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Rey
10-03-2012, 09:57 AM
John Beck.

SheTexan
10-03-2012, 10:01 AM
John Beck.

Interesting. I guess they can pick him back up if MS goes down and TJ has to take over. (slapping myself in the head for thinking such things!! :)

Vinnie
10-03-2012, 10:01 AM
Gotta make room for Nolan. I was pondering this to myself and wondered if it might not be Trin. I guess Kube isn't ready to pull the trigger on that one quite yet.

dream_team
10-03-2012, 10:01 AM
Surprise to me!

SheTexan
10-03-2012, 10:03 AM
Gotta make room for Nolan. I was pondering this to myself and wondered if it might not be Trin. I guess Kube isn't ready to pull the trigger on that one quite yet.

Trinton's problem is the entire STs, not just him alone. Can't do it all by himself!

infantrycak
10-03-2012, 10:05 AM
Please make titles complete so they can be searched and people are less likely to create redundant threads.

TexanSam
10-03-2012, 10:08 AM
Gotta make room for Nolan. I was pondering this to myself and wondered if it might not be Trin. I guess Kube isn't ready to pull the trigger on that one quite yet.

I thought Holliday looked pretty good on kickoffs on Sunday. He seemed to be close to breaking off a big return a couple of times.

Vinnie
10-03-2012, 10:15 AM
Trinton's problem is the entire STs, not just him alone. Can't do it all by himself!

True, but if we can get the same production with any schlep back there than that makes him expendable. I'm assuming when Demps is healed they'll let Troy go again and we would be able to pick Trin back up. I don't think his body of work to this point would have teams clamoring to pick him up if he were cut.

beerlover
10-03-2012, 10:17 AM
Beck will be quickly picked up by another team, how about the Jets?

I don't like it, but is what it is. Probably means Kubiak feels good about TJ Yates because he only likes to carry two QB's on roster anyway.

Rey
10-03-2012, 10:18 AM
Trinton's problem is the entire STs, not just him alone. Can't do it all by himself!

I agree with this to a degree...

Trindon has made his fair share of mistakes, but you are right that the lanes haven't been there a lot of the times. He's having people right in his face most times he touches the ball.

Hookem Horns
10-03-2012, 10:21 AM
Making room for Vince!

Señor Stan
10-03-2012, 10:22 AM
Beck will be quickly picked up by another team, how about the Jets?

I don't like it, but is what it is. Probably means Kubiak feels good about TJ Yates because he only likes to carry two QB's on roster anyway.

I think it is much more he feels really good about Schaub's health post lisfranc.

Also Keenum might be making good progress on the practice squad.

disaacks3
10-03-2012, 10:28 AM
Making room for Vince!

*BARF* :kubepalm::wadepalm:

SheTexan
10-03-2012, 10:38 AM
Making room for Vince!

:stirpot:

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2012, 10:40 AM
I didn't expect this move after what happened last season.

But.

OK.

We must feel like we've got adequate depth at QB. Like Senor Stan said, Keenum must be making progress on the PS.

Señor Stan
10-03-2012, 10:43 AM
Making room for Vince!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g67/senorstan/IranPalm.png

ChampionTexan
10-03-2012, 10:44 AM
Beck will be quickly picked up by another team, how about the Jets?

I don't like it, but is what it is. Probably means Kubiak feels good about TJ Yates because he only likes to carry two QB's on roster anyway.

Beck wasn't my first (or even second) guess as to who would be released to make room for Nolan, but I still believe if we want him back sometime later this season, he'll be available.

Hervoyel
10-03-2012, 10:57 AM
Making room for Vince!


I know I'm over the Vince Young fan-wars because this made me laugh out loud. I can laugh about Vince Young finally. A corner has been turned.

:bender:

CloakNNNdagger
10-03-2012, 11:01 AM
Beck wasn't my first (or even second) guess as to who would be released to make room for Nolan, but I still believe if we want him back sometime later this season, he'll be available.

And very much more likely to be available than Holliday if he were released.

Errant Hothy
10-03-2012, 11:08 AM
Trinton's problem is the entire STs, not just him alone. Can't do it all by himself!

To an extent yes, but some of Trin's decision making faults have been his and his alone.

Corrosion
10-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Beck wasn't my first (or even second) guess as to who would be released to make room for Nolan, but I still believe if we want him back sometime later this season, he'll be available.

And very much more likely to be available than Holliday if he were released.



If Holliday got cut , he's be picked up instantly.

Dont think it'll be Beck ... but he'd be my second option.




Beck was my second choice behind Gardner .... The options were really limited. Tricycle woulda been gone in an instant.

Doppelganger
10-03-2012, 12:44 PM
Beck will be quickly picked up by another team, how about the Jets?

I don't like it, but is what it is. Probably means Kubiak feels good about TJ Yates because he only likes to carry two QB's on roster anyway.

Probably also means he feels good about the progress of Case Keenum.

Rey
10-03-2012, 12:48 PM
Beck was not active and probably won't be picked up by any other team unless they have injuries at the QB position. And even then he still might not get picked up.

Beck was probably deemed the most expendable player.

I don't think this says much about Keenum because if TJ Yates get's injured I think they'd pick Beck back up rather than bring Keenum up from the PS.

BlueSteel
10-03-2012, 12:54 PM
I know I'm over the Vince Young fan-wars because this made me laugh out loud. I can laugh about Vince Young finally. A corner has been turned.

:bender:

I still rolled my eyes. I hope to be able to laugh soon too!

On the other hand I am constantly laughing at the Cowboy drama that has been unfolding. ;)

Brisco_County
10-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Per McClain:

The Texans have waived quarterback John Beck to make room for safety Troy Nolan.

Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/10/texans-waive-quarterback-john-beck/)

So who will be the designated 3rd string? James Casey?

jaayteetx
10-03-2012, 01:46 PM
Old news, already a thread for that.

Dutchrudder
10-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Already a thread on this, but this is the correct title. Gotta be more descriptive around here people. When it comes to naming threads remember KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid.

HOU-TEX
10-03-2012, 02:17 PM
I think he'll be back. Once Demps is healthy Nolan will be cut and Beck brought back

TheIronDuke
10-03-2012, 02:22 PM
Texans Cut...Beck is descriptive enough for me.

TheIronDuke
10-03-2012, 02:25 PM
Beck was my second choice behind Gardner .... The options were really limited. Tricycle woulda been gone in an instant.

Keo was my first in line, then Holliday.

Dutchrudder
10-03-2012, 02:27 PM
Texans Cut...Beck is descriptive enough for me.

The title was "Texans cut..."

Guess the mods fixed it.

Rey
10-03-2012, 02:29 PM
The title was "Texans cut..."

Guess the mods fixed it.

Yeah...they fixed it like 2 mins after I made it...

Lurvinator11
10-03-2012, 02:30 PM
This is an if, and a big IF, but we COULD release Beck.

Since he is third string, and it wouldn't disrupt the main scheme of things.

I guess we will see.




I called this in another thread as well!

Winning Streak!!!!

Texanmike02
10-03-2012, 02:43 PM
Per McClain:



Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/10/texans-waive-quarterback-john-beck/)

So who will be the designated 3rd string? James Casey?

I think OD was at one point our emergency QB no?

Mike

ChampionTexan
10-03-2012, 02:45 PM
Per McClain:



Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/10/texans-waive-quarterback-john-beck/)

So who will be the designated 3rd string? James Casey?

Most likely nobody, as it doesn't work that way anymore. Starting in 2011, they added an extra spot to the number of players you could activate on gameday, and got rid of the third QB designation.

NCTexan
10-03-2012, 02:46 PM
I think OD was at one point our emergency QB no?

Mike

He was last year at one point. My guess is should this happen (please, no!) he'd be it for the game.

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2012, 02:55 PM
I think OD was at one point our emergency QB no?

Yep. He's been our emergency QB for a while now.

But I think we should go with Cushing. He's assured Matt that he can run the wildcat like a mugg.

And I trust him.

Corrosion
10-03-2012, 03:02 PM
Dont care to start a new thread to discuss a possible future cut , maybe someone else can / will.

I heard earlier and have had another report that Sharpton is getting close to returning ... If he's brought back , who do you think he replaces.
The talking heads are saying Tricycle , I seriously doubt that. I think it comes down to Gardner and Mister Alexander.

TheIronDuke
10-03-2012, 03:06 PM
Dont care to start a new thread to discuss a possible future cut , maybe someone else can / will.

I heard earlier and have had another report that Sharpton is getting close to returning ... If he's brought back , who do you think he replaces.
The talking heads are saying Tricycle , I seriously doubt that. I think it comes down to Gardner and Mister Alexander.

Sharpton's on the IR/PUP list isn't he?

Corrosion
10-03-2012, 03:08 PM
Sharpton's on the IR/PUP list isn't he?

Reserve / PUP .

gary
10-03-2012, 03:17 PM
I don't like this.

Malloy
10-03-2012, 03:21 PM
Please make titles complete so they can be searched and people are less likely to create redundant threads.

At the cost of suspense?!?! :)

Corrosion
10-03-2012, 03:25 PM
I don't like this.

Why not ? Who contributes less on game day than a 3rd string QB ??

(Cant really say that during the week as he may be (most likely is) the scout team QB .... Unless you are playing Tebow.)

gary
10-03-2012, 03:34 PM
Yates has not played as well.

Brisco_County
10-03-2012, 03:51 PM
Old news, already a thread for that.

I was afraid of that. I scanned the thread titles, but I guess my eyes aren't what they used to be at the ripe old age of 35.

Yates has not played as well.

Nope. That's my concern too.

TheIronDuke
10-03-2012, 03:55 PM
Yates has not played as well.

He's handed the ball off once this season.

HollaIFyaHEMI
10-03-2012, 03:55 PM
And very much more likely to be available than Holliday if he were released.

Holliday would be snatched up like a hot cake. Anyone who thinks he wouldn't, or that we should even cut him in the first place, knows nothing about football.

gary
10-03-2012, 03:59 PM
He's handed the ball off once this season.Preseason either.

TheIronDuke
10-03-2012, 04:08 PM
I'll take TJ over Beck every time.

TexanSam
10-03-2012, 04:19 PM
Yates has not played as well.

Neither has Beck ever...in the regular season

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2012, 04:55 PM
Holliday would be snatched up like a hot cake. Anyone who thinks he wouldn't, or that we should even cut him in the first place, knows nothing about football.

And the problem with that is...?

If we're ranked 30th in yards per kickoff return and 17th in yards per punt return, what good is our return specialist?

I would love for Trindon to start breaking some returns. That would make us even more dangerous. But so far, he's looking like a pre-season wonder. Every spot on the 53 is important and if he's not giving us anything, we could use his spot for more depth somewhere else.

Rey
10-03-2012, 05:04 PM
And the problem with that is...?

If we're ranked 30th in yards per kickoff return and 17th in yards per punt return, what good is our return specialist?

I would love for Trindon to start breaking some returns. That would make us even more dangerous. But so far, he's looking like a pre-season wonder. Every spot on the 53 is important and if he's not giving us anything, we could use his spot for more depth somewhere else.

That's like saying since our running game hasn't quite clicked yet we should find better RB's.

It's not all on Trindon. He's made his fair share of mistakes, but I've noticed a lot of times he has a bunch of guys right in his. And he's made guys miss, but multiple guys?

Give him a good lane and he'll get a good return.

Now his decision making on punts is something totally different. I think if the coaches felt like Trindon was all of a sudden not running like he should be then he'd have been gone. But I don't think that's the case.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-03-2012, 05:05 PM
True, but if we can get the same production with any schlep back there than that makes him expendable. I'm assuming when Demps is healed they'll let Troy go again and we would be able to pick Trin back up. I don't think his body of work to this point would have teams clamoring to pick him up if he were cut.

Why? Demps is not on IR. why do we need cut someone when Demps returns?

Go Texans!!!

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2012, 05:07 PM
That's like saying since our running game hasn't quite clicked yet we should find better RB's.

It's not all on Trindon. He's made his fair share of mistakes, but I've noticed a lot of times he has a bunch of guys right in his. And he's made guys miss, but multiple guys?

Give him a good lane and he'll get a good return.

Now his decision making on punts is something totally different. I think if the coaches felt like Trindon was all of a sudden not running like he should be then he'd have been gone. But I don't think that's the case.

He's a specialist. There are other guys on this team who could give us the production we've gotten out of him so far. And maybe more.

If he doesn't start producing, why keep him?

Marcus
10-03-2012, 05:38 PM
Trindon Holliday made the team when he ran back 3 TDs in the preseason. So now, since he hasn't run one back after only 4 games in the regular season, you want to give up on him????

Good thing none of you actually make any of the team's decisions. Else you'd most likely would have cut KJax after his rookie year.:rolleyes:

Rey
10-03-2012, 05:44 PM
He's a specialist. There are other guys on this team who could give us the production we've gotten out of him so far. And maybe more.

If he doesn't start producing, why keep him?



Ben Tate could have probably done what Arian has done so far this season if he was given those same touches, but Arian has shown that he is capable of doing things that Tate can't, even though he hasn't really done it yet this year...

Just because you have guys that could do what another guy has done so far doesn't mean you should replace said player. Merciless could have given us the production Connor Barwin has given us so far...Do you think he should be replaced right now?

LikeMike
10-03-2012, 05:50 PM
And the thing is: we have the luxury to keep a specialist. Our first and second teamers are so good, that we don't absolutely need that spot for somebody else.

Holliday has the ability to be special. He just needs to get his nerves in check and get the right running lane. He can be a different maker for us - and he keeps our starters (Manning) from being injured on returns.

On a stacked team like ours Holliday is well worth a roster spot...

HollaIFyaHEMI
10-03-2012, 05:57 PM
That's like saying since our running game hasn't quite clicked yet we should find better RB's.

It's not all on Trindon. He's made his fair share of mistakes, but I've noticed a lot of times he has a bunch of guys right in his. And he's made guys miss, but multiple guys?

Give him a good lane and he'll get a good return.

Now his decision making on punts is something totally different. I think if the coaches felt like Trindon was all of a sudden not running like he should be then he'd have been gone. But I don't think that's the case.

This guy knows what he is talking about.

Now to the other debate. I think John Beck is a better QB than TJ Yates. I wish TJ hadn't gotten the chance to finish off last season because he is a waste of a roster spot. John Beck would give us a chance against elite defenses, and he is perfect for the bootleg. TJ Yates is good for nothing but checkdowns and INTs.

redwhiteANDblue
10-03-2012, 06:00 PM
This guy knows what he is talking about.

Now to the other debate. I think John Beck is a better QB than TJ Yates. I wish TJ hadn't gotten the chance to finish off last season because he is a waste of a roster spot. John Beck would give us a chance against elite defenses, and he is perfect for the bootleg. TJ Yates is good for nothing but checkdowns and INTs.

It was TJ's first year man. On top of it he was a 5th round project. Nobody expected him to do great. He did well with the chance he got. I expect him to get better over the years.

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2012, 07:42 PM
Ben Tate could have probably done what Arian has done so far this season if he was given those same touches, but Arian has shown that he is capable of doing things that Tate can't, even though he hasn't really done it yet this year...

Just because you have guys that could do what another guy has done so far doesn't mean you should replace said player. Merciless could have given us the production Connor Barwin has given us so far...Do you think he should be replaced right now?

First, I don't think that Mercilus can give us or do what Connor Barwin has. I don't think Ben Tate is as good as Arian Foster. If they were better, then I'd want them playing instead of those guys.

I think Danieal Manning is a better kick returner than Trindon Holliday. I think Justin Forsett is a better kick returner than Trindon Holliday. I think Shiloh Keo could give us what Trindon Holliday has given us AND allow us to keep another player on the 53 who could help us depth and development wise.

Comparing Trindon -- a guy who has done absolutely zilch in the regular season so far -- to Arian Foster, Ben Tate, or Connor Barwin is kinda ridiculous. That's like comparing Alan Ball to Johnathon Joseph.

I think Trindon's preseason production has you guys mesmerized.

Marcus
10-03-2012, 08:05 PM
He doesn't have us mesmerized. He simply showed what he's capable of. That's why he made the team. Why do you want to cut bait on him so fast?

EllisUnit
10-03-2012, 08:20 PM
This guy knows what he is talking about.

Now to the other debate. I think John Beck is a better QB than TJ Yates. I wish TJ hadn't gotten the chance to finish off last season because he is a waste of a roster spot. John Beck would give us a chance against elite defenses, and he is perfect for the bootleg. TJ Yates is good for nothing but checkdowns and INTs.

Hmmmm not sure if this is serious or not :kubepalm:

Rey
10-03-2012, 10:31 PM
I think Trindon's preseason production has you guys mesmerized.

You can call it what you want to call it, but I'll just say you're wrong here. Makes 0 sense to cut trindon at this point.

Not gonna respond to the rest of the post and I'll leave it at that.

GP
10-04-2012, 12:12 AM
Merciless will benefit from not being pressured into having to be as dominant "right out of the gate" as Texans rookie 1st rounders had traditionally been forced into.

Tate? I think he's nearing the stage in his development that he could challenge Foster as #1. Why? Foster's new diet is killing his Sundays. Period. Nobody has yet to respond to my comments on it and that's because they know it's true. It was a neat theory--Can a dominating NFL RB like Foster go all plant-based and still dominate? Nope.

Tate is no slouch. Foster needs to scale back and try vegan every other day and normal every other day. Give us your absolute best even if it means shelving a personal agenda.

Barwin needs to finish the year out, let's see him in a full 16+ games. If Foster falls off any more than he is already, give Tate more snaps.

Holiday? I don't like him on the 53, I understand "why" though, and yet I also want him playing out the full season. In playoffs? Manning or Forsett on returns, no ifs ands or buts...but Kubiak won't do that (see: Jacoby playing return man the ENTIRE Ravens playoff game last year).

Marcus
10-04-2012, 12:46 AM
Foster's new diet is killing his Sundays. Period. Nobody has yet to respond to my comments on it and that's because they know it's true.

Or rather, your comments on it are so ridiculously absurd, nobody feels like dignifying them with a response.

Uh .. Yeah. I think that's it. :rolleyes:

(Would you PLEASE stop pulling sh!t out of your ass?)

76Texan
10-04-2012, 12:52 AM
Tate? I think he's nearing the stage in his development that he could challenge Foster as #1. Why? Foster's new diet is killing his Sundays. Period. Nobody has yet to respond to my comments on it and that's because they know it's true. It was a neat theory--Can a dominating NFL RB like Foster go all plant-based and still dominate? Nope.

Tate is no slouch. Foster needs to scale back and try vegan every other day and normal every other day. Give us your absolute best even if it means shelving a personal agenda.

Foster averages 3.7 ypc on 103 carries.

Tate averages 3.9 ypc on 30 carries,.

In short yardage situation (3rd or 4th and 2 or less and goal line situation), Foster was used 19 times, Tate 4.

We know that in these situations, quite often, it's more difficult to gain much yardage since the defense stacks the line.

Corrosion
10-04-2012, 01:30 AM
And the problem with that is...?

If we're ranked 30th in yards per kickoff return and 17th in yards per punt return, what good is our return specialist?



You and I generally agree on football related stuff .... but I gotta chime in here:


What value does Tricycle have if we are ranked X .... Shielding Manning from those duties. That safety tandem .... Just aint replacable.


Tricycle might not be near the top of the league right now ..... but he's a big play waiting to happen .... all while keeping starters out of harms way.


Are we really 30th in YP KO return as of today ?! ..... Care to make a friendly wager of a few beers that we move into no lower than the top 20 by seasons end ?!

76Texan
10-04-2012, 01:31 AM
Some NFL players that are vegans include G Deuce Lutui (Seahawks), FB Tony Fiammetta (Pats), RB Ricky Williams (formerly with the Dolphins).

Robert Parish, Boston Celtics Center has been a vegan for a long time; so are HOF Bill Walton (a real banger at Center) and PFW John Salley.

Baseball great Hank Aaron was a vegan. I think he had 755 career home runs.

Former QB Joe Namath was a vegan.
Once he was asked the question and provided the following answer:
“I have been a vegetarian for a few years. Fred Dryer (DE) of the Rams has been one for ten years. It shows you don’t need meat to play football.”

Martial art legend Bruce Lee was a vegan; so is Chuck Norris.

Some light are shed here for those who might be interested:
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=251

kiwitexansfan
10-04-2012, 02:54 AM
Billion dollar football business would make sure all the dietary requirements were met vegetarian or not.

ObsiWan
10-04-2012, 04:29 AM
Merciless will benefit from not being pressured into having to be as dominant "right out of the gate" as Texans rookie 1st rounders had traditionally been forced into.

Tate? I think he's nearing the stage in his development that he could challenge Foster as #1. Why? Foster's new diet is killing his Sundays. Period. Nobody has yet to respond to my comments on it and that's because they know it's true. It was a neat theory--Can a dominating NFL RB like Foster go all plant-based and still dominate? Nope.

Tate is no slouch. Foster needs to scale back and try vegan every other day and normal every other day. Give us your absolute best even if it means shelving a personal agenda.

Barwin needs to finish the year out, let's see him in a full 16+ games. If Foster falls off any more than he is already, give Tate more snaps.

Holiday? I don't like him on the 53, I understand "why" though, and yet I also want him playing out the full season. In playoffs? Manning or Forsett on returns, no ifs ands or buts...but Kubiak won't do that (see: Jacoby playing return man the ENTIRE Ravens playoff game last year).

I thought this had been put to bed by TPN and other guys who ARE vegan in other threads (and no, I ain't gonna look them up EDIT: Okay I DID go look some up; they're mostly in the Arian turns Vegan thread). I'm pretty sure they said that one can get plenty of good protein from plant-based sources. I believe others chimed in with examples of other successful athletes that were various levels of vegetarian/vegan. Then Doc said this...

A diet high in animal protein is known to be harmful (many would say disastrous) to our health, while a plant-based (vegan) diet prevents disease and is restorative to our health. This is re-inforced with a myriad of peer-reviewed scientific medical studies/trials. Even the very conservative ADA (American Dietetic Association) released a Position Satement :

Quote:
Vegetarian diets are often associated with a number of health advantages, including lower blood cholesterol levels, lower risk of heart disease, lower blood pressure levels, and lower risk of hypertension and type 2 diabetes. Vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index (BMI) and lower overall cancer rates.
[Full Position Paper-http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-aru070109.php (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-07/ada-aru070109.php)]

No one is trying to force anyone into a specific type of diet.....just presenting such with well-known and scientifically established benefits.
I sincerely invite you or anyone else to enjoy your steaks, but please don’t make outlandish statements against those that have chosen, for whatever reasons, to incorporate some very simple, well-established healthful principles.

That was good enough for me. You must be ignoring the responses that disspell this anti-vegan assertion. I KNOW they are out there.

Vinnie
10-04-2012, 10:02 AM
Why? Demps is not on IR. why do we need cut someone when Demps returns?

Go Texans!!!

I was just going on the assumption Koob would want his third string QB back on the roster.

To all yall thinking Trin would be snatched up by some team, seriously? Homey spent the entire season on special teams last year and guess where he went? No where. Preseason mesmerization to be sure.

HOU-TEX
10-04-2012, 10:05 AM
You and I generally agree on football related stuff .... but I gotta chime in here:


What value does Tricycle have if we are ranked X .... Shielding Manning from those duties. That safety tandem .... Just aint replacable.


Tricycle might not be near the top of the league right now ..... but he's a big play waiting to happen .... all while keeping starters out of harms way.


Are we really 30th in YP KO return as of today ?! ..... Care to make a friendly wager of a few beers that we move into no lower than the top 20 by seasons end ?!

You wouldn't want to give K-Mart a shot? He looked comfortable returning for MSU. I like Trindon and truly hope he eventually breaks out. It just bugs me using a roster spot for a one trick pony. Heck, it took me a while to get used to having a LS taking a spot.

Side note: At least Weeks ain't scared to do work on ST coverage. I've seen ya Weeks

buddyboy
10-04-2012, 10:11 AM
Foster averages 3.7 ypc on 103 carries.

Tate averages 3.9 ypc on 30 carries,.

In short yardage situation (3rd or 4th and 2 or less and goal line situation), Foster was used 19 times, Tate 4.

We know that in these situations, quite often, it's more difficult to gain much yardage since the defense stacks the line.

This stat is telling. Both of our backs have dropped in production this year, most likely due to either defenses keying in on it (allowing our air attack to flourish in the first 4 games) or because our two new starters still need time to either develop or gel with the rest of the line.

It's strange to take the two changes: change in offensive line and change in Arian's diet, along with the statistical evidence of the ENTIRE running attack struggling, and point to Arian's diet as the reason.

Ryan
10-04-2012, 10:27 AM
We're not being creative with our running plays at all. It seems like we're running 95% stretch plays and the other 5% is a power run on 3rd down and 1. I want to see more pitches, draws, counters, something. Our running game hasn't looked this bad since 2009 and you can't use the same recipes you used when you had road graders like Winston and Brisiel.

infantrycak
10-04-2012, 10:38 AM
Tate? I think he's nearing the stage in his development that he could challenge Foster as #1. Why? Foster's new diet is killing his Sundays. Period. Nobody has yet to respond to my comments on it and that's because they know it's true. It was a neat theory--Can a dominating NFL RB like Foster go all plant-based and still dominate? Nope.

Well first off it is because your theory is absurd. Then there is the fact you have no knowledge on the subject and very knowledgeable people such have CnD have previously explained your position is wrong. So don't bother with the "nobody is responding to me, whoohoo I win" proclamations.

beerlover
10-04-2012, 11:03 AM
Was just checking out transaction wire to see if Beck had been signed by another team & noticed Patriots have cut Thomas Austin (C) practice squad. Might Texans bring him back? Since he is technically a free agent couldn't they place him on our practice squad without using a roster spot?

Practice Squad

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE
72 Hunter, David NT 6-2 303 23 R Houston
64 Johnson, Delano OLB 6-4 280 24 R Bowie State
7 Keenum, Case QB 6-1 209 24 R Houston
15 Maehl, Jeff WR 6-0 185 23 1 Oregon
30 Meggett, Davin RB 5-8 215 22 R Maryland
35 Pleasant, Eddie SS 5-10 210 23 R Oregon
48 Supernaw, Phillip TE 6-5 250 22 R Ouachita Baptist
67 White, Cody G 6-3 301 24 R Illinois State

The Pencil Neck
10-04-2012, 11:44 AM
Some NFL players that are vegans include G Deuce Lutui (Seahawks), FB Tony Fiammetta (Pats), RB Ricky Williams (formerly with the Dolphins).

Robert Parish, Boston Celtics Center has been a vegan for a long time; so are HOF Bill Walton (a real banger at Center) and PFW John Salley.

Baseball great Hank Aaron was a vegan. I think he had 755 career home runs.

Former QB Joe Namath was a vegan.
Once he was asked the question and provided the following answer:
“I have been a vegetarian for a few years. Fred Dryer (DE) of the Rams has been one for ten years. It shows you don’t need meat to play football.”

Martial art legend Bruce Lee was a vegan; so is Chuck Norris.

Some light are shed here for those who might be interested:
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=251

Vegan and vegetarian are not the same thing. Not even from the diet standpoint. Veganism is much more intense -- no dairy, no honey, etc., etc.

Sometimes people use the term "vegetarian" to really mean just not eating beef -- which is wrong. So you get people who are ovo-lacto vegetarians (who eat eggs and dairy products), etc. But Veganism is a stand against animals being used for any sort of production of anything. My Vegan bodybuilder friend puts it like this: nothing with a face or that came from something with a face. So things like white Flour that use bits of animal bone in the bleaching process can't be eaten. All dairy is out. Honey is out because the bees are being exploited.

A great example of a Vegetarian with some muscle is Bill Pearl. He is not, however, a Vegan to the best of my knowledge. I doubt Joe Namath and Dwyer, etc., are Vegans. I think they're just vegetarians. Which has a lot more leeway.

The Pencil Neck
10-04-2012, 11:49 AM
You and I generally agree on football related stuff .... but I gotta chime in here:


What value does Tricycle have if we are ranked X .... Shielding Manning from those duties. That safety tandem .... Just aint replacable.


Tricycle might not be near the top of the league right now ..... but he's a big play waiting to happen .... all while keeping starters out of harms way.


Are we really 30th in YP KO return as of today ?! ..... Care to make a friendly wager of a few beers that we move into no lower than the top 20 by seasons end ?!

While Manning is probably the best option for kickoff returns, what about Forsett? Even KEO could have us at #30 overall in kickoff returns.

I hope that Holliday does find a way to make it happen. I'm just saying that I've seen none of that greatness when the real bullets are flying. We need to get more production out of our return game and if our specialist isn't doing it, stick someone else back there.

And I don't bet. :)

speedfreek
10-04-2012, 12:10 PM
The world needs more vegans!

(leaves more of the good stuff for me.. BBQ, bacon, etc. etc.)

TJ

CloakNNNdagger
10-04-2012, 12:14 PM
Vegan and vegetarian are not the same thing. Not even from the diet standpoint. Veganism is much more intense -- no dairy, no honey, etc., etc.

Sometimes people use the term "vegetarian" to really mean just not eating beef -- which is wrong. So you get people who are ovo-lacto vegetarians (who eat eggs and dairy products), etc. But Veganism is a stand against animals being used for any sort of production of anything. My Vegan bodybuilder friend puts it like this: nothing with a face or that came from something with a face. So things like white Flour that use bits of animal bone in the bleaching process can't be eaten. All dairy is out. Honey is out because the bees are being exploited.

A great example of a Vegetarian with some muscle is Bill Pearl. He is not, however, a Vegan to the best of my knowledge. I doubt Joe Namath and Dwyer, etc., are Vegans. I think they're just vegetarians. Which has a lot more leeway.

Namath, Dryer, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris.......all vegetarian. However, an example of a true vegan is Jon Fitch, who at age 34 at is the #5 MMA welterweight competitor in the world, with only 4 losses to his name. In an episode of Myth Busters which some of you may have caught, the team wanted to test whether a person could punch their way out of a coffin. For his part, Fitch laid on his back and punched up into a sensor. With only 3 inches of before contact, sensors measured Fitch’s punch at 1,450 pounds of force. In other words, it would be preferable to get hit in the face with a sledgehammer which would generate 1000 pounds of force.

76Texan
10-04-2012, 02:17 PM
Namath, Dryer, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris.......all vegetarian. However, an example of a true vegan is Jon Fitch, who at age 34 at is the #5 MMA welterweight competitor in the world, with only 4 losses to his name. In an episode of Myth Busters which some of you may have caught, the team wanted to test whether a person could punch their way out of a coffin. For his part, Fitch laid on his back and punched up into a sensor. With only 3 inches of before contact, sensors measured Fitch’s punch at 1,450 pounds of force. In other words, it would be preferable to get hit in the face with a sledgehammer which would generate 1000 pounds of force.

http://www.greatveganathletes.com/node?page=5

From this, we can see that FB Fiametta and basketball player John Salley are confirmed as Vegans.

There are several big men on that list, including several power lifters, a couple of wrestlers, a MMA fighter, and Germany's strongest man Patrik Baboumian.

http://www.greatveganathletes.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/field/image/Patrik%20Baboumian.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
10-04-2012, 02:23 PM
http://www.greatveganathletes.com/node?page=5

From this, we can see that FB Fiametta and basketball player John Salley are confirmed as Vegans.

There are several big men on that list, including several power lifters, a couple of wrestlers, a MMA fighter, and Germany's strongest man Patrik Baboumian.

http://www.greatveganathletes.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/field/image/Patrik%20Baboumian.jpg

You don't need to convince me. I've seen many vegan athletes excel to high levels. As I've stated in the past, athletes like Arian can do very well, paying attention to some very basic principles. My post on Namath et al. was more for accuracy.

The Pencil Neck
10-04-2012, 02:36 PM
You don't need to convince me. I've seen many vegan athletes excel to high levels. As I've stated in the past, athletes like Arian can do very well, paying attention to some very basic principles. My post on Namath et al. was more for accuracy.

Exactly why I brought up the distinction.

Lots of people confuse the two or at least, think they're the same thing.

76Texan
10-04-2012, 02:44 PM
This stat is telling. Both of our backs have dropped in production this year, most likely due to either defenses keying in on it (allowing our air attack to flourish in the first 4 games) or because our two new starters still need time to either develop or gel with the rest of the line.

It's strange to take the two changes: change in offensive line and change in Arian's diet, along with the statistical evidence of the ENTIRE running attack struggling, and point to Arian's diet as the reason.

We're not being creative with our running plays at all. It seems like we're running 95% stretch plays and the other 5% is a power run on 3rd down and 1. I want to see more pitches, draws, counters, something. Our running game hasn't looked this bad since 2009 and you can't use the same recipes you used when you had road graders like Winston and Brisiel.
It looks like a combination of all these thiings, except for the concern about Caldwell, Jones, or Newton.

I have watched each play very closely (with the help of the endzone view from the coach tapes - through NFL Game Rewind), and there were more poor plays to the left side (plays that resulted in a loss of yardage or no to little gain).

Overall, all the guys had their share of subpar plays (all the O-linemen, and also Casey at FB.)
OD and Graham, on the other hand, performed quite well.
From what I can gather, Wade Smith probably allowed the most penetration (but he's been good on pass blocking.)
The combination of Caldwell and Jones might exceed that, but did not result in more "poor" plays.

On top of that, neither Foster nor Tate had exploded for a long one yet.

Last year, Foster had run of 43, 42, 30, 28, 27 and 22 (in the regular season)
This year, his longest was 22.

The same goes to Tate.

Another 20 yards would have brought Foster's average from 3.7 up to 3.9

76Texan
10-04-2012, 02:47 PM
You don't need to convince me. I've seen many vegan athletes excel to high levels. As I've stated in the past, athletes like Arian can do very well, paying attention to some very basic principles. My post on Namath et al. was more for accuracy.

Oh no, I was not trying to convince you, Doc.
You know more about these things than most of us.
I was using your post as complimentary (and vice versa). :handshake: