points allowed in a single season record ???? At the pace we are at ?

the ravens record is 165

right now we have allowed 56, MOST of those to manning,,,,,hmm a few shut out or 3 point games and we could challenge that record.

Wolf6151
10-05-2012, 02:17 AM
Don't think he's gone to the lucky bikini underwear, yet.

Damn, that's an image in my head I didn't need. Hopefully Wade's holding back some formations for the Ravens and Packers.

kiwitexansfan
10-05-2012, 02:37 AM
Can we break the points allowed in a single season record ???? At the pace we are at ?

the ravens record is 165

right now we have allowed 56, MOST of those to manning,,,,,hmm a few shut out or 3 point games and we could challenge that record.

Doubt we have the personnel to compete with one of the all time great defenses.

I'll settle for the D holding the opponents to one less point than our offense can generate.

b0ng
10-05-2012, 11:21 AM
Is this thread because our OLB's have about 1.5 sacks in between the 3 top guys (Reed, Barwin, Mercilus)? I don't think Wade intended for JJ Watt and Antonio Smith to be the top two sack guys on the defense this year, but it's not as though the play of the DL hasn't been effective.

I haven't seen any breath taking blitzes or exotic stunts, but we have brought 5 or more enough times this season and I know they've done twists and stunts up front. One guy who hasn't rushed the passer as much as he did last year is Brian Cushing, and I wonder if it's because we all shudder at the thought of Bradie James in coverage on a TE.

TdotTexas2Step
10-05-2012, 12:08 PM
Wade Phillips may be holding back, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking there haven't been drives where our D has looked like what it used to. Denver is easily the best team we've played so far this year, and a lot of us here felt pretty helpless during the attempted comeback.

If Schaub doesn't complete that out route with Andre, who knows how the game may have ended.

Also, it won't matter if Wade opens the playbook if we don't develop that killer instinct on the offensive side of the ball. Contenders will make us pay for that, but that's an entirely different thread.

76Texan
10-05-2012, 12:48 PM
Wade Phillips may be holding back, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking there haven't been drives where our D has looked like what it used to. Denver is easily the best team we've played so far this year, and a lot of us here felt pretty helpless during the attempted comeback.

If Schaub doesn't complete that out route with Andre, who knows how the game may have ended.
Also, it won't matter if Wade opens the playbook if we don't develop that killer instinct on the offensive side of the ball. Contenders will make us pay for that, but that's an entirely different thread.
Nah, we dropped an INT late (there were others during the course of the game) and they benefited from a bogus PI call.

Corrosion
10-06-2012, 02:08 AM
I agree with that.

IIRC, the Yates-Walter play in Cincy last year was something Kubiak had stashed away for a rainy day.

Anybody here recall that?

Yes , that was the first time all year they ran that particular route combination. It was in the bag of tricks .... for when it was required.

Corrosion
10-06-2012, 02:11 AM
Nah, we dropped an INT late (there were others during the course of the game) and they benefited from a bogus PI call.

Should have had 4 INT's in that game .... and that PI call was one of the worst Ive ever seen , Jackson had better position to make a play on the ball than the reciever did .... I wanted to kick that ref in the junk.

Showtime100
10-06-2012, 03:12 AM
Our defense has been great this year but I get the feeling wade hasn't shown all his cards. Am i the only one that feels this way?

Yes, you are the on......forget it.

The Pencil Neck
10-06-2012, 10:06 PM
Yes , that was the first time all year they ran that particular route combination. It was in the bag of tricks .... for when it was required.

If I remember correctly, we ran a similar sort of thing a play or two before but with a different receiver as the primary read. When we saw how they were covering OD, they decided to do it again (slightly differently) knowing that if they got the same coverage, KW would break free.

Doppelganger
10-08-2012, 10:23 AM
Mercilus should play more.

He needs to come along slowly. Give him time to adjust to the speed of the game, the matchups, playbook etc. Think about how the Steelers and Giants do it: they allow young players with high potential to ease into their roles without overwhelming them. JPP was slowly eased into the lineup and look at him today. Same with Timmons.