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Mr. WhoDat
10-03-2012, 11:10 AM
http://www.sptalk.net/?p=1142

Looks like our Texans are number one in this poll too... but they have a bold prediction saying that Wade will probably get another chance at a head coaching job.

Texn4life
10-03-2012, 11:12 AM
For a team looking for a short term fix or boost it wouldn't surprise me one bit. I'd love to see him retire as the Texans' DC, but I don't think it's likely.

TexansFanatic
10-03-2012, 11:22 AM
Oldest head coach to win an NFL championship: George Halas was 68 in 1963.

Oldest head coach to win a Super Bowl: Dick Vermeil was 63 in 1999.

Oldest man to head coach an NFL team: Marv Levy tied with George Halas at 72.

Can't find a stat on the oldest head coach ever HIRED by an NFL team.

Uncle Wade will be 66 years old when training camp starts next summer.

I don't see him being a head coach again, but I could be wrong.

EDIT: Looks like Dick LeBeau was the oldest rookie NFL head coach ever hired --- he was 63. Joe Gibbs was also 63 when he was RE-HIRED by the Redskins in 2004.

2nd EDIT: Tom Coughlin broke Dick Vermeil's record earlier this year, winning a Super Bowl at 65.

ChampionTexan
10-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Oldest head coach to win an NFL championship: George Halas was 68 in 1963.

Oldest head coach to win a Super Bowl: Dick Vermeil was 63 in 1999.

Oldest man to head coach an NFL team: Marv Levy tied with George Halas at 72.

Can't find a stat on the oldest head coach ever HIRED by an NFL team.

Uncle Wade will be 66 years old when training camp starts next summer.

I don't see him being a head coach again, but I could be wrong.

I think some of your info. is out of date. Coughlin was 65 when he won the Super Bowl this past January (edit - should be February).

DX-TEX
10-03-2012, 11:42 AM
I honestly think Wade is happy right now. He is the highest paid DC in the league, coaching in his home city where his family is on a peddistool and gets to be around his dad who is up there in age.

TexansFanatic
10-03-2012, 11:49 AM
I think some of your info. is out of date. Coughlin was 65 when he won the Super Bowl this past January (edit - should be February).

Quite right. Thanks.

michaelm
10-03-2012, 11:57 AM
Yeah, Wade will end up as HC of the cowgirls again, after they fire Garrett following their next loss.

:kitten:

Tailgate
10-03-2012, 12:08 PM
Live in the NOW maaaaaaaaan.

gary
10-03-2012, 12:09 PM
Who would replace Wade? If he replaced with another good DC it should not matter.

infantrycak
10-03-2012, 12:12 PM
Who would replace Wade? If he replaced with another good DC it should not matter.

C'mon, let's not act like just any good ol' DC would do.

But I don't think Wade is going anywhere. He had a chance to interview for the Bucs and turned it down.

Goldensilence
10-03-2012, 12:17 PM
I'll worry about Wade's chances of getting another HC gig after the season.

If I was him at this point.... why would I though?

He's the highest paid DC in the league (rightfully so) and has pretty much the same latitude as a HC here.

In Houston he's much more revered than the HC.

I think Him and Kubiak are in position to be in a very good symbiotic relationship and could very well win a championship or two.

Texn4life
10-03-2012, 12:24 PM
His age will no doubt be a factor in any teams hiring him which is why I said it would have to be a team looking for a quick fix. Like it or not Wade's regular season record as a head coach is pretty good. For a team like the Browns who really need to revive their fan base I think Wade would be a great hire. Again, I hope this doesn't happen but he's made it known he'd like to be a HC again.

The good thing is the Browns position is the only one I could see being a viable opportunity after this year. If the Chiefs continue to struggle then they'll likely go a different route than what they have in Crennel. The rest of the teams that are likely to struggle have young QBs or new coaches so I don't anticipate many openings. The Chargers, Chiefs, Eagles, Browns, Bills, Cowboys, Titans, and Lions because of their lack of discipline are the main teams that come to mind. I don't see him as a fit anywhere but Cleveland. The longer it takes for him to get a job the better.

gary
10-03-2012, 12:24 PM
C'mon, let's not act like just any good ol' DC would do.

But I don't think Wade is going anywhere. He had a chance to interview for the Bucs and turned it down.It does matter who the next DC is. You want someone with a good track record. I see Wade staying.

Dutchrudder
10-03-2012, 12:26 PM
http://www.sptalk.net/?p=1142

Looks like our Texans are number one in this poll too... but they have a bold prediction saying that Wade will probably get another chance at a head coaching job.

as the head coach of the Texans...?

:bender:

Texn4life
10-03-2012, 12:27 PM
C'mon, let's not act like just any good ol' DC would do.

But I don't think Wade is going anywhere. He had a chance to interview for the Bucs and turned it down.

We all know he turned that interview down out of guilt. He was getting a lot of heat about taking that interview during the playoff push, but deep down I think he really wanted to take it.

infantrycak
10-03-2012, 12:28 PM
We all know he turned that interview down out of guilt. He was getting a lot of heat about taking that interview during the playoff push, but deep down I think he really wanted to take it.

We all know that? No, that is your crystal ball.

Mr. WhoDat
10-03-2012, 01:21 PM
He's said he is happy here, but he still wants to be a head coach. I think if he was paid as much as a head coach, then he would stay. Other than Philly or KC not sure what coaching vacancys will be open. I guess there is a chance that Rex Ryan might be gone.

Texn4life
10-03-2012, 01:25 PM
We all know that? No, that is your crystal ball.

So he went from talking about how much he wanted a Head Coaching gig, started getting blasted by the media, and took a meeting with McNair to discuss the matter before he told Tampa nevermind. Yeah a crystal ball is really necessary for that one.

NitroGSXR
10-03-2012, 01:28 PM
C'mon, let's not act like just any good ol' DC would do.

But I don't think Wade is going anywhere. He had a chance to interview for the Bucs and turned it down.

I actually bumped into Wade's sister a couple weeks ago and we discussed this. He is DEFINITELY interested in trying to get another head coaching gig. I shared about this in my "Musings of a Deaf Person" thread.

gtexan02
10-03-2012, 01:38 PM
If he leaves, I hope we replace from in house. I like the system we have in place now and wouldn't want anything to change. Hopefully after two years an assistant would have picked up enough to keep the system in place

HOU-TEX
10-03-2012, 02:23 PM
C'mon, let's not act like just any good ol' DC would do.

But I don't think Wade is going anywhere. He had a chance to interview for the Bucs and turned it down.

I hope you're right, but I think he'll eventually do it. He's made it known he wants to be a HC again. Let's just hope the rest of the league thinks he's too old. Ha

If he does happen to leave (not really comfortable discussing this in week 4 1/2) I REALLY, REALLY, hope Kubiak is out of the decision making process of the new DC. I also'd like to stay with the 3-4

guichows6
10-03-2012, 03:48 PM
It must suck to have to worry about our dc leaving next year..id rather enjoy the fact that he will be here right now, and for the rest of the season..enjoy it while it lasts..

TexansFanatic
10-03-2012, 04:17 PM
I REALLY, REALLY, hope Kubiak is out of the decision making process of the new DC.

Man, you got that right! McNair really saved Kubiak's butt by intervening and bringing in Wade.

A lot of folks think Buddy Ryan deserves more credit than Mike Ditka for the Bears 1985 Super Bowl victory. Ditka was also paired with his DC by the owner, George Halas. Let's hope this works out the same way (without all the off-the-field soap operas).

Hervoyel
10-03-2012, 04:24 PM
We all know that? No, that is your crystal ball.


Ok, so my gut feeling is no more accurate than his crystal ball but it tells me the same thing. I think he wants (or wanted) another shot. He didn't take it for some reason. Loyalty to the Texans organization? The fact that the Bucs job was going from a model franchise back into a dysfunctional one (and he'd just come out of one of those) We'll never know I guess but my gut tells me based on the look on his face when he spoke with reporters after deciding not to take the job that he was wanting another shot at running the show.

NitroGSXR
10-03-2012, 04:39 PM
Ok, so my gut feeling is no more accurate than his crystal ball but it tells me the same thing. I think he wants (or wanted) another shot. He didn't take it for some reason. Loyalty to the Texans organization? The fact that the Bucs job was going from a model franchise back into a dysfunctional one (and he'd just come out of one of those) We'll never know I guess but my gut tells me based on the look on his face when he spoke with reporters after deciding not to take the job that he was wanting another shot at running the show.

The impression I got from Wade's sister was that Wade learned from working with Jerry. It was a nightmare so he has been more selective when it comes to it. I don't know about the Tampa Bay job. We discussed nothing about that one but we did talk quite a bit about Jerry. He has a relative (a cousin or a nephew I don't remember) that is STUCK in Dallas under contract right now... and those are her words. It's just very telling how horrible things were over there. He is definitely looking for another HC job... but the ownership has to be right for him. Tampa Bay obviously wasn't it.

infantrycak
10-03-2012, 04:43 PM
Ok, so my gut feeling is no more accurate than his crystal ball but it tells me the same thing. I think he wants (or wanted) another shot. He didn't take it for some reason. Loyalty to the Texans organization? The fact that the Bucs job was going from a model franchise back into a dysfunctional one (and he'd just come out of one of those) We'll never know I guess but my gut tells me based on the look on his face when he spoke with reporters after deciding not to take the job that he was wanting another shot at running the show.

I don't doubt he would like to have another HC gig but I think he is going to be very picky about it. Usually HC jobs are offered from dysfunctional organizations. Not many people get to walk into a 14-2 team like Norv Turner. I also do think his local ties and his father's opinion will have a factor on making the choice more difficult than ordinary.

Insideop
10-03-2012, 06:11 PM
The impression I got from Wade's sister was that Wade learned from working with Jerry. It was a nightmare so he has been more selective when it comes to it. I don't know about the Tampa Bay job. We discussed nothing about that one but we did talk quite a bit about Jerry. He has a relative (a cousin or a nephew I don't remember) that is STUCK in Dallas under contract right now... and those are her words. It's just very telling how horrible things were over there. He is definitely looking for another HC job... but the ownership has to be right for him. Tampa Bay obviously wasn't it.

Let's just hope, for purely selfish reasons of course, that any team offering him a HC job is not the right fit, and that he retires from the Texans, with multiple :trophy: as their DC! Not too much to ask, is it? :)

dinkatoid
10-03-2012, 06:37 PM
I don't doubt he would like to have another HC gig but I think he is going to be very picky about it. Usually HC jobs are offered from dysfunctional organizations. Not many people get to walk into a 14-2 team like Norv Turner. I also do think his local ties and his father's opinion will have a factor on making the choice more difficult than ordinary.

I agree with this - I think Wade would jump at the right offering, but there are only a few teams that could put him in a good situation. I doubt after Dallas he wants to work with teams like the browns, bucs, or raiders who have a rough history with head coaches. He would probably want a more stable team, even if they didn't have a solid season. There is a reason Fisher chose the Rams over the Dolphins. I think the question is not if wade would take it, but if one of the right organizations would offer it to him.

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2012, 07:49 PM
Let's just hope, for purely selfish reasons of course, that any team offering him a HC job is not the right fit, and that he retires from the Texans, with multiple :trophy: as their DC! Not too much to ask, is it? :)

^^^ This. 100%.

rolyat93
10-03-2012, 08:45 PM
The longer it takes for him to get a job the better.

Really? I mean, I know we root for the Texans and all, but isn't that a little selfish?

Lucky
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
But I don't think Wade is going anywhere. He had a chance to interview for the Bucs and turned it down.
I think Phillips would take the right head coaching job. I just don't think he will get the offer. Age, health, image. Wade doesn't fit the profile. Unless you're talking about defensive results.

I could be wrong, and Phillips could get a head coaching offer after the Texans Super Bowl win. But, I see Wade retiring as a Texan assistant.

TexansFanatic
10-03-2012, 09:47 PM
I see Wade retiring as a Texan assistant.

Unless, God forbid, Kubiak gets hit by a bus.

:kubepalm:

:wadepalm:

Texn4life
10-03-2012, 10:59 PM
Really? I mean, I know we root for the Texans and all, but isn't that a little selfish?

Possibly, but its not like I'm wishing him ill will. Even the players said they were glad he didn't take the interview last year. You're being a little sensitive I believe. I'm just hoping he remains a coach on the Texans staff making millions of dollars. Not too terrible of a way to live I think. He has a lot of things going against him, but I honestly think he could help get a team back on their feet quick if given the chance.

GP
10-03-2012, 11:44 PM
If Bob wants to keep Wade, put a full time department (invent it) to do nothing but make sure Wade Phillips FEELS like a head coach here.

Major ass kissing, in other words. Renovate an area of the coach's offices to create a Wade Phillips wing/complex...massage recliner chair, huge posters of Bum from his old days as coach in Houston, the whole thing like it's Wade's World up in there.

Coordinated efforts to get local media at his doorstep often. Parades. Honor events. Schmooze his azz off.

Make the old man feel like it'd actually be a damn step DOWN to take that lowly job in Loserville USA.

Wade to his agent: "What? I don't want to even consider that job! You told them I would listen? Hell no. I love it here. I have a massage chair!"

For real.

AMartin56
10-04-2012, 03:09 PM
You should just alternate who is head coach each year since Kubiak and Wade both make better coordinators...

HJam72
10-04-2012, 03:13 PM
You should just alternate who is head coache each year since Kubiak and Wade both make better coordinators...

I suspect that all head coaches make better coordinators and that Head Coaches, in a way that will some day be figured out, are actually unnecessary.

76Texan
10-04-2012, 03:45 PM
You should just alternate who is head coache each year since Kubiak and Wade both make better coordinators...

Hey, let's alternate HCs during games like we're doing with the RT and RG positions. :hides:

houstonspartan
10-04-2012, 06:27 PM
I'll worry about Wade's chances of getting another HC gig after the season.

If I was him at this point.... why would I though?

He's the highest paid DC in the league (rightfully so) and has pretty much the same latitude as a HC here.

In Houston he's much more revered than the HC.

I think Him and Kubiak are in position to be in a very good symbiotic relationship and could very well win a championship or two.

Yep. Me and a friend have a theory that Bob McNair had a little private chat with Wade, in which Bob made certain promises should the team tank, and Bob needs to replace the head coach.

I cringe when I think about how much Bob is paying him. Wade is probably getting PAID up the wazoo (fairly, IMO), and likely has a "gentlemen's agreement" for the head coaching job, if that arises.

Wade has more value to this team than Gary. It's a fact.

Double Barrel
10-04-2012, 06:52 PM
I don't doubt he would like to have another HC gig but I think he is going to be very picky about it. Usually HC jobs are offered from dysfunctional organizations. Not many people get to walk into a 14-2 team like Norv Turner. I also do think his local ties and his father's opinion will have a factor on making the choice more difficult than ordinary.

I agree with this take. Most head coaching vacancies are with teams that have hit rock bottom. These teams usually need complete overhaul and must be built from the ground with regards to stocking players and changing losing attitudes.

Not too many openings like Jim Caldwell got with a HoF QB just coming off a Super Bowl win. And I think he was promoted from within anyway.

If the "perfect situation" ever exists for Wade, go for it. But, I think it's a very narrowly defined situation at this point, considering his age and prior record as a HC.

houstonspartan
10-04-2012, 06:57 PM
I agree with this take. Most head coaching vacancies are with teams that have hit rock bottom. These teams usually need complete overhaul and must be built from the ground with regards to stocking players and changing losing attitudes.

Not too many openings like Jim Caldwell got with a HoF QB just coming off a Super Bowl win. And I think he was promoted from within anyway.

If the "perfect situation" ever exists for Wade, go for it. But, I think it's a very narrowly defined situation at this point, considering his age and prior record as a HC.

Well, yes and no. Sometimes, a team can't get over the hump - or are stuck in the middle - and need a coaching change. Chicago comes to mind as a team that, if they don't hit certain goals this year, I could see making a coaching change.

Double Barrel
10-04-2012, 07:14 PM
Well, yes and no. Sometimes, a team can't get over the hump - or are stuck in the middle - and need a coaching change. Chicago comes to mind as a team that, if they don't hit certain goals this year, I could see making a coaching change.

True, but like I mentioned, most teams are in dire straights. Just look at the new head coaches this year alone:

Jeff Fisher, St. Louis Rams
Greg Schiano, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Joe Philbin, Miami Dolphins
Romeo Crennel, Kansas City Chiefs
Chuck Pagano, Indianapolis Colts
Mike Mularkey, Jacksonville Jaguars
Dennis Allen, Oakland Raiders

That's 7 for 7 of teams that were craptacular and in need of much more than just a head coaching change.

You're right, though, in that an existing team with talent could try to make a head coaching change for an attitude adjustment. The question is, then, does Wade strike you as a HC that would do it at this point in time? I can see both sides, but with his age and health questions, it seems like the deck is stacked against him right now.

Lurvinator11
10-04-2012, 07:22 PM
Well, yes and no. Sometimes, a team can't get over the hump - or are stuck in the middle - and need a coaching change. Chicago comes to mind as a team that, if they don't hit certain goals this year, I could see making a coaching change.

That's what happened with Tampa Bay back when they won the super bowl. Same with San Diego after they went 14-2

thunderkyss
10-04-2012, 08:18 PM
I'm calling it now. If we get to the Super Bowl, Wade will be the HC of the Jets in 2013.

I'm betting the F.O. asked Wade to stay, because we have a real opportunity to get to the big dance. Then, he'll be looked at for a much more prestigious gig..... NYJets, NYGiants (Coughlin may elect to retire), Chicago, Philly (he'd love that one I'm sure)

houstonspartan
10-04-2012, 10:17 PM
I'm calling it now. If we get to the Super Bowl, Wade will be the HC of the Jets in 2013.

I'm betting the F.O. asked Wade to stay, because we have a real opportunity to get to the big dance. Then, he'll be looked at for a much more prestigious gig..... NYJets, NYGiants (Coughlin may elect to retire), Chicago, Philly (he'd love that one I'm sure)

The owner of the Jets is way too much of a flake to make this call. Yes, NYC is a major market, but, as I said upthread, Chicago would be a much more appealing job, all things considered.

Chicago, San Diego, Cincinatti and Philadelphia should all be open next year.

Corrosion
10-05-2012, 12:31 AM
as the head coach of the Texans...?

:bender:

Not as long as Kubiak wants the job .... He'd have to retire after a :trophy: to open the door.

Corrosion
10-05-2012, 12:32 AM
Chicago, San Diego, Cincinatti and Philadelphia should all be open next year.

Four playoff teams firing head coaches ?!

houstonspartan
10-05-2012, 06:50 PM
Four playoff teams firing head coaches ?!

Like I said: if some of those teams don't hit their goals, they may decide that a coaching change might get them where they need to go. Philly, in particular, has to win the Super Bowl for Andy Reid to keep his job, in my opinion.

And San Diego has underachieved for the last few years. They definitely need a change.