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Wolf6151
10-04-2012, 01:54 AM
My newest picks for next year.

1. Kawaan Short-DT/NT, I like the size, ability to stuff the middle run, and stand up to the double teams. I'd have no problem with BB's pick of Jesse Williams-DT here either.
2. Dallas Thomas-OT, Tennessee has moved him from LT to LG this year but I think he has the athleticism to play RT and I don't have the confidence that BB has in Newton. I think Newton will be a very good swing OT for us much like Butler was but I don't think he's the answer to RT long term and Harris is a patchwork.
3. Jordan Poyer-CB, the more I look at next years CB class the less I like it. Many of them will be future Safeties in the NFL instead of CB's. I think Poyer adds some good depth after McCain leaves in FA and Harris moves up to Nickle.
3b. Quinton Patton-WR, I like this guys ability to catch with his hands, run routes, and ability to go over the middle/not afraid to play physical, decent speed as well. Despite what Jean, and Martin can do we need extra talent at the position and I've got no confidence in Posey at all. I also think Walter is a possible salary cap cut, hope not though.
4. Micah Hyde-CB/S, he's stiff for a CB and his future in the NFL is at Safety, for that reason I think he falls a little.
5. Jonathan Bostic-ILB, DT in the 1st lessens the need for an early ILB. I like Bostic's size, speed, and productivity. He adds depth to the position along with special teams.
5b. Blaze Foltz-OG, we've got Brooks and Jones already and I think Brooks in the starter at RG in 2013 so we only need some added depth at OG. I could also go for Braden Hansen-OG here as well.
6. Quinn Sharp-P, Jones is old for the NFL and a better P to hold the position for the next 10+ yrs. would be nice at a time when field position is so important. Sharp is also a Kicker so we'd have an extra K on the roster in cases of injury.
7. Erik Highsmith-WR, great size for the position and added depth to push our young corp. of WR's. I've read that he has a great work ethic as well.

rmartin65
10-04-2012, 06:55 AM
My newest picks for next year.

1. Kawaan Short-DT/NT, I like the size, ability to stuff the middle run, and stand up to the double teams. I'd have no problem with BB's pick of Jesse Williams-DT here either.
2. Dallas Thomas-OT, Tennessee has moved him from LT to LG this year but I think he has the athleticism to play RT and I don't have the confidence that BB has in Newton. I think Newton will be a very good swing OT for us much like Butler was but I don't think he's the answer to RT long term and Harris is a patchwork.
3. Jordan Poyer-CB, the more I look at next years CB class the less I like it. Many of them will be future Safeties in the NFL instead of CB's. I think Poyer adds some good depth after McCain leaves in FA and Harris moves up to Nickle.
3b. Quinton Patton-WR, I like this guys ability to catch with his hands, run routes, and ability to go over the middle/not afraid to play physical, decent speed as well. Despite what Jean, and Martin can do we need extra talent at the position and I've got no confidence in Posey at all. I also think Walter is a possible salary cap cut, hope not though.
4. Micah Hyde-CB/S, he's stiff for a CB and his future in the NFL is at Safety, for that reason I think he falls a little.
5. Jonathan Bostic-ILB, DT in the 1st lessens the need for an early ILB. I like Bostic's size, speed, and productivity. He adds depth to the position along with special teams.
5b. Blaze Foltz-OG, we've got Brooks and Jones already and I think Brooks in the starter at RG in 2013 so we only need some added depth at OG. I could also go for Braden Hansen-OG here as well.
6. Quinn Sharp-P, Jones is old for the NFL and a better P to hold the position for the next 10+ yrs. would be nice at a time when field position is so important. Sharp is also a Kicker so we'd have an extra K on the roster in cases of injury.
7. Erik Highsmith-WR, great size for the position and added depth to push our young corp. of WR's. I've read that he has a great work ethic as well.

1) I am a huge fan of Short. Sign me up, and dont think twice.

2) Going OT is a good call here, IMO. Newton has not looked bad, but it is another one of those positions where we could use an upgrade and depth. I dont know a ton about Thomas, but he seems like a good pick here.

3) I dont know a lot about Poyer. CB is always a solid pick though.

3) I really like Patton. Great pick.

4) I like Hyde as well. You may be underselling him at CB, but I could definitely see him being a starting caliber FS in the NFL.

5) I am not wild about Bostic. I just dont see an NFL player when I focus on him. ILB is a need though.

5) I dont know enough about Foltz, but oline depth is always good.

6) Punter? Why not.

7) I have not been impressed with Highsmith this year. Furthermore, we have a ton of you WRs, so I think grabbing just one (and a good one at that in Patton) will be enough. I would look for a pass rushing specialist, fullback, tight end or quarterback. Those seem, to me at least, positions where a rookie can slide onto the roster. WR just seems too stacked with young talent.

Nice work, I would be a happy camper.

Rey
10-04-2012, 07:28 AM
I don't see the need to take two db's that high. I'd much rather have an ilb instead of one of those db's.

I also don't see the need to go wr that high either.

When all of the wr's we have are healthy we can't even dress them all.

I think a pass rushing Olb is a need.

I'd like to see ilb, Olb, NT addressed in the first four rounds with OT or db if there is a guy that they really like.

beerlover
10-04-2012, 09:49 AM
My newest picks for next year.

1. Kawaan Short-DT/NT, I like the size, ability to stuff the middle run, and stand up to the double teams. I'd have no problem with BB's pick of Jesse Williams-DT here either.
2. Dallas Thomas-OT, Tennessee has moved him from LT to LG this year but I think he has the athleticism to play RT and I don't have the confidence that BB has in Newton. I think Newton will be a very good swing OT for us much like Butler was but I don't think he's the answer to RT long term and Harris is a patchwork.
3. Jordan Poyer-CB, the more I look at next years CB class the less I like it. Many of them will be future Safeties in the NFL instead of CB's. I think Poyer adds some good depth after McCain leaves in FA and Harris moves up to Nickle.
3b. Quinton Patton-WR, I like this guys ability to catch with his hands, run routes, and ability to go over the middle/not afraid to play physical, decent speed as well. Despite what Jean, and Martin can do we need extra talent at the position and I've got no confidence in Posey at all. I also think Walter is a possible salary cap cut, hope not though.
4. Micah Hyde-CB/S, he's stiff for a CB and his future in the NFL is at Safety, for that reason I think he falls a little.
5. Jonathan Bostic-ILB, DT in the 1st lessens the need for an early ILB. I like Bostic's size, speed, and productivity. He adds depth to the position along with special teams.
5b. Blaze Foltz-OG, we've got Brooks and Jones already and I think Brooks in the starter at RG in 2013 so we only need some added depth at OG. I could also go for Braden Hansen-OG here as well.
6. Quinn Sharp-P, Jones is old for the NFL and a better P to hold the position for the next 10+ yrs. would be nice at a time when field position is so important. Sharp is also a Kicker so we'd have an extra K on the roster in cases of injury.
7. Erik Highsmith-WR, great size for the position and added depth to push our young corp. of WR's. I've read that he has a great work ethic as well.

Short being of Purdue fame may have inside track with RS alum in charge. Run stopper with explosiveness, good work ethic who can collapse the pocket.

Dallas Thomas, addressing OT depth would be a solid choice. I would prefer Wisconsin OT Ricky Wagner especially for RT because of his size & core strength.

Jordan Poyer, how did you come up with him? excellent choice, Beavers led the nation with one of the best defenses & Poyer is just one of many studs. This is a really adept pick, even though DB is not this high of need IMO.

Finally address WR. Is it just me but are Texans that stacked @ WR? Andre has a couple or maybe three years until his Hall of Fame career is complete. Lestar Jean has played in 3 games over two years? Walter is not a weapon & also getting up there. K-mart has more drops than catches. Posey so far has been the invisible man. I see addressing WR with a legitimate playmaker critical & this year unlike last year use at least the 2nd pick on someone who can start make immediate impact. Patton reminds me a little of Brian Quick who I liked but went a lot higher #33 to St. Louis. Not worth that but if he was available this late hell yeah.

Second one to take Hyde. Love the Iowa program, tenacious player I see him as SS going forward, give Quin back-up.

Texans need to solidify ILB position. Cushing was a DE then a SAM before winding up @ ILB so we need to broaden our search. I'm intriqued with BB pick (Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky 6'1" 265) that's thinking outside the box.

Like the name Blaze. OL is always an option. If he is there this late another hell yeah!

I hear you with taking a punter, even though Donnie Jones has been excellent. I don't see Texans drafting a punter until his production drops.

We do have a ton of WR's which is exactly why taking an elite one early is so important. This late could be any position. Last year they took Mondek then cut him loose, didn't even sign him to the practice squad even though there are depth concerns @ position. Last couple years 7th rd. pick has meant diddly doo, so I would recommend using it earlier in the draft to move up a few spots in the 3rd or 4th to grab a Poyer or Patton :)

Wolf6151
10-04-2012, 08:08 PM
Short being of Purdue fame may have inside track with RS alum in charge. Run stopper with explosiveness, good work ethic who can collapse the pocket.

Dallas Thomas, addressing OT depth would be a solid choice. I would prefer Wisconsin OT Ricky Wagner especially for RT because of his size & core strength.

Jordan Poyer, how did you come up with him? excellent choice, Beavers led the nation with one of the best defenses & Poyer is just one of many studs. This is a really adept pick, even though DB is not this high of need IMO.

Finally address WR. Is it just me but are Texans that stacked @ WR? Andre has a couple or maybe three years until his Hall of Fame career is complete. Lestar Jean has played in 3 games over two years? Walter is not a weapon & also getting up there. K-mart has more drops than catches. Posey so far has been the invisible man. I see addressing WR with a legitimate playmaker critical & this year unlike last year use at least the 2nd pick on someone who can start make immediate impact. Patton reminds me a little of Brian Quick who I liked but went a lot higher #33 to St. Louis. Not worth that but if he was available this late hell yeah.

Second one to take Hyde. Love the Iowa program, tenacious player I see him as SS going forward, give Quin back-up.

Texans need to solidify ILB position. Cushing was a DE then a SAM before winding up @ ILB so we need to broaden our search. I'm intriqued with BB pick (Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky 6'1" 265) that's thinking outside the box.

Like the name Blaze. OL is always an option. If he is there this late another hell yeah!

I hear you with taking a punter, even though Donnie Jones has been excellent. I don't see Texans drafting a punter until his production drops.

We do have a ton of WR's which is exactly why taking an elite one early is so important. This late could be any position. Last year they took Mondek then cut him loose, didn't even sign him to the practice squad even though there are depth concerns @ position. Last couple years 7th rd. pick has meant diddly doo, so I would recommend using it earlier in the draft to move up a few spots in the 3rd or 4th to grab a Poyer or Patton :)


Thanks for the review guys, good constructive criticism. Although I disagree that a pass rushing OLB is a need, we're deep at OLB.

*Short or Jesse Williams just make so much sense for our system. I think both would work equally well here.
*I like Wagner as well but like BB pointed out to me he seems a little slow for NFL OT. I think he'd be a stud at OG for us but he'd be like Winston at RT, great in run blocking but has trouble with the outside speed rushers.
*I just watched a bunch of videos looking for basic CB skills and athleticism/fluidity. I looked at Johnny Adams, Micah Hyde, Logan Ryan, Jordan Poyer, and Terry Hawthorne. I really like Hawthorne but there's no way he's still available in the 3rd, looks to be an early 2nd to me. Hyde and Ryan both look like future Safeties, and Adams is ehhhh nothing special. Of course everything will change between now and April, some will move up and some down.
*I see Hyde as depth behind Quin as well and our Safety depth needs alot of work. Hyde only falls to the 4th because of a change of positions transferring to the NFL.
*I'd like to solidify ILB as well but how early of a pick do we spend on a 2 down rotational player? Also the need for ILB will be lessened with a better DT/NT in the middle. I like Jackson as well.
*I like Blaze size, strength, and experience at the position.
*I'm just thinking we solidify the P position for the next 10-12 yrs. so that we can quit buying these relatively expensive aged FA every year. We can save some money here, and have a backup K as well.
*I thought of an extra WR here for competition purposes. I could also go for a FB to solidify the position as well, maybe Zach Boren-FB from Ohio St. Most 7th round picks don't make their respective teams rosters as long as the roster has good talent already. I'm thinking the extra competition will be good because I like Martin but Jean hasn't shown me anything to go wow about and Posey is a mistake that will take Kubiak years to admit to. Even if Posey works out I think he tops out as a #3 or #4 WR, nothing special.

beerlover
10-05-2012, 08:49 AM
Thanks for the review guys, good constructive criticism. Although I disagree that a pass rushing OLB is a need, we're deep at OLB.

*Short or Jesse Williams just make so much sense for our system. I think both would work equally well here.
*I like Wagner as well but like BB pointed out to me he seems a little slow for NFL OT. I think he'd be a stud at OG for us but he'd be like Winston at RT, great in run blocking but has trouble with the outside speed rushers.
*I just watched a bunch of videos looking for basic CB skills and athleticism/fluidity. I looked at Johnny Adams, Micah Hyde, Logan Ryan, Jordan Poyer, and Terry Hawthorne. I really like Hawthorne but there's no way he's still available in the 3rd, looks to be an early 2nd to me. Hyde and Ryan both look like future Safeties, and Adams is ehhhh nothing special. Of course everything will change between now and April, some will move up and some down.
*I see Hyde as depth behind Quin as well and our Safety depth needs alot of work. Hyde only falls to the 4th because of a change of positions transferring to the NFL.
*I'd like to solidify ILB as well but how early of a pick do we spend on a 2 down rotational player? Also the need for ILB will be lessened with a better DT/NT in the middle. I like Jackson as well.
*I like Blaze size, strength, and experience at the position.
*I'm just thinking we solidify the P position for the next 10-12 yrs. so that we can quit buying these relatively expensive aged FA every year. We can save some money here, and have a backup K as well.
*I thought of an extra WR here for competition purposes. I could also go for a FB to solidify the position as well, maybe Zach Boren-FB from Ohio St. Most 7th round picks don't make their respective teams rosters as long as the roster has good talent already. I'm thinking the extra competition will be good because I like Martin but Jean hasn't shown me anything to go wow about and Posey is a mistake that will take Kubiak years to admit to. Even if Posey works out I think he tops out as a #3 or #4 WR, nothing special.

we are in complete agreement on this topic, you must be reflecting on others comments.:handshake:

76Texan
10-05-2012, 12:55 PM
How can we be sure that Barwin will resign?
I like Mercilus, but neither him nor Brahman has seen much of the field to show what they are capable of.

Usually, it looks to me like the Texans almost always try to cover all the bases entering a season.

When do they need to have a deal done, if there's gonna be one?

badboy
10-05-2012, 03:01 PM
How can we be sure that Barwin will resign?
I like Mercilus, but neither him nor Brahman has seen much of the field to show what they are capable of.

Usually, it looks to me like the Texans almost always try to cover all the bases entering a season.

When do they need to have a deal done, if there's gonna be one?

As of now, why would we offer Barwin a new deal?

Wolf6151
10-05-2012, 03:13 PM
I'm not worried about Barwin at all. I think his lack of stat productivity is caused by several factors. He's been going against several of the best LT's in the game, the scheme we've been running is partially to blame, and Watt has just been flat out dominant on the inside. I think Barwin re-signs for a good deal like Brown and Schaub.

badboy
10-05-2012, 03:21 PM
I'm not worried about Barwin at all. I think his lack of stat productivity is caused by several factors. He's been going against several of the best LT's in the game, the scheme we've been running is partially to blame, and Watt has just been flat out dominant on the inside. I think Barwin re-signs for a good deal like Brown and Schaub.We have 12 games left; he needs to have 10 sacks and several hurries or good plays for me to take OLB off my mock. In Wade's scheme OLBs are set up to make sacks.The fact Watt is doing well has little to do with Barwin's lack of productivity.

76Texan
10-05-2012, 04:00 PM
We have 12 games left; he needs to have 10 sacks and several hurries or good plays for me to take OLB off my mock. In Wade's scheme OLBs are set up to make sacks.The fact Watt is doing well has little to do with Barwin's lack of productivity.

Uhhhm, BB.

Some of the guys in Wade's system made a lot of plays to the inside, a certain HOF comes to mind.

The shortest distance to the QB is still the inside.
When you're in one-on-one situation, this guy has a better chance to get there first.
Watt is just incredibly quick/strong and use his hands/arms so well, these interior O-linemen are not used to it.

The fact that Reggie White had his best 3 years of his career under Phillips is a proof (his second, third and fourth year).
Wade used him as a playmaker and moved him around pretty much the same way he's using Watt right now.

76Texan
10-05-2012, 04:03 PM
As of now, why would we offer Barwin a new deal?

I know, and that is why I agree that a look at OLB in the draft is deserving... at least just so that you can cover all the bases.

beerlover
10-05-2012, 04:16 PM
I know, and that is why I agree that a look at OLB in the draft is deserving... at least just so that you can cover all the bases.

You can also say Barwin helps Watt because he sets/holds the edge while collapsing the pocket. I wouldn't trade Barwin straight up for Mario Williams. Other than missing one season because of injury he has been a model of both consistency & production. Sack numbers are just another stat which does not accurately represent the whole picture, still, he could wind up w/double digit sacks (come in bunches).

badboy
10-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Uhhhm, BB.

Some of the guys in Wade's system made a lot of plays to the inside, a certain HOF comes to mind.

The shortest distance to the QB is still the inside.
When you're in one-on-one situation, this guy has a better chance to get there first.
Watt is just incredibly quick/strong and use his hands/arms so well, these interior O-linemen are not used to it.

The fact that Reggie White had his best 3 years of his career under Phillips is a proof (his second, third and fourth year).
Wade used him as a playmaker and moved him around pretty much the same way he's using Watt right now.Have no idea what your point is. My post says I expect more sacks from Barwin. You say Watt is getting sacks based on incredible skills, so what? I agree, but Barwin should still being doing much better than zero.

I am looking at the system Wade is using with the Texans. Phillips has said he works with what he has. This was said when addressing the nose. With the Texans what position has the most sacks, interior lineman or OLB? Antonio Smith got 6 sacks last year from the same short distance as Watt. Same year Barwin had 11.5 sacks. This front seven should be getting sacks from all positions except nose.

badboy
10-05-2012, 07:42 PM
You can also say Barwin helps Watt because he sets/holds the edge while collapsing the pocket. I wouldn't trade Barwin straight up for Mario Williams. Other than missing one season because of injury he has been a model of both consistency & production. Sack numbers are just another stat which does not accurately represent the whole picture, still, he could wind up w/double digit sacks (come in bunches).Set aside sacks for now and you are saying you are good with Barwin's production first four games? If yes, I cannot understand why.

beerlover
10-05-2012, 11:58 PM
Set aside sacks for now and you are saying you are good with Barwin's production first four games? If yes, I cannot understand why.

Think in terms of TEAM for a moment. Does it really matter WHO gets the SACKS just long as they get SACKS? When teams focus more emphasis on WATT, because they have to, it will open up lanes for other pass rushers, including Barwin who so far has faced Jake Long (1st overall pick 08) Eugene Monroe (8th overall 09), Ryan Clady (12th overall 08) & Michael Roos (42nd 05) one could easily argue they are the strength of each teams OL. This week he gets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4th overall selection in 06, one many Texan fans I remember wanted over the big three including Mario.

So please think about the competition he faces & matched up with, his responsibility for setting the edge keeping containment then trying to get to the QB first before some SWATT guy who is having a pro bowl year get's there first :thinking:

I also don't base my impression of Connor after only four games. Would I like to see more production, sacks, you betcha but defense is strong, he plays his role still well, sooner or later he will break through just like he's proved in the past. Texans have far greater needs than adding another OLB into an already crowded can't get a Mercilus attack.

76Texan
10-06-2012, 12:40 AM
We have 12 games left; he needs to have 10 sacks and several hurries or good plays for me to take OLB off my mock. In Wade's scheme OLBs are set up to make sacks.The fact Watt is doing well has little to do with Barwin's lack of productivity.

Let's backtrack a litlle bit.

What I disagree with you here is the claim that Wade's scheme is designed for the OLB to make more sacks.

Pray tell me how it's supposed to be done?

Wolf6151
10-06-2012, 01:56 AM
You can also say Barwin helps Watt because he sets/holds the edge while collapsing the pocket. I wouldn't trade Barwin straight up for Mario Williams. Other than missing one season because of injury he has been a model of both consistency & production. Sack numbers are just another stat which does not accurately represent the whole picture, still, he could wind up w/double digit sacks (come in bunches).


Think in terms of TEAM for a moment. Does it really matter WHO gets the SACKS just long as they get SACKS? When teams focus more emphasis on WATT, because they have to, it will open up lanes for other pass rushers, including Barwin who so far has faced Jake Long (1st overall pick 08) Eugene Monroe (8th overall 09), Ryan Clady (12th overall 08) & Michael Roos (42nd 05) one could easily argue they are the strength of each teams OL. This week he gets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4th overall selection in 06, one many Texan fans I remember wanted over the big three including Mario.

So please think about the competition he faces & matched up with, his responsibility for setting the edge keeping containment then trying to get to the QB first before some SWATT guy who is having a pro bowl year get's there first :thinking:

I also don't base my impression of Connor after only four games. Would I like to see more production, sacks, you betcha but defense is strong, he plays his role still well, sooner or later he will break through just like he's proved in the past. Texans have far greater needs than adding another OLB into an already crowded can't get a Mercilus attack.


BL, 2 very good posts. I couldn't agree more. Guys there's nothing wrong with Barwin. He's playing very well within the scheme we're currently running and he goes against the opponents best O-lineman every week. He sets the edge and turns the RB back into the middle, like he should be doing. As long as the D is playing well it really doesn't matter who gets the stats. Teams will adjust to Watt sometime soon and Smith will start getting lots of stats along with Reed and Barwin. Look at Barwins lack of sack stats as money off his next contract. Barwin is just fine and I really hope we re-sign him. I really see no need for OLB in the 2013 draft unless we lose Barwin to FA and I really hope that doesn't happen.

Rey
10-06-2012, 04:09 AM
Barwin has not been playing well. The qb is not sacked by Jj watt everytime he drops back.

There have been plenty opportunities for barwin to make plays and he hasn't. IMO, he's put on too much weight. He needs to slim down some.

beerlover
10-06-2012, 09:40 AM
Barwin has not been playing well. The qb is not sacked by Jj watt everytime he drops back.

There have been plenty opportunities for barwin to make plays and he hasn't. IMO, he's put on too much weight. He needs to slim down some.

Kubiak - (on OLB Connor Barwins play this season) I think hes playing very well. I dont know that I've ever seen a ball go away from a guy so much. I know its difficult because hes used to having those sacks and those production-type things that people see statistically. But I can just tell you (OLB) Connor Barwin is playing as well as hes ever played, as hard as hes ever played. Things will come his way. They tend to even out. Were proud of how hes playing. I think were benefiting inside because of how well Connor and (OLB) Brooks (Reed) are playing outside.

Rey
10-06-2012, 12:40 PM
Kubiak -

What do you expect him to say?

Kubiak once said zac diles was looking like a pro bowler. He defended jacoby endlessly and if you ask him about him now he'd say positive things about him.

I really don't care what kubiak says to the press. Barwin has not played well at the wolb position. Reed doesn't have gaudy stats either but I know what I'm looking at on the field and I don't even pay attention to stats religiously. Reed has played his position we, barwin has been below average.

Barwin should lose some weight to get more explosion off the snap.
Almost all of the pass rushers have a sack or a few qb pressures except the nose tackle and the wolb who is supposed to be one of your better pass rushers.

He'll beyond that, just be more active. Show up in the frame more. Be around the ball more. He's not even making his presence felt out there. If we lose watt I think we'll have to scheme our way to a successful pass rush because I don't see barwin winning his individual match ups right now.

Hence my belief that we could benefit greatly from a really good outside pass rusher.

infantrycak
10-06-2012, 02:42 PM
What do you expect him to say?

Kubiak once said zac diles was looking like a pro bowler. He defended jacoby endlessly and if you ask him about him now he'd say positive things about him.

Kubiak has also called out players for under performing and needing to work on things so your belief Kubiak was just blowing smoke on Diles and Jacoby is illogical.

Your disagreement about Diles and JJ doesn't mean Kubiak was engaged in puffery. Diles is a starting LB and JJ is in the same role at WR on a SB contender.

badboy
10-06-2012, 03:58 PM
What do you expect him to say?

Kubiak once said zac diles was looking like a pro bowler. He defended jacoby endlessly and if you ask him about him now he'd say positive things about him.

I really don't care what kubiak says to the press. Barwin has not played well at the wolb position. Reed doesn't have gaudy stats either but I know what I'm looking at on the field and I don't even pay attention to stats religiously. Reed has played his position we, barwin has been below average.

Barwin should lose some weight to get more explosion off the snap.
Almost all of the pass rushers have a sack or a few qb pressures except the nose tackle and the wolb who is supposed to be one of your better pass rushers.

He'll beyond that, just be more active. Show up in the frame more. Be around the ball more. He's not even making his presence felt out there. If we lose watt I think we'll have to scheme our way to a successful pass rush because I don't see barwin winning his individual match ups right now.

Hence my belief that we could benefit greatly from a really good outside pass rusher.This is my position and glad I am not the only one seeing what I see. I realize Barwin is going against good players but he went against good players last year also.
Some of you say I'd be adding an OLB to a crowded position. I'd draft one with Barwin being off roster so it would not be crowded.

76Texan
10-07-2012, 09:30 AM
I'm somewhere in the middle.
Barwin is doing OK, but nothing to really write home about.
(And I don't care if he doesn't have a sack; he needs to have a little more presence in the backfield.)

Rey
10-07-2012, 09:32 AM
Kubiak has also called out players for under performing and needing to work on things so your belief Kubiak was just blowing smoke on Diles and Jacoby is illogical.

Your disagreement about Diles and JJ doesn't mean Kubiak was engaged in puffery. Diles is a starting LB and JJ is in the same role at WR on a SB contender.

You are wrong on every level. One, I wasn't asserting that kubiak was "blowing smoke". I was asserting that.....he could be incorrect...gasp....

Kubiak does not criticize players publicly and he will only acknowledge that players have not played well when it becomes painfully obvious.

And Diles being a starting lb means what?

Kubiak said he was on the verge of being a pro bowler. The guy has bounced around the league and is a mediocre player. He is a starting lb on one of the worst teams in the league and that somehow, in your mind, justifies Kubiak's assertion that Diles was about to be a pro bowl level player? Talk about illogical.

And jacoby is doing well for Baltimore, but once again, my point is that despite jacoby's shortcomings HERE kubiak never bashed jacoby and even after the punt debae in baltimore he didnt speak negatively about him He talked him up a bunch--even when he struggled.

He's saying barwin is playing well, so I guess if he bounces around from the rams, unemployment and colts and ends up starting for one of the worse teams in the league then in your mind kubiak was right.

infantrycak
10-07-2012, 10:32 AM
You are wrong on every level. One, I wasn't asserting that kubiak was "blowing smoke". I was asserting that.....he could be incorrect...gasp....

Totally disingenuous. Asking "what do you expect him to say" does not imply someone is incorrect sometimes. It implies they are always going to say positive things.

Kubiak does not criticize players publicly ...

Yes he does. There have even been multiple threads around here about his calling out various players and whether it was a smart motivational technique. There are lots of smaller comments which are critical but don't result in separate threads.

But really your whole response is dancing around. Are you asserting (1) Kubiak is blowing smoke or (2) Kubiak states things he believes but is just incorrect?

Rey
10-15-2012, 09:57 AM
1) Dion Jordan, OLB

2) Michael Mauti, ILB

3) Abry Jones, NT

3) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE

4) Johnny Adams, CB

5) Denard Robinson, RB/WR

6) BPA

7) BPA

Rey
10-15-2012, 10:00 AM
Totally disingenuous. Asking "what do you expect him to say" does not imply someone is incorrect sometimes. It implies they are always going to say positive things.



Yes he does. There have even been multiple threads around here about his calling out various players and whether it was a smart motivational technique. There are lots of smaller comments which are critical but don't result in separate threads.

But really your whole response is dancing around. Are you asserting (1) Kubiak is blowing smoke or (2) Kubiak states things he believes but is just incorrect?


No he does not. Kubiak does not come out and say X player is underperforming. He might (MIGHT) come out and say that a guy has messed up when it's completely obvious, but on a general basis Kubiak does not talk negatively about players nor coaches in the media. You suggesting he does is ridiculous.

And my response is not dancing around. I have no idea why Kubiak is saying Barwin is playing well. How the hell am I supposed to know that. All I know is that what is coming out of his mouth and what is happening in reality does not match up. You can assign whatever reason you want.

Goldensilence
10-15-2012, 03:39 PM
I'm not draft savy as some people on the board, but at this point I'm not looking at specific players as much as gauging what we're likely to need after the season ends.

Looking at the team right now, I am not sure James has been anything more than a stop gap, he could be valuable depth next year though. I do think ILB or RT should be considered the biggest spots to address.

Initially it looked like WR could be solved this year. Well, I guess good news is the position LOOKS young and deep. I think Martin could turn into a slot burner, Jean when healthy looks like he could turn into a #2, but Posey ....Well I still think it's a wasted third rounder. I just hope we see something better next year. Bottom line though is there doesn't look like there's a stud guy here. The FO could look WR high like Round 2.

I think with our 2 #rds the FO should look to DT, I think Cody will re-sign pretty cheaply and I think he does a good job. (I also like On the Nose), but we do need some help here and it would be interesting to see this defense with a guy who can get serious push up the middle. Second, I am not sure Caldwell resigns next year, but Jones is looking good in snaps and Brooks has the physical tools to dominate, who do we have after those two?

I do think this coming draft the FO will really have the ability to take BPA this year.

rmartin65
10-15-2012, 06:21 PM
1) Dion Jordan, OLB

2) Michael Mauti, ILB

3) Abry Jones, NT

3) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE

4) Johnny Adams, CB

5) Denard Robinson, RB/WR

6) BPA

7) BPA

Outside of your first round pick, I love the mock. Mauti fits a need and is a hard nosed player, Jones fits at NT, Fiedo, while not having the breakout season I expected is still a talented player, Adams can bolster the secondary, and Robinson would be a fun toy for Kubiak.

However, I just dont like Jordan, especially in the first. I dont see what other people see.

Wolf6151
10-15-2012, 09:01 PM
1) Dion Jordan, OLB

2) Michael Mauti, ILB

3) Abry Jones, NT

3) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE

4) Johnny Adams, CB

5) Denard Robinson, RB/WR

6) BPA

7) BPA


I like Jordan but not in the first and don't see the need at OLB. I don't like Robinson, he just doesn't have a position in the NFL, maybe in the 6th or 7th but I think the 5th is to early for a project player without a position. What can you tell me about Abry Jones, I asked about him in the college forum but never got any answers and haven't seen him play though I like the size and critiques that I've read. Jones might be a 3rd-4th round NT candidate if we don't get Short or either of the Williams.